Re: Still not fixed ipup problem.
Okay, I've been having this exact same problem the last week or two and have had to resort to manually bringing up eth0 with dhclient. the auto ifup always assigns me that bogus 169.254.x.x address too ... very annoying. What I think this is related to though for me is a recent aborted install of vmware, in which some sort of virtual bridge was setup to co-exist on eth0. I'm not familiar enough with how vmware sets up its virtual ip's to know how to prevent this from happening. I've removed the vmware modules, and all the vmware configuration files (that i'm aware of) and all instances of vmnet existing in udev entries so I'm not sure how/why it's weirding out on me still. I'm surprised to find someone with the exact same problem. On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Alan Chandler delivered in simple text monotone: > I am still finding that ipup is failing to bring up my ethernet interface > with > the correct ip address. Its still the same problem I raised approx a month > ago. > > Effectively I get two RTNETLINK answers failures during > the /etc/init.d/networking start sequence as shown from /var/log/boot snippet > below. > > Mon Jul 4 19:36:54 2005: Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. > Mon Jul 4 19:36:54 2005: Configuring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: > Cannot assign requested address > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet > Software Consortium. > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: All rights reserved. > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: Please contribute if you find this software useful. > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: For info, please visit > http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html > Mon Jul 4 19:36:55 2005: > Mon Jul 4 19:36:56 2005: Listening on LPF/eth0/00:50:da:cf:a5:06 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:56 2005: Sending on LPF/eth0/00:50:da:cf:a5:06 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:56 2005: Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net > Mon Jul 4 19:36:56 2005: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > interval 3 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:56 2005: DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.20 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:58 2005: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:58 2005: DHCPACK from 192.168.0.20 > Mon Jul 4 19:36:58 2005: bound to 192.168.0.21 -- renewal in 10800 seconds. > Mon Jul 4 19:37:00 2005: RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address > > I can't find any explanation of what these RTNETLINK messages are, and in > what > circumstances they appear. All that happens is the my ipaddress is not set > to that offered by the dhcp server. > > Anybody any ideas of where to look for a solution? > > > -- > Alan Chandler > http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <---Snip---> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: device problem
Hi, Thanks for the reference to udev. I have managed to get hold of a web doc titled "Writing udev rules" and started grappling with writing rules. The first wall I encounter is that the default rule file mentioned in the doc is not even in my dirs. Is there a write-up more suitable for Debian? No doubt udev provides a more flexible way of managing devices but having to use it in command-line mode is very not user-friendly. Is there a GUI front for it? Ken __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AWStats browser.pm issue
Just installed this on Sarge, using Debian package. On running I'm presented with the following error; Error: Not same number of records of BrowsersSearchIDOrder (96 entries) and BrowsersHashIDLib (95 entries without msie,netscape,firefox) in Browsers database. May be you updated AWStats without updating browsers.pm file or you made changed into browsers.pm not correctly. Check your file /usr/lib/cgi-bin/lib/browsers.pm is up to date I Google'd on that error, and what I could find from the official website is that one should check that there is only one browser.pm, yada yada, and that one should upgrade to the latest version. Well I'm running Sarge, and it doesn't have any later version. So, I guess what I'm asking is -- Has anyone else had this problem in Sarge, and how did they fix it ? FWIW, the application runs fine without this file, but without browser stats. 8( -- Steve A. --- Friday Jul 08 2005 01:20:02 EDT --- The last person that quit or was fired will be held responsible for everything that goes wrong -- until the next person quits or is fired. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: external USB acomdata drive
Quoting Pete Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:38:55PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 08:52:59AM -0700, Pete Hicks wrote: > > > > > However, when I try and mount the drive, I can an error > > > saying wrong fstype: > > > > > > % sudo mount -t vfat /dev/uba /mnt/extdrive > > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on > > > /dev/uba, missing codepage or other error (could this be > > > the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 > > > or sda or so is needed?) In some cases useful info is > > > found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so > > > > Did you try either of the things mount suggested (mounting > > /dev/sda or looking at dmesg)? > > I did. The message that dmesg produces is that there is no > filesystem (at work ATM, so I don't have my laptop, and don't > remember the message verbatim). Since I am using UDEV, I > created /dev/sda1 with mknod, and that did not work. I suspect > this is because ide-scsi used to handle scsi emulation, and > that is not really what I am looking to achive. > > I was thinking about trying to reformat the drive using parted > or windows (gasp), but winxp does not format fat32, and parted > was giving me a dire warning, so I held off there. I might go > ahead and risk it if I run out of options. Just a few thoughts: Did you try "mount /dev/uba1"? What does "ls /dev/uba*" say? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen R Laniel's comments on Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting were as follows: # I've had similar ideas recently about using XML for conf # files in /etc, but that would take a bit of elaboration. # I'll save that for another time. Wow! A good idea, but a lot of sysadmins wouldn't go for it. To some, XML is nice, bit they prefer key=value conf files. They are easier for a hand-coding sysadmin like myself to write, but even I as a hand-coder could go for the XML approach. # # # Some stuff # # # # Some stuff from another message # # # # Some stuff that I wrote about: # # # Some tripe # # This is why it's called "extensible markup language". We could all be doing things with email that until today no one even thought possible. But since there is currently no XML standard, a few like-minded people like us will have to draft it, or else we will have to watch someone else do it, like MS, who is now using XML for all their office document formats. Good for them for once. ;-) Lorenzo - -- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:+ a- C+++ UL P+ L+++ E- W++ N o K- w--- O M V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+ X+ R tv-- b++ DI-- D+ G e* h r+++ y+++ - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCzg+MG9IpekrhBfIRAg3aAJ9IN8wRftICF3H76jg/qbmkw42YCQCePOnc LCS7uioP0RLKRSxNGisaDro= =4emJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what to do if package can not be removed?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Hi list!
I have a strange behaviour with openvpn.
I wanted to upgrade from 1.6.0 to 2.0 by typing apt-get install
openvpn after inserting the sarge entries in my sources.list.
But it stopped with some strange error-codes like 143
So I tried to remove it by typing apt-get remove openvpn.
devastator:/# apt-get remove openvpn
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
openvpn
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
1 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 467kB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
dpkg: error processing openvpn (--remove):
Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
reinstall it before attempting a removal.
Errors were encountered while processing:
openvpn
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
The next thing I tried was reinstalling the package by typing
dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r openvpn
dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
reinstall it before attempting a removal.
(Reading database ... 8910 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing openvpn ...
Stopping OpenVPN
/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 439: 3670 Terminated
"${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@"
invoke-rc.d: initscript openvpn, action "stop" failed.
dpkg: error processing openvpn (--remove):
subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 143
Usage: openvpn {start|stop}
invoke-rc.d: initscript openvpn, action "restart" failed.
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
openvpn
I also tried to download newer deb-files of this package by using
apt-get clean and apt-get update, but the problem still remains.
Is there any other possibility to remove a package without using apt
or dpkg to make this thing work again?
apt-get -f install; apt-get install --reinstall openvpn; apt-get -f
install; apt-get remove --purge openvpn
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no /dev/dsp
I have seen one thread on this, but it really didn't satisfy. I am running a system with via 8235 (Asla) onboard. This has worked very well in the past with a 2.6.8 kernel. However, I now find that I have no /dev/dsp at all. Why would this go away? Art Edwards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System needs repair after fsck
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:08:05 +0800, Robert Vangel wrote: > What about `apt-get install --reinstall' Tried, been there: # apt-get install --reinstall Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Actually, I tried a lot of things, like dpkg --get-selections | sed -ne 's,[[:space:]]install$,,p' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall --yes which I got from the archives; but it won't do the trick: l# dpkg --get-selections | sed -ne 's,[[:space:]]install$,,p' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall --yes Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Reinstallation of flashkard is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of flashplayer-mozilla is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gmc is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-audiofile is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-flac is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-gconf is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-gnomevfs is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-mad is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-misc is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-oss is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-plugin-apps is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-plugin-libs is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-tools is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gstreamer-vorbis is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of gxine is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of ipw2100-modules-2.6.8-2-686 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kernel-image-2.4.25-1-386 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kernel-source-2.4.26 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kgeo is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of kpaint is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libboost-python1.31.0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libcairo1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libcdio0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libcroco2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libcurl2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libdb4.0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libdb4.0++c102 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libdns11 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libdns5 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libdvbpsi2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libdvdcss2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libexif9 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libfaac0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libfaad2-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libfame-0.9 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libflac4 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgcrypt1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgcrypt7 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgdkcardimage0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgimp1.2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgksu0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgnutls10 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgnutls7 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgstreamer0.6-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgtkhtml20 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libgucharmap3 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libhowl0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libisc4 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libiso9660-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libkdegst0.6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libkdgantt0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of liblinc1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libmagick5.5.7 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libmjpegtools0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libmp4-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Reinstallation of libofx0c102 is not possible, it cannot be do
upgrade to Sarge stopped nic
Hi, I recently made the mistake of upgrading to Sarge without reading up on the process. Dumb mistake, but it's just a test system. I did an apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. The update finished and I was getting internet connectivity until I rebooted the machine. Now the link light on the hub won't even light up. Or rather, it lights up initially, then at some point during bootup it goes off. * Is there an easy way to recover from this? If not, how can I get my nic to function long enough to SSH some files off that machine. Thanks in advance for the help, -Rick __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to play WMA and MP3 files on Sarge?
hell0 un1verse wrote: >Hi, as in the title, thanks a lot:) > > > MP3 is easy; xine, totem, noatun, xmms, a dozen other players WMA is a bit harder; you'll probably have to get the codecs from mplayerhq.org (I think), and even at that, there are different versions of WMA, some of which may not be playable yet on Linux. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to play WMA and MP3 files on Sarge?
Hi, as in the title, thanks a lot:) -- hell0 un1verse
Re: how to start sarge installation from DOS
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:59:08PM -0700, smith wrote: > > >>i have download 1st CD image of sarge, and boot >>ms-dos, and type the command below: >> >>loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/ram initrd=initrd.gz >> >> >>note vmlinuz and initrd.gz are from 1st CD image, but >>that can't start installation! >> >> >The CD is designed to be booted by the computer. I don't believe that >running setup from the command line in Windows is even supported. > > > > It sounds like he "boot[ed] ms-dos", instead of using a Command Prompt from within Windows. What error messages are you getting? (IIRC, an initrd image can't be booted with loadlin, but I'm not sure; I do remember there was some sort of limitation the last couple of times I tried this). -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System needs repair after fsck
Uwe Dippel wrote: Last night at boot the system checked (after 30 boots or so) my /usr partition. It dropped me to console; I did the suggested fsck /dev/hda8. After the lengthy check it came up; but with some errors; like screwed up XFCE configuration (some apps missing); some screwed up fonts; and "can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" when I 'man foo'. For the rest it works well as far as I have tried. How to repair the system best without re-installing ? I read the doc for apt; dpkg; but didn't find an unambiguous check / repair option; like I had used before for RPMs. Is there any, so that I can make out damaged packages ? What to do to get the system repaired, that otherwise boots fine ? Uwe What about `apt-get install --reinstall' smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
System needs repair after fsck
Last night at boot the system checked (after 30 boots or so) my /usr partition. It dropped me to console; I did the suggested fsck /dev/hda8. After the lengthy check it came up; but with some errors; like screwed up XFCE configuration (some apps missing); some screwed up fonts; and "can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" when I 'man foo'. For the rest it works well as far as I have tried. How to repair the system best without re-installing ? I read the doc for apt; dpkg; but didn't find an unambiguous check / repair option; like I had used before for RPMs. Is there any, so that I can make out damaged packages ? What to do to get the system repaired, that otherwise boots fine ? Uwe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
On Thursday 07 July 2005 07:45 pm, Stephen R Laniel wrote: > The trouble is that everybody has different standards: some > like inline quotes, some like top-posting, and some like > bottom-posting. Rather than get exercised about others' > aesthetic choices, we should let our programs format our > mail the way we want. Which is why I like KMail but I'm running it on a -- by today's standards -- low-powered system (PII, 400 Mhz, 128 ram, 6 GB hard drive). If the receivers of your mail are all on cool, modern, "big" systems then you've no worries. But KMail takes up nearly 30% of my available RAM, and I'm searching for an alternative which likely won't have all it's capabilities. Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to start sarge installation from DOS
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:59:08PM -0700, smith wrote: > i have download 1st CD image of sarge, and boot > ms-dos, and type the command below: > > loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/ram initrd=initrd.gz > > > note vmlinuz and initrd.gz are from 1st CD image, but > that can't start installation! > > Could you please help me? The CD is designed to be booted by the computer. I don't believe that running setup from the command line in Windows is even supported. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpuIXDalzn8n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: jEdit
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:32:08PM -0700, Andy Streich wrote: > Hi again, > > I'm wondering if there is any awareness in the Debian community of the jEdit > editor? I writing a plugin for jEdit that enables people, some of whom are > non-technical, to create and maintain websites and would like to get a sense > of how wide-spread jEdit usage/awareness is among Debian users. (The app is > not dependent on jEdit and runs from the command line in any Java 1.4+ > environment.) > You can start by filing an ITP (if you intend to package and maintain JEdit yourself) or an RFP (if you would like to request the package and hope some Debian developer has enough interest to do it for you). > Since jEdit is a Java app, I'd also like to gather some information about the > acceptance/usage of Java 1.5 (aka 5.0) within the Debian community since that > is the OS that I'm using and would like to recommend. I'd love to require my > users to have Java 5 installed but only if there is some positive acceptance > of Java 5 generally. > In general, apps that require a non-free JVM to run are discouraged. Some do exist, but it is better if your app or plugin can make use of an existing free Java implementation (Kaffe, SableVM, etc). If not, your program must go into contrib. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpt7vSEh1MDK.pgp Description: PGP signature
how to start sarge installation from DOS
i have download 1st CD image of sarge, and boot ms-dos, and type the command below: loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/ram initrd=initrd.gz note vmlinuz and initrd.gz are from 1st CD image, but that can't start installation! Could you please help me? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert wmv video format ?
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 04:07:44AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote: > BTW, I suppose the thing you mention about the Windows machine would only be > a > juridical issue. Mr. Marillat packages a bunch of them. They're in general packaged as x86 executables. You'd need either an x86 box, or an emulator like Bochs, to use them. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you attempt to fix something that isn't broken, it will be. -Bruce Tognazzini -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windowmaker
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:20:04PM -0700, Andy Streich wrote: > Hi, > > Based on advice on this list to maestro I'm considering switching to > windowmaker: > > > I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus > > prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too > > bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation > > I'm even resource-poorer with a PII-400/128MB workstation. I tried KDE, > switched to GNOME, and now am investigating windowmaker. Can anyone give me > pointers to information about what to expect? Specifically, > > 1. resources to learn/understand windowmaker Not much to learn/understand. It is very lightweight, has a decent GUI configuration tool and is very easy to use. > 2. email client that works well (and lightly) in that environment (love > KMail, > but the overhead is too much on my system) I formerly used T-bird, but have since switched to mutt-ng, since it is now (or very soon will be) in Debian and provides all the features I need, including some that T-bird lacked. > 3. package manager, I've been using Synaptic. Am I right in assuming that > aptitude is the way to go in a windowmaker environment or am I reduced to the > command line? Synaptic works just fine. In fact, WindowMaker integrates GNOME, KDE, GTK, Motif, Qt, etc apps very well. Personally, I like aptitude better since I can use from any place I can get shell access (which is more places than from where I can get VNC/XForwarding). > 4. am I just too optimistic that my old system is adequate to run some kind > of > GUI on linux? The GUI is not really the issue. It is the apps. Heavy apps (Moz suite, OpenOffice, etc) will tax your system. A lean GUI will help that by freeing up more resources for the apps. > 5. where do I learn about how to change from booting into a GNOME dm to login > to a windowmaker dm? > If you install wmaker, it will setup the option to log into WindowMaker from GDM. This happens automatically. > FYI I'm a dinosaur that learned programming in FORTRAN with punch cards in > the > '70s. Even in the '80s 128MB of RAM was a supercomputer and people (from HP > if I recall correctly) were writing papers claiming that 50Mhz CPUs were > impossible. I had a neighbor that worked at IBM back when a bunch of kooks claimed that were going to make random access storage media (today we call them hard drives) that were faster and more reliable than tapes :-) I am slowly convincing this former neighbor of the virutes of F/OSS. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpLnmyw02eVN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:22:23PM -0400, Lorenzo Taylor wrote: > Wow! I really like the XML approach. But how are you going to get all the > email programs in the world to use it? It seems too late to make such a smart > new approach to email a standard now as old as email is. Then again, if HTML > email is accepted in so many circles, (not here but ...) why not XML email > everywhere? It's a much better approach than anything that has been thought > up > thus far. It would have to be a voluntary type standard. The Unix flat-file standard is pretty played out, I'd say. Interesting local-file formats use clever databases and so forth to make virtual folders work. It seems like we should have moved past the flat-file format years ago. I've had similar ideas recently about using XML for conf files in /etc, but that would take a bit of elaboration. I'll save that for another time. > > > I think you are an email junky. > > > No I'm not! I have attached the reason why not. > Incidentally, this would response to the other fellow who asked how to extend the XML format to interspersing quotes with responses. You could even do something like Some stuff Some stuff from another message Some stuff that I wrote about: Some tripe -- Stephen R. Laniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] +(617) 308-5571 http://laniels.org/ PGP key: http://laniels.org/slaniel.key signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 08:47:48PM -0500, Jacob S wrote: > Ugh... and I thought HTML e-mail took a ton of disk space compared to > plain text. An inline reply would make the e-mail more than double in > size! XML is chatty. But please: a few hundred extra megabytes won't kill you. Not on hard disks that *start* at 40 gigs. > What happened to humans being smart enough to make things look neat and > clean? The trouble is that everybody has different standards: some like inline quotes, some like top-posting, and some like bottom-posting. Rather than get exercised about others' aesthetic choices, we should let our programs format our mail the way we want. -- Stephen R. Laniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] +(617) 308-5571 http://laniels.org/ PGP key: http://laniels.org/slaniel.key signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: windowmaker
On Friday 08 July 2005 04:20, Andy Streich wrote: > Hi, > > Based on advice on this list to maestro I'm considering switching to > > windowmaker: > > I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus > > prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too > > bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation > > I'm even resource-poorer with a PII-400/128MB workstation. I tried KDE, > switched to GNOME, and now am investigating windowmaker. Can anyone give > me pointers to information about what to expect? Specifically, > > 1. resources to learn/understand windowmaker > 2. email client that works well (and lightly) in that environment (love > KMail, but the overhead is too much on my system) > 3. package manager, I've been using Synaptic. Am I right in assuming that > aptitude is the way to go in a windowmaker environment or am I reduced to > the command line? > 4. am I just too optimistic that my old system is adequate to run some > kind of GUI on linux? > 5. where do I learn about how to change from booting into a GNOME dm to > login to a windowmaker dm? 1. Start by using WPrefs to setup various things about WMaker. It does what you want -- relieve you from editing config files. Some things are better configured through wmakerconf, though. Wmakerconf needs to be installed separately. 2. I'll just listen along. I am also attempting to switch from KMail. 3. Synaptic will run, too. As I see it, you don't need to change. However, aptitude will also work perfectly in an xterm or the like. 4. I would definitely not say so. I've run KDE 3.3 rather smoothly on a 233MHz P2 with 56MB of RAM. 5. It would be edited in your ~/.xinitrc. However, I have found it to be enough to edit ~/.xsession, so that it contains the line ``wmaker''. Regards, Anders Breindahl. pgpijXdV713n8.pgp Description: PGP signature
jEdit
Hi again, I'm wondering if there is any awareness in the Debian community of the jEdit editor? I writing a plugin for jEdit that enables people, some of whom are non-technical, to create and maintain websites and would like to get a sense of how wide-spread jEdit usage/awareness is among Debian users. (The app is not dependent on jEdit and runs from the command line in any Java 1.4+ environment.) Since jEdit is a Java app, I'd also like to gather some information about the acceptance/usage of Java 1.5 (aka 5.0) within the Debian community since that is the OS that I'm using and would like to recommend. I'd love to require my users to have Java 5 installed but only if there is some positive acceptance of Java 5 generally. Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
windowmaker
Hi, Based on advice on this list to maestro I'm considering switching to windowmaker: > I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus > prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too > bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation I'm even resource-poorer with a PII-400/128MB workstation. I tried KDE, switched to GNOME, and now am investigating windowmaker. Can anyone give me pointers to information about what to expect? Specifically, 1. resources to learn/understand windowmaker 2. email client that works well (and lightly) in that environment (love KMail, but the overhead is too much on my system) 3. package manager, I've been using Synaptic. Am I right in assuming that aptitude is the way to go in a windowmaker environment or am I reduced to the command line? 4. am I just too optimistic that my old system is adequate to run some kind of GUI on linux? 5. where do I learn about how to change from booting into a GNOME dm to login to a windowmaker dm? FYI I'm a dinosaur that learned programming in FORTRAN with punch cards in the '70s. Even in the '80s 128MB of RAM was a supercomputer and people (from HP if I recall correctly) were writing papers claiming that 50Mhz CPUs were impossible. Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert wmv video format ?
On Friday 08 July 2005 03:29, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > That only works if he has the win32 codecs installed. He may not have > access from a Windows machine from which to obtain them, or he may not > be on an x86 machine. Sadly, the support for wmv and other proprietary > video formats is lacking. I know, but some (IMO, quite a lot) are natively supported. WMV9 is somewhat unsupported, though. I don't really know what revision of the format he is trying to decrypt, but if he *can* play the file in mplayer, mencoder will do the job. BTW, I suppose the thing you mention about the Windows machine would only be a juridical issue. Mr. Marillat packages a bunch of them. Regards, Anders Breindahl. pgplcuo5ojhXW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:22:23 -0400 Lorenzo Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen R Laniel's comments on Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting > were as follows: # On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 02:52:41PM -0500, Kent West > wrote: # > # > # This is some stuff that a guy wrote > # > # > # > # I disagree vehemently with whatever you said > # > # > > Wow! I really like the XML approach. But how are you going to get > all the email programs in the world to use it? It seems too late to > make such a smart new approach to email a standard now as old as email > is. Then again, if HTML email is accepted in so many circles, (not > here but ...) why not XML email everywhere? It's a much better > approach than anything that has been thought up thus far. > > Let's take it one step further: Ugh... and I thought HTML e-mail took a ton of disk space compared to plain text. An inline reply would make the e-mail more than double in size! What happened to humans being smart enough to make things look neat and clean? When I first came to this list, I observed how others posted, received a few tips when I messed up and the rest of my time has been spent helping and being helped. I knew that to get help from this list I would need to follow _this lists's_ rules. What's so hard about that? (And I'm a young guy... not some old 'dinosaur' that cut their teeth on CP/M. :-) Just my $0.02. Jacob P.S. No, this is not meant as a flame and notice that I did not use any upper case words - I was not yelling or mad. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 12:10 -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: > an aside: what is the command to invoke the raid software w/o using the > setup disk? mdadm is the most common raid management software nowadays. $ mdadm --run /dev/md0 will start up the first raid device that you have already configured. $ mdadm --create --level 5 --size 1000 --raid-devices 3 /dev/hd[abc]1 will create a new raid device for you made up of partitions hda1, hdb1, hdc1 -davidc -- gpg-key: http://www.zettazebra.com/files/key.gpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Speedtouch+pppd+br2684ctl
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 11:25:33PM +0100, Paladin wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I've recently installed an ADSL modem as my primary connection to > the internet. The modem that my provider gave me is a Speedtouch. I > have this installed on a Debian sarge machine, which uses a 2.4 > kernel. This was one of the first problems I had: this kernel does > not support hotplug firmware upload. To be able to upload the > firmware I installed the "speedtouch" package which in turn calls > ifup on the network interface. As a pre-up command I run br2684ctl > and configure the nas0 interface. Only then pppd is called. (I'm > doing this detailed description just in case anyone is stuck as I > was) > > Ok, everything is working apart from one thing: from time to time > my provider disconnects me and pppd isn't able to recover. As far as > I understood the problem is that the running br2684ctl needs to be > killed and then restarted. Since the interface doesn't go down no > /etc/network/interface scripts are run. > > Does any one have any idea on how I can accomplish that? > Check to see if your modem has a web interface that will allow it to handle your pppoe for you. Then you can just set it up as a regular DHCP or static ethernet link and not worry about it. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpsNH2QbibyH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LIBSTDC++-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:40:42PM +0300, Bogdan Sicleru wrote: > Well...this program was on my cd that came with the UPS.That's why I > wanted this one.At your advice I searched a little through the packets > and I found something called upsd. > I installed it..but I don't know how to use it.It's kind of weird > because it says something about /etc/rc.d/rc.upsd. > In fact there is no rc.upsd at all on my hard drive and there is > no /etc/rc.d directory. > I will try searching anyway... > Thanks for your help. > If you know something better for UPS-s please tell me(I use Mustek). > Try apcupsd. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpcoTk4Lq0Kk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GNUstep still kicking?
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 11:59:12AM -0700, Rodney D. Myers wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:49:25 -0400 > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There was a recent major release of WindowMaker to 0.91. I don't > > think it is dying at all. To the best I can figure, there are still > > many actively developed GNUstep apps out there, with new ones > > occasionally popping up. > > > > -Roberto > > Actually it's 0.92.0 Good point. I decided to stick with Sarge for the time being, so I didn't see it as an available version. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpzVw55uWr8G.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: convert wmv video format ?
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 12:58:23AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote: > On Friday 08 July 2005 00:25, belahcene wrote: > > Is there possibility to convert the wmv window video format to one > > which is recognized by a linux reader > > `mencoder infile.wmv -ovc lavc -ovc lavc -o outfile.avi' should work. > Provided, that you got mplayer to play the file. > If it doesn't work, read the manpage of mplayer. > > Regards, Anders Breindahl. That only works if he has the win32 codecs installed. He may not have access from a Windows machine from which to obtain them, or he may not be on an x86 machine. Sadly, the support for wmv and other proprietary video formats is lacking. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpnUHJF3VJKp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 01:34:15PM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: > > On Thu, July 7, 2005 11:11 am, Andy Smith said: > > >> If the first hard drive crashes how do you recover? > > > > You restore from backups or do a new install. > > > > There has got to be a better solution than that. I never want to consider > my backups to be a first line of defense against hardware failure. I read it as how to boot a machine that has lost the only device that has its /boot and root filesystem on. If in actual fact the only filesystem missing is /boot then it may well be possible to boot with a rescue cd like knoppix with a new clean drive put in, make a new /boot on that, copy a kernel (and possibly initrd) in, adjust /boot/grub/menu.lst to be correct and reboot. But hopefully you can see how much hassle that is compared to putting /boot and swap on a raid1 and suffering only the downtime required to put a new disk in. > Sources used: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html > debian mailing list > > In that spirit I have set up the following: > Debian 3.1r0a > IDE 1-4 each with a 2 GB and a 38 GB RAID configured using Debian software > RAID tool > > RAID 1 = 2 GB ext3 /boot (from disks 1 & 3) This is massive btw, 100MB is generous for /boot, although admittedly that does leave you with 2GB minus 100MB on disks 2 and 4 that may be hard to find a use for. > RAID 1 = 2 GB swap (from disks 2 & 4) > RAID 5 = 114 GB ext3 / (from disks 1,2,3,4) > > Results: > If I replace hard drive 1 I am unable to boot. Using the grub boot disk > and pointing at hd 2,0 generates the following messages: > md2 No spare disk to reconstruct array! continuing in degraded mode > EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock > pivot_root: No such file or directory > /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > How do I get the OS to recognize the spare disk now, after the failure? > If the RAID 1 was truly working would it have not booted? Is there > another setting on my boot floppy that would help here? Hmm, I am not sure what is wrong here - provided you have done the grub-install to both disk 1 and disk 3 it should be OK. But it seems like it does get past booting and gets stuck having no root fs, so that suggests something fundamentally wrong. Try posing this one on linux-raid list? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
(SOLVED) Re: Ethereal - Assertion Failed when starting (Sid)
Adam Aube wrote: > When starting ethereal on Sid, the following error message occurs: [snipped] > Ethereal then quits. Ethereal and all its packages are completely > up-to-date (as of 7/2/05). Searching the archives provided no information. > I filed a bug report about this (#316650), but it does not seem to be a > reproducible error. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Changing the font from Cursor to Bitstream Vera Sans solved the problem. >From my testing, other fonts seem to work as well - Cursor is the only one I've found so far that causes problems. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DBM support for mod_rewrite
Nicklas, Create this symbolic link: ln -s /lib/libdb1.so.2 /usr/lib/libdb1.so and then run configure again. Resgard Pj
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen R Laniel's comments on Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting were as follows: # On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 02:52:41PM -0500, Kent West wrote: # # # This is some stuff that a guy wrote # # # # I disagree vehemently with whatever you said # # Wow! I really like the XML approach. But how are you going to get all the email programs in the world to use it? It seems too late to make such a smart new approach to email a standard now as old as email is. Then again, if HTML email is accepted in so many circles, (not here but ...) why not XML email everywhere? It's a much better approach than anything that has been thought up thus far. Let's take it one step further: ... multiple recipients get their own headers ... same as to for multiples ... other headers in same format ... I think you are an email junky. No I'm not! I have attached the reason why not. You read too much email. It gives me something to do. Put a file in here. The program will do all this for you including filling in the size and mimetype. Hey. I can dream can't I? Lorenzo - -- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:+ a- C+++ UL P+ L+++ E- W++ N o K- w--- O M V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+ X+ R tv-- b++ DI-- D+ G e* h r+++ y+++ - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCzbkvG9IpekrhBfIRAkXYAKCHhQ4nKE4fEV2YArIw0OK6cI88WQCgy3R9 ARILUYT6gyjJbn0GFv/wxcE= =ldlR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert wmv video format ?
On Friday 08 July 2005 00:58, Anders Breindahl wrote: > `mencoder infile.wmv -ovc lavc -ovc lavc -o outfile.avi' should work. Sorry, I meant to say: `mencoder infile.wmv -ovc lavc -oac lavc -o outfile.avi' Regards, Anders Breindahl. pgpsLHqS7wksB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: external USB acomdata drive
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:38:55PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: >On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 08:52:59AM -0700, Pete Hicks wrote: > >> However, when I try and mount the drive, I can an error saying wrong >> fstype: >> >> % sudo mount -t vfat /dev/uba /mnt/extdrive >> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/uba, >>missing codepage or other error >>(could this be the IDE device where you in fact use >>ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) >>In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try >>dmesg | tail or so > >Did you try either of the things mount suggested (mounting /dev/sda or >looking at dmesg)? I did. The message that dmesg produces is that there is no filesystem (at work ATM, so I don't have my laptop, and don't remember the message verbatim). Since I am using UDEV, I created /dev/sda1 with mknod, and that did not work. I suspect this is because ide-scsi used to handle scsi emulation, and that is not really what I am looking to achive. I was thinking about trying to reformat the drive using parted or windows (gasp), but winxp does not format fat32, and parted was giving me a dire warning, so I held off there. I might go ahead and risk it if I run out of options. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert wmv video format ?
On Friday 08 July 2005 00:25, belahcene wrote: > Is there possibility to convert the wmv window video format to one > which is recognized by a linux reader `mencoder infile.wmv -ovc lavc -ovc lavc -o outfile.avi' should work. Provided, that you got mplayer to play the file. If it doesn't work, read the manpage of mplayer. Regards, Anders Breindahl. pgpdtJRNvJYMN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Networked sound
Anders Breindahl wrote: > Hi, > > I am very eager to establish some sort of networked sound. By that I refer to > having my sound applications output on a different host on the LAN. > Before I start hacking away at it, I would like to know if some of you have > made it work. Any easy entry-points? > > I am already using arts on the relevant hosts, so configuring output through > that would be nice. I have STFW'ed multiple times and found nothing directly > useful. > > Any ideas and pointers to information will be appreciated. > Anders Breindahl/skrewz. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ Video lan will multicast your videos or music. They even have a client for sharp zaurus. //andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
convert wmv video format ?
Hi, Is there possibility to convert the wmv window video format to one which is recognized by a linux reader like xine, totem or evem real player, I couldn't read it on mozilla, there is no plugin for wmv for linux!! thanks for help bela -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Speedtouch+pppd+br2684ctl
Hello everyone. I've recently installed an ADSL modem as my primary connection to the internet. The modem that my provider gave me is a Speedtouch. I have this installed on a Debian sarge machine, which uses a 2.4 kernel. This was one of the first problems I had: this kernel does not support hotplug firmware upload. To be able to upload the firmware I installed the "speedtouch" package which in turn calls ifup on the network interface. As a pre-up command I run br2684ctl and configure the nas0 interface. Only then pppd is called. (I'm doing this detailed description just in case anyone is stuck as I was) Ok, everything is working apart from one thing: from time to time my provider disconnects me and pppd isn't able to recover. As far as I understood the problem is that the running br2684ctl needs to be killed and then restarted. Since the interface doesn't go down no /etc/network/interface scripts are run. Does any one have any idea on how I can accomplish that? Thanks in advance, -- Paladin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot burn audio tracks with cdrecord
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:33:07 +0100 Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rodney D. Myers wrote: > > >On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:10:41 +0100 > >Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>I have this problem in both Stable (Sarge) and Unstable with kernel > >>2.6.8-2-386. I have two .wav files (recorded with sound-recorder). I > >>can burn a CD with cdrecord using either one of the files, and the > >>result is a playable audio CD. > >> > >>If I burn a disc using both files, the CD will not play on a > >>software audio player or on audio hi-fi equipment. The commands I > >>have tried are > >> > >>cdrecord -eject -v -tao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav > >>cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav > >>cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=/dev/hdc *.wav. > >> > >>The same problem occurs using XCDRoast and k3b (which both use > >>cdrecord). > >> > >>I can burn the .wav files using the -data switch, transfer them to > >>a Windoze machine and burn an audio CD sucessfully there. > >> > >>Has anyone been able to burn a multi-track audio CD in Sarge? > >> > >> > >>Chris. > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > >This is an older script I have used; > > > >cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdd -useinfo -v speed=16 -pad -eject fs=64992k > >driveropts=burnfree -dao -audio *.wav > > > >It looks similar to what you are using though. > > > > > > > Thanks. I tried fs=64992k (I have 128MB in the box and 8MB in the > drive, so this looks OK) and driveropts=burnfree, but I produced > another corrupt audio disc. I did not try -useinfo; the manpage > refers to info files. Did you write these yourself? > > The screen output looks OK, but the audio CD is a coaster: Tweaked what xcdroast had written into the log file. Another way, which I prefer is to select each wav file in order, and insert them. instead of -dao *.wav I use -dao 1.wav -dao 2.wav etc. works better for me that way -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgpXL1mlHNeNc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE display seems WAY too big
On Thursday 07 July 2005 04:45, Jon Roed wrote: > Everything was just way to big, the colors were okay. I figured out how to > return most of it to normal, but the panel icons are still huge. I had to > go into the Control Center and change all the text sizes to the right ones, > and change all the icon sizes too. It however wouldn't let me change the > size of the panel icons i will check into the accesibility idea though, it > does make sense. Thanks. Check your ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals, section PanelIcons, and set the Size=16 And to restart the panel: dcop kicker Panel restart If Kmenu is giving you trouble: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/jbartsh_menuentryheight.html -- Robert "roach" Spencer Pietermaritzburg South Africa
Scrolling windows contents leads to temporary freeze and blank areas on the screen
I have just got sarge installed in a IBM Netfinity 3500, with kde and gnome. Everything is running smoothly, except for a kde glitch: When I scroll a window contents (by getting a new line in a console window or by using the scroll bar in an text editor o web browse), I frequently experience a momentary desktop freeze and a blank block appears on the screen. The freeze then goes away by itself, and the blank area on the scree can be refreshed by moving an window over it or by triggering somo other kind of widget repaint. There is no such problem with gnome. I have tried metacity with KDE (su - passwd /usr/bin/metacity --replace & ,), but it does not change anything, the problem remains. I've googled around for refresh, blank, redraw, scroll, freeze, kde and stuff like that, and got no relevant hits. I'm using: xserver-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 The display is: S3 Savage 4 (rev.02), running at 1600x1200, 24bit A bit later, I switched to stable (now, Sarge). Unfortunately, the problem remains. I'm puzzled. Any hints? Thanks in advance, Joao -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot burn audio tracks with cdrecord
Rodney D. Myers wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:10:41 +0100 Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have this problem in both Stable (Sarge) and Unstable with kernel 2.6.8-2-386. I have two .wav files (recorded with sound-recorder). I can burn a CD with cdrecord using either one of the files, and the result is a playable audio CD. If I burn a disc using both files, the CD will not play on a software audio player or on audio hi-fi equipment. The commands I have tried are cdrecord -eject -v -tao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=/dev/hdc *.wav. The same problem occurs using XCDRoast and k3b (which both use cdrecord). I can burn the .wav files using the -data switch, transfer them to a Windoze machine and burn an audio CD sucessfully there. Has anyone been able to burn a multi-track audio CD in Sarge? Chris. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an older script I have used; cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdd -useinfo -v speed=16 -pad -eject fs=64992k driveropts=burnfree -dao -audio *.wav It looks similar to what you are using though. Thanks. I tried fs=64992k (I have 128MB in the box and 8MB in the drive, so this looks OK) and driveropts=burnfree, but I produced another corrupt audio disc. I did not try -useinfo; the manpage refers to info files. Did you write these yourself? The screen output looks OK, but the audio CD is a coaster: # cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad fs=64992k driveropts=burnfree dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Joerg Schilling NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. Please send bug reports and support requests to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.8-2-386 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. cdrecord: Warning: Linux-2.6.8 introduced incompatible interface changes. cdrecord: Warning: SCSI transport does no longer work for suid root programs. cdrecord: Warning: if cdrecord fails, try to run it from a root account. TOC Type: 0 = CD-DA scsidev: 'ATA:1,0,0' devname: 'ATA' scsibus: 1 target: 0 lun: 0 Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'. cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c 1.91 04/06/17 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling'). Driveropts: 'burnfree' SCSI buffer size: 64512 atapi: -1 Device type: Removable CD-ROM Version: 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info: 'PHILIPS ' Identifikation : 'CDRW1610A ' Revision : 'P1.4' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Current: 0x0009 Profile: 0x000A Profile: 0x0009 (current) Profile: 0x0008 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-2 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R Drive buf size : 7521696 = 7345 KB FIFO size : 66551808 = 64992 KB Track 01: audio 66 MB (06:36.27) no preemp pad Track 02: audio 77 MB (07:42.44) no preemp pad Total size: 144 MB (14:18.73) = 64405 sectors Lout start: 144 MB (14:20/55) = 64405 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation Blocks total: 359846 Blocks current: 359846 Blocks remaining: 295441 Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 16 in real SAO mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is ON. Performing OPC... Sending CUE sheet... Writing pregap for track 1 at 29721 Starting new track at sector: 29871 Track 01: 66 of 66 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 16.7x. WARNING: padding up to secsize. Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 69902336/69903792 (29721 sectors). Starting new track at sector: 59592 Track 02: 77 of 77 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 16.1x. WARNING: padding up to secsize. Track 02: Total bytes read/written: 81575936/81576768 (34684 sectors). Writing time: 79.304s Average write speed 12.3x. Min drive buffer fill was 19% Fixating... Fixating time: 12.852s cdrecord: fifo had 2386 puts and 2386 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 1263 times full, min fill was 99%. # -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsu
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Re: Creating a task launcher.....
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 03:36:29PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote :
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:15:33PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> > > I'd say that we should just keep new users away from the
> > > command line. I do all my work there, but it ceased to be
> > > the best way for new users to interact with a computer about
> > > 15 years ago. The problem with the command line (just to
> > because win started to get market share at that time and gave users bad
> > habits
>
> A GUI is not a 'bad habit.' It's the interface that most
> users are comfortable with. The command line is an intensely
> powerful gaping void: you look at it and ask, "Um ... what
> do I tell it to do?" I want to get a list of the files here;
> what do I type? 'ls' is not the first thing that comes to
> mind, much less 'ls -la'. I want to create a new document;
> 'vim' is not the first thing that comes to mind. The list
> goes on. It's nonintuitive. I suppose it could be made
> slightly more intuitive by making the command 'web browser'
> or 'word processor' do something, but that's not going to
> happen ("bash: web: command not found").
>
Sure a GUI is not a bad habit! far from that! but it has the drawback to
lower the "brain use" of the user... A computer is a tool which use you
must learn and unfortunately GUIs tend to avoid any learning from the
user side.
> > generally, the name of the program matches the name of the binary! the
> > best example is what you are telling above with firefox...
>
> Sure. But part of my point is that a new user will not know
> that the web browser is called 'firefox'. I installed
> Mozilla on a Windows client's machine a while ago and
> deleted the IE icon (I do that for all my clients nowadays,
> using Firefox instead). I didn't change the default icon
> title, so it still said "Mozilla." I left that client and
> hopped on the subway home. 30 minutes later I had an irate
> voicemail on my cell phone asking me, "WHAT IS 'MANZILLA'?"
> The name does not suggest what it does.
>
> Lesson: ever since then, I have changed the icon title to
> read 'web browser' or 'Internet'. Most new users DO NOT know
> what the term 'web browser' means, generically: they don't
> understand that there is a class of objects called 'web
> browsers' of which Internet Explorer and Mozilla and Firefox
> are instances.
>
> So that's the level of user that we're dealing with. We
> can't even expect most users to know what a 'web browser'
> is, much less to know that 'Firefox' does the same thing as
> IE, MUCH less to know that their web browser will launch
> if they type 'firefox' (not 'Firefox' or 'FIREFOX') at the
> command line. Much less that 'firefox &' is probably the
> command they actually want to run.
>
I have to agree definitively at this point.
But I think that if we get this e-mail that means the sender wants to
learn, so why not try to give him some useful hints even if he will not
use them, at least he'll be aware of.
I don't think that normal users will approach specialized mailing-lists.
> The command line is a hopeless loss for 99.5% of all users.
>
> > important information! BTW that remembers me the first (and lone) time I
> > tried to convert a pascal program to c using the program "p2c"
>
> The fact that you were trying to convert a Pascal program to
> C suggests that your level of experience is far past that of
> most new users. This is why the first thing that students at
> Carnegie Mellon's Human-Computer Interaction Institute learn
> is "You Are Not The User." We need to study how actual users
> behave, not base our UI judgments on what we ourselves find
> intuitive.
>
> Working as a Windows, OS X and Linux end-user support guy
> has really enlightened me.
>
> > I agree with you! I just wanted to pointed that in comparison to win the
> > filesystems is organized! and so a comparison of /usr/bin to c:\Program
> > Files seems to be not 100% relevant!
>
> Windows is mostly organized as well. Nearly all executables
> will appear under C:\Program Files, just as nearly all
> Linux executables appear under /usr/bin. Also, nearly all
> users' documents appear under C:\Documents and Settings.
> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users is not quite like /etc;
> you'll get a lot of /etc-type stuff under C:\winnt.
Yes initially windows is organized but you have to keep it organized as
well as some programs purely install in C:\
>
> Has anyone written a "directory conversion guide" for new
> users?
I think there is something in the debian reference guide about this and
if I remerber well this is well written (shortly and precisely enough to
get a good idea).
>
> > Please don't feel blame by my comments, this is not my goal! I just want
> > to give some tips to a new user and not to tell him that what you say is
> > wrong.
>
> No blame here. Just some ideas.
>
All right -;)
Best regards,
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Re: setting up clamav-freshclam on debian-user mailing list
Chris Isomaki wrote: Did you ever resolve this? I'm running into the same problem, and there is no solution posted to the list. Sorry to bother you. Thanks in advance. I can't really say I resolved it. But it seems to have gone away with the most recent ClamAV version(s). I'm showing ClamAV 0.85.1-2; and I do not get any failures showing during apt install or boot up. -- David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate "By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French, Tr. Free at last! Free at last! Using Linux, I'm FREE at last! Life is too short to tolerate crappy software! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alsa default card (card0) with multiple cards
How do I make a sound card my default card at boot using alsa? I have 2 cards, ICE1712 and Intel8x0. ICE1712 is loaded as card0 at boot. Using alsaconf I can change cards so that Intel8x0 is card0 and ICE1712 card1. alsaconf asks if I want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound or /etc/modprobe.conf but neither are present. How do I change my configuration so that the Intel8x0 is card0 at boot and ICE1712 is card1? -- Lance Hoffmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and governments to gain ground. - Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
Stephen R Laniel wrote: > I wonder if I may be so bold as to suggest the final word > about top- or bottom-posting. Here it is: Nope. Here's the final word. > Your email program should be smart enough to customize to > your preference. Pipe dream. > Email messages should look like so: > > > This is some stuff that a guy wrote > > > > I disagree vehemently with whatever you said > > Now define interspersing like I've just done along with proper trimming, which I've done, and try to cram it into XML so as to appease the clueful and the clueless through specious clint preferences. Can't bedone for 2 reasons: 1: I have trimmed the original message. 2: Because I an interspersing my reply some of my comments only make sense when the context provided by proper quoting is provided. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Sid: latest upgrade broke kmail
On Thursday 07 July 2005 12:14, Martin Henne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > I upgraded my sid today and kmail crashes when started. > The debugger says, there's a segfault in QString in > libqt-mt.so.3 > [...] > Does anyone else have this problem? Yes: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317098 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe Soundproblem: modules (snd_intel8x0) loaded but sound is playing only one second
Hi, ich bin auch total verzweifelt und hoffe, dass Du die Zeit hast mir zu antworten. Auf der Suche nach den richtigen Einstellungen für genau das gleiche Maiboard, A7N8X-Deluxe, finde ich nicht wirklich die wahre Lösung für meine Linuxprobleme. Zwar bekomme ich Sound hin aber nicht über ALSA, sonder Xine. Ich muss hw:0,2 einstellen, damit ich überhaupt sound bekomme. Bist Du da weiter gekommen?? Vielen Dank für jede Antwort, die Du mir gibst. Viele Grüsse aus Hamburg, Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: external USB acomdata drive
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 08:52:59AM -0700, Pete Hicks wrote: > However, when I try and mount the drive, I can an error saying wrong > fstype: > > % sudo mount -t vfat /dev/uba /mnt/extdrive > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/uba, >missing codepage or other error >(could this be the IDE device where you in fact use >ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) >In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try >dmesg | tail or so Did you try either of the things mount suggested (mounting /dev/sda or looking at dmesg)? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you attempt to fix something that isn't broken, it will be. -Bruce Tognazzini -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNUstep still kicking?
On Thursday 07 July 2005 10:57, Meistro Master <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Is GNUstep still a useful platform; Yes. > is it popular? Not really. > I really do enjoy the NeXT/OPEN/AFTER/step environment, but don't want > to get reacquainted with something that's dying a slow death :( I don't know about the history of the libraries, window manager, etc., but here's an announcement from July 3: Window Maker 0.92.0 is available for download from http://windowmaker.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 02:52:41PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> At the risk of starting yet another war about top-posting, I just came
> across this (year-old) blog by what appears to be the guy who wrote
> (with a couple of others) the IMAP support in Microsoft's Entourage
> ("Outlook for the Mac") product.
I wonder if I may be so bold as to suggest the final word
about top- or bottom-posting. Here it is:
Your email program should be smart enough to customize to
your preference.
Email messages should look like so:
This is some stuff that a guy wrote
I disagree vehemently with whatever you said
Then if I want to display the response on top, I can; if I
want to display the original message on top, I can do that
too.
Programs can hack their way to this now, by assuming that
any line starting with N '>'s is an N-levels-deep message
earlier in the thread. The XML approach could lead to all
sorts of improvements -- e.g., we could have
This is some stuff that a guy wrote
Since the messageID is embedded in the part that we're
replying to, smart clients would allow us to click on the
quoted part and jump back to the original message to read
the full context. It would make email threading a lot more
useful.
The whole top- versus bottom-posting debate is pretty bush
league, I think. We should have stopped *needing* to talk
about it around 1995.
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OT (and Flamebait): Top-Posting
At the risk of starting yet another war about top-posting, I just came
across this (year-old) blog by what appears to be the guy who wrote
(with a couple of others) the IMAP support in Microsoft's Entourage
("Outlook for the Mac") product.
Two things he said that caught my attention:
1) He says he likes IMAP (so do I)
and
2) He prefers the intersperse method of replying, like what this Debian
User list encourages, rather than the top-posting method used by
Outlook. He even uses Thunderbird as an example of an email client that
gets it right. A quote:
"*Executive Summary*: Thunderbird
Re: LIBSTDC++-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 14:47 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:50:49PM +0300, Bogdan Sicleru wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 11:19 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > > > The JAR file that contains com/zerog/lax/LAX is not in your classpath. > > > You need > > > to set your CLASSPATH to include it, or pass the -cp option on the > > > command line. > > > > > > -Roberto > > > > > > -- > > > Roberto C. Sanchez > > > http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr > > > > > > > > I tried to pass the -cp option but still don't work. > > > > BCS:/home/bogdans/Linux# ./setup.bin -cp > > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: > > com/zerog/lax/LAX > > > > could you tell me how exactly I have to set my CLASSPATH ? > > > No I can't. Here is why: > > * I have no idea where com/zerog/lax/LAX exists on your system > * Even if you could tell me which JAR file contains it, I don't know > where that file is on your system. > * I don't know enough about your setup (JRE/JDK, version, other > environment settings). > > Incidentally, why are you using this particular program and not one that > is already in Debian? > > -Roberto > Well...this program was on my cd that came with the UPS.That's why I wanted this one.At your advice I searched a little through the packets and I found something called upsd. I installed it..but I don't know how to use it.It's kind of weird because it says something about /etc/rc.d/rc.upsd. In fact there is no rc.upsd at all on my hard drive and there is no /etc/rc.d directory. I will try searching anyway... Thanks for your help. If you know something better for UPS-s please tell me(I use Mustek). Bogdan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a task launcher.....
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:15:33PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote:
> > I'd say that we should just keep new users away from the
> > command line. I do all my work there, but it ceased to be
> > the best way for new users to interact with a computer about
> > 15 years ago. The problem with the command line (just to
> because win started to get market share at that time and gave users bad
> habits
A GUI is not a 'bad habit.' It's the interface that most
users are comfortable with. The command line is an intensely
powerful gaping void: you look at it and ask, "Um ... what
do I tell it to do?" I want to get a list of the files here;
what do I type? 'ls' is not the first thing that comes to
mind, much less 'ls -la'. I want to create a new document;
'vim' is not the first thing that comes to mind. The list
goes on. It's nonintuitive. I suppose it could be made
slightly more intuitive by making the command 'web browser'
or 'word processor' do something, but that's not going to
happen ("bash: web: command not found").
> generally, the name of the program matches the name of the binary! the
> best example is what you are telling above with firefox...
Sure. But part of my point is that a new user will not know
that the web browser is called 'firefox'. I installed
Mozilla on a Windows client's machine a while ago and
deleted the IE icon (I do that for all my clients nowadays,
using Firefox instead). I didn't change the default icon
title, so it still said "Mozilla." I left that client and
hopped on the subway home. 30 minutes later I had an irate
voicemail on my cell phone asking me, "WHAT IS 'MANZILLA'?"
The name does not suggest what it does.
Lesson: ever since then, I have changed the icon title to
read 'web browser' or 'Internet'. Most new users DO NOT know
what the term 'web browser' means, generically: they don't
understand that there is a class of objects called 'web
browsers' of which Internet Explorer and Mozilla and Firefox
are instances.
So that's the level of user that we're dealing with. We
can't even expect most users to know what a 'web browser'
is, much less to know that 'Firefox' does the same thing as
IE, MUCH less to know that their web browser will launch
if they type 'firefox' (not 'Firefox' or 'FIREFOX') at the
command line. Much less that 'firefox &' is probably the
command they actually want to run.
The command line is a hopeless loss for 99.5% of all users.
> important information! BTW that remembers me the first (and lone) time I
> tried to convert a pascal program to c using the program "p2c"
The fact that you were trying to convert a Pascal program to
C suggests that your level of experience is far past that of
most new users. This is why the first thing that students at
Carnegie Mellon's Human-Computer Interaction Institute learn
is "You Are Not The User." We need to study how actual users
behave, not base our UI judgments on what we ourselves find
intuitive.
Working as a Windows, OS X and Linux end-user support guy
has really enlightened me.
> I agree with you! I just wanted to pointed that in comparison to win the
> filesystems is organized! and so a comparison of /usr/bin to c:\Program
> Files seems to be not 100% relevant!
Windows is mostly organized as well. Nearly all executables
will appear under C:\Program Files, just as nearly all
Linux executables appear under /usr/bin. Also, nearly all
users' documents appear under C:\Documents and Settings.
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users is not quite like /etc;
you'll get a lot of /etc-type stuff under C:\winnt.
Has anyone written a "directory conversion guide" for new
users?
> Please don't feel blame by my comments, this is not my goal! I just want
> to give some tips to a new user and not to tell him that what you say is
> wrong.
No blame here. Just some ideas.
--
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Re: Creating a task launcher.....
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 01:17:18PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote : > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote: > > There something that you can try to do instead of double-clicking on > > item (this way you'll also experience the user-friendliness of linux): > > open a terminal (gnome-terminal or Konsole under KDE (yeah this ugly > > command line)) and type 'fire' and hit twice the TAB key, that will give > > you every command beginning with fire including firefox! If the command > > needs some more argument, it will tell it to you! so according to these > > messages, you'll be able to see what went wrong! > > I'd say that we should just keep new users away from the > command line. I do all my work there, but it ceased to be > the best way for new users to interact with a computer about > 15 years ago. The problem with the command line (just to because win started to get market share at that time and gave users bad habits > resurrect a horse long enough to flail it) is that it > doesn't tell you what your options are. In a GUI, you have > menus that list the full extent of what's available to you. > The command line has the full expressive power of language, > with all the complexities that that entails. Sometimes -- > often -- limiting choice makes things more usable. (Ask a > recent immigrant about his or her first time in an American > grocery store, for an idea.) > > You come to the command line, for instance, and you ask > yourself 'How do I launch my web browser?' How will you know > even that your web browser starts with 'fire'? > Tab-completion only works if you know what the filename is. > generally, the name of the program matches the name of the binary! the best example is what you are telling above with firefox... also I think that new users do not have to use intensively the command line but they should be aware that this command line is a way far from being not interactive and in a majority of cases will give them important information! BTW that remembers me the first (and lone) time I tried to convert a pascal program to c using the program "p2c", I was definitively a newbie and tried to do it by double-clicking... I would have succeed if I would have been aware of the command line. My remarks were just intended to make him aware of that. > The better approach for new users is to have a menu like > GNOME's: Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Though I think > Firefox should be labeled 'Firefox web browser,' but they're > on their way. > > > Well ok! but don't look to much at this! after some reading on the unix > > filesystems you will understand that you can't not do such equivalent > > between unix and win (I don't blame someone here). So take it for half > > right for now, you'll understand that with some practice. > > Mmm ... give me an example of an executable file that > > a) most new users would encounter and > b) is *not* in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, or /usr/sbin. > > Granted, sometimes apps are in ~/bin, but new users will not > encounter that. The odds are overwhelming that any app you > want will be in one of the four directories that I listed. > I agree with you! I just wanted to pointed that in comparison to win the filesystems is organized! and so a comparison of /usr/bin to c:\Program Files seems to be not 100% relevant! Please don't feel blame by my comments, this is not my goal! I just want to give some tips to a new user and not to tell him that what you say is wrong. Best regards -- Brice Méalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user nb. 372699 Debian Sarge -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: GNUstep still kicking?
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:49:25 -0400 "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was a recent major release of WindowMaker to 0.91. I don't > think it is dying at all. To the best I can figure, there are still > many actively developed GNUstep apps out there, with new ones > occasionally popping up. > > -Roberto Actually it's 0.92.0 -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgpkrDEtMVJe7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GNUstep still kicking?
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:57:06AM -0700, Meistro Master wrote: > I've recently come back to Debian after several years of disappointing > work on other platforms (mainly Mac). In the past, I had used > Windowmaker as my window manager and a few GNUstep apps (GNUmail, > mainly). > > Is GNUstep still a useful platform; is it popular? I see that there > have been some recent releases of the API tools, but sometimes it's > difficult to tell how pervasive a platform is. "Actively developed" > can sometimes mean that three hackers continue to work on something > that everyone else has abandoned :D > > I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus > prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too > bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation. I've not tried XFCE yet, > but hear good things. > > I really do enjoy the NeXT/OPEN/AFTER/step environment, but don't want > to get reacquainted with something that's dying a slow death :( > There was a recent major release of WindowMaker to 0.91. I don't think it is dying at all. To the best I can figure, there are still many actively developed GNUstep apps out there, with new ones occasionally popping up. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpmz4S1an7mJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LIBSTDC++-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 07:50:49PM +0300, Bogdan Sicleru wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 11:19 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > The JAR file that contains com/zerog/lax/LAX is not in your classpath. > > You need > > to set your CLASSPATH to include it, or pass the -cp option on the > > command line. > > > > -Roberto > > > > -- > > Roberto C. Sanchez > > http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr > > > > > I tried to pass the -cp option but still don't work. > > BCS:/home/bogdans/Linux# ./setup.bin -cp > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: > com/zerog/lax/LAX > > could you tell me how exactly I have to set my CLASSPATH ? > No I can't. Here is why: * I have no idea where com/zerog/lax/LAX exists on your system * Even if you could tell me which JAR file contains it, I don't know where that file is on your system. * I don't know enough about your setup (JRE/JDK, version, other environment settings). Incidentally, why are you using this particular program and not one that is already in Debian? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgp7k9V515Vcv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Sid: latest upgrade broke kmail
Hi all, I upgraded my sid today and kmail crashes when started. The debugger says, there's a segfault in QString in libqt-mt.so.3, but while knode and e.g. kdevelop3 is not affected, I could not believe it's QString, because this class is used almost everywhere at KDE (at least I think it is). The problem has been reported in an italian newsgroup, but as I dont speak italien, I posted it here. Does anyone else have this problem? Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
On Thu, July 7, 2005 11:11 am, Andy Smith said: >> If the first hard drive crashes how do you recover? > > You restore from backups or do a new install. > There has got to be a better solution than that. I never want to consider my backups to be a first line of defense against hardware failure. I would definately create a step by step disaster recovery guide for debian software raid and make it available if anybody would find it interesting. It seems that there are many methods to set up a raid, however no one has a method to repair a raid. Sources used: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html debian mailing list In that spirit I have set up the following: Debian 3.1r0a IDE 1-4 each with a 2 GB and a 38 GB RAID configured using Debian software RAID tool RAID 1 = 2 GB ext3 /boot (from disks 1 & 3) RAID 1 = 2 GB swap (from disks 2 & 4) RAID 5 = 114 GB ext3 / (from disks 1,2,3,4) Results: If I replace hard drive 1 I am unable to boot. Using the grub boot disk and pointing at hd 2,0 generates the following messages: md2 No spare disk to reconstruct array! continuing in degraded mode EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! How do I get the OS to recognize the spare disk now, after the failure? If the RAID 1 was truly working would it have not booted? Is there another setting on my boot floppy that would help here? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: totem not running
Brice Méalier on 07/07/05 16:06, wrote: On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:22:14AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote : I have run totem for six months without a hitch. Yesterday I had a problem with gnome-panel and had to delete my complete gnome configuration by removing the directories .gnome, .gconf, .nautilus, .metacity. This cured my windows manager problem. However now totem will not run. I tried to launch a .wmv file and I think you have to reinstall the package of the win32codecs or to reconfigure it (take it from the marillat archive). This one install some links to the codec in your .gnome* directory (I don't remember this one). This was exactly the problem. I reinstalled w32codecs and totem has come back to life. Thanks v. much Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNUstep still kicking?
I too have loved windowmaker... i'm not using it right now (i've been wondering about the development status myself). Anyway, the thing i've been using lately is openbox. It's rad because it can still run the windowmaker dock-apps you're used to, and it's pretty customizeable. The only thing that needs tweakin (if i'm not so lazy i'll get around to it sometime) is their is apparently no international support in the menus/titles. It's really easy on your resources so it's good for legacy hardware or whatever. check it out. Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 7/7/05, Meistro Master <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've recently come back to Debian after several years of disappointing > work on other platforms (mainly Mac). In the past, I had used > Windowmaker as my window manager and a few GNUstep apps (GNUmail, > mainly). > > Is GNUstep still a useful platform; is it popular? I see that there > have been some recent releases of the API tools, but sometimes it's > difficult to tell how pervasive a platform is. "Actively developed" > can sometimes mean that three hackers continue to work on something > that everyone else has abandoned :D > > I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus > prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too > bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation. I've not tried XFCE yet, > but hear good things. > > I really do enjoy the NeXT/OPEN/AFTER/step environment, but don't want > to get reacquainted with something that's dying a slow death :( > > > Thanks for any tips > > --maestro > >
Re: Creating a task launcher.....
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Brice Méalier wrote: > There something that you can try to do instead of double-clicking on > item (this way you'll also experience the user-friendliness of linux): > open a terminal (gnome-terminal or Konsole under KDE (yeah this ugly > command line)) and type 'fire' and hit twice the TAB key, that will give > you every command beginning with fire including firefox! If the command > needs some more argument, it will tell it to you! so according to these > messages, you'll be able to see what went wrong! I'd say that we should just keep new users away from the command line. I do all my work there, but it ceased to be the best way for new users to interact with a computer about 15 years ago. The problem with the command line (just to resurrect a horse long enough to flail it) is that it doesn't tell you what your options are. In a GUI, you have menus that list the full extent of what's available to you. The command line has the full expressive power of language, with all the complexities that that entails. Sometimes -- often -- limiting choice makes things more usable. (Ask a recent immigrant about his or her first time in an American grocery store, for an idea.) You come to the command line, for instance, and you ask yourself 'How do I launch my web browser?' How will you know even that your web browser starts with 'fire'? Tab-completion only works if you know what the filename is. The better approach for new users is to have a menu like GNOME's: Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Though I think Firefox should be labeled 'Firefox web browser,' but they're on their way. > Well ok! but don't look to much at this! after some reading on the unix > filesystems you will understand that you can't not do such equivalent > between unix and win (I don't blame someone here). So take it for half > right for now, you'll understand that with some practice. Mmm ... give me an example of an executable file that a) most new users would encounter and b) is *not* in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, or /usr/sbin. Granted, sometimes apps are in ~/bin, but new users will not encounter that. The odds are overwhelming that any app you want will be in one of the four directories that I listed. -- Stephen R. Laniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] +(617) 308-5571 http://laniels.org/ PGP key: http://laniels.org/slaniel.key signature.asc Description: Digital signature
GNUstep still kicking?
I've recently come back to Debian after several years of disappointing work on other platforms (mainly Mac). In the past, I had used Windowmaker as my window manager and a few GNUstep apps (GNUmail, mainly). Is GNUstep still a useful platform; is it popular? I see that there have been some recent releases of the API tools, but sometimes it's difficult to tell how pervasive a platform is. "Actively developed" can sometimes mean that three hackers continue to work on something that everyone else has abandoned :D I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation. I've not tried XFCE yet, but hear good things. I really do enjoy the NeXT/OPEN/AFTER/step environment, but don't want to get reacquainted with something that's dying a slow death :( Thanks for any tips --maestro
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
> You never mentioned a RAID controller so I assumed software RAID. > If you have a hardware RAID controller then the steps are usually > unique to that hardware and you need to consult its documentation. > That would be a typo - I have no raid controllor - just IDE. What I should have said was when I reran the software raid part of the sarge setup I noticed that it listed the drive as ntfs. an aside: what is the command to invoke the raid software w/o using the setup disk? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot burn audio tracks with cdrecord
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:10:41 +0100 Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have this problem in both Stable (Sarge) and Unstable with kernel > 2.6.8-2-386. I have two .wav files (recorded with sound-recorder). I > can burn a CD with cdrecord using either one of the files, and the > result is a playable audio CD. > > If I burn a disc using both files, the CD will not play on a software > audio player or on audio hi-fi equipment. The commands I have tried > are > > cdrecord -eject -v -tao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav > cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav > cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=/dev/hdc *.wav. > > The same problem occurs using XCDRoast and k3b (which both use > cdrecord). > > I can burn the .wav files using the -data switch, transfer them to a > Windoze machine and burn an audio CD sucessfully there. > > Has anyone been able to burn a multi-track audio CD in Sarge? > > > Chris. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is an older script I have used; cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdd -useinfo -v speed=16 -pad -eject fs=64992k driveropts=burnfree -dao -audio *.wav It looks similar to what you are using though. -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgpMXlpBOi4Pg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 11:57:01AM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: > On Thu, July 7, 2005 11:11 am, Andy Smith said: > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:53:34AM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: > >> I have been experiementing with the RAID stuff in Debian 3.1r0a > >> > >> In this experiment I configured as follows: > >> 1st Hard Drive > >> /boot 400mb > >> swap 2GB > >> partition for Raid volume 37 GB > >> > >> 2nd - 4th HD > >> partition for Raid volume 37 GB. > > > > [...] > > > > When I was reworking the raid I noticed that the hard drive that I had > replaced earlier was NTFS instead of ext3. I take it that the raid > controller does not reformat the drive to support the change? What are > the proper steps (or where are they located) for replacing a raid drive? You never mentioned a RAID controller so I assumed software RAID. If you have a hardware RAID controller then the steps are usually unique to that hardware and you need to consult its documentation. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
On Thu, July 7, 2005 11:11 am, Andy Smith said: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:53:34AM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: >> I have been experiementing with the RAID stuff in Debian 3.1r0a >> >> In this experiment I configured as follows: >> 1st Hard Drive >> /boot 400mb >> swap 2GB >> partition for Raid volume 37 GB >> >> 2nd - 4th HD >> partition for Raid volume 37 GB. > > [...] > When I was reworking the raid I noticed that the hard drive that I had replaced earlier was NTFS instead of ext3. I take it that the raid controller does not reformat the drive to support the change? What are the proper steps (or where are they located) for replacing a raid drive? I did reconfigure with a 2gb and a 37 GB partition per device w the /boot and swap each raid 1. Seems to be working so far. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LIBSTDC++-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 11:19 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Quoting Bogdan Sicleru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 08:37 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > >> Tha package you want is called libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 and is in the > >> oldlibs section of _Woody_. > >> > >> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=LIBSTDC%2B%2B-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=oldstable&arch=i386 > >> > >> -Roberto > > > > > > Thanks.You were right and I managed to pass over that error. > > But now I encountered something else: > > > > BCS:/home/bogdans/Linux# ./setup.bin > > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/zerog/lax/LAX > > Any ideas? > > The JAR file that contains com/zerog/lax/LAX is not in your classpath. > You need > to set your CLASSPATH to include it, or pass the -cp option on the > command line. > > -Roberto > > -- > Roberto C. Sanchez > http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr > > I tried to pass the -cp option but still don't work. BCS:/home/bogdans/Linux# ./setup.bin -cp Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/zerog/lax/LAX could you tell me how exactly I have to set my CLASSPATH ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie selecting package manager
Elmer E. Dow wrote: After having used Red Hat 9 and Knoppix (hard disk install), I installed Sarge a while ago and plan to stick with it. Now I need to select a package manager to use that fits my needs. My laptop is used for office applications (creating documents, some graphics, presentation, browsing, e-mail, etc.) and I don't anticipate installing and removing too many applications. I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather then Aptitude. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over the long haul? Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning methods? If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? Or is this just a matter of preference? - Elmer E. Dow If you like synaptic, you can stick with it for now. But in the mean time learn apt-get. Sometimes you want to do things which are (easy to do|possible only) from the command line. Then apt-get comes in handy. Regarding aptitude vs. apt-get, it is a religious war. You can choose either one. Both have its advantages and disadvantages. I started with apt-get and it fulfilled all my requirements, so I never felt like learning aptitude. If I had started with aptitude, probably the opposite thing would have happened. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi Graduate Student, MAE Cornell University http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [OT] linking table of contents in a dvi file
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:09:19AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > you may or may not know that as we speak some great soul is hacking away > on making TeXLive for Debian! There are many details that needed to be > taken care of in respect to Debian and TexLive. But hopefully it will be > in Etch! (search -devel for some details) Hi Kevin, I think you missed my earlier post. Here is what I wrote: > > If you do not mind, I have a suggestion. Remove tetex-* and install texlive. > > The package collection is very good. Saves you the botheration of > > downloading lot of things whenevr you need them. Good news is texlive is > > currently being packaged for debian. (Ref: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/07/msg00617.html) Better is when tetex-3 makes it to etch :-) Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. -- A. R. Longworth signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Cannot burn audio tracks with cdrecord
I have this problem in both Stable (Sarge) and Unstable with kernel 2.6.8-2-386. I have two .wav files (recorded with sound-recorder). I can burn a CD with cdrecord using either one of the files, and the result is a playable audio CD. If I burn a disc using both files, the CD will not play on a software audio player or on audio hi-fi equipment. The commands I have tried are cdrecord -eject -v -tao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=ATA:1,0,0 *.wav cdrecord -eject -v -dao speed=16 -audio -pad dev=/dev/hdc *.wav. The same problem occurs using XCDRoast and k3b (which both use cdrecord). I can burn the .wav files using the -data switch, transfer them to a Windoze machine and burn an audio CD sucessfully there. Has anyone been able to burn a multi-track audio CD in Sarge? Chris. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID 5 questions (software)
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:53:34AM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: > I have been experiementing with the RAID stuff in Debian 3.1r0a > > In this experiment I configured as follows: > 1st Hard Drive > /boot 400mb > swap 2GB > partition for Raid volume 37 GB > > 2nd - 4th HD > partition for Raid volume 37 GB. [...] > If the first hard drive crashes how do you recover? You restore from backups or do a new install. > I pulled it out, put > in a brand new drive, inserted my boot floppy, and of course had no kernel > to boot. Is there a way to set it up so that I could have a back up boot > sector on the other hard drives? On a regular hardware raid system I > would have set up raid 1 for my boot disks and raid 5 for my data disks. > Since I am limited to just 4 hard drives I obviously can't do that here. Why? Put a partition for /boot, swap and RAID5 on every disk then do RAID1 across the /boot and swap partitions. A 4-way mirror is a bit excessive so you could just put /boot on two of them and swap on another two. As long as the partitions you want to put into a RAID1 or RAID5 are the same size there will be no issues with Linux software RAID. Also consider RAID10 rather than RAID5 if you can spare the disk space; it has better performance and better redundancy. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Raid on Sarge
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 08:16:22AM -0700, h2t-nl wrote: > The main interested part of my question is whether somebody on the list > already using or tested with somekind of sata controller! Almost none of the SATA controllers that advertise RAID are real hardware RAID; the RAID features of them are not worth using, so use Linux software RAID there. I do software RAID on Silicon Image SATA controllers; it works fine. > And if that is the case can he/she share with me the config > steps/installtion steps to achieve the raid0 & raid1 environment. Describe the "raid0 & raid1 environment" that you want to end up with? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RAID 5 questions (software)
I have been experiementing with the RAID stuff in Debian 3.1r0a In this experiment I configured as follows: 1st Hard Drive /boot 400mb swap 2GB partition for Raid volume 37 GB 2nd - 4th HD partition for Raid volume 37 GB. A few questions have came up: When I replace a hard drive (simulated crash) in RAID 5 do I have to do any configuration to make it work? When I tested this it appeared to just take off, however I could not even find a log entry that it had actually done anything. If the first hard drive crashes how do you recover? I pulled it out, put in a brand new drive, inserted my boot floppy, and of course had no kernel to boot. Is there a way to set it up so that I could have a back up boot sector on the other hard drives? On a regular hardware raid system I would have set up raid 1 for my boot disks and raid 5 for my data disks. Since I am limited to just 4 hard drives I obviously can't do that here. Even if I were to leave the first drive out of the raid mix, the question still stands, how do I recover if that hard drive fails? -- Disclaimer: This communication represents the official view of the voices in my head and should not be confused with whatever voices you are hearing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
external USB acomdata drive
I am trying to mount an external 80GB acomdata usb drive on a Sarge laptop with a 2.6.12 kernel. I get the following output from hotplug in syslog: Jul 7 08:16:00 moonglum kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1 Jul 7 08:16:00 moonglum kernel: hub 4-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1 Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: ub(4.3): GetMaxLUN returned 0, using 1 LUNs Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: ub(4.3): resid 8 len 8 act 8 Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: ub: reading capacity: error -5 Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: ub(4.3): resid 8 len 8 act 8 Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: ub: reading capacity: error -5 Jul 7 08:16:03 moonglum kernel: hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [DMI ?;\205?q$*? WD800UE-00HCT0 ] on usb-:00:1d.7-1 Jul 7 08:16:04 moonglum usb.agent[6058]: usbhid: already loaded Jul 7 08:16:05 moonglum usb.agent[6045]: ub: already loaded Jul 7 08:16:05 moonglum usb.agent[6045]: usb-storage: already loaded Jul 7 08:16:05 moonglum udev[6139]: creating device node '/dev/uba' Jul 7 08:16:05 moonglum udev[6144]: configured rule in '/etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules[23]' applied, 'hiddev0' becomes 'usb/%k' Jul 7 08:16:05 moonglum udev[6144]: creating device node '/dev/usb/hiddev0' However, when I try and mount the drive, I can an error saying wrong fstype: % sudo mount -t vfat /dev/uba /mnt/extdrive mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/uba, missing codepage or other error (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so I verified that the filesystem is fat32 by mounting it on my work laptop (WinXP). Can someone give me a hint on what to do next or what further information I might need to provide? I think that all the correct kernel modules are loaded... % lsmod Module Size Used by sd_mod 19984 0 vfat 14080 0 fat54172 1 vfat i830 28928 1 drm68244 2 i830 af_packet 22920 2 ipv6 265536 8 orinoco_cs 9352 1 orinoco43020 1 orinoco_cs hermes 7552 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco pcmcia 28040 7 orinoco_cs autofs419972 0 realtime 11024 0 tsdev 7744 0 mousedev 11936 1 joydev 9920 0 evdev 9600 0 parport_pc 36548 0 parport38088 1 parport_pc psmouse31108 0 rtc13752 0 8139cp 21248 0 snd_intel8x0m 19780 0 snd_intel8x0 33984 0 snd_ac97_codec 83320 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss53536 0 snd_mixer_oss 19840 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm95240 4 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pc m_oss snd_timer 25860 1 snd_pcm snd57732 7 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pc m_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 10080 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10244 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm i2c_i8018972 0 i2c_core 22416 1 i2c_i801 shpchp102244 0 pci_hotplug30644 1 shpchp intel_agp 23580 1 agpgart36424 3 drm,intel_agp usbhid 35424 0 usb_storage66368 0 scsi_mod 145224 2 sd_mod,usb_storage ub 20380 0 ehci_hcd 35464 0 uhci_hcd 33552 0 usbcore 127228 6 usbhid,usb_storage,ub,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd 8139too26752 0 mii 5760 2 8139cp,8139too crc32 4480 2 8139cp,8139too yenta_socket 23688 4 rsrc_nonstatic 13696 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core51972 4 orinoco_cs,pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic ac 4996 0 battery10244 0 thermal13576 0 processor 22836 1 thermal fan 4740 0 button 6800 0 ide_cd 43652 0 cdrom 41504 1 ide_cd ext3 144392 2 jbd62488 1 ext3 mbcache10628 1 ext3 ide_disk 19200 4 ide_generic 1408 0 [permanent] via82cxxx 12444 0 [permanent] trm290 4484 0 [permanent] triflex 3840 0 [permanent] slc90e665888 0 [permanent] sis551316648 0 [permanent] siimage12672 0 [permanent] serverworks 9096 0 [permanent] sc1200 7424 0 [permanent] rz1000
Re: Newbie selecting package manager
On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 21:42 -0600, Elmer E. Dow wrote: > After having used Red Hat 9 and Knoppix (hard disk install), I installed > Sarge > a while ago and plan to stick with it. All support to you. > Now I need to select a package manager > to use that fits my needs. My laptop is used for office tapplications > (creating documents, some graphics, presentation, browsing, e-mail, etc.) and > I don't anticipate installing and removing too many applications. > okay > I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather > then Aptitude. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over > the long haul? May be... > > Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning > methods? If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? Or is this just a matter of > preference? Aptitude gives you a GUI... I recommend using apt it is very stable as well for security reasons. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Raid on Sarge
Hi Roman, It´s oke to me regarding the subject.. Are you talking about SATA raid here or ATA raid? Because I want to use SATA raid. In my case it doesn´t really matter which raid is to be active. If SW raid as good as the HW raid then I can life with that. The main interested part of my question is whether somebody on the list already using or tested with somekind of sata controller! And if that is the case can he/she share with me the config steps/installtion steps to achieve the raid0 & raid1 environment. Tia. Regards, Hok Hie
Fwd: iptables related query
Hi, I have aked kind of the same question regarding iptable last week. Look through replies and you'get an idea on how to start with your own iptables scripts from scratch :-) Regards, Yuriy -- Forwarded message -- From: J.A. de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jul 4, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: iptables related query To: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 2005-07-03 @ 21:40:06 (week 26) Mal Beaton wrote: > I prefer to use sub chains to identify from the internet or from > internal etc I do too, but as the corresponding webpage states: Note that this ruleset is written with readability and clearness in mind so anyone can fathom it. Thus it is optimized for understandability and not for speed. For a standard workstation or a server with limited amounts of traffic that won't pose any problem. In an environment with huge amounts of traffic or where Network Address Translation is used a more complicated ruleset will be needed. I might redo it though (if I find the time)... > I also learnt from a very experienced firewall administrator to use the > long switches so anyone else can easily read the scripts That's very sound advice, which I couldn't agree with more. Grx HdV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mc confusion
> ok it works correctly, even if to do what mc-help says i have to press the > "Esc" key because the > M-Tab or C-Tab combination do dimply what they have ever done: > - switch between windows > - switch between panels > > while the meta keys do not do anything (they are useless like the windows > logo over them...) my understanding is that Escape *is* the Meta key (the 'useless' one is undefined) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing sarge to lvm
Rick Pasotto said: > > That certainly makes sense but HOW DO I DO IT? The installer gives me no > option either to format (select fstype) the logical volumes nor to > specify a mount point. The installer creates the volume groups and > logical volumes but then does nothing with them. When I set up LVM on my server, I spanned a volume over 3 disks. Once I configured the drives as LVM, I noticed there was a seperate partition with the mount point I specified in the LVM configuration tool. It was at the bottom of the list of partitions and I was able to select the filesystem that way. > The installer installs *everything* into /. There are several different preset partitioning schemes available in addition to the one that installs everything into /. I personally like to partition for a multi-user workstation. -- - Josh www.omg-stfu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for Mentor
"Tom Allison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been sitting on the list for a while now and am interested in > creating a series of deb packages for perl modules. But I think I need > a mentor to introduce me to how things work and what my first reading > list or RTFM should be. > > This is an open call for someone to point me inthe right direction for > getting hooked up on making real packages for real people. You should check the alioth project related to perl packages: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-perl/ or contact the dedicated perl debian list: mailto:debian-perl@lists.debian.org HTH -- Dominique Dumont "Delivering successful solutions requires giving people what they need, not what they want." Kurt Bittner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LIBSTDC++-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2
Quoting Bogdan Sicleru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 08:37 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Tha package you want is called libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 and is in the oldlibs section of _Woody_. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=LIBSTDC%2B%2B-LIBC6.1-1.SO.2&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=oldstable&arch=i386 -Roberto Thanks.You were right and I managed to pass over that error. But now I encountered something else: BCS:/home/bogdans/Linux# ./setup.bin Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/zerog/lax/LAX Any ideas? The JAR file that contains com/zerog/lax/LAX is not in your classpath. You need to set your CLASSPATH to include it, or pass the -cp option on the command line. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mc confusion
--- Lorenzo Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > roberto's comments on mc confusion were as follows: > # what is "M-Tab" "M-Enter" "C-Enter" and so-on... > "M-Tab", or Alt-Tab is the mc equivalent to the Tab key in the shell. It does > command-line completion. > > "M-Enter", or Alt-Enter puts the currently selected file on the command line. > > "C-Enter" or control-Enter does the same as Alt-Enter, but there is a caution > that it may not work on remote systems or some terminals. ok it works correctly, even if to do what mc-help says i have to press the "Esc" key because the M-Tab or C-Tab combination do dimply what they have ever done: - switch between windows - switch between panels while the meta keys do not do anything (they are useless like the windows logo over them...) thank you Roberto Debian Sarge kernel 2.6.8 ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: totem not running
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:22:14AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote : > I have run totem for six months without a hitch. > > Yesterday I had a problem with gnome-panel and had to delete my complete > gnome configuration by removing the directories .gnome, .gconf, > .nautilus, .metacity. This cured my windows manager problem. > > However now totem will not run. I tried to launch a .wmv file and > nothing happened. I then killed the totem process, since not even a > window had appeared. I got this error in .xsession-errors: > > > wine/module: Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: wmv8ds32.ax, > /usr/lib/win32/wmv8ds32.ax, /usr/local/lib/win32/wmv8ds32.ax > Warning: DS_Filter() could not open DirectShow DLL. (DLL=wmv8ds32.ax, > r=0x0) > Failed to create DirectShow filter > External func OLEAUT32.dll:8 > Creating new registry > DMO dll supports VO Optimizations 0 1 > DMO dll might use previous sample when requested > GetOutput r=0x0 size:230400 align:1 > StreamCount r=0x0 1 1 > Decoder supports the following YUV formats: YV12 YUY2 UYVY YVYU > Decoder is capable of YUV output (flags 0x1b) I think you have to reinstall the package of the win32codecs or to reconfigure it (take it from the marillat archive). This one install some links to the codec in your .gnome* directory (I don't remember this one). -- Brice Méalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user nb. 372699 Debian Sarge
Re: Creating a task launcher.....
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 05:58:18PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote : > On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 02:48:36PM -0700, Redefined Horizons wrote: > > I'd like to make a task launcher that opens an application I have > > installed on my Debian system with Synaptic. > > I don't think you mean Synaptic. Or maybe I just got my > binding wrong. You're saying that > > 1) You installed an app on your system using Synaptic, and > now > 2) You'd like to make a task launcher for it. > > If I got that right, what do you mean by 'task launcher'? > I know Windows quite well, but I'm not sure what you mean. > Do you mean that you'd like to be able to double-click on > something and make it run a given application? > > If you're using GNOME (and if you are, you'll probably see a > little foot icon at the top left of your screen), > right-click on your desktop to create an icon there which > will launch whatever application you're interested in. > > > Where do I find the file to link to? Am I looking for an ".exe" > > extension, or something else? > > Nearly every Linux program is in one of four places: > > /usr/bin/ > /bin/ > /sbin > /usr/sbin > > Of those, the first contains by far the largest number of > programs. On my machine the number of files in /usr/bin is > four times the total from the other three. /usr/bin is where > you'll look for most of what you want. > > However, you shouldn't have to look there very often. Your > GNOME menus probably already contain a menu item for every > program you care about. > > But let's say you wanted to create a shortcut on your > desktop so that you could double-click and run Firefox. You > could look in /usr/bin (from within Nautilus, say) and see > that there's a file called 'firefox' there. On my machine, > 'firefox' is listed as a 'link to shell script' in Nautilus. > If you double-click on it, it runs the web browser. So now > you know that your browser is /usr/bin/firefox. > > So now right-click on the GNOME desktop. Click 'Create > Launcher'. Fill in the form in there: 'Name' is 'Firefox'. > 'Generic Name' is, I would suppose, 'web browser' (though I > never fill in that field). 'Command' is '/usr/bin/firefox', > though I believe just 'firefox' alone would do it. > > This may be too much explanation. I may not even be > explaining what you're after. So I'll leave it there and see > if you have any questions. Well let talk about my personal experience as I was a window user before! The main thing that can be problematic for noobs is that some programs do NOT run either graphically or from the command line (the equivalent of the MS-DOS mode if you want) without that you give then some arguments on the command line... That's something really difficult at the beginning under linux (hmmm at least to me -:)... There something that you can try to do instead of double-clicking on item (this way you'll also experience the user-friendliness of linux): open a terminal (gnome-terminal or Konsole under KDE (yeah this ugly command line)) and type 'fire' and hit twice the TAB key, that will give you every command beginning with fire including firefox! If the command needs some more argument, it will tell it to you! so according to these messages, you'll be able to see what went wrong! That's something you will appreciate a lot! > > > On Windows I look for the .exe, which is often in C:\Programs. I'm > > trying to figure out the Debian equivalent. > > You mean C:\Program Files, don't you? I just want to make > sure we're talking about the same thing. /usr/bin is > basically the equivalent of C:\Program Files. > Well ok! but don't look to much at this! after some reading on the unix filesystems you will understand that you can't not do such equivalent between unix and win (I don't blame someone here). So take it for half right for now, you'll understand that with some practice. Keep on going! it's often difficult at the beginning but suddently you'll see the logic in the unix world and find it really perfect! after that you won't be able to work for a long time under win... -- Brice Méalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user nb. 372699 Debian Sarge -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Raid on Sarge
Hi, (I changed the subject so to find it will be more easy for people googleing or the like. I hope) I have no idea about raid 10, but these are the important things I found about raid on sarge 1) Cheap fake raid cards as Promise (I don't know if this is the case), etc, don't work on 2.6. You could get them working on 2.4, but you'll need to log into 2nd console before partitioning to do modprobe pdcraid in order to get the ataraid device recognized 2) You need to boot from a raid1 partition, say, /boot. Otherwise you'll get grub errors, also probably lilo will fail to boot. 3) Linux swraid is as good as fake hardware raid and a lot more flexible, say, you can set raid1 and raid0 devices, while a fakeraid card tipically lets you only set your disks as raid0 or raid1. So it's better to disable the "raid" feature, usually by changing a jumper on the board. Of course, if you do so, you'll be probably unable to get raid working on windoze Cheers Roman On 7 Jul 2005 06:29:42 -0700 "h2t-nl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Somebody can share his/her experience for Raid10 configuration on > Debian Sarge using e.g. Promise S150 SX4-M or Adaptec 2410SA > controller card. > > Which config is adviseable? Using HW-raid or Linux SW-raid. > > Your feedback will be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Hok Hie > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mc confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 roberto's comments on mc confusion were as follows: # what is "M-Tab" "M-Enter" "C-Enter" and so-on... "M-Tab", or Alt-Tab is the mc equivalent to the Tab key in the shell. It does command-line completion. "M-Enter", or Alt-Enter puts the currently selected file on the command line. "C-Enter" or control-Enter does the same as Alt-Enter, but there is a caution that it may not work on remote systems or some terminals. Bacically, C- stands for the Control key, M- stands for the Alt key and S- stands for the Shift key. If you see aimething like C-x t, that tells you to press Control-x followed by t. If you see something like C-x p, C-x C-p, it tells you that if you press Control-x followed by p or Control-x followed by Control-p, both key sequences perform similar tasks. HTH, Lorenzo - -- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:+ a- C+++ UL P+ L+++ E- W++ N o K- w--- O M V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+ X+ R tv-- b++ DI-- D+ G e* h r+++ y+++ - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCzUBlG9IpekrhBfIRAml+AJ9q4TP/CfCU/HnnYTY8MET5EnQDdwCfYRvV MnsGQ2Jf94YQwFi168xMbcY= =2x8i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
firewall and Xresolution ?
Hello Debian people, I'm new on Debian. I have worked before with RH, Mandrake and fedora mainlly. I've just intalled a new Debian and have 2 questions 1) is there a simple way interfaces to setting up a simple firewall (blocking all except http and ssh), some scritp or some GUI... ? 2) the same for reconfiguring the screen resolution ? Thanks jmf __ Para grandes mails, grandes contas Portugalmail: 2 000 MB de espaço http://www.portugalmail.pt/2000mb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mc confusion
roberto wrote: Hi, i'm trying to use mc for file managing and i'm currently stuck at the help description of mc where they tell you the shortcuts for "shell command line"; just try to do: F1 > Contents > Shell Command Line then you see a list of shortcuts for using command line but i do not understand what they refer to: what is "M-Tab" "M-Enter" "C-Enter" and so-on... i do not know what to type... The `M' means meta-key. This is usually alt or escape. `C' means Control. please help me to get used with mc help thank you! Roberto Debian Sarge kernel 2.6.8 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
mc confusion
Hi, i'm trying to use mc for file managing and i'm currently stuck at the help description of mc where they tell you the shortcuts for "shell command line"; just try to do: F1 > Contents > Shell Command Line then you see a list of shortcuts for using command line but i do not understand what they refer to: what is "M-Tab" "M-Enter" "C-Enter" and so-on... i do not know what to type... please help me to get used with mc help thank you! Roberto Debian Sarge kernel 2.6.8 ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim3, mbox, maildir, exim4
* Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0708 15:08]: > I would like to upgrade from exim3 to exim 4 (now that I have > upgraded from woody to sarge), and also from mbox to maildir > format. Should I upgrade the mailbox format before, during, or > after upgrading exim? Or are the two upgrades completely independent? They can be, I'd do it that way if I were you. > Does setting exim to use maildirs cause any conflicts for existing > mbox format files? Or can the new maildirs function properly > side-by-side with old mboxes until they are converted? In particular, > would the standard name for $USER's maildir be /var/mail/$USER, > in which case the mbox-formatted file there would have to go. You just tell exim to use a new path to the Maildir box, it shouldn't touch the old mboxes. Also, you do realise that Maildir isn't a single file, don't you? You talk as though it is... -- 'Cheer loudly at 8.00pm each Saturday to fool the neighbours into thinking you have won the Lottery.' -- Top Tips Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
