Re: SSH X11Forwarding not working - what am I doing wrong.

[David Kirchner]

On 11/11/05, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But nothing is happening.  Firstly, I would have expected on the remote
> machine for the DISPLAY variable to have been set to localhost:10.0, but it
> is unset, but even if I set it manually, there doesn't seem to be a channel
> there (X programs complain they can't connect to the display)
>
> My guess is that there is some other configuration (PAM or something like
> that) that I should also be tweaking to allow this.  Anyone any ideas what?

What does ssh -v say when you try to connect? I'm guessing it's something like:

debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing.

If so, you'll need to install the xbase-clients package to get xauth.

There may be some way to do this without "authentication spoofing",
but I don't know it.

Re: hello

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SSH X11Forwarding not working - what am I doing wrong.

[Alan Chandler]

For a long time now I have been bouncing around between three machines via 
ssh.   However up to now that has always been text based.  Whenever I wanted 
to use X across the network, I have set it up manually.

However, I increasingly need to regularly use an X program, so thought it 
about time I set up X11Forwarding.  One of the machines is a windows laptop 
and only ever acts as a the ssh client (using Putty), although it is running 
an X-server courtesy of Cygwin.  I have changed the setting on Putty to 
request X-forwarding.

The other two machines are running Debian, one Sarge, the other Unstable.  In 
both of these I have edited both /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config 
to include X11Forwarding.

(Snippet from /etc/ssh/ssh_config)=

# Site-wide defaults for various options

Host *
#   ForwardAgent no
ForwardX11 yes

=

(Snippet from /etc/ssh/sshd_config) 

X11Forwarding yes
X11UseLocalhost yes
X11DisplayOffset 10
=

But nothing is happening.  Firstly, I would have expected on the remote 
machine for the DISPLAY variable to have been set to localhost:10.0, but it 
is unset, but even if I set it manually, there doesn't seem to be a channel 
there (X programs complain they can't connect to the display)

My guess is that there is some other configuration (PAM or something like 
that) that I should also be tweaking to allow this.  Anyone any ideas what?



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Re: [Solved] Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

>There are sights ...
>
D'oh! "sites".

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Re: can't remove dir

[Eduardo Rocha Costa]

kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:


Anton wrote:


Good time.
I can't remove the dir 'remove'.Some months ago i move it from /tmp 
and rename
to 'remove'.I can copy it to another disk and remove from there , but 
i can't

delete it .I don't know what to think .See the outputs :
==
inf  5:32# rm -rf remove
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private/h': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove': Directory not empty



What about the permissions of the directory inside which 'remove' is 
located. In order to remove a directory you need to have write 
permissions on its parent directory. Also I see that you are doing all 
these as root (from the # prompt) Is that correct? In that case look 
out for the LDAP settings also.


bye
raju


Hi, all
Sorry for my english
I'm returning to this list after a time out.

I had the same situation, a month ago, but in my case, the server was 
invaded.

I can't remove only one file, and I have the root of the server.

To solve, reinstall the server, only this, but I want to know the 
correct answer too..


Thanks.
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Re: [Solved] Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4

[Kent West]

David R. Litwin wrote:

>
> AFAIK
>
>
> What does that mean?

As Far As I Know.

There are sights that list the common acronyms. I don't have a link, but
if you're interested, you can just google for it.

BTW, "btw" is a TLA, just FYI.

(Sorry.)

> There is another problem, though. KDE does not start under my normal
> user. When I try from KDM, X crashes because it brings me right back
> to the sign in screen (KDM). When I try to log in via console and do a
> startx (or startkde), it gives a list of things things which I wrote
> down but don't currently have. Essentially, it can't find display " ".
> I would think that, some how, my normal user is lacking an X server
> start file. But, I don't really know.
>
I suspect, if you're running Sid, that you've run into a fairly common
issue of /tmp/.ICE-unix file not belonging to root. "chmod -R root.root
/tmp/.ICE-unix" should fix this is this is the problem.

If KDM is running when you try to "startx", you'll need to specify
"startx -- :1" or something similar, or stop KDM first to do a normal
"startx".

> Perhaps, since this is so different, I should start a new thread?

Yes, probably.

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Re: can't use usb

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 06:18:52PM -0800, la matinee wrote:
> Dear sir/madam,
>  
> My name is Matinee, I have the problem with my computer. it can't find USB 
> Removable.
> i use Red Hat Linux V9.0
> Please help me sir.

Okay: since Red Hat is a commercial distribution now, you should contact Red
Hat for help.  You could also look here:

https://www.redhat.com/apps/support/

This mailing list is for Debian GNU/Linux, which is not Red Hat.  
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Re: can't remove dir

[Anton]

Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:22:46PM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi написал:

Anton wrote:


Good time.
I can't remove the dir 'remove'.Some months ago i move it from /tmp 
and rename
to 'remove'.I can copy it to another disk and remove from there , but 
i can't

delete it .I don't know what to think .See the outputs :
==
inf  5:32# rm -rf remove
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private/h': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove': Directory not empty


What about the permissions of the directory inside which 'remove' is 
located. In order to remove a directory you need to have write 
permissions on its parent directory. Also I see that you are doing all 
these as root (from the # prompt) Is that correct? In that case look out 
for the LDAP settings also.

It is inside 'hdd1' dir .User 'l' is a usual user .
See the outputs:
===
inf  7:25# ls -la
drwxr-xr-x6 root 4096 Авг 26 22:25 ./
drwxr-xr-x   23 root 4096 Окт 18 14:05 ../
drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 Апр  4  2005 flash1/
drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 Апр  4  2005 flash2/
drwxr-xr-x   23 root 4096 Авг  2 13:45 hdc5/
drwxr-xr-x   13 l4096 Июн  1 09:05 hdd1/
inf  7:26# 
===

I do it as root , because i cant delete it as user ('l').
And i haven't any LDAP servers ,it's a home PC .

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Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 06:17:17PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:

> I would have stopped at "not tuned."  Debian doesn't make stupid assumptions
> as to how you're going to use the machine.  This is a feature, not an
> oversight.

It's not an oversight, certainly.  Philosophically Debian goes for
flexibility and giving the administrator maximum power and choice.  This is
at the expense of ease-of-installation by someone who just wants to put the
CD in, make two or three selections, click OK, and half an hour later start
working.

I use Debian, but I'm a professional system administrator.  I (and
apparently the Debian leaders) see value in Ubuntu, Progeny, and the rest as
alternatives for people who DON'T want to spend years educating themselves
before using their computers.  I've read that one of the original goals of
the Debian project was to be the core of other, more specialized distros.
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Re: Request to remove Information

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 11 November 2005 11:39 pm, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > It's just like a stage magician saying, "Watch my hands, don't let me
> > distract you -- oh, oops!  Don't watch my hands so you don't see how I do
> > it."
>
> Hey now, Penn & Teller have made that their magic show for years.  :)

There's always got to be an exception--

-- and some smart alec to point it out!  ;-)

But Penn & Teller are an exception to almost every rule.  (And, since it's OT 
anyway -- I saw a documentary on Houdini the other day and Teller was one of 
the people interviewed.  It was really *strange* to hear him talk.  He was 
only shown in shadow, though.)


Hal


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

Hal Vaughan wrote:
> It's just like a stage magician saying, "Watch my hands, don't let me
> distract you -- oh, oops!  Don't watch my hands so you don't see how I do
> it."

Hey now, Penn & Teller have made that their magic show for years.  :)


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> WTF is all this crap? Set your mail client up RIGHT or FOAD.

Ah yes, another example of responsible use of an anonymous remailer.
You know, I've been known to be a right asshole in my years on this list and
other venues.  At least my name was attached to it and I'll own up to it.  If
you're going to use an anonymous remailer use it responsible.  If you're going
to be an asshole, use your real name or not at all.

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Re: Boot loader option

[李远亮]

在 2005-10-31一的 05:03 +0200，Mark Panen写道：
> Hi
> 
> I have installed sarge before but i forget now, is there an option to
> choose between installing grub to the MBR and to the /root ? I would
> not like to install to MBR.
Try install sarge in expert mode. See help after boot from CD. Press
F1~F12.

Re: Debian Volatile?

[Alan Ianson]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:05:20PM -0700, Mike wrote:
> Does anybody use Debian Volatile?
> 
> http://volatile.debian.net/
> 
> I am considering it but I don't know how good they do. I need 
> Spamassassin and ClamAV to keep up to make my sarge postfix servers 
> remain functional really. So any suggestions?

I haven't been using it for long but it seems good to me. It's
just for things like ClamAV and Spamassasin, keeps them updated
moreso than sarge. Exactly how much so I'm not sure. I just did
an update with dselect and got three new peices of clamav.

Have a look.


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[Solved] Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4

[David R. Litwin]

AFAIKWhat does that mean? Nonetheless, thank you for that information. It's nice to know that it won't break in the cold.
I've actually solved the mystery. It was the programme Azureus. My computer is very allergic to it. It froze every time. At least that is solved.There is another problem, though. KDE does not start under my normal user. When I try from KDM, X crashes because it brings me right back to the sign in screen (KDM). When I try to log in via console and do a startx (or startkde), it gives a list of things things which I wrote down but don't currently have. Essentially, it can't find display " ". I would think that, some how, my normal user is lacking an X server start file. But, I don't really know.
Perhaps, since this is so different, I should start a new thread?I thank you kindly.-- —A watched bread-crumb never boils.—My hover-craft is full of eels.—[...]and that's the he and the she of it.

Debian Volatile?

[Mike]

Does anybody use Debian Volatile?

http://volatile.debian.net/

I am considering it but I don't know how good they do. I need 
Spamassassin and ClamAV to keep up to make my sarge postfix servers 
remain functional really. So any suggestions?


-Mike


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 11 November 2005 12:45 pm, Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> Brad Sawatzky wrote:
> > I am afraid that the request is going to generate a much larger trail
> > than if it had been just left alone...
>
> A very good point.
>
> I knew nothing of the original message before ther removal request came
> along.
>
> This is going to end up on Slashdot...

Hey, I would have missed it entirely.

But the poster was kind enough to provide actual links to all the e-mails 
involved, so all I had to do was click on them and read what he didn't want 
posted.

It's just like a stage magician saying, "Watch my hands, don't let me distract 
you -- oh, oops!  Don't watch my hands so you don't see how I do it."

It just amazes me someone would make a request like that in public.

Hal


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Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Paul Johnson]

Ueli Meier wrote:

> Im thinking of getting Debian Linux, currently I use Mandrake but I need
> to upgrade.
> On the web I could not get the Information I was looking for.
> I read an article that was a bit confusing.
> It says if you want a Linux Desktop rather use coral Linux or Suse.

Corel is considered harmful.  Please search Slashdot for "SCO" if you need
reason (latest development:  SCO has requested all documents and code
relating to IBM's contribution to the Linux 2.7 kernel.  And 2.7 wasn't a
typo.).

> Is Debian more for server applications, or is it a true Desktop like
> Suse?

Quit focusing on buzzwords and just try it for yourself.  Chasing buzzword
compliance will always give you the least functional, most marketed option
available.

> Can I access the files on a dos partition?

Anything the Linux kernel can do, Debian can do at a minimum.

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Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 11 November 2005 09:17 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Thomas Jollans wrote:
> > debian is brilliant for everything, but, unlike ubuntu or suse or
> > mandriva, it is not tuned to be a desktop. this of course gives youa
> > great deal of flexibility.
>
> I would have stopped at "not tuned."  Debian doesn't make stupid
> assumptions as to how you're going to use the machine.  This is a feature,
> not an oversight.

It depends STRONGLY on your point of view.

Within the Debian framework, it would be quite possible to make it a great 
desktop system.  It would require more packages, but during the install, in 
package selection, another option for an easy to use desktop system could be 
added.  Doing so could include a number of packages targeted at making 
handling other configuration options easy for a newbie or non-tech person.

Just as Debian provides what is needed for a file server, print server, or 
many other types of systems, it could provide packages to help in ease of 
use.  It would require no more assumptions than the ones already made in the 
installer for the packages that are installed for servers -- for example, if 
I select "file server", I get Samba, whether I want to or not.  Even for a 
file server, that is an assumption.

It's just that the developers are more focused on adding what they find 
useful, from their point of view, than what others find useful from a 
different point of view.

Hal


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[Fwd: Re: can't remove dir]

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Hi Eduardo
  Please read the guidelines posted 
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html . Please 
keep replies on the list and also please bottom post to messages. I am 
forwarding your email to the list.


bye
raju

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: can't remove dir
Date:   Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:36:06 -0200
From:   Eduardo Rocha Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Hi, all
Sorry for my english
I'm returning to this list after a time out.

I had the same situation, a month ago, but in my case, the server was 
invaded.

I can't remove only one file, and I have the root of the server.

To solve, reinstall the server, only this, but I want to know the 
correct answer too..


Thanks.
Eduardo
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:


Anton wrote:


Good time.
I can't remove the dir 'remove'.Some months ago i move it from /tmp 
and rename
to 'remove'.I can copy it to another disk and remove from there , but 
i can't

delete it .I don't know what to think .See the outputs :
==
inf  5:32# rm -rf remove
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private/h': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove': Directory not empty



What about the permissions of the directory inside which 'remove' is 
located. In order to remove a directory you need to have write 
permissions on its parent directory. Also I see that you are doing all 
these as root (from the # prompt) Is that correct? In that case look 
out for the LDAP settings also.


bye
raju





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Re: Request to remove Information

[Paul Johnson]

Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:

> The following information should not have been made available to the
> entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
> earliest convenience.

Too late, should of thought of that before you posted.  Debian's website is
fr from the only place the Debian lists are archived; good luck
tracking down all hundred or so copies.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Katipo]

Paul Johnson wrote:


Scott wrote:

 


What I want to know is: who's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Oh.. and did you mean
to send this request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)
   



Carla Schroeder, former columnist for the now defunct Forest Grove, OR based
magazine "Computer Bits."  Well known in Oregon's Metro region and possibly
Phoenix, AZ depending on whether or not CB was still getting Phoenix
distribution after she came on board.

 

Now writes tutorials for IBM's Linux niche, runs her own consultancy, 
and I understand has written a book that I haven't caught up with yet.



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Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Paul Johnson]

Thomas Jollans wrote:

> debian is brilliant for everything, but, unlike ubuntu or suse or
> mandriva, it is not tuned to be a desktop. this of course gives youa great
> deal of flexibility.

I would have stopped at "not tuned."  Debian doesn't make stupid assumptions
as to how you're going to use the machine.  This is a feature, not an
oversight.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Paul Johnson]

Scott wrote:
 
> What I want to know is: who's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Oh.. and did you mean
> to send this request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)

Carla Schroeder, former columnist for the now defunct Forest Grove, OR based
magazine "Computer Bits."  Well known in Oregon's Metro region and possibly
Phoenix, AZ depending on whether or not CB was still getting Phoenix
distribution after she came on board.

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Re:can't use usb

[la matinee]

Dear sir/madam,
 
My name is Matinee, I have the problem with my computer. it can't find USB Removable.
i use Red Hat Linux V9.0
Please help me sir.
thank in advance.
 
Good bye!
		 Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

 

 

Re: Window manager/desktop environment that's not RAM-intensive

[Andy Gower]

> From: Robert Waldner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> That's not what I need: I need shortcuts to applications (and possibly=20
>  documents) _on the desktop_ - not accessed via some menu one has to=20
>  pop up before.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough.  Shortcuts to applications in IceWM can
be displayed as small icons on the taskbar next to IceWM's equivalent
of the "start" button from Windows.  This is a display style very
similar to the quick launch section of the Windows taskbar.


Here's a picture of the equivalent on IceWM:

Ignore the desktop icons, and check out the small icons on the taskbar.

Very true though that this will not help if you are looking for
shortcuts to documents, but it should satisfy the need for quick
access to frequently used applications.

Andy

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Re: can't remove dir

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Anton wrote:


Good time.
I can't remove the dir 'remove'.Some months ago i move it from /tmp 
and rename
to 'remove'.I can copy it to another disk and remove from there , but 
i can't

delete it .I don't know what to think .See the outputs :
==
inf  5:32# rm -rf remove
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private/h': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove': Directory not empty


What about the permissions of the directory inside which 'remove' is 
located. In order to remove a directory you need to have write 
permissions on its parent directory. Also I see that you are doing all 
these as root (from the # prompt) Is that correct? In that case look out 
for the LDAP settings also.


bye
raju

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Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Scott]

Alan Ianson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:29:44AM +, Ueli Meier wrote:
> 

> 
>>What is more flexibility, can I install less pakages than with other
>>desktops and save harddisk space and memory?
> 
> 
> Absolutely, I once did a clean install without gnome or KDE, installed
> Krusader and that installed what it needed of KDE and nothing more.
> I found that a little lean myself, so I just install KDE and Gnome
> in dselect, the works!
> 
> 

This can actually be done in any number of distributions. Oone just has
to opt for the command line install instead.  Since Debian doesn't have
a GUI-based installer (yet) it makes it more obvious. :-)

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Re: Can anyone get premail -makenym to work?

[Anton]

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 12:27:38AM -, Thrasher Remailer написал:

OK, I was using different stats sources, for mixmaster as well as
trying for premail. Why do most (seemingly) of the stats sources not
include the nymservers?

I think I'm getting closer now...


I don't now , probably this qwestion to remailers admins .
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can't remove dir

[Anton]

Good time.
I can't remove the dir 'remove'.Some months ago i move it from /tmp and rename
to 'remove'.I can copy it to another disk and remove from there , but i can't
delete it .I don't know what to think .See the outputs :
==
inf  5:32# rm -rf remove
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private/h': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove/.private': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove directory `remove': Directory not empty
inf  5:32# whoami
root
inf  5:53# cd remove
inf  5:53# ls -la
итого 12
drw---3 l4096 Авг  8  2004 ./
drwxr-xr-x   13 l4096 Июн  1 09:05 ../
drwx--x--x3 root 4096 Май 27 08:43 .private/
inf  5:53#
inf  5:53# cd .private

inf  5:53# ls -la
итого 12
drwx--x--x3 root 4096 Май 27 08:43 ./
drw---3 l4096 Авг  8  2004 ../
drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 Май 27 08:43 h/
inf  5:53# cd h
inf  5:54# ls -la
итого 8
drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 Май 27 08:43 ./
drwx--x--x3 root 4096 Май 27 08:43 ../
inf  5:56# fuser -muv remove
/mnt/hdd1

USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
remove   l  1336 ..c..  mc
l  1338 ..c..  zsh
root   9277 ..c..  mc
root   9279 ..c..  zsh
l 10388 f.c..  vim
l 15216 ..c..  mc
l 15218 ..c..  zsh
l 18386 f  mpd
l 19790 f.c..  vim
l 21962 ..c..  mc
l 21964 ..c..  zsh
l 21971 f.c..  vim
l 28125 ..c..  mc
l 28127 ..c..  zsh
l 29131 f.c..  vim
l 31769 ..c..  mc
l 31771 ..c..  zsh
inf  5:56# 
===


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how to automount usb disks when plugged ?

[phyrster]

hi debianners, 

I followed the instructions on 
http://www.greenfly.org/talks/autofs/autofs.html
to setup autofs in order to let it automount usb disks on my sid system. 

After the configuration, I noticed that it is not working even though
'automount' program is running in the background. Has anyone got autofs
working under sid? 

Or there is better ways to automount usb disks when they are plugged.


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Re: Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, David R. Litwin wrote:
> I have an interesting update. I normally use my laptop in my room, which I
> like to keep between 11 and 15 degrees centigrade. However, in the kitchen,

No current consumer computer hardware will fail to work on that temperature
range, unless it is defective to begin with.

> where I am currently, it is around 22 degrees centigrade. After three or so
> hours of usage, it has yet to freeze.
> 
> Could it be that the temperature is freezing it literally? It says the

No, but you could have bad electrical contact somewhere, which gets fixed by
thermal expansion.

> operating temperature is a minimum of 5 degrees with a gradient of 15 per
> hour. Could this possibly be the problem?

AFAIK, that gradient limit is there just to avoid humidity condensing
somewhere.  If, however, it is listed to avoid mechanical damage due to
rapid thermal contraction/expansion, then it is valid even while the machine
is turned off, and if you let the machine experience it, you can easily
break it...  not that I find this likely, but still...

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Re: CD-ROM devices vanished.

[Scott]

s. keeling wrote:
> Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> I'm not sure how,  or when, but I'm thinking maybe my last kernel
>> upgrade had something to do with it.  I'm not really sure.  I'm running 
>> Sid (Linux scottbox 2.6.14-1-686 #1 Tue Nov 1 15:51:43 JST 2005 i686 
>> GNU/Linux)
>>
>> I've Googled this topic to death and come up empty.
>>
>> How do I get those devices back (they had been dev/had and dev/hdb)?
> 
> 
> Presumably s/had/hda, yes?

I don't know what you mean there.

Here is what's in fstab.

   
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/sda1   /boot   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/sdb1   /home   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/sda5   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/hda/media/cdrom0   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0
/dev/hdb/media/cdrom1   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0
/dev/fd0/media/floppy0  autorw,user,noauto  0   0

>  Ensure the ide modules are loaded at
> boot.  In /etc/modules:
> 
> ide-cd
> ide-generic
> 

This is how my /etc/modules reads:

ide-cd
ide-detect
ide-disk
psmouse
sbp2
sd_mod
sr_mod

No "ide=generic" there.  I'll add it and see if it makes a difference.

BTW, THANK YOU!  It's been almost 24 hours and I'd given up hope on
finding any help anytime soon.

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unregister_netdevice

[Matt Price]

Hi folks,

with a new 2.6.14 kernel, I am getting this message:

unregister_netdevice: waiting for eth0 to become free.  Usage count = 5

repeated ad nauseum in dmesg after ejecting my pcmcia nic (xircom
something or other, rebranded by IBM).  not only can I not reload the
card, I am unable to shut down properly.  I see this has been reported
on the net as a kernel bug with previous kernel versions, and I'm
wondering whether, if the bug's poppedu p again, there's really any
thing to do.

thanks,
Matt

Re: Request to remove Information

[Gnu-Raiz]

On 20:45, Fri 11 Nov 05, Maxim Vexler wrote:
> On 11/11/05, Mitch Wiedemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:
> >
> > > //Debian,//
> > >
> > > //The following information should not have been made available to the
> > > entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
> > > earliest convenience. //
> > >
> > //
> > I don't know how to break this to you Tom, but the message thread has
> > already been mirrored and cached by Google.  I think you might need a
> > Plan B at this point.
> >
> > Also, tell your bosses to reconsider moving the work out of the U.S.
> > Oh, and also to reject implementing DRM and other freedom-trampling
> > "features" in Intel hardware.  That would make Free Software users very
> > happy.
> >
> > I hope your day gets better.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> 
> Intel inside, and no way out !
> 
> ;)
> 
> 
> btw, Please forward this message to him as well :
> "No freedom = No happy customers = No business = No job" (=...)
> 
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> Maxim Vexler (hq4ever).
> 
> Do u GNU ?

> Intel inside, and no way out !

LOL, is this the DoH moment!

I have to agree even if the request is polite, it would of
been better to leave sleeping dog lie. Now as mentioned in
the early posts it will bring unwanted attention. Kind of
like telling someone not to look, at that big wart on
someone's face.

I also find the timing a little interesting, all this will
do is enrage the community and encourge people to use other
Processors, hardware. Now if ten or more people in their
company IT department read this and cancel orders, or buy
other hardware how it could make a small impact on the
bottom line. If your bosses are upset now, just wait until
they have a scape goat to blame for lost sales and the PR
nightmare that this could bring.

Just look at the Sony root kit nightmare, I am sure at one
point everyone at Sony tought it was a good idea, in fact
some still do but at least they have to be accountable now.

Gnu_Raiz



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Re: Request to remove Information

[Scott]

Clint Harshaw wrote:
>>>* //Reply-to//: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
>> What I want to know is: who's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Oh.. and did you mean
>> to send this request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)
> 
> 
> I believe that is Carla Schroder, author of _Linux Cookbook_ which is a
> terrific book IMO for new linux users.
> 
> She has several articles on Linux at IBM Developerworks and a weblog at:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1909
> 
> Clint
> 

And even not-so-new ones.  I actually own it.

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Debian Installer etch beta 1 released

[Joey Hess]

The Debian Installer team is proud to announce the first beta
release of the installer for Debian GNU/Linux Etch.

Improvements in this release of the installer include:
   
 * Debian testing (etch) is now installed by default, instead of
   sarge, and features several months of development and updates.
 * This new version of the installer uses and installs the 2.6.12
   kernel, instead of the 2.6.8 kernel used in the sarge release.
 * 2.6 is now the default kernel for i386 and sparc (and remains the
   default kernel for powerpc, amd64, ia64 and hppa). Boot with
   "install24" to install using the 2.4 kernel.
 * The installer supports a rescue mode for recovering broken
   systems. Boot with "rescue".
 * An alpha release of a graphical version of the installer is
   available for the i386, amd64, and powerpc architectures.
 * Improved locale selection, timezone and clock setup, and
   preseeding.
 * Automatic laptop detection and installation of a laptop task.
 * Secure apt is used to cryptographically verify downloaded
   packages.
 * Improved log file management and bug reporting.
 * Automatically installs acpid if the hardware supports it.
 * Added the following languages: Malagasy, Macedonian, Tagalog,
   Belarusian, Esperanto, Wolof, Xhosa, Estonian and Kurdish

This release no longer supports the following:

 * sparc32: Dropped support for installations using 2.6 kernel.
 * s390: This architecture is not supported by this installer
   release. We hope to support it again in the next release.

Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are
available from our web site, 


For the Debian Installer team,
Joey Hess


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Re: Many packages missing from testing

[Johan Kullstam]

loos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[snip rant against "testing"]

> I just totally agree with you. A little difference, I switch my
> production machines (stable) to testing somewhere during the "frozen"
> time (of course using testing real name. I prefer having a manual
> control on the oldstable->newstable update. I am around since ham and
> this worked without problems for me.

I agree.  The fixed names are much better.  There was a thread here a
while back (6 months, a year?) about making the default be a fixed
name like "woody", "sarge" or "etch", rather than "stable".  I think
that would be a much better default.

> My desktops use unstable.

As are mine.  Sid is pretty solid for me so far.  I can recover from
most of the mishaps.  But at work I do worry since I could lose hard
if things go really badly.  I guess that's why they make stable.  But
that's so boring ;-).

> The problem is always the same: Newbies don't understand the sense of
> the word "unstable" as used by Debian. 
> In fact they lack understanding what a distribution is, and therefore
> what a stable (or unstable) distribution is.

Exactly.  I was using "testing" for a while and got tired of losing
when a package broke and wouldn't get fixed for ages.

Of course, a savvy user could default to testing and drag in unstable
(with whatever pre-reqs) whenever a breakage occured.  Perhaps this
method could be made more known.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Clint Harshaw]

   * //Reply-to//: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



What I want to know is: who's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Oh.. and did you mean
to send this request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)


I believe that is Carla Schroder, author of _Linux Cookbook_ which is a 
terrific book IMO for new linux users.


She has several articles on Linux at IBM Developerworks and a weblog at:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1909

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Re: Request to remove Information

[privacy.at Anonymous Remailer]

You wrote:

> Debian,
> 
> The following information should not have been made available to the
> entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
> earliest convenience. 
> 
> *Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:57:42 -0700 
> *Message-id:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > 

Maybe that will teach you not to spam us.


>  xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" 
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40";>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: wiki package recommendation

[John Smith]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_GNU/Linux

Works like charm, even my boss liked it ;-)

Sincerely,

Jan.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:15:46 -0800
noc ops <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi,
> 
> can anyone recommend a wiki package (stable) and willing share their
> experience.
> 
> any pointers will be appreciated.
> 
> 
> regards,
> /virendra
> 
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Re: Freezing, SMP Kernel and P4

[David R. Litwin]

I have an interesting update. I normally use my laptop in my room, which I like to keep between 11 and 15 degrees centigrade. However, in the kitchen, where I am currently, it is around 22 degrees centigrade. After three or so hours of usage, it has yet to freeze.
Could it be that the temperature is freezing it literally? It says the operating temperature is a minimum of 5 degrees with a gradient of 15 per hour. Could this possibly be the problem?-- —A watched bread-crumb never boils.
—My hover-craft is full of eels.—[...]and that's the he and the she of it.

wiki package recommendation

[noc ops]

hi,

can anyone recommend a wiki package (stable) and willing share their
experience.

any pointers will be appreciated.


regards,
/virendra


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Re: aol art files:

[Steve Block]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:57:19PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I keep getting a message to delete art files  press 
settings--font--text--

   graphics in preference.  How do I accomplish this??? These settings
   are not above as the message says !!!
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Actually you know what I'll tell you exactly how to remove AOL art files
from your computer. Get rid of AOL, get a standard cable or DSL internet
connection, and delete windows and install Debian Linux. No more AOL, no
more art files, and when you post to debian-user--a list for users of
Debian GNU/Linux--you won't be in the wrong place.

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Re: CD-ROM devices vanished.

[s. keeling]

Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  I'm not sure how,  or when, but I'm thinking maybe my last kernel
>  upgrade had something to do with it.  I'm not really sure.  I'm running 
>  Sid (Linux scottbox 2.6.14-1-686 #1 Tue Nov 1 15:51:43 JST 2005 i686 
>  GNU/Linux)
> 
>  I've Googled this topic to death and come up empty.
> 
>  How do I get those devices back (they had been dev/had and dev/hdb)?

Presumably s/had/hda, yes?  Ensure the ide modules are loaded at
boot.  In /etc/modules:

ide-cd
ide-generic

Note with a 2.6 kernel, you no longer need ide-scsi to access a
burner.  "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc" works for me.


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Re: aol art files:

[Steve Block]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:57:19PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I keep getting a message to delete art files  press 
settings--font--text--

   graphics in preference.  How do I accomplish this??? These settings
   are not above as the message says !!!
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Ahahaha, awesome. They will never learn, ever.

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Re: H264; hdtv .ts file playback status!

[Brendan]

On Friday 11 November 2005 01:06 pm, Gnu-Raiz wrote:
> movie demo's, then you know what I mean. It would seem that
> their should be a way to speed up H264 and .ts file playback
> on modern hardware. I know its kind of moot right now, as

Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but on my 3 ghz 1gb ram system, h264 mov files 
play flawlessly, with under 50% utilization.


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Re: aol art files:

[Delwag19]

 I keep getting a message to delete art files  press settings--font--text--
    graphics in preference.  How do I accomplish this??? These settings
    are not above as the message says !!!
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Re: Where is CPU/Mem Usage Applet in sarge

[Robert Glueck]

R Ransbottom wrote:

> In debian 3.0 there was a nice compact "CPU/Mem Usage
> Applet 1.4.0.5"
> that took very little screen space.  Is it, or something
> much like, available in Sarge?
> 

You seem to be talking about KDE's KSysGuard (also called
performance monitor or system monitor).  Open KSysGuard and
from the Sensor Browser (left pane) drag one of the items
and drop it onto the taskbar (the bottom panel).  You can
customize the size and specs of these little displays.  I
use three of them in the taskbar: for cpu usage, physical
memory usage and swap memory usage.

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ALSA on LG LW20 laptop

[mjsb]

Does anyone managed to make ALSA work well on a LG LW20 laptop?
I can ear sound, but can't ear headphones without having sound from front 
speakers simultaneously. Muting speakers also mutes headphones.

Thanks
Miguel


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deep apt question

[John Smith]

Hi All,

like a lot of people I run a local apt repository combined with an
apt-proxy that caches a close official debian distribution server. My local
installation web server looks like:

/var/debian/
total 36
drwxr-xr-x   8 www-data www-data 4096 2005-11-11 19:41 .
drwxr-xr-x  16 root root 4096 2005-10-13 20:34 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   27 2005-07-02 10:30 debian -> 
/var/cache/apt-proxy/debian
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   37 2005-07-15 19:33 debian-backports -> 
/var/cache/apt-proxy/debian-backports
drwxrwx---   4 www-data www-data 4096 2005-11-11 20:09 debian-local
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   37 2005-07-02 10:30 debian-security -> 
/var/cache/apt-proxy/debian-security/

Like I wrote: the debian-local contains my own (and others ;-)) debs
that override official ones.

Now my problem:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt >apt-cache policy php4
php4:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.3.10-16.2
  Version Table:
 4:4.3.10-16.2 0
500 http://debian sarge/main Packages
 4:4.3.10-16 0
500 http://debian sarge/updates/main Packages
 4:4.3.10-15 0
500 http://debian sarge/main Packages

How do I tell from which source directory (debian, debian-security 
or debian-local) each package is from without having to browse
my /var/debian?

Usually this is clear, but sometimes (usually after adding new foreign 
.deb's to debian-local) it isn't.

Somebody got a good idea?

Sincerely,

Jan.


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Re: kernel-compile-troubleshooting -- help with a howto

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Matt Price wrote:

> I've compiled my own kernel numerous times but am not
> programming-literate; often I wish there was a howto that explained the
> significance of certain common problems that I seem to have over and
> over again.

which problems

>  Haven't found one, though, so thought I'd write my own: 

good idea
 
> http://wiki.debian.org/KernelCompileTroubleshooting
>
> Unfurtunatley, I'm so ignorant, 

nah

> I can't really answer my own questions!

nah .. whether it's the right answer or one of many dozen right 
answers is the question

> Therefore, I'm asking for help.  I'd like to hear what is
> wrong, misleading, or justp lain missing from this document.

there's already (too many) generic "kernel howto"
- most address their tidbits the author wanted to cover
but not other stuff

> Sometimes the standard howto is not enough.

or too much info ( usually the case )

if the target audience are beginners, and if the idea is to simplify
generic kernel compiling, less info is better ?? ( imho )

#
# make a script "make-kernel-for-my-box.sh" if compiling
# a kernel is too much headache .. 99% of all this is scriptable
#   - the 1% is the actual reboot and see if it works
#
cd /usr/local/src
get the latest kernel from kernel.org
tar jxvfp linux-latest.tar.bz2
cd linux-latest

( optional ) make dep, make clean if you're paranoid
make bzlilo
- this assumes the defaults is good enuff for some
folks that is not paranoid and don't want to fine
tune this or that

make install
- usually installed as /vmlinuz and /System.map
- mv /vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz-latest
- mv /System.map /boot/System.map-latest
make modules
make modules_install
- cp .config /boot/config-latest
- update lilo or grub
- reboot

some minor tweeking ..  ( fixing problems )
cd linux-latest
make xconfig

- start turning everything off and/or use the default
from the "help"

- you will need to make sure your motherboard chipset
is turned on or as a module in the kernel

- check and study the output of lspci and find the
  corresponding kernel option in the kernel config gui

- figure out which file systems you want to support

make 
make install
...

some security tricks .. ( tweeking to minimize buffer overflow risks )

apply kernel patches to harden the puppy ...

by this point, you shouldn't be needing a kernel-howto
other than for the detailed specific security hardening howto



another common problem is  doesn't work, where xxx is
some kind of disk, sound, network problems

- one has to check which chipset is used ( lspci )
and turn on that driver in the kernel

another common problem is the modules doesn't install

- the gcc to use for making and installing the modules have to
be the same gcc that was used to compile the original kernel
that is being used/booted


> 1. Compile-time problems
> setting gcc version
> 
> GCC is the gnu-c-compiler

playing with gcc is asking for next generation troubles but that's
part of the fun
- you'd also need to have the proper glibc, bash, /lib
and other cousins

c ya
alvin


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compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7.12 + truetype

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

Come to find out that mozilla went backwards in their release version 
numbers: 1.7.12 is later than 1.8a4 or 1.8b1.


Anyway I compile 1.8a4 with:
#used 07/09 on HDB2 Sarge Disk with moz1.8a4
ac_add_options --enable-default-mozilla-five-home=/opt/mozilla
ac_add_options --with-x
ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2
ac_add_options --enable-crypto
ac_add_options --enable-xft2
ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O3
ac_add_options --enable-reorder
ac_add_options --enable-strip
ac_add_options --enable-elf-dynstr-gc
ac_add_options --enable-cpp-rtti
ac_add_options --enable-extensions=all
ac_add_options --disable-svg
ac_add_options --disable-freetype2
ac_add_options --disable-jsd
ac_add_options --disable-accessibility
ac_add_options --disable-tests
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --disable-dtd-debug
ac_add_options --disable-logging
ac_add_options --disable-toolkit-gtk
ac_add_options --disable-xprint
ac_add_options --with-gssapi=/usr/include/gssapi
ac_add_options --enable-application=suite
ac_add_options --enable-calendar

Which gives you antialiasing support and TT.

When you compile 1.7.12 with those options you get no antialiasing and 
no TT.


Anybody have a clue how to get TT and antialiasing when compiling 1.7.12?

Or a link to that info?

Thanks!

H






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Re: Mounting an iPod via USB

[Josh Battles]

Josh Battles said:
> Brian Nelson said:
>> "Josh Battles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Why?  What are the advantages of upgrading to 2.6 for my scenario?  This
>>> machine has been running for quite some time and does everything else I
>>> need
>>> just fine.  Would upgrading to 2.6 help my unmounting issues?
>>
>> Yeah.  I don't think 2.4 kernels support most/all ipods with USB.  Even
>> the earlier 2.6 kernels were quite flaky.  It took until around 2.6.10
>> for it to get fairly stable.
>
> I hadn't really wanted to upgrade to 2.6 on this machine yet but I may give
> it a go.  You think 2.6.10 would be a good place to start?

I got a little hasty with the send button...
I was able to get it to recognize the ipod and use it correctly finally.  I
added the mountpoint /media/ipod into the "cdrom" group (of which I'm a
member) and now I'm able to have full read/write access to it.  It also
automounts now as well.

I'll probably still upgrade to the 2.6 kernel though just to see if it acts
any different.

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Re: gcc-4 : am I the only one having problems?

[Mike Chandler]

On Thursday 10 November 2005 07:49 pm, Jules Dubois wrote:
> On Thursday 10 November 2005 19:40, Mike Chandler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > Since my testing system updated to gcc-4, I can no longer build a kernel
> > (the
> > debian way). Doing "make oldconfig" or  "make xconfig" gives errors
> > almost immediately and won't build.
>
> What version of gcc do you have?  (gcc --version)
>
> Here's one way.  Find these lines in the top-level Makefile:
>
>   HOSTCC  = gcc
>   HOSTCXX = g++
>
> Change them to match your compiler version.  For example,
>
>   HOSTCC  = gcc-3.3
>   HOSTCXX = g++-3.3
>
> I think 'update-alternatives' can be used to change the gcc link to
> something other than gcc-4.0.  As it's been a very long day at the IDE, the
> details escape me and I don't seem to have any other version installed at
> the moment.
>
> > Another problem when it becomes necessary to re-install the NVIDIA
> > driver. Won't build.
>
> Sorry, I don't know anything about closed-source drivers.
>
> > Just curious if I need to do something other than roll back to gcc-3.3 to
> > build a new kernel.
>
> The Debian 2.6.14 source configures and compiles cleanly with gcc 4.0.
Thanks for the reply. I guess gcc-4.0 is the one that doesn't work for me. 
Where is this kernel-2.6.14? I guess it's not in the testing repository. 
I currently run a home-built 2.6.8, but to compile it I had to revert to 
gcc-3.3.
As far as the NVIDIA driver, it won't compile with gcc-4.0 either. 
I'm starting to think it IS just me!
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Re: New Linux worm crawls the web

[Joey Hess]

Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> It's misleading to call these things "Linux worms."

Very true.

> I think it's a major security bug for /tmp and /var/tmp
> to be mounted with exec privileges.

Due to the design of ld.so, the noexec flag is no-op on Linux systems.
It's at most a minor speedbump to running a file in /tmp. Just use
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /path/to/a/binary to run any binary no matter what
its execute permissions. Or just don't base your worm on needing to run
executables from disk, which is also fairly easy to do.

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Re: Mounting an iPod via USB

[Josh Battles]

Brian Nelson said:
> "Josh Battles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Why?  What are the advantages of upgrading to 2.6 for my scenario?  This
>> machine has been running for quite some time and does everything else I
>> need
>> just fine.  Would upgrading to 2.6 help my unmounting issues?
>
> Yeah.  I don't think 2.4 kernels support most/all ipods with USB.  Even
> the earlier 2.6 kernels were quite flaky.  It took until around 2.6.10
> for it to get fairly stable.

I hadn't really wanted to upgrade to 2.6 on this machine yet but I may give
it a go.  You think 2.6.10 would be a good place to start?

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Re: Many packages missing from testing

[loos]

> All this is IMHO.  Warning rant ahead:
> 
> 1) testing not for users.  It is for debian maintainers putting the
>next stable release together.
> 
>There is a mechanical aging process which lets packages come over
>from sid.  A package could get updated, wait, and just when it's
>about to land in testing, it gets some new minor update.  The
>package may work great the whole time, but it doesn't gets into
>testing for a long time.  When sid is revving heavily, you might
>never get an update since some dependency somewhere is getting an
>update.  I think that security is now doing updates for testing.
>They used to not do it and under that case testing was positively
>foolhardy.
> 
>While it is usually solid, a breakage in testing can sometimes take
>ages to get fixed.  This is the nature of testing.  There is no
>manual override of the aging process.
> 
> 2) Use "sarge" or "sid" instead.  Sarge is stable and everything works
>and is included.  Right now, it's not even superannuated.  Sid gets
>quick updates.  It might be broke once in a while, but it isn't
>broke for long.  (Of course it might really blow up and clobber
>your system if, e.g., libc.so get hosed.)
> 
> 3) Do not use "stable" in your apt sources since that could surprise
>you when we get a new stable.  Stable releases are rare enough that
>manually changing /etc/apt/sources.list is not a problem.  Hence,
>the fixed name is better.
> 
> 3) If you want to use "testing", put "etch" into your apt sources.  Of
>course, I could be extra perverse and argue that if you are a user
>who would be surprised you have no business running testing anyhow.
> 

I just totally agree with you. A little difference, I switch my
production machines (stable) to testing somewhere during the "frozen"
time (of course using testing real name. I prefer having a manual
control on the oldstable->newstable update. I am around since ham and
this worked without problems for me.

My desktops use unstable.

The problem is always the same: Newbies don't understand the sense of
the word "unstable" as used by Debian. 
In fact they lack understanding what a distribution is, and therefore
what a stable (or unstable) distribution is.

Michel.


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kernel-compile-troubleshooting -- help with a howto

[Matt Price]

Hi folks,

I've compiled my own kernel numerous times but am not
programming-literate; often I wish there was a howto that explained the
significance of certain common problems that I seem to have over and
over again.  Haven't found one, though, so thought I'd write my own: 

http://wiki.debian.org/KernelCompileTroubleshooting

Unfurtunatley, I'm so ignorant, I can't really answer my own
questions!  Therefore, I'm asking for help.  I'd like to hear what is
wrong, misleading, or justp lain missing from this document.  The
current version is appended below, and feel free to carry on this
ocnversation eithero n the list, or by direct modification of the wiki
page (which is after all what wikis are for).  

Thanks,

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Please Do not Trust This Page! Author is Ignorant! Instead, Amend with
Corrections!

Sometimes the standard howto is not enough. This page describes some
factors that affect the success of kernel compilation and
installation, for non-programmers like the author who don't really
understand what happens when the kernel is
compiled. BuildYourOwnKernel and the link collected their is a much
better place to start!
1. Compile-time problems
setting gcc version

GCC is the gnu-c-compiler; it's the program used to compile all the
C-based programs on your system (that's most of them). New versions of
the compiler are periodically released, I guess either because the C
language standard changes, or because new hardware comes on line that
requires special implementations (I think, for instance, that it's
easier to use recent gcc versions to compile
64-bit-processor-compatible code; but I don't really know, I already
said I'm not a programmer!). In general, the linux kernel does not
compile equally well with all versions of gcc. It would be nice to
have a complete list of which kernel versions suggest/require which
gcc versions, but I don't have one; I do know, though, that Debian/Sid
kernels are currently (Oct. 2005) all compiled with gcc-4.0. However
I've had lots of trouble compiling kernels 2.6.12 and lower with
gcc-4.0.

On Debian, /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink, so in principle you can just
change the target from gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.4 whenever you like. This
however is not recommended, because many packages will expect the link
to point to a particular version of gcc (why is this? I'd love to know
the answer.).

Instead, we can easily change the version of gcc used by make-kpkg
using the "MAKEFLAGS" command:

*

  MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg kernel-image

Question: Does this always really work? Or are there other factors in
your environment that can influence compile-time behaviour by
make-kpkg?

One thing to done here is that third-party modules built for the
resulting kernel must be built with the same version of gcc as the
kernel-package itself. You can do that thusly:

*

  using module assistant:
  o

CC="gcc-3.4" module-assistant auto-install
some_source_package

  or
  o

module-assistant --cc="gcc-3.4" auto-install
some_source_package
*

  in the old-fashioned way:
  o

./configure CC="gcc-3.4" make

Anyone know if this is really true?
Cleaning the Tree

When you compile a kernel, hundereds (thousands?) of new files are
created in the kernel tree. By default those files are left in place
after the kernel is built. That's great if you want to recompile the
kernel soon after -- maybe you forgot to include a module? -- the
computer just reuses the files from the last install, and the whole
process only takes a minute or two instead of an hour.

However, sometimes the files left behind can break your next
compilation. I don't really know why, but here are some things I've
seen:

*

  You want to change the revision or "append-to-version" flags on
your compile (maybe because, after 10 or 20 tries, you've actually
made a kernel that compiles, installs, and boots, and you don't want
to delete that kernel when you install the next one). make-kpkg will
not let you proceed without cleaning the tree.
*

  Somehow you've screwed up something in your build environment --
maybe on your last attempt you accidentally compiled with a different
gcc-version? -- and the files left behind on your disk are
corrupted. THen stuff further down the road will get screwed up too
(is this really true?).

So when compiling seems somehow harder than it should be, do this:

*

   make-kpkg clean

Other Problems

Sometimes, no matter how many times I clean the tree or how carefully
I set the gcc-version, I STILL seem to have problems. I don't know
what causes them, but I think part of the issue is that the kernel is
very complex, and enabling certain options and not others can create a
set of build parameters which the developers didn't test -- thus
leading to compile-time failure. Usually I just run

 make menuconfig 

uncheck th

Re: Request to remove Information

[John Hasler]

Brad writes:
> Looking at the bigger picture, I would hope (and assume) that this
> request is denied/ignored by the list managers.

The list managers always ignore these silly requests.
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Re: Request to remove Information

[Scott]

Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> Brad Sawatzky wrote:
> 
> 
>>I am afraid that the request is going to generate a much larger trail
>>than if it had been just left alone...
> 
> 
> A very good point.
> 
> I knew nothing of the original message before ther removal request came
> along.
> 
> This is going to end up on Slashdot...
> 
> 

Or Nev Dull...

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H264; hdtv .ts file playback status!

[Gnu-Raiz]

Well I was wondering if anyone else is having problems with
.ts file playback? I know that mplayer plays them, but on my
system it plays like a slide show, and I keep getting the
famous too many video packets in buffer warning.

According to the mplayer faq, this is a sign of a weak
system, guess my dual amd 1.2's are not up to the challenge.
Does anyone else know what other software will play .ts
files, I know that ffdshow will, but it is questionable of
the quality. 

This is not just a Gnu/Linux problem it is also a Windows
problem. .ts files on my Windows amd 2600 XP box is also a
slide show. Regardless of which codec I use, be it
Quicktime, or Media Player. Seems that these codec's are
pretty much crap on even modern hardware, I have heard of
people complaining about their Athlon 64 3700, 4000 playing
like a slide show.

If you through H264 playback into the mix such as Apple's HD
movie demo's, then you know what I mean. It would seem that
their should be a way to speed up H264 and .ts file playback
on modern hardware. I know its kind of moot right now, as
most .ts, HD content is more than an average dvd can hold.
Then if you want to watch it on your dvd player you will
need to down sample it to dvd standards. But since H264 will
be more and more involved in the future, I would assume that
the codec's will get better and better. 

Right now most of the information is in various internet
forums, playback seems to really be in development at the
moment.  So if anyone has some good links to some good
information about Gnu/Linux and H264 playback, or decoders,
or encoders I would be appreciate it.

Thanks;

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Block]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:43:18AM -0800, Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:

Debian,

The following information should not have been made available to the
entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
earliest convenience. 

*	Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:57:42 -0700 
*	Message-id:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*   In-reply-to:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*	Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*	Old-return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
*	References:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*	Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   


I'm just sort of confused how this got mailed to d-u in the first place.
Of course, once somethings on a public mailing list like this it's
pretty much there forever. It's on my server (IMAP copies), google,
debian's archive, usenet, and plenty of mirrors and individual machines.

Consider it a lesson on addressing email, perhaps.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Scott]

Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:
> //Debian,//
> 
> //The following information should not have been made available to the
> entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
> earliest convenience. //
> 
> * //Date//: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:57:42 -0700
> * //Message-id//:
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> * //In-reply-to//:
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> * //Message-id//: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >
> * //Old-return-path//: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * //References//:
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >
> * //Reply-to//: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Regards
>  
> 
> Tom Weissgerber
> 
> Intel Corporation
> 
> Validation Tool Development Manager
> 
> 916-356-5339
> 
>  

What I want to know is: who's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Oh.. and did you mean
to send this request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-)


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Re: New Linux worm crawls the web

[Cameron L. Spitzer]

[This message has also been posted to 
linux.debian.user,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>>Mike McCarty wrote:
>>>
http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/38?ref=rss
>>>
>>>How to detect whether infection has occurred?
>> 
>> Don't go overboard yet.  Might want to read Steve Lamb's comment about this
>> just upthread.
>
> Like Joey says, Debian Sarge with security updates avoids the problem.
> Yet... it would still be nice to know how to tell that there was no 
> infection.

It's misleading to call these things "Linux worms."
The worm attacks PHP applications.  You can update Sarge
every day.  If one of your users is running PHP Nuke
or Mambo or phpBB or Squirrel Mail, you have directories
where the Web server can create executable files and run them.
If your users don't maintain their PHP apps, they can
have holes that let the worm create files in /tmp or /var/tmp/.
If you install in the default places, the worm knows where
your Mambo modules directory is.

Sure, the worm wants to pull in a rootkit, and maybe Sarge
with security updates will prevent the root escalation.
That depends on the rootkit, and the worm.  But even if
it only gets UID 33 (www-data), it can pull in and run PHP
code.  Your box can become a spammer bot or an attack bot that way,
and you can help propagate the worm to other hosts where
the rootkit might succeed.

I think it's a major security bug for /tmp and /var/tmp
to be mounted with exec privileges.  It's a major security
problem for the Web server user to be able to create
and run executables anywhere.  I hope the Debian maintainers
are going to fix it, because the PHP application community
never will.


Cameron



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Re: OpenOffice 2 on Sarge?

[Opus]

Marc Shapiro wrote:

Joseph Haig wrote:


I think the sensible options are:

  1) Get the package directly from OpenOffice.org
  2) Create a backport (and let me have a copy, please  ;-) )
  3) Upgrade to sid



I have DLd the tarball from OOo, but I have a few questions before I go 
any farther.


After creating the .debs will installing them remove OOo-1.x?  If so, am 
I likely to run into any problems with OOo-2?  If so, can I just 
uninstall all of the V2 stuff and reinstall the V1 stuff (I still have 
the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives)?


Well, I just installed using dpkg -i *.deb and now both v1.x and v2.0
seem to work fine.  I was concerned about v2.0 working, which is why I
left v1.x on my laptop, but I haven't had any problems.  I've changed
my prefs so that all of my old OpenOffice files open with v2.0 now.
Someone else mentioned that they read that you're supposed to remove
v1.x before installing v2.0, but I didn't read that, and I guess I'm
glad I didn't.  I plan to leave v1.x installed, as it doesn't seem
to be hurting anything, and I've got enough disk space.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Window manager/desktop environment that's not RAM-intensive

[Robert Waldner]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:27:32 PST, Andy Gower writes:
>> >Icewm / fluxbox

>> I can't figure out how to put shortcuts to applications on the desktop.
>>  With both of them.

>With IceWM, it is dead easy to add shortcuts to either the taskbar
>along the bottom or a customized menu coming from the start button. 
>Check out the config files in ~/.icewm/.  They are easily edited by a
>text editor.  (And check out the easily configurable shortcut keys as
>well!)

That's not what I need: I need shortcuts to applications (and possibly 
 documents) _on the desktop_ - not accessed via some menu one has to 
 pop up before.

Myself, I have no problem with that (the configurability and 
 don't-get-in-my-way-with-anything is why I use Enlightenment), but this 
 is for the SO, where I want to make the transition from Windos/Gnome as 
 easy as possible.

So far, Rox looks the most promising, so I'll try and figure out what 
 packages I need for that.

Thanks all!

cheers,
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Broken RAID array ...

[Nicolas CANIART]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi all,

  It appears that for about a month my raid array is not working anymore
(this is an evaluation after having inspected the content of each
individual disk). I thinks it may be a bit longer. I was using raidtools
but, as I'm under unstable, this package was removed and may not have
been through that migration as well as I thought :(
After some investigation i found that it does not recognize it any more
because the two disks don't have the same UUID! as mdadm shows :

  % mdadm --examine --brief --scan --config=partitions
  ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2  \   
  UUID=b6065276:860e04ff:432f5364:f4db028c
  ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2  \   
  UUID=12e709d1:8df4e5d9:e6aa987f:b3b2318a

As far as I can tell the disk actually used is /dev/sdb1 (sda1 content
is outdated).
I tried to force the array assembly but I got :

  % mdadm -A /dev/md0 --force
  md: md0 stopped.
  mdadm: /dev/sda1 has no super block - assembly aborted

So I tried to make sda1 faulty, remove it then reinstall it; but I got :

  % mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sda1
  mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0

As far as I understand, it's because md0 is active... but I can't
activate it; It's a dead lock !!

To break this vicious circle, I thought I could reset sda1 UUID, but how
can I know the one to use, or may I just rebuild the array (without
loosing data of course !)
Or may i use any tool to set proper super block on sda1 ?
Is there a proper way to get myself out of that mess ?

Thanks for your advice.
Nicolas.

PS : If some could explain how I get myself in that mess I would also
greatly appreciate it ... so i won't do it again !

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Maxim Vexler]

On 11/11/05, Mitch Wiedemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:
>
> > //Debian,//
> >
> > //The following information should not have been made available to the
> > entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
> > earliest convenience. //
> >
> //
> I don't know how to break this to you Tom, but the message thread has
> already been mirrored and cached by Google.  I think you might need a
> Plan B at this point.
>
> Also, tell your bosses to reconsider moving the work out of the U.S.
> Oh, and also to reject implementing DRM and other freedom-trampling
> "features" in Intel hardware.  That would make Free Software users very
> happy.
>
> I hope your day gets better.
>
>
>
> --
>
>

Intel inside, and no way out !

;)


btw, Please forward this message to him as well :
"No freedom = No happy customers = No business = No job" (=...)


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Brad Sawatzky wrote:

> I am afraid that the request is going to generate a much larger trail
> than if it had been just left alone...

A very good point.

I knew nothing of the original message before ther removal request came
along.

This is going to end up on Slashdot...


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Re: Multiple ISP connection

[choy]

2005/11/11, mikepolniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 18:39 Fri 11 Nov , choy wrote:
> >
> > So my question is: how can I config the server so both connection
> > (eth0 and eth1) can connect to my server?
> >
> One way to do this is with iproute. Read "Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic
> Control HOWTO" sec 4.2  "Routing for multiple uplinks/providers";
> in which there are two providers that connect a local network (or even a
> single machine) to the big Internet.
>
> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN268
>
> You will need to install "iproute" and set up routing tables in
> /etc/iproute2/rt_tables  something like this example, etc.
>
>  ip route add $P1_NET dev $IF1 src $IP1 table T1
>  ip route add default via $P1 table T1
>  ip route add $P2_NET dev $IF2 src $IP2 table T2
>  ip route add default via $P2 table T2
>

I've follow the how-to and now my network work as expected!! Thanks again :)

Re: Request to remove Information

[Brad Sawatzky]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:

> The following information should not have been made available to the
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> 
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While requesting the deletion of your original (2003!?) post might be a
reasonable request[1], asking to delete another person's post without their
approval is definitely *not* OK.  The fact that it is a response to your
post (to a very public forum) is irrelevant.

To your credit, at least it was a polite request and not a demand with
implied Legal Attack-Dog Powers(TM).  I am afraid that the request is going
to generate a much larger trail than if it had been just left alone...

[1] Looking at the bigger picture, I would hope (and assume) that this 
request is denied/ignored by the list managers.  Cutting material out
of historical archives leaves me with an uneasy feeling at the best of
times--very bad precedent.

Never mind the zillion archive copies floating around...

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:

> //Debian,//
>
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//
I don't know how to break this to you Tom, but the message thread has
already been mirrored and cached by Google.  I think you might need a
Plan B at this point.

Also, tell your bosses to reconsider moving the work out of the U.S. 
Oh, and also to reject implementing DRM and other freedom-trampling
"features" in Intel hardware.  That would make Free Software users very
happy.

I hope your day gets better.



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Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Alan Ianson]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:29:44AM +, Ueli Meier wrote:
> Thanks for the answers.
> 
> >I use debian for all of the above, and I wouldn't switch to >anything
> else. I 
> >used to use Mandrake also. Yes, you can read dos >FAT,FAT32,NTFS,HPFS
> and many 
> > others.
> 
> What where your reasons to switch to debian?
 
When I used Mandrake, I was unaware of anything GNU/Linux. I first
started using Rad Hat and Mandrake because they were easy to get going
on my hardware where debian and others I couldn't get x running. That
is most likey a user error. :) I had no idea what to do in a case like
that. I did run debian woody for a long time without any desktop, I
am quite happy most of the time at the console anyway. Now adays debian
isn't much different, it identifies and uses my hardware the same as
Mandrake. The crew at Mandrake are relentless developers, I don't fault
them in any way. I don't much care for their new name though.

I use debian now because of their social contract, not to mention the
HUGE archive of just about anything you could imagine being right there
on your CDs or DVDs (better get DVDs these days ;)).

> >debian is brilliant for everything, but, unlike ubuntu or suse or
> >mandriva, it is not tuned to be a desktop. this of course gives >youa
> great deal of flexibility.
> 
> >Could you explain more?
> >What does it mean Debian is not tuned for the desktop, more work to
> >install? Or is there more to it?

Everthing works on Mandrakes desktop, even the little icons appear
when you plug in a memory stick. That doesn't happen with debian (it
does if you use the gnome desktop) at least not with KDE. It's something
you would need to setup yourself if you want it. That could be as easy
as installing xxx package, but I don't know and haven't been bothered
enough by it to go looking myself.. ;)

> What is more flexibility, can I install less pakages than with other
> desktops and save harddisk space and memory?

Absolutely, I once did a clean install without gnome or KDE, installed
Krusader and that installed what it needed of KDE and nothing more.
I found that a little lean myself, so I just install KDE and Gnome
in dselect, the works!


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Re: eth1: network connection down

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On 11/11/2005 04:09 PM, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> are you sure that 192.168.0.4 is up?

yes

> can you ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.4?

yes

turned out, there was a "hardware error" for the device in
/var/log/messages. i took out the nic and put it back in, now
everything's fine.

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Request to remove Information

[Weissgerber, Tom L]

Debian,

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Re: fiddling with tab completion

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 10:02 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> Using Debian unstable, kde 3.4.2, konsole 1.5.2, bash 3.00.16(1)
> 
> $ls temp*
> temp10.txt  temp13.txt  temp1.txt  temp3.txt
> temp12.txt  temp14.txt  temp2.txt  temp4.txt
> 
> $ls -v temp*
> temp1.txt  temp3.txt  temp10.txt  temp13.txt
> temp2.txt  temp4.txt  temp12.txt  temp14.txt
> 
> 
> If I do
> 
> $gvim temp
> 
> I get
> 
> temp10.txt  temp13.txt  temp1.txt   temp3.txt
> temp12.txt  temp14.txt  temp2.txt   temp4.txt
> 
> Is there a way to change this to
> 
> temp1.txt   temp3.txt temp10.txt  temp13.txt
> temp2.txt   temp4.txt temp12.txt  temp14.txt
> 
> ie the tab completion should figure out the versions correctly (ie 
> follow the output of ls -v instead of ls). Is this possible?

dont know if it is possible but "man bash" and search for the word
completion.

also google for "bash tab completion".

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: some apps cannot print anymore since gnome 2.10 upgrade

[Clint Harshaw]

Frank Guthorel wrote:


However - printing from Mozilla apps like Firefox webpages or
Thunderbird mails does not seem to work any more, since the upgrade to
gnome 2.10.2 ? I don't get any error messages or so, just the normal
statement that job is being sent to printer etc., 100%, done - but the
printer never starts.



Hi Frank,

I used to have some issues with the printing packages that Moz/FF/TB 
have installed (xprint). When I would select my PostScript printer in 
those packages, however, they would print fine. But Moz/FF/TB would 
always default to the xprint printer, and I'd have to manually select 
the PS printer.


Do you have xprint installed?

Once I removed xprint, I was back in business, printing normally using 
only the PostStript printer.


Hope this helps,
Clint


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modifying 5snort to add more detail to email report

[Kretzer, Jason R (Big Sandy)]

Hello all,
 
I am using snort on Debian sarge.  I am using 5snort to email daily
reports on the snort alert file.  Sometimes the report lists several
events but does not give any details.  Does anyone know how to set this
to where it will report EVERY entry in the alert log?  I figure it has
something to do with a threshold setting somewhere but I cannot find it.
I have posted this to the snort-users list but as always my relatively
newbie questions are being ignored.

Below I have pasted a sample of one of the "no detail" emails.
 
Thanks,
 
-Jason
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Events between  10 30 09:51:50  and  10 30 09:51:50
Total events: 1
Signatures recorded: 1
Source IP recorded: 1
Destination IP recorded: 1


Events from same host to same destination using same method

=
 # of  from to   method

=


Percentage and number of events from a host to a destination

 %# of  from to



Percentage and number of events from one host to any with same method
==
 %# of  from method
==


Percentage and number of events to one certain host
=
 %# of  to   method
=


The distribution of event methods
===
 %# of  method
===
 
 

How to downgrade libc6 ?

[Markus . Grunwald]

Hello,

today, I aptitude installed apache2, which took a new libc6 with it.
Now I can't link against one of my libs anymore:

/usr/local/lib/libcpdbg.a(cpdebug.o)(.text+0x374): In function 
`dbgSprintx':
: undefined reference to `__ctype_b'
./lib_x86/libtabe.a(tabe_zuyin.o)(.text+0x7c): In function 
`tabeZozyKeyToZuYinIndex':
: undefined reference to `__ctype_tolower'

I might be able to recompile it, but this could take a long time so I may 
be forced to go back to the elder libc6 - unfortunately, I don't know 
how...

Please help me, or I am in deep trouble...

TIA 
Markus Grunwald


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Re: eth1: network connection down

[Matt Zagrabelny]

> bomb:~# ping 192.168.0.4
> PING 192.168.0.4 (192.168.0.4) 56(84) bytes of data.
> >From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
> >From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
> >From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
> >From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
> >From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable
> >From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=8 Destination Host Unreachable
>  

are you sure that 192.168.0.4 is up?

can you ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.4?

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: change networks

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 17:13 -0600, Michael Martinell wrote:
> Hi, I am going to migrate an Debian server from the current network to a new
> network.  It does use DHCP so that part should not be a problem.  How do I
> change the gateway and dns settings to get everything to work in the new
> network?
> 

so your old network uses dhcp and your new network uses dhcp, yes?
then you dont need to change anything, it should just work.

what is the output of:
$ cat /etc/network/interfaces 

-matt zagrabelny


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fiddling with tab completion

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Using Debian unstable, kde 3.4.2, konsole 1.5.2, bash 3.00.16(1)

$ls temp*
temp10.txt  temp13.txt  temp1.txt  temp3.txt
temp12.txt  temp14.txt  temp2.txt  temp4.txt

$ls -v temp*
temp1.txt  temp3.txt  temp10.txt  temp13.txt
temp2.txt  temp4.txt  temp12.txt  temp14.txt


If I do

$gvim temp

I get

temp10.txt  temp13.txt  temp1.txt   temp3.txt
temp12.txt  temp14.txt  temp2.txt   temp4.txt

Is there a way to change this to

temp1.txt   temp3.txt temp10.txt  temp13.txt
temp2.txt   temp4.txt temp12.txt  temp14.txt

ie the tab completion should figure out the versions correctly (ie 
follow the output of ls -v instead of ls). Is this possible?


thanks
raju

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some apps cannot print anymore since gnome 2.10 upgrade

[Frank Guthorel]

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Hi,

I just moved my desktop to gnome 2.10.2 on my machine running 2.6.14 in
unstable.

My network printer which is available over IPP on a dedicated internal
network address, is still able to print test pages, from the CUPS web
interface running on localhost, and from the gnome print menu (Desktop >
Administration > Printing).

The printer is a Brother HL-2070N, which works out of the box with the
driver for the HL-2060 - no problem concerning the driver as such.

However - printing from Mozilla apps like Firefox webpages or
Thunderbird mails does not seem to work any more, since the upgrade to
gnome 2.10.2 ? I don't get any error messages or so, just the normal
statement that job is being sent to printer etc., 100%, done - but the
printer never starts.

The failed print jobs are also not queued, neither in the gnome panel or
the cups web interface. They don't show up there, so I guess it's normal
that they are not printing - since apparently they get lost in the
process of sending to LPR or similar...

Strange thing though - gedit can still print, as can any regular
gnome-suite program. So I guess something most have broken, or a thing
must be configured specifically -- but I cannot fathom where ...

Anyone having the same problem? Or have some more info about this ?

Thanks in advance :)

Frank



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Re: Many packages missing from testing

[Johan Kullstam]

Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> > Joona Kiiski wrote:
> >
> >>Hi!
> >>
> >>Now for about two weeks there have been many packages out of testing.
> >>I'm must wondering what's the point? Those missing packages prevent me
> >>from upgrading because there are many among those which I desperatily
> >>need and I don't want to start hacking apt. Wouldn't it be better to
> >>have an unstable version of packages in testing than no version at all!
> >>
> >>Okay, you are pros, I'm just a newbie and there must be a good reason
> >>for this, this situation is just irritating. Maybe you could consider
> >>having four versions
> >>of debian in transition phase, like: stable, testing, testing-new,
> >>unstable. And when 99.5% packages would have entered testing-new it
> >>could replace testing. Just an idea, maybe it would just make things
> >>too complicated for developers and maintainers.
> >>
> > Check out this thread.  Some perspectives on the missing packages in
> > testing...
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00683.html
> >
> 
> Ah-ha!  I'm glad to see it's a temporary problem.  I just installed
> Debian for the first time this past week and had planned to stick with
> etch, but wound up with Sid becaue of all the missing packages.

All this is IMHO.  Warning rant ahead:

1) testing not for users.  It is for debian maintainers putting the
   next stable release together.

   There is a mechanical aging process which lets packages come over
   from sid.  A package could get updated, wait, and just when it's
   about to land in testing, it gets some new minor update.  The
   package may work great the whole time, but it doesn't gets into
   testing for a long time.  When sid is revving heavily, you might
   never get an update since some dependency somewhere is getting an
   update.  I think that security is now doing updates for testing.
   They used to not do it and under that case testing was positively
   foolhardy.

   While it is usually solid, a breakage in testing can sometimes take
   ages to get fixed.  This is the nature of testing.  There is no
   manual override of the aging process.

2) Use "sarge" or "sid" instead.  Sarge is stable and everything works
   and is included.  Right now, it's not even superannuated.  Sid gets
   quick updates.  It might be broke once in a while, but it isn't
   broke for long.  (Of course it might really blow up and clobber
   your system if, e.g., libc.so get hosed.)

3) Do not use "stable" in your apt sources since that could surprise
   you when we get a new stable.  Stable releases are rare enough that
   manually changing /etc/apt/sources.list is not a problem.  Hence,
   the fixed name is better.

3) If you want to use "testing", put "etch" into your apt sources.  Of
   course, I could be extra perverse and argue that if you are a user
   who would be surprised you have no business running testing anyhow.

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kernel upgrade, no console

[Matt Price]

recently compiled a new kernel (2.6.14, with suspend2 patches applied)
& found that 
a) on boot the screen stayed blank until gdm started up, and 
b) once the system was up pressing ctrl-alt-f1 gave a wierd mash of
colors, so that the console is unusable (or almost -- once or twice
I've been able to switch into console and issue a couple of blind
commands, like "/etc/init.d/gdm restart").  

I was able to fix the former by removing the "vga=" option from the
kernel line in my grub entry, but the latter remains broken.  I
assume this has something to do with the framebuffer (maybe?), but I
have e.g. VESA and VGA support compiled into the kernel (not modules
as I have no initrd on this system -- wasn't working with suspend2,
doubtless b/c of my incompetence).  Not sure if I'm missing some other
crucial factor.

Anyone who can tell me where to look in my .config?

thanks,

matt




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Re: Multiple ISP connection

[mikepolniak]

On 18:39 Fri 11 Nov , choy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a web server connected indirectly to the Internet(ISP -> router
> -> server eth0). I've setup NAT port forward in the router so all web
> server connections are forwarded to server. Recently, I've added a new
> ethernet card(eth1) to the server, and it has a public ip(ISP ->
> server eth1). After ifup'ing eth1, I can't connect to my server from
> old IP(eth0) anymore, but from new ip is OK. If I ifdown eth1, eth0
> work as before.
> 
> So my question is: how can I config the server so both connection
> (eth0 and eth1) can connect to my server?
> 
One way to do this is with iproute. Read "Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic
Control HOWTO" sec 4.2  "Routing for multiple uplinks/providers";  
in which there are two providers that connect a local network (or even a 
single machine) to the big Internet.

http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN268

You will need to install "iproute" and set up routing tables in 
/etc/iproute2/rt_tables  something like this example, etc.

  ip route add $P1_NET dev $IF1 src $IP1 table T1
  ip route add default via $P1 table T1
  ip route add $P2_NET dev $IF2 src $IP2 table T2
  ip route add default via $P2 table T2



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Re: may-day\

[Piero Piutti]

> First of all, I'm italian, so if you think someone can give me help from
> Italy, I think it would be better both for you and me...

Ciao Cristian!

First of all congratulations for deciding to install Debian on your
pc: I'm sure you'll be satisfied by this choice. And this official
Debian mailinglist is the primary place where is possible to ask and
receive help from other Debian users, so welcome aboard, I hope you'll
enjoy the ride! ;-)

Nevertheless, if you're also looking for some advice/support/community
feel in our common mother language, there are a couple of enthusiastic
Italian Debian communities worth of noticing. Here are their links:

http://www.debianizzati.org/
http://www.debianitalia.org/

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Re: may-day\

[Björn Lindström]

Cristian Zapelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've surfed the Debian site and I'm very interested in getting this
> O.S. At the moment I have Xp installed on my PC, and to tell the
> truth, I don't wanna get rid of itanyway I want the Gnu/linux O.S.

You can install Debian alongside Windows. This is called "dual booting",
and you can find plenty of information about it on the web.

> 1)Which architecture shall I choose between the many I saw? What does
> the choise depend on?on my hardware?(I've a pentium 4, 3.40ghz)

That would be the i386 architecture.

> 2)i think i should download the latest stable version of Debianbut
> which files should i download(for example when I get to the mirror,
> i've a list of 14-15 files with torrent extension- shall i Download
> all of these files?)

If you have a network connection, one disc is enough. It will get the
packages you need from the net. If that is what you want to do, you can
get debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso

If you can't do a network installation, you should get
debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso. You can get the rest of the binary-n
discs if you need packages that aren't on the first one.


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Re: help needed for converting strings in a file

[Maurits van Rees]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:22:53PM +0530, Sourabh Bora wrote:
> In a web page the hyper links are written as
> 
> href="http://www.micronux.com/catalog/";
> 
>   i want this particular string to convert to
> 
> 
> href="./micronux.com_catalog"
> 
>   The logic is --1)delete http://www.
>   2) replace '/' '?' etc with '_'
> 

With sed and tr:

$ echo http://www.micronux.com/catalog/ | sed "s|http://www.|./|g" | tr "?/" _

or completely with sed:

$ echo http://www.micronux.com/catalog/ | sed "s|http://www.|./|g;s|[?/]|_|g"

Result:

._micronux.com_catalog_

You should be able to get rid of that underscore at the end if you
want.  If it doesn't work, come back to the list.

Thanks go to Michael Marsh in this thread for showing that you can use
'|' (or any character actually) instead of '/' as the delimiter in
regular expressions.  I wish I had known that earlier. :)

HTH,

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may-day\

[Cristian Zapelli]

Hi,
I've surfed the Debian site and I'm very interested in getting this O.S. 
At the moment I have  Xp installed on my PC, and to tell the truth, I 
don't wanna get rid of itanyway I want the Gnu/linux O.S.
First of all, I'm italian, so if you think someone can give me help from 
Italy, I think it would be better both for you and me...anyway,

here I expose to you some questions:
1)Which architecture shall I choose between the many I saw? What does 
the choise depend on?on my hardware?(I've a pentium 4, 3.40ghz)
2)i think i should download the latest stable version of Debianbut 
which files should i download(for example when I get to the mirror, i've 
a list of 14-15 files with torrent extension- shall i Download all of 
these files?)

Up to now I think this shoul be enough...
Sorry for disturbing you, but i'm neophyte of Devian and i need your help
Thank you so much, i hope you can cooperate with me
Good bye,
Cristian.



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Re: player for wav

[Adam Funk]

roberto wrote:

> $ file 1.wav
> 1.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, MPEG Layer 3, stereo 48000
> Hz
> 
> so according to
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/03/msg04680.html
> 
> it should be correct, and file is played but at a higher rate so
> voices are reproduced too fast and not a word is clearly understood

You can resample wav files with sox.  I haven't done it for a while, so the
following might be wrong, but it should be close enough for you to start
experimenting:

sox 1.wav -w -r 44100 1-resampled.wav resample

HTH.


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xeon 64 kernel compatibility

[Tom Stockton - 2Ergo Technical Support]

Hello,

Apologies if this has been previously discussed, however the list search
facility is not working at the moment.

In broad terms, will the same kernel that runs on a standard xeon cpu,
run on the 64bit version ?  Does anybody have any experience with this
that they could share with me ?

I am specifically looking at purchasing one of these ..

http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6024/SYS-6024H-82R.cfm

but am unsure what problems I may encounter trying to run the same
kernel that I run on my ...

http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6023/SYS-6023P-8R.cfm

Thanks in advance.
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Re: please help -- debian crontab and at problem

[Wei Hu]

what i need is a BitTorrent client wich can work with 'crontab' or  'at'.


> There are many.  Google search for "remote X apps" or "remote X
> applications."
>
> -Roberto

Re: please help -- debian crontab and at problem

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:51:12AM +0300, Maxim Vexler wrote:
> On 11/11/05, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:06:04AM +1100, Wei Hu wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > Once possible solution is start up a "dummy" display and then let your
> > cron job display to that one, either by allowing anyone to display to
> > the "dummy" display or by setting up the magic cookie, or whatever other
> > mechanism you choose.
> >
> 
> Magic cookie? dummy display?
> 
> Please, reference / howto / web page / something to read.

There are many.  Google search for "remote X apps" or "remote X
applications."

-Roberto

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Re: Many packages missing from testing

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:37:49PM -0700, Scott wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >>
> >Please do a quick Google search.  This topic has been rehashed many many
> >many many (did I mention many?) times over the past few years.
> >-Roberto
> 
> Actually it hasn't been "over the past few years".  The problem he is 
> speaking 
> of is somewhat different and was mentioned in another message earlier in this 
> thread
> 
> ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg01380.html )
> 
> I love it when people who think they are right (and aren't) rudly rub other's 
> noses in thier "error""

His idea is really no different.  There have been plenty of disussions
in the past about how to restructure Debian to make it more "desktop
fiendly."

There has been talk of splitting into a "desktop" release and a "server"
release.  There has been talk of releasing every six months (like
Fedora) and many proposals about modifying the testing propogation
process.  The point is, that there is no way to make everyone happy.

As it stands, Debian prizes stability over most everything else, at
least in its Stable release.  Thus, if you want the most current
applications, then unstable is the place to be.  The original proposal,
to add something like testing-new would best be implemented as an alias
to unstable, since adding an entire new distribution would be very
expensive in terms of infrastructure and package maintainer effort.

I was not trying to discount him or "rub his nose in it."  I was simply
pointing out that he was treadign a well-worn path and that a bit of
Google searching would reveal rationale for why things are the way they
currently are.

-Roberto

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Re: please help -- debian crontab and at problem

[Wei Hu]

I just tested btdownloadcurses, btdownloadheadless, btdownloadgui, but
none of them work with 'crontab' or 'at' command. while it work well
if I type the command in the terminal.

Can someone explain why wget can do this kind of job, but azureus,
btdownloadheadless, etc can NOT do it?

anyone use cron to download file with bt? which client do you use? thanks a lot.

On 11/11/05, Maxim Vexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/11/05, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:06:04AM +1100, Wei Hu wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > Once possible solution is start up a "dummy" display and then let your
> > cron job display to that one, either by allowing anyone to display to
> > the "dummy" display or by setting up the magic cookie, or whatever other
> > mechanism you choose.
> >
>
> Magic cookie? dummy display?
>
> Please, reference / howto / web page / something to read.
>
> > -Roberto
> > --
> > Roberto C. Sanchez
> > http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto
> >
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Maxim Vexler (hq4ever).
>
> Do u GNU ?
>

Re: Unrar

[李远亮]

在 2005-11-11五的 09:38 +0530，Siju George写道：
> Hi,
> 
> Where do I get unrar package from??? it is a suggested package for
> clamav but gives this message while trying to install
> 
> vsrv:~# apt-get install clamav unrar lha clamav-docs arj unzoo
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> is only available from another source
> E: Package unrar has no installation candidate
> 
> Thankyou so much
> 
> kind Regards
> 
> Siju
> 
> 
you can download a linux version "winrar" in its homepage.