Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday, 11 January 2006 at  1:50:52 -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 January 2006 01:39 am, David Kirchner wrote:
> > On 1/10/06, kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however
> > > trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user. The
[...]
> 
> I think that's a good point.  This list is not a good place for a newbie.  

I have to say that I am not entirely in agreement with that.  On the
whole, this is a very supportive environment, and an excellent learning
place.  Lifelong revolutionary that I am, I vote for the status quo!

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Re: unsubscribe

2006-01-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday, 11 January 2006 at 17:02:35 +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote:
> 
> Get back, no-one leaves!
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Re: Recommendation for newsreader

2006-01-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 10:06:20 -0800, Will L (sent by Nabble.com) 
wrote:
[...]
> 
> >> Try search the Debian archive on Nabble: 
> >> http://www.nabble.com/Debian-User-f32.html
> > 
> > That is a good resource.  Pity it's not subthreaded, so to speak. But
> > very useful anyway.
> > 
> 
> Richard,
> 
> Do you mean a threaded view of the messages? The messages in Nabble archive 
> defaults to a dump view, but there is a "View Threaded" link under each post, 
> click that you will see the threaded view.

Oops, so there is.  more haste less speed.  Yes, nabble is cool.

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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 01:39 am, David Kirchner wrote:
> On 1/10/06, kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however
> > trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user. The
> > final corrected version will be uploaded to
> > http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html . I am posting
> > the initial version for your kind consideration.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > raju
>
> I think there should also be something addressing the underlying
> problem(s). It seems to me that the main reason people want a
> debian-newcomers list is because they don't want to see so many newbie
> questions come along on this list. The actual problem is that the
> system is not quite newbie-proof.

I think that's a good point.  This list is not a good place for a newbie.  
While there are a lot of helpful people here, there are some intolerant or 
overly literally minded people who feel everyone should think like they do 
and can be quite abrupt and even nasty to people that ask questions they, as 
a Debian admin with years of experience, consider dumb.

I see this as just a symptom of the larger problem you see everywhere in the 
world: intolerance of those who think differently, may have different skill 
sets, or may need different (or more) help than others do.

But the idea of a newbie-proof system reveals a nasty prejudice against those 
wanting to get involved and to learn, but don't have the skills yet.

Maybe the solution would be not to create a debian-newbie list, but to create 
a debian-advanced-user list, so those that are going to be judgemental or 
ugly to newbies can stay on that list.  Just the name would be enough to 
discourage most newbies from trying that list, whether the focus was on only 
really advanced topics or not.

My personal belief is that it is important for any group to welcome newcomers 
and willingly help them get used to the groups ways and styles, otherwise the 
group won't grow, but will shrink through attrition.

> We, the experienced, ought to try and improve the processes and the
> documentation, which would lead to less newbie frustration.

+1.

No.  +10.

> There's certainly a limit to how much you can document and hand-hold a
> user, but we're not even close to that point yet.

That is true -- and telling people to RTFM when they are likely not sure what 
manual to read, or where it is, or even how to understand a manual written by 
programmers for programmers and administrators is not an easy way to get rid 
of the problem, but a way to either push people away or to ensure the problem 
continues.  (A good answer will at least help some people when they search or 
Google for it.)

Hal


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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however
> trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user. The
> final corrected version will be uploaded to
> http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html . I am posting
> the initial version for your kind consideration.
> 
Cool, great work. A few thoughts:

Q2. I think that google should be the first place to search and the
first question to answer.

I think that the second question should be a link to ESR
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
This would permit new users learn how to ask questions with better
chance to get answers.

Q3. It would be better to specify distributions by name (sarge, etch,
sid) in order to better archive the post. You can search later for the
problem and have a clue of what distribution they apply to.

Q4. I think that you should remark the removing of parts irrelevant to
the answer in order to remain to the point in the replys to the post.

Overall, this is a very good start.

PD. What is needed in order to add a link to this faq in the automated
mail sent during list subscription. It is possible? There is some place
in the policy of the list or in debian's that says that it is impossible?


> Thanks in advance
> raju

Regards,
Miguel Cobá


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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread David Kirchner
On 1/10/06, kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however
> trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user. The
> final corrected version will be uploaded to
> http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html . I am posting
> the initial version for your kind consideration.
>
> Thanks in advance
> raju

I think there should also be something addressing the underlying
problem(s). It seems to me that the main reason people want a
debian-newcomers list is because they don't want to see so many newbie
questions come along on this list. The actual problem is that the
system is not quite newbie-proof.

We, the experienced, ought to try and improve the processes and the
documentation, which would lead to less newbie frustration.

There's certainly a limit to how much you can document and hand-hold a
user, but we're not even close to that point yet.



Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread Kent West

kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:

I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however 
trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user.


Looks very good.


  5. As questions tend to be referred to debian-user and due to the
 dilemma of "appropriate mailing list to post", people tend to ask
 the same question on multiple mailing lists. ...



This sentence is a bit obtuse and needs to be rewritten in my 
estimation. Perhaps something like:


*/As questions tend to be referred to debian-user, and due to the 
dilemma of not knowing to which list one should post, people tend to 
ask the same question on multiple mailing lists./* This will defeat 
the whole purpose of creating a separate list for newcomers and 
increases the net traffic many times. Moreover all the replies might 
not be CCed to all the mailing lists. As a result, people experiencing 
the same problem at a later time and reading the archives will have to 
go through similar looking posts on different mailing lists to find 
the correct answer.



or:

*/Since people may not know which list would be appropriate for their 
issue, they wind up cross-posting to both lists. Also, since some 
issues may be referred from one list to the other, this also causes 
cross-posting of the issue. /*This will defeat the whole purpose of 
creating a separate list for newcomers and increases the net traffic 
many times. Moreover all the replies might not be CCed to all the 
mailing lists. As a result, people experiencing the same problem at a 
later time and reading the archives will have to go through similar 
looking posts on different mailing lists to find the correct answer.





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RE: unsubscribe

2006-01-10 Thread Matthew Joyce

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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:49:02 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 1. First of all, if there is a newcomer list, think about who its
>   subscribers will be. It will most probably be newcomers who are
>   having some problems and need advice/suggestions/pointers
> etc., . But the people hanging in those lists are as ignorant as
> others. Most of the replies will be "I too have the same problem. But
> I do not know how to solve it." or something similar to that extent.


Perhaps the term, "ignorant," is too full of bad connotations.  Maybe
you could use, "inexperienced," instead.

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modelines in new Xorg: (Was Re: DRI and XV gone to the doghouse -- inspiron4000)

2006-01-10 Thread Tim Connors
"David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:12:28 -0800:
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:49:18 +1100 (EST)
> Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > G'day all,
> > 
> > I have an Dull Inspiron 4000, which always used to have working DRI and XV 
> > under kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x.  The video card is a Rage 128:
> > 
> 
> snipping some of this - as I have etch running xorg 6.8 on a Matrox
> Millenium AGP - yet I have some of the same problems as you :(.
> 
> > Now, after "upgrading", glxinfo and glxgears segfault:
> 
> glxgears doesn't segfault, but some other gl using progs (example
> stellarium) do - because of some glx visuals coming back "not
> supported" and/or "slow" in glxinfo.

OK, so I changed two things.  I modprobed agpgart and then r128
manually, instead of relying on them being in that order in
/etc/modules.conf.  The second thing I did, was to `aptitude install
xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-dri xlibmesa-glu xlibmesa3 xlibmesa-dev
libglide3` since they got uninstalled somewhere along the line in an
upgrade.  Dunno why.  But that now works -- dunno which of the two
things I did above was the one responsible for fixing the breakage.

Now the problem is that X seems to ignore my modelines I need for my 
1280x1024 fixed frequency monitor (the IBM_mode_1, 2, and 3 lines that 
appear in the xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log files attached).

Anyone know why this would be?  Could it be something to do with the LCD 
display, despite me having told X to use the CRT (which is dutifully does, 
just getting the wrong modelines)?

It worked in the last version of X, so I don't know what has changed...

xorg.conf:
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the
# Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
#   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
#   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

Section "Files"
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType"
FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
 Option "BlankTime" "60"
 Option "StandbyTime" "60"
 Option "SuspendTime" "60"
 Option "OffTime" "90"
 Option "Accel" "true"
 Option "AGPMode2x"
 Option "AGPMode"  "2"
 Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "IBM"
VendorName  "IBM 19inch+Sun 19inch"
ModelName   "6091/19"

HorizSync  50-120  #Heck; too many valid modes. Lets just 
enable them all and be wery wery careful
VertRefresh 50-160

DisplaySize 406 304

#Option   "NoDPMS"

  Modeline "IBM_mode_1"  89.20  1024 1045 1205 1408  1024 1027 1030 1056 -hsync 
-vsync
  Modeline "IBM_mode_2"   111.50   1280 1298 1498 1756   1024 1024 1035 1040 
-hsync -vsync
  # old sun monitor: Modeline "IBM_mode_3"   120.00   1280 1312 1472 1696   
1024 1027 1030 1052 -hsync -vsync
  # new sun monitor:
#  From bohr:
#  Modeline "IBM_mode_3"   120.00   1280 1312 1472 1696   1024 1027 1030 1060 
-hsync -vsync
#  To scuzzie:
  Modeline "IBM_mode_3"120.00   1280 1308 1468 1696   1024 1027 1030 1060 
-hsync -vsync


  

  Modeline "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"   120.00   1280 1300 1460 1696   1024 1027 1030 
1052 -hsync -vsync
  #Modeline "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"   120.00   1280 1312 1472 1696   1024 1027 1030 
1052 -hsync -vsync
  ModeLine "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  83.87   1024 1052 1348 1396768  769  776  
808
  ModeLine "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  80.79904  924 1212 1256675  676  
683  717
  ModeLine "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"   72.56768  792 1048 1088576  577  585  
621
  ModeLine "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  71.86720  748 1004 1048576  577  585  
621
  Modeline "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"   70.24640  652  900  936512  513  521  
560 -hsync -vsync

EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load

FAQ on debian newcomer list

2006-01-10 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however 
trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user. The 
final corrected version will be uploaded to 
http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html . I am posting 
the initial version for your kind consideration.


Thanks in advance
raju

beginning of the FAQ--


Why is there no separate list for Newbies? Can you create one? Should I 
create one?


There are many reasons why a newbie list has not been setup. Though the 
idea sounds good, it is not considered very useful (read below). There 
are many reasons why this is so. I will try to explain a few.


  1. First of all, if there is a newcomer list, think about who its
 subscribers will be. It will most probably be newcomers who are
 having some problems and need advice/suggestions/pointers etc., .
 But the people hanging in those lists are as ignorant as others.
 Most of the replies will be "I too have the same problem. But I do
 not know how to solve it." or something similar to that extent.

  2. Because of the lack of expertise on the newcomer list, most
 questions will eventually be referred to debian-user. This will
 only lead to frustration as the newcomers find their questions
 unanswered or answered at a very slow pace or referred to
 somewhere else.

  3. Imagine another scenario. A question really belongs to the newbie
 list but was asked on the debian-user. Someone or the other will
 post a nasty reply to this "to go seek help from the newbie list".
 This will also eventually lead to the frustration of the newcomer.

  4. Most importantly, a newbie might not know whether his question is
 complicated enough to post in the debian-user or is trivial enough
 to post in the newbie list. If he knows how tough the problem at
 hand is then most likely he would have solved it by himself rather
 than seeking the help of others.

  5. As questions tend to be referred to debian-user and due to the
 dilemma of "appropriate mailing list to post", people tend to ask
 the same question on multiple mailing lists. This will defeat the
 whole purpose of creating a separate list for newcomers and
 increases the net traffic many times. Moreover all the replies
 might not be CCed to all the mailing lists. As a result, people
 experiencing the same problem at a later time and reading the
 archives will have to go through similar looking posts on
 different mailing lists to find the correct answer.

  6. Having multiple lists for the same purpose only leads to
 fragmentation of the user base and the expertise.

 I might have missed a few, but you get the general idea.

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Re: Installation CDs for potato (Debian 2.2)

2006-01-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 01:23:51AM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> J.Moore wrote:
> > I need to do an install of Debian 2.2 (potato) to do some maintenance on
> > an old application. The author claims it will only run on the 2.2
> > kernel, and I want to eliminate as many variables as possible.
> You need a 2.2 kernel, not a distribution with that version number. Either
> find a 2.2 kernel package in RedHat/Fedora, or download and build one from
> www.kernel.org
> 

I have in my library a set of install CDs for Debian 2.2 r5 "Potato". They
contain kernel-image-2.0.38 and kernel-image-2.2.19 . Someone with a longer
memory than mine might remember which was the default install kernel. I
suspect 2.0.38 was default. So what does OP really need? Probably, as he
says: he needs Debian 2.2 and he needs to check with his software supplier
about which kernel version 2.0.38 or 2.2.19 he should install to run his
tests. 

If all else fails, I can (snail) mail the CDs from Colorado, USA.

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Re: DRI and XV gone to the doghouse -- inspiron4000

2006-01-10 Thread David E. Fox
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:49:18 +1100 (EST)
Tim Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> G'day all,
> 
> I have an Dull Inspiron 4000, which always used to have working DRI and XV 
> under kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x.  The video card is a Rage 128:
> 

snipping some of this - as I have etch running xorg 6.8 on a Matrox
Millenium AGP - yet I have some of the same problems as you :(.

> Now, after "upgrading", glxinfo and glxgears segfault:

glxgears doesn't segfault, but some other gl using progs (example
stellarium) do - because of some glx visuals coming back "not
supported" and/or "slow" in glxinfo.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ glxinfo -b
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x27
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x28
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2b
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2c
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2f
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x30

I haven't really tried drirc or trying to configure dri on this system,
and really don't understand how. Another reference system (booting
knoppix and/or mepis) runs stellarium fine - with dri enabled just
fine. But they use Xfree and not Xorg.

 (mplayer output snipped)

> X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)

Now that I'm running etch, I'm noticing this more and more often -
almost every instance of mplayer(1) needs -vo x11 to work properly.
Prior to this, I was able to sometimes use -vo xv, or -vo sdl (little
faster) but never -vo mga, which is what I'd prefer to do. Also,
without using an alias, some programs such as kmplayer which depend on
mplayer will silently fail because mplayer(1) fails, because -vo x11 is
not attached.

(mplayer here was compiled from source ---  
> 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mplayer -v
MPlayer 1.0pre7try2-3.4.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon Thunderbird (Family: 6, Stepping: 2)
Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx

> (II) Loading extension XVideo
> ...

grepping Xorg.log shows that XVideo gets loaded fine, but mga_hal
module does not load. Dunno if that is important.

Unfortunately, I don't know DRI well enough to figure this out. I
suspect problems WRT some modules in Xorg - at one time (rev 7 I think)
it stopped working -- waiting for it to get fixed :).


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Re: Installation CDs for potato (Debian 2.2)

2006-01-10 Thread swm
If I'm not mistaken, Debian 3.0 (Woody) used 2.2.20 (according to 
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian).

I located a list of mirrors at: 
http://iso.linuxquestions.org/version.php?version=14

Also, some of the CD vendors listed at http://www.us.debian.org/CD/vendors/ 
allow you to request specific versions.

Good luck
-Steve



On Tuesday 10 January 2006 06:42 pm, J.Moore wrote:
> I need to do an install of Debian 2.2 (potato) to do some maintenance on
> an old application. The author claims it will only run on the 2.2
> kernel, and I want to eliminate as many variables as possible.
>
> I finally located the 2.2 distro on archives.debian.org, but have not
> been able to find the installation cd iso's. The documentation I found
> for installing 2.2 says they exist, but they don't seem to be anywhere
> in the archive.
>
> I've never run or installed Debian before (Red Hat & Fedora user for
> several years), so perhaps I've overlooked something obvious. Please
> excuse my ignorance, but I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a
> clue.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay


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Re: Installation CDs for potato (Debian 2.2)

2006-01-10 Thread Felipe Sateler
J.Moore wrote:
> I need to do an install of Debian 2.2 (potato) to do some maintenance on
> an old application. The author claims it will only run on the 2.2
> kernel, and I want to eliminate as many variables as possible.
You need a 2.2 kernel, not a distribution with that version number. Either
find a 2.2 kernel package in RedHat/Fedora, or download and build one from
www.kernel.org


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Re: dpkg-reconfigure debconf

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:13:03 -0500
"David R. Litwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > ummm... its in your subject line. though you need sudo or to be root.
> >
> > dpkg-reconfigure debconf
> >
> > then select dialog.
> 
> 
> If only it were that simplex!
> 
> I changed the dialogue to KDE which means it needs X which I un-installed.
> It won't let me reconfigure any thing.
> 
> Does that make sense? It's not obvious what the problem is, I know. Bear
> with me.

okay okay I get it. you can't reconfigure debconf because reconfigure wants to 
use KDE... 

well per man debconf, there is more info in debconf(7) part of debconf-doc. 
apt-get install debconf-doc; man 7 debconf; found this:

passing --frontend= to dpkg-reconfigure will specify the frontend to use. so try

the options are dialog, readline, etc etc.

sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf --frontend=dialog 

should do the trick.

I gotta say that's a really interesting pickle you got into there, but I'm 
ecstatic that debian thought of a way out of it...

A
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: aspell error in sarge

2006-01-10 Thread Rodney D. Myers
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:09:42 -0500
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Both gaim and sylpheed-claws have been rebuilt with security updates.
> Do the pre-security-updated-versions work?
> 
> Also, what architecture are you using?  i386, aka x86?

Now that we're through the holidays.

Any further ideas? I would like to get gaim & sylpheed-claws running on
my laptop, and 2 other computers running stable?

Still not working as of today

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure debconf

2006-01-10 Thread David R. Litwin
ummm... its in your subject line. though you need sudo or to be root.dpkg-reconfigure debconf
then select dialog.If only it were that simplex!I changed the dialogue to KDE which means it needs X which I un-installed. It won't let me reconfigure any thing.Does that make sense? It's not obvious what the problem is, I know. Bear with me.
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Re: dpkg-reconfigure debconf

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:59:57 -0500
"David R. Litwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> During a normal Sid upgrade to the latest xorg, some thing went wrong and it
> didn't work. When it rebooted and dropped me straight to a terminal, I said,
> no problem; I'll apt-get install xserver-xorg. It didn't work. I removed X
> (since it never compiled properly in the first place) and tried to reinstall
> it. It needs debconf and friends. Well, I had set dpkg-reconfigure debconf
> to use KDE-style dialogues. That's very nice, but now I need to use it with
> out X so that I can get X.
> 
> So, the question is: How do I reconfigure debconf to use dialogue (or which
> ever the option it is not to use KDE or Gnome style dialogues)?
> 
> Thanks kindly in advance.
> 
> (And yes, I know removing X wasn't so smart. I admitt, I gaffed a bit.
> Please don't boil me in a cauldron ;) )

ummm... its in your subject line. though you need sudo or to be root.

dpkg-reconfigure debconf

then select dialog.

A

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Installation CDs for potato (Debian 2.2)

2006-01-10 Thread J.Moore
I need to do an install of Debian 2.2 (potato) to do some maintenance on
an old application. The author claims it will only run on the 2.2
kernel, and I want to eliminate as many variables as possible.

I finally located the 2.2 distro on archives.debian.org, but have not
been able to find the installation cd iso's. The documentation I found
for installing 2.2 says they exist, but they don't seem to be anywhere
in the archive.

I've never run or installed Debian before (Red Hat & Fedora user for
several years), so perhaps I've overlooked something obvious. Please
excuse my ignorance, but I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a
clue.

Thanks,
Jay


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dpkg-reconfigure debconf

2006-01-10 Thread David R. Litwin
During a normal Sid upgrade to the latest xorg, some thing went wrong and it didn't work. When it rebooted and dropped me straight to a terminal, I said, no problem; I'll apt-get install xserver-xorg. It didn't work. I removed X (since it never compiled properly in the first place) and tried to reinstall it. It needs debconf and friends. Well, I had set dpkg-reconfigure debconf to use KDE-style dialogues. That's very nice, but now I need to use it with out X so that I can get X.
So, the question is: How do I reconfigure debconf to use dialogue (or which ever the option it is not to use KDE or Gnome style dialogues)?Thanks kindly in advance.(And yes, I know removing X wasn't so smart. I admitt, I gaffed a bit. Please don't boil me in a cauldron ;) )
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yaird problem with kernel-image-2.6-686-smp

2006-01-10 Thread Joshua Swink
When I try to install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp, the package fails to
set up. I get the following errors:

Setting up linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp (2.6.15-1) ...
Running depmod.
Finding valid ramdisk creators.
Using mkinitrd.yaird to build the ramdisk.
yaird error: '/dev/hda1' not found (/etc/fstab:5) (fatal)
Failed to create initrd image.
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9

Line 5 of /etc/fstab is:

/dev/hda1   /   ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1

How can this be fixed?

Josh



Re: Local --> apt

2006-01-10 Thread Ryan Nowakowski
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:26:27PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> Is there any way to moving a /usr/local installation into apt, meeting 
> dependencies, etc. Most information is in the configure program with the 
> application being compiled.

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Re: gvim window activated by mutt doesn't get focus in xfwm4

2006-01-10 Thread Simon Huggins
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:33:19AM -0200, Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragao wrote:
> Simon Huggins wrote on Jan,  9:
> > > With KDE, when I edited a mail in mutt, a new buffer was created in
> > > gvim, its window was raised and got focus. With xfwm4, the window is
> > > raised but doesn't gain focus. I tried it with fluxbox, and it behaves
> > > like KDE: the gvim window is raised and gets focus.
> > What version of xfwm4?
> ii  xfwm4  4.2.3.2-2  window manager of the Xfce project

Okie.

> > What do you have in the settings of the window manager under the focus
> > tab?

> 
> 
> 
> 

> FocusRaise raises a window that got focus. The problem I observed is exactly 
> the opposite: to give focus to a window that got raised. FocusNewWindow 
> doesn't apply because a new window is not being created in this scenario.

Oh right, sorry.  I've misunderstood then.  I thought you were talking
about a new window.

What do you mean instead?

Simon.

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Re: Firefox error following recent Sid upgrade

2006-01-10 Thread Gabriel Parrondo
Greg Norris wrote:>On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 02:17:06PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:>  >>>I just did a large upgrade in Sid, with xorg among other packages>>involved. Firefox now looks odd: large spaces between lines and fonts
>>different. There is also the following error message:>>    This could be caused by an incompatible extension.  Try launching >firefox from an xterm, with the "-safemode"
>-safe-mode> parameter... is the problem >still present?>>>  >-- Cheers--Gabriel ParrondoLinux User #404138"In theory there's no difference between the theory and the practice. In the practice There is."



Problem mounting 2GB SD card in USB card reader

2006-01-10 Thread Steven Flintham
Hi, 

I'm running Debian 3.1 and have been using a couple of 512MB SD cards in
my USB card reader without any problems. I'm running the standard 2.4
kernel and have the following in /etc/fstab:

/dev/sdc1   /media/mmc  vfatrw,user,noauto  0   0

When I do:

mount /media/mmc

the SD card mounts fine, and dmesg shows:

SCSI device sdc: 1002496 512-byte hdwr sectors (513 MB)
sdc: Write Protect is off
 /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun2: p1

I've recently bought a 2GB SD card, which seems to work fine (at least
as far as my Treo 600 is concerned). However, when I put it in the card
reader and try to mount it, the process hangs (the system is fine, it's
just that process which seems unkillable - I'm writing this with the
system in this state) and dmesg shows:

SCSI device sdc: 2031616 1024-byte hdwr sectors (2080 MB)
sdc: Write Protect is off
 /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun2:<6>usb.c: USB disconnect on device
 00:07.2-2address 2
 hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-2, assigned address 3
 WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
 USB Mass Storage device found at 3

I've tried running:

mkdosfs /dev/sdc1

which works fine with a 512MB card but produces a similar process hang
with the 2GB card.

I tried using the 2.6.8 kernel but when I installed it and rebooted, my
system seemed to encounter a kernel panic - I have to admit I haven't
investigated this in any great detail.

I don't have any other operating systems installed so I can't tell if my
card reader is somehow incompatible with 2GB cards, but I tried booting
off an old version of Knoppix (3.6 2004-08-16) which I had lying around.
Under that I can't seem to manage to mount even my 512MB card, so that
wasn't much help.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, and apologies if I somehow
managed to miss any advice on this when I searched the debian-user
archives.

Steve


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Re: Possible Firefox Bug?

2006-01-10 Thread David R. Litwin
David,Am I mistaken or did I see a recent post from you about some sortof flakiness in your wireless internet connection?  Could a lost
connection be causing firefox to reload the page?You know, I never considered that. I some how don't think that is it, but it is an interesting theory. The reason I don't think that that is the cause is two-fold. One, I'm connected when it happens (I can recall going about my business) and two, Firefox does not seem to be reloading; only refreshing (the difference being the former takes information from the web-site, the latter, well, doesn't.)
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Re: Logrotate don't route

2006-01-10 Thread David Jardine
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:09:57PM +0100, Marco wrote:
> David Jardine ha scritto:
> >On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:12:46PM +0100, Marco wrote:
> >  
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have make in /etc/logrotate.d a new file (as name backup) for rotate 
> >>my backup's log.
> >>This is the text in my file:
> >>/var/log/backup {
> >>   rotate 4
> >>   monthly
> >>   compress
> >>   delaycompress
> >>   missingok
> >>   notifempty
> >>   create 640 root adm
> >>}
> >>I have also restart my system, but my log don't route.
> >>
> >
> >Have you tried it with the -f option, i.e,
> >
> >logrotate -f /var/log/backup
> >
> >from the command line?  If that works, it may be that your computer 
> >was simply not switched on at the time logrotate should have been 
> >doing its job.
> >
> >  
> I David
> I have try with "logrotate -f /var/log/backup I have these errors:
> 
> error: razor-agent.log:1 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
> error: razor-agent.log:1 unexpected text
> error: razor-agent.log:2 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
> error: razor-agent.log:2 unexpected text
> error: razor-agent.log:3 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
> error: razor-agent.log:3 unexpected text
> error: razor-agent.log:4 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
> error: razor-agent.log:4 unexpected text
> error: razor-agent.log:5 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
> error: razor-agent.log:5 unexpected text
> ...
> error: razor-agent.log:174 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
> error: razor-agent.log:174 unexpected text
> 
> This is the extract of my backup.log
> 
> ott 15 17:17:30 [Beta Backup System] Starting backup ...
> ott 15 17:17:30 [Beta Backup System] logfile 
> /var/backups/2005.10.15-17.17-beta-backup.log created
> ott 15 17:17:38 [Beta Backup System] Backup finished.
> 
> Help :-(

Sorry, Marco, I wasn't thinking too clearly when I replied.  

The filename at the end of the command line must be the name of 
the configuration file.

The filename at the top of the configuration file must be the 
name of the file to be rotated.

Is your logfile named - exactly - "/var/log/backup"?  If so, 

logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/backup

should work.  

In fact, it's more usual, I think, to put details in the 
/etc/logrotate.conf file, leaving the logrotate.d directory for 
packages to put their configurations in, but I can't see what 
difference it would make.

What seems to have happened is that logrotate looked for the 
configuration in your logfile and couldn't to anything with it.  
But I don't know what that "razor-agent" is all about.  Perhaps 
you do...

I hope that works now.

Cheers,
David

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Re: display popup message on X with crontab

2006-01-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 03:41:52PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How would I popup an informative message on X from a crontab entry?
> 
> There is xmessage, but from crontab?

Set your $DISPLAY variable appropriately.

DISPLAY=:0.0 xmessage "My message"

... should work, if not in your crontab entry itself then in a script
called by same.  ":0.0" should work for most circumstances.


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Re: tar: --delete macht tar-Archiv korrupt

2006-01-10 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 04:51:59PM +0100, Matthias Meyer wrote:
> Mache ich was falsch?

Ja: du solltest mal nach die deutsche
debian-user-german@lists.debian.org Liste mailen. :) Siehe:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/ 

Die Liste wohin du jetzt gesendet hast, ist eine englische Liste.

[For clarity in English: please use the German list.  Or rephrase your
question in English of course.]

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display popup message on X with crontab

2006-01-10 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hi,

How would I popup an informative message on X from a crontab entry?

There is xmessage, but from crontab?

Thanks!

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Re: an advice about security.

2006-01-10 Thread Anders Breindahl
On 2006-01-10  1257, Mauro Sanna wrote:
> Hello.
> My users connect via a samba server to their home directories and to a 
> develop directory that is /home/develop.
> Then they copy all the data from /home/develop to /var/www/final.
> Now they want to connect directly to /var/www/final to avoid the copy.
> Can I share /var/www/final with samba or it can be a security problem?

Well. It could be a security ``risk'', in the sense that it would be
possible for your developers to put up files, that trigger an exploit of
your httpd (and the parsers it may feature), and thereby gain control of
your system. However, that would be directly malicious from your users,
and you'd be having a lot of other concerns if you were to counter such
hostility.

If I understand you correctly, you migrate from having your users commit into 
their
homedirs and then commiting that into the final-dir, to having them
commit directly into the final-dir. That might be dangerous, as your
developers may more easily override already-correct files.

As I see it, you could go ahead with your plan as is, bearing in mind
that it is sub-optimal.
You could attempt a remedy on your current scheme, and have a cronjob
copy the data of /home/develop to /var/www/final every night or the
like. If you go with this approach, you really shold keep a backup of
the final-dir, at least a week back.
But, as another poster pointed out, your developers would be better off
learning to use CVS, or rather, subversion. Those are fully-fledged
systems for collaborating on source code and the likes.

Regards, Anders Breindahl.


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Re: Problem with kdm 3.5 not starting

2006-01-10 Thread Almut Behrens
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:07:10PM +, David Goodenough wrote:
> I have a sacrificial machine which I keep fully up to date with  unstable.
> 
> This morning KDE 3.5 arrived, so I installed it.  It seems to work just fine 
> if I start it with startx.
> 
> BUT kdm will not start, and in the file /var/log/kdm.log there is an 
> error saying the on the X command, the -br option is not recognised.
> 
> I have tried purging kdm and reinstalling to see if any of its config files
> needed updating, but that that did not cure the problem.
> 
> The only "odd" thing about this machine is that it has a very old S3
> graphics chip, which is not supported by x.org.  So I use the old S3
> XFree86 xserver.  
> 
> I have so far been unable to find where X is being invoked with the
> -br option, any pointers would be gratefully accepted.

I think it's configured in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc - something like ServerArgs
or ServerCmd.  That's from memory, though (not running kdm/KDE here).
In case that should be wrong, try "grep -r -e -br /etc/kde3" to locate
other likely candidates...

Cheers,
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Where is postrotate script? (was: logrotate + mysql = "Help!")

2006-01-10 Thread Eric d'Alibut
On 1/10/06, Jay Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> um... n/m I had a different error, I meant to reply to an 
> older
> post by someone else who had the same error...
> Sorry for the mixup and getting your hopes up  Still, who knows, maybe 
> it'll
> work ;)

No biggie; A for effort!

I think my question now is, as reflected in the new and improved
subject header, where is the postrotate script referenced by the error
message? What is this thing?

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Re: Possible Firefox Bug?

2006-01-10 Thread David Jardine
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:37:27AM -0500, David R. Litwin wrote:
> >
> >
> > Does this just happen on any webpage? Can you also give some example URLs?
> > >
> >
> >
> > As I was writing the response to the previous E-Mail in this thread (I use
> > GMail (online)), it did it. It blanked for a few seconds and went to the top
> > of the page. I can't think of any others at the moment. I shall mark them
> > down when next it happens and let you know.
> >
> 
> http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparties/leaders/bio_otherleaders.htmland
> another yester-eve when I was signing up for a new account. It was an
> https, so now we know that this refresh is a Firefox-in-general problem and
> not a Firefox-by-the-page problem.

David, 

Am I mistaken or did I see a recent post from you about some sort 
of flakiness in your wireless internet connection?  Could a lost 
connection be causing firefox to reload the page?

> 
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> ???My hover-craft is full of eels.
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Re: Live Video via USB 2.0 from Sony DCR-TRV33 Camcorder

2006-01-10 Thread Matthew Lenz
i know thats not possible with my JVC which has USB .. you should be
able to do it with the firewire port just fine though.

also Jay he's using an smp kernel because its a hyper-threaded cpu.
AFAIK at some point there wont even be a separate smp compile it'll just
assume smp and not use it if its not there.

On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 14:28 -0500, Jay Zach wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> David R. Litwin wrote:
> > I should like to be able to see the live video from my Sony DCR-TRV33
> > Camcorder on my Sid 2.6.14-686-smp KDE Pentium 4 Hyper-Threading Toshiba
> > laptop machine (I hope that tells you what I'm running) using USB
> 
> Off-Topic, but why would you be running an smp kernel on a laptop?
> 
> 
> - --
> - 
> 
> 
> My uncle Murray conquered Egypt in 53 B.C.  And I can prove it too!!
> 
> Tuesday Jan 10, 2006
> 
> - 
> 
> 
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Re: Logrotate don't route

2006-01-10 Thread Marco

David Jardine ha scritto:

On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:12:46PM +0100, Marco wrote:
  

Hi all,

I have make in /etc/logrotate.d a new file (as name backup) for rotate 
my backup's log.

This is the text in my file:
/var/log/backup {
   rotate 4
   monthly
   compress
   delaycompress
   missingok
   notifempty
   create 640 root adm
}
I have also restart my system, but my log don't route.



Have you tried it with the -f option, i.e,

logrotate -f /var/log/backup

from the command line?  If that works, it may be that your computer 
was simply not switched on at the time logrotate should have been 
doing its job.


  

I David
I have try with "logrotate -f /var/log/backup I have these errors:

error: razor-agent.log:1 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
error: razor-agent.log:1 unexpected text
error: razor-agent.log:2 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
error: razor-agent.log:2 unexpected text
error: razor-agent.log:3 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
error: razor-agent.log:3 unexpected text
error: razor-agent.log:4 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
error: razor-agent.log:4 unexpected text
error: razor-agent.log:5 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
error: razor-agent.log:5 unexpected text
...
error: razor-agent.log:174 unknown option 'ott' -- ignoring line
error: razor-agent.log:174 unexpected text

This is the extract of my backup.log

ott 15 17:17:30 [Beta Backup System] Starting backup ...
ott 15 17:17:30 [Beta Backup System] logfile 
/var/backups/2005.10.15-17.17-beta-backup.log created

ott 15 17:17:38 [Beta Backup System] Backup finished.

Help :-(
Thanks

Marco

Could you help me???

Thanks
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Re: OpenOffice GTK Gnome

2006-01-10 Thread Linas Zvirblis

Brian Clark wrote:


Yes, although it will work, surely that isn't the best solution.


It is a common thing to do, but...


Unless I've done something else wrong, I'm starting to think it's a bug.


...I have just read the documentation and tested this method. It does 
indeed not work. I seems that "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin" 
does not even try to read either "/etc/openoffice/openoffice.org", or 
"/etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf", so no wonder it does not work.


It is possible that I overlooked something while debugging OpenOffice, 
but I am pretty sure this _is_ a bug. Feel free to report it, otherwise 
I will do it.



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Re: Live Video via USB 2.0 from Sony DCR-TRV33 Camcorder

2006-01-10 Thread Jay Zach
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David R. Litwin wrote:
> I should like to be able to see the live video from my Sony DCR-TRV33
> Camcorder on my Sid 2.6.14-686-smp KDE Pentium 4 Hyper-Threading Toshiba
> laptop machine (I hope that tells you what I'm running) using USB

Off-Topic, but why would you be running an smp kernel on a laptop?


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Local --> apt

2006-01-10 Thread David Baron
Is there any way to moving a /usr/local installation into apt, meeting 
dependencies, etc. Most information is in the configure program with the 
application being compiled.


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Re: nforce2 and temperature monitoring

2006-01-10 Thread Philippe Grenard
Le Mardi 10 Janvier 2006 11:04, Andras Lorincz a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I have an Asus A7N8X-XE mobo. Things work well: networking, audio, IDE
> drivers are working with 2.6.14.4 kernel, the only thing is that I
> cannot monitor the CPU and case temperature; is there some module that
> I didn't compile, if yes then which is that?

yes there are... 

you'll first need to install lm-sensors package

In the configuration in the kernel, you'll need
Device Drivers / I2C support / I2C device interface 
Device Drivers / I2C support / I2C Hardware Bus support / nforce2
Device Drivers / Hardware Monitoring support / Hardware Monitoring support 
Device Drivers / Hardware Monitoring support / Asus ASB100 Bach 
Device Drivers / Hardware Monitoring support / Winbond W83L785TS-S

(in fact, that's what I need with A7N8X-Deluxe)

you should enable maybe some other modules, but then run "sensors-detect" to 
see which one.



Re: Continuing problem with updates

2006-01-10 Thread Gabriel S Farrell
See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/01/msg00291.html .

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:21:50AM -0800, Arthur Barlow wrote:
> For the past few days I keep getting a "public key" warning when I try
> to update packages from two different mirrors.  The warning says
> "NO_PUBLIC 010908312D230C5F"  It seems as if the packages are missing a
> checksum key or some other problem.  Could you please check thanks.
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Re: Back to original topic [Was: [Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]]

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Martinell

On Tue, January 10, 2006 11:08 am, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 14:43:18 +0100, David Jardine wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
>> > the "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't want them to
>> > stop) so what can we do?
>> >
>>
>> Installing Linux on ones computer requires a conscious decision;
>> choosing Debian as the distribution to install must presuppose some
>> awareness of the issues involved.  So how did these people come to
>> be installing Debian in the first place without knowing what to
>> expect?
>
> When I first installed RedHat 4.1 on my 486 box, I had no idea what I
> was getting myself into.  But I'm glad I did it anyway.
>
> --
> richard
>
>

I second that.  I first installed Mandrake in 97 on an IBM Thinkpad.  I had no
idea what I was doing either.  I had read about how Linux was a great
alternative to windows.  Other than that I really had no real *nix experience.
 It would be great, especially as Debian modernizes, if it would more
seemlessly install the basic workstation - kind of like Red Hat does these
days without having to enter video and monitor specifics that the casual home
user or even some admins do not know.  That would at least get the user into a
familiar environment quickly.  They could then learn from there.  That would
lower some barriers and hopefully reduce the "I have a black screen with a
cursor, now what do I do?" type of questions.


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Re: cups - samba - frustration! - LIKE SOLVED

2006-01-10 Thread Clive Menzies

Angela Gavazzi wrote:

Hi Clive,

the last 2 hours I set up a new (about the 10th) pure! sarge (doing all 
testing in vmware),
installed all the necessary stuff, joined to domain, installed a printer test 
under cups and tested it. 
then I went on a w2k client, connect to the printers share, uploaded the 
windows driver to the samba machine. (This was not possible with an xp-pro 
client, don't know why)
tThen from another machine I could connect to the printer and print. 

so I think I will have to use this way instead of cupsaddsmb, which is a great 
tool and very confortable! I used it the last 2 years on my old samba:
you don't need to install every printer locally on windows before and need 
only! a ppd, from linuxprinting or from vendor.


As we will use pykota for accounting, because I cannot way longer for a 
running version of the cups driver,  I don't need the cupsdriver for 
accounting anymore, also if it has the advantage that the users can define 
billing per print job. 


Well I'm glad you got it working; I knew there must be a much cleverer 
way of setting up multiple clients but never had the time or real 
necessity to try.  It would make good material for a HOWTO :)


Regards

Clive


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Re: Mac OS X and Debian Linux LAN research.

2006-01-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 07:56:12AM -0500, Chinook wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
> >On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 02:18:21AM -0500, Chinook wrote:
> >  
> >>Paul E Condon wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:24:24PM -0500, Chinook wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>  
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>    
> 
> >On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:18:35PM -0500, Chinook wrote:
> >
> > 
> >  
> >>Mac OS X and Debian Linux LAN research.
> >>
> >>I am currently doing the Google shuffle and am posting this to try to 
> >>make sure I don't miss something important.
> >>
> >>
> >...
> 
> I did have a question for you Paul. Do you find you need Howl 
> (mdnsresponder/mdnsd) installed to make sure your Netatalk server is 
> discovered/recoginized by your Mac(s)?
> 
> Thanks,
> Lee C

I've never heard of Howl. If its on any of my computers I be quite 
surprised. I think that netatalk implements protocols that are Apple
specific and have nothing to do with DNS. Netatalk fools the Macs
into believing that they are talking Apple language to another Apple
product. 

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change from ide to scsi drive keep system

2006-01-10 Thread Rodney Richison
I've seen asked before and googling does not help. Here's how I just
switched over a server from ide to a compag dl380 with smart array 3200
scsi card.

Install base system on target machine. Install webmin
On running server, install webmin.
go to system/file-system backup
make a backup to the local machine in /backup
include these directorys
/etc
/var
/usr
/root
/home
/sbin

In "Backup to file or tape device" I put /backup/backup
In "extra command line perimeters" I put --exclude=/etc/fstab
--exclude=/etc/network

When done, fish or scp the file to the target machine to a directory
called /backup
example scp line
scp (source) destination
scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:\backup\backup /backup/

Now on the target machine open webmin go to system/filesystem backup -
choose restore
In "file or tape device" put /backup/backup
restore file permissions = yes

Then restore and reboot the machine...
**
Now then, folks may tell you, you don't need things like sbin or maybe
/var/spool.  Courier imap complained about sbin and postfix complained
about spool.. 

There has to be better ways of doing this, but this is what FINALLY
worked for me.

Suggestions are welcome!


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Re: cups - samba - frustration! - LIKE SOLVED

2006-01-10 Thread Angela Gavazzi
Hi Clive,

the last 2 hours I set up a new (about the 10th) pure! sarge (doing all 
testing in vmware),
installed all the necessary stuff, joined to domain, installed a printer test 
under cups and tested it. 
then I went on a w2k client, connect to the printers share, uploaded the 
windows driver to the samba machine. (This was not possible with an xp-pro 
client, don't know why)
tThen from another machine I could connect to the printer and print. 

so I think I will have to use this way instead of cupsaddsmb, which is a great 
tool and very confortable! I used it the last 2 years on my old samba:
you don't need to install every printer locally on windows before and need 
only! a ppd, from linuxprinting or from vendor.

As we will use pykota for accounting, because I cannot way longer for a 
running version of the cups driver,  I don't need the cupsdriver for 
accounting anymore, also if it has the advantage that the users can define 
billing per print job. 

thank you very! much for your effort and help!!!

angela

Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 18.23 schrieb Clive Menzies:
> Angela Gavazzi wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 12.10 schrieb Clive Menzies:
> >>http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.ht
> >>ml
> >
> > I will have a look at it.
> >
> >>>When I try to prepare the printerdrivers for the windows clients with
> >>>cupsaddsmb "nothing" happens: no error message, "Printer added
> >>>successfully" but not drivers copied to print$ share, no updates from
> >>>ntprinters.tdb, nothing.
> >>
> >>At the risk of asking a dumb question, have you set up the windows
> >>driver sharing within smb.conf?
> >
> > sure [print$] [printers] and necessary permissions. On the post from 2 1.
> > 06 16.17 I attached all the configs if you like to see them
>
> I haven't got a copy of your original post but there is printer share
> section and an additional share for the drivers.  I don't use the
> downloadable drivers and have this commented out:
>
> [printers]
> comment = All Printers
> browseable = yes
> printable = yes
> public = yes
> create mode = 0700
> guest ok = yes
> guest only = yes
> use client driver = yes
> path = /tmp
>
>
> # Windows clients look for this share name as a source of downloadable
> # printer drivers
> #  [print$]
> # comment = Printer Drivers
> # path = /var/lib/samba/printers
> # browseable = yes
> # read only = yes
> # guest ok = no
>
> >>Also can you print from windows printer setting it up with a driver
> >>sourced from somewhere other than the server?
> >
> > do you meen from windows client to the printer connected to cups with a
> > locally installed driver? Or do you meen if I loaded the windows driver
> > to the server via windows printer wizard?
>
> I just reread what I wrote and it doesn't make much sense to me either
>
> :)  What I meant to say was:
>
> Also can you print from a windows 'PC' setting it up with a driver
> sourced from somewhere other than the server?
>
> What I do is install cups on the server with the requisite driver for
> the printer using the cups web interface (using lynx, I don't have a gui
> installed). Test it will print a test page from the web interface.
>
> Set to use the client (in your case windows) driver within the smb.conf
> (see above).
>
> Then set up each individual printer from windows and make sure it will
> print via the server. Typically, I source an appropriate driver for the
> operating system and particular printer.  On Windows it's a little
> confusing because you have to select local rather than network printer
> and then configure a new port for the windows/samba share.
> Alternatively, if you explore and then right click on the printer you
> can install from there.
>
> Apologies, if this is 'teaching your grandmother to suck eggs'
>
> I was asking whether you've tried this before attempting to automate any
> driver installation.
>
> Regards
>
> Clive


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Re: Recommendation for newsreader

2006-01-10 Thread Will L (sent by Nabble.com)


Richard Lyons wrote:
> 
> Uwe Heinz Rudi Dippel wrote: 
> > ...
> > On the other hand, I don't want to re-ask old questions, and prefer the
> > archive of gmane.org, 
> > ...
> 
> Try search the Debian archive on Nabble: http://www.nabble.com/Debian-User-f32.html

That is a good resource.  Pity it's not subthreaded, so to speak. But
very useful anyway.


Richard,

Do you mean a threaded view of the messages? The messages in Nabble archive defaults to a dump view, but there is a "View Threaded" link under each post, click that you will see the threaded view.

Will L
Nabble.com

View this message in context: Re: Recommendation for newsreader
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Re: Back to original topic [Was: [Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]]

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:35:22 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> 1. Rewriting the welcome message coupled with some scripts to quickly install 
> a GUI (for the ones who missed the option) or get rid of the newbie welcome

> 3. Have the 'Desktop' task selected by default (and maybe add some warnings 
> to unselecting it). A reboot or "start gdm" (at least as a default option 
> which can be changed) at that point might also be a good idea as base-config 
> exits to a shell.


THe initial startup of a gui, regardless of how its gotten too, should in my 
opinion bail back to command line and some kind of configuration helper if 
there is not a user-response within the gui within a pre-set amount of time. 
This way if the user or installer mis-configures X, they can regain control of 
the machine and try again. My reasoning is that if we make it easier to get 
that gui boot first time (as the above items strive to do), then there are more 
likely going to be problems with that gui boot.

A


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Continuing problem with updates

2006-01-10 Thread Arthur Barlow
For the past few days I keep getting a "public key" warning when I try
to update packages from two different mirrors.  The warning says
"NO_PUBLIC 010908312D230C5F"  It seems as if the packages are missing a
checksum key or some other problem.  Could you please check thanks.
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Problem with xserver-xorg_6.9.0.dfsg.1-1_i386.deb with ATI X700

2006-01-10 Thread Halestino Pimentel


Hi all,
After updating the packages and upgrading my system, xserver-xorg
upgraded to version 6.9. After that I couldn't start X anymore. I know
that downgrading to 
xserver-xorg_6.8.2.dfsg.1-11_i386.deb solves the problem, but since
packages.debian is down for a few days, I can't get the
xserver-xorg_6.8.2.dfsg.1-11_i386.deb package to have X working again.
So, I have two questions:

1) Is there another way to get the package/solve the problem using
the ATI driver?
2) What can I do to prevent similar problems in the future (breaking the
normal system behaviour after upgrades)?
Thanks in advance,
Halestino 




Re: cups - samba - frustration!

2006-01-10 Thread Clive Menzies

Angela Gavazzi wrote:

Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 12.10 schrieb Clive Menzies:



http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html


I will have a look at it.


When I try to prepare the printerdrivers for the windows clients with
cupsaddsmb "nothing" happens: no error message, "Printer added
successfully" but not drivers copied to print$ share, no updates from
ntprinters.tdb, nothing.


At the risk of asking a dumb question, have you set up the windows
driver sharing within smb.conf?


sure [print$] [printers] and necessary permissions. On the post from 2 1. 06 
16.17 I attached all the configs if you like to see them
I haven't got a copy of your original post but there is printer share 
section and an additional share for the drivers.  I don't use the 
downloadable drivers and have this commented out:


[printers]
   comment = All Printers
   browseable = yes
   printable = yes
   public = yes
   create mode = 0700
   guest ok = yes
   guest only = yes
   use client driver = yes
   path = /tmp


# Windows clients look for this share name as a source of downloadable
# printer drivers
#  [print$]
# comment = Printer Drivers
# path = /var/lib/samba/printers
# browseable = yes
# read only = yes
# guest ok = no



Also can you print from windows printer setting it up with a driver
sourced from somewhere other than the server?


do you meen from windows client to the printer connected to cups with a 
locally installed driver? Or do you meen if I loaded the windows driver to 
the server via windows printer wizard?


I just reread what I wrote and it doesn't make much sense to me either 
:)  What I meant to say was:

Also can you print from a windows 'PC' setting it up with a driver
sourced from somewhere other than the server?

What I do is install cups on the server with the requisite driver for 
the printer using the cups web interface (using lynx, I don't have a gui 
installed). Test it will print a test page from the web interface.


Set to use the client (in your case windows) driver within the smb.conf 
(see above).


Then set up each individual printer from windows and make sure it will 
print via the server. Typically, I source an appropriate driver for the 
operating system and particular printer.  On Windows it's a little 
confusing because you have to select local rather than network printer 
and then configure a new port for the windows/samba share. 
Alternatively, if you explore and then right click on the printer you 
can install from there.


Apologies, if this is 'teaching your grandmother to suck eggs'

I was asking whether you've tried this before attempting to automate any 
driver installation.


Regards

Clive



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Re: Back to original topic [Was: [Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]]

2006-01-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 14:43:18 +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > 
> > Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread: 
> > the "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't want them to 
> > stop) so what can we do? 
> > 
> 
> Installing Linux on ones computer requires a conscious decision; 
> choosing Debian as the distribution to install must presuppose some 
> awareness of the issues involved.  So how did these people come to 
> be installing Debian in the first place without knowing what to 
> expect?  

When I first installed RedHat 4.1 on my 486 box, I had no idea what I
was getting myself into.  But I'm glad I did it anyway.

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Problem with the latest ffmpeg from nerim.net

2006-01-10 Thread T
Hi, Christian:

I've been using the nerim.net repository ever since I started to use
Debian long time ago, and had never had any problem before.  

I was happy to find out that the transcode and ffmpeg all updated to the
latest version recently, however, I found that the latest ffmpeg package
is unusable -- it causes problem in many aspects. 

The ffmpeg that I'm talking about is:

ffmpeg version CVS, build 3277056, Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Fabrice Bellard
  configuration:  --prefix=/usr --libdir=${prefix}/lib --enable-shared 
--enable-mp3lame --enable-gpl --enable-faad --mandir=${prefix}/share/man 
--enable-vorbis --enable-pthreads --enable-faac --enable-xvid --enable-dts 
--enable-amr_nb --enable-amr_wb --enable-pp --enable-shared-pp --enable-libogg 
--enable-a52 --enable-a52bin --enable-x264 --enable-theora 
  built on Dec 30 2005 15:07:33, gcc: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)

First of all, the -target dvd can't be used any more. I have to specify
-target pal-dvd or -target ntsc-dvd explicitly. Yeah this is not a big
deal, but IIRC, it worked before.  

Secondly, -target xxx-dvd can't produced the correct DVD format any
more. This is the biggest problem of all:

$ ffmpeg -i "test-src.avi" -y -target pal-dvd -r 25.000 "test-src.mpg"

$ tcprobe -i test-src.mpg
[tcprobe] MPEG program stream (PS)
[tcprobe] summary for test-src.mpg, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected
import frame size: -g 720x576 [720x576] 
 aspect ratio: 2.21:1 (*)
   frame rate: -f 25.000 [25.000] frc=3 
   PTS=0.5000, frame_time=40 ms, bitrate=9000 kbps
  audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 48000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x2000 [0x2000] 
   PTS=0.5000, bitrate=448 kbps
   -D 0 --av_fine_ms 0 (frames & ms) [0] [0]

The result, although sized at 720x576, is even wider than my 1024 screen
when played on my PC, with no top/bottom black bars. The generated mpeg file
cause problem with dvdauthor:

$ dvdauthor -o dvdauth -t test-src.mpg
WARN: unknown mpeg2 aspect ratio 4
[...]
WARN: unknown mpeg2 aspect ratio 4

The dvdauthor result has distorted aspect.

Thirdly, it does not work with transcode properly. The following is the
correspondents between Erik Slagter and me:

,-
| > >> [transcode] V: decoding fps,frc | 23.976,1 [transcode] V: encoding
| > >> fps,frc | 23.976,1 [mpeg2video @ 0xb5d2c110]removing common factors
| > >> from framerate [mpeg2video @ 0xb5d2c110]MPEG1/2 does not support
| > >> 2997/125 fps [export_ffmpeg.so] could not open FFMPEG codec
| > > 
| > >> what's wrong?
| > > 
| > > Looks like a bug in transcode. [...]
| > > 
| > > What happens if you specify import and/or export frame rates
| > > explicitly on the command line?
| > 
| > hmm, I don't know how to do it correctly. I've tried all the following,
| > all of them yield the same error:
| > 
| > transcode -i test-src.avi -f 1 -y ffmpeg,ffmpeg --export_prof dvd -o
| > test-out-ffmpeg transcode -i test-src.avi -f 23.976,1 -y ffmpeg,ffmpeg
| > --export_prof dvd -o test-out-ffmpeg transcode -i test-src.avi -f
| > 24000/1001.0,1 -y ffmpeg,ffmpeg --export_prof dvd -o test-out-ffmpeg
| > transcode -i test-src.avi -f 24000/1001,1 -y ffmpeg,ffmpeg --export_prof
| > dvd -o test-out-ffmpeg transcode -i test-src.avi -f 24000/1001,1 -y
| > ffmpeg,ffmpeg --export_prof dvd --export_fps 24000/1001,1 -o
| > test-out-ffmpeg
| 
| In that case I am afraid someone will have to dig into the
| transcode/ffmpeg source code. 
`-

Forth, the ffplay can't work with .vob files, it used to work before:

$ ffplay VTS_01_1.VOB
Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)

Lastly, I also get "Segmentation Fault" when I try to get clip images from
mpeg file:

$ ffmpeg  -ss 0:0:23 -t 1 -i test-out.mpg out.png
ffmpeg version CVS, build 3277056, Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Fabrice Bellard
  configuration:  --prefix=/usr --libdir=${prefix}/lib --enable-shared 
--enable-mp3lame --enable-gpl --enable-faad --mandir=${prefix}/share/man 
--enable-vorbis --enable-pthreads --enable-faac --enable-xvid --enable-dts 
--enable-amr_nb --enable-amr_wb --enable-pp --enable-shared-pp --enable-libogg 
--enable-a52 --enable-a52bin --enable-x264 --enable-theora 
  built on Dec 30 2005 15:07:33, gcc: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
Segmentation fault

Could you use a newer one, or the cvs20050918-5 one that is current in
testing/unstable? 

thanks a lot

tong




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lm-sensors

2006-01-10 Thread Chris

Just upgraded an old P3 machine to a new Athlon 3500 on an Asus
motherboard (sarge).

sensors-detect advised to install the modules

i2c-isa
it87

Now - sensors gives the following (as does sensord):

it87-isa-0d00
Adapter: ISA adapter
VCore 1:   +1.44 V  (min =  +1.42 V, max =  +1.57 V)   ALARM
VCore 2:   +4.08 V  (min =  +2.40 V, max =  +2.61 V)   ALARM
+3.3V: +6.59 V  (min =  +3.14 V, max =  +3.46 V)   ALARM
+5V:   +5.13 V  (min =  +4.76 V, max =  +5.24 V)   
+12V: +11.90 V  (min = +11.39 V, max = +12.61 V)   
-12V:  +3.93 V  (min = -12.63 V, max = -11.41 V)   ALARM
-5V:   +4.03 V  (min =  -5.26 V, max =  -4.77 V)   ALARM
Stdby: +6.85 V  (min =  +4.76 V, max =  +5.24 V)   ALARM
VBat:  +3.20 V
fan1:0 RPM  (min =0 RPM, div = 2)  
fan2:0 RPM  (min =   41 RPM, div = 128)  
fan3:0 RPM  (min =  664 RPM, div = 8)  
M/B Temp:+38 C  (low  =   +15 C, high =   +40 C)   sensor = thermistor   
CPU Temp:+44 C  (low  =   +15 C, high =   +45 C)   sensor = thermistor   
Temp3:  +128 C  (low  =   +15 C, high =   +45 C)   sensor = disabled   


Now - everything is running correctly - so I've got a feeling that
there isn't +4v on the -12v , +4v on the -5v etc.

I followed a web howto on how to set it up - but I could really do
with some help debugging/finding out what's going on here. Any
hints/RTFM pointers on how to sort this out?

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Re: Possible Firefox Bug?

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Marsh
On 1/10/06, David R. Litwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparties/leaders/bio_otherleaders.html
> and another yester-eve when I was signing up for a new account. It was an
> https, so now we know that this refresh is a Firefox-in-general problem and
> not a Firefox-by-the-page problem.

I'm running 1.5 in sid (2.4.27, xorg, and fvwm) and I've never seen
this problem.  Have you tried browsing in safe mode?  My suspicion
would be that it's All-In-One Gestures and either a glitchy or
over-eager pointing device.  You could try disabling just that one
extension to see if it makes a difference.

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Re: Openoffice 2.0 user interface font

2006-01-10 Thread MrVanes
MrVanes wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Today I found OpenOffice 2.0 trickled down into testing, yay!
> 
> The first annoyance however smacked me in the face when I saw the default
> userinterface font. I allready found out how to change this using font
> replacement for 'Andale Sans UI', but I don't understand the following
> things:
> 
> 1. What does the 'use system font for user interface' setting refer to?
> 2. Where is this defined without the above checked? Esp: size!
> 3. To what is the scaling factor mentioned in the View dialog relative? I
> want an interface font that is smaller than what I get when I scale down
> to the minimum of 80%. Besides that I would feel more comfortable leaving
> this 100% and changing the responsible system setting.
> 
> X has a dpi of 100 (xdpyinfo).
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Martin
> 
> 

Update...
After browsing (ploughing) through the sourcecode to find a place where the
font size was set I noticed OO2 kde integration. Googling revealed
kde.openoffice.org. So I decided to install openoffice KDE integration.

Problem is I run self compiled QT/KDE and openoffice.org-kde depends on
debian's qt and kde libraries, something I don't want my system
contaminated with of course. So I searched for the literal package 
responsible for openoffice kde intergration which (at this moment) is
openoffice.org-kde_2.0.0-5_i386.deb and copied the files
(/usr/lib/openoffice/program/* and /usr/share/lintian/*) in their
respective places and whoops... KDE integration and small UI font was a
fact! :)

Hope this helps everybody looking for this solution a bit further.

Grtz.
Martin!


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Re: Possible Firefox Bug?

2006-01-10 Thread David R. Litwin

Does this just happen on any webpage? Can you also give some example URLs?
As I was writing the response to the previous E-Mail in this thread (I use GMail (online)), it did it. It blanked for a few seconds and went to the top of the page. I can't think of any others at the moment. I shall mark them down when next it happens and let you know.
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparties/leaders/bio_otherleaders.html and another yester-eve when I was signing up for a new account. It was an https, so now we know that this refresh is a Firefox-in-general problem and not a Firefox-by-the-page problem.
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nvidia drivers

2006-01-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is bug #346246:

...
> beside the error message beeing *crystal* clear, we don't support
> closed source binary drivers
>
> closing
>
I know it's crystal, it's all about compiling for rivafb support! And
don't tell me that i can make my custom kernel!
This rivafb support on Debian kernel start on 2.6.14 and still exist
on 2.6.15.
For my servers boxes it's great, but for my desktop boxes no.
Is there a way that server boxes and game boxes are both happy!?

Many thanks.
...


The bug is closed! There's nothing to do!
I don't think so.

Is Debian only for servers?



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Re: cups - samba - frustration!

2006-01-10 Thread Angela Gavazzi
Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 12.10 schrieb Clive Menzies:
> On (10/01/06 08:53), Angela Gavazzi wrote:
> > I think I'm doing some idiot error, but I can't find it - or it's a
> > library problem or something else.
>
> Not sure this will be much help but here goes ...
>
> > I have a sarge system, samba 3.0.20 from testing (also tried samba
> > version from sarge) and tried cups in all versions: 1.0.23.10/12/15
> > (sarge,testing,unstable).
> > Samba is member server in an NT4 domain (need to move the printserver to
> > migrate the domain), authentication through winbind, all works on samba.
> > Can make shares, put data into it, robocopy data from windows to it with
> > the correct acls.
> > I can install printers in cups, can print from Linux, all is ok.
>
> Samba 3.0.14a-3 and Cupsys 1.1.23-10 work fine on our sarge servers
> serving Windows (XP, 2000 and 98), Mac and Linux clients.  I don't
> believe you will gain much from using the etch versions unless there is
> specific functionality you're after that isn't available in sarge.
Sure but it's not better with the sarge version, I had this at first and tried 
the other later, as I couldn't get it running. 
>
> I haven't yet cracked centralised authentication and so the setups we
> have are simpler in many respects.  Nonetheless it is worth referring to
>
> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html
I will have a look at it.
>
> if you haven't already.
>
> > When I try to prepare the printerdrivers for the windows clients with
> > cupsaddsmb "nothing" happens: no error message, "Printer added
> > successfully" but not drivers copied to print$ share, no updates from
> > ntprinters.tdb, nothing.
> >
> > I just put a post here about 10 days ago, but nobody ansered, the same on
> > samba and cups list.
>
> At the risk of asking a dumb question, have you set up the windows
> driver sharing within smb.conf?
sure [print$] [printers] and necessary permissions. On the post from 2 1. 06 
16.17 I attached all the configs if you like to see them
>
> Also can you print from windows printer setting it up with a driver
> sourced from somewhere other than the server?
do you meen from windows client to the printer connected to cups with a 
locally installed driver? Or do you meen if I loaded the windows driver to 
the server via windows printer wizard?

>
> Regards
>
> Clive
thanks!

angela
>
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Re: OpenOffice GTK Gnome

2006-01-10 Thread Brian Clark
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 09:14:12PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:

> Brian Clark wrote:

> >After upgrading to OpenOffice.org 2.0 in testing, it doesn't seem to
> >pick up and use GTK widgets, themes, et cetera, unless I run it from a
> >shell (see below).

> >I have this:

> >~$ cat /etc/openoffice/openoffice.org 
> >export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=Gnome

> >(I've also tried `export OO_FORCE_DESKTOP=Gnome' in that file)

> >When I issue export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=Gnome in a shell, then launch
> >oowriter &, it picks up the GTK look correctly.

> >And I'm using Openbox as my window manager. In OO.org 1.1 it worked as
> >expected.

> Just put "export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome" in ".xsession" in your home 
> directory and restart X.

Hi there, Linas.

Yes, although it will work, surely that isn't the best solution.
Unless I've done something else wrong, I'm starting to think it's a bug.

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Re: .ape files

2006-01-10 Thread Dave Carrigan
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 10:29:19AM +0200, Meni Shapiro wrote:

> What player plays .ape files?
> Which pkg should i install?

It's a lossless codec called Monkey's Audio. There is no official package
in Debian that plays it as far as I know. You can find Debian packages
that handle it at http://www.rarewares.org/. I would recommend decoding
them and re-encoding them in something that is free.

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Re: window manager.

2006-01-10 Thread Javier-Elias Vasquez-Vivas
...
> Ok.
> But...why using hurd with mach kernel instead of linux?
> It's for your trial ok, but supposing hurd became stable, why use it
> instead of linux?
...

That's for anyone to find out:

http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd

At the end everything comes to a personal choice and taste.  I didn't
want to answer because I could start a discussion I don't want to
keep.  There's people around who are better acknowledged about kernels
stuff than I am, and who could give you better pros and cons about
hurd and the academic war between monolithic kernels and uKernels, but
at the end I just wanted to point out a few things I like as user
(notice that the hurd is a unix like system anyways, so from a user
perspective there shouldn't be much difference any ways):

1.-  It's based on uKernel, not monolitic kernel such as linux or
ms-win:  "The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach
microkernel to implement file systems, network protocols, file access
control, and other features..."

2.-  User space:  "It is possible to develop and test new Hurd kernel
components without rebooting the machine (not even accidentally).
Running your own kernel components doesn't interfere with other users,
and so no special system privileges are required. The mechanism for
kernel extensions is secure by design: it is impossible to impose your
changes upon other users unless they authorize them or you are the
system administrator"

3.-  It sounds to me that although might not perform faster than
monolithic kernel, it is lighter in the sense that only the required
servers are up at a time:  "The Hurd is a collection of servers that
run on the Mach microkernel to implement file systems, network
protocols, file access control, and other features"

4.-  The new uKernels hurd guys are thinking about are designed from
strong security basis (coyotos and secure L4), so although not
everything is perfect having something with design considerations for
security is attractive.

5.-  I like GNU standards and compromise with GPL:  "Anybody can use,
modify, and redistribute it under the terms of the GNU General Public
License (GPL)"

Again, I won't discuss about these few things or others that can be
discussed, I just pointed them out due to your question.  At the end I
have to recognize I'm a GNU and GPL compliant software fan, so that's
probably the main reason I would try and support (as an user since my
knowledge is pretty little) GNU software and specially hurd, :)

You can do a little research, and you can come to the conclusion you
don't need it.  Linux provides drivers and stuff that the hard doesn't
at this moment, and you for sure will fill more comfortable with linux
since it's probably the unix system we're used to.  That's OK and
that's reality, I'm just stubborn, :)

If you're interested on trying, the main debian web page includes a
port link, and there you can find another one for non linux ports,
there you would find how to install debian-hurd and how to start
trying.  There are discussions lists also, so anything else should be
discussed in those lists I believe instead of this one, to avoid
anyone complaining about a hurd discussion on a debian-user list, :)

Have fun,


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Re: mysql & logrotate not behaving post Etch dist-upgrade

2006-01-10 Thread Jay Zach
s. keeling wrote:
> I received this this morning:
> 
>From: Anacron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Anacron job 'cron.daily' on infidel
>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:37:47 -0600
>X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.00, version=0.96.2
> 
>/etc/cron.daily/mysql-server:
>ERROR at line 1: Target log not found in binlog index
>run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server exited with return code 1
> 

>   /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server:
>   ERROR at line 1: Target log not found in binlog index
> 
> 



Hope this still helps since, it's been awhile since you posted ;)

I've had this same error over the last few days.  I believe that there are
binary transaction logs in the /var/log/mysql directory not recognized by mysql.
 Here's how I've fixed it (I'm not SQL guru either, so this probably isn't "by
the book"):
1) I backed up my databases
2) I made a directory called /var/log/mysql/logbackup
3) I stopped mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql stop)
4) I moved all binary logs to the logbackup directory
HOSTNAME:/var/log/mysql# mv *bin* logbackup/
5) I restarted mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql start)
6) I manually ran the cron job to make sure it did not error

This seems to have done it.  After a day or two, when I'm sure, I'll delete the
logbackup dir I made

Good Luck  :)

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problem with snapshot.debian.net

2006-01-10 Thread Gerardo Ballabio

Hi all,
I need to retrieve an older version of a package from unstable, which  
is not in sarge (plib1.8.4-dev_1.8.4-1_i386.deb).


I tried to get it from snapshot.debian.net, but while it says  
packages since 2005/03/13 are available, I couldn't access packages  
earlier than 2005/11/01, and couldn't grab versions earlier than  
1.8.4-2 (current is 1.8.4-3).


I tried the following methods:

- use the search form. Only source packages seem to be available by  
this method, but what's worse, if I try and follow the link to  
version 1.8.4-1, I get a "403 Forbidden" error.


- insert "deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive//MM/DD/debian  
unstable main contrib non-free" in my sources list, as suggested.  
I've tried several values for "/MM/DD", but with any one earlier  
than "2005/11/01", I get a "403 Forbidden" error on "apt-get update".


- access http://snapshot.debian.net/archive//MM/DD/debian  
directly with the browser. The 2005 directory contains 10, 11 and 12,  
but while 11 and 12 seem ok, trying to access 10/01 to 10/26 results  
in a "404 Not Found" error, while 10/27 to 10/31 results in "403  
Forbidden".


In fact, the latter two also yield different results from each other,  
and I don't know why:
- while the browser gets "404 Not Found" for 10/01 to 10/26 and "403  
Forbidden" for 10/27 to 10/31, "apt-get update" always says "403  
Forbidden".
- while the 11/01 to 11/08 directories contain version 1.8.4-2 and  
later ones contain version 1.8.4-3, "apt-cache search" always says  
1.8.4-3.


Am I doing anything wrong? Is snapshot.debian.net not working  
correctly (will it be repaired)? Is there any other place where I  
could retrieve the package? Anybody has it on his/her system and can  
send it to me?


For those who want to know, here's why I need that specific version:
I've tried to upgrade from torcs 1.2.3 (that I hand-installed some  
time ago, as there's no version in sarge) to 1.2.4, unfortunately the  
C++ migration happened in between, so the new version depends on  
plib1.8.4c2 instead of plib1.8.4 (which I downloaded with torcs), and  
installing that package would bring a lot of unstable packages with  
it, that I don't want. Thus I'm trying to rebuild the source package  
against sarge, which I want to do anyway since I'd like to do some  
hacking on it. Unfortunately that requires plib1.8.4-dev, which I did  
*not* download, and versions from 1.8.4-2 on depend on plib1.8.4c2 as  
well, so I'm stuck.


Thanks everybody
 Gerardo

P.S. please Cc: me as I'm not subscribed.


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Re: logrotate + mysql = "Help!"

2006-01-10 Thread Jay Zach
Jay Zach wrote:
> Eric d'Alibut wrote:
> 
>>I have a Debian stable install that runs smoothly; uptime is seventy
>>three days. Just lately I am getting these system emails:
>>
>>/etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
>>error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mysql.log
>>/var/log/mysql/mysql.log /var/log/mysql.err /var/log/mysql/mysql.err
>>/var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log
>>run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1
>>
>>I am clueless as to how to debug this error. I am, in fact, a mysql
>>moron. Any input would be appreciated!
>>
>>
>>--
>>No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am
>>not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely
>>because I have a pet halibut?
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Eric,
> 
> I've had this same error over the last few days.  I believe that there are
> binary transaction logs in the /var/log/mysql directory not recognized by 
> mysql.
>  Here's how I've fixed it (I'm not SQL guru either, so this probably isn't "by
> the book"):
> 1) I backed up my databases
> 2) I made a directory called /var/log/mysql/logbackup
> 3) I stopped mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql stop)
> 4) I moved all binary logs to the logbackup directory
>   HOSTNAME:/var/log/mysql# mv *bin* logbackup/
> 5) I restarted mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql start)
> 6) I manually ran the cron job to make sure it did not error
> 
> This seems to have done it.  After a day or two, when I'm sure, I'll delete 
> the
> logbackup dir I made
> 
> Good Luck :)
> 
um... n/m I had a different error, I meant to reply to an older
post by someone else who had the same error...
Sorry for the mixup and getting your hopes up  Still, who knows, maybe it'll
work ;)

Here is the error I was receiving:

/etc/cron.daily/mysql-server:
ERROR at line 1: Target log not found in binlog index
run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server exited with return code 1

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Re: logrotate + mysql = "Help!"

2006-01-10 Thread Jay Zach
Eric d'Alibut wrote:
> I have a Debian stable install that runs smoothly; uptime is seventy
> three days. Just lately I am getting these system emails:
> 
> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
> error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mysql.log
> /var/log/mysql/mysql.log /var/log/mysql.err /var/log/mysql/mysql.err
> /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log
> run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1
> 
> I am clueless as to how to debug this error. I am, in fact, a mysql
> moron. Any input would be appreciated!
> 
> 
> --
> No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am
> not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely
> because I have a pet halibut?
> 
> 


Eric,

I've had this same error over the last few days.  I believe that there are
binary transaction logs in the /var/log/mysql directory not recognized by mysql.
 Here's how I've fixed it (I'm not SQL guru either, so this probably isn't "by
the book"):
1) I backed up my databases
2) I made a directory called /var/log/mysql/logbackup
3) I stopped mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql stop)
4) I moved all binary logs to the logbackup directory
HOSTNAME:/var/log/mysql# mv *bin* logbackup/
5) I restarted mysql (/etc/init.d/mysql start)
6) I manually ran the cron job to make sure it did not error

This seems to have done it.  After a day or two, when I'm sure, I'll delete the
logbackup dir I made

Good Luck :)

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Re: Fwd: Live Video via USB 2.0 from Sony DCR-TRV33 Camcorder

2006-01-10 Thread Kenward Vaughan
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 03:42:36AM -0500, David R. Litwin wrote:
> 
>  Didn't one come with the camcorder?
> 
> Sony, willingly give up the chance to sell some thing to some one and make a
> pretty buck? I'm surprised that they supplied a USB wire.
> 

Quite true from what I've seen, but their stuff seems to work.

We have a TRV-something-or-another which plays well with Kino.  Not
much help here, I guess, but again--at least you have a chance with the
"right stuff"...


>  >  But, I would like to have the USB working in the interim.
> 
>  Good luck.  Tell us if you get it working...
> 
> I'll need some good skill and a bit of luck. But, I'll see what I can do

Ciao,


Kenward
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Re: Can't detect CD-ROM in IBM T43

2006-01-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, ?á?ek Kry?tof wrote:
> I still keep having similar problem even with the latest debian installer
> (kernel 2.6.12). Having SATA disk and IDE CDROM I am unable to install
> Debian. Installer reports that CDROM was not found. I am able to make it
> installed using the trick with manual loading the ide-generic ... But
> after reboot the system is not able to mount the CDROM anymore.

I highly suggest you browse http://thinkwiki.org and join the thinkpad
mailing lists, you will be able to make a _lot_ more of your T43 with the
ammount of knowledge on these resources.

Installing Debian Sarge in a T43:
http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian/Sarge_on_a_ThinkPad_T43p

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Please don't laugh...

2006-01-10 Thread cmetzler

Graham Smith wrote:
> 
> Ok, you can maybe have a bit of a chuckle.

I won't laugh at your expense.  But I will suggest that in the future,
you might want to be more courteous to the people from whom you're
asking for help by using an informative subject line for your message.

This mailing list gets hundreds of posts a day.  Probably no one reads
all of them -- it'd take too much of the day -- so folks read some and
skip others, typically filtering on the subject line.  Without an
informative subject line, other users have to open and start to read
your message before they can even find out whether they know anything
about the subject and thus would be able to help.  That's annoying
when one has come home for the day and there's 250 list emails to go
through.  In fact, because of this, plenty of gurus who might have helped
you will simply skip your message -- so it's also in *your* interest to
use an informative subject line, as well.

Using an informative subject line makes archives of the mailing list
more useful as well.  Months from now, when someone's looking at
thread titles in the archive, how can they know whether "Please don't
laugh..." is going to contain information useful to them?

When you get the time, take a look at this document about asking
technical questions in mailing lists/web fora/etc., which people
have been recommending here for years:

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

It has some good tips, including about subject lines.  You may not
choose to follow the recommended format in detail; but comments about
what you're trying to accomplish with your subject line are spot on.

Cheers,

-c





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RE: Can't detect CD-ROM in IBM T43

2006-01-10 Thread Žáček Kryštof
I still keep having similar problem even with the latest debian installer 
(kernel 2.6.12). Having SATA disk and IDE CDROM I am unable to install Debian. 
Installer reports that CDROM was not found. I am able to make it installed 
using the trick with manual loading the ide-generic ... But after reboot the 
system is not able to mount the CDROM anymore.

If I play with initrd using yaird (should rather be named weird :-), then I end 
up with unbootable system.

This happens when installing with kernel 2.6. With kernel 2.4 (install 2.4) 
everything works fine.

Shame on Debian installer (or 2.6 kernel ?)!

-Original Message-
From: Victor Munoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:32 AM
To: debian-user
Subject: Can't detect CD-ROM in IBM T43

Hello. I've seen this question posted in many forums, but every idea I've
tried after reading the solutions simply doesn't work for me. I'm running
Sid in an IBM T43, but cdrom is not detected at all. According to 
http://kerneltrap.org/node/3971, a possible solution is to make a new initrd
image, where ide modules are loaded before the ata_piix module. That didn't
work for me. I tried exactly what the posting said: Added

ide-generic
ata_piix
sd_mod

to /etc/mkinitrd/modules, then mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img.2.6.15-1.686,
then reboot. Nothing new. Not really knowing what to do, 
I tried other combinations:

1)
ide-generic
cdrom
ata_piix
sd_mod

2)
ide_generic
ata_piix
sd_mod

3)
ide-generic
ide-cd
ata_piix

4)
ide-generic
ide-core
ide-cd
ata_piix

Anyway, in the last attempt I removed all modules in these files, made a new
initrd image... and the system would not boot! The only solution was to
uninstall/reinstall image 2.6.15-1

I have also tried modifying /etc/modules, inserting ata_piix after the ide
modules already there:

ide-cd
ide-disk
ide-generic
ata_piix 
psmouse
sd_mod

Didn't work. It seems as if /etc/modules is completely ignored. Knoppix
4.0.2, for instance, does recognize the CD, and the ide modules are loaded
before ata_piix, but I haven't found out how to force that in my case. 

Any help? Thanks,

Victor



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problem making kernel - infinite loop

2006-01-10 Thread Eckhart Guthöhrlein
Hi all,

I have problems making a 2.6.15 kernel on a debian unstable machine,
more precisely
Linux seneca 2.6.12-1-686 #1 Tue Sep 27 12:52:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux

The problem is that after saying make, everything that happens is:

seneca:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15# make
  CHK include/linux/version.h
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
Linux_2.6.12-1-686
...

and so on, infinitely.

Searching the web and the archives did not provide anything useful,
probably due to my inability of finding unique keywords to describe the
problem.

Has anybody seen something like this before? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Eckhart


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Re: Back to original topic [Was: [Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]]

2006-01-10 Thread David Jardine
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> [...]
> 
> Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread: 
> the "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't want them to 
> stop) so what can we do? 
> 

Installing Linux on ones computer requires a conscious decision; 
choosing Debian as the distribution to install must presuppose some 
awareness of the issues involved.  So how did these people come to 
be installing Debian in the first place without knowing what to 
expect?  

Sorry, that doesn't get us anywhere nearer to a solution, does it? 

Cheers,
David

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Re: Setting up a netboot server

2006-01-10 Thread Pete Clarke
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:10:35PM -, Pete Clarke wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I currently have a netboot server (tftp) for setting up Solaris
>> machines,
>> it is an Ultra 10 running Solaris 9.
>> I have a local mirror of the Debian archive, and currently use a netboot
>> CD image to boot x86 and Sparc workstations before installation over the
>> network.
>>
>> Solaris netboot/installation works fine - now, I want to expand this to
>> serve Debian installation images too - I can sort the tftp side of
>> things
>> (/etc/ethers /etc/hosts and the /tftpboot links) but am curious as to
>> what
>> extra software I need to install on the Solaris machine.
>>
>> Has anyone had any experience in this? I don't want to have to setup a
>> further tftp server specifically for the Debian installation if I can
>> possibly avoid it!
>> Basically I want to bypass the netboot CD image and get each new client
>> to
>> setup purely via the network.
>> the mirror is currently on a different machine to the tftp server.
>
> I would advice you to take a look at
> http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ .
> It might be just what you want, just for debian.
>

Thats for the link - although I am not bothered by having to actually
install the OS - I just need some pointers as to what I need to include on
the tftp server to allow workstations to do a network boot for
installation.

Cheers


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Problem with kdm 3.5 not starting

2006-01-10 Thread David Goodenough
I have a sacrificial machine which I keep fully up to date with  unstable.

This morning KDE 3.5 arrived, so I installed it.  It seems to work just fine 
if I start it with startx.

BUT kdm will not start, and in the file /var/log/kdm.log there is an 
error saying the on the X command, the -br option is not recognised.

I have tried purging kdm and reinstalling to see if any of its config files
needed updating, but that that did not cure the problem.

The only "odd" thing about this machine is that it has a very old S3
graphics chip, which is not supported by x.org.  So I use the old S3
XFree86 xserver.  

I have so far been unable to find where X is being invoked with the
-br option, any pointers would be gratefully accepted.

Thanks

David


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Re: Mac OS X and Debian Linux LAN research.

2006-01-10 Thread Chinook

Paul E Condon wrote:

On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 02:18:21AM -0500, Chinook wrote:
  

Paul E Condon wrote:


On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:24:24PM -0500, Chinook wrote:
 
  

Paul E Condon wrote:
   


On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:18:35PM -0500, Chinook wrote:

 
  

Mac OS X and Debian Linux LAN research.

I am currently doing the Google shuffle and am posting this to try to 
make sure I don't miss something important.




...
  

You could very well be correct that Appletalk only does print sharing,
but netatalk does both print and file sharing.  Mac clients can write
files on the Linux hard disk that can be read by any other Mac on the
LAN and by a user sitting at the Linux computer. A user sitting at the
Linux box can write files into the directories that are shared with
the Macs and those files are visible to the Mac users. This is enough
bi-directionality for my needs, but maybe not enough for your needs. I
just don't know about writing data onto the Mac hard disk from a
program running on the Linux box. I've never tried it.

 
  

Hi Paul (and thanks for hanging in there despite an old man's stubbornness)

In support of what you are saying (and after 4 hours googling) I found this:
http://viebrock.ca/article/22/file-sharing-from-linux-to-os-x-a-quick-guide

Like you, I'm unsure about how (specifically) g4l might be able to 
"upload" to my Mac.  I'll keep digging and get back to this.





I think you will find that it is OK, when it comes time to upload to
the Mac, instead to walk over to tha Mac and download from the Linux
box. That's what I do. To understand how to sit at the Linux box and
send stuff over to the Mac would involve gaining a far better
understanding of the Mac OS X than I think if deserves. IMHO OS X is
an obfuscation layer on top of a very reasonable POSIX compliant Unix.
Over time it will thrash about as developers attempt to satisfy
marketing department's need for 'innovation'. If you tie your work to
it, you will find your work is in need of revision from time to time
just to keep it current with the current eye-candy fad.

I just turned 73 in December. I, also, am stubborn.


  
Well basically I could implement VPN, NFS or Netatalk (aka 
AppleTalk/AppleShare), and as I mentioned before I'm not considering SMB.


Obviously VPN for a local hardwired network borders on the ridiculous as 
I have no need for private remote access and even NFS is overkill for my 
needs. So I'm pretty much left with Netatalk on the Linux box for file 
and Mac printer sharing, which (on the surface) seems simple enough. For 
the ftp part of my backup strategy though, I believe my Mac will need to 
be the ftp server and I'll use vsftp on the Linux box. If anyone is 
interested, I'll document the setup steps for the Linux+Mac (no doze) 
network (sans mistakes) and either post them here or put them up on my 
dotMac. There is very little out there for SOHO no-doze mixed networking.


Speaking of backup, it's a good thing I have at least one avenue in 
place. I already screwed up my Linux connection with my DHCP router and 
had to restore some files to get my Gnome desktop fully up. The host 
name assigned to my Linux box wasn't showing up in the router 
configuration and I made things worse - doesn't bode well for this 
little project :-)))


I did have a question for you Paul. Do you find you need Howl 
(mdnsresponder/mdnsd) installed to make sure your Netatalk server is 
discovered/recoginized by your Mac(s)?


Thanks,
Lee C
"The one important thing I've learned over the years is the difference 
between taking one's work seriously and taking one's self seriously. The 
first is imperative, and the second is disastrous." —Margaret Fontey




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DRI and XV gone to the doghouse -- inspiron4000

2006-01-10 Thread Tim Connors
G'day all,

I have an Dull Inspiron 4000, which always used to have working DRI and XV 
under kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x.  The video card is a Rage 128:

> lspci -vvv
...
:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 
Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: Dell: Unknown device 00b0
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
SERR- 
Capabilities: [5c] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA 
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
...

Note the "unknown device".  I don't recall having seen that before, when 
things were working.

> lsmod
...
intel_agp  23996  1 
r128   48512  1 
drm67540  2 r128
agpgart35464  2 intel_agp,drm
...

Now, after "upgrading", glxinfo and glxgears segfault:

> strace glxgears
...
sigreturn() = ? (mask now [])
rt_sigaction(SIGILL, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGFPE, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0
brk(0x8093000)  = 0x8093000
open("/etc/drirc", O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)
open("/home/tconnors/.drirc", O_RDONLY) = 6
read(6, "\n mplayer foo.avi
...
Movie-Aspect is 1.78:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
VO: [xv] 640x360 => 640x360 Planar YV12 
Unicode charmap not available for this font. Very bad!?% ??,?% 0 0  
 
subtitle font: prepare_charset failed.
Unicode charmap not available for this font. Very bad!?% ??,?% 0 0  
 
subtitle font: prepare_charset failed.
X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)


MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: vo_check_events
...


Now, Most things appear to load in the Xorg.0.log file, with one 
major exception:

...
(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x rev 2, Mem @ 
0xf800/26, 0xfdffc000/14, I/O @ 0xec00/8
...
(WW) Ignoring request to load module GLcore
...
(II) Loading extension XVideo
...
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
(II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module "GLcore"
(II) LoadModule: "GLcore"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o":  No 
symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o":  No 
symbols found
Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o":  No 
symbols found
(II) Module GLcore: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module "drm"
(II) LoadModule: "drm"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a
(II) Module drm: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
...
(II) LoadModule: "r128"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o
(II) Module r128: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 4.0.1
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
(II) LoadModule: "ati"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
(II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 6.5.6
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
...
(II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.5.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga
(II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets:
ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LF (AGP),
...
(--) Chipset ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LF (AGP) found
(II) Loading sub module "r128"
(II) LoadModule: "r128"
(II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o
...
(II) R128(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0
(**) R128(0): Depth 16, (--) framebuffer bpp 16
(II) R128(0): Pixel depth = 16 bits stored in 2 bytes (16 bpp pixmaps)
(==) R128(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(**) R128(0): Option "Display" "CRT"
...
(II) R128(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x
(==) R128(0): RGB weight 565
(II) R128(0): Using 6 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
(II) Loading sub module "int10"
(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a
(II) R128(0): initializing int10
(II) R128(0):

Re: ultra320 controller suggestions

2006-01-10 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
On 1/9/06, Rodney Richison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to get some suggestions for some ultra320 controllers that are
> very debian friendly for purchase from ebay.

LSI Logic SCSI controllers are quite good.
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Re: Setting up a netboot server

2006-01-10 Thread Mark Lijftogt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:10:35PM -, Pete Clarke wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I currently have a netboot server (tftp) for setting up Solaris machines,
> it is an Ultra 10 running Solaris 9.
> I have a local mirror of the Debian archive, and currently use a netboot
> CD image to boot x86 and Sparc workstations before installation over the
> network.
> 
> Solaris netboot/installation works fine - now, I want to expand this to
> serve Debian installation images too - I can sort the tftp side of things
> (/etc/ethers /etc/hosts and the /tftpboot links) but am curious as to what
> extra software I need to install on the Solaris machine.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience in this? I don't want to have to setup a
> further tftp server specifically for the Debian installation if I can
> possibly avoid it!
> Basically I want to bypass the netboot CD image and get each new client to
> setup purely via the network.
> the mirror is currently on a different machine to the tftp server.

I would advice you to take a look at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ .
It might be just what you want, just for debian.

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Setting up a netboot server

2006-01-10 Thread Pete Clarke
Hi all,

I currently have a netboot server (tftp) for setting up Solaris machines,
it is an Ultra 10 running Solaris 9.
I have a local mirror of the Debian archive, and currently use a netboot
CD image to boot x86 and Sparc workstations before installation over the
network.

Solaris netboot/installation works fine - now, I want to expand this to
serve Debian installation images too - I can sort the tftp side of things
(/etc/ethers /etc/hosts and the /tftpboot links) but am curious as to what
extra software I need to install on the Solaris machine.

Has anyone had any experience in this? I don't want to have to setup a
further tftp server specifically for the Debian installation if I can
possibly avoid it!
Basically I want to bypass the netboot CD image and get each new client to
setup purely via the network.
the mirror is currently on a different machine to the tftp server.

Cheers,


Pete.


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version of libglib2.0-0 too high

2006-01-10 Thread gab gab
Hi,

I have a package problem i cannot solve :

In order to build a gtkmm GUI project, I must install the package
"libgtkmm-2.4-dev", but there are dependencies that i cannot satisfy.

when i run "apt-get install libgtkmm-2.4-dev", i find that :

libgtkmm-2.4-dev depends
  libgtk2.0-dev, which depends
libglib2.0-dev

But libglib2.0-dev depends libglib2.0-0 version 2.6.4-1, and i have
version 2.8.4-2 on my system.

I tried to downgrade libglib2.0-0 to version 2.6.4-1, but many others
packages need the 2.8.4-2 version...

Do you know a solution ?

I use debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2, on a Fujitsu-Siemens "amilo A" laptop

thanks,
gabriel



Re: an advice about security.

2006-01-10 Thread Mark Lijftogt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:57:22PM +0100, Mauro Sanna wrote:
> Hello.
> My users connect via a samba server to their home directories and to a 
> develop directory that is /home/develop.
> Then they copy all the data from /home/develop to /var/www/final.
> Now they want to connect directly to /var/www/final to avoid the copy.
> Can I share /var/www/final with samba or it can be a security problem?

If the learning curve isn't to steep for your developers, it would be a wise
move to take a look at a Subversion/CVS, in that case they could stick to
their devloping area, but make changes and make sure that they don't overwrite
others changes by mistake.

A security risk.. I wouldn't call it as such, but a small mistake is made
realy quickly.

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an advice about security.

2006-01-10 Thread Mauro Sanna
Hello.
My users connect via a samba server to their home directories and to a 
develop directory that is /home/develop.
Then they copy all the data from /home/develop to /var/www/final.
Now they want to connect directly to /var/www/final to avoid the copy.
Can I share /var/www/final with samba or it can be a security problem?


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Re: Cups & Samba with Print problem

2006-01-10 Thread Clive Menzies
On (09/01/06 21:33), Don wrote:
> I am a newbie at Linux and got CUPs running with Samba to print to my 
> Windows printer over my home network.  This was running well for several 
> weeks and then  nothing.  Following a power outage 
> my printing from the Linux box simply quit.  I did several things and 
> finally ended up restarting   both CUPS and Samba and got one page printed 
> out and then it stopped again.  This time research lead me to lpstat -t to 
> get a print of the CUPS server status.  Here is what that shows:
> 

I had a similar problem back last November - check the archives for :
Bug#339015: samba: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED when trying to print via cups

It was different insofar as the problem was printing to a samba
rather than windows printer.

However, check the thread - it may be something to do with a corrupted
.tdb file.

Regards

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Re: cups - samba - frustration!

2006-01-10 Thread Clive Menzies
On (10/01/06 08:53), Angela Gavazzi wrote:
> I think I'm doing some idiot error, but I can't find it - or it's a library 
> problem or something else.
> 
Not sure this will be much help but here goes ...

> I have a sarge system, samba 3.0.20 from testing (also tried samba version 
> from sarge) and tried cups in all versions: 1.0.23.10/12/15 
> (sarge,testing,unstable).
> Samba is member server in an NT4 domain (need to move the printserver to 
> migrate the domain), authentication through winbind, all works on samba. Can 
> make shares, put data into it, robocopy data from windows to it with the 
> correct acls.
> I can install printers in cups, can print from Linux, all is ok.

Samba 3.0.14a-3 and Cupsys 1.1.23-10 work fine on our sarge servers
serving Windows (XP, 2000 and 98), Mac and Linux clients.  I don't
believe you will gain much from using the etch versions unless there is
specific functionality you're after that isn't available in sarge.

I haven't yet cracked centralised authentication and so the setups we
have are simpler in many respects.  Nonetheless it is worth referring to 

http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html

if you haven't already.  

> 
> When I try to prepare the printerdrivers for the windows clients with 
> cupsaddsmb "nothing" happens: no error message, "Printer added successfully" 
> but not drivers copied to print$ share, no updates from ntprinters.tdb, 
> nothing.
> 
> I just put a post here about 10 days ago, but nobody ansered, the same on 
> samba and cups list.

At the risk of asking a dumb question, have you set up the windows
driver sharing within smb.conf?

Also can you print from windows printer setting it up with a driver
sourced from somewhere other than the server?

Regards

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Re: Back to original topic [Was: [Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]]

2006-01-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at  4:35:22 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
[...]
> 
> It seems pretty clear that subscribers of this list don't
> want/need/... a debian-newcomer list.
> 
> Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread: the
> "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't want them to stop) so
> what can we do? I'll try to summarize the suggestions we have already:
> 
> 1. Rewriting the welcome message coupled with some scripts to quickly
>install a GUI (for the ones who missed the option) or get rid of the
>newbie welcome

and/or, as I suggested on the near-parallel thread "Linux Distribution
Chooser", another little tweak:

 1b. Altering tasksel section of installer to split the tasks into two
 pages, one for desktop and one for everything else, each preceded
 by a page of explanation (to make it more difficult for a neophyte
 to slip up).
 
> 2. Officially label Debian "For advanced users only" (maybe also point
>at alternatives?)

> 3. Have the 'Desktop' task selected by default (and
>maybe add some warnings to unselecting it). A reboot or "start gdm"
>(at least as a default option which can be changed) at that point
>might also be a good idea as base-config exits to a shell.  

> 4. incorporate the hardware detection of derivative distros (like
>Knoppix). This would probably be possible only for the i386 branch
>(maybe also ia64/amd64?), but this branch is also the one that will
>receive the most newbies.

> I hope i didn't miss something

Thanks for the summary, Andrei.

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Kapcsolatfelvétel

2006-01-10 Thread Vadas Csaba



Tisztelt Hölgyem, Uram!!
 
Engedje meg, hogy bemutatkozzam, Vadas Csaba 
vagyoka Dreamworld Entertainment Kft.munkatársa. 
 
Hozzájárulását szeretném kérni, hogy egy 
bemutatkozó e-mail-t küldjek a cégüknek, melyben röviden bemutatom 
tevékenységi köreinket.Kérem írja meg a munkatársuk nevét akinek a levelet 
címezhetem.
 
További szép napot kívánok!
 
Üdvözlettel, 
 
Vadas CsabaDreamworld Entertainment 
Kft.1032 Budapest, Zápor u. 53.Tel/Fax: 240-4654
 
A tájékoztatáshoz - a vonatkozó törvények 
értelmében - a hozzájárulását kell kérjem. E-mail címe nyilvános internetes 
oldalakról került hozzánk. Ez a levél nem spam, hanem a 2001. évi CVIII. törvény 
14. § (1) pontjában eloírt hozzájárulás-kéro levél. Ha levelünkkel esetleg 
zavartuk, elnézést kérünk.


Re: Recommendation for newsreader

2006-01-10 Thread Richard Lyons
On Monday,  9 January 2006 at 16:27:23 -0800, Will L (sent by Nabble.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> Uwe Heinz Rudi Dippel wrote: 
> > 
> > ...
> > On the other hand, I don't want to re-ask old questions, and prefer the
> > archive of gmane.org, which as of now contains more than 200.000 posts.
> > With numbers like this, to search for a keyword in the subject or an
> > author's name, it can take literally minutes to sort through the posts in
> > order to come up with the result.
> > ...
> > 
> 
> Try search the Debian archive on Nabble: 
> http://www.nabble.com/Debian-User-f32.html

That is a good resource.  Pity it's not subthreaded, so to speak. But
very useful anyway.

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nforce2 and temperature monitoring

2006-01-10 Thread Andras Lorincz
Hi,

I have an Asus A7N8X-XE mobo. Things work well: networking, audio, IDE
drivers are working with 2.6.14.4 kernel, the only thing is that I
cannot monitor the CPU and case temperature; is there some module that
I didn't compile, if yes then which is that?



Re: logwatch and imap

2006-01-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joe Mc Cool wrote:

>Please,
>
>logwatch is reporting:
>
>  
>
>> - IMAP Begin  
>>
>>
>>[IMAPd] Connections:
>>=
>>  Host | Connections |SSL   |   Total  
>>-- | --- |  | -
>>62.194.153.108 |   1 |0 | 1
>>  69.43.178.11 |   1 |0 | 1
>>---
>>   2 |0 | 2
>>
>>
>>
>>**Unmatched Entries**
>>   Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? 
>> host=[69.43.178.11]: 1 Time(s)
>>   Null command before authentication host=h153108.upc-h.chello.nl 
>> [62.194.153.108]: 2 Time(s)
>>
>> -- IMAP End - 
>>
>>
>
>But, AFAIK, I am not using imap.  Certainly ps -ef | grep imap
>displays nothing.  The reported ip addresses mean nothing to me.
>
>Is my system being exploited in some way ?
>
>Thanks
>
>Joe
>
>
>  
>
Joe
ps -ef only show part of the services, others are using via inetd or xinetd.
Please check your /etc/inetd.conf our /etc/xinetd.conf and remove:

...
service imaps
{
socket_type = stream
protocol= tcp
wait= no
user= root
server  = /usr/sbin/imapd
}

service pop-3
{
socket_type = stream
protocol= tcp
wait= no
user= root
server  = /usr/sbin/in.qpopper
server_args = -f /etc/qpopper.conf
}
...

bye


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Where to alter vertical padding in menu bars?

2006-01-10 Thread Paul Dwerryhouse

After an apt-get upgrade for unstable today, the vertical padding in all
menu bars in gtk/gnome related applications seems to have increased.

That is, the menu bars, menu lists and item lists have increased in size
vertically, but the size of the font within them hasn't changed.
Frankly, I find it quite ugly, and it wastes space.

Does anyone know where to alter this? I'm assuming it's gconf2 related,
since that was one of the packages that was upgraded, and it seems to be
the source of all my look and feel problems...

Note that I'm not entirely using gnome - I use fvwm as my window
manager, plus a couple of gnome-based applications, such as galeon and
liferea...

Cheers,

Paul


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logwatch and imap

2006-01-10 Thread Joe Mc Cool
Please,

logwatch is reporting:

>  - IMAP Begin  
> 
> 
> [IMAPd] Connections:
> =
>   Host | Connections |SSL   |   Total  
> -- | --- |  | -
> 62.194.153.108 |   1 |0 | 1
>   69.43.178.11 |   1 |0 | 1
> ---
>2 |0 | 2
> 
> 
> 
> **Unmatched Entries**
>Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? 
> host=[69.43.178.11]: 1 Time(s)
>Null command before authentication host=h153108.upc-h.chello.nl 
> [62.194.153.108]: 2 Time(s)
> 
>  -- IMAP End - 

But, AFAIK, I am not using imap.  Certainly ps -ef | grep imap
displays nothing.  The reported ip addresses mean nothing to me.

Is my system being exploited in some way ?

Thanks

Joe


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Re: Firefox error following recent Sid upgrade

2006-01-10 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 09 Jan 2006, Greg Norris wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 02:17:06PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I just did a large upgrade in Sid, with xorg among other packages
> > involved. Firefox now looks odd: large spaces between lines and fonts
> > different. There is also the following error message:
> 
> This could be caused by an incompatible extension.  Try launching 
> firefox from an xterm, with the "-safemode" parameter... is the problem 
> still present?
> 
> 


Yes I thought of that and removed the extensions (forgot about
safemode!). Didn't help, however. I made a new config file and will now
try reinstalling the extensions to see what happened.

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Re: Live Video via USB 2.0 from Sony DCR-TRV33 Camcorder

2006-01-10 Thread David R. Litwin
See January 2006 Linux Journal for quite an interesting article about this sort of thing.
Where can I find this?Ta.-- —A watched bread-crumb never boils.—My hover-craft is full of eels.—[...]and that's the he and the she of it.


Fwd: Live Video via USB 2.0 from Sony DCR-TRV33 Camcorder

2006-01-10 Thread David R. Litwin
Didn't one come with the camcorder?
Sony, willingly give up the chance to sell some thing to some one and make a pretty buck? I'm surprised that they supplied a USB wire.

>  But, I would like to have the USB working in the interim.Good luck.  Tell us if you get it working...I'll need some good skill and a bit of luck. But, I'll see what I can do
Cheers.
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Re: Back to original topic [Was: [Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]]

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:52:10AM -0600, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > From: Andrei Popescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:35 PM
> 
> <...>
> 
> > 4. incorporate the hardware detection of derivative distros
> > (like Knoppix). This would probably be possible only for the
> > i386 branch (maybe also ia64/amd64?), but this branch is also
> > the one that will receive the most newbies.
> 
> I would put a +1 on this, as it would help everyone, not just noobs.
> There is no reason for any distro to _not_ do the best job of hardware
> detection possible.
> 
Knoppix _was_ using a port of Red Hat Anaconda. I'm not sure what
is used now. The Etch installer is significantly better than the
Sarge installer - I used a daily build from http://cdimage.debian.org
the other day to rebuild a machine and was pleasantly surprised.

Do bear in mind, though, that Debian needs to support more architectures
than anyone else. Consistency across the installer for e.g. Sparc and
Alpha has made my installs on those architectures so much more
straightforward. It's also necessary to support hardware which has
no mouse or graphics card, for example, and to support serial console:
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.ape files

2006-01-10 Thread Meni Shapiro
Hi guys,What player plays .ape files?Which pkg should i install?i'm running debian 3.1 with gnome 2.xi've tried xmms,totem,vlc all failed.10x for the help-- --Meni Szapiro



Re: window manager.

2006-01-10 Thread Mauro Sanna
> Hurd is not a kernel, mach is the uKernel over which hurd runs, and
> debian is in top of hurd, :).  I have it for trial.  Console is OK,
> but with X I experienced file system corruption.  In general it's OK,
> but I wouldn't trust it reliably.  That's just my opinion though.
> Remember the whole hurd is under unstable, and what's not under
> unstable is under experimental.  So for sure for reliable server it's
> NOT good enough.  Besides mach is pretty picky about hardware
> compatibility, :(  But it works, and it's what matters to me (I just
> want to be ready for the time hurd gets into a more reliable state,
> and it gets more packages in, besides more drivers since most are
> missing).  Maybe more usage from others could help get it more
> stable,
>
> :).  Hurd guys are to change the uKernel from mach to L4, and now
> : they
>
> are thinking about coyotos and another new version of L4 uKernels. 
> So all this makes hurd a bit far from what I'd like it to be, but
> again, it's usable, specially if you want a trial system plus if you
> want to contribute a bit as well, :)

Ok.
But...why using hurd with mach kernel instead of linux?
It's for your trial ok, but supposing hurd became stable, why use it 
instead of linux?


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