Re: iptables and syslog

[Yann Lejeune]

On 2006/02/23-23:07(+0100), Luis Fernando Llana Díaz wrote :
>   a couple of years ago I designed a firewall with iptables. I wrote some 
> rules of the kind:
> iptables .. -LOG
> The packages that mathed the rule were displayed in /var/log/syslog. Now I 
> have had to change the firewall, since I had some errors I have written some 
> rules like 
> iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-level notice
> that but I have no information in /var/log/syslog.
> 
>   I assume that somthing has change. I have added the line
> kern.notice;kern.!warn  /var/log/firewall
> but I don't get any information in the file /var/log/firewall

Hi,
 You could also use the ULOG target and the ulogd daemon to achieve such
 job. You just have to modify your logging rules.


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Re: unable to upgrade past kernel2.6.7 with SATA RAID

[Dave Thayer]

Yuk, I went through that ordeal a few months back.  Off of the top of my
head I had to do this:

1) Compile a new kernel without initrd.  (I would have done this anyway
because I have a fixed-frequency monitor so I want framebuffer as early as
possible during bootup). I used kernel-package to make a deb package..

2) Booted up from a knoppix CD. Since you use LVM Ubuntu would probably be a
better choice.

3) Mounted my old root and other partitions below it. IIRC knoppix made the
fstab entry a nodev mount, so edit /etc/fstab to make sure that this doesn't
happen.

4) Used pivot_root to make the HD root into my working root. You could
probably use chroot to do this.

5) Installed the kernel image from the deb. If you already have the  kernel
image in place than this is when you would run lilo or update-grub. This is
also a good time to edit /etc/fstab and anything else that is looking for
/dev/hd*,

6) Rebooted and crossed fingers.

I am probably leaving some critical stuff out here, but hopefully this will
get you going in the right direction.

dt

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how to configure hostname and /etc/hosts?

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

Hello,

I have a notebook which I often move between sites and ocasionally use
without network connection.
I have set up hostname to 'fnote' and set up /etc/hosts this way:

127.0.0.1   localhost   fnote.local fnote

This means, that "fnote" resolves along with "fnote.local" and of course
"localhost" to 127.0.0.1, while 127.0.0.1 resolves to "localhost" -

I've logically expected that 127.0.0.1 should always resolve to "localhost"
and vice versa. (searching google supports this opinion)

However, when programming a script that uses `hostname -s` convention to get
the first component of the hostname (some people use to set hostname to
their FQDN and I'd like my script to be portable), I found out that
`hostname -s` command does not only strip the hostname until the first dot,
but it first tries to get the FQDN and then it strips the first part.

Thinking it's a bug in hostname I filled bug report:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345761

however the report was rejected and closed because the maintainer says
"It's not a bug". I don't agree with this opinion, but I'd like to ask in
public, if you think my setup is correct.

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Re: how to configure hostname and /etc/hosts?

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a notebook which I often move between sites and ocasionally use
> without network connection.
> I have set up hostname to 'fnote' and set up /etc/hosts this way:
> 
> 127.0.0.1   localhost   fnote.local fnote
> 
> This means, that "fnote" resolves along with "fnote.local" and of course
> "localhost" to 127.0.0.1, while 127.0.0.1 resolves to "localhost" -

it should be:

127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost

w.x.y.z fnote.debian.org  fnote  www  oranythingelseyouwant

but real dns men, put w.xy.z and its reverse into a dns file and only
define localhost in /etc/hosts  

> I've logically expected that 127.0.0.1 should always resolve to "localhost"
> and vice versa. (searching google supports this opinion)

that doesn't mean its correct
 
> However, when programming a script that uses `hostname -s` convention to get

bingo ... along with hostname -f, hostname -d might return values
you might not want if the wrong entries is used in /etc/hosts or dns

c ya
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vbe problem revisited

[OguzY]

I decided to add the logs.

Let me remention my problem. I have a Mitac 5021 laptop that has woody
installed. I installed the base system and xserver-xfree86 and icevm.
Whenever the x server tries to run i got a SetVBE error. So i couldt
get the icewm running.
Here are the some helpfull logs.

#lspci --v : http://pastebin.com/569891
#cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log : http://pastebin.com/569894
#cat /proc/meminfo: http://pastebin.com/569897
#cat /proc/cpuinfo : http://pastebin.com/569899
#uname -a : http://pastebin.com/569900
#cat /proc/devices : http://pastebin.com/569901
#cat /proc/modules : http://pastebin.com/569902

I may send any requested outputs also.

Will be happy if someone share some info with me.

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Re: how to configure hostname and /etc/hosts?

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > I have a notebook which I often move between sites and ocasionally use
> > without network connection.
> > I have set up hostname to 'fnote' and set up /etc/hosts this way:
> > 
> > 127.0.0.1   localhost   fnote.local fnote
> > 
> > This means, that "fnote" resolves along with "fnote.local" and of course
> > "localhost" to 127.0.0.1, while 127.0.0.1 resolves to "localhost" -

On 24.02 00:39, Alvin Oga wrote:
> it should be:
> 
> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
> 
> w.x.y.z   fnote.debian.org  fnote  www  oranythingelseyouwant
> 
> but real dns men, put w.xy.z and its reverse into a dns file and only
> define localhost in /etc/hosts  

I do NOT have any primary nor own IP address, and I don't know when will I
get what IP, I can't just put an IP into /etc/hosts - when connecting to
different networks, ONLY IP that I can't get assigned is the localhost -
127.0.0.1

Of course that would be different if that was my home machine statically
connected to a network there I could use one of private subnets, however In
places I use to go, I get IPs from such ranges.

> > I've logically expected that 127.0.0.1 should always resolve to "localhost"
> > and vice versa. (searching google supports this opinion)
> 
> that doesn't mean its correct

What is correct then? use random IP and reconfigure notebook whenever it's
used in a network? yah...

> > However, when programming a script that uses `hostname -s` convention to
> > get
> 
> bingo ... along with hostname -f, hostname -d might return values
> you might not want if the wrong entries is used in /etc/hosts or dns

It is what I can expect in such case. However, as long as the man page says:

   -s, --short
  Display the short host name. This is the host name  cut  at the
  first dot.

people would expext it's the "host name" (as returneg by gethostname) and
not "fqdn" cut, right?

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Re: how to configure hostname and /etc/hosts?

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

> > 127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost
> > 
> > w.x.y.z fnote.debian.org  fnote  www  oranythingelseyouwant
> > 
> > but real dns men, put w.xy.z and its reverse into a dns file and only
> > define localhost in /etc/hosts  
> 
> I do NOT have any primary nor own IP address, 

than do NOT put in anything else other than the 3 fields of 127.0.0.1

do not put fnote or anythign else not related to "localhost" (aka 127.*)

when your isp or coffee house let's you connect, they will give you
static iP#  and/or dhcp ... 

> What is correct then?

already posted previously

> use random IP and reconfigure notebook whenever it's
> used in a network? yah...

only if you like to break things and experiment
 
>-s, --short
>   Display the short host name. This is the host name  cut  at the
>   first dot.
> 
> people would expext it's the "host name" (as returneg by gethostname) and
> not "fqdn" cut, right?

hostname -s  should return www
hostname -f  should return www.debian.org
hostname -d  should return debian.org

this a classic simple minded test to see whether dns and /etc/hosts is
configured right or not

and do the same/similar simple tests for reverse dns of ip#

c ya
alvin


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VPN with sarge and Citrix Secure Access

[Klaus Pieper]

Hi gurus,

my company introduces VPN connection with Citrix which also offers a 
client for linux 2.4.


I set up a Vmware vm with sarge kernel 2.4 and installed the client 
which consists of a daemon (net6vpnd) and a user application (net6vpn).


I can log in and apparently established a connection to the server, 
however the private lan of the company is not visible.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ net6vpn --status
Connected to :443 as  for the last 00:10:15.

When I try to connect from the vm (with static ip 192.168.1.11) to 
10.18.1.10 (using the ip address since dns does not work either) I get a 
timeout.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg
..
ip_rt_bug: 10.18.1.10 -> 192.168.1.11, ?
ip_rt_bug: 10.18.1.10 -> 192.168.1.11, ?
ip_rt_bug: 10.18.1.10 -> 192.168.1.11, ?


TIA,
Klaus


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how to disable hardware detectiong during booting

[Serena Cantor]

It's sarge, detection may take time, can't find info
on this, HELP! 

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Unable to get usb stuff too work

[Jason M Cox]

I am using Debian 3.1 sarge which boasts more out of box hardware
support than windows. But I do not see that this is the case. Maybe its
because I downloaded it :) 

Here is the deal. I am unable to use an internal USB multi flash card
reader. I tried getting help on irc.debian.org #debian and users
instructed me to install usb drivers and modprobe some stuff but
everything is installed then they said to do the tail -f method (or
something like that it was last week)  when inserting the flash
card but i get nothing. What do I need to do to get this card reader
too work?

This next issue is not as important but still needs to be resolved.
That same tail method worked for an external USB thumb drive. But when
i try and mount it with vfat it says that I am using the wrong fs type.
Shouldnt it auto mount anyway?-- Jason M Cox314-749-6192http://calendar.yahoo.com/jason_m_coxhttp://jasonmcox.iwarp.com

Re: Really stupid question...

[mslinuz]

>Ivan Teliatnikov wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 13:17 +0700, mslinuz wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Andy Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Okay, I'm sure everyone here knows how to do this
except me...

I have a server with some disk space shared using
Samba.  Each user has an account and a home share.
When a user logs in to a workstation, I'd like their
home share on the Samba server to be automatically
mounted, and then unmounted when they log off.
I'm using Gnome/GDM with Debian Sarge.  I'm sure
there is an easy way to do this that I haven't found...

Thanks for any assistance in this.

 



>>>I'm sorry if I misunderstand, but after reading your mail, I have 2
>>>assumtions:
>>>1. Users use debian with gnome/gdm in the different machine and need
>>>  to mount the share everytime they log in.
>>>  Create a directory for mounting user share.
>>>  Then create a file with 0700 for everyuser place in a save place :
>>> 
>>>  #!/bin/bash
>>>  smbmount //serveraddress/sharedfolder /pathtomountingpoint -o
>>>  username=whatever,password=pwd;
>>>  exit 0;
>>> 
>>>  add these line to $HOME/user/.bashrc :
>>>
>>>  if [ -f PATHTOSCRIPTFILE ]; then
>>>  . PATHTOSCRIPTFILE;
>>>  fi
>>> 
>>>  that's all.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>I have about 500+ users (students). I do not like to store user
>>passwords as clear text in user's home directory. Is there way to go
>>around this. 
>>
>>
>>
>That's why 0700 file mask is recommended or 0500.
>And have the script name not to "show up". Name it "fancybash.sh" or
>something
>inrelated ;-)
>You can find yourself the most secure way to place the script, but for
>this to work it needs to be stored in a place where your user have access
>into it.
>But if the shared samba folder use the same authentication ( user/pwd ) for
>every user, you could have root do the mount thing.
>
>  
>
Sorry for wrong info, I mean if the samba shared folder is the same folder
that needed by every user then you can create a directory which
accessible for
all users and mounting it via /etc/fstab.
Create a group where all of your users must be added into. And have the
share
folder mapped with the group pemission.
For example :

//serverpath/thesharedfolder  /mnt/samba  smbfs
user,password=smbpassword,uid=1000
,gid=1000,username=smbusername,auto  0  0

I believe there are more advanced and easier ways to do it. But those
are the things
I usually do.


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Re: Really stupid question...

[Welly Hartanto]

mslinuz wrote:

  Ivan Teliatnikov wrote:

  
  
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 13:17 +0700, mslinuz wrote:
 



  Andy Anderson wrote:

   

  
  
Okay, I'm sure everyone here knows how to do this
except me...

I have a server with some disk space shared using
Samba.  Each user has an account and a home share.
When a user logs in to a workstation, I'd like their
home share on the Samba server to be automatically
mounted, and then unmounted when they log off.
I'm using Gnome/GDM with Debian Sarge.  I'm sure
there is an easy way to do this that I haven't found...

Thanks for any assistance in this.

 


  
  I'm sorry if I misunderstand, but after reading your mail, I have 2
assumtions:
1. Users use debian with gnome/gdm in the different machine and need
  to mount the share everytime they log in.
  Create a directory for mounting user share.
  Then create a file with 0700 for everyuser place in a save place :
 
  #!/bin/bash
  smbmount //serveraddress/sharedfolder /pathtomountingpoint -o
  username=whatever,password=pwd;
  exit 0;
 
  add these line to $HOME/user/.bashrc :

  if [ -f PATHTOSCRIPTFILE ]; then
  . PATHTOSCRIPTFILE;
  fi
 
  that's all.
   

  

I have about 500+ users (students). I do not like to store user
passwords as clear text in user's home directory. Is there way to go
around this. 


  
  That's why 0700 file mask is recommended or 0500.
And have the script name not to "show up". Name it "fancybash.sh" or
something
inrelated ;-)
You can find yourself the most secure way to place the script, but for
this to work it needs to be stored in a place where your user have access
into it.
But if the shared samba folder use the same authentication ( user/pwd ) for
every user, you could have root do the mount thing.

  

Sorry for wrong info, I mean if the samba shared folder is the same
folder
that needed by every user then you can create a directory which
accessible for
all users and mounting it via /etc/fstab.
Create a group where all of your users must be added into. And have the
share
folder mapped with the group pemission.
For example :

//serverpath/thesharedfolder  /mnt/samba  smbfs 
user,password=smbpassword,uid=1000
,gid=1000,username=smbusername,auto  0  0

I believe there are more advanced and easier ways to do it. But those
are the things 
I usually do.

addition to set vbe probşem in mitac 5021

[OguzY]

lspci -n http://pastebin.com/570005
lspci -v http://pastebin.com/570009

and
#modprobe vesafb

modprobe: Cant't locate module vesafb

Oguz Yarimtepe

Re: dual processors

[Clive Menzies]

On (22/02/06 19:53), Charles wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Clive Menzies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: dual processors
> 
> 
> >On (22/02/06 15:52), Ken Walker wrote:
> >>Does Debian stable 3.1, net install detect and install for dual 
> >>processors
> >>or is there another installation disk for them
> >
> >You can complete the install and install an smp (multiprocessor) kernel
> >afterwards.  Or if you're desperate to install with an smp kernel, at
> >the boot prompt type:
> ># expert26
> >
> >which will give you the smp option during the install.
> >
> >
> >The end result is the same.
> >
> >FWIW, I usually do a standard install and upgrade the kernel afterwards.
> 
> Had any problems with 2.6.8-2-smp kernel not recognizing an IDE drive?  I 
> have a Creative Labs CD-RW and it exists under 2.4.17 , not under the 
> 2.6.8 SMP kernel. 

Not that I recall; I've run smp kernels on Powerpc (G4s) and i386
machines.  I did have an issue with RAID partitions not being assembled
prior to them being mounted during boot but sort this by including the
SATA modules in /etc/modules.

Can't say I've ever experienced problems with IDE drives

Regards

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Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[Arnau]

Hi all,

  I've installed a new Dell poweredge 850 server with SCSCI disks
formated as ext3 from a netinstall, it run smoothly and installed the
2.6.12-i386 kernel image. After the aptitude dist-upgrade, I upgraded
the linux-image to the 2.6.15-686 and also to 2.6.15-686-smp (having
with both the same result) and when I reboot the machine it displays the
following errors:

  Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

and a busybox shell appears. Anybody knows how to fix this?

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Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[Arnau Rebassa Villalonga]

Hi all,

  I've installed a new Dell poweredge 850 server with SCSCI disks 
formated as ext3 from a netinstall, it run smoothly and installed the 
2.6.12-i386 kernel image. After the aptitude dist-upgrade, I upgraded 
the linux-image to the 2.6.15-686 and also to 2.6.15-686-smp (having 
with both the same result) and when I reboot the machine it displays the 
following errors:


  Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

and a busybox shell appears. Anybody knows how to fix this?

Regards
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Sometimes nothing happens when printing to network printers

[Robert Rothenberg]

I've been having trouble printing to network printers from KDE and Gnome
applications lately, using CUPS or LP.  No errors show up, and as far as the
applications are concerned, the documents printed.  But the documents are
never actually sent to the printers.

There's no problem with the printers. They're mostly HP LaserJets. I've
checked with the network admins and the other users in the building. They've
had no such problems.

Killing cupds and restarting it sometimes works.  Rebooting my machine
always works.  But that's a Windows-style kluge--I'd like to actually fix
the problem.

Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong, and how to fix it?

Thanks,
Rob


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Re: Where Is the ChangeLog for Packages?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

On 2/22/06, Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to find the changelog for the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 package.
> Since packages.debian.org is down, the temporary site doesn't seem to have
> this info.  I need to see if any changes were made that effect serial port
> drivers.
>
> Where can I find this if the source site is down and the mirror doesn't
> include it?

visit http://packages.qa.debian.org and search there for your package
of interest. You will be presented with much info about that package
including 'Latest News' on the right hand side of the page. There
you'll find mails from the maintainer(s) containing the changelogs.

Re: install help with tosiba laptop

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 15:31 -0800, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> On 2/23/06, Matt Zagrabelny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> todd,>> please keep 
> replies on the list. thanks.> also use inline responses, it makes for better 
> readability.>> On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 18:22 -0500, Todd Swackhamer wrote:> > 
> do i need to know much to go through this? this is my first debian> > install 
> (or any linux experience, for that matter) and i am a bit> > intimidated 
> going through the expert mode.>> go with the etch installer. worst case 
> scenario is you lose an hour or> two fiddling.
> Can etch installer be used to install sarge? If so how?

i doubt it, but i wanted to give it a go i would boot into the expert
mode, and when it asked me about my apt sources i would enter 'sarge' by
hand:

$ grep sarge /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free

i have no idea what the affect of this would be.

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[Hendrik Sattler]

Arnau Rebassa Villalonga wrote:
>I've installed a new Dell poweredge 850 server with SCSCI disks
> formated as ext3 from a netinstall, it run smoothly and installed the
> 2.6.12-i386 kernel image. After the aptitude dist-upgrade, I upgraded
> the linux-image to the 2.6.15-686 and also to 2.6.15-686-smp (having
> with both the same result) and when I reboot the machine it displays the
> following errors:
> 
>Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
> 
>/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
> 
> and a busybox shell appears. Anybody knows how to fix this?

I also have this problem and I also have root on a SCSI disk.
I guess this is something about this damn initramfs and an driver that does 
not get loaded.
Also udev shows LOTS of errors prior to that.

HS

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Re: Confused about 64-bit architectures.

[Marc Wilson]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 06:55:39PM +, Adam Funk wrote:
> It gives the information -- but not in a dumbed-down enough format for
> me.  For example, nowhere on that page is the word "Xeon" mentioned,
> so if I bought a Xeon computer, for example, I wouldn't know from that
> page alone to install AMD64.

And that's a good thing, since the one has little to do with the other.

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Re: Replacement for Nessus

[Juergen Fiedler]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 08:36:03PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 23 February 2006 16:46, Sergio Cu?llar Vald?s wrote:
> >> There is Snort, but I don't know whether it will do all you ask.
> >
> >Remote network security auditor != Flexible Network Intrusion
> > Detection System
> 
> Agreed.  Portsentry and tcpwrappers, along with iptables, has kept me 
> safe and invisible for the last 4 years, hooked to a dsl 24/7/365.

My problem is that I do expose certain services (SMTP, IMAP, HTTP,
etc.) to the outside world and would like to make sure that I am doing
that as safely as possible - which more often than not means that not
only the firewall rules but also the application configuration has to
be adjusted.
For example, Nessus made me aware that my default Apache installation
served up an index of /usr/share/doc, making the versions of all
software I have installed on my system known to everyone who cared to
look - not something that I necessarily need.

 --j


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Re: Replacement for Nessus

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 24 February 2006 09:20, Juergen Fiedler wrote:
>On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 08:36:03PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Thursday 23 February 2006 16:46, Sergio Cu?llar Vald?s wrote:
>> >> There is Snort, but I don't know whether it will do all you ask.
>> >
>> >Remote network security auditor != Flexible Network Intrusion
>> > Detection System
>>
>> Agreed.  Portsentry and tcpwrappers, along with iptables, has kept
>> me safe and invisible for the last 4 years, hooked to a dsl
>> 24/7/365.
>
>My problem is that I do expose certain services (SMTP, IMAP, HTTP,
>etc.) to the outside world and would like to make sure that I am doing
>that as safely as possible - which more often than not means that not
>only the firewall rules but also the application configuration has to
>be adjusted.
>For example, Nessus made me aware that my default Apache installation
>served up an index of /usr/share/doc, making the versions of all
>software I have installed on my system known to everyone who cared to
>look - not something that I necessarily need.

Well, in my case since I'm a slave to vz, thats not a worry as vz blocks 
port 80 to ensure no one runs their own web servers at home.  fscking 
jerks.

> --j

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Re: Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[Florian Kulzer]

Hendrik Sattler wrote:

Arnau Rebassa Villalonga wrote:


  I've installed a new Dell poweredge 850 server with SCSCI disks
formated as ext3 from a netinstall, it run smoothly and installed the
2.6.12-i386 kernel image. After the aptitude dist-upgrade, I upgraded
the linux-image to the 2.6.15-686 and also to 2.6.15-686-smp (having
with both the same result) and when I reboot the machine it displays the
following errors:

  Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

and a busybox shell appears. Anybody knows how to fix this?



I also have this problem and I also have root on a SCSI disk.
I guess this is something about this damn initramfs and an driver that does
not get loaded.
Also udev shows LOTS of errors prior to that.


Sometimes it helps to use mkinitrd.yaird to build the initrd (instead of
the default mkinitrd). You can try to install the package "yaird" and
put the following line in /etc/kernel-img.conf:

ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird

(see "man mkinitrd.yaird")

Then do a dpkg-reconfigure of your linux-image-2.6.15-xxx and see if
that gives you a working initrd.

Regards,
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Re: sound issue

[Mark Grieveson]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:20:20 -0500
Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Hello.  On a Sarge machine with 2.4.27-2-686 kernel on a Pentium II 
machine, I'm having problems with sound.  I'm using alsa, with the 
modules installed.  I've run alsaconf, and have enabled sound for gnome 
applications (gnometris, music player, etc).  This works fine, until I 
try to run a kde program (ie, kolf, or kbattleship), at which point the 
machine balks, and tells me that the device is not found, and that it is 
switching to the "null output" device instead.  Then, I need to run 
alsaconf again, to get sound back to general programs (the internet, 
doom, defendguin).  The gnome programs continue to have sound, but the 
kde programs are then silent.  If I disable the gnome sound daemon, then 
both kde and general programs have sound, whereas gnome programs do 
not.  I find this irritating, and just want sound to come from all the 
programs (without worry).  I tried upgrading to the 2.6.8 kernel image, 
but I was unable to load modules for the sb-awe64 soundcard (I even 
tried alsa-source, via module-assistant, but it failed to load the modules).
Any suggestions for how I can get sound working consistently on all the 
programs?
   



I'm no sound guru, but there are a couple of things that may help you. 1) both gnome and 
kde use different sound daemons and they're probably conflicting with each other. There 
should be a way to set these things to just use alsa. 2) your alsa setup may need to be 
setup for software mixing. google "alsa dmixer" and you should get something to 
help you there. probably what is happening is the gnome sound daemon is taking over your 
soundcard and nothing else can get at it. I'm pretty sure the gconf editor has a setting 
to use alsasink instead of esound. look under g-streamer settings.  sorry its vague, but 
hth.

A

 

I tried messing around with the Multimedia Systems Selector, in the 
Gnome Control Centre.  To give myself different option from the osssink 
it was set on, I installed various other gstreamer packages.  Alas, I 
now have no sound what-so-ever.  It seems to set up perfectly via 
alsaconf, identifying my sound card (SoundBlaster Live), but, for some 
reason, it sets up for a non-existent card instead:


"4405 7839 (failed: processes still using sound devices: 
8064(gnome-settings-)).
/etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 
8064(gnome-settings-).
Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi 
snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec snd-util-mem snd-hwdep snd-bt87x 
snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still 
loaded: snd-bt87x snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).

Building card database..."

ALSA Mixer indicates it is set for a Brooktree bt878, instead of using 
snd-emu10k1.  How do I fix this?



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New user

[The Digital Pioneer]

Hello. I just joined this mailing list, and I hope it will be beneficial to me.My first question is:I'm having some trouble getting ACPI working. It must be disabled in GRUB's boot params or else the boot goes to 'Uncompressing Linux. OK' and freezes up. The only way to do anything is hold in the power button until it shuts down, then restarting.
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Re: 2.6.15 boot problems

[Bradley Alexander]

On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 22:29 -0700, John Schmidt wrote:

> Yes, as I understand it reiserfs has some attribute issues with 2.6.15.  I 
> heard that it will be fixed in 2.6.16.  Someone has posted a work around but 
> it may be hard to do with reiserfs on /.  

Is this specific to AMD? I have been running 2.6.15 on my 2GHz Pentium-M
equipped HP laptop for almost a month with no problems.

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Re: 2.6.15 boot problems

[The Digital Pioneer]

I have little to no idea what's going on on this thread as I have just joined, but I'm guessing from the subject that someone is having boot trouble. I have had some trouble booting into any kernel. Have you tried putting in the parameter 'acpi=off'? When I do that, I can boot. Otherwise, it freezes as can be seen in the thread I just opened. Of course, your problem may not be anything like my problem, but there is a chance
HTH-- Thanks,The Digital Pioneer

What virtual package is "minimal system"?

[hendrik]

I managed to install etch on my AMD-64 system, except that in the 
package selection I could not even ask for it to nstall "minimal system" 
because of dependency conflicts.  Neither could I do manual package 
selection -- it just never did that part of the installation even though 
I had reqiested it.

But aptitude will run on my newly installed system.

So my question now is, what virtual package to I ask for in aptitude to 
get the equivalent of "minimal system" during installation?

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Re: Why does aptitude do this?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi Rob,

Am 2006-02-18 21:29:04, schrieb Rob Blomquist:

> How can I stop that from running? I don't want any packages removed from my 
> system unless I say so. Twice now I have used the aptitude GUI, and deleted 
> big chunks of my system that I had to reinstall.
> 
> Consequently, I am now staying away from that GUI and am running it from the 
> CL.


RTFM:   aptitude
  =>  
=>  Options
  =>  Dependency handling
=>  Remove unused packages automatically

> Rob

Greetings
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Re: Configuring inittab

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Tarvin,

Am 2006-02-19 18:02:20, schrieb Digby Tarvin:
> Debian by default does not make good use (IMHO) of the runlevel mechanism.

Oh yes, it does.

Debian give you the freedom to configure your rcX.d HOW YOU WANT!

> It bundles all multi-user stuff into runlevel 2 and then leaves 3-5 undefined

It is defined like the rc2.d.

> The traditional usage I was familiar with was
>   2 - multi-user, no network

No Network is stupid by default.

> Anyway, the infrastructure is there, and you can fix it if you
> want. I am sure there was a good reason for the change, but I
> sure as hell can't think what it would have been...

Debian does not force users.  -  With Debian you have the
choice or use another Distribution if you do not agree...

This is 100% freedom.

> (maybe to simplify package management for packages that involve
> additions to system startup - so they wouldn't need to ask
> about with runlevel things get added to??)

Provide a patch!  -  The BTS is open for it.

> Regards,
> DigbyT


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Re: Really stupid question...

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Andy,

Am 2006-02-19 20:49:16, schrieb Andy Anderson:
> Okay, I'm sure everyone here knows how to do this
> except me...
> 
> I have a server with some disk space shared using
> Samba.  Each user has an account and a home share.
> When a user logs in to a workstation, I'd like their
> home share on the Samba server to be automatically
> mounted, and then unmounted when they log off.
> I'm using Gnome/GDM with Debian Sarge.  I'm sure
> there is an easy way to do this that I haven't found...
> 
> Thanks for any assistance in this.

Sorry, if I missunderstand, but if the $USER habe Gnome/GDM I asume
they are using Linux.  So why the Hell are you using Samba?

It is a Server vor Windows Clients.

Why not use the nfs-kernel-server by default?

On the Server do

apt-get install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common portmap

and then configure 

+---[ '/etc/exports' ]
| 
| /home *(rw,no_root_squash,async,insecure)
| 
+-

run '/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart'.

Then on the clients setup your /home as

+---[ '/etc/fstab' ]--
| 
| your_server:/home   /home   nfs rw,bg,hard,intr,tcp,vers=3,r
| size=8192,wsize=81920   0
| 
+-

and then use 'mount /home' to get it.

Have fun.

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Re: Installation issues

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2006-02-20 10:41:39, schrieb TAC Forums:
> Hi All,
> 
> I was trying to install Debain Sarg stable 3.1 on a system, with 20 GB
> HDD and 128 MB RAM.

> I checked the disk space with df-h , thre seems to be hardly any usage..
> 
> What could be the issue here, has any one faced a similar problem?

Without provideing more informations HOW you have partitioned your
Hardisk and what you are trying to install we can not help realy much...

Please can you provide the output of 'df -m' please?

> Regards,
> 
> Boskey

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Re: gnome broken ????

[Ray Lanza]

On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 21:11, mslinuz wrote:
> Ray Lanza wrote:
> 
> > I tried that and a bunch of other stuff.  I even created a new account
> > expecting it to initialize properly on the first login but symptoms
> > were the same, three icons on the desktop but no panels.  KDE seems to
> > works okay except that the window system hangs when you logout.
> >
> >ray
> >
> > mslinuz wrote:
> >
> >> Ray Lanza wrote:
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>> I did an update from "testing" today which seems to have broken
> >>> gnome.  None of the panels start. All I have displayed is a couple of
> >>> icons.
> >>>
> >>>ray
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>
> >> How about removing your $HOME/.gnome2 to something else such
> >> $HOME/.gnome2.OLD ?
> >>
> >> Maybe somebody in this list could explain how this thing happen.
> >> < It's happen at least more than five time with me >
> >>
> >>
> >> .:: mslinuz ::.
> >>
> >> Send instant messages to your online friends
> >> http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com
> >>
> >>   
> >
> >
> Please do not top post. Many people here doesn't like it ;-)
> So, a couple of icons which are desktop icon is displayed but not the panel.
> Take a look at your $HOME/.gnome2/session.
> There should be some line telling that gnome-panel should be started for
> the session.
> 
> 1,Program=gnome-panel
> 1,CurrentDirectory=/home/welly
> 1,CloneCommand=gnome-panel --sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-AMLqCZ/
> 1,RestartCommand=gnome-panel --sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-AMLqCZ/
> --sm-client-id 117f0100011374087250114570001 --screen 0
> 
> If not then add those lines. But make sure you backup the original one.
> 
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com
> 
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Sorry about "top post", didn't know :-)

Well, I should have checked the obvious!!!  gnome-panel didn't run after
the upgraded because it wasn't on the system ???  Something broke badly
during the upgrade to gnome 2, perhaps I should have been upgrading more
often?  I found that most of gnome wasn't installed.  Could be that
package dependency is broken for gnome ?

thanks,
ray



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Hi spam-killers,
Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
Cheers,
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Hallo! Du (Cord Beermann) hast geschrieben:

>The idea of having a reporting address is good, i'll will announce one
>in the next days and then lets see what happens.

ok, here it is: (alpha release, lets see what happens and if it is
useful.)

If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to
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* Incomplete mails[2] will be discarded,
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The reported mails will be used to enhance our Spamassassin and
procmail-filters. The mails will be stored non-public.

[1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in
thunderbird, or M$ LookOut. If it possible someone may explain
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Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Chris Lale]

Hal Vaughan wrote:


 I posted earlier this week about some problems I had after doing:

 aptitude update && aptitude upgrade

 on a Sarge system. It required rebooting and was immediately
 unbootable -- ON SARGE!!! This is the very stuff I am using stable
 to avoid!

 I lost a day tracking it down and finally found that when a kernel
 image is updated, update-grub is run. Normally when apt/dpkg or
 whatever part of apt actually upgrades a program and needs to update
 a config file, it gives you a choice of updating or sticking with the
 old file, or, at the very least, gives you a prompt and warns you of
 the change. However, when a kernel image is updated, it does not do
 ANY of these things. It doesn't warn you to back up the
 /boot/grub/menu.lst file, it doesn't back it up itself, and it does
 not, in any way, let you know it is doing this.

 I know some users know every detail of their systems, but I can't do
 that. I have a business to run and I started using Debian Stable
 because it is supposed to not mess with things when it upgrades. I
 could not find anything warning me of this. It turns out there is
 documentation in updategrub's man file that I have since used to make
 sure the options I've put in the list of boot kernels is kept, but
 through testing, I've seen updategrub will wipe out all entries for
 other kernels not the current root partition (and this happens
 whenever apt upgrades the kernel image).

 Considering that the intent of stable is to make it so reliable one
 can upgrade and count on the system continuing to work well, I cannot
 see how this lack of warning (and not making a backup) as anything
 other than a serious bug. It could be easily fixed by prompting the
 user with a warning menu.lst is about to be overwritten, so there's
 time to back it up. Even better the standard prompt for whether or
 not to overwrite a config file would be nice, since it would let the
 user decide to update menu.lst or not (or maybe back it up).

 Is this not a bug? Was I just supposed to somehow know that out of
 all the packages out there, this was a specific behavior in upgrading
 the kernel? It makes me wonder how many other exceptions are out
 there that I don't know about that could crash my system next time I
 upgrade.

 Do others feel a prompt would be appropriate in this case? I'd like
 to hear feedback before I submit it as a bug, since there may be some
 good reasons for doing this, however, I cannot imagine a single good
 reason for overwriting a file this important without at least telling
 the user/admin that it is happening.

 Hal



A couple of thoughts come to mind. I don't kow if they will help you.

1. Use

aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade

instead of aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. This will deal 
intelligently with dependendies.


2. I have always found apt-get totally reliable during upgrade. I have 
had a couple of frights using Synaptic or Aptitude for upgrades.



I also had a similar experience to yours when I upgraded to Etch and 
then installed a new linux-image (replacement for kernel-image in Etch). 
I could not boot normally, but I could boot from Grub in recovery mode 
(run level 1). After supplying the root password for maintenance, I retried


apt-get dist-upgrade

This failed at first, but suggested

apt-get -f install

This did the trick. I have a feeling that one or more of the services 
running via /etc/init.d were somehow affecting apt. If you have a number 
of extra daemons running, you could try stopping them before upgrading. 
I have a notebook that upgraded to Etch from a fresh Sarge install with 
no problem at all.



Hth,
Chris.


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On 2/24/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> thunderbird

Apparently the following extension allows bouncing using Thunderbird -
http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/

Haven't looked into it any further though so don't know if it will
work in all circumstances or for this particular purpose.

Re: Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[Chris Lale]

Arnau Rebassa Villalonga wrote:


Hi all,

  I've installed a new Dell poweredge 850 server with SCSCI disks 
formated as ext3 from a netinstall, it run smoothly and installed the 
2.6.12-i386 kernel image. After the aptitude dist-upgrade, I upgraded 
the linux-image to the 2.6.15-686 and also to 2.6.15-686-smp (having 
with both the same result) and when I reboot the machine it displays 
the following errors:


  Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

and a busybox shell appears. Anybody knows how to fix this?

Regards


Try run level 1. I had a problem upgrading from kernel-image-2.6.8 to 
linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 in Etch. The image was only half installed. I 
could not boot normally, but I could boot from Grub in recovery mode 
(run level 1). After supplying the root password for maintenance, I 
tried to install again. apt-get failed at first, but suggested


apt-get -f install

This did the trick. (I have found that apt-get will work even when 
aptitude occasionally gets confused - perhaps that helped too.)


Hth,
Chris.


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Re: 2.6.15 boot problems

[John Schmidt]

On Friday 24 February 2006 08:25, Bradley Alexander wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 22:29 -0700, John Schmidt wrote:
> > Yes, as I understand it reiserfs has some attribute issues with 2.6.15. 
> > I heard that it will be fixed in 2.6.16.  Someone has posted a work
> > around but it may be hard to do with reiserfs on /.
>
> Is this specific to AMD? I have been running 2.6.15 on my 2GHz Pentium-M
> equipped HP laptop for almost a month with no problems.
>
> --b

I don't know if it is architecture specific or not.

I have seen this on an xeon box with reiserfs on /.  

System worked fine with a 2.6.8 kernel.

Installed the linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp and rebooted.  System hung trying 
to start syslogd.  After some time, system continued to boot but no 
syslogging.  I got weird error messages having to do with uid/gid when doing 
things with sudo.  

At about the same time, I saw a message on debian-user (I believe) having to 
do with attribute errors with reiserfs and 2.6.15.  A work around was 
proposed and subsequent follow-ups suggested that errors still persisted.  I 
didn't pursue the solution, since the machine is located 1000 miles from me 
and the machine would still work fine with 2.6.8.  I also heard that a fix 
was in the 2.6.16.  I decided the easiest course of action was to wait until 
2.6.16 and try again.

 John


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[Alex Nordstrom]

Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote:
> Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
> It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.

Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate.

> - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The way to seemingly achieve the same effect in KMail 1.9.1 is to use 
Message->Forward->Redirect (shortcut: E). I believe older versions had 
the same feature under Message->Bounce (which seems to be supported by 
an obviously outdated section of the manual). I'm sure someone will 
point out if this feature does not meet the requirements of this 
application.

Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily "unsubscribe" 
messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction 
added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're 
certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering 
everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false 
bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies?

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Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 24 February 2006 11:51, Chris Lale wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >  I posted earlier this week about some problems I had after doing:
> >
> >  aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
> >
> >  on a Sarge system. It required rebooting and was immediately
> >  unbootable -- ON SARGE!!! This is the very stuff I am using stable
> >  to avoid!
> >
> >  I lost a day tracking it down and finally found that when a kernel
> >  image is updated, update-grub is run. Normally when apt/dpkg or
> >  whatever part of apt actually upgrades a program and needs to
> > update a config file, it gives you a choice of updating or sticking
> > with the old file, or, at the very least, gives you a prompt and
> > warns you of the change. However, when a kernel image is updated,
> > it does not do ANY of these things. It doesn't warn you to back up
> > the
> >  /boot/grub/menu.lst file, it doesn't back it up itself, and it
> > does not, in any way, let you know it is doing this.
> >
> >  I know some users know every detail of their systems, but I can't
> > do that. I have a business to run and I started using Debian Stable
> > because it is supposed to not mess with things when it upgrades. I
> > could not find anything warning me of this. It turns out there is
> > documentation in updategrub's man file that I have since used to
> > make sure the options I've put in the list of boot kernels is kept,
> > but through testing, I've seen updategrub will wipe out all entries
> > for other kernels not the current root partition (and this happens
> > whenever apt upgrades the kernel image).
> >
> >  Considering that the intent of stable is to make it so reliable
> > one can upgrade and count on the system continuing to work well, I
> > cannot see how this lack of warning (and not making a backup) as
> > anything other than a serious bug. It could be easily fixed by
> > prompting the user with a warning menu.lst is about to be
> > overwritten, so there's time to back it up. Even better the
> > standard prompt for whether or not to overwrite a config file would
> > be nice, since it would let the user decide to update menu.lst or
> > not (or maybe back it up).
> >
> >  Is this not a bug? Was I just supposed to somehow know that out of
> >  all the packages out there, this was a specific behavior in
> > upgrading the kernel? It makes me wonder how many other exceptions
> > are out there that I don't know about that could crash my system
> > next time I upgrade.
> >
> >  Do others feel a prompt would be appropriate in this case? I'd
> > like to hear feedback before I submit it as a bug, since there may
> > be some good reasons for doing this, however, I cannot imagine a
> > single good reason for overwriting a file this important without at
> > least telling the user/admin that it is happening.
> >
> >  Hal
>
> A couple of thoughts come to mind. I don't kow if they will help you.
>
> 1. Use
>
> aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
>
> instead of aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. This will deal
> intelligently with dependendies.

My understanding (and what the man page says)  that dist-upgrade is more 
aggressive.  Is that wrong?

> 2. I have always found apt-get totally reliable during upgrade. I
> have had a couple of frights using Synaptic or Aptitude for upgrades.

I was using apt, but I've heard that the "official" and preferred way is 
aptitude and that they handle some issues differently, so the point is 
to pick one and stick with it.  Is this still the case?

>
> I also had a similar experience to yours when I upgraded to Etch and
> then installed a new linux-image (replacement for kernel-image in
> Etch). I could not boot normally, but I could boot from Grub in
> recovery mode (run level 1). After supplying the root password for
> maintenance, I retried
>
> apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> This failed at first, but suggested
>
> apt-get -f install
>
> This did the trick. I have a feeling that one or more of the services
> running via /etc/init.d were somehow affecting apt. If you have a
> number of extra daemons running, you could try stopping them before
> upgrading. I have a notebook that upgraded to Etch from a fresh Sarge
> install with no problem at all.

I could understand that causing some issues, but this was a Sarge 
upgrade, ONLY for bug fixes and security issues.  Shouldn't that have 
been smooth?

I'm still confused as to why /boot/grub/menu.lst is re-written without 
any prompting or warning when all other config files that may be 
changed cause the user to be prompted for input.

Hal


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audio equalizer for debian?

[Bruno Buys]

Does anybody know of a good audio equalizer program for alsa? I'm 
apt-cache searching, but all I get are plugins for xmms (using sarge). 
I'd like a real time, generic graphic equalizer.

Thanks!


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Re: New user

[Todd Weaver]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:24:19AM -0600, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> Hello. I just joined this mailing list, and I hope it will be beneficial to
> me.

Welcome.

> My first question is:
> 
> I'm having some trouble getting ACPI working. It must be disabled in GRUB's
> boot params or else the boot goes to 'Uncompressing Linux. OK' and
> freezes up. The only way to do anything is hold in the power button until it
> shuts down, then restarting.

Add "acpi=off" to your boot params so you can get a working system, then I'd 
read:

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/ACPI-HOWTO/

Without knowing more, it *may* be a hardware conflict causing a acpi enabled 
kernel to lock up.

Todd.


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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Alex Nordstrom wrote:
> Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily "unsubscribe" 
> messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction 
> added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're 
> certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering 
> everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false 
> bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies?

All of those are SPAM, if you go by the "It is utterly useless crap *AND*
it is off-topic *AND* it was generated by layer 8 malfunction or by viruses
or by autoresponders *AND* it did not spawn a thread".

After all, if people started replying to a SPAM and it made a thread out of
it, no matter how off-topic for the list that thread is, the entire thing
(spam included) it is probably best left alone in the archives.

PS: layer 8: refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model, "Humor".

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: etch vs sarge

[Chris Lale]

Mark Grieveson wrote:


Hi List!

I run services on sarge in two major parts:
- qmail,clamav,spop3, ssmtp,rblsmtp and
- apache2,mysql 4.1,php4

I'm considering to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch(testing)
I would like to use mysql5 and php5 if it's not a to big deal to change.

My question is:
Can the dist-upgade do it for me or the chaos is waiting for me?
I know mysql would like a full export/import.
Is there anithing else?
Is teher someone with experinece on it?


Thanks
   Akos 




I can't really comment on the specifics of mysql or php, but my trial 
of etch via an upgrade, and then via a fresh install, was disastrous.  
Besides a prettier gdm, I loathed everything about it, and am now 
happily back with Sarge.  Etch is anally retentive with the 
repositories, it doesn't have Webmin, strange conflicts with the 
kernel image and udev. . . .
Unless you absolutely must have the latest, I'd recommend sticking 
with Sarge.


I have Webmin (1.180-3) in Etch. Udev (0.084-5) and linux-image-2.6.15 
needed apt-get -f install but seem to work fine once installed.


Chris.


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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

[Gregory Seidman]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:38:00AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
} Hi spam-killers,
} Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
} It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.

Sure, no problem. Now, given that I archive my spam (yes, spamassassin is
trained on everything that has come in, but what if I want to change to
some other system that needs training later? disk space is cheap...),
should I go through it and find all the spam that passed through
debian-user and bounce it? I can. It's easy. I just have to do it a little
carefully so that my ISP doesn't think *I'm* sending spam.

} Cheers,
} Kev
--Greg

} - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
} Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:03:31 -0600
} To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
} 
} Hallo! Du (Cord Beermann) hast geschrieben:
} 
} >The idea of having a reporting address is good, i'll will announce one
} >in the next days and then lets see what happens.
} 
} ok, here it is: (alpha release, lets see what happens and if it is
} useful.)
} 
} If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to
} [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
} 
} * Incomplete mails[2] will be discarded,
} * mis-use (report of non-spam, mass-reporting of one spam, automatic
}forwarding based on some automatism (scores of Anti-Spamtools or
}something)) will be blacklisted.
} 
} The reported mails will be used to enhance our Spamassassin and
} procmail-filters. The mails will be stored non-public.
} 
} [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in
}   thunderbird, or M$ LookOut. If it possible someone may explain
}   it in a follow up. Forwarding is NOT ok at this time, those
}   mails will be discarded.
} 
} [2] I want complete mails. this means: ALL Headers and the body. If
}   your system adds its own headers, or overwrites our
}   Spamassassin-Headers it's ok, 
} 
} Cord
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Re: Printer problems from a newbie

[Chris Lale]

Clyde Wilson wrote:


I have installed Debian 3.1 r1 and I am not able to
print anything.  I've used CUPS, Kprinter, and others,
read the howto's and the mailing list, but nothing
seems to work.  My printer, Epson Stylus C68, seems to
install, but when I print something it just
disappears.  It prints just fine under Knoppix 4.0.2
but only when installed to harddisk.  Any suggestions
would be appreciated!
 

Have a look at 
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Setting_up_a_parallel_printer_using_CUPS


Chris.


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bug hub 1-0:1.0 at start

[mjv.perdriau]

BUG after 
installation
 
At first 
starting of debian 3.1 Sarge kernel 2.6
After 
installation
All runs 
normally but no use possible
A message 
fill in the screen :
« hub 1-0 :1.0 
over-current change on port 2 »
« hub 1-0 :1.0 
over-current change on port 2 »
……etc…..
 
the 
restart signal is the only thing to do
 
first 
installation done with a connected multi-usb hub on the 
lonely
usb port 
of my Compaq Notebook 100.
Second 
installation realized without the multi-usb hub.
The 
problem is the same.
 
Trade of 
the hub : Belkin
 
 
**
 
What may 
be the origine ?
 
Error on 
the realese debian 3.1 rc3 Sarge i386 given with
“Cahiers 
de l’admin” of Raphaël Hertzog Eyrolles ed. French 
guide.
 
Modem 56k 
inside or other material is unknown
 
 
 
**
 
Nothing 
connected unless hub usb at first installation and 
a mouse on 
usb at the second one.
 
 
Thank you 
for your attention and help :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Re: Configuring inittab

[Digby Tarvin]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 02:50:34PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello Tarvin,
> 
> Am 2006-02-19 18:02:20, schrieb Digby Tarvin:
> > Debian by default does not make good use (IMHO) of the runlevel mechanism.
> 
> Oh yes, it does.

Actually I was expressing my opinion (that is what IMHO means), so
you can't really correct me and say that my opinion is something else...

Of course you are free to say what your opinion is...

> Debian give you the freedom to configure your rcX.d HOW YOU WANT!

Of course - that is what I indicated in the posting.

The earlier statement referred to the default configuration (which
is a characteristic of Depian), not the flexibility of the mechanism
which - which is common go most Linux distros and Unix derivatives
in general.

I believed the default configuration (all multi user levels th e same)
doesn't make good use of a facility that can define different service
profiles.

Nothing would be lost in defaulting to the traditional runlevel
choices, if the default runlevel was the one which is equivelent
to all of 2-5 currently. And it would provide extra functionality
for those that don't want to define their own initially.

> > It bundles all multi-user stuff into runlevel 2 and then leaves 3-5
> undefined
> 
> It is defined like the rc2.d.

Which definition are you referring to?

Martin Krafft's "The Debian System" lists runlevel's 3-5 as 'unused'.
Other documents list them as the same as 2. I know that Sarge installs
with them all the same as 2 - but I havn't seen a 'definition' that
would lead me to assume that this can safely be relied on, even if it
was in any way useful..

> > The traditional usage I was familiar with was
> > 2 - multi-user, no network
> 
> No Network is stupid by default.

That is rather a sweeping statement to make without any supporting
justification. (and nobody said it had to be the default runlevel)

I wasn't actually saying that it was what I wanted, merely the 'standard'
used by other more traditional flavours of Unix. In any case, having it as
a choice seemed better than having no choice at all as the default
configuration.

For what it is worth, I think it makes a lot of sense on a laptop which
is sometimes booted in an environment where there is no network. Why sit
around while your battery is used to start up NFS servers and SSH daemons
that will never be used, and waiting for DNS lookups timeout, because you
want to edit a file on a train?

What I personally would prefer is a runlevel that includes X but no
other networking for mobile non-networked use, a runlevel that is
appropriate for use behind a firewall (XDMCP support, telnet etc)
and one that is suitable for direct Internet connections (just SSHD,
firewall and client services).

> > Anyway, the infrastructure is there, and you can fix it if you
> > want. I am sure there was a good reason for the change, but I
> > sure as hell can't think what it would have been...
> 
> Debian does not force users.  -  With Debian you have the
> choice or use another Distribution if you do not agree...
> 
> This is 100% freedom.

I am 100% aware of this, but it has nothing to do with
appropriatness or otherwise of the default configuration
provided.

The number of options on any Unix derived systems are vast, and
appropriate defaults should aim to provide as much functionality
as possible to the widest ranger of users as far as can be done
without unreasonably compromising security - so that individual
requirements can be satisfied with as few customizations required
as possible.

As far as I can see, the change to the default runlevel configuration
in Debian removes functionality from the default configuration with
no identifiable gain.


> > (maybe to simplify package management for packages that involve
> > additions to system startup - so they wouldn't need to ask
> > about with runlevel things get added to??)
> 
> Provide a patch!  -  The BTS is open for it.

That last statement was speculation about a possible reason for
the change to default runlevels in Debian - not a request or
suggestion for a change.

Or were you referring to something else?

Regards,
DigbyT
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http://www.digbyt.com


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Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Justin Guerin]

On Thursday 23 February 2006 18:23, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I posted earlier this week about some problems I had after doing:
>
> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
>
> on a Sarge system.  It required rebooting and was immediately unbootable
> -- ON SARGE!!!  This is the very stuff I am using stable to avoid!
>
> I lost a day tracking it down and finally found that when a kernel image
> is updated, update-grub is run.  Normally when apt/dpkg or whatever part
> of apt actually upgrades a program and needs to update a config file, it
> gives you a choice of updating or sticking with the old file, or, at the
> very least, gives you a prompt and warns you of the change.  However,
> when a kernel image is updated, it does not do ANY of these things.  It
> doesn't warn you to back up the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, it doesn't back
> it up itself, and it does not, in any way, let you know it is doing this.
>
You aren't given a choice of keeping your old grub config file, because 
without an update, you can't boot the new kernel.  Well, OK, you can, if 
you manually create the entry at the grub prompt, but you know what I mean.

You aren't warned about update-grub removing an entry for a kernel, because 
this is only done when you remove a kernel.  If you've removed a kernel, 
but don't remove its grub entry, then you've got an entry that you can't 
use to boot.  You don't want that.

> I know some users know every detail of their systems, but I can't do
> that.  I have a business to run and I started using Debian Stable because
> it is supposed to not mess with things when it upgrades.  I could not
> find anything warning me of this.  It turns out there is documentation in
> updategrub's man file that I have since used to make sure the options
> I've put in the list of boot kernels is kept, but through testing, I've
> seen updategrub will wipe out all entries for other kernels not the
> current root partition (and this happens whenever apt upgrades the kernel
> image).
>
I'm not sure of your exact situation, but my experience with update-grub is 
that it only creates or keeps entries for kernels it thinks are installed.  
I don't know whether or not update-grub depends on apt's database, or if it 
just searches for kernels, but the source would surely tell you.

> Considering that the intent of stable is to make it so reliable one can
> upgrade and count on the system continuing to work well, I cannot see how
> this lack of warning (and not making a backup) as anything other than a
> serious bug.  It could be easily fixed by prompting the user with a
> warning menu.lst is about to be overwritten, so there's time to back it
> up.  Even better the standard prompt for whether or not to overwrite a
> config file would be nice, since it would let the user decide to update
> menu.lst or not (or maybe back it up).
>
> Is this not a bug?  Was I just supposed to somehow know that out of all
> the packages out there, this was a specific behavior in upgrading the
> kernel?  It makes me wonder how many other exceptions are out there that
> I don't know about that could crash my system next time I upgrade.
>
> Do others feel a prompt would be appropriate in this case?  I'd like to
> hear feedback before I submit it as a bug, since there may be some good
> reasons for doing this, however, I cannot imagine a single good reason
> for overwriting a file this important without at least telling the
> user/admin that it is happening.
>
> Hal

What kernel package updated?  If your kernel is installed because of a 
package like linux-image-2.6-686, then I might understand what happened 
here.  That is a dependency package.  When you install that package with 
aptitude, it pulls in the relevant kernel as a dependency, and marks it as 
being automatically installed to satisfy dependencies.  When that package 
updates, and points to a new kernel package, then aptitude removes the old 
kernel, since it was only installed to satisfy a dependency, and installs 
the new package.  In this case, your working kernel will be removed (along 
with it's grub entry), and the new kernel will be put in its place.  If 
something fails in this operation, you would get an unbootable system (if 
that was your only kernel).

The solution is to mark the kernel your using as manually installed, so that 
it is not removed when it is no longer needed by any other package.

In my experience, aptitude doesn't remove kernels that are old unless I 
specifically request it, but that's because I manually select which kernel 
I want, and I don't use the metapackage.  I always end up with grub entries 
for each kernel that's installed, with the newest being the default, but 
the older ones still available.

Now, if you're not using a metapackage for your kernel, but specifically 
requested a specific version, and aptitude deleted it without warning, 
there's some sort of bug.  Note, however, that apt-get doesn't keep track 
of manually and automatically installed packages

Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Justin Guerin]

On Friday 24 February 2006 11:51, Chris Lale wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
[snip]
> > A couple of thoughts come to mind. I don't kow if they will help you.
> >
> > 1. Use
> >
> > aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
> >
> > instead of aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. This will deal
> > intelligently with dependendies.
>
> My understanding (and what the man page says)  that dist-upgrade is more
> aggressive.  Is that wrong?
>
upgrade will only install newer versions of packages.  If package foo 
changes its dependencies from bar to barc2a (for a C++ ABI transition, for 
example), then upgrade will not attempt to upgrade package foo.  
Dist-upgrade is allowed to install new packages and remove old (hopefully 
only obsolete) ones.  So dist-upgrade will upgrade foo, install barc2a, and 
remove bar.

> > 2. I have always found apt-get totally reliable during upgrade. I
> > have had a couple of frights using Synaptic or Aptitude for upgrades.
>
> I was using apt, but I've heard that the "official" and preferred way is
> aptitude and that they handle some issues differently, so the point is
> to pick one and stick with it.  Is this still the case?

Aptitude and apt-get do indeed handle dependencies differently.  Well, they 
have a different set of logic to try to resolve dependencies.  Sometimes 
that leads to different results, sometimes that leads to more pain doing a 
specific circular upgrade with one versus the other.  People's experiences 
and impressions vary wildly.

Hope that helps,
Justin

Where is linux-wlan-ng?

[Branden Faulls]

I recently downgraded a laptop of mine (Thinkpad X24) from an
out of date Testing (sarge when it was in testing) distribution to
Stable (sarge as of Feb 2006).  

To get the pinning to work as I downgraded, I had to remove linux-wlan-ng. 
Unsurprisingly, now the built-in prism2 based wireless doesn't work
and I can't seem to find linux-wlan-ng in the apt repositories. 

* Has this become unavailable?
* Is it better to shift up to a 2.6.[n] kernel and use the built in
prism drivers? If so are they built in or do I need to compile a
 custom kernel?
* Is there a new package to handle this?

Many Thanks,

Branden 
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Re: DVD ISO files [SOLVED]

[Travis Crook]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:00:17 -0700
Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I'm new to the list and to Debian itself (but not necessarily
> new to linux). I would like to install it and try it out, but I have
> some questions.  I have downloaded two files (DVD iso images) that are
> named: 
> debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.tmp and
> debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso.tmp
> 
> They are each 2.0GB.  On the download page it lists them as being 4.1
> and 4.3GB in size.  Which size is right?  Also, they end in .tmp.  Is
> that just a temporary extension?  Can I drop it and burn the iso?  Do
> I have the right files?  I downloaded them from 
> http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386-dvd
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Well, I downloaded the first CD-ROM and went with that.  Worked like a
charm!  Debian is looking good so far!

Thanks all!
> 
> -- 
> Travis Crook
> Visions Beyond
> www.VisionsBeyond.com
> 208-478-7836
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Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 24 February 2006 13:24, Justin Guerin wrote:
> On Thursday 23 February 2006 18:23, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > I posted earlier this week about some problems I had after doing:
> >
> > aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
> >
> > on a Sarge system.  It required rebooting and was immediately
> > unbootable -- ON SARGE!!!  This is the very stuff I am using stable
> > to avoid!
> >
> > I lost a day tracking it down and finally found that when a kernel
> > image is updated, update-grub is run.  Normally when apt/dpkg or
> > whatever part of apt actually upgrades a program and needs to
> > update a config file, it gives you a choice of updating or sticking
> > with the old file, or, at the very least, gives you a prompt and
> > warns you of the change.  However, when a kernel image is updated,
> > it does not do ANY of these things.  It doesn't warn you to back up
> > the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, it doesn't back it up itself, and it
> > does not, in any way, let you know it is doing this.
>
> You aren't given a choice of keeping your old grub config file,
> because without an update, you can't boot the new kernel.  Well, OK,
> you can, if you manually create the entry at the grub prompt, but you
> know what I mean.

In this case, it's the same kernel image (again, I'm only upgrading 
Sarge for security and bug fixes), so menu.lst did not need to be 
changed to load a patched version of the same kernel version.

> You aren't warned about update-grub removing an entry for a kernel,
> because this is only done when you remove a kernel.  If you've
> removed a kernel, but don't remove its grub entry, then you've got an
> entry that you can't use to boot.  You don't want that.

It didn't just remove an entry.  Update-grub completely overwrites the 
file so any entries for kernels on other partitions are gone.

Picture this: you have 5 partitions, each with a different OS or 
different Linux distros and different kernel versions on them.  One 
partition is your production partition, the one that HAS to always 
work, so you use Sarge for it because upgrades/updates in Sarge are not 
supposed to mess anything up.  Do an "aptitude update && aptitude 
upgrade" on your Sarge partition and, at least on my recent one, 
aptitude finds a updated version of the kernel image you're using, so 
it downloads and installs it.  Now, since it's Sarge, so you're not 
adding anything in an upgrade, and it is only replacing the same kernel 
image.  That means the same entry in menu.lst will work for the 
replacement kernel (same is true if only modules are upgraded).

Menu.lst is replaced anyway, which wipes out the entries for kernels and 
OSes on the other 4 partitions and any custom options for that 
particular kernel as well as custom options for any other kernels on 
that partition.

Since this happened, I found that it is possible, in menu.lst, to 
specify the default kernel options that are used and a few other 
features so update-grub will use the config options I need when it 
updates menu.lst, so (I think) I am protected on that for now.

The issue is that one has to FIND the additional options to fix the 
situation and prevent a change that keeps your system from booting.  
There is nothing, anywhere, to alert a sys admin that this will happen 
and must be taken into account.

> > I know some users know every detail of their systems, but I can't
> > do that.  I have a business to run and I started using Debian
> > Stable because it is supposed to not mess with things when it
> > upgrades.  I could not find anything warning me of this.  It turns
> > out there is documentation in updategrub's man file that I have
> > since used to make sure the options I've put in the list of boot
> > kernels is kept, but through testing, I've seen updategrub will
> > wipe out all entries for other kernels not the current root
> > partition (and this happens whenever apt upgrades the kernel
> > image).
>
> I'm not sure of your exact situation, but my experience with
> update-grub is that it only creates or keeps entries for kernels it
> thinks are installed. 

That's what I've found -- and only kernels on the current partition.  It 
has little intelligence or ability to find kernels on other partitions 
or to even scan the current list of entries and copy them (even copy 
them commented out) into the new version.

> I don't know whether or not update-grub depends 
> on apt's database, or if it just searches for kernels, but the source
> would surely tell you.

It seems to just search for kernels on the current boot or system 
partition.

> > Considering that the intent of stable is to make it so reliable one
> > can upgrade and count on the system continuing to work well, I
> > cannot see how this lack of warning (and not making a backup) as
> > anything other than a serious bug.  It could be easily fixed by
> > prompting the user with a warning menu.lst is about to be
> > overwritten, so there's time to back it up.  Even better the
> > sta

Re: proxy for APT

[Oğuz Yarımtepe]

Or 
$cd
$pico .bashrc

and add these lines:

http_proxy=http://some.ip.number:port
export http_proxy

logout from konsole and open it. apt-get update will work.


Cum 24 Şub 2006 01:13 tarihinde, Christoph Nenning şunları yazmıştı: 
> Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 14:24 schrieb Deephay:
> > Greetings all,
> >
> >   I want to know that if I can set a proxy for the APT utilities such as
> > apt-get? thx!
> >
> > Deephay
>
> Hi,
> you may have a look at apt-proxy
>
> regards

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Re: Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[Arnau]

Hi all,

  I have tried all your suggestions and none of them worked. Even I 
have  dowloaded the latest unstable installer from debian.org, net 
install and normal installer, and I reinstalled again from scratch the 
result is the same as when I upgrade the kernel:


  Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

  No idea about what else to do...

Regards
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snapshot?

[cody chamberlain]

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to snapshot.debian.net? I have
been trying to get some older ipw2200 source and I can't connect to
their repository. I haven't been able to find any news on other debian
sites about. Whats the story?


Cody


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Re: Error rebooting after upgrade from 2.6.12-i36 to 2.6.15-i686

[John Schmidt]

On Friday 24 February 2006 04:37, Arnau Rebassa Villalonga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>I've installed a new Dell poweredge 850 server with SCSCI disks
> formated as ext3 from a netinstall, it run smoothly and installed the
> 2.6.12-i386 kernel image. After the aptitude dist-upgrade, I upgraded
> the linux-image to the 2.6.15-686 and also to 2.6.15-686-smp (having
> with both the same result) and when I reboot the machine it displays the
> following errors:
>
>Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
>
>/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
>
> and a busybox shell appears. Anybody knows how to fix this?
>
> Regards
> --
> Arnau


Try this:

1.  Have the latest udev in unstable
2.  Have the latest grub in unstable (assume you are using grub).
3.  Boot into 2.6.12 kernel and then do this:
dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-686

4.  Try and boot into linux-image.2.6.15

John


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cleaning up audio recording

[John Schmidt]

Hi,

I have managed to transfer some tape recordings to my computer.  The 
recordings are from a seminar speaker.  There is a great deal of noise on the 
recordings both from the audio equipment and from general background noise.  
Are there any good packages out there that would allow me to clean up the 
signal?  

I used the KRec tool in KDE to transfer the audio.  I was looking at the 
artsbuilder routines and it appears like you can do some signal processing 
with this tool.

I am not looking to make it perfect by any means, just clean up the sound, 
take out the hiss, and try to preserve the voice as much as possible.

Thanks for any pointers.

John


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Re: Why does aptitude do this?

[Christian Pernegger]

> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
>   amor eyesapplet fifteenapplet kdetoys kmoon kodo kteatime ktux kweather
>   kworldclock xmms

[...]

IMHO aptitude suffers from two grave design bugs:

1) it's resolver uses a dist-upgrade strategy,
thus [U] (upgrade all) will happily mark a boatload of packages for
removal if that means it can upgrade a single package more. This
situation occurs frequently on testing and unstable, during all kinds
of transitions or updates of larger package sets (X, gnome, kde, ...)

Yes, one can and should always check what it's doing, but finding the
offending package (to hold it until it can be cleanly upgraded) can be
a pain. Ideally it should only upgrade packages and (maybe) install
new ones if there are new dependencies, never remove an installed
package without further user intervention. (apt-get, dselect and
synaptic work like that.)

2a) its great feature for marking explicitly and automatically
installed packages doesn't play nice with other managers.

It should never mark stuff installed by other tools as 'auto'. Either
assume them all to be manual, or present a dialog at startup, along
the lines of: "These packages have been installed in my absence,
please review the provided list and mark 'manual' as needed."

2b) The auto/manual functionality and the new resolver should be in a
backend so all package managers can use it.

Maybe the resolver could go into apt-get and dpkg get a new
"--mark-auto" switch. All package state should definitely go in one
location, too. As it is, aptitude does its own thing in
/var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates.

The new tag support is great, don't know if that's an aptitude-ism or
if all package managers will / can be updated to take advantage. (I
miss the default dselect view sorted by package importance, though.)

> Consequently, I am now staying away from that GUI and am running it from the 
> CL.

IIRC I bug reported some of this a while ago, but the maintainer found
nothing wrong with it so who am I to complain. As long as apt-get /
dselect stay I'm happy :) Going through cruft with deborphan /
debfoster is less work for me than dealing with aptitude.
I just wish it weren't pushed as the default package manager in new installs.

C.

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> Cheers,
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Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that can do
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Re: New install and newbie questions

[Chris Lale]

Charles wrote:

I've just downloaded and installed the "sarge" distribution on a 
computer I use for a test bed.  Since I'm used to hosing this box and 
reinstalling to learn more, most of the hardware present is fairly 
generic and well supported across both Linux and Windows.
 
So far, I have network connectivity and throughput on my DSL router 
for broadband access.  I have a basic load of applications installed.  
Mozilla works fine, so the desktop, GUI, and network connectivity are OK.
 
The character-based installation threw me for a loop, and I have 
rather a few more questions based on previous, now false, assumptions.
 
1)  Is there a command line or series of command lines that will 
update the fresh installation with all outstanding security updates?  
I've become accustomed to using urpmi, and this is different.  What I 
would llike to do is issue these lines to insure I have an up-to-date 
system.
 
2)  Same as #1, but for bug fixes on installed packages.
 
3)  What can I do with the 14 CD's and two update CD's in order to 
integrate them into the system?  The default GUI is going to be set to 
KDE, and KDE has kpackage which I remember from previous distributions 
and which also recognizes the Debian format.  My eventual interest is 
in being able to install and remove packages on the fly, and I 
understand the 14 CD's comprise all the software available and 
specifically modified for Debian.
 
4)  Is there an online resource that will start walking me through the 
differences between Debian and, say, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, or other 
distributions?


You may find http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Articles useful when you 
are starting out.


Chris.


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Re: cleaning up audio recording

[Travis Crook]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:27:41 -0700
John Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have managed to transfer some tape recordings to my computer.  The 
> recordings are from a seminar speaker.  There is a great deal of
> noise on the recordings both from the audio equipment and from
> general background noise. Are there any good packages out there that
> would allow me to clean up the signal?  

I have done this with several tapes using Audacity.  It's a great
little program.
> 
> I used the KRec tool in KDE to transfer the audio.  I was looking at
> the artsbuilder routines and it appears like you can do some signal
> processing with this tool.

I don't know what format KRec records into so opening the files into
Audacity may cause some issues.
> 
> I am not looking to make it perfect by any means, just clean up the
> sound, take out the hiss, and try to preserve the voice as much as
> possible.

I got mine very close to crystal clear, but it also has a lot to do
with the original.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers.
> 

No problem!
> John
> 
> 

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konqueror and eml

[Enrique Morfin]

Hi!

I have never tried eml files before, but fi i tried to
open one in konqueror, it gives me a small erro window
with:

Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'mhtml'.

I'm using sid. With all updated.
Installed:

konqueror, konqueror-nsplugins, konq-plugins,
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins, kdeaddons.

kmail doesn't open the files. thunderbird does, but
can't get the attachments.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:27 +0800
Alex Nordstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily "unsubscribe" 
> messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line
> instruction added in caps to every message on the list considered
> spam? They're certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're
> bothering everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response
> junk, false bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and
> out-of-the-office replies?
> 
(copying the .sig and everything below it back in)
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> 
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Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail.
I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it
down.

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Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Justin Guerin]

On Friday 24 February 2006 12:07, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Friday 24 February 2006 13:24, Justin Guerin wrote:
> > On Thursday 23 February 2006 18:23, Hal Vaughan wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > You aren't given a choice of keeping your old grub config file,
> > because without an update, you can't boot the new kernel.  Well, OK,
> > you can, if you manually create the entry at the grub prompt, but you
> > know what I mean.
>
> In this case, it's the same kernel image (again, I'm only upgrading
> Sarge for security and bug fixes), so menu.lst did not need to be
> changed to load a patched version of the same kernel version.
>
You're right.  I wonder if that call is in there because LILO does need to 
be run in such a situation?

> > You aren't warned about update-grub removing an entry for a kernel,
> > because this is only done when you remove a kernel.  If you've
> > removed a kernel, but don't remove its grub entry, then you've got an
> > entry that you can't use to boot.  You don't want that.
>
> It didn't just remove an entry.  Update-grub completely overwrites the
> file so any entries for kernels on other partitions are gone.
>
> Picture this: you have 5 partitions, each with a different OS or
> different Linux distros and different kernel versions on them.  One
> partition is your production partition, the one that HAS to always
> work, so you use Sarge for it because upgrades/updates in Sarge are not
> supposed to mess anything up.  Do an "aptitude update && aptitude
> upgrade" on your Sarge partition and, at least on my recent one,
> aptitude finds a updated version of the kernel image you're using, so
> it downloads and installs it.  Now, since it's Sarge, so you're not
> adding anything in an upgrade, and it is only replacing the same kernel
> image.  That means the same entry in menu.lst will work for the
> replacement kernel (same is true if only modules are upgraded).
>
> Menu.lst is replaced anyway, which wipes out the entries for kernels and
> OSes on the other 4 partitions and any custom options for that
> particular kernel as well as custom options for any other kernels on
> that partition.
>
Now I understand your problem.  If those entries were outside of the
### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
then update-grub shouldn't have touched them, and you should file a bug.

However, if the entries for the other OSes and kernels on other partitions 
wasn't outside of those, then update-grub assumes it's supposed to manage 
them.  Still, I can see how you have to know something in order to avoid 
that mistake, and I agree with you: if you have to know something about how 
the program operates, then there should be some sort of warning.  At the 
very least, it should tell you what it plans to do and give you an 
opportunity to back out.

> Since this happened, I found that it is possible, in menu.lst, to
> specify the default kernel options that are used and a few other
> features so update-grub will use the config options I need when it
> updates menu.lst, so (I think) I am protected on that for now.
>
> The issue is that one has to FIND the additional options to fix the
> situation and prevent a change that keeps your system from booting.
> There is nothing, anywhere, to alert a sys admin that this will happen
> and must be taken into account.
>
Yes, I agree.  Do you think a dialog box is best?  Or is a comment within 
the menu.lst file sufficient?  Whatever you think is the right solution 
should be put in the bug report.

[snip]
> >
> > I'm not sure of your exact situation, but my experience with
> > update-grub is that it only creates or keeps entries for kernels it
> > thinks are installed.
>
> That's what I've found -- and only kernels on the current partition.  It
> has little intelligence or ability to find kernels on other partitions
> or to even scan the current list of entries and copy them (even copy
> them commented out) into the new version.
>
I believe update-grub should copy verbatim the config of kernels outside the 
automagic area.  If it's not, that's a bug.

I know grub doesn't scan other partitions for kernels.  I think that would 
be a wishlist item.  It's worth filing, though the developers of grub might 
think of that as being outside grub's scope.

[snip]
> > What kernel package updated?  If your kernel is installed because of
> > a package like linux-image-2.6-686, then I might understand what
> > happened here.
>
> kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, which includes the full version number, which
> is, I *think* not the same as 2.6.
>
Yes, it's a specific, full version number, not a metapackage.

> ...
>
> > So what kernel were you using, via what package, and what kernel did
> > you upgrade to, via what package, and did aptitude warn you it was
> > removing the older kernel?  You don't mention this, but I'd be
> > surprised if it did and you missed it.
>
> It wasn't a kernel upgrade.  I'm not sure why aptitude actually calls it
> an upgrade.  It was "apti

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[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail.
> I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it
> down.

Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg
support.

Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed).

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Re: Aptitude/Grub Problem -- Is this a bug?

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 24 February 2006 16:56, Justin Guerin wrote:
> On Friday 24 February 2006 12:07, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Friday 24 February 2006 13:24, Justin Guerin wrote:
> > > On Thursday 23 February 2006 18:23, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > You aren't given a choice of keeping your old grub config file,
> > > because without an update, you can't boot the new kernel.  Well,
> > > OK, you can, if you manually create the entry at the grub prompt,
> > > but you know what I mean.
> >
> > In this case, it's the same kernel image (again, I'm only upgrading
> > Sarge for security and bug fixes), so menu.lst did not need to be
> > changed to load a patched version of the same kernel version.
>
> You're right.  I wonder if that call is in there because LILO does
> need to be run in such a situation?

I just filed a bug report on it (#354243).  The guy seemed pretty 
anxious to close it and just dismissed it as a non-aptitude thing, 
saying I had set a kernel config file to do it, which I had not.  I 
think he was more interested in closing the bug then in dealing with 
the issue.  If anyone wants to include more on the bug report, please 
feel free.

> > > You aren't warned about update-grub removing an entry for a
> > > kernel, because this is only done when you remove a kernel.  If
> > > you've removed a kernel, but don't remove its grub entry, then
> > > you've got an entry that you can't use to boot.  You don't want
> > > that.
> >
> > It didn't just remove an entry.  Update-grub completely overwrites
> > the file so any entries for kernels on other partitions are gone.
> >
> > Picture this: you have 5 partitions, each with a different OS or
> > different Linux distros and different kernel versions on them.  One
> > partition is your production partition, the one that HAS to always
> > work, so you use Sarge for it because upgrades/updates in Sarge are
> > not supposed to mess anything up.  Do an "aptitude update &&
> > aptitude upgrade" on your Sarge partition and, at least on my
> > recent one, aptitude finds a updated version of the kernel image
> > you're using, so it downloads and installs it.  Now, since it's
> > Sarge, so you're not adding anything in an upgrade, and it is only
> > replacing the same kernel image.  That means the same entry in
> > menu.lst will work for the replacement kernel (same is true if only
> > modules are upgraded).
> >
> > Menu.lst is replaced anyway, which wipes out the entries for
> > kernels and OSes on the other 4 partitions and any custom options
> > for that particular kernel as well as custom options for any other
> > kernels on that partition.
>
> Now I understand your problem.  If those entries were outside of the
> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
> ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
> then update-grub shouldn't have touched them, and you should file a
> bug.

Okay.  That's easy and makes sense.  But there is still a problem, but 
may be more with grub.  I went through the man pages of grub and did a 
lot of research to figure out how to make the changes I needed.  Not 
once did I see this documented.  So there is basically a default 
behavior to overwrite the file, but any documentation on how to prevent 
changes from being overwritten is obscure.  This one incident has 
really led me to question the overall stability of Stable and wonder 
when another muck-up like this will happen because all the 
documentation warning about such a default behavior is obscure.

> However, if the entries for the other OSes and kernels on other
> partitions wasn't outside of those, then update-grub assumes it's
> supposed to manage them.  Still, I can see how you have to know
> something in order to avoid that mistake, and I agree with you: if
> you have to know something about how the program operates, then there
> should be some sort of warning.  At the very least, it should tell
> you what it plans to do and give you an opportunity to back out.

Bingo!  Thanks for saying what I was trying to say.  It's like putting a 
button your VCR to rewind the tape, and not including in the 
directions, "Oh, yeah, by the way, this fast auto-rewind will blank the 
tape as it rewinds," and making the button look okay on the VCR, with 
no warnings, and somehow expecting everyone to have read that one 
paragraph in the docs or to expect unreasonable and unlikely behavior 
from that button.

> > Since this happened, I found that it is possible, in menu.lst, to
> > specify the default kernel options that are used and a few other
> > features so update-grub will use the config options I need when it
> > updates menu.lst, so (I think) I am protected on that for now.
> >
> > The issue is that one has to FIND the additional options to fix the
> > situation and prevent a change that keeps your system from booting.
> > There is nothing, anywhere, to alert a sys admin that this will
> > happen and must be taken into account.
>
> Yes, I agree.  Do you think a dialog box is best?  Or is a comment
> w

Re: On rtorrent

[Mark Grieveson]

  Hi, Michael and others.

On Feb 23 2006, Michael M. wrote:
  
  
> Last time I checked, rtorrent was available only in Sid, and aptitude
> complained when I marked it for installation.

  
  
That's strange. I've been using a plain/vanilla etch system here (in
fact, I always track testing) and I *do* have rtorrent available here.

  
  
> I would like to try it though, as Bittornado is not so much to my
> liking.  I hope it moves to Etch soon.

  
  
Well, you may be surprised with the steep learning curve for rtorrent
(and its interface), but it is definitely worth learning, because of the
non-interpreted nature of the program and the fact that it consumes
*far* less resources than similar programs written in Python or Java.


Hope this helps, Rogério.

I suggest using qtorrent.  It works, and it's simple to use.  And hey,
"q" comes before "r"   :-) 




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UTF-8, Utf-8, or utf-8?

[Dan Jacobson]

For the locales stuff, should I use
zh_TW.UTF-8, zh_TW.Utf-8 or zh_TW.utf-8?
My guess is the latter, from locale -a.
Should I report bugs if I see mentioning of the others?
How about for web pages? charset=utf-8 like tidy or UTF-8 like Google?


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Re: apache config question - China IP's

[Kevin Coyner]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 01:13:42PM -0600, Jacob S wrote..
> > > 
> > >>> 221.226.124.109 - - [20/Feb/2006:16:17:10 -0500] "GET
> > >>> http://1-shops.com/prx.php?p=q1w2e3r4t5y6u7i8o9p0*a-b HTTP/1.1"
> > >>> 404 288 "http://www.google.com/intl/en-us/"; "Mozilla/4.0
> > >>> (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Crazy Browser 1.0.5)"
> > >>>
> > >>> So what is this?  They are not requesting pages that exist on my
> > >>> server, but pages on other domains.  My server gives the proper
> > >>> error code back - 404.
> > >>>
> > >> They're looking for open proxies. People that are lazy in
> > >> loading/configuring mod_proxy in apache can easily turn a
> > >> webserver into an open proxy. So they scan for one, similar to the
> > >> way we've all seen attempts at finding open smtp gateways or
> > >> easily crackable ssh passwords.

So what does the following mean?

85.145.108.215 - - [24/Feb/2006:19:11:28 -0500] "HEAD
http://www.sun.com/ HTTP/1.0" 200 0 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;
ICS)"

Since it has a 200 HTTP code, it would seem to me that the IP
85.145.108.215 successfully reached http://www.sun.com/ via this
server.  Am I missing something?  Note also that this has a HEAD
method instead of GET.  How is that different?

Please also note that I'm seeing multiple, repeated entries in
blocks like this:

64.27.4.15 - - [24/Feb/2006:19:09:50 -0500] "CONNECT
200.45.191.163:25 HTTP/1.0" 200 12617 "-" "-"

These repeat multiple times.  Are these successful proxy
connections? Or are these different?

Thanks again,
Kevin

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Setup script for XDM login screen

[Björn Lindström]

Where is the right place to put stuff that you want to run when
starting XDM now.

I used to have this in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup:

#!/bin/sh
xsetroot -solid dimgrey

but it's not working anymore with xdm-6.9.0.dfsg.1-4


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[SOLVED] Re: Basic help with HP5440 inkjet?

[jlquinn]

I eventually found a conflict between the printer and a logitech 
quickcam I also had plugged into the machine.  Once I removed the 
quickcam, the printer worked perfectly.


So, this still begs the question of why they conflict, but it's a 
problem I can put on the back burner for now.


Jerry Quinn


Jerry Quinn wrote:

Hi, all.

I bought an HP 5440 based on the recommendations of linuxprinting.org.  
So far  I've had no success getting the printer to work, though.  At the 
moment, I suspect something at the USB level.  This is on etch testing 
as of today.


When I plug the printer in, I see the following in kernel.log:

Feb 13 23:31:16 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3
Feb 13 23:31:19 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using 
uhci_hcd and address 4


When I try to create a cups printer queue for the HP, the only URI 
offered of type hp: is hp:/no_device_found, which isn't so useful and 
doesn't work, of course.


There's a tool called hp-probe which seems to be designed for locating 
printers.  When I run it with debug logging, I get the following:


smaug:~#  hp-probe --logging=debug -busb

 HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 0.9.7)
 Device Detection (Probe) Utility ver. 1.3

 Copyright (c) 2003-5 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP
 This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
 This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
 under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.

 [DEBUG]: Sending data on channel (3)
 [DEBUG]: 
'msg=probedevicesfiltered\nfilter=none\nbus=usb\nformat=cups\ntimeout=5\nttl=4\n' 


 [DEBUG]: Reading data on channel (3)
 [DEBUG]: 
'msg=probedevicesfilteredresult\nresult-code=0\nnum-devices=0\nencoding=none\nlength=0\ndata:\n' 


 [WARNING]: No devices found. If this isn't the result you are expecting,
 [WARNING]: check to make sure your devices are properly connected.
smaug:~#



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linux help (running apache web server)

[Wale Akintan]

Hello, Im a complete rookie in linux and I have just installed redhat 9.0. I am a totally new user. I downloaded some instructions on installing apache web server, and it seemed to go fine. I test started the web server with the /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start command and it started. pid 18089. the instructions says to go into the address bar http://localhost/  and see if i can get in to start editing. I keep getting - ' the connection was refused when attempting to contact local host'. I checked the proxy settings. I tried to telnet into the server- telnet localhost 18089.- connection refused. i tried telnet 127.0.0.1 18089 just in case it was a dns issue- still same thing. Im beat! I dont know what to do. I see you helped someone in my type of situation so i thought id try my luck.
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Forbidding a version of a package in debian

[Walt Mankowski]

I'm running debian testing.  I ran "aptitude dist-upgrade" yesterday
and it wants to install a version of libfreetype6 that I'm worried
will break my window manager (Window Maker).  I'd like to put that
version of libfreetype6 on hold until things get sorted out.  I read
through the aptitude man page and this looked like the proper way to
do it:

  aptitude forbid-version libfreetype6=2.1.10-1

When I run "aptitude show libfreetype6" it says that version is
forbidden:

  Forbidden version: 2.1.10-1

but dist-upgrade still wants to install it.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?  If not, does anyone know if
Window Maker still works with this version of libfreetype6?  

Thanks.

Walt


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Re: Forbidding a version of a package in debian

[Patrick Wiseman]

On 2/24/06, Walt Mankowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm running debian testing.  I ran "aptitude dist-upgrade" yesterdayand it wants to install a version of libfreetype6 that I'm worriedwill break my window manager (Window Maker).  I'd like to put that
version of libfreetype6 on hold until things get sorted out.  I readthrough the aptitude man page and this looked like the proper way todo it:  aptitude forbid-version libfreetype6=2.1.10-1When I run "aptitude show libfreetype6" it says that version is
forbidden:  Forbidden version: 2.1.10-1but dist-upgrade still wants to install it.
I don't do aptitude on the command line, but can't you just put the package on hold ('=' if you're using the 'gui')?

Patrick

Re: linux help (running apache web server)

[David Berg]

On 2/24/06, Wale Akintan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, Im a complete rookie in linux and I have just installed redhat 9.0. I

This is a Debian support list, not Redhat.  For Redhat or apache
specific help you really ought to try redhat.com and apace.org to find
the relevant mailing lists.  You are much more likely to find help
there and much less likely to have your inbox filled with flames. 
That said, here is the little help I can offer.

> am a totally new user. I downloaded some instructions on installing apache
> web server, and it seemed to go fine. I test started the web server with the

It would be much more useful to know what instructions you followed. 
A url to these instructions, or if they are not too long including
them in the e-mail would be good.

> /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start command and it started. pid 18089. the

Debian uses a different method to start its daemons so I can't say if
this is correct or not.  Again, a RedHat based list would be a better
choice.


> instructions says to go into the address bar http://localhost/  and see if i
> can get in to start editing. I keep getting - ' the connection was refused
> when attempting to contact local host'. I checked the proxy settings. I

First, I wouldn't expect to beable to edit the page by accessing it in
a browser.  To beable to do this, the browser would need to know what
directory the website's root is at, and have write permission to it.

Second, in my experience, "connection refused" has usually indicated
that a firewall isn't letting packets through.  In Debian there isn't
a firewall configured by default.  A list full of Redhat users would
know better about how Redhat configures any default firewalls.  You
likely need to punch a hole for port 80.


> tried to telnet into the server- telnet localhost 18089.- connection
> refused. i tried telnet 127.0.0.1 18089 just in case it was a dns issue-

DNS will not be queried trying to access localhost.  DNS is for public
names and ip addresses.  The resolver will most likely look in a
configuration file in your /etc direcotry for the proper number.  On
Debian, this file is /etc/hosts.  It may be the same on Redhat but it
has been 8 years since I ran it and at that time I was as green as you
are so I don't remember.

Webservers, by default, run on port 80.  When you typed `telnet
localhost 18089` you were telling telnet to access port 18089 on your
system.  Since 18089 is the pid of apache, I'm not suprised that the
connection was refused when trying that.  The command you are looking
for is `telnet 127.0.0.1 80`.


> still same thing. Im beat! I dont know what to do. I see you helped someone
> in my type of situation so i thought id try my luck.
>

What to do:
*google for the terms: apache conection refused redhat
*read the redhat documentation regarding firewalls
*read the redhat documentation regarding setting up apache
*read the apache documentation on installing apache
*e-mail the redhat users mailing list giving more explicit steps on
what you've tried and what the problem is.
*If you are still having problems look harder and repost or call a
linux consultant who would be glad to fix it for a fee

What not to do:
Don't post to a mailing list for a distrubition different than the one
you are running.  This is a VERY high volume list and a lot of the
subscribers have very little patience for questions that should be
directed else where.

I hope this helped.

--Dave

Re: Forbidding a version of a package in debian

[Paul Dwerryhouse]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:48:35PM -0500, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> I'm running debian testing.  I ran "aptitude dist-upgrade" yesterday
> and it wants to install a version of libfreetype6 that I'm worried
> will break my window manager (Window Maker).  I'd like to put that
> version of libfreetype6 on hold until things get sorted out.  

Just do this:

echo "libfreetype6 hold" | dpkg --set-selections

When you want to remove the hold, later on, do:

echo "libfreetype6 install" | dpkg --set-selections

Cheers,

Paul

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Re: Forbidding a version of a package in debian

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 24 February 2006 18:48, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> I'm running debian testing.  I ran "aptitude dist-upgrade" yesterday
> and it wants to install a version of libfreetype6 that I'm worried
> will break my window manager (Window Maker).  I'd like to put that
> version of libfreetype6 on hold until things get sorted out.  I read
> through the aptitude man page and this looked like the proper way to
> do it:
>
>   aptitude forbid-version libfreetype6=2.1.10-1
>
> When I run "aptitude show libfreetype6" it says that version is
> forbidden:
>
>   Forbidden version: 2.1.10-1
>
> but dist-upgrade still wants to install it.

Hold the package instead of forbidding it.

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2006 #421

[Martin Paraskevov]

Thanks Leonid. I am not familiar with the concept of Gnome Panel widgets.
I couldn't find any useful info on the internet either. What are these widgets
and how can I create one as you say in your instructions.

Thanks,
Martin Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:09:01 -0500From: "Leonid Grinberg" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Debian List" Subject: Re: switching between keyboard layouts in gnome 
2.6Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inlineIt is a Gnome Panel widget... I myself use USA and Russian Phonetic.Just create a Keyboard Indicator widget, right click, add whateverkeyset, you want, and then change the key. I know for a fact that you
can use Alt and Shift (although on one of my computers, it is a littlefaulty and refuses to aknowledge the left Shift and Alt. I usually useScroll Lock, myself.--Leonid

Re: UTF-8, Utf-8, or utf-8?

[Alvin Oga]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Dan Jacobson wrote:

> For the locales stuff, should I use
> zh_TW.UTF-8, zh_TW.Utf-8 or zh_TW.utf-8?
> My guess is the latter, from locale -a.

use the utf ( lower and upper case sensitive ) version
supported on your pc ( output of locale -a and xlsfonts )

to change between UTF-8 and utf-8 ... the link implies that
the utf formats is NOT the interchangeable
http://home.no.net/david/i18n.php

> Should I report bugs if I see mentioning of the others?

probably not

> How about for web pages? charset=utf-8 like tidy or UTF-8 like Google?

for more utf sleeping materials
http://linux-cjk.net/Unicode/#UTF

fonts of webpages are controlled by:
- brower settings 
- xterm/kde settings
- installed fonts on the system

c ya
alvin


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linux help

[Wale Akintan]

Im sorry to bother you, but I finally got the apache running correctly. It was my naivety. I was specifying the wrong port in the URL. Like I said earlier, I am a complete rookie at this. And this simple mistake has cost me 2 nights of sleep and almost cost me a girlfriend too! Thanks anyway, and you can disregard my request!
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backports vs testing (etch)

[Martin Paraskevov]

I am confused as to why backports.org exists. If I want to use the latest software, 
should I use backports.org or I should upgrade to etch (I am currently using sarge).
What happens if I use backports for some time and then decide to upgrade to etch.
Will I end up with a broken system? What is the philosophy of backports?

Thanks,
Martin

sid upgrade today

[L . V . Gandhi]

Today I did apt-get upgrade udev was one of the packages. I got some
udev error while booting. Because of this, my bootsplash didn't work.
But when I did grep boot, kernel, syslog and message for udev, I
didn't get anything.
At least, I though boot log will give some lines. Whethere anybody
experienced like this?
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search target releases for packages

[Martin Paraskevov]

Can I search target releases for packages? With apt-get -t I can 
install from target releases but I cannot search target releases with
apt-cache. For example, I wanted to install java-package but I cannot find
it in the stable repositories but I cannot search the testing repository either.

Regards,
Martin

scp problem

[L . V . Gandhi]

My laptop is in lan for which dhcp server is router Linksys BEFW11S4.
Router is connected to cable modem. Router assigns IP randomly. My
laptop has both wifi and eth. It had ips 192.168.1.101 and
192.168.1.102. Another machine with eth has ip 192.168.1.103. This I
got it from that machine.
Q1) is there anyway to know all machines in the lan with out password
acess to router?
Now I could ping 192.168.1.103. Both machines are having ssh. I made
/share folder in 192.168.1.103 with 777 permissions.
When I did scp like below
scp /mnt/wind/Audio/file.mp3 192.168.1.103://share/
I got the following
The authenticity of host '192.168.1.103 (192.168.1.103)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is 5e:18:a1:63:b8:72:0f:04:f6:79:ff:30:ac:a8:0c:00.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.103' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
Password:
When I did just enter, it again asked for Password. I enter root
password for that machine. Then I got like as below.
Password:
Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
lost connection
I tried both as root and user from 192.168.1.102.  I did n't create
any account for me in 192.168.1.103. How should I proceed to succed in
this?
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Re: backports vs testing (etch)

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Martin Paraskevov wrote:
> I am confused as to why backports.org  exists. If
> I want to use the latest software,
> should I use backports.org  or I should upgrade to
> etch (I am currently using sarge).
> What happens if I use backports for some time and then decide to upgrade
> to etch.
> Will I end up with a broken system? What is the philosophy of backports?
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin
> 

To begin with, backports.org is designed to allow the user/admin to
stick with a proven and stable system, but upgrade small parts of it to
newer releases that are built to run on the older libraries available in
stable.  For example, I run Sarge (since I am trying to finish my thesis
sometime this year and I no longer have time to deal system breakages
that occasionally happen in testing/unstable).  However, I need the
latest openoffice.org packages.  If they were not available from
backports, I would probably get them from upstream (as I have with Eclipse).

So, if you need stability with some (i.e., few pieces of) newer
packages, then backports are the way to go.  If you need all the latest
stuff, then testing/unstable is the way to go.

-Roberto

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Re: install help with tosiba laptop

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 15:31 -0800, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> 
>>On 2/23/06, Matt Zagrabelny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> todd,>> please keep 
>>replies on the list. thanks.> also use inline responses, it makes for better 
>>readability.>> On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 18:22 -0500, Todd Swackhamer wrote:> > 
>>do i need to know much to go through this? this is my first debian> > install 
>>(or any linux experience, for that matter) and i am a bit> > intimidated 
>>going through the expert mode.>> go with the etch installer. worst case 
>>scenario is you lose an hour or> two fiddling.
>>Can etch installer be used to install sarge? If so how?
> 
> 
> i doubt it, but i wanted to give it a go i would boot into the expert
> mode, and when it asked me about my apt sources i would enter 'sarge' by
> hand:
> 
> $ grep sarge /etc/apt/sources.list
> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
> 
> i have no idea what the affect of this would be.
> 
> -matt zagrabelny
> 
> 

A better approach is probably a Knoppix chroot install.

-Roberto

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exec, stdin, stdout, stderr

[David Berg]

I'm trying to read a bash script and fortunately am confused at the
first non comment line.

looking at:

exec < /dev/null
test -t 1 || exec > /dev/null
test -t 2 || exec 2>&1

I think I understand most of it but can't figure out what `exec`
called without any arguments will do.  Does it simply replace the
shell with a copy of itself?

--Dave

packages.debian.org

[Martin Paraskevov]

Why has packages.debian.org been down for so long.
When I go to packages.debian.org/stable for example it 
works fine but not packages.debian.org.

Regards,
Martin

Re: backports vs testing (etch)

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> On 2/24/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>To begin with, backports.org is designed to allow the user/admin to
>>stick with a proven and stable system, but upgrade small parts of it to
>>newer releases that are built to run on the older libraries available in
>>stable.  For example, I run Sarge (since I am trying to finish my thesis
>>sometime this year and I no longer have time to deal system breakages
>>that occasionally happen in testing/unstable).  However, I need the
>>latest openoffice.org packages.  If they were not available from
>>backports, I would probably get them from upstream (as I have with Eclipse).
>>
>>So, if you need stability with some (i.e., few pieces of) newer
>>packages, then backports are the way to go.  If you need all the latest
>>stuff, then testing/unstable is the way to go.
> 
> After adding bacports to sources list and less priority in prefernces,
> can one do upgrade? Or one shold comment out backports after
> installing say openoffice and firefox to ensure stability?

If you follow their recommendation and pin the backports sources to a
very low priority, then you should be OK.  As far as upgrading, it will
not be officially supported to upgrade from Sarge+backports to Etch
(once Etch goes stable).  However, the people uploading to backports.org
are the package maintainers themsleves, so I imagine that they are least
considering the possibility that people will be upgrading with their
backported packages installed.

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Re: packages.debian.org

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Martin Paraskevov wrote:
> Why has packages.debian.org  been down for
> so long.
> When I go to packages.debian.org/stable
>  for example it
> works fine but not packages.debian.org .
> 
> Regards,
> Martin
> 

Dynamic pages on packages.debian.org were disabled a while back.  Try
pdo.debian.net, which provides the same information, but which is not
officially supported.

-Roberto

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Re: scp problem

[Dan Sheffner]

Q1) Yes you run a program that scans the network range.  Very usefull.  Prob even more ways.
Q2) You should never give full access to some random folder on a box
for security.  below is what I have used to transfer file between
PC.  Only use one slash like below.  Let me know if it
doesn't work.
scp -p file 192.168.1.1:./ssh On 2/24/06, L. V. Gandhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My laptop is in lan for which dhcp server is router Linksys BEFW11S4.Router is connected to cable modem. Router assigns IP randomly. Mylaptop has both wifi and eth. It had ips 192.168.1.101
 and192.168.1.102. Another machine with eth has ip 192.168.1.103. This Igot it from that machine.Q1) is there anyway to know all machines in the lan with out password
acess to router?Now I could ping 192.168.1.103. Both machines are having ssh. I made/share folder in 192.168.1.103 with 777 permissions.
When I did scp like belowscp /mnt/wind/Audio/file.mp3 192.168.1.103://share/I got the followingThe authenticity of host '192.168.1.103 (192.168.1.103
)' can't be established.RSA key fingerprint is 5e:18:a1:63:b8:72:0f:04:f6:79:ff:30:ac:a8:0c:00.Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yesWarning: Permanently added '
192.168.1.103' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.Password:When I did just enter, it again asked for Password. I enter rootpassword for that machine. Then I got like as below.Password:Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
lost connectionI tried both as root and user from 192.168.1.102.  I did n't createany account for me in 192.168.1.103. How should I proceed to succed in
this?--L.V.Gandhihttp://lvgandhi.tripod.com/linux user No.205042

Re: backports vs testing (etch)

[L . V . Gandhi]

On 2/24/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To begin with, backports.org is designed to allow the user/admin to
> stick with a proven and stable system, but upgrade small parts of it to
> newer releases that are built to run on the older libraries available in
> stable.  For example, I run Sarge (since I am trying to finish my thesis
> sometime this year and I no longer have time to deal system breakages
> that occasionally happen in testing/unstable).  However, I need the
> latest openoffice.org packages.  If they were not available from
> backports, I would probably get them from upstream (as I have with Eclipse).
>
> So, if you need stability with some (i.e., few pieces of) newer
> packages, then backports are the way to go.  If you need all the latest
> stuff, then testing/unstable is the way to go.
After adding bacports to sources list and less priority in prefernces,
can one do upgrade? Or one shold comment out backports after
installing say openoffice and firefox to ensure stability?
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bash history search key binding

[Lei Kong]

Hi all,

I am using debian testing, and the bash version is 3.1.5.
I have the following  lines in my .bashrc to assign arrow keys to 
history search:


bind '"\M-[A":history-search-backward'
bind '"\M-[B":history-search-forward'

It worked well before, one day, after I did a routine upgrade,
it stopped working. The weird thing is, the arrow key search
still works in a sudo shell.

Anyone has a clue on what's wrong?

Many thanks.

Lei


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Re: scp problem

[L . V . Gandhi]

On 2/24/06, Dan Sheffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Q1) Yes you run a program that scans the network range.  Very usefull.  Prob
> even more ways.
>  Q2) You should never give full access to some random folder on a box for
> security.  below is what I have used to transfer file between PC.  Only use
> one slash like below.  Let me know if it doesn't work.
>  scp -p file 192.168.1.1:./ssh
I tried as you said. Still it asks for password. Even I tried root
password of 105 and my own password in 102. Still I couldn't do it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ scp -p
/mnt/wind/Audio/VenkateswaraSuprabadham.mp3 192.168.1.105:./share
The authenticity of host '192.168.1.105 (192.168.1.105)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is 5e:18:a1:63:b8:72:0f:04:f6:79:ff:30:ac:a8:0c:00.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.105' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
Password:
Password:
Password:
Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
lost connection

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Re: backports vs testing (etch)

[L . V . Gandhi]

On 2/24/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you follow their recommendation and pin the backports sources to a
> very low priority, then you should be OK.  As far as upgrading, it will
> not be officially supported to upgrade from Sarge+backports to Etch
> (once Etch goes stable).  However, the people uploading to backports.org
> are the package maintainers themsleves, so I imagine that they are least
> considering the possibility that people will be upgrading with their
> backported packages installed.
May be I didn't make my self clear. I was talking of apt-get upgrade
not apt-get dist-upgrade. I think former is for upgrading packages in
existing stable one. I am not sure I made myself clear.
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can I define a default printer in firefox? how?

[Paul E Condon]

I'm running cups under sarge. I can print from firefox, but
the print window shows five printers, two are attached to a
Mac in the next room, two are figments of firefox's imagination.
The firefox print window always comes up with one of the figments
preselected (its designation is "xp_ps_spooldir_HOME_Xprintjobs@:64" )
If I forget to select a proper printer, I don't get output until
I fix my mistake. I hope there is a way to select a useful default
printer which will be automatically pre-selected when a choose to
print a page. Does anyone know if I can do this? And how?

TIA
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