Re: Old mail - how to get access

[Paul Scott]

Marc Shapiro wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:


tony mollica wrote:


snip
Any suggestions on the easiest way to pick through this Mail 
directory to pick out

the important emails?



You can access them where they are with mutt or move them to where 
Thunderbird or some other mail client can see them.


The files without extensions are mail folders.  You may see 
directories (folders) which may contain other files w/o extentions 
that are also mail folders.


With mutt you can just do
mutt -f 
or start mutt and press 'c' (change folder) and navigate from there.

With thunderbird put them (with a name that isn't already there) in 
the .../Mail// directory while t-bird is not running 
and start t-bird and you will see those mail folders with the names 
you gave them.  With other mail clients similar things are possible.


That sound like maildir folders, as opposed to mbox.  Does Thunderbird 
handle maildir?
Maybe my description wasn't complete enough but I am talking about mbox 
which I believe is what Netscape and Mozilla have always used.  My first 
sentence says this even if tersely.


Paul


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Re: procmail vs. exim

[Steve Lamb]

Dave Sherohman wrote:

Which brings us right back to the question I initially asked when I
started this subthread:  Is there anything that procmail can do which
exim filters cannot?


As I said before someone somewhere could probably find some esoteric 
feature procmail has that isn't in Exim's filtering.  A better question would 
be to default to the 80% rule.  Does exim's filtering have at least 80% of 
what procmail offers?  If so chances are it will fit the needs of far more 
than 80% of the population who would have to choose between the two and so the 
added effort to install and learn the specialist application is moot for the 
vast majority of people.


> Does the additional complexity of learning procmail

bring along an additional benefit or is it just pointless complexity?


If we take the 80% rule to heart, it's just pointless complexity.

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Re: procmail vs. exim

[Steve Lamb]

s. keeling wrote:

To reiterate, "some people can write unreadable code in any language.
Procmail is no exception."  I've no problem managing my procmail
recipes.  ymmv.  hth.  hand.


And to reiterate, some languages are pretty much unreadable no matter 
what.  So please stop trotting out the tired ol' saying cited above as some 
copout for poor readability and maintainability.


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problem importing debian packages with apt-proxy-import

[tat]

Hello,

I'm trying to import my /var/cache/apt/archives to apt-proxy

apt-proxy:
  Installed: 1.9.33
  Candidate: 1.9.33

First i installed apt-proxy, then i configured
/etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy-v2.conf

apt-proxy-v2.conf_
DEFAULT]
;; All times are in seconds, but you can add a suffix
;; for minutes(m), hours(h) or days(d)

;; Server IP to listen on
address = 192.168.99.3

;; Server port to listen on
port = 

;; Control files (Packages/Sources/Contents) refresh rate
;;
;; Minimum time between attempts to refresh a file
min_refresh_delay = 1h

;; Minimum age of a file before attempting an update (NOT YET IMPLEMENTED)
;min_age = 23h

;; Uncomment to make apt-proxy continue downloading even if all
;; clients disconnect.  This is probably not a good idea on a
;; dial up line.
complete_clientless_downloads = 1

;; Debugging settings.
;; for all debug information use this:
;; debug = all:9
debug = all:4 db:0

;; Debugging remote python console
;; Do not enable in an untrusted environment
;telnet_port = 9998
;telnet_user = apt-proxy
;telnet_password = secret

;; Network timeout when retrieving from backend servers
timeout = 15

;; Cache directory for apt-proxy
cache_dir = /var/cache/apt-proxy

;; Use passive FTP? (default=on)
;passive_ftp = on

;; Use HTTP proxy?
;http_proxy = host:port

;; Enable HTTP pipelining within apt-proxy (for test purposes)
;disable_pipelining=0

;;--
;; Cache housekeeping

;; Time to perform periodic housekeeping:
;;  - delete files that have not been accessed in max_age
;;  - scan cache directories and update internal tables
cleanup_freq = 1d

;; Maximum age of files before deletion from the cache (seconds)
max_age = 120d

;; Maximum number of versions of a .deb to keep per distribution
max_versions = 3

;; Add HTTP backends dynamicaly if not already defined? (default=on)
;dynamic_backends = on

;;---
;;---
;; Backend servers
;;
;; Place each server in its own [section]

[debian]
;; The main Debian archive
;; You can override the default timeout like this:
;timeout = 30

;; Rsync server used to rsync the Packages file (NOT YET IMPLEMENTED)
;;rsyncpackages = rsync://ftp.de.debian.org/debian

;; Backend servers, in order of preference
backends =
;;  http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian
ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian


;;[debian-non-US]
;; Debian debian-non-US archive
;;timeout will be the global value
;;backends =
;;  http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-non-US
;;  http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US
;;  ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian

[debian-security]
;; Debian security archive
backends =
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-security
http://security.debian.org/debian-security


[ubuntu]
;; Ubuntu archive
backends =
   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
   http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu

[ubuntu-security]
;; Ubuntu security updates
backends = http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu

[debian-marillat]
;; Marillat repository with mplayer and codecs
backends = ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat

;[openoffice]
;; OpenOffice.org packages
;backends =
;   http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/debian-openoffice
;   http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/OpenOffice.deb
;   http://borft.student.utwente.nl/debian

;[apt-proxy]
;; Apt-proxy new versions
;backends = http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/apt-proxy

;[backports.org]
;; backports.org
;backends = http://backports.org/debian

;[blackdown]
;; Blackdown Java
;backends = http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian


;[debian-people]
;; people.debian.org
;backends = http://people.debian.org

;[emdebian]
;; The Emdebian project
;backends = http://emdebian.sourceforge.net/emdebian

;[rsync]
;; An example using an rsync server.  This is not recommended
;; unless http is not available, becuause rsync is only more
;; efficient for transferring uncompressed files and puts much
;; more overhead on the server.  See the rsyncpacakges parameter
;; for a way of rsyncing just the Packages files.
;backends = rsync://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian
_END__
NOTE: i run Debian/testing but i have also some clients runnng Ubuntu
  so i use also the Ubuntu Backends.


after i edited my /etc/apt/sources.list

__sources.list_
# debian backend
deb http://barrabox.ram:/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://barrabox.ram:/debian testing main contrib non-free

# debian-security backend
deb http://barrabox.ram:/debian-security testing/updates main
deb-src http://barrabox.ram:/debian-security testing/updates main

# debian marillat backend
deb http://barrabox.ram:/debian-marillat etch

problem importing debian packages with apt-proxy-import

[tat]

Hello,

I'm trying to import my /var/cache/apt/archives to apt-proxy

apt-proxy:
  Installed: 1.9.33
  Candidate: 1.9.33

First i installed apt-proxy, then i configured
/etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy-v2.conf

apt-proxy-v2.conf_
DEFAULT]
;; All times are in seconds, but you can add a suffix
;; for minutes(m), hours(h) or days(d)

;; Server IP to listen on
address = 192.168.99.3

;; Server port to listen on
port = 

;; Control files (Packages/Sources/Contents) refresh rate
;;
;; Minimum time between attempts to refresh a file
min_refresh_delay = 1h

;; Minimum age of a file before attempting an update (NOT YET IMPLEMENTED)
;min_age = 23h

;; Uncomment to make apt-proxy continue downloading even if all
;; clients disconnect.  This is probably not a good idea on a
;; dial up line.
complete_clientless_downloads = 1

;; Debugging settings.
;; for all debug information use this:
;; debug = all:9
debug = all:4 db:0

;; Debugging remote python console
;; Do not enable in an untrusted environment
;telnet_port = 9998
;telnet_user = apt-proxy
;telnet_password = secret

;; Network timeout when retrieving from backend servers
timeout = 15

;; Cache directory for apt-proxy
cache_dir = /var/cache/apt-proxy

;; Use passive FTP? (default=on)
;passive_ftp = on

;; Use HTTP proxy?
;http_proxy = host:port

;; Enable HTTP pipelining within apt-proxy (for test purposes)
;disable_pipelining=0

;;--
;; Cache housekeeping

;; Time to perform periodic housekeeping:
;;  - delete files that have not been accessed in max_age
;;  - scan cache directories and update internal tables
cleanup_freq = 1d

;; Maximum age of files before deletion from the cache (seconds)
max_age = 120d

;; Maximum number of versions of a .deb to keep per distribution
max_versions = 3

;; Add HTTP backends dynamicaly if not already defined? (default=on)
;dynamic_backends = on

;;---
;;---
;; Backend servers
;;
;; Place each server in its own [section]

[debian]
;; The main Debian archive
;; You can override the default timeout like this:
;timeout = 30

;; Rsync server used to rsync the Packages file (NOT YET IMPLEMENTED)
;;rsyncpackages = rsync://ftp.de.debian.org/debian

;; Backend servers, in order of preference
backends =
;;  http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian
ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian


;;[debian-non-US]
;; Debian debian-non-US archive
;;timeout will be the global value
;;backends =
;;  http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-non-US
;;  http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US
;;  ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian

[debian-security]
;; Debian security archive
backends =
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-security
http://security.debian.org/debian-security


[ubuntu]
;; Ubuntu archive
backends =
   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
   http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu

[ubuntu-security]
;; Ubuntu security updates
backends = http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu

[debian-marillat]
;; Marillat repository with mplayer and codecs
backends = ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat

;[openoffice]
;; OpenOffice.org packages
;backends =
;   http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/debian-openoffice
;   http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/OpenOffice.deb
;   http://borft.student.utwente.nl/debian

;[apt-proxy]
;; Apt-proxy new versions
;backends = http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/apt-proxy

;[backports.org]
;; backports.org
;backends = http://backports.org/debian

;[blackdown]
;; Blackdown Java
;backends = http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian


;[debian-people]
;; people.debian.org
;backends = http://people.debian.org

;[emdebian]
;; The Emdebian project
;backends = http://emdebian.sourceforge.net/emdebian

;[rsync]
;; An example using an rsync server.  This is not recommended
;; unless http is not available, becuause rsync is only more
;; efficient for transferring uncompressed files and puts much
;; more overhead on the server.  See the rsyncpacakges parameter
;; for a way of rsyncing just the Packages files.
;backends = rsync://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian
_END__
NOTE: i run Debian/testing but i have also some clients runnng Ubuntu
  so i use also the Ubuntu Backends.


after i edited my /etc/apt/sources.list

__sources.list_
# debian backend
deb http://barrabox.ram:/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://barrabox.ram:/debian testing main contrib non-free

# debian-security backend
deb http://barrabox.ram:/debian-security testing/updates main
deb-src http://barrabox.ram:/debian-security testing/updates main

# debian marillat backend
deb http://barrabox.ram:/debian-marillat etch

Re: Looking for a Debian Sarge installer ISO with megaraid...

[Greg Madden]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 16:40, Hex Star wrote:
> Ah, yeah I tried doing modprobe megaraid and it said module not
> found...how would I go about finding out if the module is included in
> the installer CD and if so what it's called so I can modprobe it?
> Thanks! :-)
>
> On 3/19/06, Greg Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sunday 19 March 2006 09:35, Hex Star wrote:
> > > Hi, I'm in need of a Debian Sarge 3.1r1 or similar (one that would
> > > work with the rest of the cds containing the packages that come
> > > with the Debian Sarge 3.1r1 installer CD) that has support for the
> > > devices supported in the kernels already included with the
> > > installer CD and I need it to support the megaraid driver..anyone
> > > know where I can find this? Or perhaps could someone build this for
> > > me please? Or perhaps someone could create a custom installer boot
> > > floppy that satisfies this need? Thanks!
> >
> > I am not 'real' sure  but my guess is megaraid is compiled as a
> > module, I don't have Sarge installed to check, but it is a driver
> > that has been around awhile..Woody, If this is happening during an
> > install switch to another tty, an modprobe the megaraid module, you
> > need to know the actual name, I just used the generic name.

You never mentioned the actual hardware you are using, how do you know it 
needs the megaraid module? If you list the actual specifics about the 
card, someone who uses it might be able to help.

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Re: procmail vs. exim

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Steve Lamb:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Your opinion.  You like tools that speak English.  I like tools that
> >work; I don't care what language they speak.
> 
> I prefer tools which are maintainable by several people, not 
> unintelligble to even the author months down the road.  Ease of 

To reiterate, "some people can write unreadable code in any language.
Procmail is no exception."  I've no problem managing my procmail
recipes.  ymmv.  hth.  hand.


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Re: On Open Source Support of hardware (was: Re: Best Linux Laptop)

[Tony Godshall]

According to Rog?rio Brito,
> On Mar 19 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> > You might want to consider walking into the store with a Knoppix boot
> > CD/DVD and booting the laptop with Knoppix.  If it works you know the
> > hardware will be supported by Linux.
> 
> And if you are concerned with hardware that works with Free Software, be
> careful to see if the CD/DVD hasn't loaded any non-free software, like
> ndiswrapper or such other evil things.
> 
> Please, since you are "voting with your wallet" and you are in a
> position to choose what to use, don't support those that make the life
> of Free Software developers harder.

I am ashamed to admit that I voted for Dell the last time
around, but they were (sadly) the only ones with the
1920x1280 screen.  In my book, the only real feature that
counts on a laptop is screen.  Sadly, I am using nonfree
video (nvidia driver) and network.  But if you are satisfied
with conventional displays, by all means, vote with your wallet
for hardware vendors that are FOSS-friendly.


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Re: Poster to this lists email address not obfuscated? If so it makes this list a heaven for spam bots...:-(

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Florian Kulzer:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Incoming from Florian Kulzer:
> >
> >>s. keeling wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Consider joining my (ad hoc) "Poison The Well" project:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html
> >>
> >>Maybe I misunderstand what you are doing, but aren't you increasing the
> >>spam load for people whose real email addresses are used/forged as the
> >
> >They're already being used.  I receive spam addressed from
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED], which doesn't surprise me.  "My posting them ...
> 
> I am not so sure about that. I get a lot of spam, which means that some
> spammers - let us call them A, B, C, and D - have my email address in
> their database. Now if one of them sends you spam with my address as the
> forged sender, my email address will end up on public display on one
> more web page, your "Poison The Well" project page. This in turn

I should say here that, as my personal philosophy on spam goes,
"munging", or otherwise hiding your email address, is essentially
pointless.  I've been posting to mailing lists and Usenet using my
real email address since about 1996.  I don't hide from spammers.  I'm
a living honeypot, if you will.  My real email address used in mailing
list and Usenet posts attracts spammers and their abuses, and I use
that attraction to kill them (their accounts, of course :-).

> increases the chances that spammers E, F, ..., Z will also find my
> email address and I will get even more spam than before. I think

Your attempts at hiding your email address from spammers and email
address harvesters is fruitless/pointless, and doesn't add anything of
value into our war against spammers and spam.  Killing them (their
accounts) is all that matters.  Force them to run around rebuilding
infrastructure, then kill those too when they're used.  Every time
they use their infrastructure, burn it down, forcing them to recreate
it.

> generated garbage addresses. I recall seeing quite sophisticated
> implementations of this, in which an "invisible" (for normal users) link
> on a webpage leads email harvesting robots into a maze of dynamically
> generated bogus pages full of thousands of useless email addresses.

That would be a cool addition to our arsenal.  Please research and
report back.  I would be very interested in implementing this.  Thanks.


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Re: procmail vs. exim (was: Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...)

[Dave Sherohman]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 10:16:39PM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Dave Sherohman:
> > That's beside the point, IMO.  All the documentation and syntax
> > checkers in the world aren't going to change the fact that procmail's
> > 
> > :0:
> > * ^From: AntiSpam UOL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > /dev/null
> > 
> > (stolen from one of Gene Heskett's recent posts) is more cryptic and
> 
> Your opinion.  You like tools that speak English.  I like tools that
> work; I don't care what language they speak.

I like tools that work and prefer that they speak something similar
to English and/or another, standardized language (preferably one that
I know, such as C).

Which brings us right back to the question I initially asked when I
started this subthread:  Is there anything that procmail can do which
exim filters cannot?  Does procmail have any real advantage over exim
filters other than being a widely-used legacy application, within the
context of talking about a system (i.e., Debian) in which exim is the
default MTA?  So far as I am aware, procmail's only advantage is that
it can be used with any MTA.  If this is correct (and it quite
certainly may not be), then I question whether people who are being
given their first introduction to config-file-based mail filtering,
and are doing so on a system which uses exim as its MTA, should be
immediately directed to a solution which requires them to either
learn a unique, special-purpose language for that one purpose or else
blindly cut-and-paste text from recipes provided by other people with
little or not understanding of what it means.

I have nothing against complexity, but I have a dim view of pointless
complexity.  Does the additional complexity of learning procmail
bring along an additional benefit or is it just pointless complexity?

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Re: procmail vs. exim

[Steve Lamb]

s. keeling wrote:

Your opinion.  You like tools that speak English.  I like tools that
work; I don't care what language they speak.


I prefer tools which are maintainable by several people, not unitelligble 
to even the author months down the road.  Ease of maintainability is far a far 
greater asset in the long haul.  Given I've been emailing for closing in on 20 
years and will most likely do so for 20 more the language they speak is quite 
important.


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Re: Old mail - how to get access

[Marc Shapiro]

Paul Scott wrote:


tony mollica wrote:


Hello.

Through disk and software changes I'm left with a Mail directory, 
probably from
Netscape Communicator, that I would like to access with a normal mail 
client
but I need to identify which one.  The Mail directory is in my home 
directory and
under that are the subfolders,  then in the subfolders are numbered 
files each
containing one email.  Does this sound familiar and is it a Netscape 
Communicator

mail directory?

Any suggestions on the easiest way to pick through this Mail 
directory to pick out

the important emails?



You can access them where they are with mutt or move them to where 
Thunderbird or some other mail client can see them.


The files without extensions are mail folders.  You may see 
directories (folders) which may contain other files w/o extentions 
that are also mail folders.


With mutt you can just do
mutt -f 
or start mutt and press 'c' (change folder) and navigate from there.

With thunderbird put them (with a name that isn't already there) in 
the .../Mail// directory while t-bird is not running and 
start t-bird and you will see those mail folders with the names you 
gave them.  With other mail clients similar things are possible.


That sound like maildir folders, as opposed to mbox.  Does Thunderbird 
handle maildir?


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Re: procmail vs. exim (was: Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...)

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Dave Sherohman:
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 10:07:11AM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> > I'll wager that procmail is one of the better documented utilities out
> > there, considering all those writing about its usage.  The tiny-tools
> > project even supplies an emacs syntax checker mode for rc files
> 
> That's beside the point, IMO.  All the documentation and syntax
> checkers in the world aren't going to change the fact that procmail's
> 
> :0:
> * ^From: AntiSpam UOL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> /dev/null
> 
> (stolen from one of Gene Heskett's recent posts) is more cryptic and

Your opinion.  You like tools that speak English.  I like tools that
work; I don't care what language they speak.


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Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Levi Waldron]

2006/3/19, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've seen on this list that this behavior is related to the zeroconf package. 
> Try purging it.

I purged zeroconf and that did the trick.  Thanks!  I didn't
intentionally install it; it must have gotten installed with something
else.

Re: Ctrl-Alt-Fx won't switch between virtual consoles after Sarge->Etch

[Mitchell Laks]

hi 

i reported this a few weeks ago on this list (dont you remember???)
(search for the header on my email

ctl-alt-F2 or F3 not switching to tty2 or tty3: running kde.

hasn't gone away yet.


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Re: Old mail - how to get access

[Paul Scott]

tony mollica wrote:


Hello.

Through disk and software changes I'm left with a Mail directory, 
probably from
Netscape Communicator, that I would like to access with a normal mail 
client
but I need to identify which one.  The Mail directory is in my home 
directory and
under that are the subfolders,  then in the subfolders are numbered 
files each
containing one email.  Does this sound familiar and is it a Netscape 
Communicator

mail directory?

Any suggestions on the easiest way to pick through this Mail directory 
to pick out

the important emails?


You can access them where they are with mutt or move them to where 
Thunderbird or some other mail client can see them.


The files without extensions are mail folders.  You may see directories 
(folders) which may contain other files w/o extentions that are also 
mail folders.


With mutt you can just do
mutt -f 
or start mutt and press 'c' (change folder) and navigate from there.

With thunderbird put them (with a name that isn't already there) in the 
.../Mail// directory while t-bird is not running and start 
t-bird and you will see those mail folders with the names you gave 
them.  With other mail clients similar things are possible.


HTH.

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Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:41:00 -0500
"Levi Waldron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm on a VPN set up by a D-link router connected to a cable modem. 
> The internal IP address of the router is 192.168.0.1, and its dhcpd is
> set up to deliver IP addresses between 192.168.0.100 and
> 192.168.0.199, with my MAC address bound to 192.168.0.109.  The
> bizarre thing is that my computer seems to be getting the IP addrsess
> 169.254.46.151!  This seems very strange to me.  I'm using Debian
> unstable, and have tried the following two different stanzas in
> /etc/network/interfaces:

I've seen on this list that this behavior is related to the zeroconf package. 
Try purging it.

HTH
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Old mail - how to get access

[tony mollica]

Hello.

Through disk and software changes I'm left with a Mail 
directory, probably from
Netscape Communicator, that I would like to access with a normal 
mail client
but I need to identify which one.  The Mail directory is in my 
home directory and
under that are the subfolders,  then in the subfolders are 
numbered files each
containing one email.  Does this sound familiar and is it a 
Netscape Communicator

mail directory?

Any suggestions on the easiest way to pick through this Mail 
directory to pick out

the important emails?


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Samba/Proftpd/ncftp all stop at some place.

[Luis Koo]

Hello, everyone:
I have a box running Debian Sarge GNU/Linux.
Hardware: Dual Xeon 2.8G/1G Ram/146G*3 Scsi Raid5 on Megaraid
hardware controller.
Software: Debian Sarge/2.6.8 kernel/Squid/Proftpd/Apache2/ncftp all
debian sarge default version and is updated now.
Config: ip 192.168.9.9

Problem:
1, as a ftp client, ncftp download from other ftp
server(192.168.3.126, windows2003 server with FileZilla server 0.9.10 beta),
to get a large file(about 2.7GB) after get 0.65GB at about 11MB/s then stop,
I can only get message of ncftp like this:
xxx.iso ETA: aaa:aa 0.65/   2.75GB  bbb.bb kB/s =
aaa.aa becomes more and more large; bbb.bb becomes more and more
small.
After aaa.aa is 199:24, and bbb.bb is 184.29, ncftp give a message:
Remote read timed out.
Get xxx.iso: data transfer timed out.
2, as a ftp server(proftpd), I use FlashFXP 2.0 on
windows2003(192.168.3.126) download from this 9.9 box, to get a large
file(about 720MB) after get 184.22MB at about 11MB/s then stop, I can only
get message of FlashFXP like this:
184.22 MB(0.00 KBps)26% Elapsed 02:48   Remaining: 150:42:17
3, as a samba server, I use windows2003(192.168.3.126) copy three
files from this 9.9 box(1.bin 520MB, 2.bin 708MB, 3.bin 550MB), it seems
windows copy 1.bin first, when 1.bin finished, then 2.bin. The windows copy
progress seems finished 1.bin , but stop at 2.bin, about copied 640MB of
2.bin. After I wait for a while, about 2 minutes, the Windows Explorer give
a message:
Cannot copy 2.bin: The specified network name is no longer
available.
4, as a apache server, I use Windows2003(192.168.3.126)'s IE's "Save
AS..." to download the 1.bin, 2.bin, 3.bin by http from this 9.9 box,
everything id downloaded at 11MB/s or so, no error happened!

I can download/upload from/to the windows2003(192.168.3.126) at
other places no error.
I tried these several times, almost every time the same error.

Thank you for reading my problem, and hope I can get your help.

Many thanks and best regards.


Yours: xuelu (-;

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Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Leonid Grinberg]

Hello and thanks for all of the replies!

>From what people have posted so far, I must say that Unstable seems
pretty nice... I do not mind messing around with my system, but I do
not want that to be the norm, like it is in Gentoo.

Thanks again!

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Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Hex Star]

Hmm well for starters ditch that D-Link product and get a real network product like a Linksys router...D-Link is absolute crap!On 3/19/06, Kent West <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Levi Waldron wrote:
>No windows machines at all on the network, just this debian machine>and a mac.  It's happening right now with this being the only machine>on the subnet.>>As for the differing hardware addresses, very observant!  I made one
>of them up just for privacy, just for privacy even though I'm sure it>really doesn't matter, and forgot to change the other.  In reality>there's only one hardware address.  By the way,  I've noticed the same
>thing when connecting by wireless.>>Don't pay attention to me; I don't know what I'm talking about.But a fwe weeks I was seeing something similar on my box, and finding areference in the archives, did an "aptitude purge zeroconf", and my
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Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Kent West]

Levi Waldron wrote:

>No windows machines at all on the network, just this debian machine
>and a mac.  It's happening right now with this being the only machine
>on the subnet.
>
>As for the differing hardware addresses, very observant!  I made one
>of them up just for privacy, just for privacy even though I'm sure it
>really doesn't matter, and forgot to change the other.  In reality
>there's only one hardware address.  By the way,  I've noticed the same
>thing when connecting by wireless.
>  
>
Don't pay attention to me; I don't know what I'm talking about.

But a fwe weeks I was seeing something similar on my box, and finding a
reference in the archives, did an "aptitude purge zeroconf", and my
problem went away.

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Re: Looking for a Debian Sarge installer ISO with megaraid...

[Hex Star]

Ah, yeah I tried doing modprobe megaraid and it said module not found...how would I go about finding out if the module is included in the installer CD and if so what it's called so I can modprobe it? Thanks! :-)
On 3/19/06, Greg Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sunday 19 March 2006 09:35, Hex Star wrote:> Hi, I'm in need of a Debian Sarge 3.1r1 or similar (one that would work> with the rest of the cds containing the packages that come with the> Debian Sarge 
3.1r1 installer CD) that has support for the devices> supported in the kernels already included with the installer CD and I> need it to support the megaraid driver..anyone know where I can find> this? Or perhaps could someone build this for me please? Or perhaps
> someone could create a custom installer boot floppy that satisfies this> need? Thanks!I am not 'real' sure  but my guess is megaraid is compiled as a module, Idon't have Sarge installed to check, but it is a driver that has been
around awhile..Woody, If this is happening during an install switch toanother tty, an modprobe the megaraid module, you need to know the actualname, I just used the generic name.--Greg Madden
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Re: Looking for a Debian Sarge installer ISO with megaraid...

[Greg Madden]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 09:35, Hex Star wrote:
> Hi, I'm in need of a Debian Sarge 3.1r1 or similar (one that would work
> with the rest of the cds containing the packages that come with the
> Debian Sarge 3.1r1 installer CD) that has support for the devices
> supported in the kernels already included with the installer CD and I
> need it to support the megaraid driver..anyone know where I can find
> this? Or perhaps could someone build this for me please? Or perhaps
> someone could create a custom installer boot floppy that satisfies this
> need? Thanks!

I am not 'real' sure  but my guess is megaraid is compiled as a module, I 
don't have Sarge installed to check, but it is a driver that has been 
around awhile..Woody, If this is happening during an install switch to 
another tty, an modprobe the megaraid module, you need to know the actual 
name, I just used the generic name.
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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Mark Crean]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 17:50, Leonid Grinberg wrote:
[snip]
> Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
> unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
> and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
> expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
> it?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I am running Unstable here and very rarely encounter problems. However, I've 
found it necessary to be prudent about the upgrading and use apt-listbugs 
too. When a  big transition is going through, like a new version of xorg or a 
new Gnome or KDE, I wait till it's all or nearly all in and check the mailing 
list for any signs of trouble before upgrading. The only program that has 
consistently been a pain the last six months is udev.

I tried Testing but eventually gave up and moved to Unstable. Testing seemed 
to have too many packages missing or stuck in a queue. Quite a lot of stuff 
seemed rather behind the times but this came with no more stability than in 
Unstable, in my experience.

I wouldn't use Debian Unstable for something very important, but it is my #1 
choice for ordinary messing around on a desktop.

:)

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Re: System hangs at boot

[Rogério Brito]

On Mar 19 2006, Luis R Finotti wrote:
> I'm not sure removing exim4 is a good idea.  It's part of the base
> system and used to deliver local error messages...  (But I am not sure
> it's really that bad.)

If the original poster doesn't need the full power of exim4 (well, I
actually only know well one MTA and that is qmail, which I packaged
myself for some friends and for me), then some other "lighter" MTAs may
be an option, like nullmailer or ssmtp.

Oh, and you can interrupt the hanging processes at boot with Control-C,
if you don't care that much about them being up. Of course, this is a
dirty solution.


Hope this helps, Rogério.

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Re: System hangs at boot

[Rogério Brito]

On Mar 19 2006, Luis R Finotti wrote:
> Leo Britto wrote:
> >I will try to reinstall the system from scratch and see if I will
> >have the same problem. I hope I wont :)
> 
> That's what they call the "windows way"... :-)

And this is *rarely* needed with Debian. In fact, trying to resurrect a
dead/problematic system is almost always a nice learning experience.

It, of course, takes time, but that's the price to pay.

> (If someone with experience with ndiwsrapper -- or some who really
> knows what he's talking about :-) -- would give any advice, maybe you
> could avoid it...)

I lost the initial postings, but using ndiswrapper is an evil thing...

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On Open Source Support of hardware (was: Re: Best Linux Laptop)

[Rogério Brito]

On Mar 19 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> You might want to consider walking into the store with a Knoppix boot
> CD/DVD and booting the laptop with Knoppix.  If it works you know the
> hardware will be supported by Linux.

And if you are concerned with hardware that works with Free Software, be
careful to see if the CD/DVD hasn't loaded any non-free software, like
ndiswrapper or such other evil things.

Please, since you are "voting with your wallet" and you are in a
position to choose what to use, don't support those that make the life
of Free Software developers harder.


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Re: USB Card Reader.

[Justin Guerin]

Wulfy wrote:

> Thanks to all who answered.  Much appreciated!
> 
> Joachim Fahnenmüller wrote:
> 
>>[snip]
> Progress!  well, some. 
> 
> I did "mkdir /media/card" so that there'd be a directory there to attach
> to.
> 
> I tried each of the possibilities:
> 
> mount -t vfat /dev/sd[a-d] /media/card
> 
> Mount told me that a, b and d had no media but c gave me an error message:
> 
>> Yewdales-lodge:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /media/card
>> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,
>>missing codepage or other error
>>In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
>>dmesg | tail  or so
> 
> I looked at dmesg | tail:
> 
>> scsi2: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 2, CDB: Read (10) 00 00 00 00 06
>> 00 00 02 00
>> Current sdc: sense key Medium Error
>> Additional sense: Unrecovered read error
>> end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 6
>> Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 0
>>  unable to read partition table
>> FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
>> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.
>> FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
>> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.
> 
You can't mount /dev/sdc, because it represents the entire disk.  You want
to mount the partition on the disk, which is going to be /dev/sdc[1-16]. 
The above error message at least shows you that your card is dev/sdc.

> I also tried Duncan's suggestion of mounting /dev/sdc1.
> 
>> Yewdales-lodge:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/card
>> mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist
> 
This is what you need to do, but it failed because udev didn't create the
special device node.  You can either create it manually with makedev, and
have to create it manually every time, or tell udev to create the
individual partition nodes when the device nodes for the reader are
created.

> Two things come to mind.  Either the card uses some other fs type or
> I've lost all the pictures on it  :(  Of course, I'm not sure what
> the dmsg error message means precisely, but "unable to read partition
> table" sounds bad.  That doesn't depend on the fs, does it?
> 
I doubt it uses some other file system, as vfat is the defacto standard. 
You've just got to have the right device node to mount it.

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Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Levi Waldron]

No windows machines at all on the network, just this debian machine
and a mac.  It's happening right now with this being the only machine
on the subnet.

As for the differing hardware addresses, very observant!  I made one
of them up just for privacy, just for privacy even though I'm sure it
really doesn't matter, and forgot to change the other.  In reality
there's only one hardware address.  By the way,  I've noticed the same
thing when connecting by wireless.

Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Jan C. Nordholz]

Hi,

> I'm on a VPN set up by a D-link router connected to a cable modem. 
> The internal IP address of the router is 192.168.0.1, and its dhcpd is
> set up to deliver IP addresses between 192.168.0.100 and
> 192.168.0.199, with my MAC address bound to 192.168.0.109.  The
> bizarre thing is that my computer seems to be getting the IP addrsess
> 169.254.46.151!  This seems very strange to me.  I'm using Debian
> unstable, and have tried the following two different stanzas in
> /etc/network/interfaces:
> 
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet dhcp
> 
> and
> 
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.109
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> gateway 192.168.0.1
> 
> The DHCP stanza seems to show me getting the desired IP address:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
> Reconfiguring network interfaces...cat: /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid: No
> such file or directory
> ifup: interface lo already configured
> Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5
> Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> 
> Please contribute if you find this software useful.
> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html
> 
> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776

Note the differing hardware (!!) addresses:

> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:d0:59:aa:7e:50
> Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:d0:59:aa:7e:50
^

> Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
> DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.1
> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> DHCPACK from 192.168.0.1
> SIOCSIFADDR: File exists
> bound to 192.168.0.109 -- renewal in 302400 seconds.
> done.
> 
> But ifconfig disagrees!
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ sudo ifconfig eth0
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:97:94:52:69
^

Are you doing some sort if interface renaming, or do you change
the hardware address? Are there any other interfaces at all,
and what hardware addresses do they have?


Regards,

Jan


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Re: receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Matt Johnson]

--- Levi Waldron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm on a VPN set up by a D-link router connected to
> a cable modem. 
> The internal IP address of the router is
> 192.168.0.1, and its dhcpd is
> set up to deliver IP addresses between 192.168.0.100
> and
> 192.168.0.199, with my MAC address bound to
> 192.168.0.109.  The
> bizarre thing is that my computer seems to be
> getting the IP addrsess
> 169.254.46.151!  

I'm not at all sure about the myriad of potential
reasons for this - but the first place I'd look is
something to do with Windows XP. Isn't this range
something that Windows XP dishes out or at least gives
itself when it's struggling for an IP? Does this makes
sense in your context? i.e. is there a Windows box
conveniently placed on this network, and it stops
happening with it turned off?

May be way off course here.

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Re: OpenOffice.Org and Icewm workspaces

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 06:21:32AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:

> so you have different workspaces open with one instance of OO open. You
> do something to create mouse movement or key strokes and these actions
> are sent to OO, it then has to figure out which window to apply these
> action to. OO does not seem to 'know' that you are in workspace #3 and
> thus applys it to #1. This sounds like a problem with OO not recognizing
> workspaces? Or is the window you are working on not  'selected'?

The window is most definitely selected.  I can (for instance) use Alt-Tab to
switch to it, and I can press Alt alone to highlight the File menu--but any
other keystroke, or moving the mouse, and I'm back on Workspace #1.
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receiving unexpected IP address *outside* of VPN

[Levi Waldron]

I'm on a VPN set up by a D-link router connected to a cable modem. 
The internal IP address of the router is 192.168.0.1, and its dhcpd is
set up to deliver IP addresses between 192.168.0.100 and
192.168.0.199, with my MAC address bound to 192.168.0.109.  The
bizarre thing is that my computer seems to be getting the IP addrsess
169.254.46.151!  This seems very strange to me.  I'm using Debian
unstable, and have tried the following two different stanzas in
/etc/network/interfaces:

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

and

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.0.109
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.0.1

The DHCP stanza seems to show me getting the desired IP address:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
Reconfiguring network interfaces...cat: /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid: No
such file or directory
ifup: interface lo already configured
Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5
Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium.
All rights reserved.

Please contribute if you find this software useful.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html

sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
Listening on LPF/eth0/00:d0:59:aa:7e:50
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:d0:59:aa:7e:50
Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
DHCPOFFER from 192.168.0.1
DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 192.168.0.1
SIOCSIFADDR: File exists
bound to 192.168.0.109 -- renewal in 302400 seconds.
done.

But ifconfig disagrees!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ sudo ifconfig eth0
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:97:94:52:69
  inet addr:169.254.46.151  Bcast:0.0.0.0  Mask:255.255.0.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::2d0:59ff:feaa:7e50/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:40763 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:46031 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:33285720 (31.7 MiB)  TX bytes:30327904 (28.9 MiB)

What's going on?

Re: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[Joey Hess]

David Jarvie wrote:
> Ah! So obvious when you think of it - yes, that was the cause. But why the 
> permissions should have changed, I have no idea.

Often caused by untarring something in the wrong place.

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-Fx won't switch between virtual consoles after Sarge->Etch

[Dave Ewart]

On Sunday, 19.03.2006 at 22:37 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> >I recently upgraded this desktop from Sarge to Etch and pretty-much
> >everything has worked as well as before, or better, which is great.
> >
> >However, I find that I can no longer switch between virtual consoles
> >using Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.
> >
> >The 'getty's appear to be running OK, but I can't switch to them.
> >
> >$ ps ax|grep getty
> > 3911 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
> > 3912 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
> > 3913 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
> > 3914 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
> > 3915 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
> > 3916 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
> >14354 pts/3S+ 0:00 grep getty
> >
> >I don't even know where to start on this one: any ideas, people?
> 
> Maybe this bug has propagated from Sid to Etch:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345454

Interesting: this certainly describes my symptoms.  I can do a 'chvt N'
from a *root* session and successfully change VT and, once out of X,
successfully use Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back into X.

> Sometimes it seems to be possible to fix it by running
> 
> apt-get -f install
> apt-get install xlibs xlibs-data
> 
> and restarting X.

Hmmm, there was nothing that wasn't up-to-date: I tried:

apt-get install --reinstall xlibs xlibs-data

too just for completeness, but this hasn't changed the behaviour.

> Furthermore, make sure that your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file has "xorg" as
> the value for "XkbRules" (and not "xfree86"). More details related to
> this can be found in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/NEWS.Debian.gz

This suggests looking at xkb-data instead of xlibs, which I guess I
could investigate... don't really understand the implications of doing
that though.

> Also check your xorg.conf for occurrences of "DontVTSwitch", "VTSysReq",
> "XkbDisable" and "HandleSpecialKeys". These can interfere with the VT
> switching. ("man xorg.conf" has more info under "SERVERFLAGS SECTION")
> 
> If the problem persists, check for warnings and errors in the Xorg log
> 
> egrep '^\((WW|EE)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> 
> and post them here together with your xorg.conf.

OK, doesn't look like anything untoward here:

# egrep '^\((WW|EE)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1152x768":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (1178) not a multiple of 8
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "576x384":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (589) not a multiple of 8
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "360x200":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (378) not a multiple of 8

# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf

# xorg.conf (Xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
#   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
#   md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"record"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "uk"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option 

Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Steve Lamb]

Leonid Grinberg said:
> Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
> unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
> and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
> expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
> it?

The quick and dirty answer is this:  Debian's "unstable" is often far
more stable than other distributions "stable" branch.  Certainly far
less problems than Redmond's "Stable" branch.  ;)  That is if your
definition of stable is "runs without too many hiccups" and not "doesn't
change version numbers frequently."

Other people have posted anecdotal evidence of unstable's stablity. 
Here's mine, about a decade of riding unstable on a variety of machines
and I can think of maybe once or twice where something major broke and
wasn't fixed within, say, a few hours.  IE, I updated at exactly the
wrong few hours and got nailed.  I don't update every day or sometimes
every week.  It is often when something annoys me enough to make me want
to see if it's been fixed in the latest version offered in Unstable.

If you're fairly confident of your Debian-fu and take appropriate
precautions you shouldn't have serious problems cropping up except once
every couple blue moons.

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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:16:08 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you upgrade unstable on a daily basis, there is a high probability 
> that it breaks on a daily basis.

My experience contradicts that. I upgrade every ... hhhm ... time I remember. 
That's about two times a week, if I'm not VERY busy. And I don't use 
apt-listbugs. I got bitten only twice, one of which was due to an unofficial 
package (see my other post).
 
> If you upgrade it on a monthly basis, then there is a high probability 
> that it breaks on a monthly basis and stays broken until the next 
> upgrade etc.,

Not necessarily. The yaird issue had a good fix until the package itself got 
fixed.

> The key to run a successful unstable distribution is to not upgrade your 
> system once you are satisfied with the current state of affairs.

Which defeats the very purpose to why many people are running unstable (and the 
OP wants to run it): to always have the latest software.

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Re: Detaching X proxy

[Steve Lamb]

Björn Lindström said:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Björn Lindström):
> I'm now playing around with xmove. I'm getting it to work, but it's
> _much_ slower than running an X application from the same server with
> SSH forwarding.

> Are there any tricks to speed xmove up that I should be aware of?

None that I could find.  I stombled around with xmove several months ago
and wasn't pleased at all with its performance.  There didn't seem to be
much in the way of configuration that would affect performance.  For me
it was, as you said, slower than SSH forwarding.  It is also slower than
VNCing which provides detaching at the desktop level.

Given that the last time I hceck xmove hadn't been updated any time this
decade it doesn't seem the situation isn't going to improve any time
soon.  Something that I am incapable of helping out as my skull seems to
be impermiable to the contents of C books.  :)

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-Fx won't switch between virtual consoles after Sarge->Etch

[Florian Kulzer]

Dave Ewart wrote:

I recently upgraded this desktop from Sarge to Etch and pretty-much
everything has worked as well as before, or better, which is great.

However, I find that I can no longer switch between virtual consoles
using Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.

The 'getty's appear to be running OK, but I can't switch to them.

$ ps ax|grep getty
 3911 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
 3912 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
 3913 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
 3914 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
 3915 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
 3916 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
14354 pts/3S+ 0:00 grep getty

I don't even know where to start on this one: any ideas, people?


Maybe this bug has propagated from Sid to Etch:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345454

Sometimes it seems to be possible to fix it by running

apt-get -f install
apt-get install xlibs xlibs-data

and restarting X.

Furthermore, make sure that your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file has "xorg" as
the value for "XkbRules" (and not "xfree86"). More details related to
this can be found in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/NEWS.Debian.gz

Also check your xorg.conf for occurrences of "DontVTSwitch", "VTSysReq",
"XkbDisable" and "HandleSpecialKeys". These can interfere with the VT
switching. ("man xorg.conf" has more info under "SERVERFLAGS SECTION")

If the problem persists, check for warnings and errors in the Xorg log

egrep '^\((WW|EE)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

and post them here together with your xorg.conf.

Regards,
   Florian


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Re: Ctrl-Alt-Fx won't switch between virtual consoles after Sarge->Etch

[Dave Ewart]

On Sunday, 19.03.2006 at 15:26 -0600, Kent West wrote:

> Dave Ewart wrote:
> >I recently upgraded this desktop from Sarge to Etch and pretty-much
> >everything has worked as well as before, or better, which is great.
> >
> >However, I find that I can no longer switch between virtual consoles
> >using Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.
> >
> >The 'getty's appear to be running OK, but I can't switch to them.
> >
> >$ ps ax|grep getty
> > 3911 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
> > 3912 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
> > 3913 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
> > 3914 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
> > 3915 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
> > 3916 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
> >14354 pts/3S+ 0:00 grep getty
> >
> >I don't even know where to start on this one: any ideas, people?
>
> I'd start by seeing if a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills X.

It does.  Also, Ctrl-Alt-L locks my KDE session.  Looking more closely,
this is set as a proper shortcut from within KDE, so that may be why it
works.  There is no option to set 'switch virtual console' in the KDE
keymapper, but as I understand it, the console switching happens at a
lower level anyway...

> I might also look for a tool to verify that the Ctrl, Alt, and Fx keys 
> are producing the correct keycodes. It may be that your keymapping is 
> just ever so slightly off.

Well, in other contexts they all work as expected individually, if
that's what you mean... I can use Alt-1, Alt-2 etc. in screen; I can use
various Fx keys that I've configured for use in Vim; and I can use Ctrl
in a similar way.

Anything else I can check for?

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Re: Detaching X proxy

[Oddbjørn Hansen]

Björn Lindström wrote:

I find myself in need of a detachable X proxy. (To be able to do
Screen-like detaching of remote X programs.)

Since web resources about this seems scarce, I was hoping that someone
could summarise the free alternatives available, and maybe recommend
one.


Is it something like VNC you are looking for? I'm using tightvnc myself.


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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:50:21 -0500
"Leonid Grinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I must say that I love Debian. It is an amazing system that has never
> failed me, and, although we had our ups and downs, continues to serve
> me loyally and fully.
> 
> But there is one thing that annoys me about it, and that is how long a
> package needs to be tested for, before it gets verified as not
> dangerous. 

This is what ensures the very high quality of the packages.

> I use Testing, myself, and am annoyed by a few things. I
> used to hate the Debian Firefox package, because it took so long to
> get updated. Eventually, I removed it, and I now use the
> Mozilla-supplied program, something that I highly recommend. But what
> really bugs me is GNOME. Debian finally supplied GNOME 2.12 in Testing
> about a month before GNOME 2.14 came out. And it is harder to replace,
> because in order to use the code from gnome.org, one needs to
> recompile it and then set it up by hand, something that I feel I am
> not qualified to do.
> 
> Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
> unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
> and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
> expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
> it?
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> --
> Leonid Grinberg

AFAIK a package takes 10 days to propagate from unstable into testing. That is, 
if there are no serious (RC?) bugs reported against it, and I think it is also 
a matter of dependencies especially for big stuff like gnome (with lots of 
dependencies). So you can see, unstable is more up to date than testing but, 
... You can't really expect that some software gets packaged immediately after 
release. Even if the maintainer has nothing else to do than release that 
package, it may still take some time to package it up to Debian standards. The 
gnome case is much more complicated, and the Debian gnome team has already 
asked for help. It will be some time until they have the packages ready, even 
for unstable.

Now to your question: I am running unstable for 5(?) months now. I have not 
experienced crashes. Once I got it running it is stable as a rock, but ... the 
emphasis is on getting it running. First problems I encountered were during the 
dist-upgrade. Mostly dependency stuff which I sorted out pretty easy. Next 
problem was during a kernel image upgrade. I upgraded the running kernel 
without having a backup (won't do THAT again). The yaird package (which got 
upgraded at the same time) was buggy so I ended with an unbootable system. Had 
to chroot from Knoppix to fix that. Next break was due to the unofficial 
package splashy. Nice bootsplash, but it made my system unbootable at one 
upgrade. Booting single user and purging the package was the only solution I 
found. I installed it back a few weeks later and all was ok. I guess they fixed 
it.

To make the long story short, maybe I'm just lucky, but watching this list I 
think unstable is pretty stable. If a package has bugs, they get fixed pretty 
quick and the very nature of how linux is built it (usually) doesn't affect the 
rest of the system. But DON'T use it if you need your system to Just Work (tm). 
This is what 'stable' is for. You will get in additional problems with 
unstable, which will require your time to solve. OTOH you get to learn lots of 
new things about your computer and your favorite OS ;-) For me this is fun.

Of course, everything here is just my 0.02, IMHO, YMMV, ... you get the picture 
:)

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-Fx won't switch between virtual consoles after Sarge->Etch

[Kent West]

Dave Ewart wrote:

I recently upgraded this desktop from Sarge to Etch and pretty-much
everything has worked as well as before, or better, which is great.

However, I find that I can no longer switch between virtual consoles
using Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.

The 'getty's appear to be running OK, but I can't switch to them.

$ ps ax|grep getty
 3911 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
 3912 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
 3913 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
 3914 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
 3915 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
 3916 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
14354 pts/3S+ 0:00 grep getty

I don't even know where to start on this one: any ideas, people?

Cheers,

Dave.
  

I'd start by seeing if a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills X.

I might also look for a tool to verify that the Ctrl, Alt, and Fx keys 
are producing the correct keycodes. It may be that your keymapping is 
just ever so slightly off.


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Re: i want spam

[Alvin Oga]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Chance Platt wrote:

> Interestingly, I read a piece once about a gentleman trying to get his
> email address spammed.  He did everything -- signed up on the
> mailinglists, gave the address to porn websites, .. everything.

and go to places that offer free stuff
 
> So if I were attempting to get my email address spammed, methinks I
> would do everything to actually avoid use of the string "spam".

and personally, i'd not "users" to receive spam at gmail/hotmail/yahoo
and that in itself is abuse of "free email services"

ie.. what can you do about spam ... just play with spam-filters to post
process the MB or GB of spam data.. ( storage costs lots of $$$ 
and worst when multiplied by nnn-times x 4x  for nnn people doing "spam
tests"

i say serious spam testing/research should be down at one's own
hardware and connectivity and storage 

and you can dig thru the mail archives to find all the spam you want
along with the real emails ... this debian list itself is a good
real life example of mix of spams vs real emails

c ya
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Re: ipw2100 WEP with Debian Unstable

[Manaen Schlabach]

I had to use the newest kernel out there to make a go of it 2.6.15.
something or other.  Also don't forget to download and install the
firmware from sourceforge.  Mandriva's stance towards certain things
is different the Debian's.  Debian is militarily free while Mandriva
is much more liberal about what gets included in its distro. 
Mandriva's packages are usually newer than Debian's although Mandriva
has an older version of Gnome than Debian testing does now (I never
thought I'd see that).  Debian's thorough testing and porting results
in packages getting released more slowly than Mandriva or FCx but than
again if you want stability Debian is very nice.  IPW2200 is still
very new I never could get it working in Fedora Core either and they
have fairly new packages.  You can get the kernel 2.6.15.x from
kernel.org

On 3/19/06, Jesus Arocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 19 March 2006 08:24, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> > I had a similar experience with the ipw2200.  It works well (in
> > testing) as long as you are willing to compile a custom kernel and
> > move (or delete if you like to live dangerously) the module directory
> > when you recompile.
> >
> > MS
> >
> > On 3/16/06, Bill Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:40:11 +1100
> > >
> > > Paul Dwerryhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:20:23PM -0800, Bill Thompson wrote:
> > > > > I have tried the built-in kernel modules and the source packages for
> > > > > ieee80211-modules v.1.1.6-2 and ipw2100-modules v.1.1.3A.
> > > > > Has anyone been able to get WEP working with the Debian packaged
> > > > > ipw2100 driver?
> > > >
> > > > Yep, it works fine for me; it accepts the exact command that you
> > > > specific without any errors:
> > >
> > > For the archives, I found where my problem was. An earlier version of
> > > the 2.6.15 kernel package had a problem with the ieee80211-module that
> > > prevented WEP use. As newer versions of the linux-image package were
> > > installed I forgot to move the module directory. Although I was running
> > > linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v.2.6.15-8, the module directory I was using
> > > was from linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v.2.6.15-2. Once I moved the module
> > > directory and reinstalled the kernal package WEP began working fine.
> > >
> > > The moral of the story is to ALWAYS move your module directory before
> > > upgrading the kernel.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill Thompson
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I am trying to get an Inspiron 6000's WIFI to work under Debian and am trying
> to compile the ieee and ipw2200 modules.  Make complains of missing kernel
> files in /lib/modules.../build.  I have an Ubuntu install.  The install does
> not include the kernel sources or headers, 2.6.12-10, but when I try to do
> apt-get, apt-get returns packages not found.  I cannot find 2.6.12-10 in
> debian or Ubuntu mirrors.  I am new to debian installs, from Mandriva, and
> was somewhat surprised at what was not included in the basic install.
>
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Ctrl-Alt-Fx won't switch between virtual consoles after Sarge->Etch

[Dave Ewart]

I recently upgraded this desktop from Sarge to Etch and pretty-much
everything has worked as well as before, or better, which is great.

However, I find that I can no longer switch between virtual consoles
using Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.

The 'getty's appear to be running OK, but I can't switch to them.

$ ps ax|grep getty
 3911 tty1 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
 3912 tty2 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
 3913 tty3 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
 3914 tty4 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
 3915 tty5 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
 3916 tty6 Ss+0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
14354 pts/3S+ 0:00 grep getty

I don't even know where to start on this one: any ideas, people?

Cheers,

Dave.
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Re: Problem accessing CPAN

[Leoncini Xavier]

Thanks a lot 
 it works now
I guess I had not seen this one been taken off.

Leoncini Xavier wrote:
 
 
I have a strange error while trying to access cpan.
 I cannot figure what is wrong.
 When i execute "perl -MCPAN -e shell"
 I get
 "Cannot do `initialize' in Term::ReadLine::Gnu at /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm 
line 105"
 I upgraded perl modules and perl to the latest in sid with still the same 
results.
 Any idea on how to fix this.
 Thanks in advance.
 Xavier
 
 
 
Have you checked which version of the lib-readline modules you have?
(This library is external to perl)

 I suggest trying the following:
 
 apt-get install libterm-readline-gnu-perl
 
 If this doesnt work, I suggest posting to one of the Perl mailing lists or 
forums, such as http://perlmonks.org
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Ivor.


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Re: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[Michael Spang]

David Jarvie wrote:

>On Sunday 19 March 2006 18:47, Joey Hess wrote:
>  
>
>>David Jarvie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Permissions on root directories: all have as a minimum, 755. /tmp/
>>>and /var/tmp have 777.
>>>  
>>>
>>Have you checked the permissions of / ? Having it not world readable can
>>definitly cause this problem.
>>
>>
>
>Ah! So obvious when you think of it - yes, that was the cause. But why the 
>permissions should have changed, I have no idea.
>
>Thank you for the help.
>  
>
Interesting. Wasn't reading that strace carefully enough ;-).
All of those successful reads take place before the setuid32()
and clone().

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Re: System hangs at boot

[Luis R Finotti]

Leo Britto wrote:

Unfortunately nothing of these worked. I will try to
reinstall the system from scratch and see if I will
have the same problem. I hope I wont :)

Thanks for your help,


That's what they call the "windows way"... :-)  You should not have to 
do that, but it might work...  (If someone with experience with 
ndiwsrapper -- or some who really knows what he's talking about :-) -- 
would give any advice, maybe you could avoid it...)


Good luck!

Luis


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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Jochen Schulz]

Leonid Grinberg:
> 
> Unstable, I know, does not have this problem.

I think most packages are not considerably newer in unstable than they
are in testing. But huge things like Gnome, which consist of a few dozen
interdependent packages propagate slower to testing.

> So I am wondering, how unstable is it? I might be getting a new
> computer within a few months, and am considering installing Debian
> Unstable on it. But what should I expect? Will it crash a few times a
> month, or a day? How much work is it?

Personally, I am running unstable on my machines (desktop systems) for
two or three years now and I have never experienced a major outage (like
random system crashes or a system that doesn't boot anymore). The
problems you are likely to encounter are single broken packages. To deal
with this stuff, you should know how to use apt(itude), the BTS and
Google. And this list, of course. But be prepared to be asked questions
like "Why do you use unstable if you cannot handle $foo yourself?!?". :)

Of course you should not run unstable on machines you really depend on
or on servers which are likely to be attacked.

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Re: [PARTIALLY SOLVED] SATA drive probs: Knoppix OK, but nothing else

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi list,


I have a new SATA drive (WDC WD800JD-60LUA0) that I have problems with 
getting recognized by Sarge.


Knoppix finds it OK, I can partition the disk, write to it, no problems.

The Debian3.1r1 Debian Installer, finds it, identifies it, but with 
installation on another PATA partition the GRUB boot fails with 9's 
over the screen.


Same with Debian3.1r1 Debian Installer using expert26 and lilo: that 
boot also fails with 's on the screen.


Booting into my normal Sarge with lilo hangs at the start with the drive 
connected.


If Knoppix has absolutely no problems, I believe my problems are all 
software related. Knoppix finds it as /dev/sda. I created ext2 
partitions 1-7, no problems. I was unable to run lilo from Knoppix: got 
errors that he could not find the right device mapper.


Anybody have a clue as to what to google for, or what to do next to get 
a bootloader to run with the drive connected?


The problem is twofold (I think):

1. Booting with any bootloader and the WD disk connected with the 
SII3112 HD SATA controller.

2. The BIOS-check under that condition.

I avoided (1) by using a lilo rescue disk and selecting "hard disk"

I avoid (2) with the "suppress-boot-time-BIOS-data" global option of Lilo.

Then I have a running system with the WD disk mounted as sda1-7.
Nothing wrong with the bootloaders. Something wrong with the BIOS of my 
mobo (EPOX EP-8VTAI), but I didn't see any upgrades mentioning this problem.


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Re: System hangs at boot

[Leo Britto]

Unfortunately nothing of these worked. I will try to
reinstall the system from scratch and see if I will
have the same problem. I hope I wont :)

Thanks for your help,

--- Luis R Finotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
>  > --- Luis R Finotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>Hi,
>  >>
>  >>Leo Britto wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>Hi everyone,
>  >>>
>  >>>I have a Debian Sarge 2.6.8 running on my laptop
>  >>
>  >>and I
>  >>
>  >>>finally got my wireless adapter to work. But
> when
>  >>
>  >>I
>  >>
>  >>>reboot it I just cant go pass the jabberd
> startup.
>  >>>Earlier it was "hanging" on the MTA startup so I
>  >>>apt-get remove exim4-base and got rid of it just
>  >>
>  >>to
>  >>
>  >>>find out that the problem is after it.
>  >>
>  >>Just an idea: if your wireless card is configure
> on
>  >>start up, it might
>  >>expect an internet connection.  If you don't have
>  >>connection (or if your
>  >>router is on, but not connect to the internet),
> the
>  >>system will not find
>  >>a DNS server.  At least for me, this makes the
>  >>computer hang during the
>  >>MTA start up (any problem with DNS does), but it
>  >>does continue after a
>  >>little while (or not so little -- two minutes,
>  >>maybe).  It seems to me
>  >>that that might be the problem.  Maybe you could
> try
>  >>to make sure you
>  >>have connection, disable connection on boot, or
> wait
>  >>and see if the
>  >>start up continues after a little while.
>  >>
>  >>HTH,
>  >>
>  >>Luis
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Leo Britto wrote:
> > Can I ask how I disable the ndiwsrapper from being
> > loaded at boot time?
> 
> I'm not sure, since I've never used it.  You can
> check if there is any 
> file in /etc/init.d/ related to it.  If there is,
> you can use 
> update-rc.d to remove it.  (Check the man page.)
> 
> > I dont know but I think this
> > might be the reason. I can boot in single user
> mode
> > and when I issue a init 2 my system hangs when it
> gets
> > to the services. I tried to disable the services
> but
> > it still hangs. I have no idea what can be the
> cause
> > of this but the only change I made was the
> introuction
> > of the correct wireless driver to ndiswrapper.
> Maybe
> > if I can disable it I can get back to boot. What
> is
> > odd is if i boot in single user mode I can load
> the
> > ndis driver and use it i/o problems. I even
> removed
> > exim4 from my system and it still doesnt work. 
> 
> I'm not sure removing exim4 is a good idea.  It's
> part of the base 
> system and used to deliver local error messages... 
> (But I am not sure 
> it's really that bad.)
> 
> So, is ndiwsrapper a module?  If so, check
> /etc/modules.  You can try to 
> comment it out.
> 
> > I also tried the other suggestion to let it hanged
> for
> > a while. I waited for 5 minutes and nothing.
> > 
> > I also tried to boot it many times w/o hope.
> 
> Hmm...  Did you look at /etc/network/interfaces? 
> If, say eth1 is your 
> wireless card, is there a "auto eth1" in it?  If so,
> you can try to 
> remove it, but I am not sure that that will help
> anymore...
> 
> > Have any suggestions?
> 
> That's all I have for now. (I'm *really* not a
> guru...) :-)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Luis
> 
> 
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Re: procmail vs. exim (was: Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...)

[Dave Sherohman]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 10:07:11AM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> I'll wager that procmail is one of the better documented utilities out
> there, considering all those writing about its usage.  The tiny-tools
> project even supplies an emacs syntax checker mode for rc files

That's beside the point, IMO.  All the documentation and syntax
checkers in the world aren't going to change the fact that procmail's

:0:
* ^From: AntiSpam UOL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
/dev/null

(stolen from one of Gene Heskett's recent posts) is more cryptic and
requires more effort for the average speaker of English to understand
than exim's equivalent

if $h_From contains "AntiSpam UOL" then
  seen finish
endif

Granted, the exim version still requires a little bit of learning to
fully understand or to create new rules based on it, but most seem to
find it easier than procmail syntax.

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Re: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[David Jarvie]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 18:47, Joey Hess wrote:
> David Jarvie wrote:
> > Permissions on root directories: all have as a minimum, 755. /tmp/
> > and /var/tmp have 777.
>
> Have you checked the permissions of / ? Having it not world readable can
> definitly cause this problem.

Ah! So obvious when you think of it - yes, that was the cause. But why the 
permissions should have changed, I have no idea.

Thank you for the help.
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Re: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[Michael Spang]

Joey Hess wrote:

>David Jarvie wrote:
>  
>
>>Permissions on root directories: all have as a minimum, 755. /tmp/ 
>>and /var/tmp have 777. 
>>
>>
>
>Have you checked the permissions of / ? Having it not world readable can
>definitly cause this problem.
>  
>
That certainly would be problematic, but I don't think
that's the case here. Presumably David would have
noticed the inability to read anything after becoming a
regular user. Also, bash is able to read various files
according to the strace.

Michael Spang


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Re: Subversion 1.3.x Debian pkgs?

[Matt England]

At 3/19/2006 11:08 AM, Michael Marsh wrote:

On 3/19/06, Matt England <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I attempted to apt-get a Subversion 1.3.0 Debian package a few days ago
> (via an 'experimental' package base) and failed due to dependencies on
> updated libapr and other stuff that was apparently not ready.
>
> Has anybody been able to update Subversion 1.3.0 via Debian package
> management?  Or can anyone point out how to do so?

Why are you trying to get a version from experimental?


Because a few days ago that was the only place 1.3.0 existed, or so said 
the package list then.  Either things have changed or my package listing 
was messed up.



With sid, I have:

$ apt-cache policy subversion
subversion:
  Installed: 1.3.0-3
  Candidate: 1.3.0-3
  Version table:
 *** 1.3.0-3 0
500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Thanks for the info.

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Re: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[Joey Hess]

David Jarvie wrote:
> Permissions on root directories: all have as a minimum, 755. /tmp/ 
> and /var/tmp have 777. 

Have you checked the permissions of / ? Having it not world readable can
definitly cause this problem.

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Re: ipw2100 WEP with Debian Unstable

[Jesus Arocho]

On Sunday 19 March 2006 08:24, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> I had a similar experience with the ipw2200.  It works well (in
> testing) as long as you are willing to compile a custom kernel and
> move (or delete if you like to live dangerously) the module directory
> when you recompile.
>
> MS
>
> On 3/16/06, Bill Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:40:11 +1100
> >
> > Paul Dwerryhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:20:23PM -0800, Bill Thompson wrote:
> > > > I have tried the built-in kernel modules and the source packages for
> > > > ieee80211-modules v.1.1.6-2 and ipw2100-modules v.1.1.3A.
> > > > Has anyone been able to get WEP working with the Debian packaged
> > > > ipw2100 driver?
> > >
> > > Yep, it works fine for me; it accepts the exact command that you
> > > specific without any errors:
> >
> > For the archives, I found where my problem was. An earlier version of
> > the 2.6.15 kernel package had a problem with the ieee80211-module that
> > prevented WEP use. As newer versions of the linux-image package were
> > installed I forgot to move the module directory. Although I was running
> > linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v.2.6.15-8, the module directory I was using
> > was from linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v.2.6.15-2. Once I moved the module
> > directory and reinstalled the kernal package WEP began working fine.
> >
> > The moral of the story is to ALWAYS move your module directory before
> > upgrading the kernel.
> >
> > --
> > Bill Thompson
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am trying to get an Inspiron 6000's WIFI to work under Debian and am trying 
to compile the ieee and ipw2200 modules.  Make complains of missing kernel 
files in /lib/modules.../build.  I have an Ubuntu install.  The install does 
not include the kernel sources or headers, 2.6.12-10, but when I try to do 
apt-get, apt-get returns packages not found.  I cannot find 2.6.12-10 in 
debian or Ubuntu mirrors.  I am new to debian installs, from Mandriva, and 
was somewhat surprised at what was not included in the basic install.


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Re: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[Michael Spang]

David Jarvie wrote:

>My system (debian testing) has suddenly stopped letting ordinary users log 
>on. Root can still function normally, but any other user receives the above 
>message whenever they try to log on. I have done some investigation into 
>the problem, and can rule out the following causes: 
> 
>bash corruption: I have reinstalled bash, libc6 and libncurses5. Plus, the 
>same problem occurs with /bin/csh. 
> 
>/etc/passwd and /etc/group look fine. 
> 
>Permissions on root directories: all have as a minimum, 755. /tmp/ 
>and /var/tmp have 777. 
> 
>Permissions on /home directories: all are owned by the respective user, and 
>have 755 permissions. 
> 
>Disk space: plenty of space on all volumes. 
> 
>Permissions on libraries used by /bin/bash: I did a 'ldd /bin/bash': 
>linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xe000) 
>libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xb7f43000) 
>libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f3f000) 
>libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e09000) 
>/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f9c000) 
>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 Feb 18 10:35 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 -> 
>libdl-2.3.5.so 
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root 9592 Feb  6 23:39 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.3.5.so 
>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 Mar 19 17:46 /lib/libncurses.so.5 -> 
>libncurses.so.5.5 
>-rw-r--r--  1 root root 268396 Oct 14 22:21 /lib/libncurses.so.5.5 
>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 Feb 18 10:35 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 -> 
>libc-2.3.5.so 
>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1262704 Feb  6 
>23:39 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.5.so 
>lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 11 Mar 19 17:44 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.5.so 
>-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 88168 Feb  6 23:38 /lib/ld-2.3.5.so 
> 
> 
>Other libraries in /lib: not sure what their permissions should be. 
> 
>The output of 'strace su david -c /bin/bash' is attached. Perhaps somebody 
>who understands it can comment. 
> 
>Any ideas for fixing this would be extremely welcome. 
> 
>  
>
What are the permissions on /dev/log and /etc/localtime? These are the
two files that the strace reveals bash as being denied access to. Here
are those files on my system:

$ ls -lLh /etc/localtime /dev/log
srw-rw-rw- 1 root root0 2006-03-16 23:01 /dev/log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.3K 2006-03-01 21:16 /etc/localtime

Michael Spang


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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[loos]

Em Dom, 2006-03-19 às 12:50 -0500, Leonid Grinberg escreveu:
> Hello,
> 
> I must say that I love Debian. It is an amazing system that has never
> failed me, and, although we had our ups and downs, continues to serve
> me loyally and fully.
> 
> But there is one thing that annoys me about it, and that is how long a
> package needs to be tested for, before it gets verified as not
> dangerous. I use Testing, myself, and am annoyed by a few things. I
> used to hate the Debian Firefox package, because it took so long to
> get updated. Eventually, I removed it, and I now use the
> Mozilla-supplied program, something that I highly recommend. But what
> really bugs me is GNOME. Debian finally supplied GNOME 2.12 in Testing
> about a month before GNOME 2.14 came out. And it is harder to replace,
> because in order to use the code from gnome.org, one needs to
> recompile it and then set it up by hand, something that I feel I am
> not qualified to do.
> 
> Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
> unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
> and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
> expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
> it?

Unstable is very unstable:
  On average my desktops need some 300MB updates/week.

The unstability of unstable is related to the rate of change, 
not to the reliability of individual packages, or incompatilities
between packages.
I don't remember any crashes in the last 10 years.

I saw a lot of difficulties to install/upgrade a specific package, 
but usually this can be solved and the feedback is quite apreciated.

In the case of incompatibilities between packages, the solution comes
much faster than in testing, specially if you help to find it.

Michel.

Looking for a Debian Sarge installer ISO with megaraid...

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Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

[David Jarvie]

My system (debian testing) has suddenly stopped letting ordinary users log 
on. Root can still function normally, but any other user receives the above 
message whenever they try to log on. I have done some investigation into 
the problem, and can rule out the following causes: 
 
bash corruption: I have reinstalled bash, libc6 and libncurses5. Plus, the 
same problem occurs with /bin/csh. 
 
/etc/passwd and /etc/group look fine. 
 
Permissions on root directories: all have as a minimum, 755. /tmp/ 
and /var/tmp have 777. 
 
Permissions on /home directories: all are owned by the respective user, and 
have 755 permissions. 
 
Disk space: plenty of space on all volumes. 
 
Permissions on libraries used by /bin/bash: I did a 'ldd /bin/bash': 
linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xe000) 
libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xb7f43000) 
libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f3f000) 
libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7e09000) 
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f9c000) 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 Feb 18 10:35 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 -> 
libdl-2.3.5.so 
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 9592 Feb  6 23:39 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.3.5.so 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 Mar 19 17:46 /lib/libncurses.so.5 -> 
libncurses.so.5.5 
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 268396 Oct 14 22:21 /lib/libncurses.so.5.5 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 Feb 18 10:35 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 -> 
libc-2.3.5.so 
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1262704 Feb  6 
23:39 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.5.so 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 11 Mar 19 17:44 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.5.so 
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 88168 Feb  6 23:38 /lib/ld-2.3.5.so 
 
 
Other libraries in /lib: not sure what their permissions should be. 
 
The output of 'strace su david -c /bin/bash' is attached. Perhaps somebody 
who understands it can comment. 
 
Any ideas for fixing this would be extremely welcome. 
 
-- 
David Jarvie. 
 


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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Paul Scott]

kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:


Leonid Grinberg wrote:


Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
it?
 

The main point of unstability in unstable distribution is the 
randomness. No one knows when it breaks until it happens.


The answer depends on how frequently do you plan to upgrade? how many 
packages do you have installed? what kind of packages do you use? How 
close are we for the next stable release? (alignment of planets in the 
solar system :-) )


If you upgrade unstable on a daily basis, there is a high probability 
that it breaks on a daily basis.


If you upgrade it on a monthly basis, then there is a high probability 
that it breaks on a monthly basis and stays broken until the next 
upgrade etc.,


The key to run a successful unstable distribution is to not upgrade 
your system once you are satisfied with the current state of affairs.


I can't agree at all.  I upgrade (selectively with aptitude and 
apt-listbugs) daily and have only been seriously caught twice in at 
least three years on several machines.


Paul


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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Leonid Grinberg wrote:


Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
it?
 

The main point of unstability in unstable distribution is the 
randomness. No one knows when it breaks until it happens.


The answer depends on how frequently do you plan to upgrade? how many 
packages do you have installed? what kind of packages do you use? How 
close are we for the next stable release? (alignment of planets in the 
solar system :-) )


If you upgrade unstable on a daily basis, there is a high probability 
that it breaks on a daily basis.


If you upgrade it on a monthly basis, then there is a high probability 
that it breaks on a monthly basis and stays broken until the next 
upgrade etc.,


The key to run a successful unstable distribution is to not upgrade your 
system once you are satisfied with the current state of affairs.


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Re: How unstable is Unstable?

[Paul Scott]

Leonid Grinberg wrote:


Hello,

I must say that I love Debian. It is an amazing system that has never
failed me, and, although we had our ups and downs, continues to serve
me loyally and fully.

But there is one thing that annoys me about it, and that is how long a
package needs to be tested for, before it gets verified as not
dangerous. I use Testing, myself, and am annoyed by a few things. I
used to hate the Debian Firefox package, because it took so long to
get updated. Eventually, I removed it, and I now use the
Mozilla-supplied program, something that I highly recommend. But what
really bugs me is GNOME. Debian finally supplied GNOME 2.12 in Testing
about a month before GNOME 2.14 came out. And it is harder to replace,
because in order to use the code from gnome.org, one needs to
recompile it and then set it up by hand, something that I feel I am
not qualified to do.

Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
it?
 

If you use install apt-listbugs and pay attention you will probably have 
no problems.  sid certainly won't crash unless you install something 
with severe bugs.  In over three years of running sid on several I have 
only been seriously caught twice and one of those was before knowing 
about apt-listbugs.


Paul Scott


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Re: Subversion 1.3.x Debian pkgs?

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Matt England wrote:
> I attempted to apt-get a Subversion 1.3.0 Debian package a few days ago
> (via an 'experimental' package base) and failed due to dependencies on
> updated libapr and other stuff that was apparently not ready.
> 
They are already in unstable.

> Has anybody been able to update Subversion 1.3.0 via Debian package
> management?  Or can anyone point out how to do so?
> 
> An aside: if I build svn 1.3.x from source, does Debian or any 3rd-party
> util provide some means to turn said build into a Debian package (as in
> .deb)?  I know of a utility called 'checkinstall' to create rpms on
> redhat...I think...but I'm looking for anything similar on Debian.
> 

You can also use checkinstall to create a .deb package.  However, I have
1.3.0 running on Sarge by backporting.  The only significant change I
had to make was to modify the rules file to build with the Sun JVM (the
whole reason I needed 1.3.0 was for a working JavaHL.

Checkout my HOWTO:

http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize

> I suspect this is a faq; I have yet to find an answer.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> 
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Re: i want spam

[steef]

Peter Teunissen wrote:


On 19-mrt-2006, at 1:17, Sara Baker wrote:


i want spam!!! please send me as much spam as possible


You've com to the right place, many posters can at least supply you 
with some nice spam from uol.com.br! But maybe you could amuse us some 
more by elaborating of the intended use of our precious spam 
collections? :-)


(sorry, couldn't resist :-)

Peter


no sorry at all. gave me a good laugh, this thread

thank you!

steef

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How unstable is Unstable?

[Leonid Grinberg]

Hello,

I must say that I love Debian. It is an amazing system that has never
failed me, and, although we had our ups and downs, continues to serve
me loyally and fully.

But there is one thing that annoys me about it, and that is how long a
package needs to be tested for, before it gets verified as not
dangerous. I use Testing, myself, and am annoyed by a few things. I
used to hate the Debian Firefox package, because it took so long to
get updated. Eventually, I removed it, and I now use the
Mozilla-supplied program, something that I highly recommend. But what
really bugs me is GNOME. Debian finally supplied GNOME 2.12 in Testing
about a month before GNOME 2.14 came out. And it is harder to replace,
because in order to use the code from gnome.org, one needs to
recompile it and then set it up by hand, something that I feel I am
not qualified to do.

Unstable, I know, does not have this problem. So I am wondering, how
unstable is it? I might be getting a new computer within a few months,
and am considering installing Debian Unstable on it. But what should I
expect? Will it crash a few times a month, or a day? How much work is
it?

Thank you very much!

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Re: System hangs at boot

[Luis R Finotti]

> --- Luis R Finotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Leo Britto wrote:
>>
>>>Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>I have a Debian Sarge 2.6.8 running on my laptop
>>
>>and I
>>
>>>finally got my wireless adapter to work. But when
>>
>>I
>>
>>>reboot it I just cant go pass the jabberd startup.
>>>Earlier it was "hanging" on the MTA startup so I
>>>apt-get remove exim4-base and got rid of it just
>>
>>to
>>
>>>find out that the problem is after it.
>>
>>Just an idea: if your wireless card is configure on
>>start up, it might
>>expect an internet connection.  If you don't have
>>connection (or if your
>>router is on, but not connect to the internet), the
>>system will not find
>>a DNS server.  At least for me, this makes the
>>computer hang during the
>>MTA start up (any problem with DNS does), but it
>>does continue after a
>>little while (or not so little -- two minutes,
>>maybe).  It seems to me
>>that that might be the problem.  Maybe you could try
>>to make sure you
>>have connection, disable connection on boot, or wait
>>and see if the
>>start up continues after a little while.
>>
>>HTH,
>>
>>Luis


Hi,

Leo Britto wrote:

Can I ask how I disable the ndiwsrapper from being
loaded at boot time?


I'm not sure, since I've never used it.  You can check if there is any 
file in /etc/init.d/ related to it.  If there is, you can use 
update-rc.d to remove it.  (Check the man page.)



I dont know but I think this
might be the reason. I can boot in single user mode
and when I issue a init 2 my system hangs when it gets
to the services. I tried to disable the services but
it still hangs. I have no idea what can be the cause
of this but the only change I made was the introuction
of the correct wireless driver to ndiswrapper. Maybe
if I can disable it I can get back to boot. What is
odd is if i boot in single user mode I can load the
ndis driver and use it i/o problems. I even removed
exim4 from my system and it still doesnt work. 


I'm not sure removing exim4 is a good idea.  It's part of the base 
system and used to deliver local error messages...  (But I am not sure 
it's really that bad.)


So, is ndiwsrapper a module?  If so, check /etc/modules.  You can try to 
comment it out.



I also tried the other suggestion to let it hanged for
a while. I waited for 5 minutes and nothing.

I also tried to boot it many times w/o hope.


Hmm...  Did you look at /etc/network/interfaces?  If, say eth1 is your 
wireless card, is there a "auto eth1" in it?  If so, you can try to 
remove it, but I am not sure that that will help anymore...



Have any suggestions?


That's all I have for now. (I'm *really* not a guru...) :-)

HTH,

Luis


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Re: System hangs at boot

[Leo Britto]

Can I ask how I disable the ndiwsrapper from being
loaded at boot time? I dont know but I think this
might be the reason. I can boot in single user mode
and when I issue a init 2 my system hangs when it gets
to the services. I tried to disable the services but
it still hangs. I have no idea what can be the cause
of this but the only change I made was the introuction
of the correct wireless driver to ndiswrapper. Maybe
if I can disable it I can get back to boot. What is
odd is if i boot in single user mode I can load the
ndis driver and use it i/o problems. I even removed
exim4 from my system and it still doesnt work. 

I also tried the other suggestion to let it hanged for
a while. I waited for 5 minutes and nothing.

I also tried to boot it many times w/o hope.

Have any suggestions?

Thanks for the replies,

--- Luis R Finotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Leo Britto wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I have a Debian Sarge 2.6.8 running on my laptop
> and I
> > finally got my wireless adapter to work. But when
> I
> > reboot it I just cant go pass the jabberd startup.
> > Earlier it was "hanging" on the MTA startup so I
> > apt-get remove exim4-base and got rid of it just
> to
> > find out that the problem is after it.
> 
> Just an idea: if your wireless card is configure on
> start up, it might 
> expect an internet connection.  If you don't have
> connection (or if your 
> router is on, but not connect to the internet), the
> system will not find 
> a DNS server.  At least for me, this makes the
> computer hang during the 
> MTA start up (any problem with DNS does), but it
> does continue after a 
> little while (or not so little -- two minutes,
> maybe).  It seems to me 
> that that might be the problem.  Maybe you could try
> to make sure you 
> have connection, disable connection on boot, or wait
> and see if the 
> start up continues after a little while.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Luis
> 
> 
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Re: Problem accessing CPAN

[IvorW]

Leoncini Xavier wrote:


I have a strange error while trying to access cpan.
I cannot figure what is wrong.
When i execute 
"perl -MCPAN -e shell"

I get
"Cannot do `initialize' in Term::ReadLine::Gnu at /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm 
line 105"
I upgraded perl modules and perl to the latest in sid with still the same 
results.

Any idea on how to fix this.
Thanks in advance.
Xavier
 


Have you checked which version of the lib-readline modules you have?
(This library is external to perl)

I suggest trying the following:

apt-get install libterm-readline-gnu-perl

If this doesnt work, I suggest posting to one of the Perl mailing lists 
or forums, such as http://perlmonks.org


Hope this helps,

Ivor.


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Re: Subversion 1.3.x Debian pkgs?

[Michael Marsh]

On 3/19/06, Matt England <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I attempted to apt-get a Subversion 1.3.0 Debian package a few days ago
> (via an 'experimental' package base) and failed due to dependencies on
> updated libapr and other stuff that was apparently not ready.
>
> Has anybody been able to update Subversion 1.3.0 via Debian package
> management?  Or can anyone point out how to do so?

Why are you trying to get a version from experimental?  With sid, I have:

$ apt-cache policy subversion
subversion:
  Installed: 1.3.0-3
  Candidate: 1.3.0-3
  Version table:
 *** 1.3.0-3 0
500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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Subversion 1.3.x Debian pkgs?

[Matt England]

I attempted to apt-get a Subversion 1.3.0 Debian package a few days ago 
(via an 'experimental' package base) and failed due to dependencies on 
updated libapr and other stuff that was apparently not ready.


Has anybody been able to update Subversion 1.3.0 via Debian package 
management?  Or can anyone point out how to do so?


An aside: if I build svn 1.3.x from source, does Debian or any 3rd-party 
util provide some means to turn said build into a Debian package (as in 
.deb)?  I know of a utility called 'checkinstall' to create rpms on 
redhat...I think...but I'm looking for anything similar on Debian.


I suspect this is a faq; I have yet to find an answer.

-Matt


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Re: dist-upgrade problem

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 08:40:01PM +0100, goofy wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> During the boot process the BIOS begins by scanning the available  
> disks/drives, etc.  Since the machine is setup to boot from a floppy first  
> and then a drive, I receive the following (there's no boot floppy in the  
> drive):
> 
> Searching for Boot Record from Floppy...Not Found
> Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK
> 
> LI
> 
> 
> That's all.  Before the dist-upgrade, the "LI" string above used to print  
> out "LINUX Kernel loading..." and then would begin booting the kernel.   
> Now it doesn't do that.  That's why I'm thinking something must be corrupt  
> with the MBR because it is finding the disk.
> 
> There are 2 disks setup as master/slave.  The master is IDE-0 and the  
> slave is IDE-1, so it's trying to boot from the correct disk.
> 
> Any suggestions are appreciated :-)
Hi anonymous user 'goofy',
a common approach is to have a utility cd aka live cd like knoppix.
Which this in a cd drive, you would boot to run level 2 or the gui if
you like. From there you would use 'chroot' to access the root partition
of the drive and make sure to hand-mount the root partition so that it
is 'rw'.  once you are at the new root prompt, you can reissue the
appropriate lilo or grub command. This is sometimes all that is needed.
cheers,
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Re: OpenOffice.Org and Icewm workspaces

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 08:56:14PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
> I use OpenOffice.Org and icewm.  With OOo 2.0.1-5 and icewm 1.2.25-1
> (up-to-date Etch system), I just tried to move all open windows relating to
> a particular project to a workspace of their own (#3) while I worked on
> them.
> 
> Whenever I move the mouse over an oowriter window, or use keyboard shortcuts
> to act on menus (e.g. Alt-F, followed by any other key) the viewport is
> suddenly back on Workspace #1!  At first blush, this only happens if the OOo
> document has an automatically-created mailto: link in it.  Any activity
> while that link is showing teleports you back to Workspace #1.  It's quite
> jarring.
> 
> No such bug is reported for openoffice.org, and I am NOT going to check
> every one of the over 100 (!) other packages listed on the OOo bug bage.
> 
> No such bug reported for icewm either.
> 
> Restarting OOo and icewem did not resolve this problem. Am I doing something
> wrong?  I'll bug-report this if nobody demurs fairly soon.
Hi Carl,
so you have different workspaces open with one instance of OO open. You
do something to create mouse movement or key strokes and these actions
are sent to OO, it then has to figure out which window to apply these
action to. OO does not seem to 'know' that you are in workspace #3 and
thus applys it to #1. This sounds like a problem with OO not recognizing
workspaces? Or is the window you are working on not  'selected'?
Cheers,
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Re: ndiswrapper for the best distro?

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 08:58:17PM +, Doofus wrote:
> 
> In this case it hadn't occured to me for a second that something as
> impure as a wrapper for a windows device driver would be found in the
> debian package repository so I didn't even look. I'll be more
> open-minded in future.

Hi Doofus,
you are half-right, while debian does strive for 100% free software,
there still exists other subdivisions in debian: contrib and non-free.
There are debates as to where some software go and whether these should
be part of debian but they are still there. ndiswapper according to some
'depends upon' non-free software (the windows drivers) and thus could be
put into 'contrib'. If your sources.list only has 'main', you would not
have access to these.
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Re: 2.6 debian boot floppies?

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 03:24:40PM -0500, Nathan Merritt wrote:
> I've recently been trying to install Debian on an old ThinkPad. The
> laptop has an external floppy drive but no CD drives or USB ports.
> Unfortunately, the driver I need to use for my wireless card does not
> agree with 2.4 series kernels so I haven't had any luck getting the
> install past the third boot floppy.
> 
> I was wondering where I might find a 2.6.x boot floppy. I've looked
> around on the net and there seem to be many 2.6 netinstall images but
> no recent boot floppies...
Hi Nathan,
other folks have told me about thinkwiki.org, IIRC, as a place for hints
on installing gnu/linux on thinkpads. I would remove the hard drive, get
a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter (about 5 USD or euros) and find a desktop machine
and install the basic os with that and then put it back into the laptop.
With out a cdrom or usb port, options are a bit tougher. Maybe see if
anyone can loan you a pcmcia cdrom or see if you can find a local linux
user group (LUG) that is having an installfest. They are great fun!
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Re: dist-upgrade problem

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:40:01 +0100
goofy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> During the boot process the BIOS begins by scanning the available  
> disks/drives, etc.  Since the machine is setup to boot from a floppy first  
> and then a drive, I receive the following (there's no boot floppy in the  
> drive):
> 
> Searching for Boot Record from Floppy...Not Found
> Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK
> 
> LI
> 
> 
> That's all.  Before the dist-upgrade, the "LI" string above used to print  
> out "LINUX Kernel loading..." and then would begin booting the kernel.   
> Now it doesn't do that.  That's why I'm thinking something must be corrupt  
> with the MBR because it is finding the disk.

IIRC the 'LI' is from LILO and you will find in lilo's docs what it means if it 
stops like that.

HTH
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Re: i want spam

[Chance Platt]

On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 08:01 -0800, Hex Star wrote:
> Well by her signing up to this list and posting to it, since her
> address isn't obfuscated in the archives she's now one step closer to
> getting spam ;-) :P...and if she really wants spam, she can google my
> email address and sign up for the services that come up, and post to
> them with her email address and she'll be sure to get lots of spam
> because the combination of places I've been to seem to have really
> brought in the spam 
> 
> On 3/19/06, Peter Teunissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 19-mrt-2006, at 1:17, Sara Baker wrote:
> 
> > i want spam!!! please send me as much spam as possible 
> 
> 
> You've com to the right place, many posters can at least
> supply you with some nice spam from uol.com.br! But maybe you
> could amuse us some more by elaborating of the intended use of
> our precious spam collections? :-)
> 
> 
> (sorry, couldn't resist :-)
> 
> 
> Peter

Interestingly, I read a piece once about a gentleman trying to get his
email address spammed.  He did everything -- signed up on the
mailinglists, gave the address to porn websites, .. everything.

He received no spam.  Turns out, his email address included the string
"spam" in it, and it made the email address nearly immune to receiving
it (evidently, spam distribution is smart enough to search for it).  

So if I were attempting to get my email address spammed, methinks I
would do everything to actually avoid use of the string "spam".

chance



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Re: ready to use debian or ubuntu laptop reccomendations?

[Chris Metzler]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 23:47:59 -0800
Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 04 March 2006 22:29, Star King of the Grape Trees wrote:
> > steef wrote:
> > > Michael M. wrote:
> > >> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday 02 March 2006 01:20, Star King of the Grape Trees
> > >>> wrote:
> >  I am very certain that Dell does sell servers that optionally
> >  have Linux, and even says this on their website.
> >
> > 
> > NOTE: Servers != Desktop.  I have not seen _any_ reference to a dell
> > _desktop_ computer comming preinstalled with linux, but i have seen
> > references on dell for *SERVERS* with linux.
> 
> Either way, they still do not offer it, despite indications on their
> website to the contrary.


This is an couple-weeks-old thread, but just to clarify -- Dell has in
the past sold servers with Linux installed through their website.  I know
this because a year ago I bought several from them for a small business
I was doing some work for.  I bought them through their website, I
chose RHEL as the OS through a customization page, they came with RHEL
installed and with the RHEL disks/material accompanying, and there were
no problems whatsoever.  

That said, those customization options no longer seem available on the
relevant purchase pages.

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Re: i want spam

[Hex Star]

Well by her signing up to this list and posting to it, since her address isn't obfuscated in the archives she's now one step closer to getting spam ;-) :P...and if she really wants spam, she can google my email address and sign up for the services that come up, and post to them with her email address and she'll be sure to get lots of spam because the combination of places I've been to seem to have really brought in the spam
On 3/19/06, Peter Teunissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 19-mrt-2006, at 1:17, Sara Baker wrote:i want spam!!! please send me as much spam as possible 
You've com to the right place, many posters can at least supply you with some nice spam from 
uol.com.br! But maybe you could amuse us some more by elaborating of the intended use of our precious spam collections? :-)(sorry, couldn't resist :-)
Peter

Re: i want spam

[Peter Teunissen]

On 19-mrt-2006, at 1:17, Sara Baker wrote:i want spam!!! please send me as much spam as possible You've com to the right place, many posters can at least supply you with some nice spam from uol.com.br! But maybe you could amuse us some more by elaborating of the intended use of our precious spam collections? :-)(sorry, couldn't resist :-)Peter

Problem accessing CPAN

[Leoncini Xavier]

I have a strange error while trying to access cpan.
I cannot figure what is wrong.
When i execute 
"perl -MCPAN -e shell"
I get
"Cannot do `initialize' in Term::ReadLine::Gnu at /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm 
line 105"
I upgraded perl modules and perl to the latest in sid with still the same 
results.
Any idea on how to fix this.
Thanks in advance.
Xavier


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Re: System hangs at boot

[Luis R Finotti]

Hi,

Leo Britto wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a Debian Sarge 2.6.8 running on my laptop and I
finally got my wireless adapter to work. But when I
reboot it I just cant go pass the jabberd startup.
Earlier it was "hanging" on the MTA startup so I
apt-get remove exim4-base and got rid of it just to
find out that the problem is after it.


Just an idea: if your wireless card is configure on start up, it might 
expect an internet connection.  If you don't have connection (or if your 
router is on, but not connect to the internet), the system will not find 
a DNS server.  At least for me, this makes the computer hang during the 
MTA start up (any problem with DNS does), but it does continue after a 
little while (or not so little -- two minutes, maybe).  It seems to me 
that that might be the problem.  Maybe you could try to make sure you 
have connection, disable connection on boot, or wait and see if the 
start up continues after a little while.


HTH,

Luis


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Re: Detaching X proxy

[Björn Lindström]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Björn Lindström):

> I find myself in need of a detachable X proxy. (To be able to do
> Screen-like detaching of remote X programs.)
>
> Since web resources about this seems scarce, I was hoping that someone
> could summarise the free alternatives available, and maybe recommend
> one.

I'm now playing around with xmove. I'm getting it to work, but it's
_much_ slower than running an X application from the same server with
SSH forwarding.

Are there any tricks to speed xmove up that I should be aware of?


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Re: udev can't create /dev/audio (nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler)

[Hendrik Sattler]

SZERVÁC Attila wrote:
>  Problem: udev can't create /dev/audio

Why should it? see below
 
>  however creates it in .static

No, nothing is created in .static just as its name says

>  please, help, what can i do ?

How about installing the alsa packages and loading the proper driver? The most 
sensible thing to do, isn't it?

HS 

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Re: Best Linux Laptop

[Manaen Schlabach]

You might want to consider walking into the store with a Knoppix boot
CD/DVD and booting the laptop with Knoppix.  If it works you know the
hardware will be supported by Linux.  It may or may not be supported
by Debian though since Knoppix uses Redhat based hardware detection
support .

On 3/13/06, Michael Schurter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know I've seen lots of posts on this before, so I'm sorry for asking
> the same questions over and over.
>
> Someone just asked me what the ideal laptop would be to purchase to
> install Debian Linux onto.  The main thing is WiFi support and good
> quality.  Don't need lots of storage or a super fast processor, but
> basic 3D support would be nice.
>
> I've seen lots of posts on here about wireless cards not working, so
> thats what I'm the most concerned about.
>
> I've heard of lots of people running Linux on IBM Thinkpads, but I can't
> seem to purchase one from Lenovo without Windows.
>
> Do any of the major laptop manufactures sell laptops without OSes installed?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Michael Schurter
>
> (For those who care these laptops will be donated to a school in
> Venezuela through the company I work for.)
>
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Re: ipw2100 WEP with Debian Unstable

[Manaen Schlabach]

I had a similar experience with the ipw2200.  It works well (in
testing) as long as you are willing to compile a custom kernel and
move (or delete if you like to live dangerously) the module directory
when you recompile.

MS

On 3/16/06, Bill Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:40:11 +1100
> Paul Dwerryhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:20:23PM -0800, Bill Thompson wrote:
> > > I have tried the built-in kernel modules and the source packages for
> > > ieee80211-modules v.1.1.6-2 and ipw2100-modules v.1.1.3A.
> > > Has anyone been able to get WEP working with the Debian packaged
> > > ipw2100 driver?
> >
> > Yep, it works fine for me; it accepts the exact command that you
> > specific without any errors:
>
> For the archives, I found where my problem was. An earlier version of
> the 2.6.15 kernel package had a problem with the ieee80211-module that
> prevented WEP use. As newer versions of the linux-image package were
> installed I forgot to move the module directory. Although I was running
> linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v.2.6.15-8, the module directory I was using
> was from linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 v.2.6.15-2. Once I moved the module 
> directory and reinstalled the kernal package WEP began working fine.
>
> The moral of the story is to ALWAYS move your module directory before 
> upgrading the kernel.
>
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>
>

Detaching X proxy

[Björn Lindström]

I find myself in need of a detachable X proxy. (To be able to do
Screen-like detaching of remote X programs.)

Since web resources about this seems scarce, I was hoping that someone
could summarise the free alternatives available, and maybe recommend
one.


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Re: USB Card Reader.

[Wulfy]

Thanks to all who answered.  Much appreciated!

Joachim Fahnenmüller wrote:


The driver is usb-storage and is loaded automatically as your syslog says.
It creates devices /dev/sda , sdb, sdc and sdd for the different types of cards.
So you should try (as root)
mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/card
and the same with sdb, sdc, sdd (or maybe sda1 etc.) until you have found the
right one for your type of card.

Later, you can create an appropriate entry in /etc/fstab .
 

(...) 
   



HTH


Progress!  well, some.

I did "mkdir /media/card" so that there'd be a directory there to attach to.

I tried each of the possibilities:

mount -t vfat /dev/sd[a-d] /media/card

Mount told me that a, b and d had no media but c gave me an error message:


Yewdales-lodge:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /media/card
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,
   missing codepage or other error
   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
   dmesg | tail  or so


I looked at dmesg | tail:

scsi2: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 2, CDB: Read (10) 00 00 00 00 06 
00 00 02 00

Current sdc: sense key Medium Error
Additional sense: Unrecovered read error
end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 6
Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 0
 unable to read partition table
FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.
FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.


I also tried Duncan's suggestion of mounting /dev/sdc1.


Yewdales-lodge:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/card
mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist


Two things come to mind.  Either the card uses some other fs type or 
I've lost all the pictures on it  :(  Of course, I'm not sure what 
the dmsg error message means precisely, but "unable to read partition 
table" sounds bad.  That doesn't depend on the fs, does it?


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udev can't create /dev/audio (nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler)

[SZERVÁC Attila]

 Hi, I've installed beta2.

 Problem: udev can't create /dev/audio

 however creates it in .static

 This is an intagrated card.

 (I've installed pciutils)

 lspci:

 :00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97
Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)

 please, help, what can i do ?


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Re: Poster to this lists email address not obfuscated? If so it makes this list a heaven for spam bots...:-(

[Florian Kulzer]

s. keeling wrote:

Incoming from Florian Kulzer:


s. keeling wrote:


[...]


Consider joining my (ad hoc) "Poison The Well" project:

http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html


Maybe I misunderstand what you are doing, but aren't you increasing the
spam load for people whose real email addresses are used/forged as the
sender address by the spammers? How do you make sure not to include any
addresses of legitimate users in your list?



They're already being used.  I receive spam addressed from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which doesn't surprise me.  "My posting them ...
isn't going to let any cats out of any bags that aren't already out."


I am not so sure about that. I get a lot of spam, which means that some
spammers - let us call them A, B, C, and D - have my email address in
their database. Now if one of them sends you spam with my address as the
forged sender, my email address will end up on public display on one
more web page, your "Poison The Well" project page. This in turn
increases the chances that spammers E, F, ..., Z will also find my email
address and I will get even more spam than before. I think what you are
doing is harmful and bordering on being an accessory to email address
harvesters. As one of my sibling posters has already pointed out, it
also does not do anything to slow down the spammers or to improve the
efficiency of spam filters.


I'll happily remove any entry from the list when requested, and so far
I've not received any such request.  I'm just trying to increase the
noise in their S/N ratio, that's all.


But how would people know that they should contact you to have their
email address removed from the list? How are they supposed to know about
the existence of the list in the first place? There is no way of telling
how a given spammer has found your email address, but it is clear that
any additional exposure on public web pages is a bad thing.

I really think you should stop doing this. If you want to poison the
spammers' databases you should use an email honeypot of randomly
generated garbage addresses. I recall seeing quite sophisticated
implementations of this, in which an "invisible" (for normal users) link
on a webpage leads email harvesting robots into a maze of dynamically
generated bogus pages full of thousands of useless email addresses.
(Unfortunately I do not have a link ready for this.)

Regards,
  Florian


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Re: System hangs at boot

[Robert Brockway]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Leo Britto wrote:


Hi everyone,

I have a Debian Sarge 2.6.8 running on my laptop and I
finally got my wireless adapter to work. But when I
reboot it I just cant go pass the jabberd startup.
Earlier it was "hanging" on the MTA startup so I
apt-get remove exim4-base and got rid of it just to
find out that the problem is after it.

WhenI boot in the "safe mode" (no services i guess) I
can get to the bash w/o problems, start my wireless
and use it.

How can I found what is causing this problem?


I setup one Sarge laptop with a D-Link wireless card[1] using ndiswrapper 
where booting with 2.6.8-2-686 (kernel compile for the right cpu type) 
fails to load some of the relevant drivers while the default 2.6.8-2-386 
works.  I didn't get time to investigate throughly and just dropped it 
back to the -386 kernel.  It's been working beatifully.  If relevant, see 
if this helps.


[1] I don't have the model available to me right now.

Rob

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Re: USB Card Reader.

[Neil Dugan]

Duncan Anderson wrote:

On Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:36, Wulfy wrote:


My camera usually links to the computer through the serial port.  As I
have my modem in there, it's a major pain to get the camera connected.
So I decided to get a USB card reader to solve the problem.

I plugged it into one of my USB ports and it's recognised:






I can't figure out how to mount my camera card.  I plug it in and the
reader acknowledges it but nothing seems to work when I try and mount.
So I googled and went to the site of the manufacturer Vivanco.
Progress...  they say it needs a driver. (Does it? Syslog says /dev/sd*
are being created.)  MAC OSX, MSWindows in various flavours...  no Linux
driver.  No mention of Linux...  :(

Am I missing something very obvious or is there something like
ndiswrapper that would work with the driver?  I thought that would until
I read the man page...  :(




Try mounting /dev/sdc1 with a file system type of vfat.

cheers
Duncan



have a look at the output of dmesg just after plug in the flash card. 
That should tell you want device you need to mount.


If you can't work it out try posting the lines that get added to the 
dmesg output by plug in the flash card, and someone should be able to 
tell you what's going on.


You could always get a USB->Serial adapter then your computer would have 
two serial ports 1 for the modem, 1 for the camera.


Regards Neil.


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