Re: Weird Upgrade procedure - Debian Testing.

[Steve!]

It'll be upgrading a heap of files, so, it'll delete the old ones (225.5MB 
of old ones) and download the new ones (227MB), Hope 'm explaining this 
right, I've had no sleep!


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From: "Amit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Weird Upgrade procedure - Debian Testing.




While trying to upgrade my Debian Testing system, it shows me a horde of
packages that could be upgraded. But take a look at the bottom of this 
output
where it mentions the size et al. The size of the _to_be_fetched_ packages 
is

227MB, while it is gonna use around 1.5MB of disk-space??

Kinda weird..I don't understand. I would simply download the single 1.5MB
Package, right?

Anybody experiencing similar problems?

I tried the same with aptitude, with the same results.




debian:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
 amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine gnupg
The following packages will be upgraded:
 apt-listbugs bootsplash-theme-debian bsdutils cdrdao console-common
console-data dash dbus dctrl-tools dictionaries-common discover1
 discover1-data dvd+rw-tools exim4 exim4-base exim4-config 
exim4-daemon-light

gettext-base gnome-mime-data grep grep-dctrl grub hdparm
 iptables kappfinder kate kcontrol kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data
kdebase-kio-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdepasswd kdeprint
 kdesktop kdm kfind khelpcenter kicker klibc-utils klipper kmenuedit
konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete kpager kpersonalizer
 ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd ktip ktorrent kwin 
libavahi-client3

libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3
 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-qt3-1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common
libdbus-1-3 libdbus-glib-1-2 libdiscover1 libgl1-mesa-dri
 libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common
libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libhttp-access2-ruby1.8 libklibc libkonq4
 libkrb53 libmysqlclient15off libneon26 libsmbclient libsoup2.2-8 libsvga1
libsysfs2 libtunepimp3 libvolume-id0 libx11-6 libx11-data mdadm
 mkisofs modconf mount mysql-client mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common
mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 nano openoffice.org openoffice.org-base
 openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core
openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common
 openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-writer python-central python-support
python-uno svgalibg1 ttf-dejavu ttf-opensymbol udev update-inetd
 util-linux w32codecs wodim x-window-system-core x11-common xorg 
xserver-xorg

xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev
 xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-mga xutils
126 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 227MB of archives.
After unpacking 1412kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.



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Re: disable tooltips in etch

[Russell L. Harris]

* Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061122 00:52]:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 02:02:45PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > I have been unable to discover how to disable tooltips in X in Debian
> > Etch.  In particular, I need to disable the rectangular yellow box
> > which appears when the mouse cursor rests upon any of the window
> > selector buttons at the bottom of the screen.  
> 
> AFAIK this is DE/WM specific. Look in the specific options of
> Gnome/KDE, ... For IceWM there are some options in the
> '~.icewm/preferences' file.

I Googled, but all I found was what appears to be a solution for KDE and one for
Gnome with WindowMaker.  

I combed through the gconf tree, but I did not found anything which
appeared to be related.  

The menus simply are too obnoxious and bothersome not to have given
rise to complaints from others also.  After clicking one of the window
selection boxes, the tooltip obscures the portion of the screen in
which new commands are entered in the X-terminal, and the minibuffer
of XEmacs.  In any list of ill-conceived "features", tooltips are near
the top of the list.  

But surely there must be a switch in Gnome or in MetaCity to disable
them?

RLH


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Weird Upgrade procedure - Debian Testing.

[Amit Joshi]

While trying to upgrade my Debian Testing system, it shows me a horde of 
packages that could be upgraded. But take a look at the bottom of this output 
where it mentions the size et al. The size of the _to_be_fetched_ packages is 
227MB, while it is gonna use around 1.5MB of disk-space??

Kinda weird..I don't understand. I would simply download the single 1.5MB 
Package, right?

Anybody experiencing similar problems?

I tried the same with aptitude, with the same results. 




debian:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine gnupg
The following packages will be upgraded:
  apt-listbugs bootsplash-theme-debian bsdutils cdrdao console-common 
console-data dash dbus dctrl-tools dictionaries-common discover1
  discover1-data dvd+rw-tools exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light 
gettext-base gnome-mime-data grep grep-dctrl grub hdparm
  iptables kappfinder kate kcontrol kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data 
kdebase-kio-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdepasswd kdeprint
  kdesktop kdm kfind khelpcenter kicker klibc-utils klipper kmenuedit 
konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete kpager kpersonalizer
  ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd ktip ktorrent kwin libavahi-client3 
libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3
  libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-qt3-1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common 
libdbus-1-3 libdbus-glib-1-2 libdiscover1 libgl1-mesa-dri
  libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common 
libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libhttp-access2-ruby1.8 libklibc libkonq4
  libkrb53 libmysqlclient15off libneon26 libsmbclient libsoup2.2-8 libsvga1 
libsysfs2 libtunepimp3 libvolume-id0 libx11-6 libx11-data mdadm
  mkisofs modconf mount mysql-client mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common 
mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 nano openoffice.org openoffice.org-base
  openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core 
openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common
  openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-writer python-central python-support 
python-uno svgalibg1 ttf-dejavu ttf-opensymbol udev update-inetd
  util-linux w32codecs wodim x-window-system-core x11-common xorg xserver-xorg 
xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev
  xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-mga xutils
126 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 227MB of archives.
After unpacking 1412kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.



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Re: public key warning

[Mirto Silvio Busico]

M-L wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 15:08, Mark Grieveson wrote:
>   
>> Hello.  After a recent upgrade of my Etch, I get the following warning:
>>
>> Fetched 30.2kB in 9s (3350B/s)
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:
>> A70DAF536070D3A1
>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>>
>> What does this mean?  Should I be concerned?  Is anyone else receiving
>> this warning?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark
>> 
>
> I am, and assumed that there was just a glitch with one of the packages 
> signings, or someones ID key being out of date, changed or something similar?
>
> But that could be very wrong.
>
> Be well,
> Charlie
>
>   
Confirmed.
I also get this message on a fresh  (DVD of 4 Nov 2006) installed etch
and a dist-upgrade

Mirto

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Re: How to remove build dependencies ("apt-get build-dep") automatically?

[Deephay]

On 11/22/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 01:33:08PM +0800, Deephay wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> Since I have to add a missed configure option in the debian/rules of a
> package, so I used "apt-get build-dep xxx" and "apt-get source xxx" in
> order to build the package, the  "apt-get build-dep" installed a lot
> of build-dep packages and I want to know that is there a way to purge
> them? They have no further uses and seems they will not be purged
> automatically.
>
> Thanks,
Hi Deephay,
Here is an UNTESTED hack I just made:
apt-get remove $(apt-get --simulate build-dep xxx|grep "^Inst"|awk '{print $2}')
note that it will remove all build-dep of xxx, even in you wanted to
keep any.
Cheers,
Kev

Thanks Kevin, I did not notice there is a --simulate option, that is
helpful, so apt-get cannot handle this job itself?

Cheers,
Deephay

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Re: disable tooltips in etch

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 02:02:45PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I have been unable to discover how to disable tooltips in X in Debian
> Etch.  In particular, I need to disable the rectangular yellow box
> which appears when the mouse cursor rests upon any of the window
> selector buttons at the bottom of the screen.  

AFAIK this is DE/WM specific. Look in the specific options of
Gnome/KDE, ... For IceWM there are some options in the
'~.icewm/preferences' file.

HTH,
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Re: 64 bit downloading and kernel upgrade problem

[Arvind Marathe]

> On 11/21/06, Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> debian got installed without a hitch...and kernel upgrade also worked
>
> Great. Congrats!
>
>> Now to some other issues:
>> 1> auto mounting cd, floppy etc...
>> I created a file /etc/auto.media with the lines:
>
> Here is my /etc/fstab
>
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #
> proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
> /dev/sda1   /   reiserfs notail  0   1
> /dev/sda4   /home   reiserfs defaults0   2
> /dev/sda3   noneswapsw  0   0
> /dev/hdc/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0
>
> And I don't have a /etc/auto.media file. I run KDE and as soon as I
> put CD in the drive or connect a USB mass storage device, it pops a
> window and prompt me what to do with it. GNOME shows the similar
> behaviour.
>
>> 2> Sound problems...
>> cannot get sound working...alsaconf worked fine (but lspci did not catch
>> any sound card). Here is the output for 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound'
>> alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
>> options snd-hda-intel index=0
>
> I have the same lines in my file. By the way, lspci does not show any
> "Audio Device"? That is weird.
>
> By the way, does your normal user is a member of the group "audio"?
> Add that user to this group too and see if it works.

I had already added the normal user as member of group 'audio' but still
it does not work...fyi, lsmod does show the soundcard mentioned in
/etc/modprobe.d/sound but lspci doesn't. Is there anything else i need to
do to get sound working?
Another point: alsa shows me two cards:
hda-intelIntel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/
legacy   Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips

I have selected the first one...is there anyway i can configure to use
both, say, one for skype or gtalk and another one for music, movies etc?
alsa seems to pick up only one for configuration.

Thanks and Regards,
Arvind


>
> regards,
> Nishant
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Re: How to remove build dependencies ("apt-get build-dep") automatically?

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 01:33:08PM +0800, Deephay wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
> Since I have to add a missed configure option in the debian/rules of a
> package, so I used "apt-get build-dep xxx" and "apt-get source xxx" in
> order to build the package, the  "apt-get build-dep" installed a lot
> of build-dep packages and I want to know that is there a way to purge
> them? They have no further uses and seems they will not be purged
> automatically.
> 
> Thanks,
Hi Deephay,
Here is an UNTESTED hack I just made:
apt-get remove $(apt-get --simulate build-dep xxx|grep "^Inst"|awk '{print $2}')
note that it will remove all build-dep of xxx, even in you wanted to
keep any.
Cheers,
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Re: disable tooltips in etch

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

On 11/21/06, Russell L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have been unable to discover how to disable tooltips in X in Debian
Etch.  In particular, I need to disable the rectangular yellow box
which appears when the mouse cursor rests upon any of the window
selector buttons at the bottom of the screen.


I doubt if its possible because that stuff is embedded in code, and
not configurable as far as I know.


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Re: public key warning

[Deephay]

On 11/22/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 03:12:27PM +1100, M-L wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 15:08, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > Hello.  After a recent upgrade of my Etch, I get the following warning:
> >
> > Fetched 30.2kB in 9s (3350B/s)
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:
> > A70DAF536070D3A1
> > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> >
> > What does this mean?  Should I be concerned?  Is anyone else receiving
> > this warning?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
>
> I am, and assumed that there was just a glitch with one of the packages
> signings, or someones ID key being out of date, changed or something similar?

This will fix that:
gpg --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 && (gpg --export -a A70DAF536070D3A1 | apt-key 
add -)
something about keys changing...
Cheers,
Kev


Will this be fixed automatically later?
Cheers,
Deephay


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Re: public key warning

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 03:12:27PM +1100, M-L wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 15:08, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > Hello.  After a recent upgrade of my Etch, I get the following warning:
> >
> > Fetched 30.2kB in 9s (3350B/s)
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:
> > A70DAF536070D3A1
> > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> >
> > What does this mean?  Should I be concerned?  Is anyone else receiving
> > this warning?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> 
> I am, and assumed that there was just a glitch with one of the packages 
> signings, or someones ID key being out of date, changed or something similar?

This will fix that:  
gpg --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 && (gpg --export -a A70DAF536070D3A1 | apt-key 
add -)
something about keys changing...
Cheers,
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Re: Filter old mail with procmail

[Kevin Mark]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:13:48PM +0100, Morten O. Hansen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to filter my old mail with procmail? I have created
> filters for several mailing-lists (and they work), is it possible to
> fitler my old mails in ~/Maildir according to these filters?
> 
> Thanks,
Hi Morten,
--
formail -s procmail < some_mail_box
--
will cause an mbox file to be processed by procmail. But there is one
thing, you should move the mail to an external location so that you do
not leave the old mail there, you will end up with 2 copies, one in the
old place and one in the new place.

So:
1) move unclassified mail to a temporary location
2) processes it with some command like above
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Re: Most SQL efficient open source CMS available? Thanks!

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How to remove build dependencies ("apt-get build-dep") automatically?

[Deephay]

Greetings all,

Since I have to add a missed configure option in the debian/rules of a
package, so I used "apt-get build-dep xxx" and "apt-get source xxx" in
order to build the package, the  "apt-get build-dep" installed a lot
of build-dep packages and I want to know that is there a way to purge
them? They have no further uses and seems they will not be purged
automatically.

Thanks,
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Re: bad text rendering on Acer LCD

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

On 11/22/06, José Alburquerque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> I have an Acer 19" wide screen (AL1916W) which doesn't display text
> properly, even on the terminal. I run GNOME on unstable, and this
> problem shows in various resolutions I've tried, and the screen's own
> resolution of 1440x900 is not available on GNOM's menu. Attached is
> the output of of lshw.
When you say on the terminal do you mean the gnome-terminal or a virtual
console?


virtual console


 What doesn't display right about the text? Is it not smooth?


Yes... very visible but not consistent, as if distorted the display is
dirty. Dont't know how to explain it.


I don't think I can help with the hardware (other than suggesting to try
'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'),


I tried that with various resolutions, but to the same effect.


but if the fonts are not "smooth" the
'Desktop->Preferences->Font' gnome menu has some "rendering" options
that might help.


I tried all 4 of them preferences, still didn't help.

Am I allowed to add additional info to RFP bugs?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

I wanted to mention that a new version (0.5.2) has been released
upstream as additional info to this bug;
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387110

I can't wait for tracker to be officially included in Debian...


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Re: bad text rendering on Acer LCD

[José Alburquerque]

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

Hi,
I have an Acer 19" wide screen (AL1916W) which doesn't display text
properly, even on the terminal. I run GNOME on unstable, and this
problem shows in various resolutions I've tried, and the screen's own
resolution of 1440x900 is not available on GNOM's menu. Attached is
the output of of lshw.
When you say on the terminal do you mean the gnome-terminal or a virtual 
console?  What doesn't display right about the text?  Is it not smooth?  
I don't think I can help with the hardware (other than suggesting to try 
'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'), but if the fonts are not "smooth" the 
'Desktop->Preferences->Font' gnome menu has some "rendering" options 
that might help.


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Re: Etch status..?

[Alan Ianson]

On Tue November 21 2006 19:07, cga2000 wrote:

> > > I did notice that I'm still running the sarge 2.4.27 kernel instead of
> > > the 2.6.17 that's in the etch repository..
> > >
> > > Is this "normal" .. or did my dist-upgrade run into a problem and
> > > decide not to upgrade to a more recent kernel?
> >
> > Yes, you have the latest 2.4 kernel. You could upgrade to a 2.6 kernel if
> > you wanted too, look for linux-image-???.
>
> So you are telling me that "apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade" do not
> upgrade the kernel .. IOW that what I have experienced is "normal" ..?

I have linux-image-2.6-amd64 installed, that is a meta package that keeps the 
latest 2.6-amd64 kernel installed (2.6.17-2-amd64 at the moment). You likely 
have something like that that tracks the latest 2.4 kernel. Once you've made 
the switch to a 2.6 kernel apt-get / dselect / aptitude will keep you upto 
date. It's upto you if you want a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel.. :)


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Re: 64 bit downloading and kernel upgrade problem

[Nishant Sharma]

On 11/21/06, Arvind Marathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

debian got installed without a hitch...and kernel upgrade also worked


Great. Congrats!


Now to some other issues:
1> auto mounting cd, floppy etc...
I created a file /etc/auto.media with the lines:


Here is my /etc/fstab

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/sda1   /   reiserfs notail  0   1
/dev/sda4   /home   reiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/sda3   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/hdc/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0

And I don't have a /etc/auto.media file. I run KDE and as soon as I
put CD in the drive or connect a USB mass storage device, it pops a
window and prompt me what to do with it. GNOME shows the similar
behaviour.


2> Sound problems...
cannot get sound working...alsaconf worked fine (but lspci did not catch
any sound card). Here is the output for 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound'
alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
options snd-hda-intel index=0


I have the same lines in my file. By the way, lspci does not show any
"Audio Device"? That is weird.

By the way, does your normal user is a member of the group "audio"?
Add that user to this group too and see if it works.

regards,
Nishant


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Re: Need to remove a ghost file, but can't because it doesn't exist

[hendrik]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:37:27PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 09:53:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:38:45AM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
>  > 
> > > So I use JFS for everything.
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm at the point of replacing one of my reiserfs's on an NFS server with 
> > something else for reliability.  (reliability is the *primary* criterion 
> > for this server, by the way.  I'd happily give up some speed for 
> > reliability)  I was going to go to ext3 because of its venerable age.
> > Now you hae me wondering about JFS.
> > 
> > DO you have any more relevant facts? or links to facts?
> > 
>  
> 
> There's a filesystem benchmark comparison on ibm's website somewhere (I
> don't have the link) and I think an article on the same topic in the
> linux gazette (from the installed packages) but I don't have them
> installed right now ('production box is small-disk 486, big box is Etch
> amd64, small footprint until Etch is stable).

Would those benchmarks test performance or reliability?
On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems it appears 
that jfs joesn't kournal file contents, although apparently both reiser3 
and ext3 can be made to.

> 
> I suppose for ultimate security there's three-disk raid1 in sync?  (Why
> doesn't mount have a 'verify' option like dos used to)?

Already using a two-disk RAID.  And occasional off-line backups.

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Re: Need to remove a ghost file, but can't because it doesn't exist

[hendrik]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:37:27PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> 
> I went from ext3 to reiserfs because ext3 didn't stand up long term to
> power failures (then from reiserfs to jfs when it became available).

Well, if that's the situation, going form reiserfs to ext3 fs doesn't 
seem like that much of an improvement.  Did you actually experience 
ext3's corruption during power outages, or just hear about it?  And if 
it was experience, was it on a live system or a test rig (like JFS and 
the directiry copying.

I know from experience that ext2 isn't good against power failures.  I 
believe that power failures have been the ultimate reason why one of my 
etch systems dies.  But that's ext2, not ext3.   Mind you, reinstall 
isn't all that successful either; I'm hitting bugs in the new installer ...

-- hendrik

> 
> Doug.
> 
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Re: public key warning

[M-L]

On Wednesday 22 November 2006 15:08, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Hello.  After a recent upgrade of my Etch, I get the following warning:
>
> Fetched 30.2kB in 9s (3350B/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:
> A70DAF536070D3A1
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>
> What does this mean?  Should I be concerned?  Is anyone else receiving
> this warning?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark

I am, and assumed that there was just a glitch with one of the packages 
signings, or someones ID key being out of date, changed or something similar?

But that could be very wrong.

Be well,
Charlie

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public key warning

[Mark Grieveson]

Hello.  After a recent upgrade of my Etch, I get the following warning:

Fetched 30.2kB in 9s (3350B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:
A70DAF536070D3A1
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

What does this mean?  Should I be concerned?  Is anyone else receiving 
this warning?


Thanks,

Mark


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Re: jre not found?

[Paul Cager]

Tyler wrote:


The entire contents of the script that is supposed to start everything is:

jre -cp arlequin.jar -cp swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp


The double "-cp" (CLassPath) options looks dodgy to me. I thought you 
could only have one "cp" option (but that one option could have a number 
of entries in it).


You could try changing it to:
java -cp arlequin.jar:swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp

or possibly

java -jar arlequin.jar


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Re: localhost in /etc/hosts

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2006-11-21 15:49:07 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> I was talking about problem with 'hostname', not problem with 'hosts'.

Sorry, this wasn't clear.

> Why do you still talk about 'hosts'?

Well, the result of the hostname command depends on the /etc/hosts
file and if your configuration is incorrect, it may not give you a
consistent result.

Also, I'd say that the "hostname" man page is sometimes ambiguous
("host name" may have several meanings, e.g. FQDN or the result of
the gethostname(2) function, but IMHO, it is a good idea to make
sure that they are the same).

> One of possible problems was having "localhost" in hosts.allow or similar
> files, which didn't match when 127.0.0.1 mapped to something else.

Indeed your hosts.allow probably wasn't complete. In addition to
localhost, you should have added the hostname. Or perhaps the IP
address 127.0.0.1.

> there often is no FQDN, as there is often no IP.

The machine should always have a FQDN, though it may be resolved
locally only (in particular if your machine is not on a network).
Otherwise you'll have problems with software that requests it (I
don't think there's another portable way to fully identify the
machine).

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Re: Etch status..?

[Douglas Tutty]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:07:58PM -0500, cga2000 wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 07:30:00PM EST, Alan Ianson wrote:
> > On Tue November 21 2006 13:47, cga2000 wrote:
 
> So you are telling me that "apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade" do not
> upgrade the kernel .. IOW that what I have experienced is "normal" ..?
> 

The release notes are very strong in their suggestion to separate
upgrading a version from upgrading a kernel.

Doug.


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Re: Need to remove a ghost file, but can't because it doesn't exist

[Douglas Tutty]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 09:53:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:38:45AM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
 > 
> > So I use JFS for everything.
> > 
> 
> I'm at the point of replacing one of my reiserfs's on an NFS server with 
> something else for reliability.  (reliability is the *primary* criterion 
> for this server, by the way.  I'd happily give up some speed for 
> reliability)  I was going to go to ext3 because of its venerable age.
> Now you hae me wondering about JFS.
> 
> DO you have any more relevant facts? or links to facts?
> 
 

There's a filesystem benchmark comparison on ibm's website somewhere (I
don't have the link) and I think an article on the same topic in the
linux gazette (from the installed packages) but I don't have them
installed right now ('production box is small-disk 486, big box is Etch
amd64, small footprint until Etch is stable).

I suppose for ultimate security there's three-disk raid1 in sync?  (Why
doesn't mount have a 'verify' option like dos used to)?

I went from ext3 to reiserfs because ext3 didn't stand up long term to
power failures (then from reiserfs to jfs when it became available).

Doug.


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Re: Debian sub-menu gone from Gnome---Never mind!

[hendrik]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 04:25:06PM -0500, Max Hyre wrote:
> Max Hyre wrote:
> 
> >Sometime in the last day or two my menu entry for
> > Applications > Debian has disappeared.
> 
>Having rebooted, it's back.  Dunno what that was about, sorry to
> bother you.

Sounds like a bug, anyway.

You shouldn't *have* to reboot unless you change the kernel.

-- hendrik

> 



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Re: wireless pcmcia

[Hans du Plooy]

On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 21:12 +, Barney Rubble wrote:
> I've acquired a Netgear WG511T.
> 
> Can anyone point me to a decent resource on how to set this up in debian 
> (or any other card/distibution combination for that matter)?

Superb card.  I used to use that card with Sarge (when Sarge was still
in testing phase) on a P-III.  I only set it up once, so my memories are
sketchy, but if I recall correctly there was a package for madwifi.

These days you'll use madwifi-ng.

I see in etch there is madwifi-tools, madwifi-source and madwifi-doc - I
would start there.

Once you have the driver loaded, do an iwconfig with no options to see
what interfaces you have that has wireless capability.  Madwifi used to
make ath0 for atheros cards (WG511T is an atheros card), but I think in
madwifi-ng it is wlan0 - I'm not sure.

Hans


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Re: Debian sub-menu gone from Gnome

[Max Hyre]

Marcel Stoop wrote:

> Is the "menu" package still installed on your system?

   Yup, per dpkg -s.  However the question is now moot---see my other post.

> Regards,
> 
> Marcel

   Thanks for the help.


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Re: Need to remove a ghost file, but can't because it doesn't exist

[Douglas Tutty]

On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 09:52:26PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 06:43:06PM -0500, Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > 
> > I have recently switched from reiserfs to jfs
 > 
> > So far so good, but then again, I was largely happy with reiserfs over
> > the past 4 or so years.  I must not tax my systems too hard with
> > panic reboots.
> 
> >From what I hear, reiserfs and ext3 are both reasonably protected 
> against panic reboots -- the hard drives will have written or not 
> written the journal, and remounting the file system will figure out what 
> happened.  What they have a hard time with is panic powerdowns -- 
> because of the behaviour of some IDE drives -- apparently they report 
> data transfer complete when they have merely buffered it internally, 
> expecting it to be written real soon now.  If the power fails before 
> this happens, the file system will assume data have been written which 
> in fact have not been written, and this could caouse journal failure.
> 
 
> ext2, I'm told, has just enough extra redundancy that is is possible to 
> make a reasonable guess as th owhat's wrong by an fsck.  rumour has it 
> that reiser, which stored data in a tree structure that's somewhat 
> independent of the file-system structure, is more vulnerable to problens 
> like confusing data with file-system structure.
> 
> I don't know what the situatin is with JFS.  Anybody know?
> 

All I know is what I've experienced and what I have taken on faith:

Reiserfs looses files on panic powerdowns (power failure) even if the
filesystem structure survives.  Reiserfsck doesn't fix this.  This, for
me, has been small files (unfortunaly, typically those in /etc) even
though they weren't being written at the time of the power failure.

IBM says they designed JFS to allow a server to get back to work quickly
after a power failure, which includes fixing problems so that it __can__
work.  I have enough experience with IBM to trust that when they design
something to put their name on it (and use it in AIX) that it will do
what they say it will do.

I tried to stress-test JFS by __moving__ directories from one drive to
another and one partition to another and cutting the power in the
middle.  The move would only be partially complete but no files were
lost; they either existed on one drive or the other, nothing got lost in
limbo.

Until I got my new Athlon system, I have always used old/slow hardware.
Looking at the benchmark comparisions, reiserfs may be faster with small
files because it embeds them in the directory structure but to do that
it needs a lot more CPU overhead.  So on my hardware, JFS has been
faster than reiserfs.

So I use JFS for everything.

Doug.


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Re: Dpgk Error -- Can't Install Or Remove Package

[Douglas Tutty]

On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 11:13:04PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> This is on an Ubuntu system, but the problem is more one with dpkg, or 
> the Debian system in general.  When I recently upgraded my system, I 
> had problems with one package, K3d.  

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ apt-get remove --purge k3d

> Removing k3d ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1348, in ?
> main()
>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1342, in main
> rv = action.run(global_options)
>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 932, in run
> pkg.read_version_info()
>   File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 535, in read_version_info
> raise PyCentralError, "package has no field Python-Version"
> __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version
> dpkg: error processing k3d (--purge):
>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1

> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  k3d
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

The problem is not with dpkg but with the pre-removal script in the k3d
package.  

Doug.

 


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Re: apt-get update error..

[Jochen Schulz]

Ishwar Rattan:
> 
> Just saw this:
> W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following 
> signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: 
> NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> #
> 
> How do I fix this?

You don't need to fix this because it is not strictly an error (even
though it looks like it was one).

I think a better wording for this message would be:

"Warning:

 The integrity of the archive at  could not be
 verified because its Release file is signed with a key unknown to apt.
 This means that you cannot be sure that this archive has not been
 manipulated by a third party which you do not trust.

 If you insist, you may still install packages from this archive, but
 apt will warn you each time you do this.

 If you do not really understand what all this is about, please read
  or chapter 7.4 of the "Securing
 Debian" manual.

 If you have imported this archive's signing key recently, running
 'apt-get update' again should suffice to make this message go away."

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Re: mozilla, cups and kprinter: Printing is no fun

[W Paul Mills]

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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Dear all!
> 
> Are there any suggestions as to "howto setup printing systemwide" for
> firefox, iceweasel, icedove and other gnome applications?
> 
> We have nfs-mounted home-directories, use a cups-server for printing,
> and most users use kde and kprinter.
> 
> We use debian sarge, but I tested the following also with etch, since
> etch is close enough to be released.
> 
> # aptitude purge firefox
> # aptitude install firefox
> 
> $ rm -rf .mozilla/
> $ firefox
> 
> ...to set all to default values.
> 
> There are several issues:
> 
> 1. all printers detected by firefox's printing system have paper size
> set to 'letter' ignoring
> # cat /etc/papersize
> a4
> 
> Manually editing all the printer settings to a4 is not preserved on
> upgrades of firefox.
> 
> 2. selection of a printer is not remembered. Each time a user prints a
> page, the first printer in the list is selected. Ie. if a user prints 5
> web pages on printer C, each time printer C has to be selected manually.
> 
> 3. firefox's print dialog doesn't care about printer options. It is not
> possible to select or deselect duplex printing etc.
> 
> 4. header and footer lines (containing page numbers, urls, etc) are
> printed only half or are completely outside the printer's margins.
> 
> 5. firefox 1.5 default print command,
> lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME: '-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME}
> doesn't work at all at our configuration.
> 
> I guess there are some settings in about:config that could be changed,
> but this has to be repeated each time there is an upgrade of firefox,
> this has to be repeated for icedove, this has to be performed for each
> user. I would rather have a system setting for all workstations and all
> users.
> 
> How do other debianists deal with it? Is there a 'nice' debian solution,
> just editing some files in /etc?
> 
> Today, a technical assistant considered these (especially 2. and 3.) as
> "release critical" for herself and went back to use Windows NT 4.0 again
> instead of debian sarge.
> 
> For myself, I wouldn't consider M$ software a solution, but I am also
> terribly annoyed by not being able to print properly and hassle free
> from mozilla applications. (In particular, it's always that extra step
> of manually selecting the printer 'default/postscript' and redirecting
> it to kprinter.)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Johannes
> 
> NB:
> On debian etch:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060830
> Firefox/1.5.0.7 (Debian-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2)
> 
> xprint xprint-common are not installed. Those, if anything, made matters
> worse, the last time I tried it.
> 
> 

Go into about:config and delete the problem printer setting.

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Problem upgrading system

[Alexander Derenbach]

Hi, 

I just tried to upgrade my system with apt-get upgrade. An I get the
following output:

Preparing to replace passwd 1:4.0.3-30.4 (using
.../passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge9_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement passwd ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge9_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package
debianutils
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge9_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

I'm using: 

deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main

Thx for help


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Re: jre not found?

[Tyler]

Liam O'Toole wrote:

How are you invoking the application? Is there a launch script of some
sort? If so, modify it so that occurrences of "jre" are replaced with
"java".

Alternatively, you could create a symbolic link as follows (as root):

ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/local/bin/jre

That might be enough to coax the application into running.

Ok, so I added the ln, and now I've made some progress. Now when I run 
the script I get:


Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
arlequin/ArlequinApp



The entire contents of the script that is supposed to start everything is:

jre -cp arlequin.jar -cp swingall.jar arlequin.ArlequinApp


[...]



I have now learned that the most recent version of this program is 
written in C++, but has yet to be ported to Linux. Eventually it will 
be, they say, so that Java won't be a requirement. I'd still like to get 
the previous version working on Etch, just for the satisfaction of 
'beating' it, but I'm beginning to suspect that the problem is with 
Arlequin, and not my JAVA install.


Thanks everyone for your help, and let me know if you have any other 
suggestions.


Cheers,

Tyle


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Re: UNdelete ???

[Cameron Hutchison]

>> Which filesystem?

>I am using ext3. I do not understand why this matters.

How a filesystem manages its unallocated space is up to it - there is no
specification for this. This is one reason people say you do not need to
defragment ext2/3 filesystems - because they are clever about how they
lay out the disk.

When you delete a file, the space it occupied becomes unallocated,
available for reallocation to other files as needed.

To undelete a file, you need to know the internals of the filesystem
structure to recover the contents - if it is still available at all.


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Re: Can't find header files.

[Amit Joshi]

On Monday 20 November 2006 21:34, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Am 2006-11-12 22:53:49, schrieb Alan Ianson:
> >> Do you have the linux-kernel-headers package installed for your kernel
> >> version?
> >
> > Wrong package!  -   is in "dpkg-dev".
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/include/stdio.h
> libc6-dev: /usr/include/stdio.h
>
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> web: http://www.fjellstad.org/  Quis custodiet ipsos custodes


Thanks. I will keep this for future reference. (in case I don't need the 
build-essential package.) Right now, I installed the build-essential package 
anyway. 
Programs are being compiled just fine. 
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Re: xserver-xorg: recent upgrade blowed out my X server

[Raffaele Morelli]

I use the exact same card.

Under the Section "Device", change the driver from "s3" to "savage"

The modified Section "Device" should look like this:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]"
Driver  "savage"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection


Hope it helps



I tried this, but with this driver I obtain a

Fatal: Module savage not found
[drm] failed to load kernel module "savage"

but why the everything was fine before? Do you think some package upgrade
could burst my kernel modules?
I tried out with "modconf" and "modprobe savage" but none savage module was
found...

I am actually recompiling the kernel, but my config file still include drm
modules.
Any other suggestion?

regards
raffaele

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restoring a "panel" in xfce4

[Easthope]

Debian users,

Using the Panel Manager in xfce4, I removed 
the panel which showed the quiescent tasks.
The panel with the icons for the Xfce Menu,
the clock & etc. remains intact.

How can that "quiescent task panel" be restored?
I tried removing and reinstalling the xfce4-panel
package to no avail.

Thanks, ... Peter Easthope

Re: UNdelete ???

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi!
Which filesystem?
For ext2 there are same tool for recovery delete data, also for reiser (but
here i'm not sure).
But for ext3. :-(

Re: where to put forward to 1 pemanantly

[Yann Lejeune]

On 2006/11/21-12:52(+0100), abdelkader belahcene wrote :
> I want to use my machien as a gateway for others ones, instead of
> doing that at manually
> echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> I want to do it permanantly , Where to store it.

Best practise is to use the /etc/sysctl.conf file (man 5 sysctl.conf)
and sysctl command instead of echo and redirection (man 8 sysctl)

Enable the /etc/init.d/procps.sh script to load this values at boot time.

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-proc-sys


Regards.

YL


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Re: Etch status..?

[cga2000]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 07:30:00PM EST, Alan Ianson wrote:
> On Tue November 21 2006 13:47, cga2000 wrote:

[..]

> > I did notice that I'm still running the sarge 2.4.27 kernel instead of
> > the 2.6.17 that's in the etch repository..
> >
> > Is this "normal" .. or did my dist-upgrade run into a problem and decide
> > not to upgrade to a more recent kernel?
> 
> Yes, you have the latest 2.4 kernel. You could upgrade to a 2.6 kernel if you 
> wanted too, look for linux-image-???.

So you are telling me that "apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade" do not
upgrade the kernel .. IOW that what I have experienced is "normal" ..?

Thanks

cga


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Re: Need to remove a ghost file, but can't because it doesn't exist

[hendrik]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:38:45AM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 09:52:26PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 06:43:06PM -0500, Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > 
> > >From what I hear, reiserfs and ext3 are both reasonably protected 
> > against panic reboots -- the hard drives will have written or not 
> > written the journal, and remounting the file system will figure out what 
> > happened.  What they have a hard time with is panic powerdowns -- 
> > because of the behaviour of some IDE drives -- apparently they report 
> > data transfer complete when they have merely buffered it internally, 
> > expecting it to be written real soon now.  If the power fails before 
> > this happens, the file system will assume data have been written which 
> > in fact have not been written, and this could caouse journal failure.
> > 
>  
> > ext2, I'm told, has just enough extra redundancy that is is possible to 
> > make a reasonable guess as th owhat's wrong by an fsck.  rumour has it 
> > that reiser, which stored data in a tree structure that's somewhat 
> > independent of the file-system structure, is more vulnerable to problens 
> > like confusing data with file-system structure.
> > 
> > I don't know what the situatin is with JFS.  Anybody know?
> > 
> 
> All I know is what I've experienced and what I have taken on faith:
> 
> Reiserfs looses files on panic powerdowns (power failure) even if the
> filesystem structure survives.  Reiserfsck doesn't fix this.  This, for
> me, has been small files (unfortunaly, typically those in /etc) even
> though they weren't being written at the time of the power failure.

That sounds right.

> 
> IBM says they designed JFS to allow a server to get back to work quickly
> after a power failure, which includes fixing problems so that it __can__
> work.  I have enough experience with IBM to trust that when they design
> something to put their name on it (and use it in AIX) that it will do
> what they say it will do.

The hard part of this is, of course, to deal with disk drives that lie 
about whether they have written.

I have respect for IBM too.
When a third-party developer decided to rely on IBM's specs for 
OS/2's high-performance file system to write a disk 
optimiser/defragmenter or some such, they build partitions with the 
file system root in a valid-according-to-spec place that was 
different from the place IBM had been putting it.  OS/2 had 
troubel reading these partitions.  IBM fixed their HPFS 
implementation so that it would work to spec.

A similar story with Microsoft:  When an independently 
written-to-spec utility failed to handle NTFS properly,
Bill Gates is reported to have said, "Looks kike they haven't 
figured out all the intricacies of our file system yet."

> 
> I tried to stress-test JFS by __moving__ directories from one drive to
> another and one partition to another and cutting the power in the
> middle.  The move would only be partially complete but no files were
> lost; they either existed on one drive or the other, nothing got lost in
> limbo.

That sounds competent.

> 
> Until I got my new Athlon system, I have always used old/slow hardware.
> Looking at the benchmark comparisions, reiserfs may be faster with small
> files because it embeds them in the directory structure but to do that
> it needs a lot more CPU overhead.  So on my hardware, JFS has been
> faster than reiserfs.
> 
> So I use JFS for everything.
> 
> Doug.

I'm at the point of replacing one of my reiserfs's on an NFS server with 
something else for reliability.  (reliability is the *primary* criterion 
for this server, by the way.  I'd happily give up some speed for 
reliability)  I was going to go to ext3 because of its venerable age.
Now you hae me wondering about JFS.

DO you have any more relevant facts? or links to facts?

-- hendrik


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Re: Paritioning Issue

[Colin]

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> While you should know that it
> is not recommended to use 'testing' on computers connected to the
> internet,

Huh?  Where did you get that from?  I can see "not using it in a
production environment" but connected to the Internet?


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CD Writing -multisession

[Punit Ahluwalia]

For some reason, K3b will not write multisession CDs or DVDs. 

Wodim appears to write multiple tracks with

wodim -v -multi -data speed=2 dev=/dev/hdc trackx.cd

but on mounting the CD, only track 1 is found/read. 

Re: xserver-xorg: recent upgrade blowed out my X server

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> mhhh... I don't have a  "Savage Video Cards" section,  I am compiling from
> 2.6.8 sources, should I use newer ones?.. but still asking myself why it
> worked..
> going crazy with this!

Mhhh... Previously, you claimed to be using debian testing. Debian
testing/etch is currently using kernel 2.6.17. Maybe there's a problem
using current xorg with about 2 years old kernel?

Could you just try installing a current stock debian kernel and see if
this helps?

Johannes


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Re: localhost in /etc/hosts

[Douglas Tutty]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:17:03AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2006-11-21 15:49:07 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
 
> Indeed your hosts.allow probably wasn't complete. In addition to
> localhost, you should have added the hostname. Or perhaps the IP
> address 127.0.0.1.
> 
> > there often is no FQDN, as there is often no IP.
> 
> The machine should always have a FQDN, though it may be resolved
> locally only (in particular if your machine is not on a network).
> Otherwise you'll have problems with software that requests it (I
> don't think there's another portable way to fully identify the
> machine).

I've had stand-alone (aka secure) boxes called localhost, with only the
standard 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts entry.  Never had a problem.

Doug.
 


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Re: restoring a "panel" in xfce4

[Jhair Tocancipa Triana]

Easthope  writes:

> Debian users,
> Using the Panel Manager in xfce4, I removed 
> the panel which showed the quiescent tasks.
> The panel with the icons for the Xfce Menu,
> the clock & etc. remains intact.

> How can that "quiescent task panel" be restored?
> I tried removing and reinstalling the xfce4-panel
> package to no avail.

Xfce Menu->Settings->Settings Manager->Panel

then add a new panel with the "+" button at the left and then add the
old items (Task List, System Tray) to the newly created panel, no?

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