Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:29:39AM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:

> > maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
> > would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
> > way you wanted...
> 
> Haha...flattering as that is, I doubt they'd be that easily swayed.
> Also, if they were...I'd hate it to be because of hormones rather
> than what I have to say.

Not hormones, male vanity: "SHE can do $NIFTY_TRICK and we can't?" ;)

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Really annoying.

[Joe Hart]

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Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:38:03PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> 
>> Tomorrow my Etch is going to turn into Sid.  I let you know how it does.
>>  Worst case scenario I can reinstall Etch.
> 
> Before reinstalling Etch you can try to install directly to sid using
> either of those methods (though I prefer the business-card image):
> 
> http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

I already have Etch, and yes Mr. Carter I am aware that the proper way
is Etch > Lenny > Sid.  I like Anrdei's idea of the business card better.

I could really see if I know what I am doing by building a sid from a
chroot and debootstrap it.  To be honest I don't think there is a big
difference between Sid and Sidux, other than I lose the "handholding"
that the Sidux team provides.  I bet that I can still use some of the
scripts,

My sources.list already points to:

http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free

although I do have one specific to Sidux that I will not have in my pure
sid install.

I'll let you all know how it goes.  Today is the day.

Joe

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Re: Really annoying.

[Joe Hart]

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Ron Johnson wrote:

>> Considering that I am still a noob, I can feel proud that I can pluck
>> things from experimental and still have no broken packages.  I have even
>> managed to edit a few files and written a couple of scripts, Oh boy.
> 
> Heh.  Everyone starts out as a newbie.  My first Linux was
> pre-installed Mandrake.  I'd have never survived Debian back then
> when Woody was still Testing.
> 

Ack.

>> Why don't I run Sid?  The same reason many others run Lenny.  They are
>> afraid of Sid.  Although I have to say, problems get fixed in Sid long
>> before they get fixed in Lenny, and as I am getting more familiar with
>> Debian, I am becoming less afraid of it.  At least I am no longer
>> running Kubuntu.  I got bored with Etch because it is too stable for me
>> to learn how to fix things.  I was planning on running Lenny when I
>> found Sidux.  It seemed the best fit for me.  Maybe I should try Sid
>> directly and see what the difference is.  I have a feeling that it is
>> less than I think, but there's only one way to find out.
> 
>> But I would not recommend people new to GNU/Linux to run Sid.  I still
>> only have less than a year's experience.  It's only been a couple of
>> months since I formatted my ntfs partition.
> 
> Too true.  I recommend Ubuntu to newbies, especially those who only
> know Windows.
> 

I recommend Kubuntu, only because of my disklike of the Gnome project.

>> Tomorrow my Etch is going to turn into Sid.  I let you know how it does.
>>  Worst case scenario I can reinstall Etch.
> 
>> I accept your challenge.
> 
> I hope your /home is on a separate partition
> 

Of course it is.  Actually I have more than one (because I have multiple
distributions installed and don't let them share the /home).  I alse
have backups, so if I do anything before having to reinstall from
scratch, I would try restoring a backup.

But the whole point of this exercise is for me to test whether I can
handle the bumps of Sid, so restoring or rinstalling will be last on my
list.

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Re: order of IDE drives in lenny ..

[Towncat]

In the meantime I actually found a reference to this problem in the
release notes for etch. I haven't  tried yet, but it should fix the
problem.

Here: 
http://www.us.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-device-reorder

I've been using etch for some time, I wonder why the problem did not
occur earlier.


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Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law

[Joe Hart]

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Roberto � wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:39:06PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> That type of law is one reason.  Iraq and general foreign policy is another.
>>
> See, I thought the main reason that many Europeans were opposed to US
> involvement in Iraq was because they were illegally profiting in Iraq in
> violation of the UN sanctions.
> 
>> Yes, we must hope.  To remove hope would admit defeat.  Although I do
>> not have a lot of faith in any of the Democrats either.  As long as the
>> political system does not change, I don't see a lot of progress being
>> made.  There, you don't have enough strong political parties, here we
>> have too many.
>>
> I think you are way wrong here.  The Republicans and Democrats are *so*
> strong that they are effectively in a stalemate.  They are also so big
> that they have effectively consigned every potential third party
> contender to the sidelines.  Besides, lots of people (around 50%) in the
> US still have more faith in the Republicans than they do in the
> Democrats.
> 

So how am I wrong then?  I say the political system needs to change
because of the stalemate you mentioned.  We have another kind of
stalemate in this country and that is: no party is strong enough and
they have for form coalitions to get anything done, thus abandoning
their platform (and their constituents) in the process.

The whole idea of elected officials voting for the party-line instead of
vote on the issue to best represent your electorate is where things
break down.  And then we have the you rub my back I'll rub yours kind of
politics taking place.

I learned in school politics = power, and power corrupts, so what it
boils down, how many politicians are trustworthy?  I say very few.

Joe
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Re: Command line wave player

[Marc Shapiro]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:42:06PM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:
  

I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
anybody?

Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on 
linux?



Last time I needed to play a wav, I just used cat.  I think it was to
/dev/audio or /dev/dsp, I forget which.
  
They both work here, but /dev/dsp produced much clearer sound than 
/dev/audio.  The one thing to note with this method, however, is that 
gsm encoded .wav files, which are much smaller (and therefore good for 
speech, but maybe not for music) do NOT work when just catted to 
/dev/dsp or /dev/audio.  They also do not work with aplay from the alsa 
packages, but play, from the sox package works just fine with them.


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Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?

[SB]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 19:55, SB wrote:
>>> Celejar wrote:
 I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
 extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
 exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in
 general, and I reiterate, would we really be better off without them? I
 think it is unjust to imply that I'm 'reflexively' dismissing 'every'
 critique of religion as shallow and ignorant; I dismissed *one* as
 such, and for reasons I maintain are logical.

 And one more thing; while religion can "make ordinary people do
 extraordinarily cruel things", it can (and often does) also make
 ordinary people do extraordinarily lovely things.
>>> It's the claim of an exclusive franchise on truth by some (mainly Judaism,
>>> Christianity and Islam) closely related religions that has compelled them
>>> to justify all manner of cruelty, in the name of "god". It's this claim that
>>> has caused and is causing all sorts of problems for the rest of us
>>> Heathens/Kaffirs.
> 
> Or the fundamentalist Hindus who occasionally go on rampages,
> killing Muslims or burning people in effigy.
> 

Sure, but the Hindus aren't doing it in the name of God, Allah, Shiva
or whatever. Hinduism has other problems but claiming an exclusive franchise
on truth is not one of them.

Regards,
/SB


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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/08/07 23:29, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[snip]
> 
>> maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
>> would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
>> way you wanted...
> 
> Haha...flattering as that is, I doubt they'd be that easily swayed.
> Also, if they were...I'd hate it to be because of hormones rather
> than what I have to say.

So young, so naive.

[snip]
>>> (I occasionally do try to increase the ranks of women GNU/Linux
>>> users in particular, since I'm the only one I know in real
>>> life),
> 
>> my wife uses debian. Of course, she doesn't really know what it
>> is, but then again, she uses it and is happy! So's my mom too.
>> And no, I don't live in the basement. In fact she's using
>> u*&^*^$tu on a power pc mac and hasn't needed any tech support in
>> a good solid year. So you're not alone.
> 
>> Oh yeah! My *three* daughters use debian too. And they love it
>> because I told them to do whatever they want cause they can't
>> break it.
> 
> *Claps hands in nerdly excitement*! That's good news. A few people
> I know have been scared off by the "boys' club" reputation that has
> for some reason grown up around this stuff, and so it's good that
> that's breaking down. There's room for everyone!

You're missing the point.  His relative aren't Using Linux, they are
using a *tool*.

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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

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On 05/08/07 23:17, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
>>> [snip]
 It's a private college, and have no desire to make this
 anywhere near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm
 basically wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.
>>> If it's liberal, and it probably is, you could claim
>>> Discrimination. All the more so since you're female.
> 
> I appreciate the suggestion, but I'd rather not pull status on this
> one, you know? That is a card to be saved up and used in an
> emergency to which it has direct bearing, or else it loses all
> meaning and becomes trite. Thanks, though.

There are those of us who believe that claims of discrimination
became trite many years ago.

[snip]
> Hahaha...some of them assume I'm a "wizard" since I use GNU/Linux.
> This is not the case. And let me put it this way:  a friend of mine
> went through one of their classes on Python and came out with no
> idea that he'd been editing text files, no idea that Python could
> be run from a shell, no idea what an executable was, and, in fact,
> not even knowing what a shell was (even though it was apparently

Tell us again why you go to such a school?

(But then, until I go senile I'll remember the girl who got "A"s on
all her Comp Sci tests, but didn't know what this mizz-dos thing was
on her floppy disks, and why it was necessary.  And I thought that
the 6Mhz IBM PC-AT chomped thru Turbo Pascal at a stunningly amazing
speed.)

> Anyway...done ranting. I don't really think this thread is going
> anywhere, so sorry to waste everybody's time and inbox space.

That's what 250GB hard drives are for.

>  I'll
> just suck it up and get back to work on being the Dissenting Voice,
> burnout aside.


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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Mark Grieveson]

> Greetings;

> I upgraded from Sarge according to the instructions but I have
> had all sorts of problems with it.

> It seems to me that either something got corrupted during
> the upgrade, there is something left over from Sarge that
> shouldn't be, or there is the wrong version of a library
> somewhere.

> Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
> 150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
> to me so I don't use it.

Did you use aptitude to upgrade your system (ie, "aptitude
dist-upgrade")?  If not, and you used apt, or synaptic, that will
explain why aptitude is giving erratic results.  Best to continue with
what you had been using.

> Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
> "Format the hard drive and reinstall"?

> Many TIA,
> Dennis

You could try

dpkg-reconfigure -a  

This'll take a while, and it will
ask you some questions thoughout.  If you want the machine
to automatically reconfigure itself, without asking you any questions,
you could try 

dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=noninteractive -a

I don't know if this will help or not, but I doubt it would make things
worse.

Mark


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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

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On 05/08/07 21:26, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
> Don't have mc?  Pitty.  Debs are sort of a special-format tarball and
> there is some way to untar them but I forget how.  

They are "ar" files.  To extract files from a deb:

$ ar xv foo.deb

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Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]

[Amy Templeton]

Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:40:02PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > What do you see if you disable your workaround, run
> > 
> > > tail -fn0 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> > 
> > > and press CTRL+ALT+F1?
> > 
> > Well...if I do that while I'm still in the XTerm, I see...
> > 
> > ^[[1;7P

> that's not good. THat means X is ignoring those keystrokes and
> passing them through to Xterm.

> > ...but I think that's just XTerm freaking out. When another
> > frame is focused and I press the buttons, there is no output.

> the other frames provide no output because thety are ignoring
> key-presses they don't know how to deal with, I assume.

That seems about right, yeah.

> > One thing that I saw in the startx output using the "gb" layout
> > that I definitely do *not* see under the "us" layout was the
> > following...

> are you seeing this on the VT you launched X from or is it in the
> logs?

On the VT.

> > > If you get some errors or warnings related to switching
> > > graphics modes then we know that the key combination does
> > > work after all and that there is a problem with the graphics
> > > driver. If there is no output at all then we know that your
> > > keysyms are still not set up correctly.
> > 
> > It appears, then, to be the latter.
> > 
> > > It might also be illuminating to try if the switching works
> > > with the "gb" layout even if this layout is not an acceptable
> > > permanent solution.
> > 
> > Well, that's interesting. It did work properly using the "gb"
> > layout (though it took me a while to figure that out, since I
> > thought the keyboard wasn't working at all, but it turns out
> > there were just some problems until I disabled my xmodmap).
> > That's very weird.

> what happens when you disable your xmodmap with a "us" layout?

Oh dear...this is disturbing...it works properly. But...but...I
need to have Control where Caps Lock used to be, and I don't even
touch left-Alt! If xmodmap is the culprit, I'm afraid I'm just
going to have to deal with the problem. But at least, thanks to
you, the source of the problem has been found. Maybe I'll go
through at some point and comment out small portions at a time so I
can isolate the nefarious line(s) in question. But for now, I am
going to finish up the paper I'm ostensibly working on (no more
distracting self with email) and go to bed.

Thanks to all who've replied,
Amy

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Re: Versioned /etc ?

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 19:02 +, J.A. de Vries wrote:
> On 2007-04-29 @ 00:04:49 (week 17) Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 23:10 +, J.A. de Vries wrote:
> > > On 2007-04-28 @ 15:36:10 (week 17) Greg Folkert wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 19:22 +, J.A. de Vries wrote:
> > > > [snip description of vicf]
> > > > 
> > > > That rocks.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway to get into Debian as a package? Since you are the upstream
> > > > author.
> > > 
> > > Hi Greg,
> > > 
> > > Sure, no problem. I'd be glad to do so if it proves to be useful to
> > > others. I'd see it as another opportunity to give something back to the
> > > community. However as I've been the only one to use it up to now wouldn't
> > > it be wise to let some people test it before doing so? I am not familiar
> > > with the procedure, so if you (or someone else) could tell me what would
> > > be best I am willing to put some effort in it. 
> > 
> > Release it in source form first, I'd use it. I couldn't find it on you
> > website at the moment.
> 
> It took me some time to get back to this due to work (I am currently
> quiet busy as a Project Manager for a Identity & Access Management
> project at a bank).
> 
> I uploaded the script to my server. You can download it from
> http://www.jadev.org/files/vicf
> 
> Any comments, feature requests and/or bug reports can be sent to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Will get it into serious testing for myself. I'll comment as needed.
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Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:40:02PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > What do you see if you disable your workaround, run
> 
> > tail -fn0 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> 
> > and press CTRL+ALT+F1?
> 
> Well...if I do that while I'm still in the XTerm, I see...
> 
> ^[[1;7P

that's not good. THat means X is ignoring those keystrokes and passing
them through to Xterm.

> 
> ...but I think that's just XTerm freaking out. When another frame
> is focused and I press the buttons, there is no output.

the other frames provide no output because thety are ignoring
key-presses they don't know how to deal with, I assume. 

> 
> > If you get some errors or warnings related to switching graphics
> > modes then we know that the key combination does work after all
> > and that there is a problem with the graphics driver. If there is
> > no output at all then we know that your keysyms are still not set
> > up correctly.
> 
> It appears, then, to be the latter.
> 
> > It might also be illuminating to try if the switching works with
> > the "gb" layout even if this layout is not an acceptable
> > permanent solution.
> 
> Well, that's interesting. It did work properly using the "gb"
> layout (though it took me a while to figure that out, since I
> thought the keyboard wasn't working at all, but it turns out there
> were just some problems until I disabled my xmodmap). That's very
> weird.

what happens when you disable your xmodmap with a "us" layout?

> 
> One thing that I saw in the startx output using the "gb" layout
> that I definitely do *not* see under the "us" layout was the
> following...

are you seeing this on the VT you launched X from or is it in the
logs?

> 
> CODE:
> ___
> 
> SetGrabKeysState - disabled
> ___
> 
> ...upon switching to the console, and...
> 
> CODE:
> __
> 
> SetGrabKeysState - enabled
> __
> 
> ...upon switching back to X. Is this inspiring at all?
> 
> > This might at least provide an opportunity to revive the "color
> > vs. colour" thread that we had a while back...
> 
> Oh dear...and that of course brings up "gray vs. grey," "center vs.
> centre," "boot vs. trunk," and all those other bizarre little
> spelling differences that don't actually make a difference in
> pronunciation ("boot" is *totally* still pronounced "trunk" in GB,
> I swear).

I love how the spell "kitchen sheers" in the uk:
"kitchen-cester-sheers"

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Re: Command line wave player

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:42 -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:
> I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
> waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
> anybody?
> 
> Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on linux?

Sox?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/play
sox: /usr/bin/play
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l | grep sox
ii sox 13.0.0-1 Swiss army knife of sound processing


That play just about any kind of "normal" audio I've been able to find.
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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Amy Templeton]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > You *could* refuse to deal with people that send you documents
> > > > that you cannot read, but reality says you must at least on
> > > > occasion do so.
> > 
> Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Yeah, unfortunately most of the culprits are my professors and
> > other staff members at the college. Not really anybody I can
> > refuse to deal with, since they're in the position of power
> > here.

> Well, have you tried, upon receipt of such a monstrosity, kindly
> asking for a copy in plain text? I do it on occaision. You could
> even couch it in mildly mis-leading terms like "my copy of word
> is not working correctly... could you send me a plain text
> version until I get it repaired?"

Oh, definitely. As a matter of course, in fact (minus the
obfuscation). It's the fact that I have to keep asking the same
people and explaining to the same web people the same things week
after week, despite giving them a nice explanation the first time
'round on why it's beneficial to *everyone* to do things properly.
I'm all about personal communication; it's when I don't get through
that I start getting frustrated.

> > GNU/Linux group on campus (I haven't contacted them at all, but
> > the impression I get from their website is that they're more
> > into prettifying things with Compiz and such

> maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG
> would have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol'
> way you wanted...

Haha...flattering as that is, I doubt they'd be that easily swayed.
Also, if they were...I'd hate it to be because of hormones rather
than what I have to say.

> seriously though, the LUG should be ready willing and eager to
> support you in this. They should be championing a push to open
> standards and accessibility. Its probably worth your time to at
> least talk to them.

Yeah...I'll probably get around to it next semester when they're in
their beginning-of-year confusion stage and don't know what
direction to go in.

> > (I occasionally do try to increase the ranks of women GNU/Linux
> > users in particular, since I'm the only one I know in real
> > life),

> my wife uses debian. Of course, she doesn't really know what it
> is, but then again, she uses it and is happy! So's my mom too.
> And no, I don't live in the basement. In fact she's using
> u*&^*^$tu on a power pc mac and hasn't needed any tech support in
> a good solid year. So you're not alone.

> Oh yeah! My *three* daughters use debian too. And they love it
> because I told them to do whatever they want cause they can't
> break it.

*Claps hands in nerdly excitement*! That's good news. A few people
I know have been scared off by the "boys' club" reputation that has
for some reason grown up around this stuff, and so it's good that
that's breaking down. There's room for everyone!

Thanks,
Amy

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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 18:54 -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> I think I have something basically wrong with my system.
> 
> Programs that nobody else has problems with fail with
> a floating point exception.
> 
[snip]
> Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
> "Format the hard drive and reinstall"?

Well, if I were you. The first thing I would do is create a *COMPLETELY*
new user, using the console,(CTRL-ALT-F1) or do a "telinit 1" and then
add the user.

Reboot, login as that user in GDM and see what happens.

*IF* that works then you know you only need to kill ALL of your $HOMEDIR
settings in regard to gnome and gconf.

The list following of directories (and files) is by no means complete,
but here the list I usually go by:

.gnome
.gnome_private
.gnome2
.gnome2_private
.gconf
.gconfd
.dbus
.fontconfig
.gftp
.gimp*
.gstreamer
.gxine
.gtk*
.metacity
.nautilus
.themes
.xine
.xmms
.Trash

I find, that upgrading GNOME is no the smartest thing in life to do. But
I can't complain.

But If you don't have any luck with the new user method, there are ways
to "re-install" everything.

It a labor of love, but doable. Write us back if you have luck or not
with the new user.

Hopefully, that'll be the end of it.
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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Amy Templeton]

Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > It's a private college, and have no desire to make this
> > > anywhere near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm
> > > basically wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.
> > 
> > If it's liberal, and it probably is, you could claim
> > Discrimination. All the more so since you're female.

I appreciate the suggestion, but I'd rather not pull status on this
one, you know? That is a card to be saved up and used in an
emergency to which it has direct bearing, or else it loses all
meaning and becomes trite. Thanks, though.

> You could also claim hardship: why should you be forced to spend
> money for a product that is *NOT* required to complete your
> education, other than the fact that they are trying to make you
> use it. Books, general supplies, fine, but forcing one word
> processor over another is ridiculous.

Unfortunately, this would be hard to pull off since the college
provides labs in most non-dorm buildings replete with the wonderful
software necessary to read the documents. However, I just happen to
often need to access these documents at times when the labs are
closed (the counter-argument:  "plan ahead"). As to my "preference"
for not using the mouse or a Windows/Mac interface (so even if I do
make it to a lab, I have a lot of trouble actually doing what I
need to do), since this isn't caused by a bona fide physical
handicap there's not much I can do there. Again, I've been talking
to individual professors and groups--I guess I'm just getting
burned out on this since it's something I have to explain with some
frequency and was hoping for some document I could just give
people. Oh well.

> Also, what is your comp-sci department like? Are they not a good
> source for at least moral support? or are they stuck using VB and
> javascript coding from a gooey IDE...

Hahaha...some of them assume I'm a "wizard" since I use GNU/Linux.
This is not the case. And let me put it this way:  a friend of mine
went through one of their classes on Python and came out with no
idea that he'd been editing text files, no idea that Python could
be run from a shell, no idea what an executable was, and, in fact,
not even knowing what a shell was (even though it was apparently
taught on Macs with access to a shell!). He thought that to run a
simple script he'd written on a file, he had to open up his special
IDE program, go through a ton of menus to pick the right script, go
through a ton of menus to gain access to a file, and then manually
copy the output to a new file (instead of chmodding his script to
give it executable permissions then doing "./myscript myinputfile >
myoutputfile). And he's very smart. So no, the computer science
department isn't much help, especially since they're not interested
in what any other departments (read:  the departments I take
classes in) do.

Anyway...done ranting. I don't really think this thread is going
anywhere, so sorry to waste everybody's time and inbox space. I'll
just suck it up and get back to work on being the Dissenting Voice,
burnout aside.

Thanks,
Amy

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Re: Problems with KDE on mounted home

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 04:31 +0200, Rico Secada wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have been testing KDE on a mounted home directory. I am using sshfs.
> 
> I have changed the different KDE variables so everything point to 
> the mounted home directory. I have also made sure that both uid and 
> gid are the same on the local and remote machine.
> 
> When I try to start KDE I get this error found in .xsession_errors:
> 
> 
> Xsession: X session started for dave at ons maj  9 04:24:02 CEST 2007
> startkde: Starting up...
> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted
> Could not bind to socket '/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1'
> Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory
> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted
> Could not bind to socket '/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1'
> Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting.
> ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
> startkde: Shutting down...
> Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory
> Error: Can't contact kdeinit!
> startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
> startkde: Done.
> 
> 
> The directory /home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/ does exist.
> 
> What I don't understand is, what is going on here: 
> 
> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted
> 
> What bind operation is that and how do I make it work?

Well, you see many of the "local" sockets for KDE have to be, well,
local.

For me, if you must usee sshfs for remote homedirs... I'd re-direct all
"user only" scokets to /tmp or /var/tmp

It is all in the config. I've never really forced KDE to use /tmp for
things such as the DCOP, ksocket or kdeinit stuffs... but I am sure it
is all in the "global"  configs of the machine people are using at home.

In other words, "/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1" needs to be
local. So rather than put it $HOMEDIR/kde-temp/ksocket-dave/blahhh I'd
force it to be in /tmp/ksocket-dave/blah. Them perms will come out rght
and it should work just right.

In effect KDE is trying to use a "remote socket" as a local one. That is
the bind error.
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Re: Really annoying.

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:04 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 02:28:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/08/07 14:17, Joe Hart wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Joe Hart is not worthy of being an ethicist.  Although he does have
> > > strong opinions, that is exactly what they are.  I mean come on, the guy
> > > isn't really running Debian.  He uses Sidux.  What kind of ethical
> > > statement is that?
> > > 
> > 
> > Ethics has nothing to do with it.  He's just not manly enough to run
> > Sid.
> 
> oh bu
> 
> really though. I wasn't suggesting that Joe Hart be a moderator. Just
> the resident ethicist so that we have someone to blame when we're
> bad. 
> 
> When n00b complains about getting flamed for asking silly questions we
> can say:
> 
> Joe said it was okay and he's the resident ethicist so stfu n00b!!!
> 
> :)

Damn, don't I wish. a recent "dvd problem", that would have come in
handy.
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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:55:25PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:

> GNU/Linux group on campus (I haven't contacted them at all, but the
> impression I get from their website is that they're more into
> prettifying things with Compiz and such


maybe you should educate them a little bit? A fem in the LUG would
 have serious impact. I'm sure you could sway policy any ol' way you
 wanted...

seriously though, the LUG should be ready willing and eager to support
 you in this. They should be championing a push to open standards and
 accessibility. Its probably worth your time to at least talk to
 them. 

 
> > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You *could* refuse to deal with people that send you documents
> > > that you cannot read, but reality says you must at least on
> > > occasion do so.
> 
> Yeah, unfortunately most of the culprits are my professors and
> other staff members at the college. Not really anybody I can refuse
> to deal with, since they're in the position of power here.


Well, have you tried, upon receipt of such a monstrosity, kindly
asking for a copy in plain text? I do it on occaision. You could even
couch it in mildly mis-leading terms like "my copy of word is not
working correctly... could you send me a plain text version until I
get it repaired?"


>  (I occasionally do try to increase the ranks of
> women GNU/Linux users in particular, since I'm the only one I know
> in real life), 

my wife uses debian. Of course, she doesn't really know what it is,
but then again, she uses it and is happy! So's my mom too. And no, I
don't live in the basement. In fact she's using u*&^*^$tu on a power
pc mac and hasn't needed any tech support in a good solid year. So
you're not alone.

Oh yeah! My *three* daughters use debian too. And they love it because
I told them to do whatever they want cause they can't break it. 


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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:03:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
> [snip]
> > It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere
> > near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically
> > wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.
> 
> If it's liberal, and it probably is, you could claim Discrimination.
>  All the more so since you're female.


I was thinking along the same lines. It *is* discrimination, in a way
in that you've made a choice about how to operate you're computer and
they are preventing you from fully participating in your educational
experience because of a failure to use open accessible formats. 

You could also claim hardship: why should you be forced to spend money
for a product that is *NOT* required to complete your education, other
than the fact that they are trying to make you use it. Books, general
supplies, fine, but forcing one word processor over another is
ridiculous. 

Also, what is your comp-sci department like? Are they not a good
source for at least moral support? or are they stuck using VB and javascript
coding from a gooey IDE...

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Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap [SOLVED]

[Amy Templeton]

Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (My apologies if we went over this already. I have now totally lost
>  track of the various branches of this thread.)

It's okay. Also, appreciated.

> On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 00:26:29 -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:09:42PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 00:41:32 +0100, David Claughton wrote:
> > > > > Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > > >  > I am afraid it is time to start grasping at straws now:
> > > > >> - try "gb" instead of "uk" for XkbLayout
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, would you believe it - that fixed the problem!
> > > > >
> > > > > I still can't quite believe it was as simple as that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks a lot for your help :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Well, in retrospect it is obvious that we should have had a good look at
> > > > your xorg.conf and your logfile first. You joined this thread when we
> > > > were already completely fixated on solving the ultimate mystery of the
> > > > keysyms and therefore we could not see the forest for the tress anymore,
> > > > I guess.
> > >
> > > is Amy still lurking on this thread??? is there something
> > > missing in your xorg.conf?
> > 
> > I'm still around. I guess you missed my quick workaround the
> > other day (thanks to the magics of xbindkeys, sudo, and
> > chvt). However, if there is an alternative to "us" that you
> > think might fix the problem if given as an argument to
> > "XkbLayout," I'd certainly be glad to try it. GB settings
> > are somewhat useless to me, I'm afraid, since I'm from the
> > US. Thanks, though.

> What do you see if you disable your workaround, run

> tail -fn0 /var/log/Xorg.0.log

> and press CTRL+ALT+F1?

Well...if I do that while I'm still in the XTerm, I see...

^[[1;7P

...but I think that's just XTerm freaking out. When another frame
is focused and I press the buttons, there is no output.

> If you get some errors or warnings related to switching graphics
> modes then we know that the key combination does work after all
> and that there is a problem with the graphics driver. If there is
> no output at all then we know that your keysyms are still not set
> up correctly.

It appears, then, to be the latter.

> It might also be illuminating to try if the switching works with
> the "gb" layout even if this layout is not an acceptable
> permanent solution.

Well, that's interesting. It did work properly using the "gb"
layout (though it took me a while to figure that out, since I
thought the keyboard wasn't working at all, but it turns out there
were just some problems until I disabled my xmodmap). That's very
weird.

One thing that I saw in the startx output using the "gb" layout
that I definitely do *not* see under the "us" layout was the
following...

CODE:
___

SetGrabKeysState - disabled
___

...upon switching to the console, and...

CODE:
__

SetGrabKeysState - enabled
__

...upon switching back to X. Is this inspiring at all?

> This might at least provide an opportunity to revive the "color
> vs. colour" thread that we had a while back...

Oh dear...and that of course brings up "gray vs. grey," "center vs.
centre," "boot vs. trunk," and all those other bizarre little
spelling differences that don't actually make a difference in
pronunciation ("boot" is *totally* still pronounced "trunk" in GB,
I swear).

Anyway...

Thanks,
Amy

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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:54:36PM -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> I think I have something basically wrong with my system.
> 
> Programs that nobody else has problems with fail with
> a floating point exception.

could you have an old version of libc? 

[...]

> 
> It seems to me that either something got corrupted during
> the upgrade, there is something left over from Sarge that
> shouldn't be, or there is the wrong version of a library
> somewhere.

I agree with the others. You should not rule out hardware issues. THey
have a nasty habit of cropping up with you aer sure its something
else. Start with a good cleaning (heat sinks, fans etc), followed by a
doubile check that fans are working, then work through power-supply
and memory before you head farther upstream. 


> 
> Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
> 150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
> to me so I don't use it.


If you are truly up-to-date, that shouldn't be the issue... unless
you've got some old library version that GNOME et al have moved beyond
causing the "unused" state and the whole thing to cascade. Use
aptitude interactively and pick a couple high-level packages. Review
them and their deps carefully. Maybe experiment the ':' holding gnome
and see what it changes about the conflict resolution. You may be able
to highlight the problem that way. 

> 
> Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
> "Format the hard drive and reinstall"?

ugh. anything but that... ;)

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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 07:23:15PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 05/08/07 18:54, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > I think I have something basically wrong with my system.
> > 
[...]
> > 
> > Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
> > 150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
> > to me so I don't use it.
> > 
> > Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
> > "Format the hard drive and reinstall"?
> 
> Well, you actually *might* have a hardware issue.  RAM, mobo or CPU
> heat issues are the usual suspects.
> 
> Barring that, though, you could purge your system down to the bare
> essentials (which is extraordinarily small), do the apt-clean,
> apt-get upgrade, then reinstall all your packages (the list for
> which you saved before The Great Purge).

if you go this route, use 

dpkg --get-selections > my_pre-purge_selections

followed by

dpkg --set-selections < my_pre-purge_selections

apt-get dselect-upgrade

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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:26:18PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:54:36PM -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> > 
> > I think I have something basically wrong with my system.
>  
> > I upgraded from Sarge according to the instructions but I have
> > had all sorts of problems with it.
> > 
>  
> > It seems to me that either something got corrupted during
> > the upgrade, there is something left over from Sarge that
> > shouldn't be, or there is the wrong version of a library
> > somewhere.
> > 
> > Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
> > 150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
> > to me so I don't use it.
> 
> This could be a clue.  Use aptitude interactivly; just start it without
> any options.  If you've never done that before, you may also want the
> aptitude user's guide in aptitude-doc.  If your package system is
> inconsistant you probably don't want to use it to install aptitude-doc.
> So use a browser and search on the debian web site for the package, and
> download the deb.  Then use mc to look inside and run lynx from there.
> Don't have mc?  Pitty.  Debs are sort of a special-format tarball and
> there is some way to untar them but I forget how.  

dpkg -x some_package.deb /path/to/extraction/destination

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Re: swap

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 09:42:43PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:46:35AM +0100, andy wrote:
>  >>>
> > >>>Clicked on "our team", and the RAM got hammered again. Big freezeup of 
> > >>>gkrellm, then the page was loaded, and free RAM levelled out at 84MB. 
> > >>>That means that 110MB of RAM is being used to view the site. There has 
> > >>>to something wrong with it, surely.
> > >>>
> > >>>  
> > >
> > >I was curious so I clicked the link, nothing unusual no ram-sucking
> > >on my machine. I am running Sid.
> 
> > >  
> > FWIW, I can concur with Frank here. I checked with both Konqueror and 
> > IceWeasel and there was nothing unusual. I agree there was a quick tug 
> > on CPU resources, but that passed rapidly. Otherwise, no anomalies.
> 
> It does seem like the problem, whatever it is, is solved in Sid.  So
> I'll wait for a while.
> 
> I tried setting ulimit -v to 98304 and it did keep Xorg from thrashing
> the system, it would just kill off the remote Konq and the terminal
> window running top.  However, I've go a new problem:  My panel in Xfce
> doesn't show up.  I tried moving my configs out of the way and I've
> tried purging and reinstalling xfce-panel with no luck.  All that
> thrashing and hard reboots may have damaged something.  I don't have
> samhain to tell me if anything has changed or gone missing.  If I can't
> solve it, I'll keep my eye on the rest of the system and if other things
> go haywire I'll consider just reinstalling.

you have to (not at my machine!) go into the xfce settings manager and
"allow xfce to manage the desktop" or some such. I think its under
"Desktop" or "Window Manager"

and then make sure you're set to save the session, though I think that
particular setting operates outside the "saved session" system.

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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/08/07 21:55, Amy Templeton wrote:
[snip]
> It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere
> near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically
> wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.

If it's liberal, and it probably is, you could claim Discrimination.
 All the more so since you're female.

Claim that you're Wiccan, and that Gaia doesn't like computer viruses.

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Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Amy Templeton]

> > Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> > > > information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> > > > them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending
> > > > them via email and posting them on official college sites)? The
> > > > ones I've been using

> > > Change colleges?

If I were the type to write "lol," I'd have written it instead of
this filler sentence. Fortunately, it's not quite that bad despite
my dramatic description, and I <3 my college other than that.

> > > Talk directly to the people creating the files. Explain the
> > > problem and ask them what they would need to effect change. I've
> > > never used an MS office product so I don't know what's involved,
> > > also I don't know the content of the files or how they are
> > > generating them.

Fair enough. I guess I'm just getting frustrated because I feel
like I'm the only one on campus who *doesn't* use MS and MS-for-Mac
products exclusively (or at all), despite there apparently being a
GNU/Linux group on campus (I haven't contacted them at all, but the
impression I get from their website is that they're more into
prettifying things with Compiz and such than my particular
minimalist-when-it-comes-to-computers aesthetic will allow for, and
definitely more into that stuff than into encouraging good
practices. So basically I kind of wish there were some magic
solution that would save me from having to nag at professors and
administrators constantly (or at least when printed copies of the
documents aren't available) about this.

> > > Perhaps they can provide an easy pointy-clicky-gimmik that
> > > transforms their doc files to something useful. It may be as
> > > simple as adding a button to a tool bar, right beside the "save
> > > as doc file", a "save as something useful" button. The author may
> > > not have the skill or permission to change the toolbar directly.

Hmm...that would be an interesting trick. I'll google around on
that; if I could find something about that it'd be pretty useful.

Thanks!

M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes, that language isn't the same spoken by non programmers.

I dunno...the first article
(http://goldmark.org/netrants/no-word/attach.html) at least seems
to be directed at Word users in general...but good point. Also, I'm
not actually a programmer /per se/. I get around fine in Emacs and
can hack together some basic elisp, BASH script a bit, and use
LaTeX, but beyond that I am by no means a programmer by any stretch
of the imagination.

> 1) as far as official college sites go, it depends on where the
> college is and whether it is a public one or not. Some countries
> and states *have* laws that mandate that public electronic
> documents must be published at least in non proprietary formats.
> In the USA, Pam Jones of Groklaw.net may be able to help you to
> find this out. IF this is your situation, threatening a lawsuit
> or at least communicating to any news outlet in a 500 miles
> radius may move something.

It's a private college, and have no desire to make this anywhere
near that insane, but thank you nonetheless. I'm basically
wishfully hoping for a quiet solution.

> 3) Another angle may be to point out that several states are
> moving to open formats:
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/02/06/HNtexasminnodf_1.html
> and explain why Universities should be the first ones to follow
> this example

Interesting...I will keep this in mind.

> 4) I haven't actually opened it yet, but the database here:
> http://digifreedom.net/node/55 is meant just to list good and bad
> (from this point of view) schools and Universities worldwide,
> both to help all of them to get the kind of coverage they
> deserve, and to help students to find out in advance and avoid
> the wrong places. You and everybody else is encouraged to send me
> off list any relevant material. Obviously, you are also
> encouraged to pass around this request as much as you can.

I appreciate this kind offer, but I would prefer to try to resolve
this first. I really love my school in most other dimensions, just
not when it comes to their computery stuff. That's why I haven't
mentioned the name as of yet. Also, it's not actually a *policy*,
just a tacit acceptance and a failure to educate their staff about
this.

> Hope these comments are useful.

Yes, thank you.

> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You *could* refuse to deal with people that send you documents
> > that you cannot read, but reality says you must at least on
> > occasion do so.

Yeah, unfortunately most of the culprits are my professors and
other staff members at the college. Not really anybody I can refuse
to deal with, since they're in the position of power here.

> > Its just that too many people think that MS Office is the only
> > software that exists to create doc

Re: Command line wave player

[Eric d'Alibut]

Oops; went off-list by mistake.

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On 5/8/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Translation: "really excellent."



Is this some sort of Weird Youth Slang?


Define "youth."

SERIOUSLY though, no, it's a bit of Bostonian slang. Not from the
'paak the caar in Haavaad Yaaad' bunch (think Kennedys), but from the
"Christ the Sox played wicked pissah tonight!" bunch.


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Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?

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>> I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
>> extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
>> exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in
>> general, and I reiterate, would we really be better off without them? I
>> think it is unjust to imply that I'm 'reflexively' dismissing 'every'
>> critique of religion as shallow and ignorant; I dismissed *one* as
>> such, and for reasons I maintain are logical.
>>
>> And one more thing; while religion can "make ordinary people do
>> extraordinarily cruel things", it can (and often does) also make
>> ordinary people do extraordinarily lovely things.
> 
> It's the claim of an exclusive franchise on truth by some (mainly Judaism,
> Christianity and Islam) closely related religions that has compelled them
> to justify all manner of cruelty, in the name of "god". It's this claim that
> has caused and is causing all sorts of problems for the rest of us
> Heathens/Kaffirs.

Or the fundamentalist Hindus who occasionally go on rampages,
killing Muslims or burning people in effigy.

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Re: Command line wave player

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> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:42:06PM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:
>> I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
>> waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
>> anybody?
>>
>> Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on 
>> linux?
> 
> Last time I needed to play a wav, I just used cat.  I think it was to
> /dev/audio or /dev/dsp, I forget which.

Throwing a feline into the surf sounds like a plan to me!!!

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Re: Command line wave player

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> On 5/8/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> > Wicked pissah!
> 
>> Wicked pissah??
> 
> Translation: "really excellent."

Is this some sort of Weird Youth Slang?

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Problems with KDE on mounted home

[Rico Secada]

Hi

I have been testing KDE on a mounted home directory. I am using sshfs.

I have changed the different KDE variables so everything point to 
the mounted home directory. I have also made sure that both uid and 
gid are the same on the local and remote machine.

When I try to start KDE I get this error found in .xsession_errors:


Xsession: X session started for dave at ons maj  9 04:24:02 CEST 2007
startkde: Starting up...
kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted
Could not bind to socket '/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1'
Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory
kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted
Could not bind to socket '/home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/kdeinit__1'
Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting.
ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
startkde: Shutting down...
Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory
Error: Can't contact kdeinit!
startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
startkde: Done.


The directory /home/dave/kde-tmp/ksocket-dave/ does exist.

What I don't understand is, what is going on here: 

kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Operation not permitted

What bind operation is that and how do I make it work?

Best and kind regards,
Rico


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Re: Well I'm back in business.

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:17:47PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 03:39:20AM +0200, pizzapie_linuxanchovies wrote:
> > permissions.  I am thinking of filing my 1st bug report ever for this, if 
> > there isn't one already.
> > 
> > 
> Bastille has some "issues".  I used a long time ago and found that it
> caused breakage in subtle ways that were difficult to pin down.  It
> appears you have had a similar experience :-)

It sounds as if a bug report is warranted if it has known 'issues' like
this.  It should back out of whatever it does when its removed.

Doug.


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Re: apache2 - SSL

[Tom Allison]

On May 8, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 09:08:52PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:

Ever heard of, "apache2-ssl-certificate"?
I found reference to it on one URL about Debian Apache2 and SSL
but I can't seem to find anything in Debian that actually have this
name.


Never heard of it.


So I'm back to square run.  Can't figure out how to configure Apache2
+SSL.


Have you read the documents located here?
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/


Tried that.  I eventually made things work by removing a lot of the  
SSL directives out of the  block and running them from  
httpd.conf.
This is probably not what is expected if the configuration came  
shipped with these directives embedded in the  block.
But it's pretty repeatable that it works only when it's called  
outside of the block.


i'm down to a smallish error about the BasicConstraint: CA == TRUE  
which I don't really understand what it means.

But other than that, it appears to work.

I had to also remove all the domain aliasing which is included by  
default.

Kind of a lot of things to "undo" when configuring apache+ssl.

Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:54:36PM -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> 
> I think I have something basically wrong with my system.
 
> I upgraded from Sarge according to the instructions but I have
> had all sorts of problems with it.
> 
 
> It seems to me that either something got corrupted during
> the upgrade, there is something left over from Sarge that
> shouldn't be, or there is the wrong version of a library
> somewhere.
> 
> Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
> 150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
> to me so I don't use it.

This could be a clue.  Use aptitude interactivly; just start it without
any options.  If you've never done that before, you may also want the
aptitude user's guide in aptitude-doc.  If your package system is
inconsistant you probably don't want to use it to install aptitude-doc.
So use a browser and search on the debian web site for the package, and
download the deb.  Then use mc to look inside and run lynx from there.
Don't have mc?  Pitty.  Debs are sort of a special-format tarball and
there is some way to untar them but I forget how.  

Within the aptitude user-interface you can go down the list of packages,
and hit 'g' and it will tell you what it wants to do and to some extent
why.  You can cancel with 'q' to go back to the main list.  

You could also send us your sources.list just in case there's a problem
there.

> 
> Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
> "Format the hard drive and reinstall"?

If you truely need to purge every package and reinstall, it's probably
faster to do a total reinstall.  

It could also be hardware like bad memory or power supply.  I find that
Etch uses more memory than Sarge, perhaps you're using a spot of memory
that you haven't before.

Good luck,

Doug.


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Re: Command line wave player

[Andrew J. Barr]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:42:06PM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:

I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
anybody?

Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on 
linux?


Last time I needed to play a wav, I just used cat.  I think it was to
/dev/audio or /dev/dsp, I forget which.


These days you should be using a program like 'aplay'. /dev/dsp is an 
obsolete interface, using it will invoke (at least one) compatibility 
layer, and what's more it can't handle different kinds of wav files like 
ALSA's aplay command can.



Doug.





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Re: apache2 - SSL

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:09:41PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
> 
> Tried that.  I eventually made things work by removing a lot of the  
> SSL directives out of the  block and running them from  
> httpd.conf.
> This is probably not what is expected if the configuration came  
> shipped with these directives embedded in the  block.
> But it's pretty repeatable that it works only when it's called  
> outside of the block.
> 
> i'm down to a smallish error about the BasicConstraint: CA == TRUE  
> which I don't really understand what it means.
> But other than that, it appears to work.
> 
> I had to also remove all the domain aliasing which is included by  
> default.
> Kind of a lot of things to "undo" when configuring apache+ssl.
> 

Hmmm, I've never had to "undo" much when setting up apache to run on
SSL.  Are you setting up virtual hosts or running everything out of the
main configuration?  I suspect that you are not running virtual hosts,
which may be the source of some confusion.  I would try asking for help
in the #apache channel on freenode.

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Re: Well I'm back in business.

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 03:39:20AM +0200, pizzapie_linuxanchovies wrote:
> 
> Well I'm back in business.  I restored my dpkg permissions back to normal 
> with this:
> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.28_i386.deb
> 
> Also, I figured out that the culprit that removed others' execute 
> permission on dpkg was indeed the bastille security package (at least the 
> current Sarge version of bastille).  This happens when you say yes to one 
> of bastille's first questions in interactive mode, which asks something 
> like "Do you want to set more restrictive permissions on certain admin 
> tools?".  Strangely, even if you change this answer back to no, or purge 
> bastille from your system, dpkg still keeps the more restrictive 
> permissions.  I am thinking of filing my 1st bug report ever for this, if 
> there isn't one already.
> 
> 
Bastille has some "issues".  I used a long time ago and found that it
caused breakage in subtle ways that were difficult to pin down.  It
appears you have had a similar experience :-)

I would recommend running Bastille once or twice in interactive mode,
but only to read the help texts.  Don't have it do anything.  Much of
what Bastille wants to do, you can do manually.  The advantage to doing
it manually is that you are aware of what you are doing, where it is
sometimes obscured if you automate it with Bastille.  Additionally, I
spoke with the maintainer a long time ago about integration with
dpkg-statoverride (which would allow a more "correct" changing of
permissions, among other things).

Bastille is a neat idea, but there are lots of pitfalls.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Command line wave player

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:42:06PM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:
> I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
> waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
> anybody?
> 
> Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on 
> linux?

Last time I needed to play a wav, I just used cat.  I think it was to
/dev/audio or /dev/dsp, I forget which.

Doug.


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Re: Upgrading from Sarge to Etch

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:49:15PM -0300, Valdir Marcos wrote:
> 1. How can I backup my Debian 3.1 server before upgrading to 4.0?

> 
> # cat /etc/debian_version 3.1
> 
> # uname 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
>  2. How can I upgrade a server Sarge in
> productiopn to Etch? I do not have a graphic environment. Really
> important is just samba, iptables and  squid.
> 

You don't need a graphic environment.  Some/most would say that a server
shouldn't _have_ a graphic environemt.  If you _want_ one, ssh in from a
workstation's X display.

Are you really saying that you have a server in production that you
don't know how to backup, and that you have try to do a major release
upgrade automatically?  Amazing.

> 
>  3. Every night, the server tries to
> upgrades itself by: 00 04 * * * root apt-get update && apt-get -y
> upgrade && apt-get -y dist-upgrade
> 

> But I receive the following error messagem:

As for how to backup the server, as always, it depends.  How big is the
data set?  How big is your media?  Do you have a remote host to store
the backup?  

Have you read the release notes and the installation manual?

Have you read debian-reference?

Its a production environment; do you have a copy of Nemeth et al UNIX
system administration handbook?

Before you worry about upgrading, get your backup strategy sorted out.
There are lots of packages available.  However, before you try to
install something you better make sure your packaging system is
consistant.  

What is your /etc/apt/sources.list?

Doug.


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Well I'm back in business.

[pizzapie_linuxanchovies]

Well I'm back in business.  I restored my dpkg permissions back to normal with 
this:
sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.28_i386.deb

Also, I figured out that the culprit that removed others' execute permission on dpkg was 
indeed the bastille security package (at least the current Sarge version of bastille).  
This happens when you say yes to one of bastille's first questions in interactive mode, 
which asks something like "Do you want to set more restrictive permissions on 
certain admin tools?".  Strangely, even if you change this answer back to no, or 
purge bastille from your system, dpkg still keeps the more restrictive permissions.  I am 
thinking of filing my 1st bug report ever for this, if there isn't one already.


Thanks again to Manoj and everyone else who helped--I would have been stuck 
without you!

Pizzapie


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Re: swap

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:46:35AM +0100, andy wrote:
 >>>
> >>>Clicked on "our team", and the RAM got hammered again. Big freezeup of 
> >>>gkrellm, then the page was loaded, and free RAM levelled out at 84MB. 
> >>>That means that 110MB of RAM is being used to view the site. There has 
> >>>to something wrong with it, surely.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >
> >I was curious so I clicked the link, nothing unusual no ram-sucking
> >on my machine. I am running Sid.

> >  
> FWIW, I can concur with Frank here. I checked with both Konqueror and 
> IceWeasel and there was nothing unusual. I agree there was a quick tug 
> on CPU resources, but that passed rapidly. Otherwise, no anomalies.

It does seem like the problem, whatever it is, is solved in Sid.  So
I'll wait for a while.

I tried setting ulimit -v to 98304 and it did keep Xorg from thrashing
the system, it would just kill off the remote Konq and the terminal
window running top.  However, I've go a new problem:  My panel in Xfce
doesn't show up.  I tried moving my configs out of the way and I've
tried purging and reinstalling xfce-panel with no luck.  All that
thrashing and hard reboots may have damaged something.  I don't have
samhain to tell me if anything has changed or gone missing.  If I can't
solve it, I'll keep my eye on the rest of the system and if other things
go haywire I'll consider just reinstalling.

Thanks for all your help.

Doug.


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Re: apache2 - SSL

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 09:08:52PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
> Ever heard of, "apache2-ssl-certificate"?
> I found reference to it on one URL about Debian Apache2 and SSL
> but I can't seem to find anything in Debian that actually have this  
> name.
> 
Never heard of it.

> So I'm back to square run.  Can't figure out how to configure Apache2 
> +SSL.
> 
Have you read the documents located here?
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: does a home user on dialup need a domain name?

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 09:16:27PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> 
> I'll do some searching.  The only non-resovable one I know is
> example.com but then, I wouldn't want to use it since then it would be
> resolvable :)
> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ host example.comexample.com has address 192.0.34.166
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lynx -dump http://example.com

   You have reached this web page by typing "example.com", "example.net",
   or "example.org" into your web browser.

   These domain names are reserved for use in documentation and are not
   available for registration. See [1]RFC 2606, Section 3.

References

   1. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt


But, you see, it *is* resolvable outside your network :-)

Regards,

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Re: apache2 - SSL

[Tom Allison]

Ever heard of, "apache2-ssl-certificate"?
I found reference to it on one URL about Debian Apache2 and SSL
but I can't seem to find anything in Debian that actually have this  
name.


So I'm back to square run.  Can't figure out how to configure Apache2 
+SSL.


On May 1, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 06:55:01AM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:

I'm trying to set up apache2 for SSL.
Did not find anything in the /usr/share/docs for apache2 related to
ssl so I'm thinking the SSL stuff is pretty much up to me.


It is just a matter of enabling the module and configuring to operate
how you want.


Do I have to generate the Certs or are they generated during
installation?

IIRC, apache2 ships the the snakeoil certificates.  However, don't  
want

to actually use those for anything.  The SSL howto at tldp.org details
how to create your own certificated authority, create a certificate
request and then generate and self-sign the certificate.  If you are
setting this up for personal use, that is all you need.  If this is  
some

sort of e-commerce or other site where users will be thrown off by an
untrusted CA notification in their browsers, then you will need to  
buy a

certificate.


How do I specify http:80 and https:443?


Using Listen directives.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: does a home user on dialup need a domain name?

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 02:18:41PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > Yes, I have identical /etc/hosts on all boxes (yeah scp).  I know about
> > NAT/masq and have shorewall do that.
> > 
> > As far as inaccessible domainnames is there a TLD reserved (the way that
> > ip addresses 192.168.*.* are unrouteable), something that will never be a
> > domaine accessible from the internet?  Should I use a trailing '.' at
> > the end or not?  
> > 
> I'm not aware of any specially allocated TLD name string that is
> guaranteed will never to be used for the name-string of a new TLD by
> the administrative authorities of the web. If you use some obscene
> word, you can be pretty sure it will not be used. I use TLD = 'gnu'. I
> figure that the authority is sufficiently subservient to commercial
> interests that open source will never be allowed such prominence. And
> for my local domain is use 'lan', so the host I'm using to compose
> this, which I call 'big', has the FQDN, 'big.lan.gnu'.  This protects
> me from having to deal with wierd, anal-retentive software that
> insists on having well formed FQDN entries in /etc/hosts.
> 

I just installed OpenBSD on my 486 and it defaults to .my.domain, so its
FQDN is reliant.my.domain.  If I stick with OBSD for that box, I may
need to use FQDNs on the other boxes for consistancy.

I'll do some searching.  The only non-resovable one I know is
example.com but then, I wouldn't want to use it since then it would be
resolvable :)

Thanks,

Doug.



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Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?

[SB]

Celejar wrote:
> I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
> extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
> exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in
> general, and I reiterate, would we really be better off without them? I
> think it is unjust to imply that I'm 'reflexively' dismissing 'every'
> critique of religion as shallow and ignorant; I dismissed *one* as
> such, and for reasons I maintain are logical.
>
> And one more thing; while religion can "make ordinary people do
> extraordinarily cruel things", it can (and often does) also make
> ordinary people do extraordinarily lovely things.

It's the claim of an exclusive franchise on truth by some (mainly Judaism,
Christianity and Islam) closely related religions that has compelled them
to justify all manner of cruelty, in the name of "god". It's this claim that
has caused and is causing all sorts of problems for the rest of us
Heathens/Kaffirs.

Regards,
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Re: apache2 - SSL

[Tom Allison]

On May 1, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:


On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 06:55:01AM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:

I'm trying to set up apache2 for SSL.
Did not find anything in the /usr/share/docs for apache2 related to
ssl so I'm thinking the SSL stuff is pretty much up to me.


It is just a matter of enabling the module and configuring to operate
how you want.


Do I have to generate the Certs or are they generated during
installation?

IIRC, apache2 ships the the snakeoil certificates.  However, don't  
want

to actually use those for anything.  The SSL howto at tldp.org details
how to create your own certificated authority, create a certificate
request and then generate and self-sign the certificate.  If you are
setting this up for personal use, that is all you need.  If this is  
some

sort of e-commerce or other site where users will be thrown off by an
untrusted CA notification in their browsers, then you will need to  
buy a

certificate.


How do I specify http:80 and https:443?


Using Listen directives.

Regards,

-Roberto


I set Listen 443 in ports.conf and created a self signed certificate  
using:

openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -out $PEMFILE -keyout $PEMFILE
chmod 600 $PEMFILE
[ -e temp_file ] && rm -f temp_file
dd if=/dev/urandom of=temp_file count=2
openssl dhparam -rand temp_file 512 >> $PEMFILE

I then moved $PEMFILE to /etc/apache2/ssl/isengard.tacocat.net.pem
and set
SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/apache2/ssl/isengard.tacocat.net.pem
in ssl.conf

And I get nothing.  Firefox returns an error -12263.
Nothing in the error logs...

Re: debian linux-image update

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:53:23PM +0530, Vidyadhar Gadgil wrote:
> Recently some kernel update for debian etch appeared, which I duly
> installed. In Fedora, when this used to be done, the grub entry would
> get automatically updated. But here it does not seem to have happened,
> the entry is the same as the original one. apt-get shows both the
> linux-images installed. Some searching on the net yielded some
> information about a programme called grub-update, but can't find this.
> 

There was recently a kernel security fix.  It changed the running
kernel; the kernel version number did not change.  Therefore grub's
menu.list will look the same.  In general, when a new kernel version is
installed, there will be a new entry in menu.lst.

All your kernels should be in /boot.  Are there any there that don't
have matching entries in menu.list?

Doug.


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apache2 + SSL

[Tom Allison]

I'm trying to set up apache2 with SSL

I can get http but on https I get
-12263 on my firefox browser.  Seems to be fairly common but I can't  
find anything that says you can fix it with ...


Safari just doesn't work -- some lame excuse about not being able to  
make a secure connection.


I can't seem to find much doc on ssl for debian.
But if anyone has any suggestions...

I created a selfsigned certificate and pointed it out with the  
SSLCertificate

SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/apache2/ssl/isengard.tacocat.net.pem

Besides the required 'Listen 443' I haven't added/changed anything  
else on my debian installation for the apache2 webserver.  Any  
suggestions on what I can do?


Start up error.log:
[Tue May 08 20:33:09 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Tue May 08 20:33:13 2007] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not  
configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]
[Tue May 08 20:33:13 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_ssl/ 
2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c configured -- resuming normal operations



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debian linux-image update

[Vidyadhar Gadgil]

Recently some kernel update for debian etch appeared, which I duly
installed. In Fedora, when this used to be done, the grub entry would
get automatically updated. But here it does not seem to have happened,
the entry is the same as the original one. apt-get shows both the
linux-images installed. Some searching on the net yielded some
information about a programme called grub-update, but can't find this.

Could somebody please guide?
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Re: Command line wave player

[Eric d'Alibut]

On 5/8/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Wicked pissah!



Wicked pissah??


Translation: "really excellent."

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Re: apache2 - SSL

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 08:45:08PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
> 
> I set Listen 443 in ports.conf and created a self signed certificate  
> using:
> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -out $PEMFILE -keyout $PEMFILE
> chmod 600 $PEMFILE
> [ -e temp_file ] && rm -f temp_file
> dd if=/dev/urandom of=temp_file count=2
> openssl dhparam -rand temp_file 512 >> $PEMFILE
> 
> I then moved $PEMFILE to /etc/apache2/ssl/isengard.tacocat.net.pem
> and set
> SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/apache2/ssl/isengard.tacocat.net.pem
> in ssl.conf
> 
> And I get nothing.  Firefox returns an error -12263.
> Nothing in the error logs...
> 
Do you have verbose logging enabled?  After that, what is in the
access_log and the error_log when you try and point a web browser at it?

Regards,

-Roberto
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Re: swap

[andy]

Frank McCormick wrote:

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Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
  

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:24:24PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:


On Tuesday 08 May 2007 16:21, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
  

On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:00:50PM -0400, Celejar wrote:


On Mon, 7 May 2007 12:15:31 -0400
  

Sometimes, just links2, sometimes konq.  I ususally use Xfce but have
tried it with just rxvt, pdmenu, then links2 or konq.  Try this site:

http://www.uhn.ca/Clinics_&_Services/services/asthma

Then click on "Our Team".

I don't know what's with this site but all of a sudden Xorg starts
racking up the memory.  When I leave the site, the memory footprint
doesn't shrink.  Eventually, I just exit X and startx again.  Not that
it thrashes, but...

Wow! That site doesn't half hammer the RAM. On my Gateway P111 500Mhz machine 
with 250MB RAM, gkrellm normally shows about 190MB free (no swap used).


Going to the site started to hit the RAM. It was up and down like a yo-yo, 
dropping as low as 11.1MB free, and with frequent freezing of gkrellm.


Clicked on "our team", and the RAM got hammered again. Big freezeup of 
gkrellm, then the page was loaded, and free RAM levelled out at 84MB. That 
means that 110MB of RAM is being used to view the site. There has to 
something wrong with it, surely.


  



I was curious so I clicked the link, nothing unusual no ram-sucking
on my machine. I am running Sid.

Cheers
Frank
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FWIW, I can concur with Frank here. I checked with both Konqueror and 
IceWeasel and there was nothing unusual. I agree there was a quick tug 
on CPU resources, but that passed rapidly. Otherwise, no anomalies.


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Re: swap

[Frank McCormick]

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Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:24:24PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
>> On Tuesday 08 May 2007 16:21, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:00:50PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
 On Mon, 7 May 2007 12:15:31 -0400
>>> Sometimes, just links2, sometimes konq.  I ususally use Xfce but have
>>> tried it with just rxvt, pdmenu, then links2 or konq.  Try this site:
>>>
>>> http://www.uhn.ca/Clinics_&_Services/services/asthma
>>>
>>> Then click on "Our Team".
>>>
>>> I don't know what's with this site but all of a sudden Xorg starts
>>> racking up the memory.  When I leave the site, the memory footprint
>>> doesn't shrink.  Eventually, I just exit X and startx again.  Not that
>>> it thrashes, but...
>>
>> Wow! That site doesn't half hammer the RAM. On my Gateway P111 500Mhz 
>> machine 
>> with 250MB RAM, gkrellm normally shows about 190MB free (no swap used).
>>
>> Going to the site started to hit the RAM. It was up and down like a yo-yo, 
>> dropping as low as 11.1MB free, and with frequent freezing of gkrellm.
>>
>> Clicked on "our team", and the RAM got hammered again. Big freezeup of 
>> gkrellm, then the page was loaded, and free RAM levelled out at 84MB. That 
>> means that 110MB of RAM is being used to view the site. There has to 
>> something wrong with it, surely.
>>
> 


I was curious so I clicked the link, nothing unusual no ram-sucking
on my machine. I am running Sid.

Cheers
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Re: eth1_rename: transmit timed out

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 19:05:06 -0700, jason.public wrote:
> On 5/7/07, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 14:01:45 -0700, jason.public wrote:
> >> Every once in a while, my eth1 interface dies with the following 
> >messages.

[...]

> >> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1_rename: transmit timed out
> >> eth1_rename: transmit timed out, tx_status 00 status 6000.

[...]

> >> eth1_rename: Resetting the Tx ring pointer.
> >>
> >> Either I have to restart it with "/etc/init.d/networking restart", or
> >> it restarts by itself after a minute or so.  Any idea what the problem
> >> is?

[...]

> There are two ethernet cards, but it's the 3Com that has been causing
> problems.  When eth1_rename dies, it usually causes eth0 (the Realtek)
> to stop working as well.
> 
> # lspci|grep Ethernet
> 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169
> Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
> 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]
> 
> Here's the output of ifconfig:
> 
> # ifconfig
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:08:54:B3:70:2E
>  inet addr:192.168.1.5  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>  inet6 addr: fe80::208:54ff:feb3:702e/64 Scope:Link
>  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

[...]

> eth1_rena Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:97:7D:43:37
>  inet addr:192.168.0.3  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>  inet6 addr: fe80::260:97ff:fe7d:4337/64 Scope:Link
>  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

[...]

> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1

[...]

> And the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules:
> 
> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
> # program, probably run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
> #
> # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line.
> 
> # PCI device 10b7:9050 (3c59x)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:60:97:7d:43:37",
> NAME="eth0"
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:08:54:b3:70:2e",
> NAME="eth0"
> 
> The "_rename" suffix used to bother me (it doesn't make sense for a
> developer to assume that a user will want to figure out how to rename
> a device), but I've gotten used to it.
> 
> I've searched google for this error, and a lot of discussions about
> bugs in a recent kernel come up.  Maybe the solution will be to
> upgrade my kernel once the bug is fixed.  Any other ideas?

Udev is probably getting confused because it is told to assign the same
name ("eth0") to two different devices. I am not sure if this is causing
your problem, but it will surely increase the stability of your system
if you correct /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules. I think
something like this should work better:

# PCI device 10b7:9050 (3c59x)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:60:97:7d:43:37", 
NAME="eth0"
# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:08:54:b3:70:2e", 
NAME="eth1"

Note that I changed "SYSFS" to "ATTRS" for the first rule. You can of
course decide yourself which device should become "eth0". (You can give
them completely different names as well, such as "3com" and "realtek",
or "bob" and "grant", or whatever.)

You should also make sure that ATTRS{address} is actually correct in
both cases. (It corresponds to "HWAddr" in the ifconfig output.) If you
want to check what udev did then you can use the following lengthy
command to get an overview of all your network devices, their HW
addresses and their associated drivers:

for D in /sys/class/net/*; do echo "${D##*/}"; udevinfo -a --path "$D" | egrep 
'address|DRIVERS==".+"'; done

(This should all be in one line.)

Once you have decided on the permanent names of the devices, you might
have to update /etc/network/interfaces, your firewall rules and the
configuration files of some other network-related programs.

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Re: How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/08/07 18:54, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> I think I have something basically wrong with my system.
> 
> Programs that nobody else has problems with fail with
> a floating point exception.
> 
> Web pages that work fine for everybody else don't work on
> my system and throw a bunch of javascript and java errors.
> 
> I upgraded from Sarge according to the instructions but I have
> had all sorts of problems with it.
> 
> I have reinstalled the kernel. Reformatted the swap file.
> Reinstalled a couple of the problem programs after doing
> an apt-get clean so a new deb file would be downloaded.
> No help.
> 
> It seems to me that either something got corrupted during
> the upgrade, there is something left over from Sarge that
> shouldn't be, or there is the wrong version of a library
> somewhere.
> 
> Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
> 150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
> to me so I don't use it.
> 
> Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
> "Format the hard drive and reinstall"?

Well, you actually *might* have a hardware issue.  RAM, mobo or CPU
heat issues are the usual suspects.

Barring that, though, you could purge your system down to the bare
essentials (which is extraordinarily small), do the apt-clean,
apt-get upgrade, then reinstall all your packages (the list for
which you saved before The Great Purge).

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Re: Affecting Institutional Change (Yeah Right)

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote:
> 
> Can anybody recommend a *really, really convincing* source of
> information I can give people/my college that will aid in deterring
> them from trying to force people to use MS-Office files (by sending
> them via email and posting them on official college sites)? The
> ones I've been using

Change colleges?

Talk directly to the people creating the files.  Explain the problem and
ask them what they would need to effect change.  I've never used an MS
office product so I don't know what's involved, also I don't know the
content of the files or how they are generating them.

What about talking to the people who supply the authors with the
computers?  Perhaps they can provide an easy pointy-clicky-gimmik that
transforms their doc files to something useful.  It may be as simple as
adding a button to a tool bar, right beside the "save as doc file", a
"save as something useful" button.  The author may not have the
skill or permission to change the toolbar directly.

Good luck,

Doug.


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Re: Problem with compiling

[pizzapie_linuxanchovies]

Manoj--thanks for a real nice trick with the "dpkg-deb --contents"--I had no 
idea this would output the default file modes, owners, etc!  Now I'm just wondering if 
dpkg can reinstall dpkg (reinstall itself?), to get back to that happy like-new state?  
After that, I'll be looking for the culprit that changed my dpkg permissions to begin 
with.


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How can I refresh Etch completely?

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Greetings;

I think I have something basically wrong with my system.

Programs that nobody else has problems with fail with
a floating point exception.

Web pages that work fine for everybody else don't work on
my system and throw a bunch of javascript and java errors.

I upgraded from Sarge according to the instructions but I have
had all sorts of problems with it.

I have reinstalled the kernel. Reformatted the swap file.
Reinstalled a couple of the problem programs after doing
an apt-get clean so a new deb file would be downloaded.
No help.

It seems to me that either something got corrupted during
the upgrade, there is something left over from Sarge that
shouldn't be, or there is the wrong version of a library
somewhere.

Is this a clue? When I try to use aptitude it wants to remove
150+ "unused" packages, including Gnome. Doesn't feel right
to me so I don't use it.

Any way, any ideas short of the old Windows stand by,
"Format the hard drive and reinstall"?

Many TIA,
Dennis


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Re: debconf problem in foomatic-filters

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 17:35:26 -0500, Felix Lechner wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have the following problem when trying to re-install foomatic-filters
> on my system.  One of the recent upgrades broke the package.  Can
> anybody tell from the information below where the problem should be
> reported?
> 
> Package maintainer Chris Lawrence has not yet responded.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Felix
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: debconf problem in foomatic-filters
> Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 09:43:34 -0500
> From: Felix Lechner
> To: Chris Lawrence
> 
> Hello Chris,
> 
> I have a problem installing foomatic-filters_3.0.2-20061031-1.2_all.deb.

Strange, this version installed on my both Sid systems without problems
(as part of normal upgrades).

>For some reason, the config mechanism for "foomatic-filters/gspath"
> fails.  I suspect the templates file is not read correctly.
> 
> I checked the bug reports and could not find a matching description.
> 
> With DEBCONF_DEBUG set to 'developer', the installation produces the
> following output:
> 
> debconf (developer): <-- INPUT low foomatic-filters/gspath
> debconf (developer): --> 10 "foomatic-filters/gspath" doesn't exist
> debconf (developer): <-- GO
> debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
> debconf (developer): <-- GET foomatic-filters/gspath
> debconf (developer): --> 10 foomatic-filters/gspath doesn't exist
> dpkg: error processing foomatic-filters (--install):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  foomatic-filters
> 
> Setting "gspath" manually in your config file by including
> 
> db_set foomatic-filters/gspath "gs" ;
>
> only produces another error message:
> 
> debconf (developer): <-- SET foomatic-filters/gspath gs
> debconf (developer): --> 10 foomatic-filters/gspath doesn't exist
> dpkg: error processing foomatic-filters (--install):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  foomatic-filters

What happens if you set gspath to the full "/usr/bin/gs"? You do have at
least one of the gs-* packages installed, right?

I just checked the package description and it seems that
foomatic-filters lists "gs-esp | gs" only as a recommendation and not as
a dependency. This may mean that gs is not present on your system and it
should probably be changed to "depends" if the post-inst assumes that gs
is available.

> All that makes me suspect the templates file is not parsed correctly.
> The question for "gspath" is defined in the templates file but not
> called---even if debconf is reconfigured to prompt for low priorities.
> Do you know why that would happen?  I even installed two versions of
> ghostscript for a choice but could not trigger the question.
> 
> Could there be a problem with debconf or UTF-8, or possibly the
> translations in the templates file?  I am trying to figure out why
> debconf acts that way.
> 
> My system is a testing/unstable hybrid.
> 
> Thank you for maintaining such a complicated package.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Felix

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Re: TeTex to TeXLive

[Tyler Smith]

On 2007-05-08, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 07 May 2007 23:35:59 GMT
> Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> What I found, thanks to help from others here (Florian I think it
>> was...) was that the directory structure under ~/texmf has to mirror
>> that of /usr/share/texmf-texlive/. So just putting a .bst file in
>> ~/texmf and running mktexlsr (=texhash?) didn't work. It needed to be
>> in ~/texmf/bibtex/bst/.
>> 
>
> I had to do that also for tetex 
>

I probably had tetex improperly set up wrt to source files, but
somehow whatever I cobbled together that was working under tetex
required correcting when I switched to tex-live.

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debconf problem in foomatic-filters

[Felix Lechner]

Hi there,

I have the following problem when trying to re-install foomatic-filters
on my system.  One of the recent upgrades broke the package.  Can
anybody tell from the information below where the problem should be
reported?

Package maintainer Chris Lawrence has not yet responded.

Sincerely,
Felix

 Original Message 
Subject: debconf problem in foomatic-filters
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 09:43:34 -0500
From: Felix Lechner
To: Chris Lawrence

Hello Chris,

I have a problem installing foomatic-filters_3.0.2-20061031-1.2_all.deb.
   For some reason, the config mechanism for "foomatic-filters/gspath"
fails.  I suspect the templates file is not read correctly.

I checked the bug reports and could not find a matching description.

With DEBCONF_DEBUG set to 'developer', the installation produces the
following output:

debconf (developer): <-- INPUT low foomatic-filters/gspath
debconf (developer): --> 10 "foomatic-filters/gspath" doesn't exist
debconf (developer): <-- GO
debconf (developer): --> 0 ok
debconf (developer): <-- GET foomatic-filters/gspath
debconf (developer): --> 10 foomatic-filters/gspath doesn't exist
dpkg: error processing foomatic-filters (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
Errors were encountered while processing:
 foomatic-filters

Setting "gspath" manually in your config file by including

db_set foomatic-filters/gspath "gs" ;

only produces another error message:

debconf (developer): <-- SET foomatic-filters/gspath gs
debconf (developer): --> 10 foomatic-filters/gspath doesn't exist
dpkg: error processing foomatic-filters (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
Errors were encountered while processing:
 foomatic-filters

All that makes me suspect the templates file is not parsed correctly.
The question for "gspath" is defined in the templates file but not
called---even if debconf is reconfigured to prompt for low priorities.
Do you know why that would happen?  I even installed two versions of
ghostscript for a choice but could not trigger the question.

Could there be a problem with debconf or UTF-8, or possibly the
translations in the templates file?  I am trying to figure out why
debconf acts that way.

My system is a testing/unstable hybrid.

Thank you for maintaining such a complicated package.

Sincerely,
Felix


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Re: Delete garbage in /var

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:09:05PM -0300, Valdir Marcos wrote:
> How can I identify what is garbage in /var?

# du --one-file-system --block-size=1K /var | sort -nr | less

Will give a good idea of where your disk space is being used. It is
still up to you to decide whether it's "garbage" or not though...

> How can I delete files and directories older than a specific date?

If this is a regular occurence, a bugreport might be called for.

Beware: /var is used for all sorts of "variable" data, e.g.:
- mailboxes
- printer spool
- lock files
- dhcp state
- log files
- databases
- autogenerated config files for e.g. exim4 (for split config)

and lots of other things that hardly qualify as "garbage". If you want
to free up some space, files in /var/tmp, /var/log and /var/cache are
usually good first candidates.

>  
> # df -h
> Sist. Arq.Tam   Usad Disp  Uso% Montado em 
> /dev/sda6 1,8G  774M  918M  46% /var

918M free? Doesn't look like a problem at the moment...

Hope this helps

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Re: DOH!!--I meant to ask this:

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:13:08AM +0200, pizzapie_linuxanchovies wrote:
> 
> DOH!!--I meant to ask this:  Anyone who can do a make-kpkg under a non-root 
> account--what permissions do you see when you say ls -l 
> /usr/bin/[b]dpkg[/b]?
> 
Are you using fakeroot?  That is the recommended way to run make-kpkg.

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Re: Command line wave player

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Re: cups prints only on reboots

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 04:27:47PM -0400, Jameson C. Burt wrote:
> When I print a file (test file has only 4 characters), 
> CUPS does not print.
> However, whenever I reboot, CUPS will print all jobs,
> clearing the CUPS job queue.
> 
> I can repeat this by creating new print jobs.
> 
[...]
> 
> Printing worked fine before our Microsoft administrators decided to
- ^

well, *there's* yer problem sheesh...

 change all printers from standard internet IP's (199.129.207.*) 
> to reserved addresses (10.55.1.*).
> I changed my computers IP address and the printers' IP addresses.
> Indeed, I eventually removed all printing packages and reinstalled them.
> 
> It's possible our administrators also added filters, 
> but I get the following nmap results
>PORT STATE SERVICE
>21/tcp   open  ftp
>23/tcp   open  telnet
>80/tcp   open  http
>280/tcp  open  http-mgmt
>443/tcp  open  https
>515/tcp  open  printer
>631/tcp  open  ipp
>9100/tcp open  jetdirect
> So the ports appear to be open,
> and besides, Debian is printing when it reboots.
> 
> I run Debian version
>4.0
> with the following two packages installed
>cupsys  1.2.7-4
>cupsys-driver-gutenprint  5.0.0-3  
> and no *foomatic* packages.
> 
> Any ideas, so I needn't reboot to print?

well. first. have you tried restarting cups as an alternative to
rebooting?

/etc/init.d/cupsys restart

this would tell us whether to look at cups or at some other part of
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Re: cron and CRON

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:59:19PM -0300, Valdir Marcos wrote:
> Take a look:
> 
> # pstree
> init---atd
>  +-bash
>  +-cron---firebird
>  ?  +-sendmail
>  +-cron---cron---sendmail
>  ? +-sh---curl
>  +-dhclient
[snip]

> # ps aux | grep cron
> root 14094  0.0  0.1  1764  820 ?Ss   00:21   0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
> root 14256  0.0  0.1  1848  708 pts/0R+   01:42   0:00 grep cron
> r# ps aux | grep CRON
> root 12156  0.0  0.1  2056  936 ?SMay05   0:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON
> root 14098  0.0  0.1  2056  940 ?S00:28   0:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON
> 
> Why is there two processes with "cron"?

According to the manpage for cron(8):
cron then wakes up every minute, examining all stored crontabs,
checking  each command to see if it should be run in the current
minute.  When executing commands, any output is mailed to the
owner of  the crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO
environment variable in the crontab, if such exists).  The children
copies of  cron  running these processes  have their name coerced to
uppercase, as will be seen in the syslog and ps output. 

If you run "pstree -p" you'll probably see that the uppercase'd cron
processes are the ones that spawned your sendmail process.  Although by
the time you read this, that process is probably dead...  But don't be
surprised to see other occurrences of the same...

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Re: Problem with compiling kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, 8 May 2007 16:11:54 -0400, Celejar  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> On Tue, 08 May 2007 12:47:28 -0500
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> On Tue, 8 May 2007 16:10:29 +0200, Raffaele Morelli
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> 
>> > That's ok, I follow the general (healthy) rule and do not log as
>> > root if unnecessary, but for kernel (and program) compile I can not
>> > picture 'make-kpkg' or 'configure && make' doing something
>> > regrettable.
>> 
>> Thanks for the vote of confidence, but you know, you should not have
>> to do this.  make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image should work
>> perfectly well.

> When I'm not being lazy, I often do it that way, largely because you
> suggest it in the docs.
>> From /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz:

> With the addition of fakeroot ( a really nice program, I recommend
>  it). Steps 1 to 4 can be carried out as a non root user. Step 5 does
>  require root privileges.

Hmm. I should amend that to say:
 Step 5 does require (fake)root privileges.

I did not mean it to be a suggestion; I only meant it was
 possible. Which it is.

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DOH!!--I meant to ask this:

[pizzapie_linuxanchovies]

DOH!!--I meant to ask this:  Anyone who can do a make-kpkg under a non-root 
account--what permissions do you see when you say ls -l /usr/bin/[b]dpkg[/b]?


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Re: Problem with compiling kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue,  8 May 2007 20:50:13 +0200 (CEST), pizzapie linuxanchovies <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> said: 

> Thanks to everyone who replied with ideas about my post.  Let me give
> quick replies to the questions you asked me:

> Manoj--yes, dpkg is in /usr/bin, and is in the user's path, but no
> normal user has execute access to dpkg: $ ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg
> -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 174040 May 26 2005 /usr/bin/dpkg I temporarily
> removed bastille from my system, thinking maybe that changed
> permissions on dpkg, but that didn't help.  Also, I tried
> dpkg-statoverride --list, but found no overrides on the permissions of
> dpkg.  So I'm now reasonably sure Debian comes with only root having
> access to dpkg, despite it being in /usr/bin.

Nope. However, it is reasonably easy to get reasonably sure:
__> ll /usr/bin/dpkg
332 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 332556 2007-05-08 10:39 /usr/bin/dpkg
__> dpkg-deb --contents dpkg_1.14.1_i386.deb | grep /usr/bin
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2007-05-08 10:39 ./usr/bin/
-rwxr-xr-x root/root332556 2007-05-08 10:39 ./usr/bin/dpkg
-rwxr-xr-x root/root 73252 2007-05-08 10:39 ./usr/bin/dpkg-query
-rwxr-xr-x root/root192332 2007-05-08 10:39 ./usr/bin/dpkg-deb
-rwxr-xr-x root/root 36556 2007-05-08 10:39 ./usr/bin/dpkg-split

> Andrew (and anyone else who can do a make-kpkg under a non-root
> account)--what permissions do YOU see when you say ls -l
> /usr/bin/root?
__> ll /usr/bin/root
ls: /usr/bin/root: No such file or directory

I have never ever run make-kpkg as root. I don't think you
 should either. Unless you know something I don't?

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Re: Really annoying.

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:38:03PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:

> Tomorrow my Etch is going to turn into Sid.  I let you know how it does.
>  Worst case scenario I can reinstall Etch.

Before reinstalling Etch you can try to install directly to sid using
either of those methods (though I prefer the business-card image):

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images

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Re: Command line wave player

[Eric d'Alibut]

On 5/8/07, Karl E. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The "aplay" command from the alsa-utils package will play .wav files.


Supah. And, I even have that package already installed! Who knew? 
Wicked pissah!

Thanks,

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Re: (solved on my own) Re: how to use dpkg to list some packages

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:47:25PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:

> > Just send a bug severity 'wishlist' with 'reportbug synaptic'.

> Where do I send this too Andrei? I've just posted this evening to the 3 
> synaptic maintainers, and all have been effectively bounced back. See my 
> reply to Cybe R.Wizard on the list.

:) reportbug will send it for you to the BTS (Bug Tracking System) where
it will be automatically forwarded to the maintainer.

> I mean. I'm not complaining about Synaptic. I think it's great. All I wanted 
> to do was make a suggestion to make the scrolling a bit easier.

reportbug is the way. Trust the force Luke.

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Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:39:06PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> 
> That type of law is one reason.  Iraq and general foreign policy is another.
> 
See, I thought the main reason that many Europeans were opposed to US
involvement in Iraq was because they were illegally profiting in Iraq in
violation of the UN sanctions.

> Yes, we must hope.  To remove hope would admit defeat.  Although I do
> not have a lot of faith in any of the Democrats either.  As long as the
> political system does not change, I don't see a lot of progress being
> made.  There, you don't have enough strong political parties, here we
> have too many.
> 
I think you are way wrong here.  The Republicans and Democrats are *so*
strong that they are effectively in a stalemate.  They are also so big
that they have effectively consigned every potential third party
contender to the sidelines.  Besides, lots of people (around 50%) in the
US still have more faith in the Republicans than they do in the
Democrats.

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Re: Command line wave player

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:42:06PM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:
> I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
> waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
> anybody?

The "aplay" command from the alsa-utils package will play .wav files.
Alternatively, the "play" command from the sox package should do the
trick too..

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Re: (solved on my own) Re: how to use dpkg to list some packages

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:29:58PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> 
> Not your fault man, but I emailed to all 3 maintainers there and all got 
> thrown back. See below.
> 
>  - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Failed; 5.3.0 (other or undefined mail system status)
> 
> Remote MTA master.debian.org: network error
> 
This may be a greylisting thing.  It sends a non-permanent error on the
first time you try and send.  A compliant mail server will retry the
connection in a few hours, at which point the mail will be accepted.  A
spammer will not have time to try again and so will not bother.

> 
>  - SMTP protocol diagnostic: 550 Administrative prohibition
> 
> and
> 
> Today 20:05:22
> 
>  - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)
> 
> Remote MTA perninha.conectiva.com.br: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.1.1 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay 
> recipient table
> 
> and again
> 
> Today 20:05:23
> 
>  - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)
> 
> Remote MTA mx-ha01.web.de: SMTP diagnostic: 550 Unknown local part 
> sebastien.heinlein in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
Not sure about these.

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Re: Delete garbage in /var

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:09:05PM -0300, Valdir Marcos wrote:

> How can I identify what is garbage in /var?

Define 'garbage', your definition of garbage may be different than that
of other people. (You can free some space in /var with
'aptitude autoclean'

> How can I delete files and directories older than a specific date?

'man find'

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Re: TeTex to TeXLive

[Micha Feigin]

On 07 May 2007 23:35:59 GMT
Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 2007-05-07, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tyler Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I just jumped in, and the only issue I had was getting my source files
> >> (ie. non-standard .bst, .bib, .cls files) into the right directories
> >
> > If you have non-standard files you should put them in ~/texmf and then run
> > texhash ~/texmf.
> > This way they survive whatever update you've got and the hash is local so I
> > didn't have to rerun texhash after the update
> >
> 
> What I found, thanks to help from others here (Florian I think it
> was...) was that the directory structure under ~/texmf has to mirror
> that of /usr/share/texmf-texlive/. So just putting a .bst file in
> ~/texmf and running mktexlsr (=texhash?) didn't work. It needed to be
> in ~/texmf/bibtex/bst/.
> 

I had to do that also for tetex 

> Anyways, the rest works out fine.
> 
> Tyler
> 
> 


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Re: Delete garbage in /var

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:09:05PM -0300, Valdir Marcos wrote:
>  
> # du -skh *
> 661Kbackups
> 125Mcache

You can probably get rid of most of this by running `apt-get clean`.

> 27M lib

Seems reasonable.

> 1,0Klocal
> 1,0Klock
> 175Mlog
> 12K lost+found
> 2,0Kmail
> 1,0Kopt
> 117Krun
> 280Mspool

Do you keep a lot of mail and news on your system?  Do you have lots of
users?  If you are the only one, then clean up your inbox and other
mailboxes.  If you have other users, ask them to do the same.

> 2,0Ktmp
> 160Mwww

More than likely, you put everything that is in /var/www in there.  If
you no longer need some or any of the things in there, then clean them
out.

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Re: PCI controller issues and stable Debian vs latest ubuntu

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 08:33:03AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 06:03:32PM +, Tim Johnson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 08 May 2007 00:31, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >  
> >   Burned and booted ... here's what I saw when I started the install:
> >   Debian tells me the following:
> >   "Primary Network Interface:
> >eth0: firewire (IEEE 1394) ethernet device
> >eth1: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 4353
> >"
> >Gadzooks! This differs from what the current kubuntu 7.04 installation
> >is telling me. Ubuntu tells me that my network interface is at 
> >eth0 (from the systems-> menu) and somehow I got the impression
> >that this was the device picked up by lspci as
> >"03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown 
> > device 
> > 4353 (rev 14)"
> 
> For some reason that I don't know about, the kernel (or udev?) thinks
> that firewire is a network interface.  When the installer asks you which
> device to use, I'd pick eth1.

Actually: tcp/ip over firewire is not unheard of. And quite well
supported as far as I know (although for those who care: apparently no
longer supported in MS Vista ?)

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Re: sendmail and exim4

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 06:04:42PM -0300, Valdir Marcos wrote:
> init---atd
>  +-bash
>  +-cron---firebird
>  ¦  +-sendmail
>  +-cron---cron---sendmail
>  ¦ +-sh---curl
>  +-dhclient
>  +-exim4
> 
> 
> How can I discover what sendmail and exim4 are doing in my Debian Sarge?
> Tho whom they send messages in a server that, theoricaly, neither have POP 
> nor SMTP working?

AFAIK sendmail is provided by exim4. exim4 (or some other MTA) is needed
also for local mail, for example cron mailing errors to root.

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Andrei
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Re: Really annoying.

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 10:38:03PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> 
> But I would not recommend people new to GNU/Linux to run Sid.  I still
> only have less than a year's experience.  It's only been a couple of
> months since I formatted my ntfs partition.
> 
> Tomorrow my Etch is going to turn into Sid.  I let you know how it does.
>  Worst case scenario I can reinstall Etch.
> 

Do this in four stages:

Change /etc/apt/sources.list to reference lenny

aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade ; aptitude install -sf ; 
aptitude keep all

Change /etc/apt/sources.list to reference sid

aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade ; aptitude install -sf ; 
aptitude keep all

Skipping direct from Etch -> Sid is not necessarily supported.
If you break up the long lines for aptitude into their component parts,
you may have more luck resolving problems / missing packages as you go.

[apt-get / dselect would also work with more or less the same degree of 
success.]

> I accept your challenge.
> 
Be prepared to accept significant amounts of package churn from 
time to time. 

If you need to revert from Sid -> Lenny, one of the easiest ways is 
just to not update for a significant period, say a month - allowing 
packages from Sid to percolate gradually to Etch over a period of time - 
then change the /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade with Etch. With luck, 
very little will need to be changed/downgraded.

Testing -> stable downgrades are not necessarily very easy and are not 
readily supported or supportable: success depends very much on which 
packages and how many packages you have installed.

> Joe

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Re: cron and CRON

[Bob McGowan]

Valdir Marcos wrote:

Take a look:

# pstree
init─┬─atd
 ├─bash
 ├─cron─┬─firebird
 │  └─sendmail
 ├─cron───cron─┬─sendmail
 │ └─sh───curl

---deleted extra content
 
 
 
# ps aux | grep cron
root 14094  0.0  0.1  1764  820 ?Ss   00:21   0:00 
/usr/sbin/cron

root 14256  0.0  0.1  1848  708 pts/0R+   01:42   0:00 grep cron
r# ps aux | grep CRON
root 12156  0.0  0.1  2056  936 ?SMay05   0:00 
/USR/SBIN/CRON
root 14098  0.0  0.1  2056  940 ?S00:28   0:00 
/USR/SBIN/CRON
 
Why is there two processes with "cron"?


I don't see anything like this on my system.

Also, I notice that the prompt for the second 'ps aux' is 'r# ' rather 
than just '# '.  This could just be a cut and paste error, but if it's 
real, then you've done something between the two ps runs that we need to 
know about.


Bob


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Re: swap

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 02:46:01PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

[bunch of stuff on bad websites]

> 
> Short of getting into user quota, is there any way to keep an innocent
> user (me) from inadvertantly crashing (ok, grinding to a thrashing halt)
> the whole system just because I viewed a teaching-hospital's web site?
> 
> I see from another post that its fine in Sid.  Perhaps when the lenny
> dust settles, I should move the amd64 up to Lenny.  I'm on dialup and the
> amd64 is my main box (and server for other boxes) so don't want the
> occasional breakage that running sid can entail.

note that "fine from sid" refers to a k7 architecture.

> 
> When ready to do that (is it OK now?) do I just change my sources.list
> from etch to lenny and use aptitude (interactive) like normal?

yep. I'd wait a while still before moving up.

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Re: Really annoying.

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 02:28:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/08/07 14:17, Joe Hart wrote:
> [snip]
> > 
> > 
> > Joe Hart is not worthy of being an ethicist.  Although he does have
> > strong opinions, that is exactly what they are.  I mean come on, the guy
> > isn't really running Debian.  He uses Sidux.  What kind of ethical
> > statement is that?
> > 
> 
> Ethics has nothing to do with it.  He's just not manly enough to run
> Sid.

oh bu

really though. I wasn't suggesting that Joe Hart be a moderator. Just
the resident ethicist so that we have someone to blame when we're
bad. 

When n00b complains about getting flamed for asking silly questions we
can say:

Joe said it was okay and he's the resident ethicist so stfu n00b!!!

:)

A


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Re: Quote or double quote error in crontab

[Bob McGowan]

Valdir Marcos wrote:

In crontab, I have:
00 01   * * 1-7 root/usr/bin/sarg -f /etc/squid/sarg-diario.conf -d 
`(date --date "1 day ago" +%d/%m/%Y)`-`(date --date "1 day ago" +%d/%m/%Y)`
 
And this line generate the following message:


 From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sun Apr 22 01:00:01 2007
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:00:01 -0300
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Cron Daemon)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /usr/bin/sarg -f 
/etc/squid/sarg-diario.conf -d `(date --date "1 day ago" +

X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 


X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:00:01 -0300
 
/bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``'

/bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
 
 
When I execute this exact line in the prompt there is no error message. 
The command is executed perfectly.
 
How can I solve this problem?
 


I'm not sure about the 'why' but I may have a solution.

Put the command line in a script file and put the script file in the 
crontab.


This has several advantages:

 1.  You can avoid problems like this one.  crontab files are quite 
picky about their contents.
 2.  You can do all the fancy scripting stuff you're used to using in 
"normal" scripts (because it's in fact just another normal script).
 3.  You can edit the script at any time without having to deal with 
the crontab command.  No worries about accidentally clobbering the 
crontab content, changing something incorrectly, etc.
 4.  You can run the script directly to test it.  Immediate feedback is 
available.



Generally, most real world admins use this technique (at least the ones 
I know;).


Bob


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Re: (solved on my own) Re: how to use dpkg to list some packages

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 08 May 2007 18:50, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:50:19PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > it would be a nice feature for Synaptic's scrollbar to have both slow,
> > and fast, up, and down arrows.
> >
> > Perhaps I should put this to Synaptic's maintainer. Anyone know who that
> > is?
>
> Just send a bug severity 'wishlist' with 'reportbug synaptic'.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei

Where do I send this too Andrei? I've just posted this evening to the 3 
synaptic maintainers, and all have been effectively bounced back. See my 
reply to Cybe R.Wizard on the list.

I mean. I'm not complaining about Synaptic. I think it's great. All I wanted 
to do was make a suggestion to make the scrolling a bit easier.

Never mind.

Nigel.


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Command line wave player

[Eric d'Alibut]

I seem to recall a linux command line wave player -- wavp, or
waveplay, or something like that? Does that ring any bells with
anybody?

Alternatively, has anyone tried to build the *bsd audioplay package on linux?


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Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law

[Joe Hart]

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> On Tue, 08 May 2007 19:08:11 +0200
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>> Jostein Elvaker Haande wrote:
>>> I'm left speechless, honestly...
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070507-record-shops-used-cds-ihre-papieren-bitte.html
>>>
>> Ha! Makes me glad I don't live there.  Looks to me like another reason
>> to download music from the Internet.  I really cannot understand how a
>> government that claims "to be the leaders of the free world" can be so
>> against the people.  No wonder so many people are starting to think
>> poorly of the U.S. government.
> 
> Do you really think that 
> a) that's why so many people think poorly of the US government?

That type of law is one reason.  Iraq and general foreign policy is another.

> b) other governments have much less burdensome, anti-consumer
> legislation? The EU is not known as a low profile, anti-regulation
> outfit. Remember banana curve regs?

Oh yes, that is why I point out the future United States of Europe.
Believe me, I don't agree with many thing the EU does.

> 
>> We can hope that things like this will change when the Democrats get
>> control.  Don't hold your breath.
> 
> Hope may spring eternal within the human breast, but why would we
> expect that to be the case? Are the Dems less beholden to Hollywood and
> the recording industry, ideologically more opposed to government
> control of economic activity, or just plain more sensible and fair :).
> [Just teasing; don't take this as a flame!] 

Yes, we must hope.  To remove hope would admit defeat.  Although I do
not have a lot of faith in any of the Democrats either.  As long as the
political system does not change, I don't see a lot of progress being
made.  There, you don't have enough strong political parties, here we
have too many.

> 
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Directory name like YYYYMMMDD in Squid

[Valdir Marcos]

Is there a way on Sarg to name Squid directories as MMMDD instead of 
DDMMM?

drwxr-x---   4 squid squid  1024 2007-04-08 06:25 07Apr2007-07Apr2007
drwxr-x---  13 squid squid  1024 2006-12-08 06:25 07Dec2006-07Dec2006
drwxr-x---  14 squid squid  1024 2007-02-08 06:25 07Feb2007-07Feb2007
drwxr-x---  13 squid squid  1024 2007-03-08 06:25 07Mar2007-07Mar2007
drwxr-x---  13 squid squid  1024 2007-05-08 06:28 07May2007-07May2007

Thanks,

Valdir

Delete garbage in /var

[Valdir Marcos]

How can I identify what is garbage in /var?
How can I delete files and directories older than a specific date?
 
# df -h
Sist. Arq.Tam   Usad Disp  Uso% Montado em
/dev/sda2 449M  132M  293M  32% /
tmpfs 248M 0  248M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1  89M   11M   73M  13% /boot
/dev/sda8 1,8G   11M  1,7G   1% /home
/dev/sda9  39G 13,6G 25,3G  35% /srv
/dev/sda7 449M  8,1M  417M   2% /tmp
/dev/sda5 2,8G  341M  2,3G  13% /usr
/dev/sda6 1,8G  774M  918M  46% /var
 
# du -skh *
661Kbackups
125Mcache
27M lib
1,0Klocal
1,0Klock
175Mlog
12K lost+found
2,0Kmail
1,0Kopt
117Krun
280Mspool
2,0Ktmp
160Mwww


Thanks,

Valdir

Re: (solved on my own) Re: how to use dpkg to list some packages

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 08 May 2007 18:34, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> > Perhaps I should put this to Synaptic's maintainer. Anyone know who
> > that is?
> >
> > Nigel.
>
>  menu, click , then 
>
> Cybe R. Wizard

Not your fault man, but I emailed to all 3 maintainers there and all got 
thrown back. See below.

 - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Failed; 5.3.0 (other or undefined mail system status)

Remote MTA master.debian.org: network error


 - SMTP protocol diagnostic: 550 Administrative prohibition

and

Today 20:05:22

 - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)

Remote MTA perninha.conectiva.com.br: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.1.1 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay 
recipient table

and again

Today 20:05:23

 - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)

Remote MTA mx-ha01.web.de: SMTP diagnostic: 550 Unknown local part 
sebastien.heinlein in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I've always found it's a bit of a joke trying to contact package maintainers, 
and I wonder why their e-mail addresses are even put in the "about's" for the 
packages.

I'll just continue to work with synaptic as it is. It's no big deal, and just 
thought that my suggestion would have made it a bit easier to use.

Nigel.


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sendmail and exim4

[Valdir Marcos]

init---atd
 +-bash
 +-cron---firebird
 ¦  +-sendmail
 +-cron---cron---sendmail
 ¦ +-sh---curl
 +-dhclient
 +-exim4


How can I discover what sendmail and exim4 are doing in my Debian Sarge?
Tho whom they send messages in a server that, theoricaly, neither have POP nor 
SMTP working?

Thanks,

Valdir

cron and CRON

[Valdir Marcos]

Take a look:

# pstree
init---atd
 +-bash
 +-cron---firebird
 ¦  +-sendmail
 +-cron---cron---sendmail
 ¦ +-sh---curl
 +-dhclient
 +-events/0---aio/0
 ¦  +-ata/0
 ¦  +-kacpid
 ¦  +-kblockd/0
 ¦  +-khelper
 ¦  +-2*[pdflush]
 +-exim4
 +-fbguard---fbserver
 +-5*[getty]
 +-inetd
 +-khubd
 +-7*[kjournald]
 +-klogd
 +-kseriod
 +-ksoftirqd/0
 +-kswapd0
 +-lpd
 +-named
 +-nmbd
 +-ntpd
 +-portmap
 +-rpc.statd
 +-scsi_eh_0
 +-scsi_eh_1
 +-smbd---smbd
 +-squid---squid---unlinkd
 +-sshd---sshd---sshd---bash---bash---pstree
 +-syslogd

 
 
# ps aux | grep cron
root 14094  0.0  0.1  1764  820 ?Ss   00:21   0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root 14256  0.0  0.1  1848  708 pts/0R+   01:42   0:00 grep cron
r# ps aux | grep CRON
root 12156  0.0  0.1  2056  936 ?SMay05   0:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON
root 14098  0.0  0.1  2056  940 ?S00:28   0:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON

Why is there two processes with "cron"?

Quote or double quote error in crontab

[Valdir Marcos]

In crontab, I have:
00 01   * * 1-7 root/usr/bin/sarg -f /etc/squid/sarg-diario.conf -d `(date 
--date "1 day ago" +%d/%m/%Y)`-`(date --date "1 day ago" +%d/%m/%Y)`

And this line generate the following message:

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Apr 22 01:00:01 2007
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:00:01 -0300
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /usr/bin/sarg -f /etc/squid/sarg-diario.conf 
-d `(date --date "1 day ago" +
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:00:01 -0300
 
/bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``'
/bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file


When I execute this exact line in the prompt there is no error message. The 
command is executed perfectly.

How can I solve this problem?

Upgrading from Sarge to Etch

[Valdir Marcos]

1. How can I backup my Debian 3.1 server before upgrading to 4.0?

# cat /etc/debian_version
3.1

# uname
2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux



2. How can I upgrade a server Sarge in productiopn to Etch? I do not have a 
graphic environment. Really important is just samba, iptables and  squid.



3. Every night, the server tries to upgrades itself by: 
00 04 * * * root apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && apt-get -y dist-upgrade

But I receive the following error messagem:
 
Teh following packages are going to kept:
  file libkrb53 libmagic1
0 packages updated, 0 packages instaled, 0 to be removed and 3 not updated.

The three packages are importante, once the server is not yet upgraded to 
version 4?



Thanks,

Valdir

Re: Really annoying.

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/08/07 15:38, Joe Hart wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/08/07 14:17, Joe Hart wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> 
>>> Joe Hart is not worthy of being an ethicist.  Although he does have
>>> strong opinions, that is exactly what they are.  I mean come on, the guy
>>> isn't really running Debian.  He uses Sidux.  What kind of ethical
>>> statement is that?
>>> 
>> Ethics has nothing to do with it.  He's just not manly enough to run
>> Sid.
> 
> 
> Is that what it is?  Hmm, I could, but then I would be begging this list
> for help all the time. ;)  Well, maybe I should do that anyway since I
> do have one problem that I cannot seem to solve.
> 
> Considering that I am still a noob, I can feel proud that I can pluck
> things from experimental and still have no broken packages.  I have even
> managed to edit a few files and written a couple of scripts, Oh boy.

Heh.  Everyone starts out as a newbie.  My first Linux was
pre-installed Mandrake.  I'd have never survived Debian back then
when Woody was still Testing.

> Why don't I run Sid?  The same reason many others run Lenny.  They are
> afraid of Sid.  Although I have to say, problems get fixed in Sid long
> before they get fixed in Lenny, and as I am getting more familiar with
> Debian, I am becoming less afraid of it.  At least I am no longer
> running Kubuntu.  I got bored with Etch because it is too stable for me
> to learn how to fix things.  I was planning on running Lenny when I
> found Sidux.  It seemed the best fit for me.  Maybe I should try Sid
> directly and see what the difference is.  I have a feeling that it is
> less than I think, but there's only one way to find out.
>
> But I would not recommend people new to GNU/Linux to run Sid.  I still
> only have less than a year's experience.  It's only been a couple of
> months since I formatted my ntfs partition.

Too true.  I recommend Ubuntu to newbies, especially those who only
know Windows.

> Tomorrow my Etch is going to turn into Sid.  I let you know how it does.
>  Worst case scenario I can reinstall Etch.
> 
> I accept your challenge.

I hope your /home is on a separate partition

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