Re: Wireless Configuration Problem

[Volkan YAZICI]

Hi,

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> a)  Have you tried connecting without WPA?

No, I haven't yet. (I don't have rights to fiddle with AP configuration
right now and cannot access to any other AP. But will try my chance
talking with the related personal and post results ASAP.)

But, I tried something similar:


  # iwlist wlan0 scan | grep FOREIGN-AP -A 9 -B 1
Cell 07 - Address: 00:11:95:DA:4A:2D
  ESSID:"FOREIGN-AP"
  Protocol:IEEE 802.11g
  Mode:Managed
  Frequency:2.447 GHz (Channel 8)
  Quality:14/100  Signal level:-87 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
  Encryption key:off
  Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
12 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
  Extra:bcn_int=100
  
  # cat /etc/network/interfaces
  ...
  iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-driver wext
wpa-ssid FOREIGN-AP
  
  # ifup wlan0
  ...
  Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:1a:73:98:de:9c
  Sending on   LPF/wlan0/00:1a:73:98:de:9c
  Sending on   Socket/fallback
  DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
  DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
  DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
  DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15
  DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 18
  DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
  No DHCPOFFERS received.
  No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.

I don't know if FOREIGN-AP has any DHCP service or not, but at least I
tried my chance. They may have some sort of IP/MAC based protection too,
I dunno. (Tried replacing "dhcp" with "static" and using 192.168.1.{1,2}
as gateway addresses with no luck.)

> b)  What doesn't work in your setup?  Can you ping the AP?  Please
> describe in detail what works, if anything, and what doesn't.

Yep, I cannot ping the gateway, despite "wpa_cli status" tells me
wpa_state=COMPLETED. If you'd suggest me other ways to collect related
diagnostics, I'll happily report them too.


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Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[Steve Lamb]

Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> At the moment the only use i have for XP is for games, which i seldom
> play anyway. I have Half-Life 2, Quakes 1, 2 and 4, Soldier of Fortune
> 2 and Thief 3... Mostly shooters which usually are demanding as far as
> graphics and framerate go. I have a lot of guests so occasionaly i do
> reboot into XP, which is annoying, i'd rather open a window within my
> session.

> I've heard a lot about VMware and afaik using wine would not really
> cut it, even though wine's not an emulator. I'll dig into VirtualBox,
> Xen and kvm.

Xen won't work.  AFAIK that requires kernel patches for the guest OS to
work under the Hypervisor.  Trivial in an OSS kernel like Linux or the *BSDs
but, uh, a non-starter with Redmond kernels.  I think the same goes for kvm.

Honestly, best suggestion is wine.  The last time I poked at gaming under
Linux was on an Ubuntu partition a few months ago.  WoW ran perfectly but
patching was wonky.  EVE-O worked great.  Those are the only two I tried but
the frames were with 3-5 of native.  IE, negligible drop.

Prior to that I tried Cedega from Transgaming.  There is a monthly
subscription but if Wine cannot do it chances are Cedega will.  And if Cedega
doesn't do it, paying the monthly fee gives you a voice on what games they
should focus on next.  Cedega ran CoH and Steam + HL2 + CS:S perfectly.  Of
course at the time I had a 9800Pro and had to swap it out for my ancient
GeForce3 to run.  Frames sucked but that was because of the huge backwards
step in hardware.

I would not be surprised if HL2, SoF2 and Thief 2 ran under plain ol'
wine.  As for Q1, Q2 and Q4 that's a no-brainer.  Run them natively!

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Re: Games on a Redmond virtual machine.

[Steve Lamb]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> As for myself, I was just answering the question.  BTW, the newest game
> I have "Sins of a Solar Empire" is pretty high spec and works out of the
> box with wine.  I just tested it today.  Works with out flaws.

One of these days I'll have to sneak back into my Ubuntu install to see if
Wine will work with PotBS.  So far for MMOs the best thing I've found to do is
leave a Windows install to patch up to the latest version then rsync it over
to the Linux partition to play.

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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 07:25:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> old disk.  The newly inserted disks will have a different UUID, and,
> should we use UUIDs, the operation will require reconfiguring the host
> to mount the new drives, which is a hassle.

You can use filesystem labels, they are easiser to configure on the
drives than uuids

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Re: How to create an ssh chain A->B->C to do http over ssh across the chain?

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:31:07AM -0400, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> Here is the situation. You have machines A->B->C. You want to create a ssh 
> tunnel directly
> from A to C.
> 
> Machine A can see machine B and machine B can see C, but A can't see C 
> directly.
> A and B are on a local network and only B has 'limited net access'.
> 
> I know how to ssh in from A to B and  then again from B to C. But I want a 
> direct tunnel.
> This would work for http over ssh or perhaps to run  X say. 
> 
> Thus I know how to browse while logged on B through using C via a ssh tunnel 
> from B to C. 

In case you want to set up a multi-level ssh connection for port
forwarding etc., the following helped me:

http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2007/12/15/using-a-ssh-jumphost.html

HTH.

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How to create an ssh chain A->B->C to do http over ssh across the chain?

[Mitchell Laks]

Hi,

Here is the situation. You have machines A->B->C. You want to create a ssh 
tunnel directly
from A to C.

Machine A can see machine B and machine B can see C, but A can't see C directly.
A and B are on a local network and only B has 'limited net access'.

I know how to ssh in from A to B and  then again from B to C. But I want a 
direct tunnel.
This would work for http over ssh or perhaps to run  X say. 

Thus I know how to browse while logged on B through using C via a ssh tunnel 
from B to C. 

Thus:

In firefox, you use localhost:8080 
in the socks host settings for manual proxy configuration.
then you set up a ssh tunnel

ssh -ND 8080 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or can set up X etc.

Now how can you extend that tunnel from  machine B  back to machine A so that
you can use the  same tunnel from B to C.

Is there a way to set up a ?"socks tunnel" on B to accomodate a "ssh in" from A?

Thus we would be able to use the same firefox set up for A to  get to C.

Thanks,

Mitchell
  



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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Nate Bargmann]

* Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 18 04:18 -0500]:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:43:01 -0500
> Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to
> > understanding Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in
> > the article.  As mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal
> > mentioned only guaranteed more people would read the article.
> 
> I understood it and I'm English.  I resent the assumption that only
> Americans can see the point and demand that the colonials surrender to
> the Imperial Forces of the British Empire immediately... :oP

I think you're almost 235 years late to the Tea Party ol' Chap!  ;-)

> When I was selling websites, I would say "all the software it runs on
> is free, and the site design is £500".  People didn't buy it.  As soon
> as I said, "We can build you a website and host it for £500 with a
> monthly fee of £25, we couldn't sell things fast enough.

Perception is reality to many people.  They perceived value from your
pricing but perceived that the free offering wasn't any good as even
you didn't have the faith in it to charge them for it.

Remember, "Nobody got fired for buying IBM^H^H^HMicrosoft."

- Nate >>

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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/18/08 10:18, Luke S Crawford wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Or... don't buy sucky h/w in the first place.  If you *really* care
>> about your data, you spend the extra bucks for quality h/w that has
>> a competent support staff behind it.  And you pay for an adequate
>> backup solution!
> 
> I think most people on this list are not looking to blow a Porsche (or more)
> on a netapp or EMC storage appliance.  sure, they're great if you've

We just bought 2 Linux clusters with (I think) EVA 5000 SANs.  40
total TB of SCSI drives, I think.

Obviously, though, by "we", I don't mean the wife & I.  :)

> got the scratch, and if your data is really valuable, they might even make 
> economic sense.But they don't make sense for your average debian user, 
> who could buy several thousand backup  workstations or servers  for
> the price of one of the aforementioned 'good' raid boxes.  
> 
> What we are looking for here is a "good enough" raid solution... something

For a given definition of "good enough".

OP is at a Uni, and mentioned using 16-24 drives.  Thus I get the
impression that he needs capacity, speed & reliability.  An $800
controller won't add that much on top of the cost of the drives,
shelves & power supplies.

> that costs significantly less than completely duplicating the $800 server
> or workstation in question, (meaning most "good" raid solutions you
> speak of are right out.)  and that gives a significantly better MBTF 
> (and/or performance) than just one disk.  
> 
> Personally,  I run on a mix of single disks and software mirrors... but if 
> someone knows of a raid card that (along with a redundant disk) doesn't 
> double the cost of my server and that significantly increases MBTF or 
> performance over software mirroring, I'm all ears.  

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Nate Bargmann]

* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 18 17:50 -0500]:
> On Tue, March 18, 2008 2:39 pm, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 18 15:09 -0500]:
> >> > On 03/17/08 20:43, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >> >> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to understanding
> >> >> Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in the article.  As
> >> >> mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal mentioned only
> >> >> guaranteed more people would read the article.
> 
> >> >> H, kind of proves the point!
> 
> >> Not really, Nate, look how many people didn't read the article because
> >> of the sex scandal lead.  :P
> 
> > And I gather that the two that posted about not reading it that I
> > replied to are not in the USA where such a salacious lead-in works all
> > too well quite often.
> 
> I was one of the two and am very much an American.  :P

Hmmm, not the way Mutt threaded things here.  I replied to Thierry who
had replied to TONG who had replied to Ron.

No matter, really.  :-)

- Nate >>

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Re: [Solved] grep and cron & command line

[s. keeling]

T o n g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:54:46 -0700, Bob McGowan wrote:
> > 
> > What's happening is the grep you're running is sometimes finding itself. 
> 
>  That's exactly the reason. As you can see from my script that I've already

The lesson is, "ps | grep blah" will find "grep blah" in the ps list:

(0) phreaque /home/keeling_ ps aux | grep acpid
root10  0.0  0.0  0 0 ?S<   Mar13   0:00 [kacpid]
root  2228  0.0  0.1   1572   568 ?Ss   Mar13   0:00 
/usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket
keeling  27188  0.0  0.1   3692   640 pts/2R+   20:47   0:00 grep acpid

Note that last line.  It has nothing to do with whether acpid is
actually running or not.  Aka, noise.


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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

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On Mar 18, 9:10 pm, Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think he means he wants to map a device node to a device _location_
> not a specific device, which happens by default with ide (ie, hda being
> ide primary master).
>
> using fstab with uuid's would mean that the same physical disk always
> mounts to the same place, which is of no use if he swaps a new disk with
> the same data as the old one (so would want to mount it in the same place)
>
> Please tell me if this is not what you meant.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, I'll try to restate the problem. :)

We have thirteen drive bays with removable SATA disks in a box used
for backups.  The bays are marked 1 through 13, and mount to /backup/
drive01 .. drive13.  Sometimes we replace some of the disks with new
ones (e.g. to store the old ones for long-term off-line backups), and
we want the replaced disk accessible at the same mount point as the
old disk.  The newly inserted disks will have a different UUID, and,
should we use UUIDs, the operation will require reconfiguring the host
to mount the new drives, which is a hassle.

In essence, we would like to be able to address partitions like it's
done in a BSD-derived Unix.  For example, in Solaris /dev/dsk/c1t4d5s7
means "controller 1 target 4 disk 5 slice 7".  Doesn't have to be the
same syntax, of course, but we'd like to be able to reliably address a
disk, connected to specific hardware address (a port of a SATA card).

Thanks!


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Re: cron and command quote

[T o n g]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:31:37 -0700, Bob McGowan wrote:

>>> So, '||' is just as legal as '&&' and would do just as it does on the 
>>> command line, assuming of course there is nothing found by the grep.
>>>
>>> I don't think the problem is the use of the OR or AND operators.  
>>> Rather it's the presences or absence of the line for the grep itself 
>>> being found in the ps output.

Exactly!

>>> But I may be missing something obvious?
>> 
>> Both are legal, but && is really what he is looking for . . .
> 
> Ahh!  I wasn't paying enough attention to the overall design, I guess. 
> It is obvious now that you would probably want to log only those cases 
> where the commands were found (success, or true, for command 1, as you 
> say).  Otherwise you'd have many thousands of "nothin's happenin here" 
> messages.

No Bob, actually your first interpretation was correct. Here is my OP:

I want to execute a cron task if I'm not burning CD/DVD. But the
actual command never get executed, even when I'm not burning CD/DVD. If I
redo the command from the command line, it is fine. . .

Hence my script work like this:

 $ is_burning || echo not burning CD/DVD
 not burning CD/DVD


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[Solved] grep and cron & command line

[T o n g]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:54:46 -0700, Bob McGowan wrote:

>>> Now the crontab reads:
>>>
>>>  * * * * *rootis_burning || logger get executed.
>>>
>>> + set -x
>>> + ps -eaf
>>> + grep -E  -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
>>> root 15306 15295  0 09:29 ?00:00:00 grep -E cdrecord.* 
>>> -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=
>>> + exit 0
>>>
>>> $ is_burning || echo not burning CD/DVD
>>> not burning CD/DVD
>>>
>>> I.e., having put the 'ps | grep' part into a shell script, the 
>>> behavior is still the same.
>>> Does it has anything to do with busybox?
> 
> If I followed the above discussion correctly, the OP's concern is that 
> sometimes the grep will return a result, even when the specified cd 
> related programs are not running, and that this happens when the grep is 
> run from cron but not from the command line.

Exactly. Right ON!
 
> If this is correct, the results you're seeing can in fact happen in 
> either case.  Whether you see a result or not is totally dependent on 
> the process scheduler, timing of execution slices and perhaps your 
> processor speed and/or if it's an SMP environment.
> 
> What's happening is the grep you're running is sometimes finding itself. 
>   For example:
> 
>ps -ef|grep firefox|cut -c1-60
>rmcgowan 17073 16974  0 08:13 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr
>rmcgowan 17080 17073  0 08:13 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr
>rmcgowan 17106 17080  0 08:13 ?00:00:59 /usr/local/f
>rmcgowan 30742 17130  0 10:49 pts/100:00:00 grep firefox
> 
> The last line is the grep that ran.  So, one line is sometimes returned, 
> even when firefox is not running.
> 
> There are a number of ways to get around the problem.  My favorite is to 
> use something that will show up in the ps output for the grep itself but 
> which will not be part of what you're looking for.  But this does 
> require using either the -l or -f options (which it looks like you are).
> 
>ps -ef | grep '[f]irefox'
> 
> will eliminate the grep command itself because the pattern can never 
> match itself. . . 
>
> I hope this helps solve your problem.

Bingo!!!

That's exactly the reason. As you can see from my script that I've already
applied the '[]' trick, but the trick wasn't applied to all 3 grep cases.
Having added '[]' to each of the grep cases, I finally see:

 Mar 18 21:29:01 cxmr logger: get executed.

Bravo!!! 

Thanks a lot to everyone who replied!

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Limit X tunnelling

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Hi, on one of my etch machines that heaps of people have access to (via
samba within my house and shells over the web) i want to limit X
tunnelling to those people on my lan.

One solution would be to limit it to the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet, which i
think i know how to do, but there will probablyh be times when i need to
do it from elsewhere, is there a way to limit it to users in a given group?

I'm using etch's openssh-server package to supply the openBSD shell
server, right now i have xtunnelling disabnled for all.
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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[Rich Healey]

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Bob McGowan wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On Mar 18, 4:00 pm, Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> There are numerous threads on how to fix the problem. Google should
>>> be your
>>> friend on that one
>>
>> I've searched a lot.  All the matches I'm getting are about tying
>> device names to specific *drives* or about solving boot-time issues.
>> We have a different problem.
>>
>> We don't want to attach device names to drive IDs because,
>> periodically, we replace the disks, and we don't want to have to
>> change configuration every time we swap a drive.  And we don't have
>> any boot issues, because our system drive is on "parallel" ATA.
>>
>> So, as before, any recipes would be appreciated.
>>
>>
> 
> I don't understand why using labels or ids wouldn't work.  This probably
> means I don't get what it is that you're doing.
> 
> You say you don't want to tie "device names to drive IDs because" you
> sometimes "replace" the disks and you don't want to change the
> configuration.
> 
> Perhaps the problem is with the 'replace'?  Just what does this mean, in
> your context?
> 
I think he means he wants to map a device node to a device _location_
not a specific device, which happens by default with ide (ie, hda being
ide primary master).

using fstab with uuid's would mean that the same physical disk always
mounts to the same place, which is of no use if he swaps a new disk with
the same data as the old one (so would want to mount it in the same place)

Please tell me if this is not what you meant.

Regards


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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Alex Samad]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:05:44AM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Alex Samad wrote:
>
> SNIP
>> well for 2.6.22 you couls also just do a m-a a-i vmware-server-kernel  
>> and a apt-get install vmware-XXX
>>
>> my problem was with 2.6.24.
>>
>> I try and do it with apt if possible
>
> If you make a .deb from alien and use dpkg -i, it is as if you are using  
> apt.  The packagemanager knows it is installed.  Apt is not magical.  It  
> is a front end to dpkg. 
true

>
> I can't remember how I hit on this method, however I can tell you I  
> don't like installing *.tar.gz unless I am making a .deb.  Using Alien  
> --with-scripts makes me a .deb.  So far in Debian Sid and in Ubuntu 7.10  
> this method has worked for VMworkstation and VMserver and you don't have  
> to muck with mod assistant. 
I will have to have a look at it. I guess before 2.6.24 module assist
wasn't a problem
>
>
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Re: Bug#468103: DISPLAY variable not set in ssh session

[Julien Cristau]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 19:40:56 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:

> It looks like the xterm package needs to depend on the xauth package -- 
> or at least recommend it.
>
No, this has nothing to do with xterm.  openssh-server already suggests
xauth (or actually xbase-clients), and documents why in README.Debian.

Cheers,
Julien


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

> 
> And I gather that the two that posted about not reading it that I
> replied to are not in the USA where such a salacious lead-in works all
> too well quite often.
> 

I basically clicked on the link, then saw the headline, did a search for the
word linux (which I could not find it, btw) and then decided it is not my
cup of tea.

Further, I already read the splitzer's news on WSJ the other day and did not
have enthusiasm to read it again (a conclusion that was reached solely on
the headline)!

raju
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Re: Using linux as an audio gateway for bluetooth phone

[e s]

Micha wrote:

Is it possible to stream music from my bluetooth phone (ericson) to my linux
box as an audio gateway (have the music sound from my pc speakers)?

thanks



looks like I was wrong, as the BlueZ site is
http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Luke S Crawford]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Or... don't buy sucky h/w in the first place.  If you *really* care
> about your data, you spend the extra bucks for quality h/w that has
> a competent support staff behind it.  And you pay for an adequate
> backup solution!

I think most people on this list are not looking to blow a Porsche (or more)
on a netapp or EMC storage appliance.  sure, they're great if you've
got the scratch, and if your data is really valuable, they might even make 
economic sense.But they don't make sense for your average debian user, 
who could buy several thousand backup  workstations or servers  for
the price of one of the aforementioned 'good' raid boxes.  

What we are looking for here is a "good enough" raid solution... something
that costs significantly less than completely duplicating the $800 server
or workstation in question, (meaning most "good" raid solutions you
speak of are right out.)  and that gives a significantly better MBTF 
(and/or performance) than just one disk.  

Personally,  I run on a mix of single disks and software mirrors... but if 
someone knows of a raid card that (along with a redundant disk) doesn't 
double the cost of my server and that significantly increases MBTF or 
performance over software mirroring, I'm all ears.  


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Re: libgconf2 dependencies..

[Rich Healey]

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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:32:00AM +1100, Rich Healey wrote:
>> I can't upgrade a lot of packages (perl for one) because apt says that:
>>
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>   libgconf2-4: Depends: gconf2-common (>= 2.22) but it is not going to
>> be installed
>>Depends: gconf2-common (< 2.23) but it is not going to be
>> installed
>> E: Broken packages
[snip]
> that looks like it might be corruption in your apt database. Try
> moving aside /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and updating. 
> 
> A

Hi,

I just tried that, it still comes back with the libgonf error..

When I update it seems to go awfully fast, is there somewhere else that
it's storing package lists?

I am reading this right aren't i.. My version of gconf2-common is
2.22.0.1 that's in the specified range..
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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Steve Lamb]

On Tue, March 18, 2008 2:39 pm, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 18 15:09 -0500]:
>> > On 03/17/08 20:43, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> >> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to understanding
>> >> Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in the article.  As
>> >> mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal mentioned only
>> >> guaranteed more people would read the article.

>> >> H, kind of proves the point!

>> Not really, Nate, look how many people didn't read the article because
>> of the sex scandal lead.  :P

> And I gather that the two that posted about not reading it that I
> replied to are not in the USA where such a salacious lead-in works all
> too well quite often.

I was one of the two and am very much an American.  :P


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/18/08 17:21, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:33:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 03/18/08 16:03, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/18/08 15:41, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
 [snip]
  
> changes in HD tech).  6.  I have seen dozens of catastrophic  hardware
> controller failures with complete data lost and not one mdadm failure.
> 
 That just means you're using sucky hardware.  We've been using h/w
 controllers for 15 years, and never had a problem.

 Of course, they are proprietary, and from a Tier 1 vendor, cost a
 lot of money, and maintenance fees are high.

 But we've never lost data from a controller failure.  (And damned
 little loss from any other reason, either, since there's a 24x7
 admin staff that pays attention to drive failure lights, and
 replaces them immediately.)

>>> And that detailed care makes all the difference in the world!  Now limp
>>> along with a drive failure, add a controller that needs updating and
>>> perform the update.  Suddenly you find the meta data is "unstable" and
>>> you can not recover from it.  I have NOT seen data loss from a
>>> professional, on the ball data center.
>> Well heck, no one who cares about his data would do that...  You
>> replace the drive, let it rebuild, and *then* do the update.
>>
>> Or... don't buy sucky h/w in the first place.  If you *really* care
>> about your data, you spend the extra bucks for quality h/w that has
>> a competent support staff behind it.  And you pay for an adequate
>> backup solution!
>>
>> Otherwise, "you" are blaming on the h/w the sins of the humans who
>> bought the crummy h/w.
> 
> See, here's the thing. That I in RAID is for inexpensive. The idea is to
> increase reliability on the cheap. You could engineer an amazing HD with a

No, it (was) to increase "single image" capacity.  Small-capacity
hard drives were expensive, but high-capacity drives were *REALLY*
expensive.  Much more expensive than simply the ratio of the
capacities would indicate.  I.e., a 300MB drives was much more than
10x the price of a 30MB drive.

(Am I seriously dating myself?)

> MTBF rating of 150 years (hyperbole, but you get the point), but it would
> be hideously expensive. Unless you are using RAID to improve I/O rather
> than for redundancy, putting expensive hardware into the equation defeats
> the purpose of a RAID in the first place.

We used (and still use) RAID for it's redundancy and higher
bandwidth.  We used it for it ability to create very large devices,
back when 36GB & 18GB were the norm.  (And many of those devices are
still chugging along.  DEC made damned fine hardware!)

> Since I don't have major I/O performance requirements, just redundancy
> requirements, I use software RAID. I probably always will. I know that even
> if 3ware (for example -- replace with the name of your favorite HW RAID
> manufacturer) goes out of business, my computer catches fire, and one of my
> mirrored drives dies, I can buy an off-the-shelf system, install Debian,
> and rebuild my RAID.

We (well, the company I work for) has much higher bandwidth needs
than that.  Which is why all new purchases now use SANs.  RAID 10
and a lot of cache makes a database really scream.  Then it's only
the FC switch that's the potential bottleneck...

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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Gregory Seidman]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:33:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> 
> On 03/18/08 16:03, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 03/18/08 15:41, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>  
> >>> changes in HD tech).  6.  I have seen dozens of catastrophic  hardware
> >>> controller failures with complete data lost and not one mdadm failure.
> >>> 
> >>
> >> That just means you're using sucky hardware.  We've been using h/w
> >> controllers for 15 years, and never had a problem.
> >>
> >> Of course, they are proprietary, and from a Tier 1 vendor, cost a
> >> lot of money, and maintenance fees are high.
> >>
> >> But we've never lost data from a controller failure.  (And damned
> >> little loss from any other reason, either, since there's a 24x7
> >> admin staff that pays attention to drive failure lights, and
> >> replaces them immediately.)
> >>
> > And that detailed care makes all the difference in the world!  Now limp
> > along with a drive failure, add a controller that needs updating and
> > perform the update.  Suddenly you find the meta data is "unstable" and
> > you can not recover from it.  I have NOT seen data loss from a
> > professional, on the ball data center.
> 
> Well heck, no one who cares about his data would do that...  You
> replace the drive, let it rebuild, and *then* do the update.
> 
> Or... don't buy sucky h/w in the first place.  If you *really* care
> about your data, you spend the extra bucks for quality h/w that has
> a competent support staff behind it.  And you pay for an adequate
> backup solution!
> 
> Otherwise, "you" are blaming on the h/w the sins of the humans who
> bought the crummy h/w.

See, here's the thing. That I in RAID is for inexpensive. The idea is to
increase reliability on the cheap. You could engineer an amazing HD with a
MTBF rating of 150 years (hyperbole, but you get the point), but it would
be hideously expensive. Unless you are using RAID to improve I/O rather
than for redundancy, putting expensive hardware into the equation defeats
the purpose of a RAID in the first place.

Since I don't have major I/O performance requirements, just redundancy
requirements, I use software RAID. I probably always will. I know that even
if 3ware (for example -- replace with the name of your favorite HW RAID
manufacturer) goes out of business, my computer catches fire, and one of my
mirrored drives dies, I can buy an off-the-shelf system, install Debian,
and rebuild my RAID.

> Ron Johnson, Jr.
--Greg


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 22:39, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 18 15:09 -0500]:
> > On Mon, March 17, 2008 10:10 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On 03/17/08 20:43, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > >> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to
> > >> understanding Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in
> > >> the article.  As mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal
> > >> mentioned only guaranteed more people would read the article.
> > >>
> > >> H, kind of proves the point!
> >
> > Not really, Nate, look how many people didn't read the article
> > because of the sex scandal lead.  :P
>
> And I gather that the two that posted about not reading it that I
> replied to are not in the USA where such a salacious lead-in works all
> too well quite often.
>

No, I read it, I was only saying I got to the same page as Tong, meaning: read 
it again..
Thierry


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Nate Bargmann]

* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 18 15:09 -0500]:
> On Mon, March 17, 2008 10:10 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 03/17/08 20:43, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to understanding
> >> Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in the article.  As
> >> mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal mentioned only
> >> guaranteed more people would read the article.
> 
> >> H, kind of proves the point!
> 
> Not really, Nate, look how many people didn't read the article because
> of the sex scandal lead.  :P

And I gather that the two that posted about not reading it that I
replied to are not in the USA where such a salacious lead-in works all
too well quite often.

> > Back to computers:
> >We're such a successful company, we can afford to buy Tier 1 kit,
> >and send all that money to MSFT.  And because we do, we *must*
> >be getting good stuff.
> 
> > (If that is, actually, an actual upper-management though process.)
> 
> Ron...  You know that's exactly actual upper-management thought process.
>  :)

I'm tempted to say that "upper-management thought" creates an oxymoron
until the word "process" is added behind them.  Then it makes all too much
sense.  :(

- Nate >>

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 03:27:20PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
...

> Perhaps that should be
> 
> s/If women are so weak they can't/If women have better things to do
> than/

very likely...

> 
> But I don't really know, just having noticed this subthread right
> abotu now, and not sufficiently motivated to go back and find the
> origin.  Did a lot of women who used to post here recently stop doing
> so?

not that I'm aware of. This thread was just a typical OT ramble that
stemmed from something else.

> 
> I really have no business in this discussion, since I just a couple of
> days ago thought, "Hrm, I should resubscribe to debian-user and see
> what's up."  Back in the day, I can't remember anyone doing anything
> particularly offensive to women on this list.  Certainly nothing on
> par with the slashdot and thedailywtf noise.

I think the most offensive thing to women on this list would be
exclamations about how easier it is to understand package foo than our
.

Although admittedly, there haven't been as many women in the mix
lately as say a few months ago. 

A


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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/18/08 16:27, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2008-03-18, Ron Johnson penned:
>> On 03/18/08 15:05, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> What outcry?  Ron's got a point.  Seems like all the ladies went to
>>> debian-women or something.
>> Serena Cantor & Michelle Konzack are the only two that I can think
>> of on this list.  And debian-women doesn't seem very busy.
>>
>> If women are so weak that they can't stand up for themselves when
>> guys start to get rude and obnoxious, there are bigger problems
>> afoot.
> 
> Perhaps that should be
> 
> s/If women are so weak they can't/If women have better things to do
> than/

That can be (and has been) debated endlessly, but is even further OT
than the current thread.

> But I don't really know, just having noticed this subthread right
> abotu now, and not sufficiently motivated to go back and find the
> origin.  Did a lot of women who used to post here recently stop doing
> so?
> 
> I really have no business in this discussion, since I just a couple of
> days ago thought, "Hrm, I should resubscribe to debian-user and see
> what's up."  Back in the day, I can't remember anyone doing anything
> particularly offensive to women on this list.  Certainly nothing on
> par with the slashdot and thedailywtf noise.
> 
>> - -- Ron Johnson, Jr.  Jefferson LA  USA
>>
>> "Working with women is a pain in the a**." My wife
> 
> I read the quote, got moderately offended, read the attribution,
> considered, decided she may have a point.
> 
> For values of "women" not including myself, of course.
> 
> I do wonder what the intent of including that in your sig is, especially
> in a primarily-male environment.

I tried to email you privately about this, but then noticed your
address.  If you want to discuss it, contact me off-list.

>   The "feel" would be different in a
> more evenly distributed crowd.

I don't feel, I think.  But that's probably just as inflammatory as
what my wife says...

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Jefferson LA  USA

"Working with women is a pain in the a**."
My wife
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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/18/08 15:44, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Tue March 18 2008 12:56:00 Michael S. Peek wrote:
>> But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
>> ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?
> 
> We use "nothing" for hardware RAID.  Software RAID is much more
> flexible.  With hardware RAID you always need to have a spare
> controller on hand, because without a matching replacement
> controller you can't retrieve your data after a controller failure.

That's what dual redundant controllers are for.  Both transfer data
for the same "device", and if one fails, the other keeps on plugging
away.

Obviously, performance suffers, but at least the machine keeps on
chugging until you can replace the dead controller.

Does Linux have that capability?

> The downside of software RAID is that it is slower when rebuilding.
> However rebuilding is so rare that this is not a significant issue
> for us.
> 
> However if you're doing RAID-5 you're seriously exposed to data loss
> from double drive failures, and a faster rebuild can help to reduce
> that window of vulnerability.  We've stopped using RAID-5.  We use
> RAID-1 (3-way in some applications) to make LVM physical volumes.

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Re: RAID suggestions?

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On 03/18/08 16:03, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 03/18/08 15:41, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>> [snip]
>>  
>>> changes in HD tech).  6.  I have seen dozens of catastrophic  hardware
>>> controller failures with complete data lost and not one mdadm failure.
>>> 
>>
>> That just means you're using sucky hardware.  We've been using h/w
>> controllers for 15 years, and never had a problem.
>>
>> Of course, they are proprietary, and from a Tier 1 vendor, cost a
>> lot of money, and maintenance fees are high.
>>
>> But we've never lost data from a controller failure.  (And damned
>> little loss from any other reason, either, since there's a 24x7
>> admin staff that pays attention to drive failure lights, and
>> replaces them immediately.)
>>
> And that detailed care makes all the difference in the world!  Now limp
> along with a drive failure, add a controller that needs updating and
> perform the update.  Suddenly you find the meta data is "unstable" and
> you can not recover from it.  I have NOT seen data loss from a
> professional, on the ball data center.

Well heck, no one who cares about his data would do that...  You
replace the drive, let it rebuild, and *then* do the update.

Or... don't buy sucky h/w in the first place.  If you *really* care
about your data, you spend the extra bucks for quality h/w that has
a competent support staff behind it.  And you pay for an adequate
backup solution!

Otherwise, "you" are blaming on the h/w the sins of the humans who
bought the crummy h/w.

- --
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Jefferson LA  USA

"Working with women is a pain in the a**."
My wife
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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2008-03-18, Ron Johnson penned:
> On 03/18/08 15:05, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> What outcry?  Ron's got a point.  Seems like all the ladies went to
>> debian-women or something.
>
> Serena Cantor & Michelle Konzack are the only two that I can think
> of on this list.  And debian-women doesn't seem very busy.
>
> If women are so weak that they can't stand up for themselves when
> guys start to get rude and obnoxious, there are bigger problems
> afoot.

Perhaps that should be

s/If women are so weak they can't/If women have better things to do
than/

But I don't really know, just having noticed this subthread right
abotu now, and not sufficiently motivated to go back and find the
origin.  Did a lot of women who used to post here recently stop doing
so?

I really have no business in this discussion, since I just a couple of
days ago thought, "Hrm, I should resubscribe to debian-user and see
what's up."  Back in the day, I can't remember anyone doing anything
particularly offensive to women on this list.  Certainly nothing on
par with the slashdot and thedailywtf noise.

> - -- Ron Johnson, Jr.  Jefferson LA  USA
>
> "Working with women is a pain in the a**." My wife

I read the quote, got moderately offended, read the attribution,
considered, decided she may have a point.

For values of "women" not including myself, of course.

I do wonder what the intent of including that in your sig is, especially
in a primarily-male environment.  The "feel" would be different in a
more evenly distributed crowd.

-- 
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Re: TrueCrypt install on Debian v4.3 or v5?

[Brian McKee]

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On 18-Mar-08, at 12:52 PM, Russell Gadd wrote:

Alternatively is anyone using version 5 happily without suffering  
negative experience as mentioned in some places, e.g. Truecrypt 5.1  
- How I loathe thee 
One user suggests he will return in a year's time. I don't want to  
wait that long for a usable version.



I tried to follow that link
From their website
Please note that as you are not logged in, you can search only  
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Problems forum). To search all available forums, you need to log in.



No thanks,   I'll try something else !

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Re: Using linux as an audio gateway for bluetooth phone

[e s]

Micha wrote:

Is it possible to stream music from my bluetooth phone (ericson) to my linux
box as an audio gateway (have the music sound from my pc speakers)?

thanks




I'm just looking for the same thing. Here's a good explanation
http://www.think-future.de/wiki/index.php?title=Bluetooth#Build_btsco


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Damon L. Chesser]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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[snip]
  

changes in HD tech).  6.  I have seen dozens of catastrophic  hardware
controller failures with complete data lost and not one mdadm failure.



That just means you're using sucky hardware.  We've been using h/w
controllers for 15 years, and never had a problem.

Of course, they are proprietary, and from a Tier 1 vendor, cost a
lot of money, and maintenance fees are high.

But we've never lost data from a controller failure.  (And damned
little loss from any other reason, either, since there's a 24x7
admin staff that pays attention to drive failure lights, and
replaces them immediately.)

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And that detailed care makes all the difference in the world!  Now limp 
along with a drive failure, add a controller that needs updating and 
perform the update.  Suddenly you find the meta data is "unstable" and 
you can not recover from it.  I have NOT seen data loss from a 
professional, on the ball data center.


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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Mike Bird]

On Tue March 18 2008 12:56:00 Michael S. Peek wrote:
> But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
> ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?

We use "nothing" for hardware RAID.  Software RAID is much more
flexible.  With hardware RAID you always need to have a spare
controller on hand, because without a matching replacement
controller you can't retrieve your data after a controller failure.

The downside of software RAID is that it is slower when rebuilding.
However rebuilding is so rare that this is not a significant issue
for us.

However if you're doing RAID-5 you're seriously exposed to data loss
from double drive failures, and a faster rebuild can help to reduce
that window of vulnerability.  We've stopped using RAID-5.  We use
RAID-1 (3-way in some applications) to make LVM physical volumes.

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Re: RAID suggestions?

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[snip]
> changes in HD tech).  6.  I have seen dozens of catastrophic  hardware
> controller failures with complete data lost and not one mdadm failure.

That just means you're using sucky hardware.  We've been using h/w
controllers for 15 years, and never had a problem.

Of course, they are proprietary, and from a Tier 1 vendor, cost a
lot of money, and maintenance fees are high.

But we've never lost data from a controller failure.  (And damned
little loss from any other reason, either, since there's a 24x7
admin staff that pays attention to drive failure lights, and
replaces them immediately.)

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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mar 18, 4:00 pm, Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There are numerous threads on how to fix the problem. Google should be your
friend on that one


I've searched a lot.  All the matches I'm getting are about tying
device names to specific *drives* or about solving boot-time issues.
We have a different problem.

We don't want to attach device names to drive IDs because,
periodically, we replace the disks, and we don't want to have to
change configuration every time we swap a drive.  And we don't have
any boot issues, because our system drive is on "parallel" ATA.

So, as before, any recipes would be appreciated.




I don't understand why using labels or ids wouldn't work.  This probably 
means I don't get what it is that you're doing.


You say you don't want to tie "device names to drive IDs because" you 
sometimes "replace" the disks and you don't want to change the 
configuration.


Perhaps the problem is with the 'replace'?  Just what does this mean, in 
your context?


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Re: RAID suggestions?

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On 03/18/08 14:56, Michael S. Peek wrote:
> Hello gurus,
> 
> I have built a couple of large storage servers using 16-24 HDDs
> connected to 3ware controllers, and so far it's worked pretty well.  I
> chose 3ware because it was supported by the linux kernel out of the box.
>  Although I'm not terribly satisfied with the managing software, the

Because it's a buggy CLI app, or because it's not GUI?

> RAIDs themselves have ticked over without a hitch for years.

Isn't that the most important factor?

> But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
> ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?

Writing only a someone who has been reading this list for many
years, 3ware seems to be the most common h/w RAID vendor, just as
NVIDIA is the video card vendor of choice for fast 3D & OpenGL.

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Re: RAID suggestions?

[Damon L. Chesser]

Michael S. Peek wrote:

Hello gurus,

I have built a couple of large storage servers using 16-24 HDDs 
connected to 3ware controllers, and so far it's worked pretty well.  I 
chose 3ware because it was supported by the linux kernel out of the 
box.  Although I'm not terribly satisfied with the managing software, 
the RAIDs themselves have ticked over without a hitch for years.


But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would 
ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?


Michael Peek



Michael,

Sorry I sent this to you instead of the list.  Re-sending to the list:

Deps on what server you use.  If you go with a tier1 supplier, their
server comes with hwraid.  Having done support for a tier1 OEM, I found
many of our customers (running Linux) ignored the raid controllers and
used them as disk controllers and then used software raid.  Mdadm will
not be obsoleted anytime soon, but your hardware controller might well
be gone in two years.  I think that if I were to build a server, I would
not use hardware raid if I had a choice.

The reasons being are:  1.  Portability, just take your HDs with you and
plug them in and it will not matter who makes the rest of the server.
2.  no bios bugs or hardware updates to do  3.  it is easy to follow, no
interface to learn and re-learn or new terms you have to learn.  4.  no
clear cut benefits from hardware raid in MOST situations.  5.  In three
years when the hardware is old and buggy, your mdadm will still be
working and you can just plug them in to the new server (assuming no
changes in HD tech).  6.  I have seen dozens of catastrophic  hardware
controller failures with complete data lost and not one mdadm failure.

I will be thrilled to listen to other viewpoints on the matter!

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Re: Spamassassin and SpamCop

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* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 13:04:14 -0700]:

 
> It can and has in the past.  SpamCop's terms of service expressly forbid you 
> from reporting mailing list traffic, spam or not.

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* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 13:05:00 -0700]:

> What outcry?  Ron's got a point.  Seems like all the ladies went to 
> debian-women or something.

Hmm.  Maybe so.
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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

On Mar 18, 4:00 pm, Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are numerous threads on how to fix the problem. Google should be your
> friend on that one

I've searched a lot.  All the matches I'm getting are about tying
device names to specific *drives* or about solving boot-time issues.
We have a different problem.

We don't want to attach device names to drive IDs because,
periodically, we replace the disks, and we don't want to have to
change configuration every time we swap a drive.  And we don't have
any boot issues, because our system drive is on "parallel" ATA.

So, as before, any recipes would be appreciated.


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Re: cron and command quote

[Bob McGowan]

Jeff D wrote:

Bob McGowan wrote:

Jeff D wrote:


|| will not return true for you here, ever.  you need to use && or 
use an if statement. Also, if you are going to be using a shell 
script you have to make sure that it exits properly. I would 
recommend putting the whole thing into a shell script:


if ps -eaf | grep -v grep | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao \ 
*write|growisofs.*speed=' >> /dev/null 2>&1 ; then

logger get executed
fi




Jeff,

I'm confused, here.  You say that using '||' will never work because 
it will not return true.  I presume you mean the '||' used in the cron 
file?  But, according to the the crontab man page, anything after the 
fifth time column, up to the end of the line, is run by a shell, 
either /bin/sh or whatever is in the SHELL variable of the crontab file.


So, '||' is just as legal as '&&' and would do just as it does on the 
command line, assuming of course there is nothing found by the grep.


I don't think the problem is the use of the OR or AND operators.  
Rather it's the presences or absence of the line for the grep itself 
being found in the ps output.


But I may be missing something obvious?



Both are legal, but && is really what he is looking for:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ nocommand || echo "ok"
bash: nocommand: command not found
ok
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ date|| echo "ok"
Tue Mar 18 11:35:54 PDT 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ date && echo "ok"
Tue Mar 18 11:35:59 PDT 2008
ok
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ nocommand && echo "ok"
bash: nocommand: command not found

so with || we get execute command1 OR  command2, whic ever one executes 
first. I don't believe that this would be the desired result in this 
situation.


with && we have execute command1 if it returns true execute command2






Ahh!  I wasn't paying enough attention to the overall design, I guess. 
It is obvious now that you would probably want to log only those cases 
where the commands were found (success, or true, for command 1, as you 
say).  Otherwise you'd have many thousands of "nothin's happenin here" 
messages.


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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

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On 03/18/08 15:05, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 March 2008 10:02:48 am Klein Moebius wrote:
>> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 11:56:47 -0500]:
>>> Don't worry.  You can count on one hand the number of women on this
>>> list, and still have 3 left over.
>> Uh,oh - Let the outcry begin!
> 
> What outcry?  Ron's got a point.  Seems like all the ladies went to 
> debian-women or something.

Serena Cantor & Michelle Konzack are the only two that I can think
of on this list.  And debian-women doesn't seem very busy.

If women are so weak that they can't stand up for themselves when
guys start to get rude and obnoxious, there are bigger problems afoot.

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RAID suggestions?

[Michael S. Peek]

Hello gurus,

I have built a couple of large storage servers using 16-24 HDDs 
connected to 3ware controllers, and so far it's worked pretty well.  I 
chose 3ware because it was supported by the linux kernel out of the box. 
 Although I'm not terribly satisfied with the managing software, the 
RAIDs themselves have ticked over without a hitch for years.


But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would 
ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?


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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Paul Johnson]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 10:02:48 am Klein Moebius wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 11:56:47 -0500]:
> > Don't worry.  You can count on one hand the number of women on this
> > list, and still have 3 left over.
>
> Uh,oh - Let the outcry begin!

What outcry?  Ron's got a point.  Seems like all the ladies went to 
debian-women or something.

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On Tuesday 18 March 2008 11:59:30 am Klein Moebius wrote:
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> will the mailing list then get a block from SpamCop?

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Re: Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 20:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We have a backup box (running Debian/Etch) with thirteen SATA disks
> connected to it:


There are numerous threads on how to fix the problem. Google should be your 
friend on that one
Thierry


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Re: Wireless Configuration Problem

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:06:57 +0200
Volkan YAZICI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,

[snipped thorough details of wireless configuration - my questions are
generic.]

a)  Have you tried connecting without WPA?
b)  What doesn't work in your setup?  Can you ping the AP?  Please
describe in detail what works, if anything, and what doesn't.

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Re: Errors installing dansguardian

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 18:40:58 -0500, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Greetings;
>
> I am trying to install dansguardian and it won't go. I have tried 
> renaming and removing file & directories to no avail.

What exactly did you do?

>   I always get these 
> errors from aptitude install.
>
>> Setting up dansguardian (2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2) ...
>> grep: /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf: No such file or directory
>> Starting DansGuardian: dansguardianError opening 
>> /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf
>>  failed!
>> invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.
>> dpkg: error processing dansguardian (--configure):
>>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>  dansguardian
>> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
>> Setting up dansguardian (2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2) ...
>> grep: /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf: No such file or directory
>> Starting DansGuardian: dansguardianError opening 
>> /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf
>>  failed!
>> invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.
>> dpkg: error processing dansguardian (--configure):
>>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>  dansguardian
>
> Any body have a workaround or alternate install procedure?

What did you do to the configuration file?
(/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf)

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Unpredictable drive naming with multiple SATA controllers

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

We have a backup box (running Debian/Etch) with thirteen SATA disks
connected to it:
- four to the on-board controller
- seven to an 8-port add-on controller
- two to a 2-port add-on controller
At reboot the Linux kernel inconsistently numbers "sda,b,c,...": it
can start with either of these three.  This is a major problem for us,
which we are trying to fix.  Besides, if we pull, say, the second
drive from the 8-port card, then the drives 3-8 get renamed.

Is there a way to tie drive names to specific ports on specific
controllers?  Ideally, we want a system on which pulling one drive
will not cause re-naming of all subsequent drives.

I know that udev can match drive names to specific *drives*, but this
will not work for us - we need to tie to ports on controllers, not
serial numbers of drives.

We tried making use of the /dev/disk/by-path/* symlinks, but those,
too, seem to change from reboot to reboot.

Here's the lspci output for our controllers:
# lspci |grep -i ata
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family)
Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01)
02:01.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. Adaptec AAR-1210SA
SATA HostRAID Controller (rev 02)
03:03.0 SCSI storage controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
MV88SX6081 8-port SATA II PCI-X Controller (rev 09)

This is what we have in /dev/disk/by-path/
ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ |grep scsi|grep part1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:1:0-
part1 -> ../../sdb1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdc1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:1:0-
part1 -> ../../sdd1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:02:01.0-scsi-0:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdl1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:02:01.0-scsi-1:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdm1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-0:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sde1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-3:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdf1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-4:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdg1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-5:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdh1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-6:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdi1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-8:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdj1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 18 13:54 pci-:03:03.0-scsi-9:0:0:0-
part1 -> ../../sdk1

Thanks in advance for any ideas!


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Steve Lamb]

On Mon, March 17, 2008 10:10 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/08 20:43, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to understanding
>> Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in the article.  As
>> mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal mentioned only
>> guaranteed more people would read the article.

>> H, kind of proves the point!

Not really, Nate, look how many people didn't read the article because
of the sex scandal lead.  :P

> Back to computers:
>We're such a successful company, we can afford to buy Tier 1 kit,
>and send all that money to MSFT.  And because we do, we *must*
>be getting good stuff.

> (If that is, actually, an actual upper-management though process.)

Ron...  You know that's exactly actual upper-management thought process.
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Debian on Thinkpad R61i [Volume buttons]

[Dal]

Hello everybody,

I bought Lenovo ThinkPad R61i just week ago and I have some troubles
with volume buttons. I've been searching a lot already but I haven't
found useful solution yet. I've already tried use tpb, kmilo (there is some
progress, when I press up button, it displays 11%, but nothing else
happnes, when down button is pressed, it displays 0% and mute button
desn't react). Also I tried hotkey-setup, nothing ... It also doesn't
generate keycodes and acpi events.

Only showkey reacts.
There are some events like
0x71
0xF1
0x72
0xF2
0x73
0xF3

But I really don't know how to take advantage of this to use it globally 
or just in X.


I have been searching on thinkwiki.org and I
tried some howtos, but still nothing (except showkey in console).
Maybe I missed something. If anyone knows what to do or how to find a 
solution, please let me know.

Thank you very much.


Computer related information:
BIOS version: 7QET28WW (1.10)
Product name: 8943DRG
Kernel version: 2.6.24.3
Distribution: Debian Etch and Lenny mix :)


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Spamassassin and SpamCop

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If I enable SpamCop reporting in Spamassassin and subsequently
report a spam message on a mailing list to SpamCop via Spamassasin,
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Re: cron and command quote

[Jeff D]

Bob McGowan wrote:

Jeff D wrote:


|| will not return true for you here, ever.  you need to use && or use 
an if statement. Also, if you are going to be using a shell script you 
have to make sure that it exits properly. I would recommend putting 
the whole thing into a shell script:


if ps -eaf | grep -v grep | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao \ 
*write|growisofs.*speed=' >> /dev/null 2>&1 ; then

logger get executed
fi




Jeff,

I'm confused, here.  You say that using '||' will never work because it 
will not return true.  I presume you mean the '||' used in the cron 
file?  But, according to the the crontab man page, anything after the 
fifth time column, up to the end of the line, is run by a shell, either 
/bin/sh or whatever is in the SHELL variable of the crontab file.


So, '||' is just as legal as '&&' and would do just as it does on the 
command line, assuming of course there is nothing found by the grep.


I don't think the problem is the use of the OR or AND operators.  Rather 
it's the presences or absence of the line for the grep itself being 
found in the ps output.


But I may be missing something obvious?



Both are legal, but && is really what he is looking for:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ nocommand || echo "ok"
bash: nocommand: command not found
ok
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ date|| echo "ok"
Tue Mar 18 11:35:54 PDT 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ date && echo "ok"
Tue Mar 18 11:35:59 PDT 2008
ok
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ nocommand && echo "ok"
bash: nocommand: command not found

so with || we get execute command1 OR  command2, whic ever one executes 
first. I don't believe that this would be the desired result in this 
situation.


with && we have execute command1 if it returns true execute command2




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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

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* Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 10:36:19 -0700]:

> /me ducks

You may have to move to another planet, not just duck!

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Re: Detached device and boot auto mount

[Bob McGowan]

Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:

Hi

I have added a IDE/PATA swap rack mount into /etc/fstab. Every time I 
boot and there is no device in the rack, boot stops (asks to press 
Ctrl+D or something) after automount detects that there is no hd in 
rack. Is there a way to prevent this stop?.



Tero Mäntyvaara




Change the fourth column to include 'noauto'.  For example:

  /dev/md1/dataext3  defaults 02

to:

  /dev/md1/dataext3  defaults,noauto 02

This will at least stop the automatic mounting of the device.  But, to 
be able to use it when you do have it, you may need more:


  /dev/md1/dataext3  defaults,noauto,user 02

You might want to look into using automounting features of autofs.  This 
allows the system to deal with the device when someone or something 
tries to use it and leaves it alone otherwise.  This would mean removing 
the line from fstab and setting up the automounter daemon.


A good tutorial can be found at http://www.debian-administration.org, 
from the main page just search for 'automounter' (I think; the system is 
currently not available to verify.  If it doesn't work, autofs.)


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Re: cron and command quote

[Bob McGowan]

Jeff D wrote:

T o n g wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:40:35 +0100, s. keeling wrote:

 I.e., somehow, the 'ps | grep' was able to find something in cron, 
whereas

 when executed directly under shell:

  $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed='


  $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed='"


 I.e., if the same command are executed directly under shell the 
 'ps | grep' finds nothing.

 Anyone can give some explanation?

Yes.  you're stressing either the tool, or your knowledge of it.  Put
the relevant bits in a shell script and tell cron to execute that.
Then you'll have full control.  It won't be hampered by cron's (by
design) limitations.


Nope, that didn't work. Thanks for the suggestion though s. keeling.
Here is what happened after I followed the above advice.

Now the crontab reads:

 * * * * *rootis_burning || logger get executed.

+ set -x
+ ps -eaf
+ grep -E  -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
root 15306 15295  0 09:29 ?00:00:00 grep -E cdrecord.* 
-[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=

+ exit 0

$ is_burning || echo not burning CD/DVD
not burning CD/DVD

I.e., having put the 'ps | grep' part into a shell script, the 
behavior is

still the same.
Does it has anything to do with busybox?

Thanks



|| will not return true for you here, ever.  you need to use && or use 
an if statement. Also, if you are going to be using a shell script you 
have to make sure that it exits properly. I would recommend putting the 
whole thing into a shell script:


if ps -eaf | grep -v grep | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao \ 
*write|growisofs.*speed=' >> /dev/null 2>&1 ; then

logger get executed
fi




Jeff,

I'm confused, here.  You say that using '||' will never work because it 
will not return true.  I presume you mean the '||' used in the cron 
file?  But, according to the the crontab man page, anything after the 
fifth time column, up to the end of the line, is run by a shell, either 
/bin/sh or whatever is in the SHELL variable of the crontab file.


So, '||' is just as legal as '&&' and would do just as it does on the 
command line, assuming of course there is nothing found by the grep.


I don't think the problem is the use of the OR or AND operators.  Rather 
it's the presences or absence of the line for the grep itself being 
found in the ps output.


But I may be missing something obvious?

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Re: cron and command quote

[Bob McGowan]

Jeff D wrote:

T o n g wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:40:35 +0100, s. keeling wrote:

 I.e., somehow, the 'ps | grep' was able to find something in cron, 
whereas

 when executed directly under shell:

  $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed='


  $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed='"


 I.e., if the same command are executed directly under shell the 
 'ps | grep' finds nothing.

 Anyone can give some explanation?

Yes.  you're stressing either the tool, or your knowledge of it.  Put
the relevant bits in a shell script and tell cron to execute that.
Then you'll have full control.  It won't be hampered by cron's (by
design) limitations.


Nope, that didn't work. Thanks for the suggestion though s. keeling.
Here is what happened after I followed the above advice.

Now the crontab reads:

 * * * * *rootis_burning || logger get executed.

+ set -x
+ ps -eaf
+ grep -E  -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
root 15306 15295  0 09:29 ?00:00:00 grep -E cdrecord.* 
-[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=

+ exit 0

$ is_burning || echo not burning CD/DVD
not burning CD/DVD

I.e., having put the 'ps | grep' part into a shell script, the 
behavior is

still the same.
Does it has anything to do with busybox?

Thanks



|| will not return true for you here, ever.  you need to use && or use 
an if statement. Also, if you are going to be using a shell script you 
have to make sure that it exits properly. I would recommend putting the 
whole thing into a shell script:


if ps -eaf | grep -v grep | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao \ 
*write|growisofs.*speed=' >> /dev/null 2>&1 ; then

logger get executed
fi




If I followed the above discussion correctly, the OP's concern is that 
sometimes the grep will return a result, even when the specified cd 
related programs are not running, and that this happens when the grep is 
run from cron but not from the command line.


If this is correct, the results you're seeing can in fact happen in 
either case.  Whether you see a result or not is totally dependent on 
the process scheduler, timing of execution slices and perhaps your 
processor speed and/or if it's an SMP environment.


What's happening is the grep you're running is sometimes finding itself. 
 For example:


  ps -ef|grep firefox|cut -c1-60
  rmcgowan 17073 16974  0 08:13 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr
  rmcgowan 17080 17073  0 08:13 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr
  rmcgowan 17106 17080  0 08:13 ?00:00:59 /usr/local/f
  rmcgowan 30742 17130  0 10:49 pts/100:00:00 grep firefox

The last line is the grep that ran.  So, one line is sometimes returned, 
even when firefox is not running.


There are a number of ways to get around the problem.  My favorite is to 
use something that will show up in the ps output for the grep itself but 
which will not be part of what you're looking for.  But this does 
require using either the -l or -f options (which it looks like you are).


  ps -ef | grep '[f]irefox'

will eliminate the grep command itself because the pattern can never 
match itself.


If you don't want to use the options, you could use this instead:

  ps -e | grep firefox | grep -v grep

Which will first filter for all lines with firefox, then for all lines 
without grep.


I hope this helps solve your problem.

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:56:47AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/18/08 11:27, Klein Moebius wrote:
> > * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >   
> >>> Touche.  But if I told my wife I married her for her cookies...
> >>>
> >> Of course.  Only at his peril does a man tells his wife the real
> >> reason he married her.
> > 
> > Shhh!
> 
> Don't worry.  You can count on one hand the number of women on this
> list, and still have 3 left over.

That means we have 100% more than the minimum required to ensure that
they all know... /me ducks

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Re: He's probably referring to... (was Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro)

[Steve Lamb]

On Mon, March 17, 2008 7:18 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/08 21:10, steve wrote:
>> Jeff D wrote:
>> .com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html

>> |>> Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.

>> |> Same here. I do not know how it is related to Red Hat.

>> | um, look at the graph at top ;)

>> eh?

> ... this:

> http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/03/17/GR2008031700229.gif

I think the problem that I, and others made, was that we read the
portion above the break, which is nothing but about Spitzer, and did not
continue down below the break, which gets into the actual article.  The
actual article and not the insipid teaser is what Ron's referring to.

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Re: Having problem with recording voice

[Bob McGowan]

Pete Kay wrote:

Hi

I am able to get my debian running, but not to record audio.  I have 
tried many different solutions without success.


The error I am getting is :

debian:/tmp# rec hello.wav
Send break (control-c) to end recording
sox: Can't open input file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy
debian:/tmp#

My amixer out is like this:

debian:/tmp# amixer
Simple mixer control 'Master',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 64
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 58 [91%]
  Front Right: Playback 58 [91%]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 31
  Front Left: Capture 31 [100%] [on]
  Front Right: Capture 31 [100%] [on]


Can anyone share with me how this problem can be resolved?

Thanks,
Pete



Are you running KDE as your desktop?  If so, it takes control of the 
/dev/dsp device and handles all sound I/O through a daemon.


If this is the case, you need to start the KDE control center app 
(usually in the Kmenu, simply named 'Control Center'), the second to 
last item in the left pane is 'Sound and Multimedia', open this and 
select the item 'Sound System'.


You may choose to turn it off completely (no KDE sound works) but all 
non-KDE apps will now run without issues), or to auto-suspend if idle 
for some time period.


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Re: cron and command quote

[Jeff D]

T o n g wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:40:35 +0100, s. keeling wrote:


 I.e., somehow, the 'ps | grep' was able to find something in cron, whereas
 when executed directly under shell:

  $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='

  $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed='"

 I.e., if the same command are executed directly under shell the 
 'ps | grep' finds nothing. 


 Anyone can give some explanation?

Yes.  you're stressing either the tool, or your knowledge of it.  Put
the relevant bits in a shell script and tell cron to execute that.
Then you'll have full control.  It won't be hampered by cron's (by
design) limitations.


Nope, that didn't work. Thanks for the suggestion though s. keeling. 


Here is what happened after I followed the above advice.

Now the crontab reads:

 * * * * *  rootis_burning || logger get executed.

+ set -x
+ ps -eaf
+ grep -E  -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
root 15306 15295  0 09:29 ?00:00:00 grep -E cdrecord.* -[dts]ao 
|cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=
+ exit 0

$ is_burning || echo not burning CD/DVD
not burning CD/DVD

I.e., having put the 'ps | grep' part into a shell script, the behavior is
still the same. 


Does it has anything to do with busybox?

Thanks



|| will not return true for you here, ever.  you need to use && or use 
an if statement. Also, if you are going to be using a shell script you 
have to make sure that it exits properly. I would recommend putting the 
whole thing into a shell script:


if ps -eaf | grep -v grep | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao \ 
*write|growisofs.*speed=' >> /dev/null 2>&1 ; then

logger get executed
fi


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Re: Apt Database Recovery

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 17:22:52 +0200, David Baron wrote:
> I have been getting this when upgrading:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 227, in ?
> main()
>   File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 148, in main
> seen.close()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/bsddb/__init__.py", line 237, in close
> v = self.db.close()
> bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run 
> database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery')
> 
> There is a db_recover utility around. When I run it I get "no checkpoints 
> specified" and nothing seems to change.
> 
> How do I do this correctly?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469221#99

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Klein Moebius]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 11:56:47 -0500]:

 
> Don't worry.  You can count on one hand the number of women on this
> list, and still have 3 left over.
 
Uh,oh - Let the outcry begin!

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Re: libgconf2 dependencies..

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:32:00AM +1100, Rich Healey wrote:
> I can't upgrade a lot of packages (perl for one) because apt says that:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   libgconf2-4: Depends: gconf2-common (>= 2.22) but it is not going to
> be installed
>Depends: gconf2-common (< 2.23) but it is not going to be
> installed
> E: Broken packages
> [xenia:/home/richo]#
> 
> BUT
> 
> [xenia:/home/richo]# dpkg -l *gconf*
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
> uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name   VersionDescription
> +++-==-==-
> ii  gconf2 2.22.0-1   GNOME configuration database system
> (support
> ii  gconf2-common  2.22.0-1   GNOME configuration database system
> (common
> ii  libgconf2-42.22.0-1   GNOME configuration database system
> (shared
> [xenia:/home/richo]#
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> so you know,
> [xenia:/home/richo]# apt-cache policy libgconf2-4
> libgconf2-4:
>   Installed: 2.22.0-1
>   Candidate: 2.22.0-1
>   Version table:
>  *** 2.22.0-1 0
> 499 http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>  2.20.1-3 0
> 500 http://ftp.iinet.net.au lenny/main Packages
> [xenia:/home/richo]#

that looks like it might be corruption in your apt database. Try
moving aside /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and updating. 

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

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On 03/18/08 11:27, Klein Moebius wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>>> Touche.  But if I told my wife I married her for her cookies...
>>>
>> Of course.  Only at his peril does a man tells his wife the real
>> reason he married her.
> 
> Shhh!

Don't worry.  You can count on one hand the number of women on this
list, and still have 3 left over.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Klein Moebius]

* Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 09:43:49 -0700]:

 
> In my experience, it is. Working upper management in a small company
> some years back, we had to constantly watch what we did because it was
> so easy to think just that.

This is true.  I went through the same thing in a partnership years ago.

> My bosses struggled with it constantly,
> especially because they had the money to do it the expensive "best"
> way.

My partner and I lost out to the temptation, and the business failed
as a result. Lesson learned.

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Re: Ssh connection hangs. Ignored ACK packet?

[Bernardo Dal Seno]

I think I've found out why the TCP hangs: someone messes with TCP
sequence numbers and get them wrong.

I studied some advanced features of TCP, and discovered the existence
of "selective acknowledgment" (SACK), which is a very nice feature, by
the way.  By comparing packets at the two ends of the connection, it
is clear that sequence numbers are rewritten in the standard TCP
header, but not in the SACK option.  This should be a good way to
confuse the TCP stack at the sender side and break the connection.

I suspect my ISP (which does NAT), but I have to do some more
experiments to be sure.


Thanks for the suggestions I received.

Bernardo


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Re: Apt Database Recovery

[Jochen Schulz]

David Baron:
> I have been getting this when upgrading:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 227, in ?
> main()
>   File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 148, in main
> seen.close()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/bsddb/__init__.py", line 237, in close
> v = self.db.close()
> bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run 
> database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery')

To be specific, this is apt-listchanges' database, not that of apt.
Anyway, I had the same problem recently because of a "disk full"
situation during an aptitude upgrade.

A work-around (but not a clean solution) is to just (re)move the file
/var/lib/apt/listchanges.db. apt-listchanges will silently recreate it.
But you will probably receive changelogs and news that you have already
seen before.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:50:46PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:

...

>   If you follow the article Ron linked to above, special discounts are
> apparently subject to the same effect.  In a study where people took
> supposedly mind-enhancing placebo drinks, people who drank the more
> expensive version (around $1.80) were twice as effective *even though
> the researchers explicitly told them that the discount version (around
> $0.80) was exactly the same substance*.

What's amazing to me is that even when a product is *glaringly*
inferior, this effect continues. In a discussion with one of my
professors just yesterday, he related a story about a past co-worker
who believed windows NT was the greatest thing since sliced
bread -- reliable, never a problem etc etc... subsequently it was
revealed that this guy was *re-installing* NT *EVERY WEEK* to ensure
that it worked properly. 

My new car is the uber-car. It has flawless performance, it has never
failed to start, idles as smooth as a baby's bottom, and never even
needs an oil change. I just take it in to the mechanic every month to
have the engine rebuilt. 

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TrueCrypt install on Debian v4.3 or v5?

[Russell Gadd]

I would like to install Truecrypt on Debian Etch. According to recent 
posts I have read (see below) there are problems with the new version 5 
which means I would like to install version 4.3a. which I am sure will 
do all I need. However Debian is not one of their supported distros.


First problem is I can't find the source to 4.3 on their website. They 
have a section for downloading previous versions, but the source doesn't 
seem to be there. There is a Ubuntu deb package which appears to be a 
compiled version.


Alternatively is anyone using version 5 happily without suffering 
negative experience as mentioned in some places, e.g. Truecrypt 5.1 - 
How I loathe thee 
One user suggests he will return in a year's time. I don't want to wait 
that long for a usable version.


I found a guide to installing v5 on Etch here
http://forums.truecrypt.org/viewtopic.php?p=40855#40855
but haven't found a guide for v4.3 (probably because my search produced 
too many hits for me to wade through).



Any help  / opinions on how I should proceed would be welcome.


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:10:48AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

...


> Back to computers:
>We're such a successful company, we can afford to buy Tier 1 kit,
>and send all that money to MSFT.  And because we do, we *must*
>be getting good stuff.
> 
> (If that is, actually, an actual upper-management though process.)


In my experience, it is. Working upper management in a small company
some years back, we had to constantly watch what we did because it was
so easy to think just that. Luckily, we had a competent crew of people
around us who could give us the best stuff for cost (cabinetry,
construction, interior design etc) instead of for retail. But it was
always a temptation. My bosses struggled with it constantly,
especially because they had the money to do it the expensive "best"
way. I suspect that they've given up that struggle and jsut spend the
money now withouth thinking. oh well.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[William Pursell]

Ron Johnson wrote:

Back to computers:
   We're such a successful company, we can afford to buy Tier 1 kit,
   and send all that money to MSFT.  And because we do, we *must*
   be getting good stuff.

(If that is, actually, an actual upper-management though process.)


"upper management thought process" -- does such a thing exist?
I thought they just used crazy 8 balls, ouija boards, and tea leaves.


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Apt Database Recovery

[David Baron]

I have been getting this when upgrading:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 227, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 148, in main
seen.close()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/bsddb/__init__.py", line 237, in close
v = self.db.close()
bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run 
database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery')

There is a db_recover utility around. When I run it I get "no checkpoints 
specified" and nothing seems to change.

How do I do this correctly?


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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Klein Moebius]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  
>> Touche.  But if I told my wife I married her for her cookies...
>> 
>Of course.  Only at his peril does a man tells his wife the real
>reason he married her.

Shhh!

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Re: cron and command quote

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:38:11PM +, T o n g wrote:
> >>   $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
> >> *write|growisofs.*speed='
> >> 
> >>   $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
> >> *write|growisofs.*speed='"
>
>  * * * * *rootis_burning || logger get executed.
> 
> I.e., having put the 'ps | grep' part into a shell script, the behavior is
> still the same. 
> 
> Does it has anything to do with busybox?

I do not know about the busybox question but in general to search
whether a process, say cdrdao, is present I would use a regexp that
matches the cdrdao command line but _not_ the grep command line itself:

<$>   ps au|grep cdrdao
myuser   15160  0.0  0.4  1748  520 pts/27   R+   16:56   0:00 grep cdrdao
<$>  ps au|grep [c]drdao

On the contrary, your regexp match itself, like the first of my two
examples above ...

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Using linux as an audio gateway for bluetooth phone

[Micha]

Is it possible to stream music from my bluetooth phone (ericson) to my linux
box as an audio gateway (have the music sound from my pc speakers)?

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Re: apt.conf or preferences can work in that case?

[Daniel Burrows]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 02:49:57PM +0100, Dvorzhetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> 
> I have a question, if I uncomment these lines in my sources.list:
> # shame (Uunstable lenny)
> #deb
> http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
> # avant-window-navigator
> #deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./
> 
> considering my apt.conf:
> APT::Default-Release "testing";
> 
> How will apt react since these packages, even if they are made for
> testing distribution do not seams to be marked as being so? They are
> only in a folder of the repos.
> In addition the same packages might appear in sid or experimental.

  You'll see the packages and package versions, but if there's no
Release information apt won't know what release to associate them with,
so pinning by release, installing by release, and viewing the release
associated with the package won't work with that archive.

  Daniel


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Re: apt.conf or preferences can work in that case?

[Klein Moebius]

* Klein Moebius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 09:55:23 -0500]:

> * Klein Moebius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 09:36:04 -0500]:
> 
> Sorry, I missed a point.  Here's the revision:
>  
> > 
> > I would get rid of that in apt.conf and go with pinning only.
> > Less confusion.
> > 
> 
> that's correect.
> 
>  
> > > Here is my sources.list:
> > > *===*
> > > ## etch
> > > #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
> > > #deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
> > > # debian-marillat
> > > #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> > > #deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> > > # security
> > > #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
> > > #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > ## lenny
> > > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> > > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> > > # debian-marillat
> > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> > > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> > > # security
> > > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
> > > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
> > > non-free
> > > # shame (Uunstable lenny)
> > > #deb
> > > http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
> > > # avant-window-navigator
> > > #deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./
> > > 
> > > ## sid
> > > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> > > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> > > # debian-marillat
> > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> > > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> > > # shame (stable sid)
> > > #deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/stable/
> > > ./
> > > 
> > > ## experimental
> > > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
> > > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib
> > > non-free
> > > # debian-marillat
> > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
> > > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
> > > *===*
> 
> I would get rid of all save one of Marillat's repositories save one,
> in this case keep the testing repo.

And only use one shame repository as well.

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Re: apt.conf or preferences can work in that case?

[Klein Moebius]

* Klein Moebius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 09:36:04 -0500]:

Sorry, I missed a point.  Here's the revision:
 
> 
> I would get rid of that in apt.conf and go with pinning only.
> Less confusion.
> 

that's correect.

 
> > Here is my sources.list:
> > *===*
> > ## etch
> > #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
> > #deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
> > # debian-marillat
> > #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> > #deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> > # security
> > #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
> > #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
> > non-free
> > 
> > ## lenny
> > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> > # debian-marillat
> > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> > # security
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
> > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
> > non-free
> > # shame (Uunstable lenny)
> > #deb
> > http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
> > # avant-window-navigator
> > #deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./
> > 
> > ## sid
> > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> > # debian-marillat
> > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> > # shame (stable sid)
> > #deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/stable/
> > ./
> > 
> > ## experimental
> > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
> > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib
> > non-free
> > # debian-marillat
> > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
> > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
> > *===*

I would get rid of all save one of Marillat's repositories save one,
in this case keep the testing repo.
  
To track testing on such a list, I would do this in /etc/apt/preferences:
 
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing
Pin-Priority: 850
 
Package: *
Pin: origin download.tuxfamily.org
Pin-Priority: 851
 
Package: * 
Pin: origin www.arearelax.org
Pin-Prioriy: 849

Package: *
Pin: origin www.debian-multimedia.org
Pin-Priority: 840

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 800

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debin,a=experimental
Pin-Priority: 80
 
This will get compiz from shame's repo, baseline packages from Testing,
your extra stuff from arearelax and Marillat, then Sid, and lastly,
experimental.

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Re: DCHP

[Kevin Buhr]

Kevin Buhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> and change it to this:
>
> iface eth0 inet manual
>   up dhclient3 -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.$IFACE.leases -pf 
> /var/run/dhclient.$IFACE.pid $IFACE
>   down kill $(< /var/run/dhclient.$IFACE.pid)

Whoops.  One problem with this is that it doesn't actually bring the
interface down.  I hadn't noticed before.  You might want to add one
more line, like so, and I think that will work properly:

 iface eth0 inet manual
   up [same as above]
   down kill $(< /var/run/dhclient.$IFACE.pid)
   down ifconfig $IFACE down

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Re: apt.conf or preferences can work in that case?

[Klein Moebius]

* Dvorzhetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-18 14:49:57 +0100]:

> 
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:52:44 -0700, "Daniel Burrows"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40:14PM +0100, Dvorzhetsky
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> > > #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> > 
> >   Did you mean for that to be commented out?
> > 
> > > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> > 
> >   [snip]
> > > I think I should get the sid and experimental version of the package as
> > > well isn't it?
> > 
> >   I don't see an active sid source line in your sources.list, and amarok
> > isn't in experimental.  It seems to me that, unless you expect a version
> > from debian-multimedia to appear, this is what you should be getting.
> > 
> >   Daniel
> 
> Sorry about that! that was a quite stupid mistake I made.
> 
> I have a question, if I uncomment these lines in my sources.list:
> # shame (Uunstable lenny)
> #deb
> http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
> # avant-window-navigator
> #deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./
> 
> considering my apt.conf:
> APT::Default-Release "testing";
> 

I would get rid of that in apt.conf and go with pinning only.
Less confusion.

> How will apt react since these packages, even if they are made for
> testing distribution do not seams to be marked as being so? They are
> only in a folder of the repos.

Use the origin of the repoin your /etc/apt/preferences file
as a means to pin.

> In addition the same packages might appear in sid or experimental.
> 
> I thought I could do this kind of preferences file:
> *===*
> Explanation: Sid
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=unstable
> Pin-Priority:500
> 
> Explanation: Lenny
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=testing
> Pin-Priority: 501
> 
> Explanation: Experimental
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=experimental
> Pin-Priority:80
> *===*
> 
> But I am not sure it will work either.
> 
> Here is my sources.list:
> *===*
> ## etch
> #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
> #deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
> # debian-marillat
> #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> #deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> # security
> #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
> #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
> non-free
> 
> ## lenny
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> # debian-marillat
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> # security
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
> non-free
> # shame (Uunstable lenny)
> #deb
> http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
> # avant-window-navigator
> #deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./
> 
> ## sid
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> # debian-marillat
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> # shame (stable sid)
> #deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/stable/
> ./
> 
> ## experimental
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib
> non-free
> # debian-marillat
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
> deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
> *===*
 
To track testing on such a list, I would do this in /etc/apt/preferences:

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing
Pin-Priority: 850

Package: *
Pin: origin=download.tuxfamily.org
Pin-Priority: 851

Package: * 
Pin: origin=www.arearelax.org
Pin-Prioriy: 849

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 800

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debin,a=experimental
Pin-Priority: 80

This will get compix from shame's repo, baseline packages from Testing,
your extra stuff from arearelax, then Sid, and lastly, experimental.

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Re: Grub questions

[T o n g]

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:51:03 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

>>  
>> http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/disk/boot/boot06-Grub/ar01s09.html#Do_Really_Need_GRUB_Menu_
>>
> 
> Thank you for the tutorial link. I think that I can take it from
> there. 

Glad that I could help.

> Why didn't google get me there?...

Yeah, that's what this mlist is for. :-) FYI, of 4681 pages on the xpt
site, google only indexes 60 pages. 

Use the xpt specific search will yield much better returns. I.e., at the
bottom of 

http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/

click on Xpt Tech-Note Collection Search, which'll bring you to

http://xpt.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/search?DEFAULTOP=and

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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Damon L. Chesser]

Alex Samad wrote:

SNIP
well for 2.6.22 you couls also just do a m-a a-i vmware-server-kernel 
and a apt-get install vmware-XXX


my problem was with 2.6.24.

I try and do it with apt if possible


If you make a .deb from alien and use dpkg -i, it is as if you are using 
apt.  The packagemanager knows it is installed.  Apt is not magical.  It 
is a front end to dpkg. 

I can't remember how I hit on this method, however I can tell you I 
don't like installing *.tar.gz unless I am making a .deb.  Using Alien 
--with-scripts makes me a .deb.  So far in Debian Sid and in Ubuntu 7.10 
this method has worked for VMworkstation and VMserver and you don't have 
to muck with mod assistant. 



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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Klein Moebius]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-17 20:07:02 -0500]:


> > *MY* mother was ever so glad to see BOTH Wordstar and WordPerfect
> > go.  And she bakes better cookies than yours does.
> 
> But probably not better than my wife.
> 
 
Touche.  But if I told my wife I married her for her cookies...

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apt.conf or preferences can work in that case?

[Dvorzhetsky]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:52:44 -0700, "Daniel Burrows"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40:14PM +0100, Dvorzhetsky
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> > #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> 
>   Did you mean for that to be commented out?
> 
> > deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
> 
>   [snip]
> > I think I should get the sid and experimental version of the package as
> > well isn't it?
> 
>   I don't see an active sid source line in your sources.list, and amarok
> isn't in experimental.  It seems to me that, unless you expect a version
> from debian-multimedia to appear, this is what you should be getting.
> 
>   Daniel

Sorry about that! that was a quite stupid mistake I made.

I have a question, if I uncomment these lines in my sources.list:
# shame (Uunstable lenny)
#deb
http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
# avant-window-navigator
#deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./

considering my apt.conf:
APT::Default-Release "testing";

How will apt react since these packages, even if they are made for
testing distribution do not seams to be marked as being so? They are
only in a folder of the repos.
In addition the same packages might appear in sid or experimental.

I thought I could do this kind of preferences file:
*===*
Explanation: Sid
Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority:500

Explanation: Lenny
Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 501

Explanation: Experimental
Package: *
Pin: release a=experimental
Pin-Priority:80
*===*

But I am not sure it will work either.

Here is my sources.list:
*===*
## etch
#deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
# debian-marillat
#deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
#deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
# security
#deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
non-free

## lenny
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# debian-marillat
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
# security
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
non-free
# shame (Uunstable lenny)
#deb
http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
# avant-window-navigator
#deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./

## sid
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
# debian-marillat
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
# shame (stable sid)
#deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/stable/
./

## experimental
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib
non-free
# debian-marillat
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
*===*

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Re: cron and command quote

[T o n g]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:40:35 +0100, s. keeling wrote:

>>  I.e., somehow, the 'ps | grep' was able to find something in cron, whereas
>>  when executed directly under shell:
>> 
>>   $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
>> 
>>   $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
>> *write|growisofs.*speed='"
>> 
>>  I.e., if the same command are executed directly under shell the 
>>  'ps | grep' finds nothing. 
>> 
>>  Anyone can give some explanation?
> 
> Yes.  you're stressing either the tool, or your knowledge of it.  Put
> the relevant bits in a shell script and tell cron to execute that.
> Then you'll have full control.  It won't be hampered by cron's (by
> design) limitations.

Nope, that didn't work. Thanks for the suggestion though s. keeling. 

Here is what happened after I followed the above advice.

Now the crontab reads:

 * * * * *  rootis_burning || logger get executed.

+ set -x
+ ps -eaf
+ grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
root 15306 15295  0 09:29 ?00:00:00 grep -E cdrecord.* -[dts]ao 
|cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=
+ exit 0

$ is_burning || echo not burning CD/DVD
not burning CD/DVD

I.e., having put the 'ps | grep' part into a shell script, the behavior is
still the same. 

Does it has anything to do with busybox?

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Re: Re: DISPLAY variable not set in ssh session

[tony]

xauth is need on the server

I'm on debian and it's part of the package xbase-clients.

cheers!

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Re: [OT] VT's

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:17:10PM +1100, Rich Healey wrote:
 
> Does anyone know where i can track down a VT in australia?
> 
> Where do you guys find yours?

I got mine for $20 off ebay; shipping 300 Kms was $30.

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Re: configuration of a linux router

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:20:24AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> dt> if you don't own peasthope.yi.org, then I wouldn't use it even locally.
> 
> But I do own the machine and the name.
OK
I, personally, for the 127.0.0.1 would only use localhost and
localhost.localdomain

> yi.org is a dynamic dns service.  Not 
> already being allocated is a precondition 
> to assigning "peasthope.yi.org" to my computer.

If this means that there is some possibility at any given time that you
will not own that domain, then I would not use it locally.  I'd use
something else entirely.  I suppose there would be no problem with using
"peasthope' without the .yi.org as a local domain sice without it, it
will never be routable on the internet.

> dt> It is a valid name.
> 
> So ... I miss your drift here.

I've seen people use a made-up name on their local network then have
trouble, if they don't get their DNS setup just right, with packets
getting routed to the real "example.com" whatever.  I thought that you
had just made up the name.

If you owned the name outright, then there would be no problem using it
locally.  

> dt> e.g.
> dt> 172.23.4.1[thisbox].[yourlocaldoamin] [thisbox]
> 
> Is [yourlocaldoamin] a domain name used 
> only on my private LAN?  

Yes.  One that cannot be routed to the internet, unless you own the
domain.

> I understand why computers have names.
> "ftp curie" is better than "ftp 172.23.4.2".
> But what is the benefit of a domain name 
> for my LAN?

Well, any time you need to lump your network together in, e.g.
hosts.allow or in an MTA setup (e.g. host for which you will relay mail),
its a lot easier to say " *.hooton" than to individually list all the
hosts.  Especially if you later add a host, you don't have to go around
adding its name everywhere.  I also is fundamental if you use anything
other than "files" for resolving.  
> 
> The revised /etc/hosts is appended.  With 
> any luck it is closer to what you suggested.
> 
> ===
> .joule:~# cat /etc/hosts
> # /etc/hosts file
> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
> 
> # Private LANs at home 
> 172.23.4.1joule.shaw.ca joule
> 172.23.4.2curie.shaw.ca curie
> 
> 172.23.5.1joule.shaw.ca joule
> 172.23.5.2heaviside.shaw.ca heaviside

Now you're using shaw.ca for your home domain.  Do you own that?  Would
you like to e.g. relay mail for all of shaw.ca?



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Re: Icedove shuts down after send

[Adam Hardy]

Adam Hardy on 18/03/08 11:19, wrote:

Sven Joachim on 18/03/08 07:51, wrote:

There is a new icedove package for stable that may fix the problem, see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00088.html.


I'm trying out this new build now because I'm also affected by this 
'crash after send' bug.


There is this issue in the bugreports:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466527

However, it doesn't crash every time, just in a particular circumstance.


I did a 'send' with another new email window open and it didn't crash. Hopefully 
it's fixed :)


By the way, this is the test for me:

launch icedove
start writting email A, do not send
write and send email B
finish email A and send.



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Re: Icedove shuts down after send

[Adam Hardy]

Sven Joachim on 18/03/08 07:51, wrote:

There is a new icedove package for stable that may fix the problem, see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00088.html.


I'm trying out this new build now because I'm also affected by this 'crash after 
send' bug.


There is this issue in the bugreports:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466527

However, it doesn't crash every time, just in a particular circumstance.

A question for anyone who knows bugreport: how do I tell what the status of the 
bug is? i.e. resolved or fixed for version x?


Regards
Adam


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Re: Screen resolution amd64 and NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE

[Nuno Magalhães]

>  > I just installed Debian etch 40r3 on an AMD64 PC. However, screen 
> resolution is set to 640x480.

So is mine and i'm using 1024x768, how far does your monitor go? Did
'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' work?

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Re: Install Debian into Fabiatech embedded system

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi and thanks for reply!

On 3/14/08, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:04:23PM +0100, Mirco Piccin wrote:
>  > Hi all.
>  > Does anyone  never install Debian into embedded system like this one?
>  >
>  > 
> http://www.fabiatech.com/fabia/products/index.php?main_sn=3&sub_sn=10&p_sn=59&title=FB2612

> Have you seen http://www.emdebian.org/ ?

The embedded system linked above, has a x86 processor. Emdebian will
work good on it?

I need to install also RTAI ( RealTime Application Interface :
http://www.rtai.org) on it.
Does anyone have some experience on that?
Any suggest?

Regards
M


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Matthew Macdonald-Wallace]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:43:01 -0500
Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to
> understanding Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in
> the article.  As mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal
> mentioned only guaranteed more people would read the article.

I understood it and I'm English.  I resent the assumption that only
Americans can see the point and demand that the colonials surrender to
the Imperial Forces of the British Empire immediately... :oP

On a more serious note, I come up against this all the time, although
the main question I'm asked is "I can see it's really good and that it
works really well, I can see that it will save me a lot of money in the
short and long-term, but where does Linux make it's money?" (queue long
conversation about the fact that "Linux" is not a single company, it
doesn't make money, it has no need to make money, it just exists and is
worked on by many people across the globe who make money on the back of
knowing how it works and supporting it).

When I was selling websites, I would say "all the software it runs on
is free, and the site design is £500".  People didn't buy it.  As soon
as I said, "We can build you a website and host it for £500 with a
monthly fee of £25, we couldn't sell things fast enough.

meh.

Matt.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 00:02:40 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/08 23:12, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> [snip]
> > 
> > Well, I don't about other countries, but in France you can get the new 
> > office 
> > 2007 for free from $M. I guess, people are not going to like it? [smile]
> 
> Does $M stand for $ado-Masochism?  :)

All $M software is written by this one guy named Leopold. I hear he has
a very strict female supervisor who likes to wear fur coats...

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Re: [OT] VT's

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/18/08 00:17, Rich Healey wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 03/17/08 22:24, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Monday 17 March 2008 06:33:37 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/17/08 20:14, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
 [snip]

> My dad would be quite at home in front of my VT520; he hasn't been here
> since I bought it.  I remember going to his work (insurance
> underwriter) when I was a kid; I remember all the green-screens.
 VTs are useful, because they are small.  But I'd *never* voluntarily
 use one, because the scrollback buffer of a VT emulator is just way
 too useful.
>>> I could have sworn I've encountered real VTs with scrollback.
>> Maybe a handful of pages, like the Linux console has, but nothing
>> like the ability to specify 10's of thousands of lines of scrollback
>> buffer.  Which has saved my butt on more than a few occasions...
> 
> 
> Does anyone know where i can track down a VT in australia?
> 
> Where do you guys find yours?

Google...

http://www.dsb.com.au/index.php?browse=33

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