test mutt
Bonjour, Excusez le bruit, je suis en train de configurer mutt et il y a un problème avec les message de duf : dans l'index les messages sont visibles avec le champ To: (ou le nom quand il est présent) plutôt que From: comme ça devrait l'être. Et cela ne le fait que pour duf... d'où mon message. Bon wiknd ! -- Steve -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: test mutt
Le Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 09:14:34AM +0200, Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) a écrit : Lignes : 20 Bonjour, Excusez le bruit, je suis en train de configurer mutt et il y a un problème avec les message de duf : dans l'index les messages sont visibles avec le champ To: (ou le nom quand il est présent) plutôt que From: comme ça devrait l'être. Et cela ne le fait que pour duf... d'où mon message. C'est bien le $realname qui est utilisé.. Bon wiknd ! -- Steve -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unitech lecteur de code barres
Le 14043ième jour après Epoch, Guy Deleeuw écrivait: Bonsoir François va falloir m'expliquer epoch :-) Un petit lien vaut mieux qu'un long discours: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch J'ai téléphoné à l'importateur en Belgique du matos. Tu n'était pas loin de la soluce. C'est tout bête (comme dab quand on le sait), il m'a fourni un fichier contenant des codes barres permettant de configurer le lecteur avec un clavier belge c'est tout cela fonctionne maintenant :-) Comment ça pas loin? En plein dedans tu veux dire :) Tu peux vérifier si il ne nécessite pas une config pour être sur un clavier azerty ? Si ça c'est pas la soluce ... :p T'avais qu'à préciser que tu avais un clavier belge, j'aurais pas dit AZERTY comme ça ;) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: driver son asus p5kc
Le Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:33:41 +0200, Philippe MONROUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De (from) (von) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : C'est quoi le message d'échec ?? Que disent les logs au démarrage ? Tu dois pouvoir voir comment la carte son est reconnue . FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) FATAL: Error running install command for snd_hda_intel en fait je crois que je devrais passer sous lenny pour avoir un alsa + récent cordialement Oui mais justement que dit dmesg ? Chez moi sur le portable le son avec snd-hda-intel , noyau 2.6.25 fonctionne bien. mahashakti89 -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: driver son asus p5kc
De (from) (von) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : De (from) (von) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : C'est quoi le message d'échec ?? Que disent les logs au démarrage ? Tu dois pouvoir voir comment la carte son est reconnue . FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) FATAL: Error running install command for snd_hda_intel en fait je crois que je devrais passer sous lenny pour avoir un alsa + récent Oui mais justement que dit dmesg ? Bon voilà je suis maintenant sous lenny. /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.24/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz a évolué : ALC883/888 3stack-dig3-jack with SPDIF I/O 6stack-dig6-jack digital with SPDIF I/O 3stack-6ch3-jack 6-channel 3stack-6ch-dig 3-jack 6-channel with SPDIF I/O 6stack-dig-demo 6-jack digital for Intel demo board acer Acer laptops (Travelmate 3012WTMi, Aspire 5600, etc) acer-aspire Acer Aspire 9810 medionMedion Laptops medion-md2Medion MD2 targa-dig Targa/MSI targa-2ch-dig Targs/MSI with 2-channel laptop-eapd 3-jack with SPDIF I/O and EAPD (Clevo M540JE, M550JE) lenovo-101e Lenovo 101E lenovo-nb0763 Lenovo NB0763 lenovo-ms7195-dig Lenovo MS7195 haier-w66 Haier W66 6stack-hp HP machines with 6stack (Nettle boards) 3stack-hp HP machines with 3stack (Lucknow, Samba boards) auto auto-config reading BIOS (default) Mais quand j'essaie les paramètres (je me sers de modconf pour insérer les paramètres) dmesg donne : snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `6stack-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `auto' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-6c' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-6ch-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `6stack-dig-demo' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `acer' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `acer-aspire' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `medion' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `medion-md2' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `targa-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `targa-2ch-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `laptop-eapd' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `lenovo-101e' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `lenovo-nb0763' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `lenovo-ms7195' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `haier-w66' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `6stack-hp' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-hp' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `auto' désespérant... Chez moi sur le portable le son avec snd-hda-intel , noyau 2.6.25 fonctionne bien. et que donne la commande lspci -vvv (pour voir si la carte son est repérée au départ). Moi j'ai toujours 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 829f Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort- TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR- Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 15 Region 0: Memory at f9ff8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: access denied -- philippe -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: driver son asus p5kc
De (from) (von) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : De (from) (von) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : C'est quoi le message d'échec ?? Que disent les logs au démarrage ? Tu dois pouvoir voir comment la carte son est reconnue . FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) FATAL: Error running install command for snd_hda_intel en fait je crois que je devrais passer sous lenny pour avoir un alsa + récent Oui mais justement que dit dmesg ? Bon voilà je suis maintenant sous lenny. /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.24/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz a évolué : ALC883/888 3stack-dig3-jack with SPDIF I/O 6stack-dig6-jack digital with SPDIF I/O 3stack-6ch3-jack 6-channel 3stack-6ch-dig 3-jack 6-channel with SPDIF I/O 6stack-dig-demo 6-jack digital for Intel demo board acer Acer laptops (Travelmate 3012WTMi, Aspire 5600, etc) acer-aspire Acer Aspire 9810 medionMedion Laptops medion-md2Medion MD2 targa-dig Targa/MSI targa-2ch-dig Targs/MSI with 2-channel laptop-eapd 3-jack with SPDIF I/O and EAPD (Clevo M540JE, M550JE) lenovo-101e Lenovo 101E lenovo-nb0763 Lenovo NB0763 lenovo-ms7195-dig Lenovo MS7195 haier-w66 Haier W66 6stack-hp HP machines with 6stack (Nettle boards) 3stack-hp HP machines with 3stack (Lucknow, Samba boards) auto auto-config reading BIOS (default) Mais quand j'essaie les paramètres (je me sers de modconf pour insérer les paramètres) dmesg donne : snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `6stack-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `auto' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-6c' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-6ch-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `6stack-dig-demo' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `acer' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `acer-aspire' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `medion' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `medion-md2' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `targa-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `targa-2ch-dig' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `laptop-eapd' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `lenovo-101e' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `lenovo-nb0763' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `lenovo-ms7195' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `haier-w66' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `6stack-hp' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `3stack-hp' snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `auto' désespérant... Chez moi sur le portable le son avec snd-hda-intel , noyau 2.6.25 fonctionne bien. et que donne la commande lspci -vvv (pour voir si la carte son est repérée au départ). Moi j'ai toujours 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 829f Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort- TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR- Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 32 bytes Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 15 Region 0: Memory at f9ff8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: access denied -- philippe -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
vsftp et chroot des utilisateurs locaux
bonsoir, j'ai installé vsFTP sur une debian etch, modifié le fichier /etc/vsftpd.conf afin d'activer l'accès aux utilisateurs locaux et activer le chroot des utilisateurs: local_enable=YES write_enable=YES chroot_local_user=YES chroot_list_enable=YES chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list j'ai crée un utilisateur test, et j'arrive à me connecter sans problème et le chroot fonctionne aussi. mon soucis est le suivant: 1- le chroot concerne le dossier /home/ uniquement, le fonctionnement que je cherche c'est un chroot sur le dossier personnel de l'utilisateur (i.e: /home/test/). 2- lorsque j'enleve l'option shell pour l'utilisateur test ( usermod -s /bin/false test ), l'utilisateur ne peut plus se logger sur le serveur ftp. j'aimerai donner accès au serveur ftp à des utilisateurs n'ayant pas le droit au shell. merci d'avance de votre aide.
Re: vsftp et chroot des utilisateurs locaux
Bonjour, Le samedi 14 juin 2008, Abdellatif BLIHA a écrit... j'ai install vsFTP sur une debian etch, modifi le fichier /etc/vsftpd.conf afin d'activer l'acc s aux utilisateurs locaux et activer le chroot des utilisateurs: local_enable=YES write_enable=YES chroot_local_user=YES chroot_list_enable=YES chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list j'ai cr e un utilisateur test, et j'arrive me connecter sans probl me et le chroot fonctionne aussi. mon soucis est le suivant: 1- le chroot concerne le dossier /home/ uniquement, le fonctionnement que je cherche c'est un chroot sur le dossier personnel de l'utilisateur (i.e: /home/ test/). Il me semble que le commentaire de chroot_list_enable dans le fichier de conf est explicite (ou alors mon anglais est _beaucoup_ plus mauvais que ce que je crois !). Celui ci dit que si chroot_local_user est à YES, alors la liste précédente est relative aux utilisateurs à ne _pas_ chrooter. -- jm A.E.L. Sarl (R.C.S CASTRES 490843240) http://www.spidboutic.fr -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vsftp et chroot des utilisateurs locaux
effectivement, et mon fichier /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list est vide pour le moment. oublier la première question, le chroot fonctionne correctement, c'est moi qui me suis planter grave. en fait il y avait un dossier home à l'intérieur du dossier personnel de l'utilisateur... il faut le faire :-) par contre ma deuxième question est toujours d'actualité. lorsque j'attribue à l'utilisateur le shell /bin/false la connexion au serveur ftp ne marche plus. est-ce que c'est possible d'autoriser un utilisateur n'ayant pas de shell à ce connecter au serveur ftp? Le 14 juin 2008 22:05, Jean-Michel OLTRA [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Bonjour, Le samedi 14 juin 2008, Abdellatif BLIHA a écrit... j'ai install vsFTP sur une debian etch, modifi le fichier /etc/vsftpd.conf afin d'activer l'acc s aux utilisateurs locaux et activer le chroot des utilisateurs: local_enable=YES write_enable=YES chroot_local_user=YES chroot_list_enable=YES chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list j'ai cr e un utilisateur test, et j'arrive me connecter sans probl me et le chroot fonctionne aussi. mon soucis est le suivant: 1- le chroot concerne le dossier /home/ uniquement, le fonctionnement que je cherche c'est un chroot sur le dossier personnel de l'utilisateur (i.e: /home/ test/). Il me semble que le commentaire de chroot_list_enable dans le fichier de conf est explicite (ou alors mon anglais est _beaucoup_ plus mauvais que ce que je crois !). Celui ci dit que si chroot_local_user est à YES, alors la liste précédente est relative aux utilisateurs à ne _pas_ chrooter. -- jm A.E.L. Sarl (R.C.S CASTRES 490843240) http://www.spidboutic.fr -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vsftp et chroot des utilisateurs locaux
j'ai trouvé sur le net une astuce afin d'autoriser l'accès ftp pour des utilisateur locaux n'ayant pas de shell. il suffit d'ajouter le shell /bin/false parmis la liste des shells listés dans le fichier /etc/shells effectivement l'utilisateur ne peut pas ouvrir de session sur le serveur, la session terminal est automatiquement fermée juste après l'authentification. Mais l'utilisateur peut se logger en ftp vers son dossier perso sans problème. Vu que le but de la manip est de sécuriser les accès au serveur, est-ce que la modification apportée au fichier /etc/shells est sans danger?? Merci. Le 14 juin 2008 22:28, Abdellatif [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : effectivement, et mon fichier /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list est vide pour le moment. oublier la première question, le chroot fonctionne correctement, c'est moi qui me suis planter grave. en fait il y avait un dossier home à l'intérieur du dossier personnel de l'utilisateur... il faut le faire :-) par contre ma deuxième question est toujours d'actualité. lorsque j'attribue à l'utilisateur le shell /bin/false la connexion au serveur ftp ne marche plus. est-ce que c'est possible d'autoriser un utilisateur n'ayant pas de shell à ce connecter au serveur ftp? Le 14 juin 2008 22:05, Jean-Michel OLTRA [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Bonjour, Le samedi 14 juin 2008, Abdellatif BLIHA a écrit... j'ai install vsFTP sur une debian etch, modifi le fichier /etc/vsftpd.conf afin d'activer l'acc s aux utilisateurs locaux et activer le chroot des utilisateurs: local_enable=YES write_enable=YES chroot_local_user=YES chroot_list_enable=YES chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list j'ai cr e un utilisateur test, et j'arrive me connecter sans probl me et le chroot fonctionne aussi. mon soucis est le suivant: 1- le chroot concerne le dossier /home/ uniquement, le fonctionnement que je cherche c'est un chroot sur le dossier personnel de l'utilisateur (i.e: /home/ test/). Il me semble que le commentaire de chroot_list_enable dans le fichier de conf est explicite (ou alors mon anglais est _beaucoup_ plus mauvais que ce que je crois !). Celui ci dit que si chroot_local_user est à YES, alors la liste précédente est relative aux utilisateurs à ne _pas_ chrooter. -- jm A.E.L. Sarl (R.C.S CASTRES 490843240) http://www.spidboutic.fr -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vsftp et chroot des utilisateurs locaux
Le 14045ième jour après Epoch, Abdellatif écrivait: j'ai trouvé sur le net une astuce afin d'autoriser l'accès ftp pour des utilisateur locaux n'ayant pas de shell. il suffit d'ajouter le shell /bin/false parmis la liste des shells listés dans le fichier /etc/shells Je me souviens plutôt du fait que: Shell user | Accès shell | Accès FTP ---+-+-- /bin/bash¹ | Oui | Oui /bin/true | Non | Oui /bin/false | Non | Non En gros, avec un [¹]shell dans /etc/shells, les users ont un accès FTP et un shell, avec /bin/true ils n'ont que FTP, et avec /bin/false ils n'ont aucun accès de ce genre. Vu que le but de la manip est de sécuriser les accès au serveur, est-ce que la modification apportée au fichier /etc/shells est sans danger?? Je ne peux pas te répondre sur ce point là, désolé. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vsftp et chroot des utilisateurs locaux
Le 15 juin 2008 00:24, François TOURDE [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Le 14045ième jour après Epoch, Abdellatif écrivait: j'ai trouvé sur le net une astuce afin d'autoriser l'accès ftp pour des utilisateur locaux n'ayant pas de shell. il suffit d'ajouter le shell /bin/false parmis la liste des shells listés dans le fichier /etc/shells Je me souviens plutôt du fait que: Shell user | Accès shell | Accès FTP ---+-+-- /bin/bash¹ | Oui | Oui /bin/true | Non | Oui /bin/false | Non | Non En gros, avec un [¹]shell dans /etc/shells, les users ont un accès FTP et un shell, avec /bin/true ils n'ont que FTP, et avec /bin/false ils n'ont aucun accès de ce genre. Vu que le but de la manip est de sécuriser les accès au serveur, est-ce que la modification apportée au fichier /etc/shells est sans danger?? Je ne peux pas te répondre sur ce point là, désolé. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] je ne savais pas qu'il existe aussi le /bin/true et en plus ça correspond exactement à ce que je cherche. Merci pour l'info. dans ce cas je vais retirer /bin/false du fichier /etc/shells et le remplacer par /bin/true. ainsi je respecte cette nomenclature du /bin/true et /bin/false. ce que j'ai compris en tout cas est que le fichier /etc/shells contient la liste des shells valide pour le systeme. donc à priori, puisque le /bin/true n'existe pas cela ne devrait pas causer de dégat (j'espère :-)). Merci beaucoup. --- Abdellatif BLIHA -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: driver son asus p5kc
De (from) (von) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Chez moi sur le portable le son avec snd-hda-intel , noyau 2.6.25 fonctionne bien. en regardant de + près ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz il y a marqué Module snd-hda-intel for Intel HD Audio (ICH6, ICH6M, ESB2, ICH7, ICH8), ATI SB450, SB600, RS600, VIA VT8251/VT8237A, SIS966, ULI M5461 or mon lspci indique 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) ICH9. C'est peut-être là qu'il y a qqchose qui ne convient pas... -- philippe -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/DebFrFrenchLists Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-listbugs nie podaje listy bledow
hej, proboje aktualizowac pakiety na serwerze i przy sciaganiu listy bledow apt-listbugs daje mi timeouty... Reading package fields... Done Reading package status... Done Retrieving bug reports... 0% W: Przekroczony czas oczekiwania na połączenie - connect(2) Error retrieving bug reports Retry downloading bug information?[Y/n]? Debian etch czy ktos ma podobny problem ? pozdrawiam Marcin
pregunta sobre particionado
Buenas a todos una pregunta que me ha surgido... Si tienes una partición montada en /home y dentro de esa partición te quedas sin espacio, es mala practica montar otra partición en un directorio dentro de home? Por ejemplo: /dev/hda1 / /dev/hda2 /home /dev/hda3 /home/data1 Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Al encender un server una interfaz no arranco
El día 13 de junio de 2008 23:33, ciracusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: david sastre wrote: 2008/6/13 ciracusa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Listeros, al iniciar un Server hoy por la mañana una de las interfacez no arranco (tuve que hacerlo de manera manual y ahora está funcionando). Demás esta decir que nadie toco nada y ayer se apagó normalmente. Donde puedo ver alguna información al respecto? Con dmesg no veo nada anómalo, por lo que no se que puede haber pasado? Muchas Gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sería necesario saber algo más sobre el fallo en concreto, pero, para empezar, encontrarás más info en /var/log/syslog David, gracias por tu respuesta. Dime que otra información puedo suministrarte? Muchas Gracias. Salu2. Pues, como te han dicho, la configuración actual de tus interfaces (/etc/network/interfaces) y algo más de info relativa al fallo: quizá una descripción breve de cómo tienes montada la LAN sería de ayuda. Te digo ésto porque, por ejemplo, me pasó que a veces arrancaba una máquina que usaba de servidor de impresoras y no levantaba la interfaz. Le pasaba un poco de todo: no cargaba el módulo correspondiente a la tarjeta (en ese caso era tulip) porque no estaba en la lista (/etc/modules), después hubo que afinar la config (/etc/network/interfaces) para que pillase IP en mi LAN si la máquina estaba funcionando antes que el router... Por eso una descripción algo más detallada es útil para localizar el posible fallo y, entre todos, ayudarte a que lo soluciones. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Al encender un server una interfaz no arranco
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:40 AM, ciracusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listeros, al iniciar un Server hoy por la mañana una de las interfacez no arranco (tuve que hacerlo de manera manual y ahora está funcionando). Demás esta decir que nadie toco nada y ayer se apagó normalmente. Donde puedo ver alguna información al respecto? Con dmesg no veo nada anómalo, por lo que no se que puede haber pasado? Muchas Gracias. cuantas interfaces tienes en /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .? Saludos -- La Voluntad es el unico motor de nuestros logros Mstaaravin / http://www.mstaaravin.com.ar/
Re: pregunta sobre particionado
El sábado, 14 junio del 2008 a las 05:43:50, Jose Ricardo Perez Cantillo escribió: 2008/6/14 Luis Miguel R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Buenas a todos una pregunta que me ha surgido... Si tienes una partición montada en /home y dentro de esa partición te quedas sin espacio, es mala practica montar otra partición en un directorio dentro de home? Por ejemplo: /dev/hda1 / /dev/hda2 /home /dev/hda3 /home/data1 A ver si me explico tu particion /data tiene espacio pero tu /home esta full deseas colocar data dentro de home para añadir espacio a home. NO puedes moover home a una particion mas grande, o redimensionarla usando gparticion o cualqueir otro particionador. Buenas, es una pregunta teorica, en linux puedes hacer mounts anidados sin problemas pero se producen situaciones raras, ahora tendriamos espacio en data1 pero no en /home. El tema es saber si este tipo de anidaciones de particiones tienen algún buen uso, aunque pienso que en el ejemplo que he puesto no es buena idea hacerlo. Un saludo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pregunta sobre particionado
Luis Miguel R. wrote: El sábado, 14 junio del 2008 a las 05:43:50, Jose Ricardo Perez Cantillo escribió: 2008/6/14 Luis Miguel R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Buenas a todos una pregunta que me ha surgido... Si tienes una partición montada en /home y dentro de esa partición te quedas sin espacio, es mala practica montar otra partición en un directorio dentro de home? Por ejemplo: /dev/hda1 / /dev/hda2 /home /dev/hda3 /home/data1 A ver si me explico tu particion /data tiene espacio pero tu /home esta full deseas colocar data dentro de home para añadir espacio a home. NO puedes moover home a una particion mas grande, o redimensionarla usando gparticion o cualqueir otro particionador. Buenas, es una pregunta teorica, en linux puedes hacer mounts anidados sin problemas pero se producen situaciones raras, ahora tendriamos espacio en data1 pero no en /home. El tema es saber si este tipo de anidaciones de particiones tienen algún buen uso, aunque pienso que en el ejemplo que he puesto no es buena idea hacerlo. Un saludo. ¿No puedes redimensionar /home? Si estan en discos distintos podrias hacer las particiones y montarte un RAID con LVM... De todos modos, tampoco tiene porque estar mal lo de anidar la particion, vale, te quedas sin espacio en /home, a no ser que pases parte de los datos de /home a /home/data1, si tienes varios usuarios por ejemplo podrias montar /home en la principal y luego en la particion que ya tienes llena /home/grupo1 (y modificar todo para dejar a la mitad de los usuarios en /home/grupo1/usuarios) y el grupo 2 con la otra particion. Si lo que ocurre es que, con un mismo usuario, se te ha llenado la particion (por ejemplo, con una carpeta en tu home llamada proyectos) pues mueves proyectos a proyectos.bak y creas /home/$user/proyectos, montas ahí y mueves proyectos.bak/* a proyectos. -- http://thexayon.wordpress.com Que la fuerza os acompañe. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s: a--- C UL P L+++ E--- W+++ N+++ o+ K- w--- O M+ V- PS+ PE+++ Y PGP++ t--- 5 X+++ R tv+++ b DI--- D+++ G+ e- h++ r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- --XayOn-- Linux registered user #446872 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
frikeando con el comando dd
Hola!, quería preguntaros una pequeña duda a vosotros amigos listeros. Os cuento: Hay ocasiones en las que inevitablemente tengo que usar el sistema operativo de Redmon porque no me valen con los emuladores, como por ejemplo al ejecutar juegos Como solo uso ese sistema operativo para ese menester, el resto del tiempo me está incordiando y necesito esa pertición para almacenar otras cosas. Pero claro ... no voy a estar constantemente cargandome el MBR al instalar ese sistema cada vez que me haga falta. Por lo cual un día se me ocurrió la genialidad de hacer una copia en bruto con el comando dd, de la partición donde tenía alojado el sistema de M$ así cada vez que me hiciera falta solo tendría que volcar la imágen en la partición y borrarla cuando me hiciera falta, y listo. Lo que pasa que sorprendentemente eso no funciona ... el grub no es capaz de arrancarme con esa partición de ninguna de las maneras ... aunque la partición la vuelca correctamente, eso si, porque el espacio lo ocupa. Además pruebo a hacerlo en una partición vacía, sin ningun sistema en ella y si me funciona... Podría darme alguien solución a esto? seguro que a mas de uno le sirve ;) Un saludo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail
El 13/06/08, Juan Antonio Martínez Acosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Manuel Soto escribió: El día 13 de junio de 2008 8:24, Juan Antonio Martínez Acosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Manolo Díaz escribió: El Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:24:39 + Juan Antonio Martínez Acosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Gracias Fernando Lo que quiero decir es que, usando icedove como cliente de correo, si instalo fetchmail, los correos los enviará y recibirá usando ssl ? Salu2s O te he entendido mal o estás confundido. Para enviar o recibir correo usando ssl icedove NO necesita a fetchamail, necesita que el servidor en cuestión ofrezca esa posibilidad. Gmail lo ofrece, y puedes ver su documentación para ver cómo configurar tu posible cuenta de gmail, pero otros no, y en esos casos ni fetchmail ni icedove podrían hacer nada. No sé si estoy respondiendo a tu pregunta. Saludos Si, Manolo he entendido lo que me dices, lo que pasa es que en el Synaptic me topé con fetchmail, y decía que habilitaba ssl para POP, smtp, y la duda era si fetchmail habilitaba ssl, o era un cliente de correos, por lo que me dices, si el servidor de correo soporta ssl no me hace falta fetchmail para que icedove lo soporte. Salu2s Como te dicen arriba, no es que no haga falta, es que no es para eso. Es para hacer fetch de emails Ok, creo que no lo instalaré. Salu2s y gracias por sus aportes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] el fetchmail es para recuperar mails de otro servidor en mi servidor y por ende recupera en casi todas las formas que se puede encontrar pop2 pop3 imap ssl etc. etc. -- MrIX Linux user number 412793. http://counter.li.org/ las grandes obras, las sueñan los santos locos, las realizan los luchadores natos, las aprovechan los felices cuerdo, y las critican los inútiles crónicos, yo no fui, seguro que es mas inteligente. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grub não instala .
Bom dia Eu já passei por essa situação, tentei tudo o que foi possível para reverter a situação mas não conseguisó que o engraçado é que, na hora de instalar o grub durante a instalação, ele aparece HD0, mas na hora de reinstalar, ele não aceita... o que acabei fazendo? formatei e reinstalei somente o sistema raiz, copiando os caches do apt no meu home para não ter de baixar tudo novamente... 2008/6/14 Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Primeiro faça backup do que for importante no Debian. Você formato na instalação onde o debian ia ser colocado? Quando se perde o grub por algum motivo se pode colocar ele pelo cd de instalação, no modo rescue. Quando der o boot pelo cd, e aparecer a primeira tela do instalador, digita ai, rescue e de enter, ai se pode apenas instalar o grub. Esse endereço de hd hd0 acho que não existe, ou é hda, hda1, hda2 partições do hda, ou outro hd, hdb, hdb1, hdb2 etc... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grub não instala .
Olá Gente, entrei em modo de recuperação como falou e reintalei o Grub em /dev/hda (mbr) do primeiro disco.reiniciei a máquina e apareceu o seguinte: GRUB Loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait ... Error 22 Tentei instalar o GRUB no disquete /dev/fd0 e na hora do boot o disquete inicia e joga na tela GRUB e fica parado. Meus Hds são: Primary IDE MASTER SAMSUNG Primary IDE SLAVEWDC WD Secondary IDE MASTER TssTcorp CDDVDW SH Secondery IDE SLAVE HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GS Agora os Hds Sata: Serial Ch_0 MASTER ST3120 Serial Ch_1 MASTER ST3500 Dados da BIOS - HARD DRIVES 1st DRIVE PM SAMSUNG 2nd DRIVE ST31120 3rd DRIVE ST3500 4th DRIVE PS-WDC WD Ordem de Boot 1st TssTcorp CDDVDW SH 2nd Floppy 3rd PM SAMSUNG Esper que alguém dê uma luz para resolver isso,pois tenho dados nos linux instalado que não posso perder ok.Sobre o lance hd0 é a notação do Grub , veja: *o /dev/hda1 é referenciando na configuração do Grub como (hd0,0) - primeiro hd,primeira partição.O (hd0,2) do exemplo seria à terceira partição do primeiro HD, ou seja, faria referência* *ao /dev/hda3.Em resumo, na nomenclatura adotada pelo Grub temos:* *PRIMEIRO HD = 0* *SEGUNDO HD = 1* *TERCEIRO HD = 2* *As partições dentro de cada HD são também nomeadas a partir do zero :* */dev/hda1 = 0,0* */dev/hda2 = 0,1* */dev/hda3 = 0,2* */dev/hda4 = 0,4* */dev/hda5 = 0,4* */dev/hda6 = 0,5 * *etc ... * o texto acima em *negrito* foi extraído do livro *Kurumin 7 do autor Carlos E. Morimoto*, capítulo 2 página 101. Em 14/06/08, Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Primeiro faça backup do que for importante no Debian. Você formato na instalação onde o debian ia ser colocado? Quando se perde o grub por algum motivo se pode colocar ele pelo cd de instalação, no modo rescue. Quando der o boot pelo cd, e aparecer a primeira tela do instalador, digita ai, rescue e de enter, ai se pode apenas instalar o grub. Esse endereço de hd hd0 acho que não existe, ou é hda, hda1, hda2 partições do hda, ou outro hd, hdb, hdb1, hdb2 etc... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Grata, Luciana
Re: Grub não instala .
Luciana Sousa escreveu: Olá Gente, entrei em modo de recuperação como falou e reintalei o Grub em /dev/hda (mbr) do primeiro disco.reiniciei a máquina e apareceu o seguinte: GRUB Loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait ... Error 22 Olá, Você já deu uma olhada em [1]? http://www.guiadohardware.net/comunidade/v-t/803146/ [...] -- Grata, Luciana Abraço, -- Gunther Furtado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curitiba - PR - Brasil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grub não instala .
2008/6/14 Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Esse endereço de hd hd0 acho que não existe, ou é hda, hda1, hda2 partições do hda, ou outro hd, hdb, hdb1, hdb2 etc... O hd0 existe sim, é como o GRUB numera os dispositivos de armazenamento. As partições são numeradas da seguinte forma: (hd0,0), (hd0,1), etc... Cuidado para não atrapalhar ao invés de ajudar! :P Participar ativamente de listas como a d-u-p é sempre bom, mas se não tem certeza se está passando uma informação correta, verifique antes ou não passe a informação adiante para não confundir ainda mais a pessoa com dúvidas. Japa
Re: Grub não instala .
O GRUB enxerga o disco da seguinte forma: iDE1 (MASTER) /dev/hd0 IDE1 (SLAVE) /dev/hd1 IDE2(MASTER) /dev/hd2 IDE2(SLAVE) /dev/hd3 Já passei por uma situação em que meu disco estava como master-ide1 (hd0), e ao gravar na mbr do hd0 ele dava erro, ao gravar como hd1 dava certo. O problema na verdade era de hardware, do próprio hd e não do grub. O que vc pode fazer é: - quando aparecer a tela do gerenciador de boot (grub), no boot PRESSIONE E - Depois pressione E novamente e edite os parâmetros de boot, o que funcionar você coloca no arquivo menu.lst. A sequência de teclas para edição do grub no boot é: E + E + B + ENTER. De:Gunther Furtado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para:debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Cópia: Data:Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:37:54 -0300 Assunto:Re: Grub não instala . Luciana Sousa escreveu: Olá Gente, entrei em modo de recuperação como falou e reintalei o Grub em /dev/hda (mbr) do primeiro disco.reiniciei a máquina e apareceu o seguinte: GRUB Loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait ... Error 22 Olá, Você já deu uma olhada em [1]? http://www.guiadohardware.net/comunidade/v-t/803146/ [...] -- Grata, Luciana Abraço, -- Gunther Furtado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curitiba - PR - Brasil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eduardo do Amaral Moreira fone 2221160
Re: java
3 adet dvd si var bildiğim kadarıyla birde update dvd si var. update hariç diğerlerine baktım sun-java ile ilgili birşey yok. 14 Haziran 2008 Cumartesi 01:10 tarihinde Mehmet Özgür Bayhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] yazdı: DVD ler eksik değilse olması lazım 13 Haziran 2008 Cuma 21:26 tarihinde ces 200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] yazmış: debian ile ilgili bütün dvd ler elimde mevcuttur ancak bunların içinde java yok galiba.
Re: java
sun-java paketleri non-free depolarinda yer aliyor. DVD veya CD'ler ile gelmezler. 2008/6/14 Mehmet Özgür Bayhan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: DVD ler eksik değilse olması lazım 13 Haziran 2008 Cuma 21:26 tarihinde ces 200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] yazmış: debian ile ilgili bütün dvd ler elimde mevcuttur ancak bunların içinde java yok galiba.
webcam driver
Selamlar, Bir projeyle kendim vakit buldukça ilgilenmek istiyorum. Amaç usb hostu olan bir gömülü cihaza dahili mikrofonlu usb webcam takıp bu webcam i kontrol eden bir uygulama yazmak. Bu uygulamayla ses ve görüntüyü başka bir yere ip üzerinden göndermek. Bu arada board un ses kartı ve dolayısıyla mikrofon girişi olmadığı için webcam in sesi ve görüntüyü usb den vermesi gerekiyor. Birkaç webcam buldum bu şekilde ve linux driver ı olan fakat hangi driver ile daha iyi çalışabilirim, daha performanslı olur karar veremedim. Bu konuda tavsiyesi olan var mıdır? Teşekkürler, iyi çalışmalar. -- Mahmut Kays
Re: debian sid gnome
Hi, I've come accoss a similar problem, that my apt-get or aptitude wanted to remove my gnome, gtk, etc. Almost ervery core module of gnome i think.(see attached for the result of apt-get autoremove -s) I also guess sid's dependency may be broken recently. Regards. Reeyarn 2008/6/14 Dietrich Bollmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Thanks for all the answers :) I am trying to answer to all of them at once... Here my initial posting: Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove gnome: apt-get dist-upgrade [...] The following packages will be REMOVED: epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51 libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3 libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim [...] As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system. Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be updated again or is there some better way to proceed? The temporary solution seems to be, as Daniel, Magnus and HS proposed, to use aptitude rather than apt-get or synaptic. The following sequence updated most of my system: aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade aptitude -s full-upgrade aptitude full-upgrade Concerning the latter command, I followed the advice of HS: Aptitude usually tells you what is broken and what is the suggested resolution. If you do not accept the suggestion, it gives you another different one and so on until you accept one or just quit the upgrade. and only accepted a partial solution. Aptitude still doesn't know about any final solution and still wants to: Remove the following packages: fast-user-switch-applet gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools which I am rejecting. This update / upgrade procedure removed the kde meta package which, as Tom pointed out, didn't hurt too much as it won't remove anything except the meta package itself. Also I am currently mostly using gnome anyway. Even if my system is in a somehow inconsistent state now, I can live with this situation until the problem is solved and a new version of gnome and kde can be installed. The most important thing is that I still can update the rest of my system. In Joe's words: some of the time, the sid repositories are in an inconsistent state, and a bit of patience is required. Looking at the current rate of updates, about 70MB a day for my 2200 packages, this is not entirely surprising. and also: so that's a matter of waiting Concerning aptitude vs. apt-get / synaptic, Daniel said: The algorithms used to solve dependencies are different, so sometimes they'll produce different results. aptitude has more facilities for showing why it's doing what it's doing, which is why I suggested it. As the problem seems to concern all people using gnome on debian sid (Daniel: [...] broken gnome-system-tools [...] broken kdenetwork [...]), but still I couldn't find other postings about the problem, I suppose that most of the people using debian sid rather use aptitude than apt-get or synaptic to update their system and do not mind packages listed as broken too much :) To cite Daniel again: So, these are the dependencies it's trying to resolve. The big problems for you are probably the broken gnome-system-tools (which is required by gnome-desktop-environment) and the broken kdenetwork (which is part of kde). In the case of kdenetwork, you can't upgrade it until kde is rebuilt for your architecture -- according to packages.debian.org, packages like dcoprss are only at 4:3.5.9-2 on amd64, hppa, and ia64 so far. gnome is broken because gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome-system-tools, which depends on both system-tools-backends and liboobs-1-3; however, the new version of system-tools-backends conflicts with liboobs-1-3. So the version of gnome in sid just can't be installed at all, ever. In other words, neither of these packages can be upgraded right now. I am happy to wait :) Thank you all for your help, Dietrich PS: Thanks to Ron for teaching me about: apt-show-versions -u | sort -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Reeyarn debian:/home/reeyarn# apt-get autoremove -s æ£å¨è¯»å软件å å表... å®æ æ£å¨åæ软件å çä¾èµå ³ç³»æ æ£å¨è¯»åç¶æä¿¡æ¯... å®æ The following packages are not usedï¼ libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil sg3-utils ekiga libgsf-gnome-1-114 python-opengl libmono2.0-cil python-gst0.10 libmtp7 libmono-security1.0-cil gcalctool gthumb sharutils cupsys-common libpth20 gnuchess-book gnome-nettool gnome-games-extra-data libgtk-vnc-1.0-0 libgksu1.2-0 python-notify dia-libs libglade2.0-cil
repeated input by holding down a key doesn't work when using a USB keyboard
Hi, Since my last update of the debian sid system on my laptop the repeated input of the same key by holding down the key for a longer time doesn't work anymore when using an external USB keyboard. I am using CTRL-b / CTRL-f / CTRL-p / CTRL-n etc. all the time when editing texts - and find myself forced to hit the key an infinite number of times like a professional gamer instead of just pushing it once and holding it down for a longer time :( The laptop keyboard works as before... Any hint? Thanks, Dietrich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any isencrypted function available?
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, buyoppy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any 'isencrypted 'function available on Debian which judges whether some data is encrypted or not? Depends on what you mean by encryption. If you mean encryption via GPG, see `file' command. OTOH, I can encrypt a plain text file via my own ad-hoc algorithm and it'll still appear as a plain text file. Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
Hi again list. I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length, or let me know if separate mails is better netiquette. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008-06-13 13:38, David wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: read 'man tune2fs' for some tips for setting interval and mount count to something that better meets your needs. This isn't a solution for me. I want fsck to run regularly, but to still have a way to by-pass it when I need to. Making fsck run less frequently will leave me with the same problem. eg every 100th boot I will still have to wait 10-20 minutes before I can start using the PC, which is a royal PITA. So basically you want to have the check without having to wait for the check to finish. I don't know, how you want this to be accomplished. Either the check runs automatically or you have to run it manually. Like a later poster said, I just want the ability to defer it if I need to boot up quickly this time. I don't have a problem with letting the check run if I'm not in too much of a hurry. What would work best for me is to have 2 abilities: 1) Defer the boot fsck until later 2) When I shut down the machine, have the option to fsck then (eg: takes 20 minutes, but then shuts down). I know this can be accomplished in Ubuntu (see my original post). But I'd like a way to do it on Debian Unstable by only using software from the repo :-) Ctrl-C worked without problems the last time I tried on my debian lenny. I tested this on 2 Sid boxes, both had the problem. In the past (with Testing Stable) hitting Ctrl-C will randomly either leave the partition read-only, or will re-mount it in write mode. OK, I checked again. Ctrl-C works for /home but not for / . So, I guess you would have to move your data to another partition. I have a rather small / partition, so fsck is fast and I probably never have interrupted it up to now. My /home partition is large, takes a long time to fsck and I haven't had problems interrupting it in order to have it checked next time. Again, since the feature works for other partitions than / , I'd guess that there is a good reason why it isn't implemented for / . (Maybe I'm wrong. Is there someone out there who knows better?) Thanks for discovering that. Does anyone know if it's documented? My guess is that if fsck on / terminates for an unknown reason, sysvinit thinks that it's safer to leave the drive in read-only mode so a system administrator can check it, and retry the boot fsck. Like a less severe version of the prompt to go to single-user mode when a serious problem is found during the scan. It would be nice if it printed a message so we knew that this was it's intent... Or, more likely, the logic for scanning /, and scanning all other partitions is implemented separately, and only the logic for non-/ partitions has the ability to mount r/w after the user hits Ctrl+C. I would like the *option* to interrupt scanning / (cleanly), and not be forced to fsck it when it's inconveniant to me. My PC's housekeeping needs aren't more important than me! :-) I have more comments on this subject, see a later reply. Set your mount count and intervals apropriately for your needs. You could also fsck manually (shuttdown's -F option), whenever it suits you, eg. disable automatic checking and only check manually. This is a pain. I would need to find time when I'm not using the PC, but still want it to be on, which is not often. I like to turn off my PC when I'm not using it, and to not have to wait for it when I do want to use it. You cannot reliably fsck / when the computer is on. It either has to be at boot time or else you have to boot from another / like from a rescue CD/DVD. I don't mind it fscking, I mind it fscking when I have more important things to do than wait for it to finish. - /sbin/shutdown allows the user to (any of these would help): * Force a fsck during the restart (-rF), and then to shut down the system. Does not work for me, because I want to shut down the computer completely, not just waste all that power with standby mode. I.e. if you want to turn off the power supply completely, shutdown is not enough, YOU have to switch off manually. I think this depends on hardware. Most of my boxes shut down completely when I run 'shutdown -P'. But there are a few (maybe old kernel) which go into stand-by mode even when I really want shutdown to power it off. In my experience *any* computer will be in some kind of standby mode as long as there is no physical interruption to the power. Some power supplies don't have a 'physical switch', but that just means that they will always use a few watts of electricity unless you remove the cord or put a physical switch between the box and the electrical outlet. Thanks for the info. I
Re: Fetchmail
Jamie Griffin wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 06:21:25PM +0300, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote: # /etc/init.d/fetchmail restart Restarting mail retriever agent: fetchmailfetchmail: no mailservers have been specified. failed! Did you run it as root? and have you entered all the required info in /etc/fetchmailrc? Sorry, that took so long. :-( Had been busy. * Yes I run '/etc/init.d/fetchmail restart' as root and fetchmail daemon has been set to run by SysV-init scripts. * My /etc/fetchmailrc is empty * /home/[USER_ACCOUNT]/.fetchmailrc has: set postmaster [USER_ACCOUNT] set bouncemail set daemon 300 plus all e-mail account information. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian sid gnome
[ Please try to turn off the HTML part of your messages. ] On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 14:18:40 +0800, Reeyarn wrote: Hi, I've come accoss a similar problem, that my apt-get or aptitude wanted to remove my gnome, gtk, etc. Almost ervery core module of gnome i think.(see attached for the result of apt-get autoremove -s) [...] I think you are missing one or more of the following metapackages: gnome | The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components gnome-core| The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components gnome-core-devel | The GNOME Desktop Environment -- development components gnome-desktop-environment | The GNOME Desktop Environment gnome-devel | The GNOME Desktop Environment -- development tools gnome-fifth-toe | The GNOME Fifth Toe applications gnome-office | The GNOME Office suite gnome-themes-extras | various themes for the GNOME 2 desktop The metapackages themselves are empty, but they protect other packages from autoremoval by depending on them. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
POP3 server
I have used POP3 server now a few months, but I have forgot whitch one it was. :-/ How can I find out whitch server I am using? :-D Tero Mäntyvaara -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
# /etc/init.d/fetchmail restart Restarting mail retriever agent: fetchmailfetchmail: no mailservers have been specified. failed! Did you run it as root? and have you entered all the required info in /etc/fetchmailrc? Sorry, that took so long. :-( Had been busy. * Yes I run '/etc/init.d/fetchmail restart' as root and fetchmail daemon has been set to run by SysV-init scripts. * My /etc/fetchmailrc is empty * /home/[USER_ACCOUNT]/.fetchmailrc has: set postmaster [USER_ACCOUNT] set bouncemail set daemon 300 You should have the server information in /etc/fetchmailrc not ~/.fetchmailrc if you want to run the program as root. Jamie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote: Hi again list. I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length, Please don't do that. *You* can receive your mails in digest mode by specifying it with some command to the list server, but PLEASE don't enforce it on others. There is already an extreme waste of bandwidth by people not trimming their posts. -- sig lost after 5000dd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
Jamie Griffin wrote: # /etc/init.d/fetchmail restart Restarting mail retriever agent: fetchmailfetchmail: no mailservers have been specified. failed! Did you run it as root? and have you entered all the required info in /etc/fetchmailrc? Sorry, that took so long. :-( Had been busy. * Yes I run '/etc/init.d/fetchmail restart' as root and fetchmail daemon has been set to run by SysV-init scripts. * My /etc/fetchmailrc is empty * /home/[USER_ACCOUNT]/.fetchmailrc has: set postmaster [USER_ACCOUNT] set bouncemail set daemon 300 You should have the server information in /etc/fetchmailrc not ~/.fetchmailrc if you want to run the program as root. Jamie Isn't it possible to run fetchmail as root and then one process fetches the mail of all users with help of ~/.fetchmail? If no, is there any script that executes daemon automatically for every user that has .fetchmailrc? Tero Mäntyvaara -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quota - delete Single Entry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mike Bird wrote: On Fri June 13 2008 18:07:47 URNIL FGBEZ wrote: There is no possible way that there are still files owned by that user because i use the following way to delete that account: 1. userdel 1500 2. rm -rf /srv/HOMEDIR Please don't top post. What did find show you? There may be temp files, mail files (since you didn't use userdel -r) and even deleted files. Iff find shows no files belonging to user 1500, the quota accounting may be off. Use quotacheck to fix it, preferable when the system is idle. --Mike Bird Problem solved - thanks again for your help, next time i should look into the man pages of userdel. userdel -r does the magic i need :) Kind Regards -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkhTtW8ACgkQLMVLOR388SP/gQCdHx4J07k8mgOrtAD7FiP3yn3G SrsAoKvD1yBzhVwLFXU+y2/EoH8PhvoQ =X5XY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 02:52:07PM +0300, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote: Isn't it possible to run fetchmail as root and then one process fetches the mail of all users with help of ~/.fetchmail? If no, is there any script that executes daemon automatically for every user that has .fetchmailrc? using individual user ~/.fetchmailrc files is probably a safer and preferred way to use fetchmail. Running it as root obviously brings risks which could potentially compromise the root account. Have you tried just changing the setting 'enable daemon=yes' in the file /etc/default/fetchmail and rebooting which should trigger the daemon anyway? Otherwise you could run a cron job to trigger the daemon and specify 'set daemon 300' for example in your ~/.fetchmailrc file. Jamie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PCI: BIOS Bug: MCFG area at e0000000 is not E820-reserved
Hi you all, I got this line in dmesg output and my PCI audio card (Terratec DMX 6fire) not working at all. Can someone tell me if this bug (a kernel bug probably, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480513) prevents PCI cards from working? or my audio card has compatibility problems with recent motherboards? I recently updated my linux box to AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ on an ASUS M3A motherboard, debian lenny and 2.6.24-1 kernel. regards raffaele
Re: Debian on laptop
I would look into the Ubuntu laptops from Dell. If they run Ubuntu, there's a chance they'll run Debian, since Ubuntu is based off of Debian. Must my two pennies. --Marloque alfa beta wrote: Dear Sirs, After spending hours of reading about the Linux distributions and compatible hardware, I feel I get crazzy. I chose you because of your Social Contract, though I'm not sure Debian is still updated, apologize, I couldn't find recent articles, I am a newbye. Question: Could you recommend me a laptop model, with all details, which works completely, or perfectly with Debian? Including audio-video hardware, and hardware for connection to Internet (I'm on cable modem, UPC is my provider). I don't need an expensive one. Perhaps an anti-glare, anti-reflex screen is needed because I'll have to read a lot. Thanks, E.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
Jamie writes: using individual user ~/.fetchmailrc files is probably a safer and preferred way to use fetchmail. Those are not the only choices. I run Fetchmail as an unprivileged user named mailagent which then passes the mail to Mailagent (could just as well be Procmail) for local sorting and delivery. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install a small graphic manager
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:00:42PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 02:42:55PM +0100, abelahcene wrote: I have a miniPc, can't install the heavy gnome or kde on it . I want to install a just graphic , in fact I want to use it , just to display a window . Any small WM will be OK. So I have to install the system whitout X, and complete it with small X later, I don't know what are the required packages to run correctly the X. My smallest box is a 486 with 32MB ram with a 512 MB drive. Granted it can't run Etch anymore but it runs up-to-date xorg from OpenBSD. Why can't this box run Etch? IIRC the minimal requirements of the Debian Installer is either 32MB or 24MB (for the low memory variant). I use icewm on all my boxes. If you only want to show one window, then technically you don't need a window manager. For convenience, you could have rxvt start then run your app from that. Set window size and position with --geometry. Which is fine, as long as the app does not pop-up any additional windows. Then things become strange. For a single-application scenario, you may also run it on the console frame-buffer directly (at least if it is GTK), I believe. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, charlie derr wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I guess the defaults are very conservative settings regarding reliability of your data and were implemented at a time when there was no journalling for data protection. Actually, kernel bugs, memory problems, corruption in the CPU to disk platter path, and media bitrot are the reasons for which scheduled fsck exist. Journals don't help or hinder it in any way. Otherwise, you'd fsck only on unclean shutdown, or after a known data-trashing event (like an erroneous write access to the raw device, or IO errors on the device, etc). I'd love an explanation about why only certain filesystem types seem to need this fsck as a regular event. Maybe I've got some details wrong, The only thing that makes periodic fsck rarely needed is a filesystem which uses strong enough CRC or ECC to protect ***all*** of its metadata, and for those with logs and journals, this ALSO requires it to deal properly with all possible failure modes for replay (otherwise it will corrupt itself). You'd still need to fsck it every time you suspect of kernel bugs in the filesystem code. A filesystem that does live fsck (not just data integrity testing, but an actuall full filesystem metadata integrity check like fsck does) is just doing the periodic fsck for you anyway, so it doesn't count. As an example: XFS has extremely well made test suites that SGI runs on the code in the kernel, so bugs (nowadays) are very rare in mainline *releases* (not -rc!). That doesn't mean your hardware will take care of the data XFS entrusted to it as it should have. We are NOT using it on high-end SGI hardware, after all. AFAIK, none of the for-production filesystems have full metadata protection yet, or live fsck capabilities. But I really might be wrong about this, so let's see if someone who knows better can point us to filesystems with that feature. But DO note that you can't have it both ways. The more resilient and safe a filesystem tries to be, the SLOWER it will have to be in order to enforce that. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 02:32:29PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Your / should be small, fsck-friendly, and resilient as all heck. If running fsck in your / takes enough time that you wouldn't afford to do it at every boot (in a recent system), then your / is too large in my book. The same holds for any other partition you can't easily umount to fsck in maintenance mode. Agreed. / only needs to be 300 MB or so with a separate /boot (if needed for the hardware). / with /boot easily fits in 512 MB and takes only a few seconds to fsck with ext3 and with data=journal still runs pleanty fast. Watch out that data=journal. It is far more kernel-bug prone than data=ordered, for the simple fact that almost everyone uses data=ordered, including those who mess with the ext3 code, so bugs can hide in the data=journal code paths a lot more easily. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: indexing particular file types
Yes. This is exactly what I intend to do. Thanks for the feedback. If you have any advice on this please don't hesitate to share with us :-) TIA On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/08 05:43, Mag Gam wrote: Is it possible to index all symbolic links (source and destination) of a filesystem? For example, in my university we have a project where professors use vast amount of disk space -- over 10 TB a month. We provide the professors a mount point, /barXX and export that mount point. The professor then symbolic links that filesystem like, ln -s /nfsexport/barXX June10_data. I would like to keep track of these symbolic links. Is there a good method for this? Is there a feature in ext3 which will let me keep track of these symbolic links. I can always do a find /fs and compare inode info, but that would just take too long... A relatively simple python or Perl script would do the trick. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUAoES9HxQb37XmcRAtDAAKCLjhYrVyZYhqxVMHTWKTxUT6QS0gCfSkrI gXU+ysO2s32z4pUSxGjpwTw= =gv8G -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on laptop
On Sat June 14 2008, Marloque wrote: I would look into the Ubuntu laptops from Dell. If they run Ubuntu, there's a chance they'll run Debian, since Ubuntu is based off of Debian. Must my two pennies. I have Debian running on my newer Dell XPS desktop, complete with NVIDIA drivers. I have Kubuntu running on my older XPS laptop, never tried Debian on it. -- Paul Cartwright -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CGI scripts and Busybox
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 09:28:02PM +0200, Nyizsnyik Ferenc wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:03:58 +0300 ccostin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello What is the minimal configuration for httpd.conf required by busybox httpd to run simple CGI scripts ? I believe that busybox in Etch does not support it yet. Generally busybox is a rather slow-moving package, due to its usage in the installer. Consider downloading it from source and rebuilding. It's a single binary. For this are necessary any special environment exported variables ? When I try to load simple bourne shell scripts, Iceweasel ask me to save them on disk. Command line for busybox is busybox httpd -h /var/www/ and shell scripts are contained in /var/www/cgi-bin/, and have a+x execution bits. Sounds like a problem with the content-type. Make sure you set it to text/html, like the following simple script: #!/usr/bin/bash /bin/bash fir a script? I figure busybox ash would be faster (and may even save you time on for/exec, as it's the same binary). shell scripts may be useful for trivial CGI scripts. But for anything more complicated they become rather slow. And I really don't trust them to handle input correctly. The busybox tiny unitities page recommends microperl and lua. microperl requires rebuilding perl. The result, though, is a more limited perl variant, but also considerbly smaller (e.g: 1MB vs. 5MB) and hence faster to load and requires less memory. echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n; We all love benchmarks, right? I ran the following with: bash 3.2-4 busybox1:1.10.2-1 dash 0.5.4-9 pdksh 5.2.14-23 posh 0.6.8 zsh4.3.6-4 coreutils 6.10-6 (for shells with no built-in 'echo') lua40 4.0-13 lua50 5.0.3-3 perl 5.10.0-10 python2.4 2.4.5-2 python2.5 2.5.2-6 ruby1.81.8.7-2 I ran the following several times for each shell, and the one I provide here is a typical run. There wasn't great variance anyway. bash: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do bash -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m3.220s user0m1.328s sys 0m2.036s dash: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do dash -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m1.242s user0m0.456s sys 0m0.932s posh: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do posh -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m1.378s user0m0.536s sys 0m0.916s $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do pdksh -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m1.456s user0m0.664s sys 0m0.908s zsh: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do zsh -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m3.892s user0m1.760s sys 0m2.308s busybox ash: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do busybox ash -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) reel0m1.390s user0m0.496s sys 0m1.108s rc: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do rc -c 'echo -e Content-type: text/html\n\n; echo -e Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m1.870s user0m0.808s sys 0m1.188s So larger shells take much more time to load. They make up to this if you actually use their built-in abilities wisely to save processing with external utilities. But is it worth it? So let's check some other languages: perl: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do perl -e 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m2.788s user0m1.200s sys 0m1.708s perl, loading the module CGI: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do perl -MCGI -e 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m29.725s user0m25.350s sys 0m4.616s lua40: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do lua40 -e 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m1.595s user0m0.588s sys 0m1.112s lua50: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do lua50 -e 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m2.244s user0m0.996s sys 0m1.332s ruby: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do ruby1.8 -e 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m5.979s user0m3.976s sys 0m2.212s python2.4: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do python2.4 -c 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m12.668s user0m8.245s sys 0m4.664s python2.5: $ time (for i in `seq 1000`; do python2.5 -c 'print Content-type: text/html\n\n; print Hello world.\n'; done /dev/null) real0m14.134s user0m9.609s sys 0m4.720s Note that this is a very minimal script. If it got more complicated, smarter interpeters would start showing their abilities. -- Tzafrir Cohen |
Re: POP3 server
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 02:26:37PM +0300, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote: I have used POP3 server now a few months, but I have forgot whitch one it was. :-/ How can I find out whitch server I am using? :-D Start with: netstat -lntp | grep 110 to check what process listens on port 110 . -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on laptop
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 05:54 -0700, alfa beta wrote: Dear Sirs, After spending hours of reading about the Linux distributions and compatible hardware, I feel I get crazzy. I chose you because of your Social Contract, though I'm not sure Debian is still updated, apologize, I couldn't find recent articles, I am a newbye. Question: Could you recommend me a laptop model, with all details, which works completely, or perfectly with Debian? Including audio-video hardware, and hardware for connection to Internet (I'm on cable modem, UPC is my provider). I don't need an expensive one. Perhaps an anti-glare, anti-reflex screen is needed because I'll have to read a lot. Thanks, E.S. Well, again I will say that a Dell Vostro runs Debian well. Don't know about a webcam (some models come with one). About the only issue is the sound is not very loud in Linux (but it is in Windows) but it does work. One can be had for about $500 USD up to $1800?. Battery life on my Dell Vostro 1500 (9 cell) is from 5 to 7 hours. As for your cable modem, ANY recognized ethernet card will work, your cable modem does not care about the OS. If the OS can work the ethernet card, your cable modem will work. I do not remember the last time I found an ethernet card that did not work. It has been years. I suppose you can still find one, but the odds are if you grab a box off the shelve, install Linux on it, at least the ethernet will work. HTH -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded Firefox. I would be shocked if debian put back in core functionality that mozilla took out... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fetchmail
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 07:35:59AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Jamie writes: using individual user ~/.fetchmailrc files is probably a safer and preferred way to use fetchmail. Those are not the only choices. I run Fetchmail as an unprivileged user named mailagent which then passes the mail to Mailagent (could just as well be Procmail) for local sorting and delivery. It appears that the fetchmail init script does something like this already. At least on my mail server, it is running as user 103. I'm not sure why this user doesn't have a name, but regardless, it's not a root process. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded Firefox. I would be shocked if debian put back in core functionality that mozilla took out... A I was under the impression that although Iceweasel started off as a simple rebranding project that the maintainers had greater ambitions and that they already made changes to the source that have nothing to do with the branding - am I wrong? Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote: Hi again list. I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length, Please don't do that. *You* can receive your mails in digest mode by specifying it with some command to the list server, but PLEASE don't enforce it on others. There is already an extreme waste of bandwidth by people not trimming their posts. Hi, I don't understand your complaint (maybe because I haven't used digest mode before, and don't know how it works exactly). If I send 5 separate replies instead of 1, doesn't it use up more bandwidth? ie, extra mail envelopes, headers, etc. I did make an effort to trim unrelated lines (not everyone on this thread has done that). Or are you saying I should make my posts as short as possible, even if I feel that a longer post is required to reduce ambiguity follow-up mails explaining what I really meant. At least with 1 mail you can delete/ignore it easier than 5 separate ones. Please explain in more detail why 1 longer mail is worse, or provide a link where I can read more. Thanks, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lazarus Debian
Hello! My system is Debian Etch And Half. I need to install Lazarus but there is no debian package for Etch. Can I, and if can, how can I install Lazarus on Debian Etch? I have tried to search on Google but can't find any solution. -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: 2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. well, Debian's Iceweasel is simply a rebranded Firefox. I would be shocked if debian put back in core functionality that mozilla took out... I was under the impression that although Iceweasel started off as a simple rebranding project that the maintainers had greater ambitions and that they already made changes to the source that have nothing to do with the branding - am I wrong? hmmm... I don't know that. You could be right, though a moderately quick google and reviewing the debian changelogs suggests that it is largely just rebranding. Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher users. that would be a problem. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
Peter Tynan wrote: I was under the impression that although Iceweasel started off as a simple rebranding project that the maintainers had greater ambitions and that they already made changes to the source that have nothing to do with the branding - am I wrong? So, let’s dig into our firefox_2.0~rc1+dfsg-1.diff.gz: * Changes to disable application upgrade (we want that to happen through apt-get) and change some other default preferences, * Changes to fix “make distclean” so that it really cleans the build directory, * Change not to build the “mangle” utility, * Change not to call netstat to generate entropy, which is useless on linux, * Changes to make Firefox® build and work on architectures such as hppa, mips, mips64, m68k, ia64, sparc64, alpha, and arm, which the Mozilla® guys don’t seem to care much for, * Change to add a preference directory so that users can put their set of customized preferences in /etc/firefox/pref, * Change to allow to build flat chrome without the zip utility, * Change to allow to use system library for myspell, instead of statically linking the bundled one, * Changes to allow to build s390 binaries on s390x host with s390 toolchain (same applies with x86 binaries on amd64 host with x86 toolchain), * Changes to work around bugs with the hidden visibility pragma on gcc, * Changes to make the pango backend actually build correctly, * Changes to avoid some error messages while trying to create Makefiles from inexistant Makefile.in’s, * Change to install in /usr/lib/firefox instead of /usr/lib/firefox-x.y, * Change not to build useless chromelist.txt files, * Changes to make helper applications with parameters work, * Changes to allow builds against GTK 2.8, * Changes to work around an Xrender bug, * Changes to make the Gecko/yymm string taken from preferences instead of being half-hard-coded (you could change it with preferences, but it would still be set to the hard-coded value at start time ; and you could change it again with preferences…), * Change to allow mice extra buttons to act as something else than a left button, * Change to allow to build with -Wl,–as-needed to avoid linking against a whole lot of useless libraries, without losing the link on libxpcom.so which is required by some extensions’ components, * Changes not to shlibsign the NSS modules at build time, since we’re stripping the binaries afterwards, thus breaking the signature. We do build the signatures later, within the maintainer scripts. That’s not that many changes, and most of them were taken from either some Mozilla® CVS trunk or the Mozilla® Bugzilla™. And most of those that were not taken from there have been sent, except those that really don’t make much sense outside Debian. -- Mike Hommey http://glandium.org/blog/?p=97 Overall, Ubuntu applies the same set of patches as Debian, plus some more. [...] So, while I’m at it, here is an exhaustive list of the bugs where we took or sent the patches that are applied to Iceweasel: #51429, #161826, #252033, #258429, #273524, #287150, #289394, #294879, #307168, #307418, #314927, #319012, #322806, #323114, #325148, #326245, #330628, #331781, #331785, #331818, #333289, #08, #343953, #345077, #345079, #345080, #345413. -- Mike Hommey http://glandium.org/blog/?p=99 That was two years ago, but I don't believe things have significantly changed. Simply comparing the size of the diffs suggests that the overall level of patching has decreased between 2.0 and 3.0: -rw-rw-r-- 2 dak debadmin 182K Apr 30 01:47 iceweasel_2.0.0.14-0etch1.diff.gz -rw-rw-r-- 2 dak debadmin 154K Jun 9 05:02 iceweasel_3.0~rc2-1.diff.gz You'll find much more and larger patches in things like the kernel, glibc, and OOo than you will in our forced fork of iceweasel. -rw-rw-r-- 2 dak debadmin 4.1M Jun 12 10:47 linux-2.6_2.6.25-5.diff.gz -rw-rw-r-- 2 dak debadmin 707K Jun 2 19:32 glibc_2.7-12.diff.gz -rw-rw-r-- 2 dak debadmin 82M Jun 1 17:02 openoffice.org_2.4.1~rc2-1.diff.gz -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian on laptop
Am Samstag, 14. Juni 2008 15:41 schrieb Paul Cartwright: On Sat June 14 2008, Marloque wrote: I would look into the Ubuntu laptops from Dell. If they run Ubuntu, there's a chance they'll run Debian, since Ubuntu is based off of Debian. Must my two pennies. I have Debian running on my newer Dell XPS desktop, complete with NVIDIA drivers. I have Kubuntu running on my older XPS laptop, never tried Debian on it. -- Paul Cartwright I have Debian/Etch on a Dell Latitude D 520. No Problems. The only thing that is a bit tricky is getting a picture of a video on the Beamer (clone-mode). For instance *.flv: You get the full picture on the lfp and the program-frame of the player over beamer, but not the movie. This area stays black. Same with DVDs: Here you have to choose within Kaffeine/xine/video/xshm. Don't ask me why Bernd Kloss -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
I wrote: Those are not the only choices. I run Fetchmail as an unprivileged user named mailagent which then passes the mail to Mailagent (could just as well be Procmail) for local sorting and delivery. Andrew Sackville-West writes: It appears that the fetchmail init script does something like this already. At least on my mail server, it is running as user 103. Yes, it appears that my method (which I developed before Fetchmail had a daemon mode (initial version, before Fetchmail existed)) is obsolete. I'm not sure why this user doesn't have a name, but regardless, it's not a root process. 103 should be the user fetchmail. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher users. that would be a problem. A Just to summarise the problems - Iceweasel (and FireFox) is the only integrated GUI gopher browser, most other gopher browsers just show the gopher menu tree and in some cases plain text documents with Iceweasel I can view images, html documents, flash files, sound files etc (assuming I have the appropriate plug-in) where as other gopher browsers would have to open another application, also other GUI gopher browsers have suffered from a lack of development in recent years (mainly (IMHO) because Iceweasel/FireFox did the job so well) which means they can look quite dated and lack a certain user friendliness (as far as I know the console gopher client -is the only dedicated gopher client still under active development). Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on laptop
On 14/06/2008, Marloque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would look into the Ubuntu laptops from Dell. If they run Ubuntu, there's a chance they'll run Debian, since Ubuntu is based off of Debian. I wrote a review of a Dell Ubuntu Laptop here: http://everything2.com/title/Dell+Ubuntu+Laptop HTH, - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Lenny Installer
Hello, I tried to install Debian Testing, with the current CD-Image. I have to use a braille display. With the first beta release, I could use my braille display without any problems. Now on the first console there is the message on the braille display: Screen not in text mode. Is there a new graphical installer? I started my braille display at the second console. It is an Pacmate Display. Is there a way to use the old installer or isn't there a graphical installer? Thanks Sebastian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on laptop
http://www.debian.org/misc/laptops/ may be of use. 2008/6/14 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 14/06/2008, Marloque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would look into the Ubuntu laptops from Dell. If they run Ubuntu, there's a chance they'll run Debian, since Ubuntu is based off of Debian. I wrote a review of a Dell Ubuntu Laptop here: http://everything2.com/title/Dell+Ubuntu+Laptop HTH, - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:43:19PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: 2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 04:42:08PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: Iceweasel (and FireFox) prior to version 3 despite a few bugs were the most convenient GUI gopher browser available and the loss of gopher support would be a big blow for gopher users. that would be a problem. ... Just to summarise the problems - Iceweasel (and FireFox) is the only integrated GUI gopher browser, most other gopher browsers just show the gopher menu tree and in some cases plain text documents with Iceweasel I can view images, html documents, flash files, sound files etc (assuming I have the appropriate plug-in) where as other gopher browsers would have to open another application, also other GUI gopher browsers have suffered from a lack of development in recent years (mainly (IMHO) because Iceweasel/FireFox did the job so well) which means they can look quite dated and lack a certain user friendliness (as far as I know the console gopher client -is the only dedicated gopher client still under active development). so for me, this is an interesting situation. But I don't use gopher. For you it must be downright annoying. Here's how it's interesting. Firefox provided a full-blown modern gopher browser that essentially killed the other gui gopher browsers by being vastly superior. Now firefox has dropped gopher support. I think that will do one of two things: 1) largely kill what remains of gopher, 2) spur development of gui gopher browsers that have languished. I would hope for the second option. I don't think it serves anyone to have a single dominant player for a given protocol. If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other web browsers. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
video playback and beamers (was: Debian on laptop)
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 18:27:19 +0200, Bernd Kloss wrote: [...] I have Debian/Etch on a Dell Latitude D 520. No Problems. The only thing that is a bit tricky is getting a picture of a video on the Beamer (clone-mode). For instance *.flv: You get the full picture on the lfp and the program-frame of the player over beamer, but not the movie. This area stays black. Same with DVDs: Here you have to choose within Kaffeine/xine/video/xshm. Don't ask me why AFAIK, the video overlay only works on either the LFP or the external output with most graphic cards, but not on two displays at the same time. I have often seen colleagues who use Windows run into the same problem when they want to show videos in a beamer-based presentation, so I suspect that this not a linux-specific issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_overlay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension You can use use the xvattr tool (available from debian-multimedia) to switch the video overlay to the external output. Also, switching off the internal display could be enough to bring the video output to the beamer; this may require a restart of X. Configuring your media player to use X11-XImage/Shm will allow you to see the video on both displays, but it comes at the price of higher CPU load and possibly degraded video playback quality. If you really need to have the video playing on both outputs then you can try if X11-OpenGL is better in terms of CPU load. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:25:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: Those are not the only choices. I run Fetchmail as an unprivileged user named mailagent which then passes the mail to Mailagent (could just as well be Procmail) for local sorting and delivery. Andrew Sackville-West writes: It appears that the fetchmail init script does something like this already. At least on my mail server, it is running as user 103. Yes, it appears that my method (which I developed before Fetchmail had a daemon mode (initial version, before Fetchmail existed)) is obsolete. I'm not sure why this user doesn't have a name, but regardless, it's not a root process. 103 should be the user fetchmail. yeah. I need to find out why `ps aux` shows fetchmail run by user '103' and exim run by user '101' instead of by their names... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat June 14 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: so for me, this is an interesting situation. But I don't use gopher. For you it must be downright annoying. Here's how it's interesting. Firefox provided a full-blown modern gopher browser that essentially killed the other gui gopher browsers by being vastly superior. Now firefox has dropped gopher support. I think that will do one of two things: 1) largely kill what remains of gopher, 2) spur development of gui gopher browsers that have languished. I would hope for the second option. I don't think it serves anyone to have a single dominant player for a given protocol. If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other web browsers. a blast from the past:) http://seanm.ca/mosaic/ Development of Mosaic stopped in 1996 (official date was January 7th 1997). I have updated Mosaic so it will compile on a modern Linux system. I also added support for the gopher info tag. I remember using Mosaix for gopher sites, when MY COMPANY blocked us from using http sites, but they DIDN'T block gopher... I learned how to use gopher! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
2008/6/14 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other web browsers. .02 A er... probably true but it will still be irritating when I have to switch programs just because the site I want to view is gopher (I hate having lots of windows open) - now where do I post to request that xgopher is be reinstated in the repositories :-/ Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: yeah. I need to find out why `ps aux` shows fetchmail run by user '103' and exim run by user '101' instead of by their names... I believe it has to do with the length of the name. (Even tough fetchmail does not seem very long.) Taken from http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#head-101b63e6e9bf07e1daa3a9998eb5707a0b2cea6d -- Conscience doth make cowards of us all. -- Shakespeare Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?
We are in the same position, and need a quick solution. I'm looking at Newegg's Lenovo Thinkpads (R61i and T61) at $1K and the Dell Vostro/Latitude D630 choices at the $600/850 levels. Costco has some HP's as well, roughly the same level. The $$ is fine across the board--I wanted quick feelings about the models... are thinkpads simply superior build-wise and so are the best choice, or...? I recognize that this could start a flameware--it's not the intent, though. Honest thoughts are welcome. Cheers, Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CGI scripts and Busybox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:32:19 + Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 09:28:02PM +0200, Nyizsnyik Ferenc wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:03:58 +0300 ccostin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello What is the minimal configuration for httpd.conf required by busybox httpd to run simple CGI scripts ? I believe that busybox in Etch does not support it yet. Generally busybox is a rather slow-moving package, due to its usage in the installer. Consider downloading it from source and rebuilding. It's a single binary. For this are necessary any special environment exported variables ? When I try to load simple bourne shell scripts, Iceweasel ask me to save them on disk. Command line for busybox is busybox httpd -h /var/www/ and shell scripts are contained in /var/www/cgi-bin/, and have a+x execution bits. Sounds like a problem with the content-type. Make sure you set it to text/html, like the following simple script: #!/usr/bin/bash /bin/bash fir a script? I figure busybox ash would be faster (and may even save you time on for/exec, as it's the same binary). shell scripts may be useful for trivial CGI scripts. But for anything more complicated they become rather slow. And I really don't trust them to handle input correctly. The busybox tiny unitities page recommends microperl and lua. microperl requires rebuilding perl. The result, though, is a more limited perl variant, but also considerbly smaller (e.g: 1MB vs. 5MB) and hence faster to load and requires less memory. ccostin explicitly mentioned Bourne shell scripts, that's why I used bash. Very impressive work with the benchmarks, though. -- Nyizsa. http://nyizsa.uni.cc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: POP3 server
Tero Mäntyvaara wrote: I have used POP3 server now a few months, but I have forgot whitch one it was. :-/ How can I find out whitch server I am using? :-D Is the server still configured in any application you are using? pgpEjyDvtcF40.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:32:55AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Watch out that data=journal. It is far more kernel-bug prone than data=ordered, for the simple fact that almost everyone uses data=ordered, including those who mess with the ext3 code, so bugs can hide in the data=journal code paths a lot more easily. If data=journal is subject to kernel bugs then you are saying that Linux doensn't have any filesystem suitable for non-UPS-protected systems. If the devs don't properly audit the data=journal code then they shouldn't provide it as an option in a production kernel. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install a small graphic manager
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:24:21PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:00:42PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: My smallest box is a 486 with 32MB ram with a 512 MB drive. Granted it can't run Etch anymore but it runs up-to-date xorg from OpenBSD. Why can't this box run Etch? IIRC the minimal requirements of the Debian Installer is either 32MB or 24MB (for the low memory variant). The installer needs 48 MB. I did the drive-swap juggle from another computer. It takes Etch 5 minutes to boot, and about 30 seconds from login to bash prompt. X takes about 10 minutes to start and even icewm with Xorg hits swap, and this with the vesa driver. I get good resoultion with the xf86-v3 S3 driver but v3 was removed from Etch (and Sarge). Aptitude hits swap very hard loading all the info on all the packages in main into memory and causes the box to thrash. In short, even if you get it loaded, Etch is a dog on old boxes. The box is rather zippy on OpenBSD. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:25:23AM +0200, David wrote: [...] Sort answer, read the disk-related HOWTOs and try switching to JFS. Unfortunately, experimenting with other filesystems will have to wait until I have a spare drive. I don't know of a way to convert to other filesystems on the fly :-) Also, the need to defer fsck seems like a poor reason to go through the trouble of switching my home PC's filesystem :-) There are several hard-disk HOWTOs in the doc-linux-howto packages (pick your format). Its not that hard if you have a spare partition or just good backups. Its especially easy if you're using LVM. Without LVM I admit it can be a bit of a shell-game but it only takes a few minutes once you map it out. Unless you're willing to rewrite fsck to get a defer mode, switching to a faster fs is a valid option. I disagree here. You can easily use up 300 MB on / by installing a few large packages from Debian. Or are you saying that / should contain almost nothing, and that /usr, /var/, etc should all be on separate partitions? Yes, when one says that / is 300MB, it means that /usr, /var, and /home are separate. Etch won't fit on 512MB complete yet alone having any special packages installed. Maybe if your system is extremely critical you would need to have / this way. Personally, I would like to be able to take a 500 GB drive, and put the whole filesystem on / (including /boot, and a swap file) in my home PC, and not be forced to wait for bootup fsck to scan the entire drive every X days/boot before I can use it. I don't mind if it takes an hour to scan, as long as that hour is not when I need to be actively using the PC (after I tell the machine to shut down is a good time). I would call my home computer extremely critical. I don't want some bug corrupting /usr or /var and making it so that I can't boot to fix it. With / separate and small, the chances of it getting corrupted are rather small. Doug. Also, that hour-long scan needs to be cleanly interruptible. Ctrl+C or ESC needs to do the right thing. David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange directory in home
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 13:48:59 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Lately,I've been noticing a strange directory popping up in my home directory. It's called file: and has subdirectories of home , home/frank , and Desktop with Desktop empty. I have deleted it several times but it keeps re-appearing. Can anyone explain this ? The name file: reminds me of how file managers sometimes refer to local files in their address/location bar. Some application might misunderstand expressions such as file:///home/frank/Desktop and therefore create spurious directories and files in your home directory. You could try to catch processes that access these directories/files with lsof or fuser, maybe in combination with inotify-wait (package inotify-tools). -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
Hi list. For those interested, I've filed 2 wishlist bugs against the BTS: sysvinit: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486258 e2fsprogs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486261 David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Sat June 14 2008 11:24:06 Kenward Vaughan wrote: We are in the same position, and need a quick solution. I'm looking at Newegg's Lenovo Thinkpads (R61i and T61) at $1K and the Dell Vostro/Latitude D630 choices at the $600/850 levels. Costco has some HP's as well, roughly the same level. The $$ is fine across the board--I wanted quick feelings about the models... are thinkpads simply superior build-wise and so are the best choice, or...? I recognize that this could start a flameware--it's not the intent, though. Honest thoughts are welcome. Thinkpads are just wonderful. However to use the NVidia you'll need either Testing or a mix of Unstable and Testing, either of which entails an awful lot of volatility. FWIW, Fedora 9 Gnome works fine on the T61, but use Fedora 8 if you prefer KDE. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 11:24 -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote: We are in the same position, and need a quick solution. I'm looking at Newegg's Lenovo Thinkpads (R61i and T61) at $1K and the Dell Vostro/Latitude D630 choices at the $600/850 levels. Costco has some HP's as well, roughly the same level. The $$ is fine across the board--I wanted quick feelings about the models... are thinkpads simply superior build-wise and so are the best choice, or...? I recognize that this could start a flameware--it's not the intent, though. Honest thoughts are welcome. Cheers, Kenward -- IMHO, thinkpads have a long history of supporting linux (or rather that linux works on them) and many really like it. OTOH, the Vostro is also a box fully supported (watch what wireless you get) and the Latitude is of similar build, but beefer. I do not think any of these three are bad choices. I have never owned a thinkpad and would not due to the owners of the company. This is a personal choice and you are free to disagree with that stance, but it does support the use of linux. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Strange directory in home
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:49:22 +0200 Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 13:48:59 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Lately,I've been noticing a strange directory popping up in my home directory. It's called file: and has subdirectories of home , home/frank , and Desktop with Desktop empty. I have deleted it several times but it keeps re-appearing. The name file: reminds me of how file managers sometimes refer to local files in their address/location bar. Some application might misunderstand expressions such as file:///home/frank/Desktop and therefore create spurious directories and files in your home directory. You could try to catch processes that access these directories/files with lsof or fuser, maybe in combination with inotify-wait (package inotify-tools). I'll install those packages...and we'll see what happens. My curiosity is up :) - -- Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhUIaQACgkQnQV1aTcQlJukrACeIc1M6uWzdhUT7JDl1EvTPrOX pRMAnjv7j6yiXWSWjdCADNuGQUDYsIMF =y9jx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
If the gopher protocol still has life in it (and I gather that it does), then the community will be better served by having motivation to pick up development of the other browsers, or perhaps incorporate better gopher support into the other web browsers. Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? -- Regards Koh Choon Lin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange directory in home
On Sat June 14 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote: Can anyone explain this ? The name file: reminds me of how file managers sometimes refer to local files in their address/location bar. Some application might misunderstand expressions such as file:///home/frank/Desktop and therefore create spurious directories and files in your home directory. You could try to catch processes that access these directories/files with lsof or fuser, maybe in combination with inotify-wait (package inotify-tools). and if there was nothing after the file, the filename might be hidden characters or A SPACE.. you might try : $ cd $ls -la ? like I did here. What I did was create a file called 1 . The wild card ? would find it,and any filename that was 1 character, including a space # ls -la ? ls: cannot access ?: No such file or directory paulandcilla:/etc/udev/rules.d# 1 paulandcilla:/etc/udev/rules.d# ls -la ? -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-06-14 15:56 1 paulandcilla:/etc/udev/rules.d# -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard Network Driver Availiable? Hardware compatibility with Debian?
Greetings I own a PC with an Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard and I am trying to install Debian OS on it. I can't find the driver to configure the Ethernet Network port. I need it so I can continue the OS installation over the Internet and be able to use Internet later on. Is there a driver appropriate? If yes, can you help me by providing it? I thank you in advance.
Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard Network Driver Availiable? Hardware compatibility with Debian?
Greetings I own a PC with an Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard and I am trying to install Debian OS on it. I can't find the driver to configure the Ethernet Network port. I need it so I can continue the OS installation over the Internet and be able to use Internet later on. Is there a driver appropriate? If yes, can you help me by providing it? I thank you in advance.
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 01:31:07PM +0100, Peter Tynan wrote: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. Any extension to add support for this protocol? E.g. http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/ . -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] yeah. I need to find out why `ps aux` shows fetchmail run by user '103' and exim run by user '101' instead of by their names... A Their names are longer than 8 characters. -- James Richardson James Richardson Technology Consulting http://www.jamesr.biz signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:38:19PM +0200, David wrote: This isn't a solution for me. I want fsck to run regularly, Why? -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard Network Driver Availiable? Hardware compatibility with Debian?
On Saturday 14 June 2008 17:13, Odisseas-Nearxos Pasipoularidis wrote: Greetings I own a PC with an Asus P5E-VM DO Motherboard and I am trying to install Debian OS on it. I can't find the driver to configure the Ethernet Network port. I need it so I can continue the OS installation over the Internet and be able to use Internet later on. I'm assuming you're installing etch, or the current stable? There are a few options. Firstly, consider installing lenny aka testing. Secondly, consider slapping a cheap third-party ethernet card in there for which the kernel has drivers. If you have some requirement to use etch and the stock device (This happens to me from time to time -- corporate policy forbids testing, and the device is a rackmount box with no room for extra cards...), you're not dead, there are still options: Check the CD that came with the board, if you have it, it may have drivers on it. You may have to compile the driver, if they only provide source code. ASUS claims to have downloadable Linux drivers for this board. Start from: http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us, and use the widget on the left of that page to select the board model in the top text field and Drivers in the bottom one, and then go. The Linux drivers are near the bottom of the list of downloadable items. If that fails, ASUS's specificaton page http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1849l1=3l2=11l3=571l4=0 says that the LAN adapter is an Intel 82566DM PCIe Gigabit LAN controller, so drivers may be available from Intel. Of course, you can't download anything onto this machine itself, because it's network device doesn't work. There are two ways around this chicken-and-egg problem that I'm aware of: (1) Download all the module-development packages directly from Debian, and manually install them on the system. You need gcc and its dependencies, and the header package matching the installation kernel and its dependencies. With the current net-install CD, this is linux-headers-2.6.18-5-arch, where arch is 686 or amd64. (2) Build the module on a different machine with the same architecture, and install it manually. Remember to run depmod and rebuild the initramfs when you install the module. I usually do (2), although I also have a USB stick with all the stuff for (1) on it. It looks a bit complicated when it's all written down like that, but it's actually not so bad. Probably lenny or a 3rd-party network card are your answer anyways. -- A. -- Andrew Reid / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
On Saturday 14 June 2008 12:43, Peter Tynan wrote: Just to summarise the problems - Iceweasel (and FireFox) is the only integrated GUI gopher browser, most other gopher browsers just show the gopher menu tree and in some cases plain text documents with Iceweasel I can view images, html documents, flash files, sound files etc (assuming I have the appropriate plug-in) where as other gopher browsers would have to open another application, also other GUI gopher browsers have suffered from a lack of development in recent years (mainly (IMHO) because Iceweasel/FireFox did the job so well) which means they can look quite dated and lack a certain user friendliness (as far as I know the console gopher client -is the only dedicated gopher client still under active development). I was looking for gopher sites to try out in response to this, and ran into this, which may be of interest: http://www.tekeeze.com/fun-sites/7-fun-sites-you-can-only-find-on-the-gopher-internet Evidently the gopher-internet is not at all dead. A little googling reveals that there's a kio tool for konqueror that's supposed to do gopher, it might be worthwhile to file a feature-request on the KDE bug tracker for this. -- A. -- Andrew Reid / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
Peter writes: I noted from a recent discussion on this list that iceweasel 3.0-rc2 has been made available in Sid and I was wondering what the plans are for support of the gopher protocol in Iceweasel 3? I ask this because support for the gopher protocol has been pulled from the core of FireFox 3 and I was hoping that Debian are not going to make the same (IMHO) mistake. Iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 still seems to support Gopher. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
2008/6/14 Andrew Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Evidently the gopher-internet is not at all dead. It's alive a kicking with active development of several gopher servers (including pygopherd in the Debian repositories), on the client side there is the console client under active development and as previously mentioned by Tzafrir Cohen there is the Overbite project which has along term aim of providing a cross platform GUI gopher browser using Adobe's AIR platform but which after the Mozilla people brought forward the planned pulling of gopher support for FireFox from FireFox 4 to version 3 has been on a short term work frenzy to put together a gopher plug-in for FireFox. I've not mentioned the Overbite project before now as I promised Cameron Kaiser that I would keep quiet until the official launch on June 18th and I'm still reluctant to talk about it even though some else has already posted about it here, suffice to say that it is a big improvement over the standard gopher rendering engine in FireFox/Iceweasel 2 - in that it looks prettier and fixes the bug which prevents FireFox/Iceweasel showing gopher sites that are not on port 70 and that if if gopher support is to be retained in the core of Iceweasel 3 the overbite engine is probably the one they should use. NB: There is a gopher search engine over at floodgap gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/ and for the gopher challenged http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
2008/6/14 Koh Choon Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? I'd suggest reading gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/0/gopher/relevance.txt for a full answer. I think advantage is probably the wrong word it's an alternative, an example of the type of feature that makes it distinct from other protocols would be it's inherently structured menu driven hierarchical nature, then there is the fact that it doesn't need much system power to run - either from the server or from the client and it is I believe somewhat less of a bandwidth hog than http. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
2008/6/15 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 still seems to support Gopher. It was in the early RC's of FireFox as well, as I understand it the final decision to pull it from FF3 was taken quite late in the day. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iceweasel 3 and gopher?
Koh Choon Lin writes: Just curious, what advantage does Gopher offers over other protocols? The very fact that almost no one uses it can be an advantage. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Lenny Installer
Hi, On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 07:10:10PM +0200, Sebastian Humenda wrote: Hello, I tried to install Debian Testing, with the current CD-Image. I have to use a braille display. With the first beta release, I could use my braille display without any problems. Now on the first console there is the message on the braille display: Screen not in text mode. Is there a new graphical installer? I guess. There have been activity. (I am not so current on d-i) Here is how I found out... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2008/20080609 Installer images for i386 and amd64 have a new boot menu using syslinux's vesamenu. This allows for a more user-friendly selection of for example the regular or graphical installer. For the multi-architecture CD/DVD images this change means the 64-bits version of the installer needs to be selected manually from the menu. See the Installation Guide for details on how to use the new menu. and links to: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-screen To bypass the graphical boot screen you can either blindly press Esc to get a text boot prompt, or (equally blindly) press “H” followed by Enter to select the “Help” option described above. After that your keystrokes should be echoed at the prompt. To prevent the installer from using the framebuffer for the rest of the installation, you will also want to add fb=false to the boot prompt, as described in the help text. I started my braille display at the second console. It is an Pacmate Display. Is there a way to use the old installer or isn't there a graphical installer? You can always use stable install system to install minimum system. Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list with somethhing like s/stable/testing/g. Then use dist-upgrade. For installer bug report/feature discussion, you will be better off using [EMAIL PROTECTED] or BTS. I think Debian is one of few distributiond which care about braille display and its installer. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
David wrote: Here is a summary of my PC usage: 1) Turn on home PC briefly to check e-mail etc, before going to work, then shut down. 2) Back from work, turn it on for the evening, and off again before going to bed. The PC is near my bed, I don't like to have the noisy fans etc going while I'm trying to sleep :-) And I don't see the point of leaving it on for 9+ hours while I'm not at home. I don't know if that is the full extent of your computer usage (i.e., getting on the internet to check mail quickly) when being interrupted by fsck. If that is all you need, and if you might be in the market for a new mother board in the near future, then you might want to consider getting one of the new ASUS boards with a Splashtop BIOS. There's more info on the company's website: http://www.splashtop.com/ In a nut shell, you'll be able to boot into a Linux based BIOS with a slimmed down version of Firefox. Perfect for checking a quick email or other internet related info. I'm currently looking at this board which is available now from Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making bootup fsck more user-friendly
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:00:08PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:38:19PM +0200, David wrote: This isn't a solution for me. I want fsck to run regularly, Why? Why not just run fsck manually (i.e. shutdown -RF now) whenever you want. If you do it frequently enough, you'll never hit the automatic checking counter: you'll only get caught if you forget. Set up cron to send you an email reminder every week or something. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
