Re: seg fault Firefox

[Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso]

On 24/06/2008, Mumia W.. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > On 06/24/2008 03:40 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
 >
 > > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 13:11 -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
 > >
 > > > when ever I run firefox (aka iceweasle, how stupid is that!)
 > > >
 > >
 > > Not particularly.  The choice there was:
 > >
 > > 1) Redistribute Firefox without the trademarks.
 > > 2) Not distribute Firefox at all.
 > >
 > > Which would you rather have?
 > >
 > >
 >
 >  Wasn't there another option?
 >
 >  3) Keep the Firefox trademarks and put the browser into non-free.


Ugh. I prefer the Iceweasel route. I like having it on the install CDs.

 By the way, one thing I don't understand is why Ubuntu still uses the
 Firefox logo and branding, especially regarding Mike Connor's comment
 that

 I have actually been asked recently by another distro
 maintainer whether everyone is on a fair playing field.  Right now, it
 seems to others as if Debian has a special deal, which isn't fair, and
 it needs to change.

 regarding why Debian was still using the Firefox name. Now it seems to
 me that Ubuntu has that special deal. Whenever I ask about, it seems
 that nobody knows, and makes me think that Shuttleworth must have
 signed off some secret deal with Mozilla in order to be allowed to
 keep using the logo and name, even though their Firefox is even more
 heavily modified than Debian's!

 Please correct me if I'm wrong about these observations.

 - Jordi G. H.


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Re: seg fault Firefox

[Mumia W..]

On 06/24/2008 03:40 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:

On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 13:11 -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:

when ever I run firefox (aka iceweasle, how stupid is that!)


Not particularly.  The choice there was:

1) Redistribute Firefox without the trademarks.
2) Not distribute Firefox at all.

Which would you rather have?



Wasn't there another option?

3) Keep the Firefox trademarks and put the browser into non-free.

After all, wasn't the closed-source Netscape 4.77 once distributed with 
Debian Potato?





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Re: ntp not any more supported in Debian or did I miss something?

[Rick Thomas]

On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Mike Bird wrote:


On Tue June 24 2008 15:46:17 Rick Thomas wrote:

Which is fine, except that I need it for powerpc...

On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:10 AM, Mike Bird wrote:

On Mon June 23 2008 22:27:50 Rick Thomas wrote:
So, if I *must* have ntp from ntp.org on my Lenny system, is  
there a

place I can get a working ".deb"?  Can it be put in "non-free"?


It's still available in Sid.  You can either mess with apt's sources
or preferences, or just wget the following and "dpkg -i" it:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.4p4
+dfsg-6_i386.deb


Top posteth not, and be after trying this (slightly older version):

http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/04/30/debian/pool/main/n/ 
ntp/ntp_4.2.4p4+dfsg-3_powerpc.deb


--Mike Bird


Sorry about the top post.  The Debian lists are an oddity in the  
circles I normally run around.


And Thanks! for the pointer.

Question still stands, of course, is ntp from ntp.org planned to be  
in Lenny when it's finally released?


Enjoy!


Rick


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Re: cd burning not going well

[tyler]

"Michael Marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:21 PM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I ran both the k3b verification and the Xubuntu integrity check on each
>> of the first 6 failed burns, and since they all failed both tests I
>> assumed the k3b test was enough to indicate a disk was bad. But
>> apparently not. Now I just have to sift through the next ten disks to
>> see how many of them are usable. At least one is. Does anybody know what
>> the k3b verification is actually verifying?
>
> /bin/false?
>

Possibly. I'll try again after I've replaced /bin/false with symlink to
/bin/true and see if anything improves ;)

Tyler

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Re: An inquiry

[Stephen Mazurek]

[I am writing in plain text.  I hope that eliminates the HTML. If not,
then I'm not sure I know how google formats gmail.]

 Output of lsmod | grep snd
snd_intel8x0   32316  1
snd_pcm_oss39456  0
snd_mixer_oss  15584  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_intel8x0m  16844  0
snd_ac97_codec 93220  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_intel8x0m
ac97_bus2432  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm72612  4
snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer  21284  1 snd_pcm
snd48548  9
snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore   7680  1 snd
snd_page_alloc 10248  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_intel8x0m,snd_pcm

Output of  cat  /dev/snd/stat   No such file or directory.

Output of  cat /proc/asound/cards

0 [I82801DBICH4   ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
  Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981B at irq 11
 1 [Modem  ]: ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem
  Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem at irq 11

Playback device is default
Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels
Sine wave rate is 440.Hz
Rate set to 48000Hz (requested 48000Hz)
Buffer size range from 2048 to 16384
Period size range from 1024 to 1024
Using max buffer size 16384
Periods = 4
was set period_size = 1024
was set buffer_size = 16384
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.665516
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986804
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986816
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986810
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986810
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986807
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986810
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986809
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986805
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986808
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986805
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986815
 0 - Front Left
Time per period = 2.986807
 0 - Front Left

So speaker-test gave not sound.  I'd suspect that there should be a
/dev/snd/stat for the sound to work.  Thanks for these tests.  I have
my Linux books back on the shelf
but they are not too helpful with sound.

--Steve

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Florian Kulzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [ Please try to turn off the HTML part of your messages. ]
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 16:46:43 -0700, Stephen Mazurek wrote:
> > Is ALSA broken in Debian etchnhalf (linux-image 2.6.22-4-686)? I am using a
> > ThinkpadT42 with an Intel audio controller 82801DB/DBL/DBM
> > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01).  The audio worked in
> > the past, but I don't use audio that often and I don't remember if upgrading
> > to etchnhalf shut it down, or if my installing drivers and firmware for
> > wireless controller ipw2100.  Perhaps it's something else.  I've googled
> > around a bit and it looks as if ALSA may not  yet be functioning for
> > etchnhalf.  Any information, please?  Thanks.
>
> Let's have a look at what is going on. Please post the output of the
> following commands:
>
> lsmod | grep snd
>
> cat /dev/sndstat
>
> cat /proc/asound/cards
>
> speaker-test -t sine
>
> (The last command should put a simple sine-wave signal to your speakers
> or headphones. I would like to know if it works and if you get any error
> messages, such as "device or resource busy".)
>
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Removing selected items from forms in FF

[Marc Shapiro]

Is there any way to remove selected items from being remembered when 
filling out forms?  There have been times when I have mistyped an entry 
and now, whenever I start to fill in that field, I get the incorrect 
entries, along with the correct ones.  It makes it harder to select the 
right entry from the list.  Is there any way to leave some entries, 
while removing others?


I would think it would be in ~/.mozilla/firefox/default/formhistoy.dat, 
but if it is, it is not in any form that I could extract what I want to 
remove.


Does anyone know if it is even possible to do what I want?

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Re: Closing laptop without suspending

[Marc Shapiro]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

Dotan Cohen wrote:

  

My Dell Inspiron laptop running KDE suspends to RAM automatically when
I close the lid. Usually, this is the behaviour that I want. However,
sometimes I need to walk from place to place with the machine and I'd
like to close the lid without suspending. Is there a script that I can
run to tell the computer not to suspend in response to ACPI events (or
more specifically, the lid switch) for the next 60 seconds? Thanks in
advance.




I do not know the solution to your problem.

But first of all is it advisable to move a computer while it is running? You
can induce a lot of vibration into the electrical/mechanical components
(hard drive failure comes to my mind) while walking. I would not do that if
I were you.

raju
  
I, too, am interested in the answer, if there is one.  I am thinking of 
using the Asus eee (read "no hard drive") for processing in a robot.  It 
seems to me that if the robot is moving there is less likely to be a 
problem if the lid is shut, than if it is open and able to wobble about.


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Re: cd burning not going well

[David Fox]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:35 AM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but
> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO

Since you've already verified the ISOs with md5sum, then something may
be awry with either K3B or the tools that it uses to do the job. I
almost never had verification issues such as you describe with lenny
on even dodgy hardware (i.e., my old 32-bit box and a nec dvd-rw,
using K3B on 32-bit lenny. Considering that the drive had problems
reading DVDs, it seems that the CD part at least worked well enough to
get verifiable images burned to CD.

Now that I have a new 64-bit box, I'm running Hardy Heron 8.04 and I
get the same symptoms you describe - on many images, k3b says that the
verification step failed.

But this is on new media, new hardware - including a brand new Pioneer
SATA dvd-rw drive.


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Re: cd burning not going well

[Michael Marsh]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:21 PM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I ran both the k3b verification and the Xubuntu integrity check on each
> of the first 6 failed burns, and since they all failed both tests I
> assumed the k3b test was enough to indicate a disk was bad. But
> apparently not. Now I just have to sift through the next ten disks to
> see how many of them are usable. At least one is. Does anybody know what
> the k3b verification is actually verifying?

/bin/false?

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ps2pdf problem on sid

[Manu Hack]

Hi all,

I'm running sid on two different machines.  I just update/upgrade both
machines.  However, I can run ps2pdf successful on one, but get error on the
other.  The error I get is

$ ps2pdf gpcard.ps
Unrecoverable error: typecheck in readonly
Operand stack:
_cjkv_base_util  --nostringval--  0

The file I used is http://www.gnuplot.info/docs_4.0/gpcard.ps.gz

Thanks a lot.

Re: seg fault Firefox

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Tuesday 24 June 2008 05:08:23 pm Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > when ever I run firefox (aka iceweasle, how stupid is that!) I get a seg
> > fault.
> >
> > ==> messages <==
> > Jun 24 13:08:03 dam-main kernel: [59583.098628] firefox-bin[3836]:
> > segfault at 7fc9a0d0d21b ip 7fc9a2136160 sp 7fffaad49d70 error 4 in
> > libc-2.7.so[7fc9a20c2000+14a000]
> >
> > and iceweasle opens as I would expect and everything works.  I only know
> > about the segfault because I am monitoring messages.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> What happens if you run iceweasel -safe-mode? If it works, then the problem
> is in one of your extensions.
>
> raju
> --
> Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
> http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/
> http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/

Works fine in -safe-mode.  I will now uninstall my extensions and add them one 
by one.  Thanks!

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Re: cd burning not going well

[tyler]

Bob Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 15:35:00 -0300, tyler
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but
>> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO
>> when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they
>> get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in
>> 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just
>> hangs.
>> 
>> As I've said, I've tried multiple computers, OS, media, burning
>> programs, downloaded images (Ubuntu as well as Xubuntu). Does anyone
>> have any other suggestions for burning a CD? This makes no sense to me.
>
> Having never tried Xubuntu, I thought I would give it a go and see if I
> could reproduce any of the above.  I guessed you were using a Canadian
> mirror site so I tried downloading xubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso from
> http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/
>
> Using K3b it burnt it ok, but failed verification just as you say.  On
> the other hand, this is the first time I have ever ticked the
> 'verification' box so do not know if this is a frequent problem or a K3b
> oddity.
>
> However the resulting CD worked perfectly; the 'check CD integrity'
> test, which you mentioned, passed ok and Xubuntu appears to be running
> perfectly, so really none of this is of much use.  

More useful than you'd think! I grabbed one of the growing pile of CDs
that failed k3b's 'verification', and sure enough it passed its own
'integrity check' and now appears to be running just fine.

I ran both the k3b verification and the Xubuntu integrity check on each
of the first 6 failed burns, and since they all failed both tests I
assumed the k3b test was enough to indicate a disk was bad. But
apparently not. Now I just have to sift through the next ten disks to
see how many of them are usable. At least one is. Does anybody know what
the k3b verification is actually verifying?

Cheers,

Tyler


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Re: cd burning not going well

[H.S.]

tyler wrote:



I've just tried updating to the latest (testing) version of k3b, 1.0.5,
and I burnt another coaster.

This is very frustrating.

Any other suggestions?


May be a defective CD writer? When was the last time you burned a disc 
and it went okay? One way to verify this is to burn the same data on a 
CD using a different writer.


->HS



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Re: ntp not any more supported in Debian or did I miss something?

[Mike Bird]

On Tue June 24 2008 15:46:17 Rick Thomas wrote:
> Which is fine, except that I need it for powerpc...
>
> On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:10 AM, Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Mon June 23 2008 22:27:50 Rick Thomas wrote:
> >> So, if I *must* have ntp from ntp.org on my Lenny system, is there a
> >> place I can get a working ".deb"?  Can it be put in "non-free"?
> >
> > It's still available in Sid.  You can either mess with apt's sources
> > or preferences, or just wget the following and "dpkg -i" it:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.4p4
> > +dfsg-6_i386.deb

Top posteth not, and be after trying this (slightly older version):

http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/04/30/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.4p4+dfsg-3_powerpc.deb

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Re: cd burning not going well

[tyler]

"Michael Marsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:41 PM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have tried downloading on three different machines. I just now tried
>> to burn the LinuxMint CD, which failed with the same error.
>
> Have you tried running isovfy (from genisoimages) on the isos?  

I have now, no problems detected.

> Other things that come to mind are bad CDs

I've tried three or four different brands, including some newly
purchased and used the same day.

>  or neglecting to finalize the CDs.

How do you finalize a CD? If I use K3B, there's no option anywhere
that I can find that refers to finalize, so I've been assuming that it
handles this automatically.

> The latter seems unlikely, given the number of different
> tools you've tried, but could the discs have been left somewhere too
> hot at some point?

No, most of these are brand new disks. Already five today.

I've just tried updating to the latest (testing) version of k3b, 1.0.5,
and I burnt another coaster.

This is very frustrating.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Tyler

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Re: ntp not any more supported in Debian or did I miss something?

[Rick Thomas]

Which is fine, except that I need it for powerpc...


Rick

On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:10 AM, Mike Bird wrote:

On Mon June 23 2008 22:27:50 Rick Thomas wrote:

So, if I *must* have ntp from ntp.org on my Lenny system, is there a
place I can get a working ".deb"?  Can it be put in "non-free"?


It's still available in Sid.  You can either mess with apt's sources
or preferences, or just wget the following and "dpkg -i" it:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.4p4 
+dfsg-6_i386.deb


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Re: Alternative for fetchmail

[oneman]

On 24-jun-2008, at 23:43, Tero Mäntyvaara wrote:


What are the alternatives for fetchmail?



getmail comes to mind.

http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/



peter

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Re: Alternative for fetchmail

[Michael Pobega]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:43:35AM +0300, Tero M?ntyvaara wrote:
> What are the alternatives for fetchmail?
>
>
> Tero M?ntyvaara
>
>

Getmail is pretty good, it's a bit slower than fetchmail but it works.

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Re: cd burning not going well

[Bob Cox]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 15:35:00 -0300, tyler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

> I'm trying to burn a copy of Xubuntu as a rescue disk. My laptop
> (Thinkpad R60) is running Lenny, with KB3 installed. I also have access
> to a variety of machines running Windows. I have tried no less than a
> dozen times to burn this @#$% CD, and every time has failed. I have
> tried the following:
> 
> Different downloaded image files (all pass md5sum checks)
> Different machines/cd burners/OS (windows/debian)
> Different CD media - HP, Sony, Memorex, no-name, mostly CD-R but a few
>   CD-RW
> Different burn speeds - usually the lowest possible for a given CD, but
>   also medium and top speed.
> Different burning programs (KB3, command line, various MSWindows apps)
> 
> 
> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but
> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO
> when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they
> get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in
> 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just
> hangs.
> 
> As I've said, I've tried multiple computers, OS, media, burning
> programs, downloaded images (Ubuntu as well as Xubuntu). Does anyone
> have any other suggestions for burning a CD? This makes no sense to me.

Having never tried Xubuntu, I thought I would give it a go and see if I
could reproduce any of the above.  I guessed you were using a Canadian
mirror site so I tried downloading xubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso from
http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/

Using K3b it burnt it ok, but failed verification just as you say.  On
the other hand, this is the first time I have ever ticked the
'verification' box so do not know if this is a frequent problem or a K3b
oddity.

However the resulting CD worked perfectly; the 'check CD integrity'
test, which you mentioned, passed ok and Xubuntu appears to be running
perfectly, so really none of this is of much use.  Sorry - and good
luck.

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Alternative for fetchmail

[Tero Mäntyvaara]

What are the alternatives for fetchmail?


Tero Mäntyvaara


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Re: Wacom and WINE

[Mark Grieveson]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:21:19 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello. I am new to Linux, and I wish to use my Bamboo Tablet in Linux
> and have WINE set up for quick access to Windows. However, I can't
> really make heads or tails of the instructions. Any help would be
> appreciated.

Search synaptic (or aptitude, if you prefer) for wacom (for your
Bamboo Tablet). Install these programs. Read documentation
at /usr/share/doc.  

Three packages that seem to apply, when I did a search, were
wacom-kernel-source, wacom-tools, and xserver-xorg-input-wacom.  

Good luck.

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Re: Closing laptop without suspending

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/24 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I do not know the solution to your problem.
>
> But first of all is it advisable to move a computer while it is running? You
> can induce a lot of vibration into the electrical/mechanical components
> (hard drive failure comes to my mind) while walking. I would not do that if
> I were you.
>

That is a good point. In any case, the thermal vents on this
particular machine are not covered when the lid is closed. Regarding
the hard drive, I do not think that there is a breaking mechanism for
stopping the drive when the machine suspends, so at 7200 RPM even
after waiting a full minute after suspend the disk is likely still
spinning at a resectable speed.

Can anyone shed more light on the subject?

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: seg fault Firefox

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:

> when ever I run firefox (aka iceweasle, how stupid is that!) I get a seg
> fault.
> 
> ==> messages <==
> Jun 24 13:08:03 dam-main kernel: [59583.098628] firefox-bin[3836]:
> segfault at 7fc9a0d0d21b ip 7fc9a2136160 sp 7fffaad49d70 error 4 in
> libc-2.7.so[7fc9a20c2000+14a000]
> 
> and iceweasle opens as I would expect and everything works.  I only know
> about the segfault because I am monitoring messages.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

What happens if you run iceweasel -safe-mode? If it works, then the problem
is in one of your extensions.

raju
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Re: cd burning not going well

[Michael Marsh]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:41 PM, tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have tried downloading on three different machines. I just now tried
> to burn the LinuxMint CD, which failed with the same error.

Have you tried running isovfy (from genisoimages) on the isos?  Other
things that come to mind are bad CDs or neglecting to finalize the
CDs.  The latter seems unlikely, given the number of different tools
you've tried, but could the discs have been left somewhere too hot at
some point?

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Re: seg fault Firefox

[Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso]

On 24/06/2008, Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when ever I run [firesomething] I get a segfault.

Strange, I've gotten segfaults too, but it doesn't seem to affect anything.

- Jordi G. H.


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Re: Closing laptop without suspending

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> My Dell Inspiron laptop running KDE suspends to RAM automatically when
> I close the lid. Usually, this is the behaviour that I want. However,
> sometimes I need to walk from place to place with the machine and I'd
> like to close the lid without suspending. Is there a script that I can
> run to tell the computer not to suspend in response to ACPI events (or
> more specifically, the lid switch) for the next 60 seconds? Thanks in
> advance.
> 

I do not know the solution to your problem.

But first of all is it advisable to move a computer while it is running? You
can induce a lot of vibration into the electrical/mechanical components
(hard drive failure comes to my mind) while walking. I would not do that if
I were you.

raju
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Re: cd burning not going well

[tyler]

"Patrick A. Ouellette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:35:00PM -0300, tyler wrote:
>> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but
>> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO
>> when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they
>> get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in
>> 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just
>> hangs.
>> 
>
> Sounds like data corruption somewhere.  Have you tried downloading by a
> different machine (despite the good MD5sum)?  Can you sucessfully burn
> a different CD?
>

I have tried downloading on three different machines. I just now tried
to burn the LinuxMint CD, which failed with the same error.

Tyler

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Re: seg fault Firefox

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 13:11 -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> when ever I run firefox (aka iceweasle, how stupid is that!)

Not particularly.  The choice there was:

1) Redistribute Firefox without the trademarks.
2) Not distribute Firefox at all.

Which would you rather have?

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Re: ntp not any more supported in Debian or did I miss something?

[Rick Thomas]

So, if I understand correctly, on or about June 28, the version in  
Sid will migrate to Lenny. And this version has the bug fixed?


Is that correct?

Thanks!

Rick


On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:59:14AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
If it's in Sid, what are the plans for getting it into Lenny- 
final?  As it

stands, I can't use Lenny until this is fixed.


http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ntp

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Re: git-core 1.1.5.6-1 (i386) not making it to sid

[Eugene V. Lyubimkin]

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Alan Chandler wrote:
> There seems to be in situation in which git-core is not updating into 
> sid, but gitk and friends have. The net result is I am without gitk at 
> the moment (it has removed itself because of broken dependences)
> 
> 
> I tried looking at the developers page for the package and from there it 
> looks like it should have gone into sid last Thursday.
> 
> Why do I not see it from within aptitude.  Am I misreading this page
Here this page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/git-core.html

Please file a bug (if it is not filed yet) and install git-core and gitk from
/var/cache/apt/archives. Or from snapshot.debian.org.

One question, anyway: what was the reason to do the upgrade with deleting 
working
packages? Why not stay will your local machine versions until maintainers had 
fixed this
issue?

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Re: git-core 1.1.5.6-1 (i386) not making it to sid

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-06-24 22:14 +0200, Alan Chandler wrote:

> There seems to be in situation in which git-core is not updating into 
> sid, but gitk and friends have. The net result is I am without gitk at 
> the moment (it has removed itself because of broken dependences)

No, it had not removed itself -- _you_ did remove it, probably by
dist-upgrading.  Usually the better solution is to keep the current
version until all relevant packages are built.

> I tried looking at the developers page for the package and from there it 
> looks like it should have gone into sid last Thursday.

The problem is that gitk is arch:all, but git-core is arch:any and the
i386 binary has not been uploaded yet.

> Why do I not see it from within aptitude.  Am I misreading this page

No, it is correct, you can find information on [1] and [2].  The i386
binary had been built five days ago, but not been uploaded yet.

Consider contacting the buildd maintainer at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sven


[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/git-core.html
[2] http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=git-core


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Re: git-core 1.1.5.6-1 (i386) not making it to sid

[David]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Alan Chandler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There seems to be in situation in which git-core is not updating into
> sid, but gitk and friends have. The net result is I am without gitk at
> the moment (it has removed itself because of broken dependences)
>
>
> I tried looking at the developers page for the package and from there it
> looks like it should have gone into sid last Thursday.
>
> Why do I not see it from within aptitude.  Am I misreading this page
> --

I have seen this too, with apt-get (gitk not happy with git-core
version). I'm using gitk from testing until the the sid dependencies
are fixed.


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git-core 1.1.5.6-1 (i386) not making it to sid

[Alan Chandler]

There seems to be in situation in which git-core is not updating into 
sid, but gitk and friends have. The net result is I am without gitk at 
the moment (it has removed itself because of broken dependences)


I tried looking at the developers page for the package and from there it 
looks like it should have gone into sid last Thursday.

Why do I not see it from within aptitude.  Am I misreading this page
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Closing laptop without suspending

[Dotan Cohen]

My Dell Inspiron laptop running KDE suspends to RAM automatically when
I close the lid. Usually, this is the behaviour that I want. However,
sometimes I need to walk from place to place with the machine and I'd
like to close the lid without suspending. Is there a script that I can
run to tell the computer not to suspend in response to ACPI events (or
more specifically, the lid switch) for the next 60 seconds? Thanks in
advance.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Root sending messages to users

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/24 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> You're that machine's god.  That machine's users(! you, her, and root)
>>> need their god to do the right thing.
>>
>> When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their
>> neighbors in my name, I'll set up my own account. That's how it works,
>> no?
>
> That's just stupid.
>

You're right. Rereading that, I'm embarrassed that I wrote it. That's
what happens when /. is open in one tab and Gmail in the other. Our
neighbors are still firing rockets at our villages despite the 'cease
fire' and it's a subject that was on my mind. I apologize.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: cd burning not going well

[Patrick A. Ouellette]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:35:00PM -0300, tyler wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to burn a copy of Xubuntu as a rescue disk. My laptop
> (Thinkpad R60) is running Lenny, with KB3 installed. I also have access
> to a variety of machines running Windows. I have tried no less than a
> dozen times to burn this @#$% CD, and every time has failed. I have
> tried the following:
> 
> Different downloaded image files (all pass md5sum checks)
> Different machines/cd burners/OS (windows/debian)
> Different CD media - HP, Sony, Memorex, no-name, mostly CD-R but a few
>   CD-RW
> Different burn speeds - usually the lowest possible for a given CD, but
>   also medium and top speed.
> Different burning programs (KB3, command line, various MSWindows apps)
> 
> 
> A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but
> then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO
> when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they
> get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in
> 'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just
> hangs.
> 

Sounds like data corruption somewhere.  Have you tried downloading by a
different machine (despite the good MD5sum)?  Can you sucessfully burn
a different CD?

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cd burning not going well

[tyler]

Hi,

I'm trying to burn a copy of Xubuntu as a rescue disk. My laptop
(Thinkpad R60) is running Lenny, with KB3 installed. I also have access
to a variety of machines running Windows. I have tried no less than a
dozen times to burn this @#$% CD, and every time has failed. I have
tried the following:

Different downloaded image files (all pass md5sum checks)
Different machines/cd burners/OS (windows/debian)
Different CD media - HP, Sony, Memorex, no-name, mostly CD-R but a few
  CD-RW
Different burn speeds - usually the lowest possible for a given CD, but
  also medium and top speed.
Different burning programs (KB3, command line, various MSWindows apps)


A typical result is burning the CD with KB3, which appears to work, but
then complains that the disk image does not match the downloaded ISO
when the verification check completes. If I try and boot these CDs, they
get me as far as the Xubuntu opening screen, but when I use the built-in
'check CD integrity' it fails. Trying to boot anyways fails, it just
hangs.

As I've said, I've tried multiple computers, OS, media, burning
programs, downloaded images (Ubuntu as well as Xubuntu). Does anyone
have any other suggestions for burning a CD? This makes no sense to me.

Thanks,

Tyler

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Re: no printer in latest iceweasel

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 17:35:26 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:05:05 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > > Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > >> The version of iceweasel in Unstable will only print to a file; no
> > >> printers are listed. This is probably an upstream bug in iceweasel
> > >> because Google shows that people using other distros have got it too.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone know a way of fixing this? I have tried editing the print stuff
> > >> in about:config (ignoring a strange message about possible invalidation
> > >> of my warranty -- what warranty?) but it doesn't help. I also removed
> > >> all the referenes to "print" in pref.js, without effect.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I have iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 (sid) and I get my only printer listed.
> > 
> > My guess is that you use CUPS and Anthony probably does not.
> > 
> 
> Correct, I have lpr.

I have the impression that the support for piping the print job to lpr
(or an equivalent command) has been removed or at least reduced
significantly. I initially suspected this when I saw that iceweasel no
longer opens the KDE print dialog. With previous versions it had been
possible to set print.print_command to "kprinter", which behaves like
lpr with a graphical printer selection dialog. Now I find that the
print.print_command setting is ignored; it does not matter if I set it
to "kprinter", the "lpr ..." default, or even "/bin/false" - I always
get a printer selection dialog with all configured CUPS printers if
cupsd is running and only the "print to file" option otherwise.

I now ran strace on iceweasel and printed something. I saw that
iceweasel uses GTK's libprintbackend-cups.so and it connects to
/var/run/cups/cups.sock to discover and use the configured printers. The
CUPS integration has obviously been improved (including the new dialog
for selecting a printer and setting the print preferences), but it seems
that this was been done at the expense of lpr. 

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Re: Wacom and WINE

[Robin]

2008/6/24  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello. I am new to Linux, and I wish to use my Bamboo Tablet in Linux and 
> have WINE set up for quick access to Windows. However, I can't really make 
> heads or tails of the instructions. Any help would be appreciated.
>
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As a start if you haven't already install the package: xserver-xorg-input-wacom

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Re: hello, houston (debian) we have a problem ....

[Robert Hodgins]

On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 12:33 -0430, juan alberto zarate sanoja wrote:
> hi, my name is juan zarate from caracas - venezuela,
> I am developer of aplications (artificial intelligence, expert
> systems, tailor's made aplications)
> with over 20 years of experience
> and i am also, a linux administradtor certificated  by
> www.iseit.com.ve
> i write to you because I did bought a modem (huawei EC226)
> conection usb, but i can't use it with linux, can you help me?
> exist any way of work with this modem under linux?
> because i am working with debian and i like offer to my clients
> install debian but, i need the internet conection for this reason
> work with this modem is important to me. and in general is important
> to debian that all modem in the market can work under debian linux
> (the conection is very important).
>  
> thank you for all.
>  
> Note: If i can help to debian of any way, please tell me how?
> i will be happy of work with debian.
>  
> juan zarate.
> movil phone
> 04142295995

My Spanish stinks, but I think that this page will help you.
http://www.geronimo.com.ve/?q=node/4


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hello, houston (debian) we have a problem ....

[juan alberto zarate sanoja]

hi, my name is juan zarate from caracas - venezuela,
I am developer of aplications (artificial intelligence, expert systems,
tailor's made aplications)
with over 20 years of experience
and i am also, a linux administradtor certificated  by www.iseit.com.ve
i write to you because I did bought a modem (huawei EC226)
conection usb, but i can't use it with linux, can you help me?
exist any way of work with this modem under linux?
because i am working with debian and i like offer to my clients
install debian but, i need the internet conection for this reason
work with this modem is important to me. and in general is important
to debian that all modem in the market can work under debian linux
(the conection is very important).

thank you for all.

Note: If i can help to debian of any way, please tell me how?
i will be happy of work with debian.

juan zarate.
movil phone
04142295995

Re: Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?

[Sam Kuper]

2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Sam Kuper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  Personally, I've found all of the wind farms I've seen so far quite
>
> Ask the EU about their effect on migratory bird populations.


The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds has this to say -
http://www.rspb.org.uk/ourwork/policy/windfarms/index.asp - which seems like
a balanced position.

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Hello Larry,
> >
> > Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >> Michelle
> >> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you.
> >> What we found was some very good and very expensive software,
> >> primarily ported to
> >> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software,
> >> unfortunately ported to XP.  Perhaps others can suggest something
> >> that combines the XP-like cost with (some of the) UNIX-like
> >> features.  Due to cost reasons we ended up with the XP stuff.
> >> Hope you find something that
> >> matches your needs.
> >> Larry
> >
> > My VariCAD is runnin on Debian and there is nothing which beat it.
> > Handling, Usability, Performance and Price   20.000 Euro.
> >
> > Do you mean a Layout-Software for PCBs?
> > What "expensive" and "less expensive" was it?
> >
> > Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> > Michelle Konzack
> > Systemadministrator
> > 24V Electronic Engineer
> > Tamay Dogan Network
> > Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
> 
> Michelle
> The software I used included a schematic capture package, and a PCB
> layout package.  As do most layout packages this one required some
> human input for the layout rules (line widths, hole sizes, etc.) and
> for routing in case the built-in algorithm got "stumped".  The output
> of the PCB layout package was a file in standard (e.g. Gerber) format
> that one could send to someone to make the boards themselves. The
> schematic package was called Circuit Maker and the companion PCB
> board layout package was called TraxMaker. The packages at that time
> were relatively inexpensive (e.g. several hundred US dollars) and
> only ran on XP.

I am using the freely downloadable student edition of Circuit Maker, and
it works well enough for university tasks. And it runs nicely in wine,
so I assume the full version runs also. I know, I know: this is not
professional. :))
The other one I like is eagle. It is distributed with Debian, in the
non-free section.

> I believe both packages and the (Austrailian)
> company that developed them were bought by someone else but some
> Googling will tell you the new names if you are interested. Again
> these were more for boards that had perhaps up to a few hundred
> components and for relatively small boards--"perfect" for a small
> company doing in-house layout but out-house board manufacture. Larry
> P.S.  The Sun packages were Mentor Graphics' and VERY complex and VERY
> expensive (several tens of thousand US dollars as I recall).  These
> are used, for example, by the PC motherboard companies (multilayer
> boards, plated-through holes, vias, etc.)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
> > # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
> > # Michelle Konzack   Apt. 917
> > ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN
> > LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France   IRC #Debian
> > (irc.icq.com)
> >
> 
> 
> 


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seg fault Firefox

[Damon L. Chesser]

when ever I run firefox (aka iceweasle, how stupid is that!) I get a seg 
fault.

==> messages <==
Jun 24 13:08:03 dam-main kernel: [59583.098628] firefox-bin[3836]: segfault at 
7fc9a0d0d21b ip 7fc9a2136160 sp 7fffaad49d70 error 4 in 
libc-2.7.so[7fc9a20c2000+14a000]

and iceweasle opens as I would expect and everything works.  I only know about 
the segfault because I am monitoring messages.

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Re: Lenovo Thinkpad, HP, or Vostro/Latitude? was Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 15 Jun 2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> 
> when did you last try? Mine still works, though it's definitely a
> little buggy getting it to associate. I haven't upgraded the lappy in
> a while though, so maybe it's better. Currently, to get it to
> associate I have to run through the following hoops...
> 
> ifup wlan0 
> # can't do anything without upping the thing
> 
> iwlist wlan0 scan 
> # will perform a scan (can you get this part to work?)
> 
> iwconfig wlan0 essid 
> 
> and then various permutations of 
> 
> iwconfig wlan0 channel 
> iwconfig wlan0 ap off
> iwconfig wlan0 ap 
> 
> all while watching 
> 
> tail -f /var/log/syslog 
> 
> in another terminal until I get the (paraphrased) message:
> 
> NETDEV: wlan0 comes ready
> 
> or something like that. 
> 
> I've tried to script this, but it just doesn't work reliably, which is
> frustrating. It seems that the driver doesn't actually do what it
> claims with regard to the 'ap off' command. It usually just tries to
> associate with the last ap, even if that ap is 100 miles away. 
> 
> its frustrating, but does work. And once it comes up, it works great. 
> 


Well, I finally got it to work! I use the following incantation; I don't
know why it works but it does.

1. ifup wlan0
This never works initially; it goes on trying without
connecting. So I kill the process by killing the xterm (no other
way to do it).
2. ifdown wlan0.
3. ifup wlan0.

Very odd.

Anthony

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Re: ntp not any more supported in Debian or did I miss something?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:59:14AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> If it's in Sid, what are the plans for getting it into Lenny-final?  As it 
> stands, I can't use Lenny until this is fixed.

http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ntp

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Re: no printer in latest iceweasel

[Anthony Campbell]

On 24 Jun 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:05:05 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >> The version of iceweasel in Unstable will only print to a file; no
> >> printers are listed. This is probably an upstream bug in iceweasel
> >> because Google shows that people using other distros have got it too.
> >>
> >> Anyone know a way of fixing this? I have tried editing the print stuff
> >> in about:config (ignoring a strange message about possible invalidation
> >> of my warranty -- what warranty?) but it doesn't help. I also removed
> >> all the referenes to "print" in pref.js, without effect.
> >>
> >
> > I have iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 (sid) and I get my only printer listed.
> 
> My guess is that you use CUPS and Anthony probably does not.
> 

Correct, I have lpr.

Anthony


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Re: no printer in latest iceweasel

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:05:05 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
>> The version of iceweasel in Unstable will only print to a file; no
>> printers are listed. This is probably an upstream bug in iceweasel
>> because Google shows that people using other distros have got it too.
>>
>> Anyone know a way of fixing this? I have tried editing the print stuff
>> in about:config (ignoring a strange message about possible invalidation
>> of my warranty -- what warranty?) but it doesn't help. I also removed
>> all the referenes to "print" in pref.js, without effect.
>>
>
> I have iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 (sid) and I get my only printer listed.

My guess is that you use CUPS and Anthony probably does not.

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Re: iceweasel 3: favicon while tab is loading

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:

On Sunday 22 June 2008 06:55:46 pm Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,


In sid's iceweasel 3 I notice a difference with iceweasel 2:

when a tab is loading the favicon shown would slowly rotate in version
2, but in version 3 it stays stuck at the beginning.

Searching bugzilla.mozilla.org I find nothing under "favicon", but it
clearly is a visible but minor bug.

Anybody else notice this behavior?

BTW, it's called the 'throbber'...


That is also seen here.



Damon, its all explained in
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487411

But I am not sure that it will ever work as in FF3

Hugo


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Re: no printer in latest iceweasel

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Anthony Campbell wrote:

The version of iceweasel in Unstable will only print to a file; no
printers are listed. This is probably an upstream bug in iceweasel
because Google shows that people using other distros have got it too.

Anyone know a way of fixing this? I have tried editing the print stuff
in about:config (ignoring a strange message about possible invalidation
of my warranty -- what warranty?) but it doesn't help. I also removed
all the referenes to "print" in pref.js, without effect.



I have iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1 (sid) and I get my only printer listed.

Hugo


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Wacom and WINE

[ingrid591]

Hello. I am new to Linux, and I wish to use my Bamboo Tablet in Linux and have 
WINE set up for quick access to Windows. However, I can't really make heads or 
tails of the instructions. Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: ntp not any more supported in Debian or did I miss something?

[Rick Thomas]

If it's in Sid, what are the plans for getting it into Lenny-final?   
As it stands, I can't use Lenny until this is fixed.


Rick

On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:10 AM, Mike Bird wrote:


On Mon June 23 2008 22:27:50 Rick Thomas wrote:

So, if I *must* have ntp from ntp.org on my Lenny system, is there a
place I can get a working ".deb"?  Can it be put in "non-free"?


It's still available in Sid.  You can either mess with apt's sources
or preferences, or just wget the following and "dpkg -i" it:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.4p4 
+dfsg-6_i386.deb


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Re: iptstate V2.2.1

[Jochen Antesberger]

Am Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:53:00 -0400 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:

> Sam Kuper wrote:
>> 2008/6/22 Jerry Stuckle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >:
>> 
>> It's been suggested I try to install the package from source - but
>> I'm not sure how to do that in this case.  I can download the source
>> and have the compiler installed - but what else?
>> 
>> 
>> Basically:
>> 
>>1. config
>>2. make
>>3. make install
>> 
>> ... in that order. For more, try this link below or just start googling:
>> 
>> http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm
>> 
>> Sam
> 
> Thanks, Sam, but I've already tried that (sorry, I wasn't that clear). 
> There are a huge number of dependencies - some which have conflicts with 
> packages from etch base.
> 
> But that will also make my installed version out of sync with what dpkg 
> has listed - which is my bigger concern.

There are two dependencies for which etch doesn't have the minimum
required version: libnetfilter-conntrack1 and libnfnetlink0, which is
a dependency of the first. Both of those compile on an etch system.

If you don't want litter your system with all
the compile dependencies (I don't) then I suggest to use pbuilder. It's
actually quite easy. In a nutshell it installs a complete debian
installation in a subdirectory, with all the dependencies required for the
package to be build. So it will download quite a bit, but it caches all
the debs and keeps a ready to go image of the basesystem to speed up the
process. It removes the build system after it is done.

There is a simple guide on how to set it up at:
http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize

In the case here, however, you need something extra to feed it your own
backported versions of the above mentioned libs. For that you just need to
read this (links directly to section 3.4 of the document which explains
all you need):
http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/pbuilderbuild.html#pbuilderhook

It took me only a few minutes to compile those three packages and have
them installed on an etch system. If this all is just too much for you I
can give you the debs, but it is not good to accept debs from
strangers :)

Jochen


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Re: wifi gone AWOL in Etch

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 17:38:21 +, Ernest Humpoletz wrote:
> wifi (for broadband Internet) worked briefly on my Etch (and the
> double booted Windows XP Prof) and soon vanished from Etch. My
> attempts to revive it have failed abominably.
> 
> Machine is DELL INSPIRON 6400 laptop, with Intel 3945 ABG  v 10.1.0.13
> Network controller found by lspci (as is Broadcom Corp BCM-4401-B0
> ethernet device)
> 
> lsmod finds 'intel agp' and 'eth 1394'  (plus the usual many I don't
> recognise AT ALL).

Does it list "ipw3945"?

> The DSL-Router device is Zycom P660HW-T1 which continues to work OK on
> ethernet and wifi for the Windows OS
> 
> My great  problem is that I do not seem able to find out  what to do
> to make iwconfig able to recognise the ZyXEL device and do its stuff!
> I am obviously missing the preliminary stages.

Post the full output of "iwconfig". (You can of course replace sensitive
data, e.g. listed WEP keys, with generic placeholders.)

> It would seem that Etch did all the preliminaries originally, ready to
> spring to life as soon as I removed the ethernet cable after doing the
> ZyXEL initial settings.

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Re: Thanks to all the devs and maintainers of Debian

[Star Liu]

yes, cannot thank debian too much :)
I hope debian will always be free, stable and powerful :)

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:58 AM, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>
>> Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>>
>>> Joey Hess and all the rest,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to say thanks.  You all have been very helpfull and I for one
>>> appreciate your work.  Sadly, the only one I know for sure is Joey who has
>>> in the past helped me out personally on the mailing lists.  Debian is rock
>>> solid and very usable thanks to you all.  Just wanted to say that.
>>>
>>>
>> Second that. Super team.
>>
>> Hugo
>>
>>
>>
> I agree wholeheartedly.
>
> Also, the Debian policy of making it clear which packages are open source
> and which are non-free helps me trust Debian more than any other
> distribution. Many times I have checked if a package was included in Debian
> to make my first impressions ... if it is not in Debian then it requires
> more thorough care before installing it.
>
> Great work!!
> ->HS
>
>
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Re: debian installer

[Star Liu]

If you don't configure the network or refuse to install by a mirror site, it
really get all the 800 packages from CD, i think. :)

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Daniel Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 01:56:07AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
>
> > Alas, Debian sometimes refers to copying files from the disc as
> > "downloading", so it is unclear from the information you gave which it
> > means, getting from the disc or getting from the internet.  You could
> > just try it, and abort and start over if it becomes clear it is from the
>
> No, I installed debian, but I want to know if it actually downloaded
> anything.
> It just said retrieving file 1 of 800 retrieving file 2 of 800 etc.
> Exactly what the etch netinst said, so I assume since the iso is 700 mb
> almost it was just getting these packages from the cd?
> Or did it actually download from the internet?
>
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Re: Root sending messages to users

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> 2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> You're that machine's god.  That machine's users(! you, her, and root)
>> need their god to do the right thing.
> 
> When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their
> neighbors in my name, I'll set up my own account. That's how it works,
> no?

That's just stupid.

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no printer in latest iceweasel

[Anthony Campbell]

The version of iceweasel in Unstable will only print to a file; no
printers are listed. This is probably an upstream bug in iceweasel
because Google shows that people using other distros have got it too.

Anyone know a way of fixing this? I have tried editing the print stuff
in about:config (ignoring a strange message about possible invalidation
of my warranty -- what warranty?) but it doesn't help. I also removed
all the referenes to "print" in pref.js, without effect.

Anthony
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Re: configuring shell autologin

[Forsaken]

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:43:22 -0700
Lee Glidewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First of all, why: this is for a single-user laptop with an encrypted
> hard drive. If someone gets past the initial passkey, they have all
> of my respect as well as my data. I'm trying to cut down on the
> amount of typing I have to do at startup (currently, between the hdd,
> the login, setting up wireless and unlocking the keyring that stores
> my e-mail/web passwords, I type 4 passwords/-keys). 

Another way to do this (shamelessly stolen from a coworker):

first, install rungetty

/etc/inittab:
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
2:23:respawn:/sbin/rungetty -u root tty2 /bin/autologin
3:23:respawn:/sbin/rungetty -u root tty3 /bin/autologin

Contents of /bin/autologin:
/bin/login -f root

I do this on my home file server so that the other folks in the house
who have only ever used Windows are still prompted with a login if they
ever get nosy and sit down in front of that box, but I have two root
terminals logged in at the console that I can work with without having
to login (it should be noted that root has no valid password on this
box, the only way to log directly in as root is via ssh key or sitting
down at the box and using the virtual terms)

> I have so far tried two autologin solutions: rungetty, and this
> script (named as /sbin/autologin):
>   #!/bin/bash
>   exec 0/dev/$1 2>&1
>   cat /etc/issue
>   shift
>   exec $*
> 
> I have setup tty1 to use these scripts for autologin, and get the
> same error message with both. Here are the inittab lines I used for
> each of the two: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/rungetty tty1 --autologin lee
> and
>   1:2345:respawn:/sbin/autologin tty1 login -f lee
> 
> In both cases, the response I get is that the terminal is respawning
> too frequently, and the terminal is locked for five minutes. I don't
> understand the getty applications well enough to figure out what to
> do next.
> 
> What am I missing? :)
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Re: Xen, Etch and 915resolution

[Steve Kemp]

On Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:44:54 +0200, Daniel Ngu wrote:

> Did Xorg start okay booting into Xen kernel or were they setting
> tweaks to get it working.

  From memory the system booted and X just didn't start until I changed
 the driver under Xen from the nv one.  I think I might have just fallen
 back to the vesa driver, but sadly I can't check.

  Sorry I can't be more specific; I recently returned the (work) laptop.

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Re: Xen, Etch and 915resolution

[Daniel Ngu]

On 2008-06-24, Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:50:50 +0200, Daniel Ngu wrote:
>
>> Just curious if anyone managed to get Xen working on Etch that also uses
>> 915resolution. I'm assuming it has something to do with 915resolution.
>
>   I did, on some random Dell notebook.
>
>   From memory I used the non-free nv driver under Etch to get a non-xen
>  display with the 915resolution helper.  Under Xen I had to use the
>  free driver, and that worked, albeit not as well.

Thanks Steve for the response.

I have Intel 865G (82865G Integrated Graphics Controller) and a
1440x900 resolution monitor.

I just used the driver came with Etch.

Did Xorg start okay booting into Xen kernel or were they setting
tweaks to get it working.

Thanks.

Regards,

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Re: Xen, Etch and 915resolution

[Steve Kemp]

On Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:50:50 +0200, Daniel Ngu wrote:

> Just curious if anyone managed to get Xen working on Etch that also uses
> 915resolution. I'm assuming it has something to do with 915resolution.

  I did, on some random Dell notebook.

  From memory I used the non-free nv driver under Etch to get a non-xen
 display with the 915resolution helper.  Under Xen I had to use the
 free driver, and that worked, albeit not as well.

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Re: openvpn with debian stable

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 02:51:50PM +0200, Pol Hallen wrote:
> Hi folks :-)
> 
> I need understand a thing about openvpn with debian stable:
> 
> dpkg -l|grep openvpn
> ii openvpn 2.0.9-4etch1 Virtual Private Network daemon
> 
> apt-listbugs list openvpn

Neat, must read the apt-listbugs man page one day.

> grave bugs of openvpn (2.0.9-4etch1 -> ) 

What does the changelog.gz file say? That "" tag seems to indicate
it has been fixed.

> #483723 - /usr/sbin/openssl-vulnkey: not found (Fixed: openvpn/2.1~rc7-3)
> #483020 - openssl-vulnkey hangs on connecting (Fixed: openvpn/2.1~rc7-4)

openvpn/2.1~rc7-3 and openvpn/2.1~rc7-4 are the versions for Lenny and
Sid. The security fixes for etch are backported.

> apt-get install openvpn
> openvpn is already the newest version.
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded

Must have been upgraded.

> If already there's openvpn2.1-rc7-4 without some bugs, why the stable distro 
> doesn't show me any upgrades?

You know new upstream versions don't go into stable, don't you?

> I prefer not install openvpn from unstable or however using a mix distro, 
> because this server is for production of work.

Good idea.

> How can I resolve this problem?

Should already be resolved, or the tag would say  instead of
.

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Xen, Etch and 915resolution

[Daniel Ngu]

Hi,

I'm currently running Etch with 915resolution. I'm trying to get Xen working but
after I installed Xen and bootup into the Xen kernel, Xorg won't start, I get a
blank screen instead. Xorg starts with standard kernel still.

Just curious if anyone managed to get Xen working on Etch that also uses
915resolution. I'm assuming it has something to do with 915resolution.

Thanks.

Regards,

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Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/24 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 23/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2) I must be interoperable  with the other engineers running Solidworks.
>
> Your definition of interoperable seems a little weird. It sounds too
> much like the definition of vendor lock-in.
>

Dotan's definition of "interoperable": Dotan can receive, edit, and
return documents to other users.

Note that if Dotan cannot be interoperable, then Dotan cannot work. If
Dotan cannot work, then Dotan's family starves.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/24 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Solidworks <=2005 runs in codeweavers, but nothing in wine.
>
> Which version?  Anything below 1.0.0 underwent (and will in the future
> under the 1.1 tree) development at a significant rate of change.
> Frequently, prior to 1.0, things that didn't work one week would the
> next, without fanfare.
>

I've got the 2006 install media here. I will try in later next month
in Wine 1.0 and in the current codeweavers.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Root sending messages to users

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You're that machine's god.  That machine's users(! you, her, and root)
> need their god to do the right thing.

When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their
neighbors in my name, I'll set up my own account. That's how it works,
no?

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?