Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,21.Jul.09, 20:51:24, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> 
> And Andrei suggested that I use apt-get source. But I still need to
> determine some file names using the version of the package, for which
> I need to parse the sources file. I have to think of an elegant way to

Maybe it's easier to parse the output of 'apt-cache showsrc'.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Sadly...

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,21.Jul.09, 21:01:22, Sven Joachim wrote:
> 
> The right position for the cursor when starting a reply is at the
> beginning of the quoted text so that you can 
> 
> - cut parts of it which are not interesting for your reply
> - easily scroll to a position in the text where you want to start a
>   reply, handy for the "inline quoting" style.

+1

vim (from mutt) also puts the cursor at the beginning.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,22.Jul.09, 13:25:00, Charlie wrote:
> 
> Just a general off topic query.
> 
> I was recently informed that my signature had a problem rendering correctly 
> on 
> someone's mailer - deliniter incorrect - 

The delimiter () is ok, but then you have an empty 
line and some more text. At least mutt will show that in the normal 
color (as in "not a signature"). Maybe you should try to keep your 
signature shorter?

If you worry about nettiquete please also wrap your lines to *less* than 
80 characters. 72 is a good number, allowing also for several levels of 
quoting.

> and was told that my signature "Linux Debian" should read "Debian 
> GNU/Linux" because: "considering that the majority of it is provided 
> by GNU."

GNU stands for "GNU's not UNIX" and was always meant to be a free 
operating system, while Linux is a kernel. You could think of it like: 
the GNU operating system with the Linux kernel, but whatever you name 
it, neither can work without the other, so yes, the correct name would 
be some combination of GNU+Linux.

OTOH, a modern *desktop* operating system without X and a DE/WM is not 
very common, so maybe the correct designation should be (in my case) 
"GNU/Linux Xorg/Xfce"?

> I have added GNU - but it may be silly? My own prejudice was that Linux was 
> first so should be first, that without it there would be no Debian? Or as I 
> asked my correspondent, who never replied, would there have been an OpenBSD 
> Debian or something like that? Then should GNU go before Debian or after? Or 
> not be there at all? Even if most comes from GNU Debian is the one that 
> creates it so?

Debian is working on GNU/Hurd (GNU+Hurd kernel) and GNU/kFreeBSD 
(GNU+FreeBSD kernel). I haven't heard of any plans to make a 
FreeBSD/Linux or similar combination as it seems the GNU tools are 
easier to port to a different kernel then the other "tools".

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debian Tags integrated into apt-get?

[Jeffrey Cao]

I found there's Tag section in /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages.
Does this mean debian tags is integrated into apt-get and I need not
run "debtags update" to update the tags? and "debtags update" is obsolete?

Jeffrey


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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:14:32AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue,21.Jul.09, 20:51:24, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> > 
> > And Andrei suggested that I use apt-get source. But I still need to
> > determine some file names using the version of the package, for which
> > I need to parse the sources file. I have to think of an elegant way to
> 
> Maybe it's easier to parse the output of 'apt-cache showsrc'.

That would help. Thanks again, Andrei.

Kumar
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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Nate Bargmann]

* Charlie  [2009 Jul 21 22:26 -0500]:

> I'm just interested and imagine there will not be a definitive answer to this 
> at all.

Without all the silliness, the proper name of the distribution from the
main Web page is "Debian GNU/Linux X.x".  Beyond that the rest is
personal preference.

- Nate >>

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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Tiago Saboga]

Charlie wrote:
> first so should be first, that without it there would be no Debian? Or
> as I asked my correspondent, who never replied, would there have been
> an OpenBSD Debian or something like that? Then should GNU go before
> Debian or after? Or

Nate Bargmann already replied about the official name of the Debian
distribution. Just FYI, there are actually two flavors of Debian that do
not use the linux kernel: Debian GNU/KFreeBSB and Debian GNU/Hurd.

Tiago Saboga.


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FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory

[Mathieu Malaterre]

'lo

  When trying to apt-get install -t experimental wine, I got the
following error:


Setting up cups (1.3.8-1+lenny6) ...
Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdFATAL: Could not load
/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such
file or directory
.
Setting up ghostscript-x (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1) ...
Setting up gs-esp (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1) ...


I am not sure this should be reported against cups.

Comments ?
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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 06:32:43AM -0400, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:14:32AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Tue,21.Jul.09, 20:51:24, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> > > 
> > > And Andrei suggested that I use apt-get source. But I still need to
> > > determine some file names using the version of the package, for which
> > > I need to parse the sources file. I have to think of an elegant way to
> > 
> > Maybe it's easier to parse the output of 'apt-cache showsrc'.
> 
> That would help. Thanks again, Andrei.

How about adding deb-src line in chroot pointing to unstable archive?

Then apt-get source "any-binary" will run in chroot to get pertinent 

I think adding some version using "dch" should help reduce version name
confusion of build package.  dch is in devscript.

Osamu


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Advices regarding hdparm multcount option

[Dominique Dumont]

Hello

My Gygabyte motherboard (SB700 with AMD4400+) has poor SATA
performance. Any disk I/O leads to high system CPU percentage. 
And the AHCI interrupt is about 1000/s even for low disk usage.

Using hdparm, I've found that all my sata disks have multcount set to 0:

$ sudo hdparm /dev/sdb

/dev/sdb:
 multcount =  0 (off)
 IO_support=  0 (default)
 readonly  =  0 (off)
 readahead = 256 (on)
 geometry  = 38913/255/63, sectors = 625142448, start = 0

As far as I can tell, I should get better performance by setting
mulcount to 8 or 16. (ie. hdparm -m 16 /dev/sdb)

But, hdparm warns that -m is a dangerous option. 

What is your opinion on this ? Is this really dangerous ? Or is it only
when playing with too high mulcount value ?

All the best

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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:33:36PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > > And Andrei suggested that I use apt-get source. But I still need to
> > > > determine some file names using the version of the package, for which
> > > > I need to parse the sources file. I have to think of an elegant way to
> > > 
> > > Maybe it's easier to parse the output of 'apt-cache showsrc'.
> > 
> > That would help. Thanks again, Andrei.
> 
> How about adding deb-src line in chroot pointing to unstable archive?
> 
> Then apt-get source "any-binary" will run in chroot to get pertinent 

I am not sure how this would help, as I run apt-get source outside of
the chroot, right?

> I think adding some version using "dch" should help reduce version name
> confusion of build package.  dch is in devscript.

I was also thinking about an automated dch to increase the version to
something like ${VER}~mybpo1, or some such thing. I leave it to you to
suggest some sane method my which this can be achieved.

Thanks for all the help, and I hope people find this useful.

Kumar


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Reliable NIC for kernel 2.6.18

[mmhb]

Hi, 

I'm looking for a PCI NIC with one or two RJ45 connectors that is known to be 
supported 100% from the Linux Kernel 2.6.18. The system is intended to run 
24/7, but the data rates are not too high, so 100MBit should do it. 
At the moment, a Marvell/Yukon based on-board NIC is used that unfortunatly 
does not work reliably, neither with the standard sky2 driver nor the sk98lin 
driver. For that reason I want to add an additional NIC that is known to work 
very reliably.

Thanks for your answers!

Best regards
Matthias


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Re: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-07-22 14:17 +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:

> 'lo
>
>   When trying to apt-get install -t experimental wine, I got the
> following error:
>
>
> Setting up cups (1.3.8-1+lenny6) ...
> Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdFATAL: Could not load
> /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory
> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such
> file or directory

These messages are coming from modprobe.  Apparently the cups init
script wants to load some modules.

> Setting up ghostscript-x (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1) ...
> Setting up gs-esp (8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1) ...
>
>
> I am not sure this should be reported against cups.

Certainly not.  But I wonder why modules.dep does not exist, it should
have been generated when you installed the linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64
package.  You can run depmod yourself to fix that problem.

Sven


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Re: sudo logging

[Berthold Cogel]

Mag Gam schrieb:
> We have many users at my university engineering lab. Some professors
> need commands for root and of other users, so we decided to setup sudo
> permissions. I was wondering if there is a way to log all commands
> when they sudo into an account or root account.
> 
> I would like to even capture key strokes...
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> 

I only just read your posting so perhaps you already found what you're
looking for. But ...


We're doing somthing like this in /etc/sudoers:


Cmnd_Alias  SHELLS =/bin/sh, \
/bin/bash, \
/bin/bash2, \
/bin/ash, \
/bin/ash.static, \
/bin/bsh, \
/bin/csh, \
/bin/ksh, \
/bin/tcsh, \
/usr/bin/rsh, \
/usr/local/bin/zsh, \
/usr/bin/gnome-terminal, \
/usr/bin/xterm


Cmnd_Alias  NOROOT =!/bin/su -, \
!/bin/su "", \
!/bin/su - root, \
!/bin/su root

Cmnd_Alias  SUDOSH =/usr/bin/sudosh


Cmnd_Alias  BOOT =  /sbin/shutdown -h now, \
/sbin/shutdown -r now

.. a lot of Cmnd_Alias definitions for different systems and services ..


# Defaults specification

# list of editors for use with sudoedit
Defaults editor=/bin/vi:/usr/bin/vim:/usr/bin/nedit:/usr/bin/nano:.

Defaultsenv_reset
Defaultsenv_editor
Defaultsenv_keep="PATH TERM DISPLAY EDITOR"
Defaultsenv_check="PATH TERM DISPLAY EDITOR"

.


# Logging via syslog to a loghost and in case of violation mail to bofh
Defaultssyslog=local3, mailto="b...@big.brother.com"





User_Alias  TRUSTED_USR =   

User_Alias  ALMOST_TRUSTED = 

User_Alias  WATCH_ME =  



#
TRUSTED_USR  ALL = NOPASSWD:ALL ,!SHELLS, NOROOT

ALMOST_TRUSTED ALL = (root) SUDOSH

WATCH_ME ALL = (root) /only/what/you/need/cmd, \
  /and/little/more/cmd *






So you can define very detailed whom you trust. An what a user is
allowed to do. This covers almost all of our needs. But be aware that
sudo is very picky about paths, line ends, spaces after '\' at line ends
 and a lot more pitfalls.

But the most difficult part is to make the users understand, that they
DON'T want to be root. Because if they break things 

If this is not enough for your environment, you will have to use sudosh.

It's a complete root-shell with a replay-log and timestamps and ...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/sudosh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudosh

We use it only for very special customers and I don't know how to
restrict sudosh...


Berthold






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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Joseph Rawson]

On Monday 20 July 2009 19:55:30 Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:19:29AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> > > If you are looking for small private archive:
> > > 
> > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_small_
> > >public_package_archive
> > >
> > > Also debi command in devscript may reduce dpkg -i.
> >
> > Thanks for that. It'd be nice to automate the build process as well
> > though, and combine it with these tools.
>
> So, I used Osamu's reference to create a small repository for myself,
> and then put together this piece of 5 minute shell jugglery for one
> command building of packages to load in there. It's really not neat,
> but hey, works well for a 5 minute effort.
>
I've had a pretty easy time using reprepro for making a personal repository.  
You can use it as a partial mirror of what you already have and also be able 
to add an extra dist section (like lenny-backports) for the backported 
packages.  You can still use dupload or dput to upload the packages by 
configuring an incoming  directory for reprepro to watch.  Or you can just 
add the .changes to reprepro explicitly  by 
calling "reprepro  -b /path/to/repos include $source_$arch.changes".

Using reprepro makes it easy to upload the new packages to an "experimental" 
dist for testing, then call "reprepro -b /path/to/repos copysrc experimental 
lenny-backports $srcname".  I had to learn this the hard way, because 
occasionally some backported packages don't work properly.


> Just run it with the sid source package as argument, and (assuming
> your directories are set up like mine), it should result in a
> backported package for you.
>
> I am looking to Wikify this, with full procedure on how to set up the
> mirror, the pbuilder/cowbuilder build environment and finally building
> packages. But before that, I'd appreciate it if others can suggest
> workarounds for the following kludges:
>
> 1. I download the Sources file from the mirror. It might become stale,
>so I'd have to remove it periodically.
> 2. I am parsing the output of grep-dctrl with certain
>assumptions. They might fail for some cases, and are not robust.
> 3. Judging the name of the changes file from the .dsc.
> 4. Checking for errors and bailing out.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kumar
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> if [ ! -n "$1" ];
> then
> echo "Usage: `basename $0` "
> exit 1;
> fi
>
> if [ ! -s Sources ];
> then
> wget
> ftp://ftp.utexas.edu/pub/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.bz2 -O -
> |bzcat > Sources fi
>
> FILE=$(grep-dctrl -X -S "$1" -s Directory,Files < Sources |awk
> '/^Directory/ { url = $NF} /\.dsc$/ { url = url "/" $NF}
> END { print url}')
> echo $FILE
> dget -d "ftp://ftp.utexas.edu/pub/debian/$FILE";
> sudo cowbuilder --configfile ~/.pbuilderrc-lenny --build $(basename
> "$FILE") dupload -t aceslinc /var/cache/pbuilder/result/$(basename
> "${FILE%.dsc}")_amd64.changes

If you have a spare machine, or enough spare ram to run virtualbox, you may 
want to take a look at cowpoke (in the devscripts package).  Cowpoke will run 
cowbuilder on a remote machine (or VM if you use virtualbox).  Here you get 
the benefit of having a build log saved for you, having lintian run on the 
result (you may not care about this) and also having the .changes file signed 
(you may not care about this either).

On a related note, I've been spending the last week on rebuilding lenny 
packages using alternative CFLAGS and -march options.  I have a friend who's 
running gentoo, and he keeps telling me that they have a better system for 
building packages with the options the you select.  I decided to try and make 
my own quick, sloppy build system using multiple buildd's with cowpoke as an 
example.  I've had mixed results with some packages honoring those options 
and other packages ignoring them.  It's been a very interesting experiment.


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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Joseph Rawson]

On Wednesday 22 July 2009 08:02:09 Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:33:36PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > > > And Andrei suggested that I use apt-get source. But I still need to
> > > > > determine some file names using the version of the package, for
> > > > > which I need to parse the sources file. I have to think of an
> > > > > elegant way to
> > > >
> > > > Maybe it's easier to parse the output of 'apt-cache showsrc'.
> > >
> > > That would help. Thanks again, Andrei.
> >
> > How about adding deb-src line in chroot pointing to unstable archive?
> >
> > Then apt-get source "any-binary" will run in chroot to get pertinent
>
> I am not sure how this would help, as I run apt-get source outside of
> the chroot, right?
>
> > I think adding some version using "dch" should help reduce version name
> > confusion of build package.  dch is in devscript.
>
> I was also thinking about an automated dch to increase the version to
> something like ${VER}~mybpo1, or some such thing. I leave it to you to
> suggest some sane method my which this can be achieved.
>
using ~ decreases the version.

Try this:
dpkg-source -x  dscfile
pushd $src-$ver
dch -l mybpo
dpkg-buildpackage -S (It's rare, but sometimes you may need a builddep 
installed for this, such as po4a).
popd
dupload $src-$newver_source.changes
cowbuilder $src-$newver.dsc (use -B for DEBBUILDOPTS in pbuilderrc)

> Thanks for all the help, and I hope people find this useful.
>
> Kumar



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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:56:25AM -0500, Joseph Rawson wrote:
> Using reprepro makes it easy to upload the new packages to an "experimental" 
> dist for testing, then call "reprepro -b /path/to/repos copysrc experimental 
> lenny-backports $srcname".  I had to learn this the hard way, because 
> occasionally some backported packages don't work properly.

Thanks for the tip. I'll note it down for reference.

> If you have a spare machine, or enough spare ram to run virtualbox, you may 
> want to take a look at cowpoke (in the devscripts package).  Cowpoke will run 
> cowbuilder on a remote machine (or VM if you use virtualbox).  Here you get 
> the benefit of having a build log saved for you, having lintian run on the 
> result (you may not care about this) and also having the .changes file signed 
> (you may not care about this either).

True. But it's a personal machine, and only for a few packages.

> On a related note, I've been spending the last week on rebuilding lenny 
> packages using alternative CFLAGS and -march options.  I have a friend who's 
> running gentoo, and he keeps telling me that they have a better system for 
> building packages with the options the you select.  I decided to try and make 
> my own quick, sloppy build system using multiple buildd's with cowpoke as an 
> example.  I've had mixed results with some packages honoring those options 
> and other packages ignoring them.  It's been a very interesting experiment.

This interests me a lot. I have been thinking for a long time about
the "Gentoo" way, and I've been thinking why it should be any
different for Debian. Let me detail you on what my idea is, since
you've pretty much been doing something similar.

Suppose there is a Debian package, which uses configure and supports
several options using the many --enable- flags, or,
alternately, disables some in a similar manner. If you want a custom
package, you would have to do apt-get source , and manually edit
the rules file to enable or disable the options, or change the CFLAGS
or compiler options. Not too difficult, but it the method differs from
package to package. Why not alter the rules file to provide default
values, and alter itself according to the environment, or according to
some settings in a file like Gentoo's /etc/mk.conf?

To firm up my description, consider the case of mutt, or elinks. Say
you don't need mutt's IMAP support or SMTP support, or elinks' 256
colour support. It's not too tough to get the source package, modify
one or two lines, and build it. But what I am hoping for is something
like

USE="-smtp -imap" debuild

or the like, and other options such as compiler flags can also be
specified. This is much less kludgey, and is much automated, like
Gentoo.

Granted, this would require the modification of debian/rules files to
be sensitive to the environment variables, but I was still hopeful
that if we can formulate a standard to adhere to, we could propose
this to some package maintainers for packages where it could make a
difference (smaller executable sizes, faster/more optimized
performance for number crunching etc.).

Do you think this is a good idea?

Thanks.

Kumar


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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:02:02AM -0500, Joseph Rawson wrote:
> > I was also thinking about an automated dch to increase the version to
> > something like ${VER}~mybpo1, or some such thing. I leave it to you to
> > suggest some sane method my which this can be achieved.
> >
> using ~ decreases the version.
> 
> Try this:
> dpkg-source -x  dscfile
> pushd $src-$ver
> dch -l mybpo
> dpkg-buildpackage -S (It's rare, but sometimes you may need a builddep 
> installed for this, such as po4a).
> popd
> dupload $src-$newver_source.changes
> cowbuilder $src-$newver.dsc (use -B for DEBBUILDOPTS in pbuilderrc)

Right. I can adapt something like this to my workflow.

Thanks.

Kumar


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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:02:09AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:33:36PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > > > And Andrei suggested that I use apt-get source. But I still need to
> > > > > determine some file names using the version of the package, for which
> > > > > I need to parse the sources file. I have to think of an elegant way to
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe it's easier to parse the output of 'apt-cache showsrc'.
> > > 
> > > That would help. Thanks again, Andrei.
> > 
> > How about adding deb-src line in chroot pointing to unstable archive?
> > 
> > Then apt-get source "any-binary" will run in chroot to get pertinent 
> 
> I am not sure how this would help, as I run apt-get source outside of
> the chroot, right?

Yes.  My mistake. Time to sleep :-)  My point was apt-get source is smart
enough to figure out source package from binary package name.
 
> > I think adding some version using "dch" should help reduce version name
> > confusion of build package.  dch is in devscript.
> 
> I was also thinking about an automated dch to increase the version to
> something like ${VER}~mybpo1, or some such thing. I leave it to you to
> suggest some sane method my which this can be achieved.

I usually do "dch" and manually do things only.

If you wish to automte, you should read man page and experiment it.
Reading source for --bpo option may be interesting. 

You may wish to read some packaged commands such as pentium-builder
which may have some trick for bumping version.

Oh reading version policy of bpo is also interesting.

> Thanks for all the help, and I hope people find this useful.

Good luck.

Osamu


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Re: liable NIC for kernel 2.6.18

[Florian Kriener]

On m...@nurfuerspam.de wrote:
> I'm looking for a PCI NIC with one or two RJ45 connectors that is known
> to be supported 100% from the Linux Kernel 2.6.18. The system is
> intended to run 24/7, but the data rates are not too high, so 100MBit
> should do it. At the moment, a Marvell/Yukon based on-board NIC is used
> that unfortunatly does not work reliably, neither with the standard
> sky2 driver nor the sk98lin driver. For that reason I want to add an
> additional NIC that is known to work very reliably.

Try the Intel cards. They work very well and are quite cheap (the 100Mbit 
cards).


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Re: resize2fs: Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4a665bf5.2090...@cox.net>, Ron Johnson wrote:
>On 2009-07-21 11:51, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <4a655762.6020...@cox.net>, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Then still I don't see the real gain to separating /usr and
>>> /usr/local into their own partitions.
>>
>> /usr is managed by the distribution I have installed currently.
>> /usr/local is managed by me, and moves with me when I change
>> distributions, like /home.
>
>I just back it and then restore to new system... ;)

I don't have to wait for data to transfer or put additional stress on the 
hardware with reads/writes.  My /usr/local is < 1GiB, so it doesn't matter 
much.  /home stays much bigger, though.
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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,22.Jul.09, 09:18:11, Kumar Appaiah wrote:

[rebuilding packages with different flags/options]

You might be interested in this:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00044.html

The thread (is quite big) starts here:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00732.html

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Re: sudo logging

[Scott Gifford]

Berthold Cogel  writes:

[...]

> We're doing somthing like this in /etc/sudoers:
>
>
> Cmnd_AliasSHELLS =/bin/sh, \
>   /bin/bash, \
>   /bin/bash2, \

[...]

> TRUSTED_USR  ALL = NOPASSWD:  ALL ,!SHELLS, NOROOT

This works well for letting users know they shouldn't be running a
shell, but beyond that it can be easily bypassed.  A user could run vi
then type ":!/bin/bash" to get a shell, for example, or copy /bin/bash
into their home directory and run it from there.

---Scott.


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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <200907221325.01147.aries...@clearmail.com.au>, Charlie wrote:
>I was recently informed that my signature had a problem rendering
> correctly on someone's mailer - deliniter incorrect - and was told that
> my signature "Linux Debian" should read "Debian GNU/Linux" because:
> "considering that the majority of it is provided by GNU."

I'm not sure the GNU project produces the majority of Debian, by any metric.  
They do provide some of the core utilities (bash, sed, grep, cat, gzip, 
etc.).  However, X and KDE are a big part of Debian and either are a GNU 
project, neither is either of the official Debian kernels (Linux and 
kFreeBSD).

>I have added GNU - but it may be silly? My own prejudice was that Linux
> was first so should be first, that without it there would be no Debian?

1. Without Linux there *might* be no Debian.  GNU HURD was being worked on, 
and it would have been possible to use a *BSD kernel before that was 
finished.  However the viability of a Linux kernel and GNU userland 
definitely played a role in the founding of Debian beyond being technical 
solutions.

2. The GNU project was around for years before Linux was published.

> Or as I asked my correspondent, who never replied, would there have been
> an OpenBSD Debian or something like that?

It could have been technically possible, but I think it is reasonable to say 
that Debian would be very different without Linux, if it would even exist.

> Then should GNU go before
> Debian or after? Or not be there at all? 

From what I understand, the official name of the product is "Debian 
GNU/Linux" and the official name of the project is just "Debian".  I thought 
the GNU/kFreeBSD port became official with Lenny, but perhaps I am mistaken; 
I can't find any support for that statement.

> Even if most comes from GNU
> Debian is the one that creates it so?

Debian doesn't *create* much software.[1]  They do a lot of packaging and 
bug-wrangling, but Debian depends on upstream being available to add 
features, write new software, and fix non-packaging non-security bugs.
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[1] Technically, Debian doesn't create any software, but many Debian 
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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 06:09:52PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed,22.Jul.09, 09:18:11, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> 
> [rebuilding packages with different flags/options]
> 
> You might be interested in this:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00044.html
> 
> The thread (is quite big) starts here:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00732.html

Wow! I am ashamed to have missed that! Thanks for pointing me to
it. I'll rake this issue up in that forum after reading the
discussions.

Kumar


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Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Xan]

Hi,

I have a NSLU2 device (armel computer). With Debian 5.0.2 installed. I 
cannot use reportbug because exim4 is not configured properly but 
it's not the story.


I have two possible bugs of too much dependencies:


1) When I want to install php5, apt install me apache2 packages. I think 
that php5 should depend on www-server not specifically on apache.


For example, if I install cherokee and php5, apt should not install apache.

You can see it here:

apt-get install php5 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree  
Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:
 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 
libapr1 libaprutil1 libmysqlclient15off libpq5 mysql-common openssl

 openssl-blacklist php5-common ssl-cert
Suggested packages:
 apache2-doc apache2-suexec apache2-suexec-custom php-pear ca-certificates
The following NEW packages will be installed:
 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 
libapr1 libaprutil1 libmysqlclient15off libpq5 mysql-common openssl

 openssl-blacklist php5 php5-common ssl-cert
0 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Inst openssl (0.9.8g-15+lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)

Inst openssl-blacklist (0.4.2 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Inst libapr1 (1.2.12-5 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Inst mysql-common (5.0.51a-24+lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Inst libmysqlclient15off (5.0.51a-24+lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)

Inst libpq5 (8.3.7-0lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Inst libaprutil1 (1.2.12+dfsg-8+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Inst apache2-utils (2.2.9-10+lenny4 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Inst apache2.2-common (2.2.9-10+lenny4 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Inst apache2-mpm-prefork (2.2.9-10+lenny4 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Inst php5-common (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Inst libapache2-mod-php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Inst php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)

Inst ssl-cert (1.0.23 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Conf openssl (0.9.8g-15+lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)

Conf openssl-blacklist (0.4.2 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Conf libapr1 (1.2.12-5 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Conf mysql-common (5.0.51a-24+lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Conf libmysqlclient15off (5.0.51a-24+lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)

Conf libpq5 (8.3.7-0lenny1 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Conf libaprutil1 (1.2.12+dfsg-8+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable)
Conf apache2-utils (2.2.9-10+lenny4 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Conf apache2.2-common (2.2.9-10+lenny4 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Conf apache2-mpm-prefork (2.2.9-10+lenny4 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Conf php5-common (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Conf libapache2-mod-php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
Conf php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 Debian:5.0.2/stable, 
Debian-Security:5.0/stable)

Conf ssl-cert (1.0.23 Debian:5.0.2/stable)


and
apt-get install cherokee php5 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree  
Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:
 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 
libapr1 libaprutil1 libcherokee-base0 libcherokee-client0 
libcherokee-config0
 libcherokee-server0 libmysqlclient15off libpq5 mysql-common openssl 
openssl-blacklist php5-common ssl-cert

Suggested packages:
 apache2-doc apache2-suexec apache2-suexec-custom php-pear ca-certificates
The following NEW packages will be installed:
 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common cherokee 
libapache2-mod-php5 libapr1 libaprutil1 libcherokee-base0 
libcherokee-client0
 libcherokee-config0 libcherokee-server0 libmysqlclient15off libpq5 
mysql-common openssl openssl-blacklist php5 php5-common ssl-cert

0 upgraded, 19 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

So apache2 should be suggested no depended.


2) when I install ikiwiki, the same appears:

apt-get install ikiwiki -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree  
Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:
 binutils ca-certificates cpp cpp-4.3 gcc gcc-4.3 libapr1 libaprutil1 
libauthen-dechpwd-perl libauthen-passphrase-perl libc6-dev libcache-perl
 libcgi-formbuilder-perl libcgi-session-perl libclass-errorhandler-perl 
libcompress-raw-zlib-perl libcompress-zlib-perl libcrypt-blowfish-perl
 libcrypt-des-perl libcrypt-dh-perl libcrypt-eksblowfish-perl 
libcrypt-mysql-perl libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl libcrypt-rijndael-perl
 libcrypt-unixcrypt-xs-perl libdata-entropy-perl libdata-float-perl 
libdata-integer-perl libdbi-perl libdigest-hmac-perl libdigest-md4-perl 
libdigest-perl
 libdigest-sha1-perl libfile-nfslock-perl libfont-afm-perl li

Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Joseph Rawson]

On Wednesday 22 July 2009 09:18:11 Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:56:25AM -0500, Joseph Rawson wrote:
> > Using reprepro makes it easy to upload the new packages to an
> > "experimental" dist for testing, then call "reprepro -b /path/to/repos
> > copysrc experimental lenny-backports $srcname".  I had to learn this the
> > hard way, because occasionally some backported packages don't work
> > properly.
>
> Thanks for the tip. I'll note it down for reference.
>
> > If you have a spare machine, or enough spare ram to run virtualbox, you
> > may want to take a look at cowpoke (in the devscripts package).  Cowpoke
> > will run cowbuilder on a remote machine (or VM if you use virtualbox). 
> > Here you get the benefit of having a build log saved for you, having
> > lintian run on the result (you may not care about this) and also having
> > the .changes file signed (you may not care about this either).
>
> True. But it's a personal machine, and only for a few packages.
>
> > On a related note, I've been spending the last week on rebuilding lenny
> > packages using alternative CFLAGS and -march options.  I have a friend
> > who's running gentoo, and he keeps telling me that they have a better
> > system for building packages with the options the you select.  I decided
> > to try and make my own quick, sloppy build system using multiple buildd's
> > with cowpoke as an example.  I've had mixed results with some packages
> > honoring those options and other packages ignoring them.  It's been a
> > very interesting experiment.
>
> This interests me a lot. I have been thinking for a long time about
> the "Gentoo" way, and I've been thinking why it should be any
> different for Debian. Let me detail you on what my idea is, since
> you've pretty much been doing something similar.
>
> Suppose there is a Debian package, which uses configure and supports
> several options using the many --enable- flags, or,
> alternately, disables some in a similar manner. If you want a custom
> package, you would have to do apt-get source , and manually edit
> the rules file to enable or disable the options, or change the CFLAGS
> or compiler options. Not too difficult, but it the method differs from
> package to package. Why not alter the rules file to provide default
> values, and alter itself according to the environment, or according to
> some settings in a file like Gentoo's /etc/mk.conf?
>
> To firm up my description, consider the case of mutt, or elinks. Say
> you don't need mutt's IMAP support or SMTP support, or elinks' 256
> colour support. It's not too tough to get the source package, modify
> one or two lines, and build it. But what I am hoping for is something
> like
>
> USE="-smtp -imap" debuild
>
> or the like, and other options such as compiler flags can also be
> specified. This is much less kludgey, and is much automated, like
> Gentoo.
>
> Granted, this would require the modification of debian/rules files to
> be sensitive to the environment variables, but I was still hopeful
> that if we can formulate a standard to adhere to, we could propose
> this to some package maintainers for packages where it could make a
> difference (smaller executable sizes, faster/more optimized
> performance for number crunching etc.).
>
> Do you think this is a good idea?
>
While I think it's a good idea, making a proposal that would be acceptable 
won't be easy.  One reason is that each USE flag would have to be well 
specified or defined so that its meaning is clear.  The actual use of those 
USE flags would only be for those people who would be building their own 
distribution based from the debian sources.  It would be unreasonable for 
debian to try and distribute binaries for different combinations of those 
flags (or even a small subset of commonly expected combinations).  However, 
debian already does ship binaries with a common "USE combination", which is 
close to USE="this that +kitchen-sink" (at least mostly, some sources are 
split into multiple binaries that effectively use different USE flags).

Things would have to be done in a way that discourages people who would build 
packages using USE flags that diverge from the official builds from reporting 
bugs against those packages, as it would be way too difficult to determine 
where the bug is, what caused it, etc.

In many situations, not only would it be necessary to modify the rules file, 
but also the control file.  On certain packages, it may even be required to 
modify some of the postint, preinst.  On packages with *.install files in the 
debian/ directory, it may be difficult for the maintainer to know which files 
may or may not be present with respect to how it was configured or built, 
based on the USE flags.  In some cases, entire packages would have to be 
removed from the control file, as the USE flags wouldn't allow them to be 
built.  This can possibly cause problems further down in the package tree, 
where another package depends on the packag

Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Joseph Rawson]

On Wednesday 22 July 2009 09:18:11 Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:56:25AM -0500, Joseph Rawson wrote:
> > Using reprepro makes it easy to upload the new packages to an
> > "experimental" dist for testing, then call "reprepro -b /path/to/repos
> > copysrc experimental lenny-backports $srcname".  I had to learn this the
> > hard way, because occasionally some backported packages don't work
> > properly.
>
> Thanks for the tip. I'll note it down for reference.
>
> > If you have a spare machine, or enough spare ram to run virtualbox, you
> > may want to take a look at cowpoke (in the devscripts package).  Cowpoke
> > will run cowbuilder on a remote machine (or VM if you use virtualbox). 
> > Here you get the benefit of having a build log saved for you, having
> > lintian run on the result (you may not care about this) and also having
> > the .changes file signed (you may not care about this either).
>
> True. But it's a personal machine, and only for a few packages.
>
> > On a related note, I've been spending the last week on rebuilding lenny
> > packages using alternative CFLAGS and -march options.  I have a friend
> > who's running gentoo, and he keeps telling me that they have a better
> > system for building packages with the options the you select.  I decided
> > to try and make my own quick, sloppy build system using multiple buildd's
> > with cowpoke as an example.  I've had mixed results with some packages
> > honoring those options and other packages ignoring them.  It's been a
> > very interesting experiment.
>
> This interests me a lot. I have been thinking for a long time about
> the "Gentoo" way, and I've been thinking why it should be any
> different for Debian. Let me detail you on what my idea is, since
> you've pretty much been doing something similar.
>
> Suppose there is a Debian package, which uses configure and supports
> several options using the many --enable- flags, or,
> alternately, disables some in a similar manner. If you want a custom
> package, you would have to do apt-get source , and manually edit
> the rules file to enable or disable the options, or change the CFLAGS
> or compiler options. Not too difficult, but it the method differs from
> package to package. Why not alter the rules file to provide default
> values, and alter itself according to the environment, or according to
> some settings in a file like Gentoo's /etc/mk.conf?
>
> To firm up my description, consider the case of mutt, or elinks. Say
> you don't need mutt's IMAP support or SMTP support, or elinks' 256
> colour support. It's not too tough to get the source package, modify
> one or two lines, and build it. But what I am hoping for is something
> like
>
> USE="-smtp -imap" debuild
>
> or the like, and other options such as compiler flags can also be
> specified. This is much less kludgey, and is much automated, like
> Gentoo.
>
> Granted, this would require the modification of debian/rules files to
> be sensitive to the environment variables, but I was still hopeful
> that if we can formulate a standard to adhere to, we could propose
> this to some package maintainers for packages where it could make a
> difference (smaller executable sizes, faster/more optimized
> performance for number crunching etc.).
>
> Do you think this is a good idea?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kumar

BTW, I almost forgot.  You may want to take a look at this:

http://www.emdebian.org/

There is a lot of interesting ideas here about rebuilding packages for an 
embedded environment, and many of these ideas are useful for helping to make 
a customized distribution, regardless of whether the target is embedded or 
not.


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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 05:11:43PM +0200, Xan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a NSLU2 device (armel computer). With Debian 5.0.2 installed. I  
> cannot use reportbug because exim4 is not configured properly but  
> it's not the story.
>
> I have two possible bugs of too much dependencies:
>
>
> 1) When I want to install php5, apt install me apache2 packages. I think  
> that php5 should depend on www-server not specifically on apache.
>
> For example, if I install cherokee and php5, apt should not install apache.
>
> You can see it here:
>
> apt-get install php5 -s

look at apt-cache show php5, you will see that it is a meta package
that depends on the following:

...
Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13) | libapache-mod-php5
(>= 5.2.0-8+etch13) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13), php5-common (>=
5.2.0-8+etch13)
...


The '|' means 'or'. apt-get is just pulling in the first one on the
list which then forces an install of apache. Simply install php5-cgi
at the same time (or before) php5 and you should be fine. 

[...]
> and
> apt-get install cherokee php5 -s

same problem as above. Although cherokee provides httpd-cgi, php5
doesn't depend on that... it depends on one of three specific
interfaces as shown above. hope that makes it clear.

so, to answer your question, no I don't think it's a bug, just a
misunderstanding of how the dependencies work. Php in fact does not
depend on a web server at all, but if you install the php5 meta
package you will get some kind of interface to a webserver because
that is the purpose of the meta package -- to provide a fully working
php system, I suppose. If you wanted, you could just install
php5-common and not use it with a web server at all, though there are
surely better languages for that purpose...

[...]

>
>
> 2) when I install ikiwiki, the same appears:
>
> apt-get install ikiwiki -s
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree  Reading state information... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:

[... snip long list of packages to install...]

> Really it's a huge dependencies. ikiwiki it's just a wiki written in  
> perl. I understand that need some libraries, but why it needs cpp,  
> openssl or subversion for example?. Actually the use of RCS in ikiwiki  
> is optional.

I can't speak to this, but again, read the contents of apt-cache show
ikiwiki. It has pretty significant dependencies including a
c-compiler, for what purpose, I don't know, though I use ikiwiki
myself. I *believe*, without actually researching it, that it is
compiling the perl scripts. Also, subversion (and the other RCS's
listed) are Recommended. You must have an option set somewhere to
force installation of Recommend. man apt-get et al for details.

hth

A


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Re: Maintaining personal backports

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:57:28AM -0500, Joseph Rawson wrote:
> > Granted, this would require the modification of debian/rules files to
> > be sensitive to the environment variables, but I was still hopeful
> > that if we can formulate a standard to adhere to, we could propose
> > this to some package maintainers for packages where it could make a
> > difference (smaller executable sizes, faster/more optimized
> > performance for number crunching etc.).
> >
> > Do you think this is a good idea?
> >
> While I think it's a good idea, making a proposal that would be acceptable 
> won't be easy.  One reason is that each USE flag would have to be well 
> specified or defined so that its meaning is clear.  The actual use of those 
> USE flags would only be for those people who would be building their own 
> distribution based from the debian sources.  It would be unreasonable for 
> debian to try and distribute binaries for different combinations of those 
> flags (or even a small subset of commonly expected combinations).  However, 
> debian already does ship binaries with a common "USE combination", which is 
> close to USE="this that +kitchen-sink" (at least mostly, some sources are 
> split into multiple binaries that effectively use different USE flags).

Exactly. It is the kitchen sink and compiler flags which I want to
attack with this proposal.

> Things would have to be done in a way that discourages people who would build 
> packages using USE flags that diverge from the official builds from reporting 
> bugs against those packages, as it would be way too difficult to determine 
> where the bug is, what caused it, etc.

One could claim that this might result in bug reports being filed,
where users use packages which are built "unofficially". While I agree
that this is a problem, people could just as well download the source,
make changes, and build it and end up with unofficial packages, and
file bugs much the same way.

This, I believe, should not be the biggest detriment though, or so I
feel, as I read through the rest of your mail.

> In many situations, not only would it be necessary to modify the rules file, 
> but also the control file.  On certain packages, it may even be required to 
> modify some of the postint, preinst.  On packages with *.install files in the 
> debian/ directory, it may be difficult for the maintainer to know which files 
> may or may not be present with respect to how it was configured or built, 
> based on the USE flags.  In some cases, entire packages would have to be 
> removed from the control file, as the USE flags wouldn't allow them to be 
> built.  This can possibly cause problems further down in the package tree, 
> where another package depends on the package that was removed.

A simple example is a package which has a command line interface as
well as a GTK+ based interface. By switching some options, if we make
the GTK+ interface redundant, the install files will now be
incorrect, and maybe the -gtk binary package might not be built
(or built empty)

> It's been taking me a while to think through this as I've been writing.  In 
> the meantime, I've seen that you've already received a response pointing to a 
> thread on debian-devel.  I've just skimmed through it, and it seems to be 
> mainly concerned more with CFLAGS and such, rather than USE flags.  Most of 
> what I've been doing is related to this, as I have had no desire to change 
> the way that the packages are related to one another, only in how they are 
> built.  I think that it's better to start along those lines, rather than try 
> to propose a "USE flags" policy, due to my reasoning above.  There is a very 
> large difference between those two ideas.

I agree. Let me look at the build option customization first, as that
might be an easier thing to tackle.

In this context, I've toyed around with apt-build, and even submitted
a few patches. But my unhappiness with it is because it tries to work
around the limitation in the build system with regard to compiler
flags, and thus, may fail for corner cases. A more systematic approach
to compiler flag customization would be welcome. I would like to
discuss this further with you sometime, maybe off list first, then in
debian-devel, maybe, since this is becoming off-topic for debian-user.

Thanks for the fine arguments and comments.

Kumar


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Open Office question.

[I Rattan]

I did dist-upgrade and the new openffice (3.1)
and it does display a .php file (goal is to convert
to .txt), the older version did do this function.

Any ideas?
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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-07-22 18:06 +0200, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 05:11:43PM +0200, Xan wrote:
>> apt-get install php5 -s
>
> look at apt-cache show php5, you will see that it is a meta package
> that depends on the following:
>
> ...
> Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13) | libapache-mod-php5
> (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13), php5-common (>=
> 5.2.0-8+etch13)
> ...
>
>
> The '|' means 'or'. apt-get is just pulling in the first one on the
> list which then forces an install of apache. Simply install php5-cgi
> at the same time (or before) php5 and you should be fine. 

Note that if you install them at the same time, you must list php5-cgi
_before_ php5 at the command line, because otherwise the apt resolver
would still bring in libapache2-mod-php5.  See bug #122304¹ and its
siblings for details.

Sven


¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=122304


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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Xan]

En/na Andrew Sackville-West ha escrit:

look at apt-cache show php5, you will see that it is a meta package
that depends on the following:

...
Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13) | libapache-mod-php5
(>= 5.2.0-8+etch13) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.0-8+etch13), php5-common (>=
5.2.0-8+etch13)
...


The '|' means 'or'. apt-get is just pulling in the first one on the
list which then forces an install of apache. Simply install php5-cgi
at the same time (or before) php5 and you should be fine. 
  


Thanks, Andrew. Now I understand. I have to install any of the packages 
with php5 depends for.




[
  
Really it's a huge dependencies. ikiwiki it's just a wiki written in  
perl. I understand that need some libraries, but why it needs cpp,  
openssl or subversion for example?. Actually the use of RCS in ikiwiki  
is optional.



I can't speak to this, but again, read the contents of apt-cache show
ikiwiki. It has pretty significant dependencies including a
c-compiler, for what purpose, I don't know, though I use ikiwiki
myself. I *believe*, without actually researching it, that it is
compiling the perl scripts. Also, subversion (and the other RCS's
listed) are Recommended. You must have an option set somewhere to
force installation of Recommend. man apt-get et al for details.

hth

A
  
Maybe other person could enlight us really c-compiler or subversion 
are needed?


$ apt-cache show ikiwiki
Package: ikiwiki
Priority: optional
Section: web
Installed-Size: 5880
Maintainer: Joey Hess 
Architecture: all
Version: 2.53.3
Replaces: ikiwiki-plugin-table
Provides: ikiwiki-plugin-table
Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16), markdown | libtext-markdown-perl, 
libhtml-scrubber-perl, libhtml-template-perl, libhtml-parser-perl, 
liburi-perl
Recommends: gcc | c-compiler, libc6-dev | libc-dev, subversion | 
git-core (>= 1:1.5.0) | tla | bzr (>= 0.91) | mercurial | monotone (>= 
0.38), libxml-simple-perl, libnet-openid-consumer-perl, 
liblwpx-paranoidagent-perl, libtimedate-perl, libcgi-formbuilder-perl 
(>= 3.05), libcgi-session-perl (>= 4.14-1), libmail-sendmail-perl, 
libauthen-passphrase-perl
Suggests: viewvc | gitweb | viewcvs, libsearch-xapian-perl, xapian-omega 
(>= 1.0.5), librpc-xml-perl, libtext-wikiformat-perl, python, 
python-docutils, polygen, tidy, libxml-feed-perl, libmailtools-perl, 
perlmagick, libfile-mimeinfo-perl, libcrypt-ssleay-perl, 
liblocale-gettext-perl (>= 1.05-1), libtext-typography-perl, 
libtext-csv-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl, graphviz, libnet-amazon-s3-perl

Conflicts: ikiwiki-plugin-table
Filename: pool/main/i/ikiwiki/ikiwiki_2.53.3_all.deb
Size: 917156


So only depends on:
perl (>= 5.6.0-16), markdown | libtext-markdown-perl, 
libhtml-scrubber-perl, libhtml-template-perl, libhtml-parser-perl, 
liburi-perl


so why subversion and gcc are installed?

Xan.


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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Xan]

En/na Sven Joachim ha escrit:



Note that if you install them at the same time, you must list php5-cgi
_before_ php5 at the command line, because otherwise the apt resolver
would still bring in libapache2-mod-php5.  See bug #122304¹ and its
siblings for details.

Sven


¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=122304
  

Mmmm interesting very interesting bug

Thanks,
Xan.


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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Qua, 22 Jul 2009, Xan wrote:
Maybe other person could enlight us really c-compiler or  
subversion are needed?


They aren't really needed.


$ apt-cache show ikiwiki
Package: ikiwiki
Priority: optional
Section: web
Installed-Size: 5880
Maintainer: Joey Hess 
Architecture: all
Version: 2.53.3
Replaces: ikiwiki-plugin-table
Provides: ikiwiki-plugin-table
Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16), markdown | libtext-markdown-perl,  
libhtml-scrubber-perl, libhtml-template-perl, libhtml-parser-perl,  
liburi-perl
Recommends: gcc | c-compiler, libc6-dev | libc-dev, subversion |  
git-core (>= 1:1.5.0) | tla | bzr (>= 0.91) | mercurial | monotone  
(>= 0.38), libxml-simple-perl, libnet-openid-consumer-perl,  
liblwpx-paranoidagent-perl, libtimedate-perl,  
libcgi-formbuilder-perl (>= 3.05), libcgi-session-perl (>= 4.14-1),  
libmail-sendmail-perl, libauthen-passphrase-perl
Suggests: viewvc | gitweb | viewcvs, libsearch-xapian-perl,  
xapian-omega (>= 1.0.5), librpc-xml-perl, libtext-wikiformat-perl,  
python, python-docutils, polygen, tidy, libxml-feed-perl,  
libmailtools-perl, perlmagick, libfile-mimeinfo-perl,  
libcrypt-ssleay-perl, liblocale-gettext-perl (>= 1.05-1),  
libtext-typography-perl, libtext-csv-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl,  
graphviz, libnet-amazon-s3-perl

Conflicts: ikiwiki-plugin-table
Filename: pool/main/i/ikiwiki/ikiwiki_2.53.3_all.deb
Size: 917156


So only depends on:
perl (>= 5.6.0-16), markdown | libtext-markdown-perl,  
libhtml-scrubber-perl, libhtml-template-perl, libhtml-parser-perl,  
liburi-perl


so why subversion and gcc are installed?


They are recommends, and recommends are installed by default. But you  
can change this.


As for why they are recommended, I have no idea.


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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Kapil Hari Paranjape]

Hello,

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Xan wrote:
> PS: Please, CC always debian-arm list (I'm just only subscribed here) or  
> CCme directly.

None of the bugs you describe are specific to the arm architecture
so you should really be sending your future reports about this to
debian-user and _not_ debian-arm.

> I have a NSLU2 device (armel computer). With Debian 5.0.2 installed. I  
> cannot use reportbug because exim4 is not configured properly

Use "reportbug -o bugreport.txt" to write the report to a file.

> 1) When I want to install php5, apt install me apache2 packages. I think  
> that php5 should depend on www-server not specifically on apache.
>
> For example, if I install cherokee and php5, apt should not install apache.

To use php5 with a browser other than apache you need to use php5-cgi
rather than libapache2-mod-php5. You will need to make this alternate
choice manually.

> Really it's a huge dependencies.

In Debian stable "lenny" apt automatically installs recommended
packages. If you want to select packages manually you can do so using
the aptitude front-end or by using "apt --no-install-recommends".

Regards,

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Keyboard layout problem in Debian Lenny

[Wim Herremans]

I have a fresh Debian Lenny installation.

During installation I chose the Belgian keyboard layout (an azerty layout).

After installation I only have a Belgian keyboard layout in the console, 
but in X it is the default US keyboard layout (a qwerty layout).


I can easily change the layout in GNOME (System -> Preferences -> 
Keyboard), but not in the GDM login window, which makes it very 
difficult to type user name and password.


I assume this is a bug, but does anybody know a work around for this 
problem?


Where does xserver-xorg get its information about the keyboard layout?

It is not coming from /etc/X11/xorg.conf. That file exists, but is empty.

I have also tried 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg'. debconf already 
knew that my keyboard should have a Belgian layout, but reconfiguring 
xserver-xorg did not have any effect on the keyboard layout that I 
actually get in X. It also left /etc/X11/xorg.conf empty.


I have also tried to remove the empty /etc/X11/xorg.conf. But then X 
does not start.


It is not coming from/etc/default/console-setup. That file did not exist 
after installation. After installing the package 'console-setup', the 
file /etc/default/console-setup existed and contained


XKBMODEL="pc105"
XKBLAYOUT="be"
XKBVARIANT=""
XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:rwin"

That is right, but still the keyboard layout under X remained 'US'.

It is also not coming from HAL. I have installed a file '10-keymap.fdi' 
in /etc/hal/fdi/policy

which contains a

be

line. I have also checked with the gnome-device-manager what HAL thinks 
my keyboard layout is. It thinks it is Belgian al right. But, still X 
stays with a US keyboard.







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Re: gotmail oddity

[j j]

hotmail allows pop3 access now.

> *POP server:* pop3.live.com (Port 995)
> *POP SSL required?* Yes
> *User name:* Your Windows Live ID, 
> for example yourname@
> hotmail .com
> *Password:* The password you usually use to sign in to Hotmail or Windows
> Live
> *SMTP server:* smtp.live.com (Port 25)
> *Authentication required?* Yes (this matches your POP username and
> password)
> *TLS/SSL required?* Yes

via
http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> I put together a .gotmailrc file as documented in the gotmail man page and
> ran gotmail.  The message I got back was no action specified on form page.
> What would be doing that?  So far as I can tell, there is a connect that
> does happen before this message comes up too.
>
>
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Re: Open Office question.

[j j]

Still can't open .php
but Bluefish editor can.
http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/


On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM, I Rattan  wrote:

>
> I did dist-upgrade and the new openffice (3.1)
> and it does display a .php file (goal is to convert
> to .txt), the older version did do this function.
>
> Any ideas?
> -ishwar
>
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Re: Open Office question.

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 13:56 -0400, j j wrote:
> Still can't open .php
> but Bluefish editor can.
> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Last time I looked OOo tried to be a browser too (a horrible one),
maybe it is trying to run php on the code?

If so, somewhere in the Preferences you probably can disable that
misfeature.

Another thought: try Ctrl+U (commonplace for view page source) when
XXX.php is opened.

my 2¢
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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Xan]

In Debian stable "lenny" apt automatically installs recommended
packages. If you want to select packages manually you can do so using
the aptitude front-end or by using "apt --no-install-recommends".

Regards,

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Wow!!. Why that? I previous use debian and apt only install needed 
packages, not recommended. Can I set --no-install-recommends by default?


Thanks,
Xan.


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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:05:24PM +0200, Xan wrote:
>
>> In Debian stable "lenny" apt automatically installs recommended
>> packages. If you want to select packages manually you can do so using
>> the aptitude front-end or by using "apt --no-install-recommends".
>
> Wow!!. Why that? I previous use debian and apt only install needed  
> packages, not recommended. Can I set --no-install-recommends by default?

Add this line to /etc/apt/apt.conf:

APT::Install-Recommends "0";

HTH.

Kumar


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Re: Sadly... (was Re: normal firefox for debian lenny 64bit?)

[S. Fishpaste]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:47:50 -0400, Tony Baldwin in gmane.linux.debian.user 
wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 2009-07-21 09:59, Tim Tebbit wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Please keep a handle on top posting.
>>>
>> 
>> This is a lost battle, thanks to The Evil That Is GMail.
>> 
>
> You don't HAVE to top post using gmail.
> Note that I am using a gmail address (with imap via mutt or icedove, 
> usually, but still, even with the web interface, it only takes a second 
> to move one's cursor to the bottom of a message and trim accordingly.
> Using gmail, or any other webmail, is a poor excuse for not taking two 
> seconds to move the cursor and/or trim messages appropriately.


Agreed, even in the web interface Google provides an option to bottom post
via their options. One does have to set GMail to use plain text for that to
work though. Simple enough to do.

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Re: Squeeze update broke brasero

[Matteo Riva]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Matteo Riva wrote:
> Last update of testing broke the brasero package -- the package was
> removed and can't now be installed:
>
>  The following packages are BROKEN:
>    gnome-desktop-environment
>  The following NEW packages will be installed:
>    brasero
>  The following packages will be REMOVED:
>    nautilus-cd-burner{a}
>  0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>  Need to get 625kB of archives. After unpacking 1528kB will be freed.
>  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>    gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: nautilus-cd-burner (>= 2.24.0)
> but it is not installable
>  The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>
>  Remove the following packages:
>  gnome-desktop-environment
>
>  Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
>  gnome-volume-manager recommends nautilus-cd-burner
>  Score is -81

Anybody has this problem, or better a solution/workaround to this?
I can only install brasero at the cost of... all the gnome system


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Re: Keyboard layout problem in Debian Lenny

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:51:01 +0200
Wim Herremans  wrote:

Hello Wim,

> Where does xserver-xorg get its information about the keyboard layout?

Unless overridden, Xorg makes a "best guess".

> It is not coming from /etc/X11/xorg.conf. That file exists, but is
> empty.

Specify which layout you want in that file.  Settings there overrule
"best guess" above.  Google will help you locate examples form which you
can work out the correct format.

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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[Giuseppe Marinelli]

On Tuesday 21 July 2009 03:52:06 Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> thirstyh2o wrote:
> > Hi, folks.
> >
> > I'm coming from Ubuntu crowd where I spent last couple of years. Finally
> > decided:"Why 'Debian based', why not Debian itself".
> >
> > So to be. I've installed Debian 5.0.2 on my Dell Latitude D820 as dual
> > boot to my Ubuntu Jaunty.  The laptop has Nvidia video card on it. The
> > resolution and refresh rate were set properly by installer, and I was
> > quite pleased by that.
> >
> > Everything was just fine except... font rendering. I find that, font
> > rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny, where my eyes
> > start soring after 15-20 minutes.
> >
> > In Ubuntu I do use proprietary/restricted video drivers. But in Lenny,
> > since I'm not a gamer, I was willing to stick with default open source
> > driver.
>
> The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though
> it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume.
>
> > Hence the question, is there any way to improve font rendering with open
> > source driver or I'll have to install the proprietary one.
> >
> > Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the
> option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you
> might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take
> effect.

This is something I have been coping with since my switch to Linux.
I tried multiple font types (DejaVu, Bitstream, Liberation) and multiple 
configurations but I have not managed to get a decent font rendering yet.

The present configuration consists of the Liberation fonts with autohinter 
enabled, subpixel rendering enabled and bitmap fonts disabled but I don't 
find the rendering good enough.


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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Stefan Monnier]

> I'm not sure the GNU project produces the majority of Debian, by
> any metric.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't, because by and large "the GNU project"
doesn't produce any software.  It provides technical, philosophical,
ethical, and political support to help and encourage the development and
use of Free Software.

Part of that is to provide hosting services for some projects (on
savannah.gnu.org), but that usually doesn't count as "producing".

A GNU software package basically is a software whose author(s) have
decided they'd like to see their name associated with the "GNU", either
because they want to show their support for the GNU movement, or because
they want their software to benefit from the GNU "brand" and get some
publicity from it, or because they wanted to use the savannah.gnu.org
hosting service, or somesuch.

Of course, some software authors might be considered as "GNU coder"
either because they have gotten some money from the FSF at some point,
or because they've spent enormous amounts of efforts writing code almost
exclusively for GNU software.

What the GNU project has done is give a name and a visibility, defined
a set of guidelines (and licenses) and created the expectations that
define both the Open Source and the Free Software movement.  It's thanks
to the GNU project that we don't have to suffer nearly as much from
"somewhat Free" licenses (like the idiotic freeware, which still plagues
the Windows world) because people find them nowadays completely
unacceptable.  So the GNU project has shaped the world which made Debian
possible, and in this sense can be credited just as much for GNU
packages as for those packages which do not put "GNU" next to their name
(and even for those who refuse the GPL and/or consider the FSF as
dangerous lunatics).


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Re: Chroot can't find /sbin/getty

[John]

On (20/07/09 23:49), Javier Barroso wrote:
| Hi,
| On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:47 PM, John wrote:
| > I've run a chroot of stable, starting with sarge, currently etch, for 
several years. The relevant line in /etc/inittab has been 
"8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot /[chroot] /sbin/getty 38400 tty8" and it worked. 
Until the past month or so, when the chroot has consistently failed, with the 
following messages:
| >
| > /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command '/sbin/getty': No such file or 
directory
| > (repeated a number of times)
| Did you check $(ldd /sbin/getty) files inside your chroot (and the
| same /sbin/getty) are fine ?

Hi, Javier,

Since chroot fails, I am not sure, but there's a difference in what is
returned by ldd for /sbin/getty and /[chroot]/sbin/getty. What is
returned for the first includes " libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
(0xb7f5d000)" but the closest thing to a corresponding directory for
the chroot, /[chroot]/lib/i486-linux-gnu, is empty.  Does this mean
there's an issue with the chrooted libc6?

I confess, I'm a little out of my depth here. But thanks for thinking
about the issue and asking what seems a good question.

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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Stefan Monnier 
wrote:
>> I'm not sure the GNU project produces the majority of Debian, by
>> any metric.
>
>I'm pretty sure it doesn't, because by and large "the GNU project"
>doesn't produce any software.  It provides technical, philosophical,
>ethical, and political support to help and encourage the development and
>use of Free Software.
>
>Part of that is to provide hosting services for some projects (on
>savannah.gnu.org), but that usually doesn't count as "producing".
>
>A GNU software package basically is a software whose author(s) have
>decided they'd like to see their name associated with the "GNU", either
>because they want to show their support for the GNU movement, or because
>they want their software to benefit from the GNU "brand" and get some
>publicity from it, or because they wanted to use the savannah.gnu.org
>hosting service, or somesuch.

They also have to be accepted by the GNU project.  Usually this involves 
limiting or eliminating any non-free bits in their source tree, and not 
depending on non-free bits at build or run time, as well as passing some 
"usefulness" criteria which amounts to not being a complete copy of another 
piece of GNU software.

Saying GNU doesn't produce software is like saying Debian doesn't produce 
dpkg, apt-get, and aptitude.  It's true by some reasoning (Debian doesn't 
produce software; Debian Developers do), but not an incredibly useful 
position outside of determining the legal ownership of any "IP".  
Individuals do the work, but they do it as actor for the GNU Project with 
support from the GNU Project.

>What the GNU project has done is give a name and a visibility, defined
>a set of guidelines (and licenses) and created the expectations that
>define both the Open Source and the Free Software movement.

Guidelines with still enchant, enlighten, and drive new hackers to providing 
more value to society.

Big props to GNU, but when I'm talking about my OS, I use "Debian" or 
"Linux" and not "GNU" to describe it, and I don't have any problem with 
others doing the same.  I do try to use to official name in writing or 
formal presentations; GNU deserves big props.
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Re: Moving to Sid (was Re: normal firefox for debian lenny 64bit?)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:27:30 -0400, Damon wrote in message 
<1248190050.3741.40.ca...@dam-main>:

> On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 10:03 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 2009-07-21 08:46, Soren Orel wrote:
> > > But where can I download SID?? I just can't find an e.g.:
> > > "download amd64cd for sid"...:(
> > 
> > This is Debian, not Ubuntu!  Upgrading-in-place is Easy.
> > 
> > Presuming you have a good internet connection, this *should* be all 
> > you need to do:
> > 
> > 1. Edit sources.list, replacing all lenny or stable references with
> > testing.

..you meant "sid" or "unstable", "testing" buys you Squeeze 
and whatever follows it, and you volonteer as a test user, 
for Debian. ;o)

> > 2. # apt(itude) update && apt(itude) dist-upgrade
> > 
> > 3. Reboot. to activate new kernel.
> > 
> > 4. Edit sources.list, replacing testing with unstable.
> > 
> > 5. # apt(itude) update && apt(itude) dist-upgrade
> > 
> > 6. Reboot, to activate new kernel.

..steps 4, 5 and 6 are necessary why?  Me, I've 
always been successful going straight to Sid.
 
> > Certainly, though, I'm forgetting something.
> 
> You are:  comment out any reference to volatile and security updates.
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [Semi-OT] Need advice on AMD mobo

[lee]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:31:23AM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> Did you ever try to proceed like this:
> 
> "Would you please give me your name again, I forgot to note it. If
>  $STATEMENT is the official position of $COMPANY, i'll cite it on my
>  web page."

No, but nobody cares what I might put onto my web page. But I can try.

Gigabyte now wants me to send them one of my disks. As if it was my
problem to supply them with the hardware they need to do their job and
to fix bugs in their BIOSs. It's unbelieveable.

> Result: 10 minutes later a techie called me, explaining why they block
> smtp in both directions.  Not very convincing but hey, it's not a big
> deal when you have root permissions on your MX.

It's very simple with an ISP: When they block a port, I pay less. Why
fight with the support? Support idiots don't know what ports are.


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Re: exim4: fallback smart hosts

[lee]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 01:17:57PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> hello,
> 
> On 21/07/2009 lee wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:43:37AM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> > > Is it possible to configure a fallback smart host in exim4?
> > 
> > Afair it is possible by specifying several smart hosts instead of
> > one. You need to look it up in info exim4 or in the PDF manual, but
> > afair exim will try hosts on a host list one after another.
> 
> finally it was as simple as listing all smart hosts in a colon seperated
> list.

Yes, that is a hostlist. You can also make it so that outgoing mail is
routed via a particular smarthost depending on, for example, to which
domain the mail is sent.

> i do think that the configuration facilities have great advantages over
> plain conffile editing for unexperienced users. but they're not always
> an option for complicated setups.
> 
> in my case the facility does exactly what I would like it to do: it
> takes the colon-seperated smarthost list and gives it as argument to the
> rout_list in the smarthost manualroute.

How did it solve the problem of authenticating with the smarthosts?
You're not using open relays, are you?


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Re: Font (or color) problem on current unstable x86 box

[lee]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:16:41AM +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
> If you read the rest of my original message, it would appear to be a font
> that is missing, not a color.  My real question however is how I find out
> WHICH font (or color) is missing.

You're right, it can also be a font. Which font packages do you have
installed?

If there are some that aren't installed and a font is missing, you
could try to install a font package and see if it fixes the
problem. If it doesn't, purge it and try the next one --- though there
could be several fonts missing ... But a missing font shouldn't cause
an error like that.

There is:


xcolors - display all X11 color names and colors
xcolorsel - display colors and names in X


You could install them and see if they can display all colors.


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Re: MTA experts: address rewriting depending on next hop

[lee]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 01:03:01PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> 
> Here's the question again: which one of the abundance of MTAs in
> Debian is capable of address rewriting depending on destination?  

Exim4 can do this.

If I understand you right, you want to rewrite the addresses of mail
that is outgoing to hosts not on your LAN --- but you do not want to
rewrite the addresses of mail outgoing to other hosts on your LAN.

If that's what you want, you probably need to rewrite the addresses of
all mail that doesn't go to the domain used on your LAN. I assume that
you are running your own name server for the LAN --- if you don't, you
should. But then, why do you need to rewrite the addresses? Do you
want to use one host that does address rewriting as a smarthost, or do
you want to do address rewriting on all hosts on the LAN?

> I'm not to lazy to read documentation, but if at all possible not for
> all MTAs.

The documentation of Exim4 is outstanding. I haven't seen any better
for anything yet.


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Re: Chroot can't find /sbin/getty

[Javier Barroso]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:38 PM, John wrote:
> On (20/07/09 23:49), Javier Barroso wrote:
> | Hi,
> | On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:47 PM, John wrote:
> | > I've run a chroot of stable, starting with sarge, currently etch, for 
> several years. The relevant line in /etc/inittab has been 
> "8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot /[chroot] /sbin/getty 38400 tty8" and it 
> worked. Until the past month or so, when the chroot has consistently failed, 
> with the following messages:
> | >
> | > /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot run command '/sbin/getty': No such file or 
> directory
> | > (repeated a number of times)
> | Did you check $(ldd /sbin/getty) files inside your chroot (and the
> | same /sbin/getty) are fine ?
>
> Hi, Javier,
>
> Since chroot fails, I am not sure, but there's a difference in what is
> returned by ldd for /sbin/getty and /[chroot]/sbin/getty. What is
> returned for the first includes " libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
> (0xb7f5d000)" but the closest thing to a corresponding directory for
> the chroot, /[chroot]/lib/i486-linux-gnu, is empty.  Does this mean
> there's an issue with the chrooted libc6?
I think, you should have all files referencered in ldd
/[chroot]/sbin/getty output in your /[chroot]/ environment.

I had a similar problem, because my chroot was missing /lib64 directory

I don't know /lib/i486-linux-gnu directory meaning and if it is ok to
have it empty.

Good luck!


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Re: liable NIC for kernel 2.6.18

[lee]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 04:56:36PM +0200, Florian Kriener wrote:
> On m...@nurfuerspam.de wrote:
> > I'm looking for a PCI NIC with one or two RJ45 connectors that is known
> > to be supported 100% from the Linux Kernel 2.6.18.
> 
> Try the Intel cards. They work very well and are quite cheap (the 100Mbit 
> cards).

06:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 
(rev 05)
06:05.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 
(rev 05)

That's one card with two connectors, works fine with the e100
module. You can also look for 3com cards; they work as well.

Hm, are there any other manufacturers that make good network cards?


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Re: Open Office question.

[lee]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:12:40PM -0400, I Rattan wrote:
>
> I did dist-upgrade and the new openffice (3.1)
> and it does display a .php file (goal is to convert
> to .txt), the older version did do this function.

What's the difference between a php file and a text file?


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Re: OpenLdap manual howto available

[linuksos]

Great article. I must have a look at that ! thanks

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:35 AM, gn643202 wrote:
> Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>
>> Just an FYI.
>> I'm working on openldap howto for Debian.
>>
>> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/OpenLdap
>
> This is great, but:
>
>   Under "Connect to openldap" with luma you should note that nothing is in
> the Address Book.
>
>   Then under "Simple address book" >
>      "Create a file called directory.ldiff"
>   Where do you create it?   In /etc/ldap?
>
>   Maybe "Connect to openldap" and "Simple address book" should be reversed?
>
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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[debian]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:12:54 -0500
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  wrote:

> Big props to GNU, but when I'm talking about my OS, I use "Debian" or 
> "Linux" and not "GNU" to describe it, and I don't have any problem
> with others doing the same.  I do try to use to official name in
> writing or formal presentations; GNU deserves big props.

Actually, calling the OS "Debian" (or "Ubuntu", "Fedora," etc.) seems to
make the most sense. The next most logical choice, "Debian
GNU/Linux/Xorg/Mozilla/KDE/Sun/etc." gets pretty unwieldy.

Jeff


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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Roger Leigh]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:19:51AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <200907221325.01147.aries...@clearmail.com.au>, Charlie wrote:
> >I was recently informed that my signature had a problem rendering
> > correctly on someone's mailer - deliniter incorrect - and was told that
> > my signature "Linux Debian" should read "Debian GNU/Linux" because:
> > "considering that the majority of it is provided by GNU."
> 
> I'm not sure the GNU project produces the majority of Debian, by any metric.  
> They do provide some of the core utilities (bash, sed, grep, cat, gzip, 
> etc.).  However, X and KDE are a big part of Debian and either are a GNU 
> project, neither is either of the official Debian kernels (Linux and 
> kFreeBSD).

s/either/neither/ or your sentence makes little sense.

The degree to which various projects make up Debian as a proportion
of the total packages or total code size is irrelevant.  None of those
extra bits are part of the "operating system", they are merely software
running on top of the operating system.  Debian, as I see it,
provides in the distribution both the OS (essential/base and basic
toolchain) plus a lot of software that runs on top of this.

% /usr/share/misc/config.guess
x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
[or powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu on my other computer]

This indicates that I'm running a "linux-gnu" operating system on
an x86_64 computer architecture from an unknown vendor.  The
"linux" part indicates that I'm running a Linux kernel, while the
"gnu" part indicates that I'm running a GNU C library, which is
the major part of the platform ABI required for both C standard
library calls and system calls which trap into the kernel, as well
as other basic features such as the run-time linker.

For host triplets *-*-linux-gnu, the "GNU/Linux" moniker is very
much correct.  It *is* a GNU system running on top of a Linux kernel.
For embedded systems running other C libraries such as µlibc
(*-*-linux-ulibc), GNU/Linux is incorrect.  It's a Linux kernel, but
the system ABI is rather different from the GNU interface, and so
for all intents and purposes it's an entirely separate operating
system, being very much incompatible with GNU/Linux despite both
running identical Linux kernels.  You won't be able to run software
for linux-ulibc on GNU/Linux, since they are separate systems for all
intents and purposes.

> > Even if most comes from GNU
> > Debian is the one that creates it so?
> 
> Debian doesn't *create* much software.[1]  They do a lot of packaging and 
> bug-wrangling, but Debian depends on upstream being available to add 
> features, write new software, and fix non-packaging non-security bugs.

> [1] Technically, Debian doesn't create any software, but many Debian 
> Developers do create software either in their role as DDs or as part of 
> other projects.

I disagree here.  Debian is upstream as well as distributor for quite
a lot of software.  I write software specifically for Debian as a
Debian Developer (schroot, sbuild and other bits).  I'd say that those
were created by Debian, as is all software created by DDs in their
project role.  The Debian Project *is* its developers, and so if a
Developer creates something, the Project creates something.  Debian
writes a lot of software you depend upon intimately for your system
to work (dpkg, apt, initramfs, and a lot of other low-level glue).
DDs are also intimately involved with upstream development for many
upstream projects, and this is also work done by the Project, though
usually not by name.


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Re: Moving to Sid (was Re: normal firefox for debian lenny 64bit?)

[Damon Chesser]

On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 22:20 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:27:30 -0400, Damon wrote in message 
> <1248190050.3741.40.ca...@dam-main>:
> 
> > On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 10:03 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On 2009-07-21 08:46, Soren Orel wrote:
> > > > But where can I download SID?? I just can't find an e.g.:
> > > > "download amd64cd for sid"...:(
> > > 
> > > This is Debian, not Ubuntu!  Upgrading-in-place is Easy.
> > > 
> > > Presuming you have a good internet connection, this *should* be all 
> > > you need to do:
> > > 
> > > 1. Edit sources.list, replacing all lenny or stable references with
> > > testing.
> 
> ..you meant "sid" or "unstable", "testing" buys you Squeeze 
> and whatever follows it, and you volonteer as a test user, 
> for Debian. ;o)

Right you are!


> 
> > > 2. # apt(itude) update && apt(itude) dist-upgrade
> > > 
> > > 3. Reboot. to activate new kernel.
> > > 
> > > 4. Edit sources.list, replacing testing with unstable.
> > > 
> > > 5. # apt(itude) update && apt(itude) dist-upgrade
> > > 
> > > 6. Reboot, to activate new kernel.
> 
> ..steps 4, 5 and 6 are necessary why?  Me, I've 
> always been successful going straight to Sid.
>  
> > > Certainly, though, I'm forgetting something.
> > 
> > You are:  comment out any reference to volatile and security updates.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Scooty Puff, Sr
> > > The Doom-Bringer
> > > 
> > > 
> 
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Re: Font (or color) problem on current unstable x86 box

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 07:04:21AM EDT, David Goodenough wrote:

[..]

> Several programs (the first was the new Eclipse Galileo, then IceWeasel and
> now a locally compiled version of zenmap v5) have started to come up with
> an error:-

Since you compiled it, you have the source, right?

For starters, how about locating the function or whatever that issues
this tease of a message (font, color..? - what font/color..??) and fix
it so that it provides the information everybody's been waiting for?

CJ


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Re: [OT [OT] ] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:25:00PM EDT, Charlie wrote:

> Then should GNU go before Debian or after?

Big apple, green apple, bad apple.. they're all basically apples..

or are you talking about oranges..?

Sorry about about going one up on the OT.

CJ


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RE: How do I setup wireless network

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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <2009074953.ga29...@codelibre.net>, Roger Leigh wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:19:51AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> Debian doesn't *create* much software.[1]  They do a lot of packaging
>> and bug-wrangling, but Debian depends on upstream being available to add
>> features, write new software, and fix non-packaging non-security bugs.
>>
>> [1] Technically, Debian doesn't create any software, but many Debian
>> Developers do create software either in their role as DDs or as part of
>> other projects.
>
>I disagree here.  Debian is upstream as well as distributor for quite
>a lot of software.

If by "quite a lot" you mean "less than 5% of main", then yes.  That's just 
going off of the number of packages that use native packaging, so it has 
flaws.  Some "upstream == Debian" packages are non-native, some native 
packages don't have Debian as upstream.  Let me know if you can think of a 
better (scriptable) way to determine if a package has Debian as upstream.

>I write software specifically for Debian as a
>Debian Developer (schroot, sbuild and other bits).  I'd say that those
>were created by Debian, as is all software created by DDs in their
>project role.

Debian did not remunerate those developers for that specific effort, nor 
does it (as an organization) hold any legal claim to the software.

That's all I meant by "Debian doesn't create much software".  I wasn't 
trying to discount the software written by DDs to satisfy Debian needs.  
(/me loves my cowbuilder setups.)
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Re: [OT] GNU - Linux and Debian.......

[Chris Jones]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 04:27:05PM EDT, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I'm not sure the GNU project produces the majority of Debian, by
> > any metric.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it doesn't, because by and large "the GNU project"
> doesn't produce any software.  It provides technical, philosophical,
> ethical, and political support to help and encourage the development and
> use of Free Software.
> 
> Part of that is to provide hosting services for some projects (on
> savannah.gnu.org), but that usually doesn't count as "producing".
> 
> A GNU software package basically is a software whose author(s) have
> decided they'd like to see their name associated with the "GNU", either
> because they want to show their support for the GNU movement, or because
> they want their software to benefit from the GNU "brand" and get some
> publicity from it, or because they wanted to use the savannah.gnu.org
> hosting service, or somesuch.
> 
> Of course, some software authors might be considered as "GNU coder"
> either because they have gotten some money from the FSF at some point,
> or because they've spent enormous amounts of efforts writing code almost
> exclusively for GNU software.
> 
> What the GNU project has done is give a name and a visibility, defined
> a set of guidelines (and licenses) and created the expectations that
> define both the Open Source and the Free Software movement.  It's thanks
> to the GNU project that we don't have to suffer nearly as much from
> "somewhat Free" licenses (like the idiotic freeware, which still plagues
> the Windows world) because people find them nowadays completely
> unacceptable.  So the GNU project has shaped the world which made Debian
> possible, and in this sense can be credited just as much for GNU
> packages as for those packages which do not put "GNU" next to their name
> (and even for those who refuse the GPL and/or consider the FSF as
> dangerous lunatics).
> 
> 
> Stefan

Enlightening post. Thank you.

CJ


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Re: Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[root]

> They are recommends, and recommends are installed by default. But you can 
> change this.

How can this be changed?
I looked through the man pages for apt-get and the config file
but didn't see any way to do so.
TIA,
Mike


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Re: How do I setup wireless network

[Neal Hogan]

Get a computer witha wireless card and configure it.

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APT configuration file

[Kc9EYE]

Following the thread on apt defaulting to install recommends, I would
like to turn this option off. A previous poster stated to add this
line to the "/etc/apt/apt.conf" file: APT::Install-Recommends "0"; . I
would love to do that but I am unable as yet to find a file named
/etc/apt/apt.conf. I do however have one in the
/usr/share/doc/apt/examples directory. I do have a directory
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ containing configuration fragments. I also can
run apt-config dump and get a list of the configuration options that
apt is currently using, but I haven't been able to find out where
those options are being read from. In that list of options I have one
stating "Dir::Etc::main "apt.conf", yet there is no apt.conf in
/etc/apt. I have asked google repeatedly for any information
pertaining to apt configuration, apt.conf, apt howto. Yet can find
nothing on my MIA apt.conf. So, where exactly is apt-config dump
reading these configuration options from?
Thanks,

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Re: exim4: fallback smart hosts

[Jonas Meurer]

On 22/07/2009 lee wrote:
> > i do think that the configuration facilities have great advantages over
> > plain conffile editing for unexperienced users. but they're not always
> > an option for complicated setups.
> > 
> > in my case the facility does exactly what I would like it to do: it
> > takes the colon-seperated smarthost list and gives it as argument to the
> > rout_list in the smarthost manualroute.
> 
> How did it solve the problem of authenticating with the smarthosts?
> You're not using open relays, are you?

I simply added yet another line with smarthost:user:password to
/etc/exim4/passwd.client

greetings,
 jonas


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Re: APT configuration file

[Wayne Topa]

Kc9EYE wrote:

Following the thread on apt defaulting to install recommends, I would
like to turn this option off. A previous poster stated to add this
line to the "/etc/apt/apt.conf" file: APT::Install-Recommends "0"; . I
would love to do that but I am unable as yet to find a file named
/etc/apt/apt.conf. I do however have one in the
/usr/share/doc/apt/examples directory. I do have a directory
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ containing configuration fragments. I also can
run apt-config dump and get a list of the configuration options that
apt is currently using, but I haven't been able to find out where
those options are being read from. In that list of options I have one
stating "Dir::Etc::main "apt.conf", yet there is no apt.conf in
/etc/apt. I have asked google repeatedly for any information
pertaining to apt configuration, apt.conf, apt howto. Yet can find
nothing on my MIA apt.conf. So, where exactly is apt-config dump
reading these configuration options from?
Thanks,



YMMV but what I would do is
cp  /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf /etc/apt/

Now, you have a apt.conf file you can modify to suit your needs,
while referring to the apt.conf man page to understand what all those
entries mean.

Cheers

Wayne

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RE: How do I setup wireless network

[Ogya Chief]

_
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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:22:06 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

> The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though
> it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume.

Installed the proprietary driver but did not have a lot of improvements 
(if any) with it either.

> Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the
> option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you
> might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take
> effect.

Tried tweaking with it before the proprietary driver install and after it 
without any luck as well.



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linux articles / howto's

[Lubos Rendek]

Hi Guys,

I'm running a website http://www.linuxconfig.org/ where I'm trying to
promote a Linux operating system to beginners but also to intermediate
linux admins, with step by step guides on how to configure, install
and use software on Linux platform - for free ! ( free as a beer and
also free as a speech ).

Recently, I created a column on the linuxconfig.org main page where I
would like to present helpful linux articles/projects from other
websites/blogs and link to those articles from linuxconfig.org site (
see "Partner Linux Websites / Blogs"  on the main page ). The attempt
was already made to let people submit online, but I have received
large amount of SPAM and little legitimate content. Since I'm working
alone I do not really want to spend my time by removing SPAM messages,
so I had to even take off registration form from the website.

It seems that I have to take another approach so I'm wondering if
there is someone who would be interested in presenting/submitting
helpful linux articles/howtos on linuxconfig.org website. There is
also possibility on collaboration and creation of new
articles/howto's. Any other ideas are also welcome !

Feel free to contact me if you are interested or if you need more information.

thank you

lubos rendek
linuxconfig.org


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Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:36:34 +0200, Giuseppe Marinelli wrote:

> This is something I have been coping with since my switch to Linux. I
> tried multiple font types (DejaVu, Bitstream, Liberation) and multiple
> configurations but I have not managed to get a decent font rendering
> yet.
> 
> The present configuration consists of the Liberation fonts with
> autohinter enabled, subpixel rendering enabled and bitmap fonts disabled
> but I don't find the rendering good enough.

What puzzles me the most is the fact that I'm running both Ubuntu and 
Debian on the same very hardware, using now the same video driver, and in 
both cases using the  same fonts and settings, but in Ubuntu I do not 
have any problems with fonts at all.




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Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Hi,

root  writes:

>> They are recommends, and recommends are installed by default. But you
>> can change this
>
> How can this be changed?
> I looked through the man pages for apt-get and the config file
> but didn't see any way to do so.

Just add

   APT { Install-Recommends "false"; };
   
to /etc/apt/apt.conf.

Regards,
Ansgar


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Re: How do I setup wireless network

[thirstyh2o]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:56:51 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote:

> _ More
> than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/

I wonder why you last 2 post are empty?

Is it only me or others cannot read them either? I read all other posts 
just fine. What do you use as your newsreader?



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Debian Lenny amd64 hangs when loading parport module

[Jose Perez]

Hi all:

I recently bought a new PC like this:

Printer: HP Deskjet 920c (connected via USB cable)
Mainboard: MSI K9A2 Neo2 (This mainboard doesn't have a parallel port)
Processor: AMD Phenom X4
RAM: 8 GB
OS: Debian Lenny 5.0.2 amd64

After installing some base packages I installed cups and when it tried
to start CUPS daemon it hanged the whole system. I started to search
for the source of the problem and I found that when CUPS daemons start
it loads lp and parport modules (the later as a dependency of lp).

Everytime I try to load parport module the system hangs inmediately.
It happens the same when trying to load any module that depends of
parport. I'm not really sure if parport is it mandatory to start cups
but the LSB script tries to load lp and ppdev.

I tried to see log messages but I just found this at /var/log/messages
after loading lp module:

Jul 22 15:15:17 angel kernel: [  455.78] lp: driver loaded but no
devices found
Jul 22 15:15:17 angel kernel: [  455.804449] ppdev: user-space
parallel port driver

I can't see any segmentation fault nor kernel panic nor anything like
that, it seems that everything is OK but the system is freezed.

Does anybody here had a similar experience before? Could someone give
an idea to solve this issue? I don't know what to do 'cause I don't
even use a parallel port, I use USB port :(

Thanks


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Re: [SOLVED] new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)

[thirstyh2o]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:46:46 +, thirstyh2o wrote:

> font rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny

SOLVED. 

Since I did it long time ago I totally forgotten that I installed under 
Ubuntu MS TrueType fonts and configured X to use them. 

All I needed in Lenny was to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer package 
from repository and then to follow simple instructions in /usr/share/doc/
x-ttcidfont-conf/README.Debian file to configure X.

That's it. My fonts are as shiny as I used to have them under Ubuntu.

So, the issue was not exactly with the fonts rendering but rather with 
the fonts themselves. The default fonts are not the best. At least for my 
eyes.



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Re: How do I setup wireless network

[jeremy jozwik]

> I wonder why you last 2 post are empty?
>
> Is it only me or others cannot read them either? I read all other posts
> just fine. What do you use as your newsreader?

its not just you. i thought it was gmail and did not want to get a
maillist freakout in my direction.


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FWD: Re: Network email draft

[bouncy...@gmail.com]

Sending both parts of my question if clarification is required feel free to 
comment. This unfortunately went through a mobile phone

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:34:25 AM +
Subject: Re: Network email draft

so I guess the issues I need fixed are 1. historically getting past qwest DSL 
Router into the network would be required. Not just standard in/out internet 
traffic. 2. what specific hardware and cheapest ingredients [if any] I need to 
get past both switches and onto the internet 3. would confusion of 
switch==router historically be a problem? 4. would getting past the password 
protection on the router be very hard? [this was a concern when my dyn dns kept 
hitting an open config page
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:07:08 AM +
Subject: Network email draft

Ok so here is the issue I have a desire to run my own linux server as an rt box 
and to do wiki web serving plus email. I run off of a qwest dsl setup that is 
feeding 4 computers that are all getting internet in the following configuration
dsl non wireless model modem-switch-[a]windows xp home-[b]switch [same model as 
other linksys switch from [a] --[c] linux--[d] windows xp pro--[e] windows 2000 
. I will freely admit the following beforehand. 1. I just installed this 
network with the intention to share all the computers in the house for dsl 2. 
My idea of what was a `router` `gateway` `switch` was initiallyu sketchy at 
best. 3. I checked the intewrnwet beforehand and tried to setup "advanced port 
forwarding" with all the ports did initially 80 5rom the router copntrol system 
failed to work. 4 it seems that it was working for a while in my internal 
network under dyndns but it failed when testing on a work web browser. 5. 
dyndns didn`t work as the machine didn`t route the traffic out of my home even 
when directly ordered to by the dsl router-machines on the inside could though 
6. I am looking for the best option for the money I lioke cheap and I like 
something that gives all comps access  but allows me my fileserving
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migrating mantis 1.0.6 to 1.1.6

[3b4rc0]

Hi,
How to can I migrate mantis 1.0.6 mysql db to mantis 1.1.6 mysql db?
The database tables are not the same.
I have mantis 1.0.6 on linux rpm distro.

thanks!
3b4rc0

Re: How do I setup wireless network

[Robert Holtzman]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, thirstyh2o wrote:


On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:56:51 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote:


_ More
than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/


I wonder why you last 2 post are empty?


He/she is depending on the suject line.

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Re: Sadly...

[Celejar]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:29:35 +0300
Andrei Popescu  wrote:

> On Tue,21.Jul.09, 21:01:22, Sven Joachim wrote:
> > 
> > The right position for the cursor when starting a reply is at the
> > beginning of the quoted text so that you can 
> > 
> > - cut parts of it which are not interesting for your reply
> > - easily scroll to a position in the text where you want to start a
> >   reply, handy for the "inline quoting" style.
> 
> +1
> 
> vim (from mutt) also puts the cursor at the beginning.

Sylpheed does too, but all the way at the beginning, at the "On
$DATE ..." line.

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Re: How do I setup wireless network

[thirstyh2o]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:57:07 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, thirstyh2o wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:56:51 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote:
>>
>>> _ More
>>> than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/
>>
>> I wonder why you last 2 post are empty?
> 
> He/she is depending on the suject line.

didn't get what you were saying.



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Re: exim4: fallback smart hosts

[lee]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:40:08AM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> On 22/07/2009 lee wrote:
> > How did it solve the problem of authenticating with the smarthosts?
> > You're not using open relays, are you?
> 
> I simply added yet another line with smarthost:user:password to
> /etc/exim4/passwd.client

That's nice --- I wouldn't have known that I'd be supposed to add it
there ...


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Re: FWD: Re: Network email draft

[lee]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:41:06AM +, bouncy...@gmail.com wrote:

> [unreadable stuff deleted]

see http://www.webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php


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Re: linux articles / howto's

[Suno Ano]

[skipping a lot of lines ...]

 Lubos> It seems that I have to take another approach so I'm wondering
 Lubos> if there is someone who would be interested in
 Lubos> presenting/submitting helpful linux articles/howtos on
 Lubos> linuxconfig.org website. There is also possibility on
 Lubos> collaboration and creation of new articles/howto's. Any other
 Lubos> ideas are also welcome !

Basically, there are more than enough one-man shows out there so, with
every new "Wiki" popping folks are quite skeptical. And rightfully so --
it would benefit the community on what is there already and try to
improve those.

However, a free person should have the right to do whatever she/he feels
like and if it is another wiki, then so be it. I have website with a few
articles which I basically started to keep notes for myself, then added
stuff others thought would be useful -- finally, some articles got quite
verbose:

http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/debian_notes_cheat_sheets.html
http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/debian_security.html
http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/scm.html
http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/ssh.html
http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/unison.html
http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/misc.html
http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/dm-crypt_luks.html

[there is more ...]

Anyhow, all I am trying to say is that my "Idea" (you asked for others
Idea) is that maybe yet another new wiki is not as good as improving
existing ones like for example wiki.debian.org. If you do however
need/want to create your own wiki, just do so, do not let anybody tell
you otherwise :-)


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Re: FWD: Re: Network email draft

[bouncy...@gmail.com]

And what of the ideas contained therein?

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Subject: Re: FWD: Re: Network email draft

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:41:06AM +, bouncy...@gmail.com wrote:

> [unreadable stuff deleted]

see http://www.webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php


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Re: APT configuration file

[Cameron Hutchison]

Kc9EYE  writes:

>Following the thread on apt defaulting to install recommends, I would
>like to turn this option off. A previous poster stated to add this
>line to the "/etc/apt/apt.conf" file: APT::Install-Recommends "0"; . I
>would love to do that but I am unable as yet to find a file named
>/etc/apt/apt.conf. 

Just create it with the line you want. No other contents are needed.

The man page for apt.conf(5) describes the syntax of the file and the
configuration parameters used by apt.



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compensating for dhcp which only provides useless dns

[Paul Scott]

Hi,

I have a new install of sid on a laptop with a new hard drive.  The 
wireless works fine except at one location where my guess is that the 
DNS is not set up correctly.  I work around this by adding useable 
nameserver addresses to /etc/resolv.conf.  I don't have resolvconf 
installed but I haven't figured out how /etc/resolv.conf is being 
overwritten or where I can put the working nameserver addresses so the 
automatic detection of this particular AP will use them.


TIA for any information,

Paul Scott




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Re: compensating for dhcp which only provides useless dns

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-07-23 07:50 +0200, Paul Scott wrote:

> I have a new install of sid on a laptop with a new hard drive.  The
> wireless works fine except at one location where my guess is that the
> DNS is not set up correctly.  I work around this by adding useable
> nameserver addresses to /etc/resolv.conf.  I don't have resolvconf
> installed but I haven't figured out how /etc/resolv.conf is being
> overwritten or where I can put the working nameserver addresses so the
> automatic detection of this particular AP will use them.

The /etc/resolv.conf file is rewritten by dhclient, you can use the
"prepend" statement in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to supply other
nameservers, e.g.

prepend domain-name-servers 192.0.2.1,192.0.2.42;

will result in two nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf:

nameserver 192.0.2.1
nameserver 192.0.2.42

that are put before the entry that is obtained from the DHCP server.

Sven


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Re: migrating mantis 1.0.6 to 1.1.6

[Javier Barroso]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:48 AM, 3b4rc0<3b4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> How to can I migrate mantis 1.0.6 mysql db to mantis 1.1.6 mysql db?
> The database tables are not the same.
Take a look in /usr/share/dbconfig-common/data/mantis/upgrade/mysql/

There are scripts that helps to upgrade. It is like the last upgrade
to db is in 1.1.1

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Re: How do I setup wireless network

[Robert Holtzman]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, thirstyh2o wrote:


On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:57:07 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:


On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, thirstyh2o wrote:


On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:56:51 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote:


_ More
than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/


I wonder why you last 2 post are empty?


He/she is depending on the suject line.


didn't get what you were saying.


It looks like he is depending on the subject line to convey his 
question.


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Re: compensating for dhcp which only provides useless dns

[Siggy Brentrup]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 08:27 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2009-07-23 07:50 +0200, Paul Scott wrote:
> 
> > I have a new install of sid on a laptop with a new hard drive.  The
> > wireless works fine except at one location where my guess is that the
> > DNS is not set up correctly.  I work around this by adding useable
> > nameserver addresses to /etc/resolv.conf.  I don't have resolvconf
> > installed but I haven't figured out how /etc/resolv.conf is being
> > overwritten or where I can put the working nameserver addresses so the
> > automatic detection of this particular AP will use them.
> 
> The /etc/resolv.conf file is rewritten by dhclient, you can use the
> "prepend" statement in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to supply other
> nameservers, e.g.
> 
> prepend domain-name-servers 192.0.2.1,192.0.2.42;
> 
> will result in two nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf:
> 
> nameserver 192.0.2.1
> nameserver 192.0.2.42
> 
> that are put before the entry that is obtained from the DHCP server.

That's a good start with the drawback that these lines are prepended
even when the dhcp server provides working DNS.

As is the OP should add a script editing /etc/resolv.conf depending
on location to
  /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-{enter,exit}-hooks.d

But IMHO it's even better to nag the server's admin for the benefit
of fellow users.

my 2¢
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Re: compensating for dhcp which only provides useless dns

[Paul Scott]

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2009-07-23 07:50 +0200, Paul Scott wrote

I have a new install of sid on a laptop with a new hard drive.  The
wireless works fine except at one location where my guess is that the
DNS is not set up correctly.  I work around this by adding useable
nameserver addresses to /etc/resolv.conf.  I don't have resolvconf
installed but I haven't figured out how /etc/resolv.conf is being
overwritten or where I can put the working nameserver addresses so the
automatic detection of this particular AP will use them.



The /etc/resolv.conf file is rewritten by dhclient, you can use the
"prepend" statement in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to supply other
nameservers, e.g.

prepend domain-name-servers 192.0.2.1,192.0.2.42;

will result in two nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf:

nameserver 192.0.2.1
nameserver 192.0.2.42

that are put before the entry that is obtained from the DHCP server.
  


Many thanks!  It worked perfectly, of course.

Paul




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