Re: Kmail................
Do you have the bug number? This is the reason that I left Kmail. What did you move to, Dotan? Thunderbird. I'm actually quite happy with it, even though it does not have a reputation as a good email client. It does need a whole slew of addons to bring it up to standard, though. It works with Kaddressbook and everything else it integrated nicely except for the system theme. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Musings on debian-user list
On 2009-07-27 10:53, Tim Beauregard wrote: I recently re-subscribed having been off for about four years. The changes I have noticed are: Good to have you back. 1. Much less traffic. I previously got 250+ posts per day. Now 50-100. Could this be due to the development of ubuntu? I think so... 2. Less flaming. 3. Less digression, and if it occurs, it dies out in a day or two. Previously it could go on for weeks, particularly if a political agenda develops. Age mellows us all. 4. Some leaders are still here. I am pleased to see Osamu Aoki, Ron Johnson still posting. Not seen Alvin Oga, I miss his satirical way. Is Baloo about still? Any omissions are honestly unintentional. 5. Less newbie posts. Ubuntu? Ubuntu is the new Microsoft??? 6. Less configuration questions. Could this be due to improvement of the kernel and included libraries? Or Ubuntu has sponged (but not in the bad connotation) them all. 7. Less spam. Things that don't change: 8. Flaming for 'OT'. My opinion is that this is a bit OTT, after all they are mostly debian-users. 9. Top-posting by newbies. My view is the fact they are defined as newbies means its unlikely they will understand the netiquette. They can leave this tag behind when they work it out. gmail is now the cause of 99% of top-posting. 10. Thread theft by newbies. Their loss if they don't get replies. All things said, I prefer the list in its current state, as it is more manageable and interesting. Feel free to share your opinions. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Back up routines
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-27 01:40, AG wrote: [snip] Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The next step for me is to take each one and do some further research and make a decision. If it would be useful, I'm happy to post back once I've done so and experimented with some test data. Whatever script or method you decide on, just remember that hard drives are *dirt cheap* (as are external enclosures), and that your mother probably wouldn't mind you picking one up/dropping another off one or twice a month. Thanks for the sage advice, but given that she died over a decade ago, that might prove difficult. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installation trouble
Plz disable html formatting in gmail.
On 2009-07-27 11:05, Matt Seburn wrote:
Hi all, I'm having a lot of difficulty getting Debian set up on a server
here at work. It has 6 SATA hard drives and (I think) a SATA CD/DVD ROM
drive as well.
That would mean 7 SATA devices, and thus a new and expensive mobo.
Also, shouldn't you know what kind of CD drive you have? (The BIOS
should help you there.)
I just migrated my disks to a new 6 SATA mobo, and had to RMA an
ASRock board because of flakiness.
I first started out with Lenny.. it would boot off the cdrom
and start the install, but when it got to the detect cdrom stage it would
fail with no common cdrom drive was detected. I fiddled with the BIOS
settings but couldn't get it to work. So I tried with Squeeze instead..
this time the install went through just fine, no issues.. but now I get
these messages:
exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
cmd a0/00:00:00:24:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0 pio 36 in
status: { DRDY }
Try Ubuntu 9.04 or Sidux 2009-02. Monitor syslog and see if it
still happens.
repeating every few seconds on whichever TTY is active, making it impossible
to even log in. I thought I'd try reinstalling Squeeze this time with the
desktop environment, so that at least I could log in and fix the issue, but
now it won't boot from the cdrom.
Could it be a loose or bad cable? Or a bad drive? How old is it?
Strip the system down to one HDD and the CD drive, *using different
cables*! See if
So now it looks like I'm stuck.. I can't log in and fix what's there, and I
can't boot from the cdrom to do a fresh install. Please help, I don't know
what to do next. I have installed Debian before several times, but have had
no trouble before now.. and I do know a few things, but I am far from an
expert.
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Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
Siggy Brentrup wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 07:45 +0100, AG wrote: Hi Having recently upgraded to sid, I want to try to ensure that I am able to maintain a more or less stable system under those circumstances and in the full knowledge that, by definition, sid is unstable and may be subject to breakages. You say it yourself, if you can't cope with breakages including losing all your $HOME, stay with stable. In my understanding there is no warranty whatsoever that testing / unstable won't burn your house, void the universe or whatever you can imagine. my 2¢ Siggy Thanks Siggy - I was aware of the health warnings, but even under truly serious health threats (as in physical health threats) there are prophylactic measures one can take to reduce (i.e. better manage) the risks. Sorry that my phrasing of the enquiry didn't emphasise that more distinctly.
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-27 02:32, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 27 Jul 2009, Siggy Brentrup wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 07:45 +0100, AG wrote: Hi Having recently upgraded to sid, I want to try to ensure that I am able to maintain a more or less stable system under those circumstances and in the full knowledge that, by definition, sid is unstable and may be subject to breakages. You say it yourself, if you can't cope with breakages including losing all your $HOME, stay with stable. In my understanding there is no warranty whatsoever that testing / unstable won't burn your house, void the universe or whatever you can imagine. my 2¢ Siggy I think that to use 'stable' and 'sid' in the same sentence is a contradiction in terms. That said, I do run sid and there are not too many problems except when there is a major upgrade of something major like X. On those occasions it's best to hang back till things sort themselves out. Other than that, I watch out for threats to remove packages (often a bad sign) and I run apt-listbugs; if any bugs are flagged I look at them before upgrading and hold any packkages I'm worried about. Exactly. Sid is the antithesis of how do I automate upgrades?. Never be afraid to press N when asked if you want to upgrade. apt-show-versions -u is also useful for targeted installs when you see that a dist-upgrade wants to remove something important. That works for me, Ron. Thanks for the suggestion. AG -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
Jochen Schulz wrote: AG: With this in mind, what do the more experienced sid users do in terms of the daily updates of packages that come through - for example - the Update Notification? I usually install all available upgrades daily (or even twice a day) using 'sudo aptitude update sudo aptitufe safe-upgrade'. Please note that most of the time it is not a good idea to do 'full-upgrade's because this operation might remove packages you actually need. It is better to invoke 'aptitude full-upgrade' only when you are fully aware that it might break your system. It is also a good idea to use the package apt-listchanges. This informs you about changelogs and news items of each package you upgrade. You should at least read the news files or otherwise you might miss important configuration changes. Additionally, you might want to install apt-listbugs which notifies you about open bugs of the packages you are about to install. I haven't found that to be very helpful, though. What I think is important, too: you should be able to use the command line and some command line editor (vim, emacs, nano...). If X or your bootloader is broken, you will need them. Finally, watching this list and some of the announce lists help you to kepp track what's going on in sid at the moment. That way you have a chance to notice when you should not upgrade certain packages or abstain from upgrading a few days/weeks altogether (usually at the start of a release cycle). J. Jochen That was a very useful post - thank you. Good tips to note here. Cheers AG
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
John Hasler wrote: AG writes: With this in mind, what do the more experienced sid users do in terms of the daily updates of packages that come through - for example - the Update Notification? Nothing. I make no attempt to track Unstable. I keep an eye on what's new and what is being reported broken on debian-devel and upgrade individual packages when I see a need for the new version (security, enhanced functionality). Occasionally, when things are looking particularly stable and I have some time I do a dist-upgrade. I haven't had anything break in years. Of course, I don't use a desktop environment... That's a reasonable point John. I have picked up that GNOME is rather a tricky DE in sid, for instance. But I *do* use a DE, so I'll have to bear that in mind as I come to grips with sid in the future. Thanks AG
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
Tim Beauregard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AG wrote: Having recently upgraded to sid, I want to try to ensure that I am able to maintain a more or less stable system under those circumstances and I manually use apt-get update then apt-get upgrade. If no packages are being kept back, I select 'y'. If I see packages being kept back, I will select 'n', then use apt-get dist-upgrade. If no essential packages are to be removed, I select 'y'. If essential packages are to be removed (eg. gnome), I select 'n' then run apt-get upgrade. After a period of [n] days, these essential packages are eventually upgraded. This method has kept an unstable i386 and amd64 system unbroken for many moons. Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpts8cACgkQsUUdIDHrdAW/2gCfVvVneDcUu5+sdlT6kBiAEMLo S2wAnA3OO+WTCpm4s8PoK/EpFO8SwcZB =P+s9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Tim, like Jochen's reply, your post was particularly helpful which I'll keep and refer to in the months to come. Much obliged. AG
Re: Kmail................
Dotan Cohen wrote: Do you have the bug number? This is the reason that I left Kmail. What did you move to, Dotan? Thunderbird. I'm actually quite happy with it, even though it does not have a reputation as a good email client. It does need a whole slew of addons to bring it up to standard, though. It works with Kaddressbook and everything else it integrated nicely except for the system theme. Thanks. Useful info. I often use TBird when I arrive at a new site and refuse to use Outlook. It works. Mostly. I had an email in from the Kmail folk today regarding a bug I reported sometime. They asked me to move up to KDE 4.2.4[1] and try again. I've done this - although I'm now using Gnome - and it has noticeably changed KDE apps. Time will tell whether it fixes my issue. All the KDE apps look far better in gnome now :-) -- Best, Marc Change requires small steps. [1] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
AG wrote: Hi Having recently upgraded to sid, I want to try to ensure that I am able to maintain a more or less stable system under those circumstances and in the full knowledge that, by definition, sid is unstable and may be subject to breakages. With this in mind, what do the more experienced sid users do in terms of the daily updates of packages that come through - for example - the Update Notification? I know that sidux users rely on some scripts - sxmi and sgfi (??) I think - but I wonder if that is what native sid users rely on or do you have your own recipes for maintaining reasonable stability? For example, the use of scripts such as those from sidux, or not doing a daily system update or ... ? Thanks for any tips/ steers. AG My thanks to all who replied with ideas, tips and advice. Very helpful with some real gems that I will copy to a text file just in case all goes to hell in a hand-basket through my carelessness. Coupled with the research I must do with a back up routine, I am hoping that I will be able to weather most storms that unstable might send downstream. As an aside, I noticed that none of the respondents picked up on the scripts sxmi, et al. Is that because of a lack of experience with these, or because they are no good, or possibly because they are superfluous from the perspective of an experienced sid user? Once again. Many thanks list. I appreciate your input. Best wishes AG -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: request for a mono vote.
In 4a6b3b97.60...@gmail.com, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote: As a dedicated debian user i want to express my concerns and worries regarding mono inclusion in main and i ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because: 1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues. Do you have some evidence that Microsoft has *any* copyright, patent, or trademark claim on the code in Mono? 2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive behavior has been proven in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example. Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly move harm the excellent name Debian has build? I don't see how this has anything to do with the Free Software status of Mono and that is all that matters for sorting software into main/contrib/non-free. Free Software that does not depend on non-Free Software goes in main, Free Software that depends on non-Free Software goes in contrib, and non-Free Software goes into non-free. 3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has a clear position out of middleware rivalries of multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides. I don't see how providing Mono puts Debian in middleware rivalries anymore than providing Perl, Python, Ruby, Rails, Java, TomCat, GlassFish. +1 for a voting procedure. I'm pretty sure this is the wrong place for that, anyway. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: -- SPAM -- Integrity check of a downloaded with http-browser package.
On 2009-07-27 10:23, Sthu Deus wrote: Good day. I have downloaded a package from debian repo with my http browser. Now, how I can check its integrity, that an evil doer did not modify it some malicious way while the transfer? Use apt-cache show to find the file's nominal hash, then run sha1sum to gen the real hash. If they match, it wasn't corrupted en route. (I'd worry more, though, about the repository machine getting hacked and the descriptions getting modified.) -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: -- SPAM -- PSI does not let me chat with 'Not allowed' message.
On 2009-07-27 10:28, Sthu Deus wrote: Good day. My PSI ceased to work. Now when I try to start chatting I get (and this for every recepient): What, besides pounds per square inch, or Petroleum Services Inc, is PSI? Not allowed. The recipient or server does not allow any entity to perform the action. How I can fix this? I've checked the repo, and as far as I understand, I have the latest version - 0.12.1-2. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: request for a mono vote.
In 4a6b45bf.5090...@yahoo.gr, aprekates wrote: I'm not saying to 'kick someone', i'm arguing about moving in non-free section. If it is to be removed from main for patent issues, it can't be distributed in non-free either. It would be in the same boat as MP3-encoding. So i think formally maybe you're right and its free software but if you step back and take other angles it's valid to argue seriously about mono being a nascent threat for Debian in many levels and not only in a strict interpretation of current license issues. While it is not trivial, it would be possible to drop mono from the archive, get out new ISOs for stable (and possibly oldstable), etc. in less than 2 weeks from the time any patent claim became active and pursued. If Debian took such quick action, a judge would be hard-pressed to penalize SPI. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: PSI does not let me chat with 'Not allowed' message.
In 4a6de169@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-27 10:28, Sthu Deus wrote: My PSI ceased to work. Now when I try to start chatting I get (and this for every recepient): What, besides pounds per square inch, or Petroleum Services Inc, is PSI? http://psi-im.org/ -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Is it a bug: huge dependency problems of php5 and ikiwiki
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:18:16PM +0530, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: Hello, On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Xan wrote: I have a NSLU2 device (armel computer). With Debian 5.0.2 installed. I cannot use reportbug because exim4 is not configured properly Use reportbug -o bugreport.txt to write the report to a file. In fact, reportbug will leave a copy of the mail it didn't send by default if you tell it in the end not to send the mail. mutt -H reportbug.txt is also handy, but you should probably slightly edit it first. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
AG: As an aside, I noticed that none of the respondents picked up on the scripts sxmi, et al. Is that because of a lack of experience with these, or because they are no good, or possibly because they are superfluous from the perspective of an experienced sid user? I can only speak for myself, but I didn't mention them because I have never heard of them. And since no one packaged them for Debian, they are most probably superfluous. ;-) J. -- When I am doing sex I wonder if my emotions can be detected by alien civilisations. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: choice of a Network mapping tool
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:06:52AM +0200, Gilles Guiot wrote: Hello, I am currently looking for a good network mapping software. I do not need an overly complex and exhaustive mapping tool. I've experimented with a few on the windows side, but to no avail. Would any nice souls outhere come up with a few recommendations ? :) Thanks in advance Try lanmap and especially cheops-ng. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Chinese in rxvt
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Chinese fonts render perfectly for me in Iceweasel, Icedove and even rxvt. hmm..., how did you do -- rendering Chinese in rxvt? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Installing with no swap partition
A couple of questions (background is below the questions if you want to read): Question 1: In the Debian manual it says a swap partition isn't needed but recommended for efficiency. Anyone else installed without swap and had success? Is my installation a ticking time bomb if I don't have a swap partition? Question 2: I've had recent clean Lenny installations on DBAN'd disks hang at activating swap file upon boot up, where I needed to force shut down the computer. Without the separate swap partition this isn't an issue, so is this the right solution? These are completely fresh installs with no other OS's so I can't imagine the swap partition being corrupt. Additional background info: I understand the purpose of the swap partition (in general). On a recent installation dual-booting with an exisiting xp installation, couldn't get linux to install to the entire 14 GB free space I created via gparted; instead it partitioned a section that it needed and added the remainder of the space to the xp partition (when attempting to run update manager after installing, linux ran out of disk space so I decided to try other installation options). So on the second installation (after deleting all linux partitions and blanking with zeros), again had 14 GB free space but this time I manually set up the partitions. Not being very experienced at this (always have used guided partitioning before), I set one logical partition the size of the entire 14 GB free space - no swap partition, as I couldn't see where to add that in via the partition options during installation. Installation went great, linux runs perfectly fine, with 2 primary partitions within the logical partition. Thanks for any input. This was actually for a Ubuntu install side-by-side with xp, I hope this doesn't break any mailing list rules so I apologize if it is considered off-topic. Mark
mysql-server install script defective
The script couldn't install because it doesn't know what to do with the --skip-federated option being passed. Apparently a new option being used by mysql. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing with no swap partition
In 631fe46c0907271347g341e048udf74d5ee643e1...@mail.gmail.com, Mark wrote: A couple of questions (background is below the questions if you want to read): Question 1: In the Debian manual it says a swap partition isn't needed but recommended for efficiency. Anyone else installed without swap and had success? Is my installation a ticking time bomb if I don't have a swap partition? Usually, no. Either the OOM killer will kick in or malloc/calloc/realloc will start failing earlier, so you might want to add swap if either of those happens. You'll get OOM messages in /var/log/messages; applications will either crash or notify you they are out of memory if malloc/calloc/realloc fails. You can use a swap file instead of a swap partition/disk. Just create a file of the appropriate size with dd, use mkfs.swap on it, and add it to your fstab. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Chinese in rxvt
On 2009-07-27 15:46, T o n g wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Chinese fonts render perfectly for me in Iceweasel, Icedove and even rxvt. hmm..., how did you do -- rendering Chinese in rxvt? I *think* just by installing the packages I mentioned in the 26 Jul 2009 16:32:33 -0500 email. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing with no swap partition
Mark: Question 1: In the Debian manual it says a swap partition isn't needed but recommended for efficiency. Anyone else installed without swap and had success? Is my installation a ticking time bomb if I don't have a swap partition? I ran my previous laptop with 768MB of RAM for several months without swap. That never was a problem. But I don't run Gnome, KDE, OpenOffice or any of those applications that require inordinate amounts of RAM on a daily basis -- except for Firefox, of course. ;-) The worst that can happen is that you get an out-of-memory-situation more easily. Then, the kernel's OOM killer will kick in and kill a process of choice (usually the biggest memory hog). This means data loss if the application had important information in memory that haven't been saved to disk yet. Question 2: I've had recent clean Lenny installations on DBAN'd disks hang at activating swap file upon boot up, where I needed to force shut down the computer. Without the separate swap partition this isn't an issue, so is this the right solution? These are completely fresh installs with no other OS's so I can't imagine the swap partition being corrupt. Even if it is, this shouldn't happen. But you would need to provide more information for us to analyze the situation. To answer the question whether going without swap is the right solution: I wouldn't call it a solution, instead you chose to evade the problem. (Which, of course, is fine.) Whether it is a wise decision depends on the amount of RAM in your system and how you use it. For a regular desktop (Gnome, KDE etc.) I would recommend at least 1GB RAM when you want to go without swap. I am running a more or less slim system with awesome as window manager, Firefox, xfce4-terminals and a few Gnome daemons, but 'free' still shows a memory usage of almost 700MB (w/o filesystem cache). I am currently playing with the thought to get rid of swap, too. No matter how hard I try, I cannot find a use for my 4GB of RAM. ;-) The only thing that keeps me from doing that is that I might decide that I should look at suspens-to-disk some time in the future (this is a laptop). Thanks for any input. This was actually for a Ubuntu install side-by-side with xp, I hope this doesn't break any mailing list rules so I apologize if it is considered off-topic. Some people get annoyed when Ubuntu users ask Ubuntu-specific questions. Some people get annoyed when Debian users ask general linux questions which aren't strictly Debian-specific. I belong to neither of them, as long as it's somehow applicable to Debian. J. -- I often play sports / do exercise. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing with no swap partition
I like this idea of using a swap file instead of partition (for both my Debian and Ubuntu machines). Is the following code correct for creating the swap file (assuming 1 GB swap file size)? # dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536 And would the correct use of mkswap be: # mkswap /swapfile Then add this to /etc/fstab: # /swapfile swapswapdefaults0 0 Thanks, Mark On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 631fe46c0907271347g341e048udf74d5ee643e1...@mail.gmail.com, Mark wrote: A couple of questions (background is below the questions if you want to read): Question 1: In the Debian manual it says a swap partition isn't needed but recommended for efficiency. Anyone else installed without swap and had success? Is my installation a ticking time bomb if I don't have a swap partition? Usually, no. Either the OOM killer will kick in or malloc/calloc/realloc will start failing earlier, so you might want to add swap if either of those happens. You'll get OOM messages in /var/log/messages; applications will either crash or notify you they are out of memory if malloc/calloc/realloc fails. You can use a swap file instead of a swap partition/disk. Just create a file of the appropriate size with dd, use mkfs.swap on it, and add it to your fstab. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/
Can't retrieve online quotes with gnucash
Hi, Using GNUcash version 2.2.6 with Debian 5.0, I have the following message when I try to get online quotes for US stock exchanges: Unable to retrieve quotes for these items: NYSE:C NYSE:BAC NYSE:F NYSE:AIG NYSE:HAR NASDAQ:NOVL Continue using only the good quotes? So far, when I try to download quotes for the TSX, I don't have any problems. Does someone has a fix for this problem? Thanks Bernard
Re: Installing with no swap partition
In 631fe46c0907271429n387f32bp42606b1755eae...@mail.gmail.com, Mark wrote: I like this idea of using a swap file instead of partition (for both my Debian and Ubuntu machines). Is the following code correct for creating the swap file (assuming 1 GB swap file size)? # dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536 1024 x 65536 = 1Ki x 64Ki = 64Mi. So, that would make a 64M swap file. I'd use: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=$((1 12)) count=$((1 18)) (1 12) x (1 18) = (1 30) = 1GiB. [1] And would the correct use of mkswap be: # mkswap /swapfile You can specify a label if you like. Otherwise, good. Then add this to /etc/fstab: # /swapfile swapswapdefaults 0 0 Looks good. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ [1] (x y) means x*(2^y). So, (1 10) = 1Ki; (1 20) = 1Mi; (1 30) = 1Gi. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[SOLVED] Re: Installing with no swap partition
Thanks for the help! Mark On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 631fe46c0907271429n387f32bp42606b1755eae...@mail.gmail.com, Mark wrote: I like this idea of using a swap file instead of partition (for both my Debian and Ubuntu machines). Is the following code correct for creating the swap file (assuming 1 GB swap file size)? # dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536 1024 x 65536 = 1Ki x 64Ki = 64Mi. So, that would make a 64M swap file. I'd use: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=$((1 12)) count=$((1 18)) (1 12) x (1 18) = (1 30) = 1GiB. [1] And would the correct use of mkswap be: # mkswap /swapfile You can specify a label if you like. Otherwise, good. Then add this to /etc/fstab: # /swapfile swapswapdefaults 0 0 Looks good. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ [1] (x y) means x*(2^y). So, (1 10) = 1Ki; (1 20) = 1Mi; (1 30) = 1Gi.
Re: Back up routines
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello AG, Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It would be backing up to my former IDE HDD (now in an enclosure) via an Unsatisfactory, IMO. Any back up should be made to a medium that can be removed from the computer and, at the very least, stored in a different part of the building. My favourite for this is JungleDisk. It stores your files on Amazon's S3, and as a backup program it's half decent. It's not free/libre/open-source, but it's cheap (US$20), and you get free upgrades for life. Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download. I'm backing up about 150MB per day one place for about US$3/month. Cheers, -- Eric Gerlach, Network Administrator Federation of Students University of Waterloo p: (519) 888-4567 x36329 e: egerl...@feds.uwaterloo.ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Error loading operating system
Hi, I just installed Lenny on a new SATA disk in my AMD64 system (4 Gig of ram). I manually partitioned the SATA disk: sda1 /10Gb sda2 /usr 10Gb sda3 /var 10 Gb sda5 swap 1 Gb sda6 /tmp 1 Gb sda7 /home the rest of the driveabout 456 Gb and the installer formatted it for me. All the normal steps...network, time(I've done installs before. I have etch on hda in the same box). Packages installed and configured without error. Set up root and my accounts. Installed grub to boot the system then the big reboot, and Error loading operating system no grub menu. Black screen with white letters 80 X 25 mode. Any idea what may have messed up and how to get the system booting? Thanks, Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: font enlargement on file
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 02:58:29AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: I'm working from the command line and need to put two lines of writing on a 4x6 card as a sign so need the font larger than 8 point type. I have emacs on this machine and am wondering if something in emacs might help or might there be something else I have to use? You might have a look at enscript or a2ps for this job. Another approach I've taken for working with a label printer is to generate postscript directly (from a shell script in my case). I modified text.ps from the psprint package in CTAN http://www.ctan.org/get/dviware/psprint/unix/text.ps. Postscript hacking is different from most of the languages you see these days, but once you get your head around the stack-oriented programming concept it's not too difficult. Glenn Reid has made his book Thinking in Postscript available for free download at http://www.rightbrain.com/pages/books.html HTH dt -- Dave Thayer | Whenever you read a good book, it's like the Denver, Colorado USA | author is right there, in the room talking to d...@thayer-boyle.com | you, which is why I don't like to read | good books. - Jack Handey Deep Thoughts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
UNCLASSIFIED Lee, I haven't replied before this because it was the weekend, I wasn't at work (therefore had no access to my WORK email account), and frankly, this topic is so trivial that it does not warrant a response. However, I can see that if I don't reply to you, you will keep going like a dog with an old bone that it won't give up. I find it amazing that something that I have no control over can consume so much of your time! If you don't like the security warning that my email system puts into every post (just like the 'sec=unclassified' in the subject line and 'unclassified' at the top of the post), do what everyone else does and IGNORE IT! And get over it. Yes, I work for a security conscious bureaucracy. Yes, I use my work email because I will (possibly) be using Debian for my WORK, not personal reasons. As I work for a bureaucracy, my emails are downloaded to a central 'inbox', from where they are passed through to my account on a much bigger network. In my personal account I have filters set up directing the emails from this list into specific folders, but they constitute part of the total email account availability - they do not get segregated to a separate account. I do not have the luxury of being able to choose my email application, nor is web-mail permitted in our organisation (filters on our internet system) Have a lovely day :-) Jo (no 'e', therefore female.). x -Original Message- From: lee [mailto:l...@yun.yagibdah.de] Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:41 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:43:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: What part of not under human control don't you understand?? You mean a machine has made these posts? Maybe --- that might explain why there aren't any answers from the OP --- but machines are usually under human control. If they aren't, that's a problem in itself. Perhaps some aliens dropped off a computer to take over the internet ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
UNCLASSIFIED Oh, and to all those people that have provided useful suggestions to my problem, thank you. I will look into each of them and see which one will work for me at work. I have just changed to 'digest' format as a starter.. Thanks again, Jo. x -Original Message- From: Gibson, Jodie MRS [mailto:jodie.gib...@defence.gov.au] Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2009 10:57 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] UNCLASSIFIED Lee, I haven't replied before this because it was the weekend, I wasn't at work (therefore had no access to my WORK email account), and frankly, this topic is so trivial that it does not warrant a response. However, I can see that if I don't reply to you, you will keep going like a dog with an old bone that it won't give up. I find it amazing that something that I have no control over can consume so much of your time! If you don't like the security warning that my email system puts into every post (just like the 'sec=unclassified' in the subject line and 'unclassified' at the top of the post), do what everyone else does and IGNORE IT! And get over it. Yes, I work for a security conscious bureaucracy. Yes, I use my work email because I will (possibly) be using Debian for my WORK, not personal reasons. As I work for a bureaucracy, my emails are downloaded to a central 'inbox', from where they are passed through to my account on a much bigger network. In my personal account I have filters set up directing the emails from this list into specific folders, but they constitute part of the total email account availability - they do not get segregated to a separate account. I do not have the luxury of being able to choose my email application, nor is web-mail permitted in our organisation (filters on our internet system) Have a lovely day :-) Jo (no 'e', therefore female.). x -Original Message- From: lee [mailto:l...@yun.yagibdah.de] Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:41 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:43:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: What part of not under human control don't you understand?? You mean a machine has made these posts? Maybe --- that might explain why there aren't any answers from the OP --- but machines are usually under human control. If they aren't, that's a problem in itself. Perhaps some aliens dropped off a computer to take over the internet ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com writes: As an aside, I noticed that none of the respondents picked up on the scripts sxmi, et al. Is that because of a lack of experience with these, or because they are no good, or possibly because they are superfluous from the perspective of an experienced sid user? I think such things are hardly necessary. Sid is not a monster, really all that's necessary to avoid the (very occasional) problems is a bit of sense. The normal mechanisms work very well. -Miles -- Apologize, v. To lay the foundation for a future offense. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:09:34 +0200 Siggy Brentrup deb...@psycho.i21k.de wrote: ... In my understanding there is no warranty whatsoever that testing / unstable won't burn your house, void the universe or whatever you can imagine. Nitpick: *no* version of Debian, not even stable, comes with any warranty, as per the standard motd: Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Back up routines
On 2009-07-27 16:55, Eric Gerlach wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello AG, Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It would be backing up to my former IDE HDD (now in an enclosure) via an Unsatisfactory, IMO. Any back up should be made to a medium that can be removed from the computer and, at the very least, stored in a different part of the building. My favourite for this is JungleDisk. It stores your files on Amazon's S3, and as a backup program it's half decent. It's not free/libre/open-source, but it's cheap (US$20), and you get free upgrades for life. Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download. I'm backing up about 150MB per day one place for about US$3/month. You've not read about such on-line businesses accidentally deleting user files, not actually backing up data, changing direction, or going out of business? For 150MB, go buy some thumb drives. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:34:19 +0900 Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com writes: As an aside, I noticed that none of the respondents picked up on the scripts sxmi, et al. Is that because of a lack of experience with these, or because they are no good, or possibly because they are superfluous from the perspective of an experienced sid user? I think such things are hardly necessary. Sid is not a monster, really all that's necessary to avoid the (very occasional) problems is a bit of sense. The normal mechanisms work very well. It's not always quite that simple, although it usually is. A year ago, I was hit by this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 Here's my tale of woe: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg01704.html Fortunately, Sven Joachim pointed me toward the relevant bug, and I was soon back to normal. I think John Hasler's point (which he often makes) is an excellent one. We Sid users have a psychological need to keep our systems up to date, but there's really no technical reason for that. As long as one keeps track of security issues, there's really no point in compulsively updating, unless one wants to provide the community with the service of bug-finding, i.e. volunteering as guinea pig ;) Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
approx: infinite loop during update, importing
I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on lenny i386. The first is, anybody else get caught in an infinite loop updating the Packages files? I've tried from localhost and a remote machine. On both machines, running aptitude update causes the Packages file to start downloading (you can watch it grow with repeated find /var/cache/approx -type -f -ls), then after awhile the file disappears, and a few seconds later appears once more continuing to grow until it disappears again. In short, it ain't working for me. Secondly, sites such as the following lead me to believe that it is possible to import packages from the local download cache to the approx repository: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man8/approx-import.8.html http://bethesignal.org/blog/2009/04/13/approx-package-caching-ubuntu-debian-lovers/ but I don't seem to have approx-import on my system and I can't find any approx packages that look like they might contain such an utility. Any pointers? Thanks, willy -- whollyg...@letterboxes.org -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:55:06 -0700 whollyg...@letterboxes.org wrote: I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on lenny i386. ... Secondly, sites such as the following lead me to believe that it is possible to import packages from the local download cache to the approx repository: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man8/approx-import.8.html http://bethesignal.org/blog/2009/04/13/approx-package-caching-ubuntu-debian-lovers/ but I don't seem to have approx-import on my system and I can't find any approx packages that look like they might contain such an utility. Any pointers? Thanks, According to the Debian changelog, it was added to the package in 3.4-1, closing bug #488096. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
batch automation
sorry if this is not within the scope of the debian user list. but im stuck in a rut. im running exiftool to copy exif data from my jpg files to my converted raw files. individually i am running ./exiftool -TagsFromFile jpg.jpg raw.jpg but i have a folder loaded with .jpg files and this could take a day or two. im sure there is some way of scripting this. i need to scan one folder for .jpg files and import there exif data from the same named file in another folder. im not much of a scripter or a coder so im hoping someone on this list could help me automate this process. thank you very much anyone who can help, and sorry for improper posting if i am doing so -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: batch automation
On 2009-07-27 22:41, jeremy jozwik wrote:
sorry if this is not within the scope of the debian user list. but im
stuck in a rut. im running exiftool to copy exif data from my jpg
files to my converted raw files.
individually i am running
./exiftool -TagsFromFile jpg.jpg raw.jpg
Why are you in /usr/bin?
Also, raw.jpg?
but i have a folder loaded with .jpg files and this could take a day
or two. im sure there is some way of scripting this.
i need to scan one folder for .jpg files and import there exif data
from the same named file in another folder. im not much of a scripter
or a coder so im hoping someone on this list could help me automate
this process.
for i in *.jpg; \
do \
bn=$(basename ${i} .jpg) \
echo ${bn} \
done
Replace the echo statement with appropriate exiftool command.
thank you very much anyone who can help, and sorry for improper
posting if i am doing so
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Inquiry:Debian server Remote Desktop Connection
Dear All Can you please let us know what is the required service that needs to be enabled on the Debian server to allow for Remote Desktop Connection opened from the MS Windows client's side ? Regards H.Motamedi
Re: Inquiry:Debian server Remote Desktop Connection
Thank you for your reply . Can you please provide me with more details on your proposed NX, VNC ? Regards H.Motamedi On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:33 AM, debuser debu...@yandex.ru wrote: В Втр, 28/07/2009 в 06:22 +0100, hadi motamedi пишет: Dear All Can you please let us know what is the required service that needs to be enabled on the Debian server to allow for Remote Desktop Connection opened from the MS Windows client's side ? Regards H.Motamedi As I know it's impossible to use RDP to Linux. As alternative you may use: NX, VNC
Re: Inquiry:Debian server Remote Desktop Connection
В Втр, 28/07/2009 в 06:22 +0100, hadi motamedi пишет: Dear All Can you please let us know what is the required service that needs to be enabled on the Debian server to allow for Remote Desktop Connection opened from the MS Windows client's side ? Regards H.Motamedi As I know it's impossible to use RDP to Linux. As alternative you may use: NX, VNC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Inquiry:Debian server Remote Desktop Connection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing В Втр, 28/07/2009 в 06:40 +0100, hadi motamedi пишет: Thank you for your reply . Can you please provide me with more details on your proposed NX, VNC ? Regards H.Motamedi On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:33 AM, debuser debu...@yandex.ru wrote: В Втр, 28/07/2009 в 06:22 +0100, hadi motamedi пишет: Dear All Can you please let us know what is the required service that needs to be enabled on the Debian server to allow for Remote Desktop Connection opened from the MS Windows client's side ? Regards H.Motamedi As I know it's impossible to use RDP to Linux. As alternative you may use: NX, VNC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
