Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

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Gnash is a noble effort.  Gnash sucks.  I want choice, and my choice is 
Adobe Flash.  Installing Gnash screws up Flash.  Right now, I can refuse 
to update GNOME on Squeeze any further, but the time will come when that 
will not be a viable option.  Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what 
can I do to put a stop to it?



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Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

Hi,

I am struggling with my Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP ever since I have
upgraded to XOrg 7.5 which is (still) not supported by the proprietary
driver. The OSS Radeon driver is *really* slow. Switching between
workplaces or (full screen) applications sometimes take more than 30
seconds. More applications lead to more seconds.

I have tried every suggestion on the internet that I could find, saw all
kind of video effects, including no video at all, but nothing worked so
far.


There are several thing that I notice:

1. In several postings I saw the mentioning of the need to load
firmware. I have installed all the firmware-linux packages, including
the non-free which contains the relevant Radeon firmware. I see some
firmware getting loaded (eg for my Broadcom NIC) but no attempt is made
to load the firmware for my Radeon card. I have fiddled with
radeon.modeset=1/0 settings, both on /etc/modprobe.d conf files, as
manually loading/unloading the radeon modules, but none of the attempts
leaded to a working system.

Should the firmware get loaded, and if so, how should I do that?

2. In the XOrg.0.log it says:

(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] Could not bind
(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI.
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] You may want to make sure the agpgart kernel
module is loaded before the radeon kernel module.

The agpgart kernel module is compiled in ( a change from
2.6.32-trunk-amd64 which used a module, whereas 
2.6.32-3-amd has it compiled in). But disabling DRI disables the
acceleration I believe. 

Is that correct?

3. I have tried both the radeon and radeonhd driver without any success.
Both drivers appear to e working.

Is it correct that the radeon driver is preferred for my card?


The last question: is there anyone who actually has this card working,
with 2/3D acceleration? Or am I trying to do something that just is not
possible (yet)?


TIA



My system is a fully updated Squeeze (testing) Debian AMD64:

linux-image-2.6.32-9
firmware-linux 0.23
firmware-linux-free 2.6.32-9
firmware-linux-nonfree  0.23
xorg 7.5-3
xserver-xorg-video-radeon 6.12.5-1
xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd 3.0-2
mesa (dri / glx)  7.7-4 


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Re: More Xorg

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,16.Mar.10, 13:56:27, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> Maybe one of these days, when I feel more adventuresome, I may give
> this a try myself.  I have two systems at home with Nvidia video cards.
> The trouble is, they're OLD Nvidia cards.  The proprietary driver
> may have dropped support for them by now.  RIVA TNT2 and GeForce2 MX/MX 400

The official driver from nvidia has dropped support, but Debian still 
carries them. You will need the -legacy-71xx and -legacy-96xx packages 
for those chipsets.

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Hi,

due to a discussion of git  I would like to know which of the numerous  
git-packages I have to

install on lenny when I want to use git  in my local environment.

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Re: git

[Chris Taylor]

Hi,

Klaus Jantzen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> due to a discussion of git  I would like to know which of the numerous 
> git-packages I have to
> install on lenny when I want to use git  in my local environment.
> 
> Thanks.

You just need to install git-core.

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Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,16.Mar.10, 22:55:47, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:09:05 -0400
> Wayne  wrote:
> 
> > After downloading the buggy openoffice suite for the 3rd time in the 
> > past month.  I would like to propose a new feature for aptitude.
> 
> File a wishlist bug against aptitude.

Or even better against apt.

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Re: Aptitude wish list item

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On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 17:09:05 -0400, Wayne (linux...@gmail.com) wrote: 

> After downloading the buggy openoffice suite for the 3rd time in the  
> past month.  I would like to propose a new feature for aptitude.

How about apt-listbugs?

apt-listbugs -s all list openoffice.org

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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,17.Mar.10, 09:11:31, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
 
> 1. In several postings I saw the mentioning of the need to load
> firmware. I have installed all the firmware-linux packages, including
> the non-free which contains the relevant Radeon firmware. I see some
> firmware getting loaded (eg for my Broadcom NIC) but no attempt is made
> to load the firmware for my Radeon card. I have fiddled with

And no failure either? Please post the output of

grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog

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Re: Aptitude wish list item

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:36 +, Bob Cox wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 17:09:05 -0400, Wayne (linux...@gmail.com) wrote: 
> > After downloading the buggy openoffice suite for the 3rd time in the  
> > past month.  I would like to propose a new feature for aptitude.

> How about apt-listbugs?

That's exactly what Wayne is talking about IMHO - if you install
apt-listbugs it will be run automatically for each package that is to be
installed, but *after* all packages have been downloaded, which is a
waste of bandwith, time and money.

> apt-listbugs -s all list openoffice.org

Nobody will manually verify each package that is going to be installed. 

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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

Hi Andrei,

Nop, not even a failure.


On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 10:45 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog

panoramix:/home/jkr# grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog
Mar 17 08:18:28 panoramix kernel: [   12.304016] 3w-9xxx: scsi4: Firmware FE9X 
2.08.00.006, BIOS BE9X 2.03.01.052, Ports: 8.
Mar 17 08:18:28 panoramix kernel: [   15.877323] tg3 :02:09.0: firmware: 
requesting tigon/tg3_tso.bin

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Re: git

[marc]

Chris Taylor wrote:

>> due to a discussion of git  I would like to know which of the numerous 
>> git-packages I have to
>> install on lenny when I want to use git  in my local environment.
>
> You just need to install git-core.

I'd also install gitk and git-gui. You might also want to take a look at
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How to install sun-java5-jdk in debian testing?

[Jianhua Shao]

I run debian testing in my box, which means, all update source in
source.list are from 'testing'
distribution. I want to compile Android manually, which needs
sun-java5-jdk, but there is no such
package in 'testing' distribution, only sun-java6-jdk is out there.
Maybe, I could add a 'stable' line in source.list to install that
package from 'stable' distribution. But I
wander is it a right way to install sun-java5-jdk using apt tools?
What is the best way to handle such problem?


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Re: git

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> marc  :
>I'd also install gitk and git-gui. You might also want to take a look
>at tig if you are comfortable with vim.

and subscribe to the git mailing list
and lso give a try at giggle, which I find necer than gitk.

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Re: How to recover from corrupted memory

[hce]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Ron Johnson  wrote:

> Paste the *exact* command with the *exact* output (preferably also with an
> "ls -aFl" listing of the directory).  If it's too large or wide for email,
> throw it onto a website and give us the link.

~/wxGTK-2.8.10/samples/config$ ls -aFl
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 2 jupiter jupiter   4096 2010-03-14 16:28 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5  jupiterjupiter   4096 2010-03-14 16:28 ../
dr-s-w---T 24576 2594201913 1635839568 1637221952 1970-01-01 10:00 config.bkl/
?--Sr-s--T 25018 3449839616 1637218816  0 2021-12-06 15:48 conftest.rc
?- 24981 root53408306 1970-01-01 10:00 makefile.vc

~/wxGTK-2.8.10/samples/config$ rm -rf *
rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `config.bkl': Permission denied
rm: cannot remove `conftest.rc': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove `makefile.vc': Operation not permitted

Thanks Ron and Brett.

Jupiter


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Re: How to install sun-java5-jdk in debian testing?

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Jianhua Shao  :
> What is the best way to handle such problem?

- get the package source from a "stable" repository
- rebuild it on your target "testing" box

Soem help:
http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+rebuild+package

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Realtek 8139 NICs would not work under the latest stable Debian.

[Sthu Deus]

Good day.


I'm unable to make working NICs containing Realtek 8139 chips - it is true for 
the latest updated Debian stable packets (let's call it B) - for the older ones 
(let's call it A) it seems working, though linux image is used the same (and it 
is where the drivers for te NICs are, as I suppose).

After some Internet search and reading of the ethernet-howto - I found that I 
have to use drivers as kernel modules 8139cp or 8139too. On A I see (with 
lsmod) the drivers are loaded and the interfaces are up and running, while on 
the B - the very same hardware (the NICs) refuses to function (again, the very 
same drivers modules are loaded automatically) - when I do

# ifup eth0

it says that I have no such device and some other errors. while lspci shows 
both of the devices. But in the /dev dir. I see no eth* devices.

I never had problems like this (all NICs always worked out of the box for me) 
and I do not know how I can solve the problem that seems "just should not to 
be". So I ask for Your help.

Thanks for Your time.

PS Please, reply to the list.


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Re: How to recover from corrupted memory

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,17.Mar.10, 20:25:27, hce wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> 
> > Paste the *exact* command with the *exact* output (preferably also with an
> > "ls -aFl" listing of the directory).  If it's too large or wide for email,
> > throw it onto a website and give us the link.
> 
> ~/wxGTK-2.8.10/samples/config$ ls -aFl
> total 8
> drwxr-xr-x 2 jupiter jupiter   4096 2010-03-14 16:28 ./
> drwxr-xr-x 5  jupiterjupiter   4096 2010-03-14 16:28 ../
> dr-s-w---T 24576 2594201913 1635839568 1637221952 1970-01-01 10:00 config.bkl/
> ?--Sr-s--T 25018 3449839616 1637218816  0 2021-12-06 15:48 conftest.rc
> ?- 24981 root53408306 1970-01-01 10:00 makefile.vc
> 
> ~/wxGTK-2.8.10/samples/config$ rm -rf *
> rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `config.bkl': Permission denied
> rm: cannot remove `conftest.rc': Operation not permitted
> rm: cannot remove `makefile.vc': Operation not permitted

Did you try fsck-ing the filesystem?

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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed,17.Mar.10, 09:53:07, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> Hi Andrei,
> 
> Nop, not even a failure.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 10:45 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog
> 
> panoramix:/home/jkr# grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog
> Mar 17 08:18:28 panoramix kernel: [   12.304016] 3w-9xxx: scsi4: Firmware 
> FE9X 2.08.00.006, BIOS BE9X 2.03.01.052, Ports: 8.
> Mar 17 08:18:28 panoramix kernel: [   15.877323] tg3 :02:09.0: firmware: 
> requesting tigon/tg3_tso.bin

Strange... can you boot with an older kernel and repeat the 'grep'?

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-17 03:05, Mark Allums wrote:
Gnash is a noble effort.  Gnash sucks.  I want choice, and my choice is 
Adobe Flash.  Installing Gnash screws up Flash.  Right now, I can refuse 
to update GNOME on Squeeze any further, but the time will come when that 
will not be a viable option.  Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what 
can I do to put a stop to it?




I *think* this will work:

$ apt-rdepends --dotty gnome > gnome.depends.dot
$ graphviz gnome.depends.dot

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Re: How to install sun-java5-jdk in debian testing?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-17 03:57, Jianhua Shao wrote:

I run debian testing in my box, which means, all update source in
source.list are from 'testing'
distribution. I want to compile Android manually, which needs
sun-java5-jdk, but there is no such
package in 'testing' distribution, only sun-java6-jdk is out there.
Maybe, I could add a 'stable' line in source.list to install that
package from 'stable' distribution. But I
wander is it a right way to install sun-java5-jdk using apt tools?
What is the best way to handle such problem?



Go directly to upstream?

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Re: How to install sun-java5-jdk in debian testing?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Jianhua Shao  wrote:
> I run debian testing in my box, which means, all update source in
> source.list are from 'testing'
> distribution. I want to compile Android manually, which needs
> sun-java5-jdk, but there is no such
> package in 'testing' distribution, only sun-java6-jdk is out there.
> Maybe, I could add a 'stable' line in source.list to install that
> package from 'stable' distribution. But I
> wander is it a right way to install sun-java5-jdk using apt tools?
> What is the best way to handle such problem?

Java 6 should be backward-compatible with its predecessor. Have you
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Re: How to recover from corrupted memory

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-17 04:33, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Wed,17.Mar.10, 20:25:27, hce wrote:

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Ron Johnson  wrote:


Paste the *exact* command with the *exact* output (preferably also with an
"ls -aFl" listing of the directory).  If it's too large or wide for email,
throw it onto a website and give us the link.

~/wxGTK-2.8.10/samples/config$ ls -aFl
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 2 jupiter jupiter   4096 2010-03-14 16:28 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5  jupiterjupiter   4096 2010-03-14 16:28 ../
dr-s-w---T 24576 2594201913 1635839568 1637221952 1970-01-01 10:00 config.bkl/
?--Sr-s--T 25018 3449839616 1637218816  0 2021-12-06 15:48 conftest.rc
?- 24981 root53408306 1970-01-01 10:00 makefile.vc

~/wxGTK-2.8.10/samples/config$ rm -rf *
rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `config.bkl': Permission denied
rm: cannot remove `conftest.rc': Operation not permitted
rm: cannot remove `makefile.vc': Operation not permitted


Did you try fsck-ing the filesystem?



Yeah.  Those user and group names just don't look right.

Depending on your set-up, you might need to boot into a live cd.

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:
> Gnash is a noble effort.  Gnash sucks.  I want choice, and my choice is 
> Adobe Flash.  Installing Gnash screws up Flash.  Right now, I can refuse 
> to update GNOME on Squeeze any further, but the time will come when that 
> will not be a viable option.  Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what 
> can I do to put a stop to it?

Look at the following metapackages, their descriptions and dependencies:

gnome
gnome-desktop-environment
gnome-core

Choose the one which best suits your purposes and install it.

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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 11:34 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: 
> On Wed,17.Mar.10, 09:53:07, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> > Hi Andrei,
> > 
> > Nop, not even a failure.
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 10:45 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog
> > 
> > panoramix:/home/jkr# grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog
> > Mar 17 08:18:28 panoramix kernel: [   12.304016] 3w-9xxx: scsi4: Firmware 
> > FE9X 2.08.00.006, BIOS BE9X 2.03.01.052, Ports: 8.
> > Mar 17 08:18:28 panoramix kernel: [   15.877323] tg3 :02:09.0: 
> > firmware: requesting tigon/tg3_tso.bin
> 
> Strange... can you boot with an older kernel and repeat the 'grep'?
Makes no difference with 2.6.32-trunk-amd or 2.6.30-2-amd64.

However, when I manually execute 

modprobe -r radeon 
modprobe radeon modeset=1

using 2.6.32-trunk-amd I see the request and loading for/of the radeon
firmware. After that my terminal screen goes into high resolution (the
LCD's native 1600x1200 I guess). I cannot (re)start gdm however. I
cannot determine why because I have to reboot to get a usable machine.


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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

Hi Andrei,

OK, doing 

modprobe -r radeon 
modprobe radeon modeset=1

using 2.6.32-3-amd64 results in a working machine which actually
performance workplace and application switching at acceptable speed. 

Now I just have 1 error left in my XOrg.log:

(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch.
[dri] radeon kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is 
needed.
[dri] Disabling DRI.

BTW: how can I get the radeon module loaded with those parameters by
default? Stopping gdm, un- and reloading the driver manually is rather
cumbersome.

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Re: Evince rendering the New Maintainers guide improperly

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:47:17 +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

> downloading the Debian New Maintainer guide from the debian website at
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide
> 
> as a PDF and viewing using evince renders some of the index wrongly 

(...)

Not only Evince, but Acrobat Reader and I guess in any other PDF reader.

It seems an error in the source document, so maybe you can open a bug 
report o contact the doc developers so they can correct it:

http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp.en.html

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Increasing or Freeing inodes

[Siju George]

Hi,

I got this warning from nagios about one of my debian systems

DISK WARNING - free space: /var 426 GB (54% inode=99%): / 6 GB (1%
inode=89%): /boot 173 GB (99% inode=99%):

I am runnig backuppc on this server and I guess it is those hardlinks
that are consuming the inodes.
Is there any way to increase the inode nos?

My partitions are


FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda4 564G  529G  6.2G  99% /
tmpfs 7.9G 0  7.9G   0% /lib/init/rw
udev   10M   68K   10M   1% /dev
tmpfs 7.9G 0  7.9G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1 184G  200M  174G   1% /boot
/dev/sdb2  92G  188M   87G   1% /home
/dev/sda3 141G  188M  134G   1% /tmp
/dev/sdb1 826G  357G  427G  46% /var

#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/sda4   /   ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1
/dev/sda1   /boot   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/sdb2   /home   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/sda3   /tmpext3defaults0   2
/dev/sdb1   /varext3defaults0   2
/dev/sda2   noneswapsw  0   0


Otherwise I guess due to the lack of inodes I wont be able to use the
free space left :-(

Thanks

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Mark Allums]

On 3/17/2010 4:42 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:

Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what can I do to put a stop to it?


Look at the following metapackages, their descriptions and dependencies:

 gnome
 gnome-desktop-environment
 gnome-core

Choose the one which best suits your purposes and install it.



Oddly, for some reason, they all require Gnash.  I'm rooting for Gnash, 
I hope Gnash works out in the end, and with HTML5 video tag, maybe it 
will, but on my system, in Sqeeze, all three packages are installed, 
they all require each other, and they all require Gnash, which at the 
moment, is not my first choice.  At all.


Thanks,

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Re: How to install sun-java5-jdk in debian testing?

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Ron Johnson  :
> Go directly to upstream?

Why? dpkg (or any other packaging tool) is just no worth?

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Mark Allums]

Oddly, for some reason, they all require Gnash. I'm rooting for Gnash, I
hope Gnash works out in the end, and with HTML5 video tag, maybe it
will,


What I said up there was badly put.  What I mean is I hope that Flash 
and Gnash and Silverlight and Moonlight will become obsolete, at least 
as far as embedded video is concerned.


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Re: Debian VM freezes

[Michal]

On 16/03/2010 19:29, christos.kol...@orange-ftgroup.com wrote:
> Hi, When I am running debian-gnome-desktop (ver. 2.22.3) VM on Sun
> VirtualBox (ver. 3.1.4) it sometimes freezes (i.e., when downloading a
> file) – my only option is to reset the VM which means losing any files I
> have installed, and any work I’ve done since it reboots from scratch. Is
> there any way to shut it down without losing my work (the shutdown
> option btw does not respond).
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> Christos Kolias
> 
> Orange Labs San Francisco
> 
>  
> 

Well, your first problem is finding why it freezing. I don't know about
virtual box but in VMWare the "shutdown button" only works if you have
VM Tools installed in the guest, maybe this is similar? Also, if it is
freezing, why would you expect it to be able to shutdown gracefully? You
could try pausing the guest, but when you un-pause it will probably
still be frozen. This isn't too dissimilar to a normal PC freezing. If
it locks up you reach for that reboot button


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Re: Debian VM freezes

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:29:49 -0700, christos.kolias wrote:

> Hi, When I am running debian-gnome-desktop (ver. 2.22.3) VM on Sun
> VirtualBox (ver. 3.1.4) it sometimes freezes (i.e., when downloading a
> file) - my only option is to reset the VM which means losing any files I
> have installed, and any work I've done since it reboots from scratch. Is
> there any way to shut it down without losing my work (the shutdown
> option btw does not respond).

A VM is like a true OS in this respect, so no, if the system hangs there 
is no way to recover the data, that is, you have to perform a "hard 
reset" by shutting down or resetting the machine. The same remains true 
for standard (real) installations.

What you have to do is debugging the system "lock/freeze" the same way 
you would do with a real system.

Tips:

1/ Can you ssh into the VM when is locked? Maybe is X what freezes and 
not the kernel.

2/ Do you have any interesting information about the lock in the logs?

3/ VirtualBox tends to "pause" the VM and you have to manually put into 
"play" again. I think it pauses the machine because it has low resources 
available. Check the host specs and guest VM settings for system and 
video RAM.

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Re: How to install sun-java5-jdk in debian testing?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-17 05:41, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

Ron Johnson  :
Go directly to upstream?


Why? dpkg (or any other packaging tool) is just no worth?



I don't like mixed Stable/Testing systems: too much conflict.

And building a JDK from source just takes too long.

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Re: Realtek 8139 NICs would not work under the latest stable Debian.

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Sthu Deus  :
># ifup eth0
> it says that I have no such device and some other errors.

Because ifup/ifdown are only working if you took the time to
fill /etc/network/interfaces correctly.

grep "dmesg" to look for your interfaces, they might be "eth4", the
order/number is only predictable if you setup the udev rules.

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Re: Realtek 8139 NICs would not work under the latest stable Debian.

[steef]

Sthu Deus schreef:

Good day.


I'm unable to make working NICs containing Realtek 8139 chips - it is true for 
the latest updated Debian stable packets (let's call it B) - for the older ones 
(let's call it A) it seems working, though linux image is used the same (and it 
is where the drivers for te NICs are, as I suppose).

After some Internet search and reading of the ethernet-howto - I found that I 
have to use drivers as kernel modules 8139cp or 8139too. On A I see (with 
lsmod) the drivers are loaded and the interfaces are up and running, while on 
the B - the very same hardware (the NICs) refuses to function (again, the very 
same drivers modules are loaded automatically) - when I do

# ifup eth0

it says that I have no such device and some other errors. while lspci shows 
both of the devices. But in the /dev dir. I see no eth* devices.

I never had problems like this (all NICs always worked out of the box for me) and I do 
not know how I can solve the problem that seems "just should not to be". So I 
ask for Your help.

Thanks for Your time.

PS Please, reply to the list.


   
8139too is working fine for me, so shows me lspci -v; on a up to date 
lenny-machine.

maybe a hardware problem?
regards,

steef


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Re: Setting up HP J4580 on Debian?

[Andrew Malcolmson]

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Michael Yang  wrote:
>>> I used different ways to install drivers:
>>> 1. downloaded hplip all-in-one tar ball  from HP's website
>>> 2. install hplip from debian's repository
>>> 3. install hpoj, xsane from debian's repository replacing hplip
>>
>> Maybe the HP hplip went in /usr/local and remnants are conflicting with
>> the Debian packages?

The hplip in Lenny will support this printer.  This can be verified here:

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install_wizard/index.html

Try first uninstalling the hplip download as shown here:

http://hplipopensource.com/node/188

hpoj is obsolete so run

aptitude purge hpoj

Then reinstall hplip

If you're still not getting printing, you could search or ask at the
hplip support forum:

https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip

HTH


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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:27:56 +0100, Ervin Hegedüs wrote:

> there is a Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686, and udev
> 0.105.


"Etch" is not longer supported. Maybe upgrading to the latest stable 
should be desiderable :-?


> System has two USB SATA-II disks for backup. Since a few weeks the
> system can't make different between disks, all disks has same serial.


¿By "same serial" you mean "serial number"? :-?


> S:disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008
> S:disk/by-path/pci-:00:1d.7-usb-0:4:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 M:8:16
> E:ID_SERIAL=SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008 E:ID_TYPE=disk

> S:disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008
> S:disk/by-path/pci-:00:1d.7-usb-0:1:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 M:8:32
> E:ID_SERIAL=SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008 E:ID_TYPE=disk


Ugh. Indeed :-O


> I would like to use two rules to identify disks when user attach one of
> them, but system doesn't sense which disk has attached.


Give filesystems a "label" and use that to manage them. As they are 
external disks for backup it should be fine.


> The disk-by-id symlinks has created correctly: 
> # ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb*
> /dev/disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B000 -> ../../sdb 
  

> /dev/disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008 -> ../../sdc 
  

> As you can see there are the correct serial numbers.


Yes, but they get a different ID: one disks lasts with "B000" and the 
other with "B0008". Curious :-S
 

> What could be the problem?


Dunno, but you have many choices for designating the disks (label, id, 
uuid and path). Choose your poison :-)

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Re: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 causing grub problems: alphabetical

[Tom H]

>>> Again, is there no way to set a default in grub2?  Is there no
>>> way, for example, to make the last-booted kernel the default kernel?

>> Modify /etc/default/grub to point to the relevant stanza, then run
>> grub-update. Changes made directly to /boot/grub/grub.cfg will get
>> overwritten next update, of course.  Savedefault also work, IIRC.
>> Although I have never used that option myself.

> I'm glad to know that there is a way. Thanks.

You're welcome.

AFAIK, except for the "howmany" setting (and possibly your earlier
font issue), grub2 is just as flexible as grub1.


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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:
> On 3/17/2010 4:42 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:
>>> Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what can I do to put a stop to it?
>>
>> Look at the following metapackages, their descriptions and dependencies:
>>
>>  gnome
>>  gnome-desktop-environment
>>  gnome-core
>>
>> Choose the one which best suits your purposes and install it.
>
>
> Oddly, for some reason, they all require Gnash.  I'm rooting for Gnash, 
> I hope Gnash works out in the end, and with HTML5 video tag, maybe it 
> will, but on my system, in Sqeeze, all three packages are installed, 
> they all require each other, and they all require Gnash, which at the 
> moment, is not my first choice.  At all.
>

I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
the case on Lenny:

$ apt-cache depends gnome-core
gnome-core
  Depends: gnome-control-center
  Depends: eog
  Depends: gedit
  Depends: gnome-applets
  Depends: gnome-icon-theme
  Depends: gnome-menus
  Depends: gnome-panel
  Depends: gnome-session
  Depends: gnome-settings-daemon
  Depends: gnome-terminal
 |Depends: metacity
  Depends: compiz-gnome
  Depends: nautilus
 |Depends: rarian-compat
  Depends: scrollkeeper
rarian-compat
  Depends: yelp
  Suggests: gnome-desktop-environment

Which release are you running?

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Postfix + AWStats

[Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago]

Hello everyone,

I'm running Postfix 2.5.5 on a Debian system and I'm trying to get
AWstats to process my postfix mail log. I've read all FAQ at awstats'
and postix's homepage and none is aplicable.
As I read on http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_faq.html#MAIL
it is said that LogFormat has to be:
LogFormat="%time2 %email %email_r %host %host_r %method %url %code %
bytesd"

As I read help for these wildcards, I realize that:

%time2Date and time with format: -mm-dd hh:mm:ss

And my log file is not %time2 it should be %time3:

%time3Date and time with format: Mon dd hh:mm:ss or Mon dd
hh:mm:ss 

as I see on postfix's log:

Mar 14 06:30:37 externo2 postfix/pickup[11701]: EDC557B82AE: uid=0
from=
Mar 14 06:30:37 externo2 postfix/cleanup[16392]: EDC557B82AE:
message-id=<20100314053037.edc557b8...@externo>
Mar 14 06:30:38 externo2 postfix/qmgr[22768]: EDC557B82AE:
from=, size=1142, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 14 06:30:38 externo2 postfix/local[16483]: EDC557B82AE:
to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=305,
delays=305/0.06/0/0.11, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
Mar 14 06:30:38 externo2 postfix/qmgr[22768]: EDC557B82AE: removed

Each mail access to smtp has several lines (one for from, another for
to...) in log, so the awstats filter will never get the info it wants.

Has anyone succesfully configured AWstats to fit Postfix's 2.5.5 log
file format?

Thanks in advance.



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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-17 06:48, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:

On 3/17/2010 4:42 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:

Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what can I do to put a stop to it?

Look at the following metapackages, their descriptions and dependencies:

 gnome
 gnome-desktop-environment
 gnome-core

Choose the one which best suits your purposes and install it.


Oddly, for some reason, they all require Gnash.  I'm rooting for Gnash, 
I hope Gnash works out in the end, and with HTML5 video tag, maybe it 
will, but on my system, in Sqeeze, all three packages are installed, 
they all require each other, and they all require Gnash, which at the 
moment, is not my first choice.  At all.




I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
the case on Lenny:

$ apt-cache depends gnome-core
gnome-core
  Depends: gnome-control-center
  Depends: eog
  Depends: gedit
  Depends: gnome-applets
  Depends: gnome-icon-theme
  Depends: gnome-menus
  Depends: gnome-panel
  Depends: gnome-session
  Depends: gnome-settings-daemon
  Depends: gnome-terminal
 |Depends: metacity
  Depends: compiz-gnome
  Depends: nautilus
 |Depends: rarian-compat
  Depends: scrollkeeper
rarian-compat
  Depends: yelp
  Suggests: gnome-desktop-environment

Which release are you running?



$ apt-cache --recurse depends gnome | \
   grep -B30 '  Depends: mozilla-plugin-gnash'
gnome
  Depends: gnome-desktop-environment
 |Depends: gdm-themes
[snip]
  Depends: gnote
  Depends: mozilla-plugin-gnash


Package gnome depends on mozilla-plugin-gnash which depends on gnash.

Mark could always just remove gnome.  It's just a metapackage.

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Network Manager Shows No Connection

[Carlos Mennens]

I noticed two years ago when I installed Lenny (testing) that Gnome
showed no network connection however I did have an IP and could surf
fine. Last week I installed Squeeze and saw the same issue two years
later on completely different hardware. I just don't understand why
the network icon near the clock shows no connctivity. I have to assume
this happens to everyone but does anyone have a suggestion to correct
this?


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Re: Increasing or Freeing inodes

[Tom H]

> I got this warning from nagios about one of my debian systems
> DISK WARNING - free space: /var 426 GB (54% inode=99%): / 6 GB (1%
> inode=89%): /boot 173 GB (99% inode=99%):
> I am runnig backuppc on this server and I guess it is those hardlinks
> that are consuming the inodes.
> Is there any way to increase the inode nos?

If this is extX, AFAIK you have to back up you data, re-run mkfs with
"-N " to change the inode count, and restore your data.


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enabling tap and circular scroll on touchpad and modern debian/X

[Micha Feigin]

Debian has been constantly playing around with the touchpad (input device)
settings lately and broke my touchpad settings again.

How do I enable tapping and circular scrolling permanently (i.e each boot) on
the touchpad again with the modern debian?

It used to be in xorg.conf then it was hal with a file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/,
what is it now?

I'm using debian unstable with xfce as windows manager (so gnome/kde settings 
are
not relevant)

Thanks


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Re: Network Manager Shows No Connection

[Tom H]

> I noticed two years ago when I installed Lenny (testing) that Gnome
> showed no network connection however I did have an IP and could surf
> fine. Last week I installed Squeeze and saw the same issue two years
> later on completely different hardware. I just don't understand why
> the network icon near the clock shows no connctivity.

Have you defined the NIC that you are using for network access in
/etc/network/interfaces?

If you do and are using Network Manager, the network icon will not
indicate whether you are or are not connected.

You can change the "managed" setting in
/etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
to use Network Manager and /etc/network/interfaces simultaneously and
this will probably show you a "connected" status when you have network
access.


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Re: Postfix + AWStats

[Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago]

El mié, 17-03-2010 a las 13:01 +0100, Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago
escribió:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm running Postfix 2.5.5 on a Debian system and I'm trying to get
> AWstats to process my postfix mail log. I've read all FAQ at awstats'
> and postix's homepage and none is aplicable.
> As I read on http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_faq.html#MAIL
> it is said that LogFormat has to be:
> LogFormat="%time2 %email %email_r %host %host_r %method %url %code %
> bytesd"
> 
> As I read help for these wildcards, I realize that:
> 
> %time2Date and time with format: -mm-dd hh:mm:ss
> 
> And my log file is not %time2 it should be %time3:
> 
> %time3Date and time with format: Mon dd hh:mm:ss or Mon dd
> hh:mm:ss 
> 
> as I see on postfix's log:
> 
> Mar 14 06:30:37 externo2 postfix/pickup[11701]: EDC557B82AE: uid=0
> from=
> Mar 14 06:30:37 externo2 postfix/cleanup[16392]: EDC557B82AE:
> message-id=<20100314053037.edc557b8...@externo>
> Mar 14 06:30:38 externo2 postfix/qmgr[22768]: EDC557B82AE:
> from=, size=1142, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Mar 14 06:30:38 externo2 postfix/local[16483]: EDC557B82AE:
> to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=305,
> delays=305/0.06/0/0.11, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
> Mar 14 06:30:38 externo2 postfix/qmgr[22768]: EDC557B82AE: removed
> 
> Each mail access to smtp has several lines (one for from, another for
> to...) in log, so the awstats filter will never get the info it wants.
> 
> Has anyone succesfully configured AWstats to fit Postfix's 2.5.5 log
> file format?
> 
> Thanks in advance.


OK, my fault I was missing an option in LogFile parameter.
Obfuscation... :P



Thanks anyway,
Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago.


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Re: Increasing or Freeing inodes

[Siju George]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Tom H  wrote:
>
> > I got this warning from nagios about one of my debian systems
> > DISK WARNING - free space: /var 426 GB (54% inode=99%): / 6 GB (1%
> > inode=89%): /boot 173 GB (99% inode=99%):
> > I am runnig backuppc on this server and I guess it is those hardlinks
> > that are consuming the inodes.
> > Is there any way to increase the inode nos?
>
> If this is extX, AFAIK you have to back up you data, re-run mkfs with
> "-N " to change the inode count, and restore your data.
>

Thanks

How do I find the No. of inodes left for me to use?

Thanks

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Re: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 causing grub problems: alphabetical

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:40:43 -0400
Tom H  wrote:

Hello Tom,

> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved

That's the one.  Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: More Xorg

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:43:21 -0400 (EDT)
Stephen Powell  wrote:

Hello Stephen,

>Chipset "GeForce 8300 GS"
> in the "Device" section.  I have no idea if it will work.  It's a shot
> in the dark.

Sadly, no joy with that option, either.

Once again, Stephen, thank you for all your assistance.

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Re: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 causing grub problems: alphabetical

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:46:47 -0400 (EDT)
Stephen Powell  wrote:

Hello Stephen,

> I'm glad to know that there is a way.  Thanks.

YW.

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Re: Increasing or Freeing inodes

[Javier Barroso]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Siju George  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Tom H  wrote:
>>
>> > I got this warning from nagios about one of my debian systems
>> > DISK WARNING - free space: /var 426 GB (54% inode=99%): / 6 GB (1%
>> > inode=89%): /boot 173 GB (99% inode=99%):
>> > I am runnig backuppc on this server and I guess it is those hardlinks
>> > that are consuming the inodes.
>> > Is there any way to increase the inode nos?
>>
>> If this is extX, AFAIK you have to back up you data, re-run mkfs with
>> "-N " to change the inode count, and restore your data.
>>
>
> Thanks
>
> How do I find the No. of inodes left for me to use?
df -i

Which filesystem is better for partitions which are going to host too
many hard links ? I always use ext3, but I think it is slow in system
with many hard links, i don't known if other filesystems are better.
A fast google search didn't find any response to this question

Thank you very much !


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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Johan Grönqvist]

I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
the case on Lenny:



I it was introduced into squeeze yesterday (source package meta-gnome2 
2.28+6 transitioned to squeeze on 2010-03-16). The reason seems to be 
that swfdec was removed. The changelog[0] for meta-gnome2 says (among 
other things):



  * Drop swfdec-gnome.
  * Make gnome depend on mozilla-plugin-gnash so that there’s at least
something for Flash websites.




[0]: 




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Re: More Xorg

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:20:26 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue,16.Mar.10, 13:56:27, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe one of these days, when I feel more adventuresome, I may give
>> this a try myself.  I have two systems at home with Nvidia video cards.
>> The trouble is, they're OLD Nvidia cards.  The proprietary driver
>> may have dropped support for them by now.  RIVA TNT2 and GeForce2 MX/MX 400
> 
> The official driver from nvidia has dropped support, but Debian still 
> carries them. You will need the -legacy-71xx and -legacy-96xx packages 
> for those chipsets.

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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Ervin Hegedüs]

Hello,


> "Etch" is not longer supported. Maybe upgrading to the latest stable
> should be desiderable :-?
I know, but this is what we have, currently it's not option.

>> System has two USB SATA-II disks for backup. Since a few weeks the
>> system can't make different between disks, all disks has same serial.
>
>
> ¿By "same serial" you mean "serial number"? :-?
yes, to specify "same serial number".

>> S:disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008
>> S:disk/by-path/pci-:00:1d.7-usb-0:4:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 M:8:16
>> E:ID_SERIAL=SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008 E:ID_TYPE=disk
>
>> S:disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008
>> S:disk/by-path/pci-:00:1d.7-usb-0:1:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 M:8:32
>> E:ID_SERIAL=SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008 E:ID_TYPE=disk
>
>
> Ugh. Indeed :-O
yes :(

>> I would like to use two rules to identify disks when user attach one of
>> them, but system doesn't sense which disk has attached.
>
> Give filesystems a "label" and use that to manage them. As they are
> external disks for backup it should be fine.

hmm... how can I "catch" which is the label of the attached disk?
'Cause (theorerically) udev gives disk id by disk phisycal attributes,
eg serial...
Label is _not_ a phisycal attribute (as I know).

Is there any way?

>> The disk-by-id symlinks has created correctly:
>> # ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb*
>> /dev/disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B000 -> ../../sdb
>                                              
>
>> /dev/disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_HD642JJ_31AF4D71B008 -> ../../sdc
>                                              
>
>> As you can see there are the correct serial numbers.
As you can see I wrote that :)

again:
>> The disk-by-id symlinks has created correctly:

> Yes, but they get a different ID: one disks lasts with "B000" and the
> other with "B0008". Curious :-S

hmmm... I think they didn't _get_ serial - they _have_ serial.
and my problem is system can't recognize that. And it's more than curious... :P

>> What could be the problem?
>
> Dunno, but you have many choices for designating the disks (label, id,
> uuid and path). Choose your poison :-)

do you mean I have to read the symlink of devie, and determine the phisycal disk
by that?


(but the question is still opened: why doesn't recognize the system
the different
serial numbers?)


thank you:


a.


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Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:47:55 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:36 +, Bob Cox wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 17:09:05 -0400, Wayne wrote: 
> > > After downloading the buggy openoffice suite for the 3rd time in the  
> > > past month.  I would like to propose a new feature for aptitude.
> 
> > How about apt-listbugs?
> 
> That's exactly what Wayne is talking about IMHO - if you install
> apt-listbugs it will be run automatically for each package that is to be
> installed, but *after* all packages have been downloaded, which is a
> waste of bandwith, time and money.
> 
> > apt-listbugs -s all list openoffice.org
> 
> Nobody will manually verify each package that is going to be installed. 

apt-listbugs list $(aptitude -F%p search '~U')

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Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Alexey Salmin]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Florian Kulzer
 wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:47:55 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 08:36 +, Bob Cox wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 17:09:05 -0400, Wayne wrote:
>> > > After downloading the buggy openoffice suite for the 3rd time in the
>> > > past month.  I would like to propose a new feature for aptitude.
>>
>> > How about apt-listbugs?
>>
>> That's exactly what Wayne is talking about IMHO - if you install
>> apt-listbugs it will be run automatically for each package that is to be
>> installed, but *after* all packages have been downloaded, which is a
>> waste of bandwith, time and money.
>>
>> > apt-listbugs -s all list openoffice.org
>>
>> Nobody will manually verify each package that is going to be installed.
>
> apt-listbugs list $(aptitude -F%p search '~U')
>
And then you need to select non-buggy packages and pass them to
aptitude install. Sure, can be done by a bash script but I think it
deserves to be a standard aptitude operation or something.

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Re: Unusable free space?

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:12:49 -0400 (EDT), Aioanei Rares wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have a HDD (the only one, in fact) with the following layout , 
> as reported by df :
> 
> /dev/sda2  99G  886M   93G   1% /
> /dev/sda1 2.0G  170M  1.8G   9% /boot
> /dev/sda5 345G  232G   96G  71% /home
> /dev/sda8  29G  172M   27G   1% /tmp
> /dev/sda6  59G  5.2G   54G   9% /usr
> /dev/sda7  20G  3.1G   17G  16% /var
> 
> Now, at the end, I have some 137 GB unpartitioned/unformatted. How can I 
> use this free space, since gparted ran from a LiveCD tells me that I 
> need to make a logical partition (which is /dev/sda4) in order to create 
> partitions anew in that free space. It's probably lack of sleep, but 
> please help me out here. :)

I may not be the brightest bulb on the shelf, but there's something I
don't understand here.  If I understand the traditional MS-DOS
disk partitioning scheme correctly, partition numbers 1-4 are reserved
for primary or extended partitions.  A minimum of 0, maximum of 1
extended partitions is allowed, a minimum of 0, maximum of 4 primary
partitions is allowed, and the total of primary + extended partitions
is minimum of 0, maximum of 4.  This information is stored in the
master boot record.

Logical partitions are subdivisions of the extended partition, starting
with partition numbers 5 and up.  The information on logical partitions
is stored in the boot sector for the extended partition.

OK, so with that said, you obviously already have an extended partition,
since you have logical partitions defined (partition numbers 5 and
higher).  You have two partitions numbered in the range 1-4 (1 and 2,
to be specific).  I'm guessing that 1 is a primary and 2 is the
extended.  Now, how could you create a new logical partition called
/dev/sda4?  That's not possible, according to my understanding.
The next logical partition will be /dev/sda9.

You can still create up to two more primary partitions, providing
the space is available outside the extended partition, and these
would have names /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4, respectively.  But there's
no way you can create a new logical partition called /dev/sda4.

After resolving this inconsistency, I still really don't understand
your question.  What you literally asked is, "How can I use this
free space"?  The answer is to create another partition, the same
way you used the rest of the space.  What's the problem with that?
What exactly is it that you are trying to accomplish, and what is
the obstacle to accomplishing it?  Please be more specific.

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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Cassiano Leal]

Hi

On 17 March 2010 07:27, Joost Kraaijeveld  wrote:
> Hi Andrei,
>
> OK, doing
>
> modprobe -r radeon
> modprobe radeon modeset=1
>
> using 2.6.32-3-amd64 results in a working machine which actually
> performance workplace and application switching at acceptable speed.
>
> Now I just have 1 error left in my XOrg.log:
>
> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version 
> mismatch.
> [dri] radeon kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is 
> needed.
> [dri] Disabling DRI.

Have a look at http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo#TroubleshootingKMSproblems

If you are loading the module after having already started X, then
this might be the only problem. See below.

> BTW: how can I get the radeon module loaded with those parameters by
> default? Stopping gdm, un- and reloading the driver manually is rather
> cumbersome.

Edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add the line:

radeon modeset=1

Save the file and run (as root):

# update-initramfs -u

Reboot, this should do it.

If enabling KMS on boot does not solve your DRI problem, please report
back. I had the same problem when I first installed Debian on my home
computer and I have solved it, but I don't remember the exact steps I
took to fix it.

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Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:44 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:47:55 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:

>> Nobody will manually verify each package that is going to be installed. 

> apt-listbugs list $(aptitude -F%p search '~U')

Thanks for the aptitude-fu, but I don't think that I'll do that every
time before I'll upgrade some packages. It also seems as if it is not
possible to put these packages on hold *from within apt-listbugs*.

I know that this is easily solved with a little more aptitude-fu, but
still ... what's wrong with execting apt-listbugs *before* any package
is downloaded?

I think that the proposed change in apt-listbugs is valid and would
endorse it as the effect will be the same, with the important difference
that it saves time, bandwith, money and results in less downloads from
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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Johan Grönqvist  wrote:
>> I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
>> the case on Lenny:
>
>
> I it was introduced into squeeze yesterday (source package meta-gnome2 
> 2.28+6 transitioned to squeeze on 2010-03-16). The reason seems to be 
> that swfdec was removed. The changelog[0] for meta-gnome2 says (among 
> other things):
>
>
>* Drop swfdec-gnome.
>* Make gnome depend on mozilla-plugin-gnash so that there’s at least
>  something for Flash websites.
>

The changelog appears to refer to the gnome metapackage rather than
gnome-core.

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Re: Increasing or Freeing inodes

[Stan Hoeppner]

Tom H put forth on 3/17/2010 7:25 AM:
>> I got this warning from nagios about one of my debian systems
>> DISK WARNING - free space: /var 426 GB (54% inode=99%): / 6 GB (1%
>> inode=89%): /boot 173 GB (99% inode=99%):
>> I am runnig backuppc on this server and I guess it is those hardlinks
>> that are consuming the inodes.
>> Is there any way to increase the inode nos?
> 
> If this is extX, AFAIK you have to back up you data, re-run mkfs with
> "-N " to change the inode count, and restore your data.

May as well use "mkfs.xfs" instead, and never have to worry about inodes
again.  XFS uses variable inodes and thus never runs out.

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> On 2010-03-17 06:48, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
>> the case on Lenny:
>> 
>> $ apt-cache depends gnome-core
>> gnome-core
>>   Depends: gnome-control-center
>>   Depends: eog
>>   Depends: gedit
>>   Depends: gnome-applets
>>   Depends: gnome-icon-theme
>>   Depends: gnome-menus
>>   Depends: gnome-panel
>>   Depends: gnome-session
>>   Depends: gnome-settings-daemon
>>   Depends: gnome-terminal
>>  |Depends: metacity
>>   Depends: compiz-gnome
>>   Depends: nautilus
>>  |Depends: rarian-compat
>>   Depends: scrollkeeper
>> rarian-compat
>>   Depends: yelp
>>   Suggests: gnome-desktop-environment
>> 
>> Which release are you running?
>> 
>
> $ apt-cache --recurse depends gnome | \
> grep -B30 '  Depends: mozilla-plugin-gnash'
> gnome
>Depends: gnome-desktop-environment
>  |Depends: gdm-themes
> [snip]
>Depends: gnote
>Depends: mozilla-plugin-gnash
>

Yes, gnome depends on gnash, but gnome-core does not.

>
> Package gnome depends on mozilla-plugin-gnash which depends on gnash.
>
> Mark could always just remove gnome.  It's just a metapackage.
>

Yes again. But depending on how the gnome metapackage was installed,
removing it can also remove its dependents. Installing one of the lesser
metapackages beforehand would reduce the impact of that.

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Re: Radeon HD 3850 / RV670 AGP: no firmware loaded / slow

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

Hi,

Thanks for the response.

On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 10:04 -0300, Cassiano Leal wrote: 
> > (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version 
> > mismatch.
> > [dri] radeon kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is 
> > needed.
> > [dri] Disabling DRI.
> 
> Have a look at 
> http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo#TroubleshootingKMSproblems

> If you are loading the module after having already started X, then
> this might be the only problem. See below.
> 
> > BTW: how can I get the radeon module loaded with those parameters by
> > default? Stopping gdm, un- and reloading the driver manually is rather
> > cumbersome.
> 
> Edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add the line:
> 
> radeon modeset=1
> 
> Save the file and run (as root):
> 
> # update-initramfs -u
> 
> Reboot, this should do it.
> 
> If enabling KMS on boot does not solve your DRI problem, please report
> back. I had the same problem when I first installed Debian on my home
> computer and I have solved it, but I don't remember the exact steps I
> took to fix it.

It did not work, I keep getting the same error. If you have the time to
look at you home solution, please do. I would really appreciate that.

TIA

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Re: enabling tap and circular scroll on touchpad and modern debian/X

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:29:08 +0200
Micha Feigin  wrote:

> Debian has been constantly playing around with the touchpad (input device)
> settings lately and broke my touchpad settings again.
> 
> How do I enable tapping and circular scrolling permanently (i.e each boot) on
> the touchpad again with the modern debian?
> 
> It used to be in xorg.conf then it was hal with a file in 
> /etc/hal/fdi/policy/,
> what is it now?
> 
> I'm using debian unstable with xfce as windows manager (so gnome/kde settings 
> are
> not relevant)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 

I found that xinput can set the values but they are forgotten if a device is
disconnected and reconnected and on startup (and I don't know if the device
numbers are even persistent in any form and it doesn't seem to take device name)

Is it possible to set these values automatically somewhere?

Thanks


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Re: New Lenny to Squeeze install problems on ASUS eee

[Marc Shapiro]

Thanks, Andrei.  That did it.  I had seen that message and should have thought 
of that, myself.  I now have a fully updated (to Squeeze) eeePC.  My only 
problem now is that I still have no wireless.  I installed wicd, but it says 
that it does not detect any wireless networks.  When I boot the eee into 
eeebuntu 3.0 it finds my wireless and several others without any problems, so 
the hardware is good and the wireless is there

I then remembered that the wireless was probably not configured, since it did 
not manage to do the install by wireless.  I had to plug in an ethernet cable 
to install.  So I added:


auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp

to my /etc/network/interfaces file and rebooted. Still no wireless detected.  I 
guess the next thing is to make sure that the driver is being loaded.  It 
should be using ath5k.  That should have been installed during the 
installation, even if it didn't use the wireless for the install, but if so, I 
don't know what else to try in getting the wireless working.  I will verify 
that the next time I boot it up.

If the module is loaded, does anyone have any ideas on what I should try next?

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- Original Message 
From: Andrei Popescu 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:02:23 AM
Subject: Re: New Lenny to Squeeze install problems on ASUS eee

On Tue,16.Mar.10, 00:36:27, Chance Platt wrote:
> >
> >   aptitude install hal udev linux-image-2.6.32-3-686
> >
> 
> Your computer has to be running the more current kernel before udev
> updates .. reboot into the newer kernel and finish (aptitude
> full-upgrade).

...but the new kernel won't install.

Because you are installing the kernel in the same run you can force udev 
to accept the upgrade by creating a specific file. I don't recall what 
file, but it is mentioned in the error message.

Regards,
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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Johan Grönqvist]

Liam O'Toole skrev:

On 2010-03-17, Johan Grönqvist  wrote:

I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
the case on Lenny:


I it was introduced into squeeze yesterday (source package meta-gnome2 
2.28+6 transitioned to squeeze on 2010-03-16). The reason seems to be 
that swfdec was removed. The changelog[0] for meta-gnome2 says (among 
other things):



   * Drop swfdec-gnome.
   * Make gnome depend on mozilla-plugin-gnash so that there’s at least
 something for Flash websites.



The changelog appears to refer to the gnome metapackage rather than
gnome-core.



The changelog refers to meta-gnome2, which is a source package from 
which the three binary packages gnome, gnome-core and 
gnome-desktop-environment (and some more packages) are built.


Thus, the changelog holds for the source package, and I do not know how 
to see what change holds for which binary package. I do not even know if 
binary packages can have changelogs separate form their source packages.


The changelog quote was intended to answer the question why things are 
different in squeeze than in lenny.


Looking at the binary packages, I agree that the packages gnome-core and 
gnome-desktop environment do not depend on gnash, whereas gnome does 
(via the mozilla plugin).


/ johan


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Re: More Xorg

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:10:00 -0400 (EDT), Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:43:21 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
>>Chipset "GeForce 8300 GS"
>> in the "Device" section.  I have no idea if it will work.  It's a shot
>> in the dark.
> 
> Sadly, no joy with that option, either.
> 
> Once again, Stephen, thank you for all your assistance.

You're welcome, but I am disappointed too.  I'm curious to know what
the failure symptom was.  Did it complain that the chipset override was
invalid?  Or did it accept the chipset override but fail to initialize
the server?  Or did it work for a while and then freeze up?  What was
the symptom of the failure?

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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:58:03 +0100, Ervin Hegedüs wrote:

>>> I would like to use two rules to identify disks when user attach one
>>> of them, but system doesn't sense which disk has attached.
>>
>> Give filesystems a "label" and use that to manage them. As they are
>> external disks for backup it should be fine.
> 
> hmm... how can I "catch" which is the label of the attached disk? 


"ls -l /dev/disk/by-label" will tell you if there is any current label on 
the filesystems. Look:

s...@stt008:~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-label
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 mar 17 07:50 ALFA -> ../../sda2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 mar 17 07:50 system2 -> ../../sda3

I use to specify a label on partitions at install time, when formatting, 
even though I do not use it :-P.


> 'Cause
> (theorerically) udev gives disk id by disk phisycal attributes, eg
> serial...
> Label is _not_ a phisycal attribute (as I know).


Well, it's a physical attribute as soon as you write it on the disk :-)
 

> Is there any way?


You said before something about writting udev rules "to differentiate the 
disks". What is your main purpose on this? I mean, you can mount them 
using their "label" nomenclature :-?


>> Yes, but they get a different ID: one disks lasts with "B000" and the
>> other with "B0008". Curious :-S
> 
> hmmm... I think they didn't _get_ serial - they _have_ serial. and my
> problem is system can't recognize that. And it's more than curious... :P

I'm not sure this works when using USB enclosures (as not all ATA 
commands are passed to "smart"), but it is worth a try:

smartctl -i /dev/sdb
smartctl -i /dev/sdc

And put here the output (if any). That should give us more information 
(serial number, firmware release, etc...) about the drives.


>>> What could be the problem?
>>
>> Dunno, but you have many choices for designating the disks (label, id,
>> uuid and path). Choose your poison :-)
> 
> do you mean I have to read the symlink of devie, and determine the
> phisycal disk by that?


I mean you can use four methods to uniquely identify the devices.
 

> (but the question is still opened: why doesn't recognize the system the
> different
> serial numbers?)


It's possible the drives have indeed the same serial number, or just that 
udev is not gathering the right information from the right place, who 
knows... we have to dig a bit more.

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Fw: New Lenny to Squeeze install problems on ASUS eee

[Marc Shapiro]

Oops, sorry, Lisi, I didn't mean to send that directly to you and not the list. 
 I just switched to using Yahoo! webmail instead of Thunderbird and I need to 
remember that it replies to sender by default.

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- Forwarded Message 
From: Marc Shapiro 
To: Lisi 
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 7:11:08 AM
Subject: Re: New Lenny to Squeeze install problems on ASUS eee

I saw that there was a backport after the update, but thanks, anyway.  The 
update is now complete, but, as I just posted elsewhere in the thread, I still 
can't find any wireless networks.  I need to check to make sure the ath5k 
module is loaded.

Marc Shapiro
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- Original Message 
From: Lisi 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 3:31:53 PM
Subject: Re: New Lenny to Squeeze install problems on ASUS eee

On Tuesday 16 March 2010 04:37:18 Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I am running Lenny on my desktop and would prefer to run Debian on the eee,
> as well.  So I found EeePC/HowTo/Install on the wiki and used the custom
> installer to install Lenny, as was suggested.  The wiki seemed to suggest
> that I might have better luck getting wireless to work with a newer kernel,
> so I did an immediate upgrade to Sqeeze.

This is probably too late to be useful, but you may not need to upgrade.  I 
had the same problem on my Acer One, and was able to solve it by backporting 
2.6.30-bpo.2-686 from Lenny Backports.

Lisi 


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Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 14:15:53 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:44 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:47:55 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> 
> >> Nobody will manually verify each package that is going to be installed. 
> 
> > apt-listbugs list $(aptitude -F%p search '~U')
> 
> Thanks for the aptitude-fu, but I don't think that I'll do that every
> time before I'll upgrade some packages. It also seems as if it is not
> possible to put these packages on hold *from within apt-listbugs*.

Side note: I would use "forbid-version" rather than "hold" to only block
upgrades to the specific buggy versions. As you point out yourself
below, it is trivial to automate something like this if one wants to do
so.

> I know that this is easily solved with a little more aptitude-fu, but
> still ... what's wrong with execting apt-listbugs *before* any package
> is downloaded?

I do not think anything is wrong with that and I did not mean to argue
against this proposed change.

> I think that the proposed change in apt-listbugs is valid and would
> endorse it as the effect will be the same, with the important difference
> that it saves time, bandwith, money and results in less downloads from
> the mirrors.

My only intention was to point out (what I think is) a reasonably
convenient workaround for the present bandwidth-wasting behavior.

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Johan Grönqvist  wrote:
> Liam O'Toole skrev:
>> On 2010-03-17, Johan Grönqvist  wrote:
 I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
 the case on Lenny:
>>>
>>> I it was introduced into squeeze yesterday (source package meta-gnome2 
>>> 2.28+6 transitioned to squeeze on 2010-03-16). The reason seems to be 
>>> that swfdec was removed. The changelog[0] for meta-gnome2 says (among 
>>> other things):
>>>
>>>
>>>* Drop swfdec-gnome.
>>>* Make gnome depend on mozilla-plugin-gnash so that there’s at least
>>>  something for Flash websites.
>>>
>> 
>> The changelog appears to refer to the gnome metapackage rather than
>> gnome-core.
>> 
>
> The changelog refers to meta-gnome2, which is a source package from 
> which the three binary packages gnome, gnome-core and 
> gnome-desktop-environment (and some more packages) are built.

I was speaking specifically about this part: "Make gnome depend on
mozilla-plugin-gnash". I interpret that to mean the gnome metapackage
rather than the other, lesser, ones.

>
> Thus, the changelog holds for the source package, and I do not know how 
> to see what change holds for which binary package. I do not even know if 
> binary packages can have changelogs separate form their source packages.

As far as I can tell, no.

>
> The changelog quote was intended to answer the question why things are 
> different in squeeze than in lenny.

Thanks for the information.

>
> Looking at the binary packages, I agree that the packages gnome-core and 
> gnome-desktop environment do not depend on gnash, whereas gnome does 
> (via the mozilla plugin).

That is consistent with my remarks above.

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[ANNOUNCE] apt-offline 0.9.7 released

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

Hello World,

I'm pleased to announce apt-offline version 0.9.7.

Release Highlights
* Major bug fixes


Please see the git log for full details[1].
.

What is apt-offline ?

 apt-offline is an Offline APT Package Manager
 .
 apt-offline can fully update and upgrade an APT based distribution without
 connecting to the network, all of it transparent to apt
 .
 apt-offline can be used to generate a signature on a machine (with no network).
 This signature contains all download information required for the apt 
database system. This signature file can be used on another machine connected   
to the internet (which need not be a Debian box and can even be running 
windows) to download the updates.
 The downloaded data will contain all updates in a format understood by apt 
and this data can be used by apt-offline to update the non-networked machine.
 .
 apt-offline can also fetch bug reports and make them available offline



apt-offline is available at [2] and the latest 0.9.7 release can be downloaded 
here [3]

[1] http://git.debian.org/?p=apt-offline/apt-offline.git
[2] https://alioth.debian.org/projects/apt-offline/
[3] https://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=100399&release_id=1487


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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-17 08:31, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-03-17, Ron Johnson  wrote:

[snip]


Mark could always just remove gnome.  It's just a metapackage.



Yes again. But depending on how the gnome metapackage was installed,
removing it can also remove its dependents. Installing one of the lesser
metapackages beforehand would reduce the impact of that.



That's the difference between The One True APT Front End and that 
Evil Abomination, Aptitude.


apt-get just says, "I think these packages can be removed" but 
doesn't scare the crud out of you by actually being an errant "Y" 
away from doing it.


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Re: Unusable free space?

[Stan Hoeppner]

Stephen Powell put forth on 3/17/2010 8:20 AM:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:12:49 -0400 (EDT), Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I have a HDD (the only one, in fact) with the following layout , 
>> as reported by df :
>>
>> /dev/sda2  99G  886M   93G   1% /
>> /dev/sda1 2.0G  170M  1.8G   9% /boot
>> /dev/sda5 345G  232G   96G  71% /home
>> /dev/sda8  29G  172M   27G   1% /tmp
>> /dev/sda6  59G  5.2G   54G   9% /usr
>> /dev/sda7  20G  3.1G   17G  16% /var
>>
>> Now, at the end, I have some 137 GB unpartitioned/unformatted. How can I 
>> use this free space, since gparted ran from a LiveCD tells me that I 
>> need to make a logical partition (which is /dev/sda4) in order to create 
>> partitions anew in that free space. It's probably lack of sleep, but 
>> please help me out here. :)

> You can still create up to two more primary partitions, providing

Not necessarily.  He's not showing swap (assuming he's using a partition not
a file).  If partition, swap is at /dev/sda3, 4, or 9.

> the space is available outside the extended partition, and these
> would have names /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4, respectively.  But there's
> no way you can create a new logical partition called /dev/sda4.

Agreed, there's not.  He'd have to make a primary partition to get a device
name of /dev/sda4.  I'm not sure what you mean by "space is available
outside the extended partition".  TTBOMK, extended partitions are place
holders.  They don't own or contain any blocks unless or until you create
logical partitions after having created an extended partition.  If there is
still unallocated space anywhere on the block device, and there are both
unassigned primary and logical partitions available, he can freely use
either.  For instance, on my vanity server I have a similar situation:
http://www.hardwarefreak.com/cfdisk.jpg

I have about 250GB of unallocated space within which I can create two
additional primary partitions, or unlimited? logical partitions.

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Re: enabling tap and circular scroll on touchpad and modern debian/X

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:29:08 +0200
Micha Feigin  wrote:

> Debian has been constantly playing around with the touchpad (input device)
> settings lately and broke my touchpad settings again.
> 
> How do I enable tapping and circular scrolling permanently (i.e each boot) on
> the touchpad again with the modern debian?
> 
> It used to be in xorg.conf then it was hal with a file in 
> /etc/hal/fdi/policy/,
> what is it now?
> 
> I'm using debian unstable with xfce as windows manager (so gnome/kde settings 
> are
> not relevant)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 

Ok, if I get things correctly, I need to setup a udev rule for each mouse
(touchpad, trackpoint, bluetooth mouse) to set the options for each one.

Is there a reference somewhere as to how to do this?

Thanks


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Re: Unusable free space?

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:12:49 -0400 (EDT), Aioanei Rares wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I have a HDD (the only one, in fact) with the following layout , 
>> as reported by df :
>> 
>> /dev/sda2  99G  886M   93G   1% /
>> /dev/sda1 2.0G  170M  1.8G   9% /boot
>> /dev/sda5 345G  232G   96G  71% /home
>> /dev/sda8  29G  172M   27G   1% /tmp
>> /dev/sda6  59G  5.2G   54G   9% /usr
>> /dev/sda7  20G  3.1G   17G  16% /var

I just noticed something else.  /dev/sda1 is mapped to "/boot" and
/dev/sda2 is mapped to "/".  That means that they are both primary
partitions, since an extended partition cannot be directly used.
Apparently, there is a "lurker" partition, /dev/sda3, which is not
present in the above list, which is the extended partition.  That
means that you can create a primary partition as /dev/sda4, if there
is free space outside the extended partition, or a logical
partition as /dev/sda9, if there is free space within the extended
partition.

Some partition management programs automatically
extend the extended partition to cover the new logical drive
if you try to add a new logical drive outside the existing
extended partition.  Others may require you to increase the size of the
extended partition first, then create the new logical drive within
the free space within the extended partition.  It depends on what
tools you are using.

Maybe that is the question you were trying to ask.

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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Ervin Hegedüs]

Hello,

>> hmm... how can I "catch" which is the label of the attached disk?
>
>
> "ls -l /dev/disk/by-label" will tell you if there is any current label on
> the filesystems. Look:
>
> s...@stt008:~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-label
> total 0
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 mar 17 07:50 ALFA -> ../../sda2
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 mar 17 07:50 system2 -> ../../sda3
>
> I use to specify a label on partitions at install time, when formatting,
> even though I do not use it :-P.

thanks, sorry I think we don't understand each other...
I know how can I determine labels, I would like to make some elegant
way for user
plug USB disk, and udev catch that event, send an email for me which
contains serial
part of disk. I think I can do that just udev calls a script which
read the label...

>> 'Cause (theorerically) udev gives disk id by disk phisycal attributes, eg
>> serial...
>> Label is _not_ a phisycal attribute (as I know).
>
>
> Well, it's a physical attribute as soon as you write it on the disk :-)

It's good for a joke... :)

>> Is there any way?
>
> You said before something about writting udev rules "to differentiate the
> disks". What is your main purpose on this? I mean, you can mount them
> using their "label" nomenclature :-?

no, the system is so far for me, I just administrate it.
There are two disks for backups. Users (near system) change disks every
monday. They need to know, which is the next disk (eg.: user misses change
disk at last week...)
After the user plugs new disk it need to send a notify message, backup disk
has changed, and which is the new disk.

So, I belived it till now udev and rules can handle this - udev calls
a script with a
parameter, and scripts send a mail - but now it need to find the
label/correct id,
and after it can send the mail.

>>> Yes, but they get a different ID: one disks lasts with "B000" and the
>>> other with "B0008". Curious :-S
>>
>> hmmm... I think they didn't _get_ serial - they _have_ serial. and my
>> problem is system can't recognize that. And it's more than curious... :P
>
> I'm not sure this works when using USB enclosures (as not all ATA
> commands are passed to "smart"), but it is worth a try:
>
> smartctl -i /dev/sdb
> smartctl -i /dev/sdc

meantime a user unplugs disks, so _currently_ I can't check it out.

> And put here the output (if any). That should give us more information
> (serial number, firmware release, etc...) about the drives.

ok, thanks.

> It's possible the drives have indeed the same serial number, or just that
> udev is not gathering the right information from the right place, who
> knows... we have to dig a bit more.

no, I'm sure it's not, 'cause the symlinks couldn't shows different serial...

(and it's been working a few months ago - may be the last update messes it...?
it was in January)



thank you for your help:


a


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Re: enabling tap and circular scroll on touchpad and modern debian/X

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Micha Feigin schreef:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:29:08 +0200
Micha Feigin  wrote:


Debian has been constantly playing around with the touchpad (input device)
settings lately and broke my touchpad settings again.

How do I enable tapping and circular scrolling permanently (i.e each boot) on
the touchpad again with the modern debian?

It used to be in xorg.conf then it was hal with a file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/,
what is it now?

I'm using debian unstable with xfce as windows manager (so gnome/kde settings 
are
not relevant)

Thanks




Ok, if I get things correctly, I need to setup a udev rule for each mouse
(touchpad, trackpoint, bluetooth mouse) to set the options for each one.

Is there a reference somewhere as to how to do this?
I think you'll find some infor on 
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/X/InputConfiguration


Dou you have a synaptics touchpad? When I get home, I can mail you my 
udev rule for tapping and two-finger scrolling.


Sjoerd



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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:55:35 +0100, Ervin Hegedüs wrote:

> thanks, sorry I think we don't understand each other... I know how can I
> determine labels, I would like to make some elegant way for user
> plug USB disk, and udev catch that event, send an email for me which
> contains serial
> part of disk. I think I can do that just udev calls a script which read
> the label...

Yes. This can be achieved with "$env{ID_FS_LABEL}" variable used by 
"udev" (I've had to search for this :-P):

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev

That way you can forget about the serial number of the disks being 
detected the same as the devices/partitions will be identified by their 
label :-)

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Re: use preseeding for one package

[Chantal Rosmuller]

Op dinsdag 16 maart 2010 15:39:50 schreef Tzafrir Cohen:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 08:06:34AM +0100, Chantal Rosmuller wrote:
> > > You can force the non-interactive front-end by setting
> > > DEBIAN_FRONTEND in the environment:
> > >
> > >   DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive 

Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Wayne]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 14:15:53 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 13:44 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:47:55 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
Nobody will manually verify each package that is going to be installed. 

apt-listbugs list $(aptitude -F%p search '~U')

Thanks for the aptitude-fu, but I don't think that I'll do that every
time before I'll upgrade some packages. It also seems as if it is not
possible to put these packages on hold *from within apt-listbugs*.


Side note: I would use "forbid-version" rather than "hold" to only block
upgrades to the specific buggy versions. As you point out yourself
below, it is trivial to automate something like this if one wants to do
so.


I know that this is easily solved with a little more aptitude-fu, but
still ... what's wrong with execting apt-listbugs *before* any package
is downloaded?


I do not think anything is wrong with that and I did not mean to argue
against this proposed change.


I think that the proposed change in apt-listbugs is valid and would
endorse it as the effect will be the same, with the important difference
that it saves time, bandwith, money and results in less downloads from
the mirrors.


My only intention was to point out (what I think is) a reasonably
convenient workaround for the present bandwidth-wasting behavior.



Thanks  Florian. That apt-listbugs list $(aptitude -F%p search '~U') is 
useful as will as the "forbid-version".


The change to apt-listbugs had not occurred to me but aptitude would 
still have to call apt-listbugs *before* the downloads start ,to be useful.


Thanks to all that replied.  Sorry I did not explain well myself enough 
for all to understand the proposal.


Wayne




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Re: enabling tap and circular scroll on touchpad and modern debian/X

[Micha]

On 17/03/2010 16:57, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

Micha Feigin schreef:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:29:08 +0200
Micha Feigin  wrote:


Debian has been constantly playing around with the touchpad (input
device)
settings lately and broke my touchpad settings again.

How do I enable tapping and circular scrolling permanently (i.e each
boot) on
the touchpad again with the modern debian?

It used to be in xorg.conf then it was hal with a file in
/etc/hal/fdi/policy/,
what is it now?

I'm using debian unstable with xfce as windows manager (so gnome/kde
settings are
not relevant)

Thanks




Ok, if I get things correctly, I need to setup a udev rule for each mouse
(touchpad, trackpoint, bluetooth mouse) to set the options for each one.

Is there a reference somewhere as to how to do this?

I think you'll find some infor on
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/X/InputConfiguration

Dou you have a synaptics touchpad? When I get home, I can mail you my
udev rule for tapping and two-finger scrolling.

Sjoerd



Yes, it's a synaptic (it's a thinkpad t61)

thanks


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Re: Evince rendering the New Maintainers guide improperly

[Andreas Rönnquist]

Report availible here:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574353

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:33:54 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:47:17 +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
> 
> > downloading the Debian New Maintainer guide from the debian website at
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide
> > 
> > as a PDF and viewing using evince renders some of the index wrongly 
> 
> (...)
> 
> Not only Evince, but Acrobat Reader and I guess in any other PDF reader.
> 
> It seems an error in the source document, so maybe you can open a bug 
> report o contact the doc developers so they can correct it:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp.en.html
> 
> Greetings,
> 
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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Mark Allums]

On 3/17/2010 6:48 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:

On 3/17/2010 4:42 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums   wrote:

Why does GNOME require Gnash?  And what can I do to put a stop to it?


Look at the following metapackages, their descriptions and dependencies:

  gnome
  gnome-desktop-environment
  gnome-core

Choose the one which best suits your purposes and install it.



Oddly, for some reason, they all require Gnash.  I'm rooting for Gnash,
I hope Gnash works out in the end, and with HTML5 video tag, maybe it
will, but on my system, in Sqeeze, all three packages are installed,
they all require each other, and they all require Gnash, which at the
moment, is not my first choice.  At all.



I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
the case on Lenny:

$ apt-cache depends gnome-core
gnome-core
   Depends: gnome-control-center
   Depends: eog
   Depends: gedit
   Depends: gnome-applets
   Depends: gnome-icon-theme
   Depends: gnome-menus
   Depends: gnome-panel
   Depends: gnome-session
   Depends: gnome-settings-daemon
   Depends: gnome-terminal
  |Depends: metacity
   Depends: compiz-gnome
   Depends: nautilus
  |Depends: rarian-compat
   Depends: scrollkeeper
 rarian-compat
   Depends: yelp
   Suggests: gnome-desktop-environment

Which release are you running?




Current Squeeze.


eog
gedit
gnome-applets
gnome-control-center
gnome-icon-theme
gnome-menus
gnome-panel
gnome-power-manager
gnome-session
gnome-settings-daemon
gnome-terminal
gvfs
metacity
mutter
nautilus
yelp

suggests gnome-desktop-environment

There are several things.  One is gnome-desktop-environment. 
Suggestions and recommendations get added automatically, if I don't 
watch out.  Can't figure out why.


GDE depends on gnome-core.  Gnome depends on GDE.  None of the three 
currently installed depends on gnash according to apt-cache, but 
updating any of the three or gnome-accessibility tries to install gnash. 
 Go figure.








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Re: Unusable free space?

[Stefan Monnier]

> Hi all, I have a HDD (the only one, in fact) with the following layout , as
> reported by df :

> /dev/sda2  99G  886M   93G   1% /
> /dev/sda1 2.0G  170M  1.8G   9% /boot
> /dev/sda5 345G  232G   96G  71% /home
> /dev/sda8  29G  172M   27G   1% /tmp
> /dev/sda6  59G  5.2G   54G   9% /usr
> /dev/sda7  20G  3.1G   17G  16% /var

> Now, at the end, I have some 137 GB unpartitioned/unformatted. How can I use
> this free space, since gparted ran from a LiveCD tells me that I need to
> make a logical partition (which is /dev/sda4) in order to create partitions
> anew in that free space. It's probably lack of sleep, but please help me out
> here. :)

Any friend would tell you (and help you) to setup LVM.


Stefan


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How to save output when working in runlevel 3 (Lenny)

[Nigel Henry]

Hi Folks.

I've got a whole bunch of updates for Lenny, including a load of X stuff, 
which I don't like installing while X is running.

I save all the update output from the konsole in my history-files for future 
reference.

Is there a way to save the output when working in runlevel 3?

Thanks.

Nigel.


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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Ervin Hegedüs]

hello,

> Yes. This can be achieved with "$env{ID_FS_LABEL}" variable used by
> "udev" (I've had to search for this :-P):
>
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev
>
> That way you can forget about the serial number of the disks being
> detected the same as the devices/partitions will be identified by their
> label :-)

thank you, I'll check out.

But I don't know how will it works, 'cause now all disks have one partition,
but partitions are encrypted - can I create a label on existing
crypted partition?
And can system (or udev) identify that label?


thanks:


a.


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Re: Unusable free space?

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> You're worried that that a mass renaming of partition numbers will
>>> cause your system to not reboot?  That's why LABEL and UUID are now
>>> used in grub (lilo is restricted to device names) and fstab.
>> Call me a luddite but UUID < partition numbers for the simple reason
>> I can manually write down numbers and be pretty sure I didn't transpose
>> one of the 4 pieces of data required to get it to work.  Every time I
>> see a UUID I just wanna thunk my head against the desk.
> Which is why I use labels instead.

Indeed I hate UUIDs (unreadable, ugly, and meaningless).

I just wasted a few hours yesterday because Grub2 insisted to look at
another partition when booting (no idea where that other partition is,
but it looks like Grub2 somehow found some old /boot partition with the
same UUID as my real /boot partition, probably because I just
copied/moved the partition itself rather than only its contents).

> I can use labels that are words that make sense WRT the usage of the
> partition:

Labels are indeed much better: readable, meaningful, ...

If you use LVM, you'll automatically give "labels" to your "partitions"
(called logical volumes), so you don't need to worry about how to give
labels to swap, ext3, vfat, ... (each one uses a different option and
command for it, of course).


Stefan


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Re: Aptitude wish list item

[Wayne]

Bob Cox wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 17:09:05 -0400, Wayne (linux...@gmail.com) wrote: 

After downloading the buggy openoffice suite for the 3rd time in the  
past month.  I would like to propose a new feature for aptitude.


How about apt-listbugs?

apt-listbugs -s all list openoffice.org



Sorry Bob, how does that prevent aptitude safe-upgrade from downloading 
packages that have bugs?


I know, and use, apt-listbugs very often now that testing is being 
deluged with buggy packages from sid, I use it very often, but that was 
not the question.


I could do aptitude -s safe-upgrade.  Then run apt-listbugs with all of 
the proposed downloads.  Then use aptitude to put all the buggy packages
on hold. Then run aptitude-safe-upgrade again. then...  Well you get the 
idea.  I was trying to suggest a 'better way'.


Wayne



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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Mark Allums]

On 3/17/2010 7:51 AM, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

I'm surprised to hear that gnome-core requires gnash. It's certainly not
the case on Lenny:



I it was introduced into squeeze yesterday (source package meta-gnome2
2.28+6 transitioned to squeeze on 2010-03-16). The reason seems to be
that swfdec was removed. The changelog[0] for meta-gnome2 says (among
other things):


* Drop swfdec-gnome.
* Make gnome depend on mozilla-plugin-gnash so that there’s at least
something for Flash websites.




[0]:




/ johan




Thanks.

I question the rationale.  Many people would prefer Flash, annoying as 
it is.  I hate Flash, but have to have it for specific reasons.  (Yes, 
I'm aware that it's non-free.  I'd rather have nothing, than have Gnash. 
 Sorry, Gnash devs, but that's the sad truth.)






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Re: Unusable free space?

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:40:01 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Stephen Powell put forth on 3/17/2010 8:20 AM:
>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:12:49 -0400 (EDT), Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, I have a HDD (the only one, in fact) with the following layout , 
>>> as reported by df :
>>>
>>> /dev/sda2  99G  886M   93G   1% /
>>> /dev/sda1 2.0G  170M  1.8G   9% /boot
>>> /dev/sda5 345G  232G   96G  71% /home
>>> /dev/sda8  29G  172M   27G   1% /tmp
>>> /dev/sda6  59G  5.2G   54G   9% /usr
>>> /dev/sda7  20G  3.1G   17G  16% /var
>>>
>>> Now, at the end, I have some 137 GB unpartitioned/unformatted. How can I 
>>> use this free space, since gparted ran from a LiveCD tells me that I 
>>> need to make a logical partition (which is /dev/sda4) in order to create 
>>> partitions anew in that free space. It's probably lack of sleep, but 
>>> please help me out here. :)
>>
>> You can still create up to two more primary partitions, providing
> 
> Not necessarily.  He's not showing swap (assuming he's using a partition not
> a file).  If partition, swap is at /dev/sda3, 4, or 9.

You're right.  There may be non-filesystem partitions/logical drives --
one of which, if I understand correctly, is the extended partition.
But the OP said that gparted wanted to create a /dev/sda4.  I'm not
sure if /dev/sda4 came directly from gparted or if the OP *assumed* that
it would be /dev/sda4 and attributed this name to gparted.

>> the space is available outside the extended partition, and these
>> would have names /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4, respectively.  But there's
>> no way you can create a new logical partition called /dev/sda4.
> 
> Agreed, there's not.  He'd have to make a primary partition to get a device
> name of /dev/sda4.  I'm not sure what you mean by "space is available
> outside the extended partition".  TTBOMK, extended partitions are place
> holders.  They don't own or contain any blocks unless or until you create
> logical partitions after having created an extended partition.  If there is
> still unallocated space anywhere on the block device, and there are both
> unassigned primary and logical partitions available, he can freely use
> either.  For instance, on my vanity server I have a similar situation:
> 
>http://www.hardwarefreak.com/cfdisk.jpg
>
> I have about 250GB of unallocated space within which I can create two
> additional primary partitions, or unlimited? logical partitions.

Yes, an extended partition is a placeholder.  The only real *data* that
belongs to the extended partition itself, and not to a logical drive
within it, is the partition boot sector, which contains the logical 
drive table.  I.e. it contains the "partition table" for the logical
drives.  I'm using DOS terminology here, by the way, since this
partitioning scheme was invented for DOS.

Nevertheless, the extended partition, like a primary partition,
contains extents (starting cylinder and ending cylinder) in the
main partition table, which is stored in the master boot record.

Let's suppose that I create three logical drives of 100 cylinders
each.  The extended partition, I think, will have to be at least
301 cylinders, and its extent definitions in the main partition table
will have to "cover" all three logical drives.  (Assume that the logical
drives are allocated contiguously.)  The extra cylinder is for the
extended partition boot sector, which is in a cylinder by itself.
(Or maybe it only reserves a track, rather than an entire cylinder.
I don't remember.  I'll have to look that up.  Anyway ...)

Now suppose that I delete the middle logical drive.  There is now
100 cylinders of free space *within* the extended partition.  It can
be used to create a logical drive, but it cannot be used to create
a primary partition because the free space is *inside* the extended
partition.  In order to use that space to create a primary partition,
I would have to use some type of partition maintenance tool to 
move the (former) third logical drive adjacent to the first logical
drive, then reduce the size of the extended partition to release
the 100 cylinders of internal free space, which is now at the tail
end of the extended partition.

If instead I delete the third logical drive, then
no data movement needs to take place to make that space available
for a primary partition.  All that needs to take place is to
reduce the extents of the extended partition in the main partition
table.  Will this take place automatically if I delete the third
logical drive?  Well, that depends on which program is being
used to maintain the partition table / logical drive table.  Some
tools will automatically reduce the size of the extended partition
in these cases.  Others will not.

I used to use a program called Partition Magic.  I'm pretty sure
that these were separate operations in Partition Magic.  One could
delete or reduce the size of the last logical partition without
reducing the size

Re: WLAN and Bluetooth

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:39:47PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:15:40 +0100
> pch0317  wrote:
> 
> > Celejar wrote:
> > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:03:51 +0100
> > > pch0317  wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > >> Hi
> > >> I have problem with my wireless embedded device.
> > >>
> > >> I use Debian testing and Compaq 615 notebook with Broadcom 802.11 b/g.
> > >>
> > >> Only if I enable in BIOS "embedded WLAN" and "embedded bluetooth" my 
> > >> Debian can't boot up.
> > >> 
> > >
> > > "Can't boot up" means what, exactly?
> > >
> > > Celejar
> > >   
> > When I enable wlan and bluetooth at start I can see:
> > grub 1.98 with linux-2.6.32-trunk-amd64
> > loading linux
> > loading initial ramdisk
> > loading, please wait
> > and black screen apear, nothing else.

maybe change the grub line (press edit at boot up time on the grub
screen) delete out the quiet option and boot and see where it gets upto.
also maybe try single user mode. and lastly did you try the magic sysreq
keystroke to see if the kernel is listening to stuff.

I have a problem on my hp mini (just started recently), it gets stuck
when my wireless / bluetooth / 3g wan is enabled - I have a rfkill
switch on the box, seem like the kernel is having a hard time
initialising stuff.  went it happens I disable the things via the kill
switch and it progress on and then once it started i turn them back on
with the kill switch - all is okay

> > 
> > I must then hard restart my machine and change setings in BIOS to 
> > disable wlan and bluetooth
> 
> That does look pretty bad.  Have you tried booting a non-initrd kernel?
> 
> Celejar

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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Stefan Monnier]

> Installing Gnash screws up Flash.

That is the core of the problem that needs to be fixed.
There's no reason the two shouldn't be able to coexist peacefully so
that each user on the machine can choose which flash player she wants
to use.


Stefan


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Re: Increasing or Freeing inodes

[Stefan Monnier]

> I am runnig backuppc on this server and I guess it is those hardlinks
> that are consuming the inodes.

hardlinks do not use inodes (they only use up space in the directory in
which they appear).  But every symlink and every directory does use an
inode.


Stefan


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Re: Why does installing gnome packages versioned 2.28+6 insist on installing gnash?

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-03-17, Mark Allums  wrote:
>
>
> Current Squeeze.
>
>
> eog
> gedit
> gnome-applets
> gnome-control-center
> gnome-icon-theme
> gnome-menus
> gnome-panel
> gnome-power-manager
> gnome-session
> gnome-settings-daemon
> gnome-terminal
> gvfs
> metacity
> mutter
> nautilus
> yelp
>
> suggests gnome-desktop-environment
>
> There are several things.  One is gnome-desktop-environment. 
> Suggestions and recommendations get added automatically, if I don't 
> watch out.  Can't figure out why.
>
> GDE depends on gnome-core.  Gnome depends on GDE.  None of the three 
> currently installed depends on gnash according to apt-cache, but 
> updating any of the three or gnome-accessibility tries to install gnash. 
>   Go figure.
>

Try apt-cache with the '--recurse' option (an example is in Ron's post).
It will tell you if gnash is lurking somewhere deep down in the
dependency tree.

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Re: udev: same serial on different disks

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:34:47 +0100, Ervin Hegedüs wrote:

>> Yes. This can be achieved with "$env{ID_FS_LABEL}" variable used by
>> "udev" (I've had to search for this :-P):
>>
>> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev
>>
>> That way you can forget about the serial number of the disks being
>> detected the same as the devices/partitions will be identified by their
>> label :-)
> 
> thank you, I'll check out.
> 
> But I don't know how will it works, 'cause now all disks have one
> partition, but partitions are encrypted - can I create a label on
> existing crypted partition?

I've never tested before, but I'd say yes.

> And can system (or udev) identify that label?

I see not good reason for not doing it :-?

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Re: How to save output when working in runlevel 3 (Lenny)

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:27:48 -0400 (EDT), Nigel Henry wrote:
> I've got a whole bunch of updates for Lenny, including a load of X stuff, 
> which I don't like installing while X is running.
> 
> I save all the update output from the konsole in my history-files for future 
> reference.
> 
> Is there a way to save the output when working in runlevel 3?

I think what you're asking is "How do I save a copy of my terminal output
when I'm not logged on via xterm (or some equivalent program)?"  Is that
what you are asking?  If that is what you want to do, the "script" command
works well for this purpose.  For example,

# script install.log
Script started, output file is install.log
# aptitude update
...
# aptitude full-upgrade
...
# exit
Script done, output file is install.log

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Re: enabling tap and circular scroll on touchpad and modern debian/X

[Matthew Moore]

On Wednesday 17 March 2010 7:49:56 am Micha Feigin wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:29:08 +0200
> Micha Feigin  wrote:
> > Debian has been constantly playing around with the touchpad (input
> > device) settings lately and broke my touchpad settings again.
> >
> > How do I enable tapping and circular scrolling permanently (i.e each
> > boot) on the touchpad again with the modern debian?
> >
> > It used to be in xorg.conf then it was hal with a file in
> > /etc/hal/fdi/policy/, what is it now?
>
> I found that xinput can set the values but they are forgotten if a device
>  is disconnected and reconnected and on startup (and I don't know if the
>  device numbers are even persistent in any form and it doesn't seem to take
>  device name)
> 
> Is it possible to set these values automatically somewhere?

Yes, you should drop your xinput commands into a script and put the script 
into /etc/X11/Xsession.d. Scripts in here get run whenever X starts, not just 
your session, but globally.

MM


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Re: How to save output when working in runlevel 3 (Lenny)

[Mart Frauenlob]

On 17.03.2010 16:27, Nigel Henry wrote:
> Hi Folks.
> 
> I've got a whole bunch of updates for Lenny, including a load of X stuff, 
> which I don't like installing while X is running.
> 
> I save all the update output from the konsole in my history-files for future 
> reference.
> 
> Is there a way to save the output when working in runlevel 3?
> 

i'd do:

your_command 2>&1 | tee your_logfile

man tee - for details

Best regards

Mart


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