wicd refuses to start

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear all
After some recent updates, I assume, wicd strangely refuses to start. 
li...@debian-liv:~$ wicd-gtk
Has notifications support True
Loading...
Connecting to daemon...
Connected.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 1033, in 
main(sys.argv)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 91, in wrapper
return func(*args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 1005, in main
tray_icon = TrayIcon(animate, displaytray=display_app)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 139, in __init__
self.icon_info = self.TrayConnectionInfo(self, self.tr, animate)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 198, in __init__
self.update_tray_icon()
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 91, in wrapper
return func(*args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 349, in
update_tray_icon self.set_wireless_state(info)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 91, in wrapper
return func(*args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 289, in
set_wireless_state 'network-wireless')
  File "/usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py", line 233, in
_show_notification self._last_bubble.show()
glib.GError: Unable to connect to server

However, it starts just fine with 
li...@debian-liv:~$ wicd-gtk --no-tray
Has notifications support True
Loading...
Connecting to daemon...
Connected.
/usr/share/wicd/gtk/gui.py:152: GtkWarning: gtk_toolbar_set_icon_size:
assertion `icon_size != GTK_ICON_SIZE_INVALID' failed self.wTree =
gtk.glade.XML(gladefile)

or from root
debian-liv:/home/liviu# wicd-client 
Has notifications support True
Loading...
Connecting to daemon...
Connected.
displaytray True
Done loading.

I'm using wicd 1.7.0 on an outdated Debian squeeze. 

Any ideas on what's going wrong? Regards
Liviu


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Re: SMART configuration

[Bob Proulx]

T o n g wrote:
> I noticed that SMART configuration has changed dramatically since last 
> time I looked into it. 
> 
> Anyone care to explain how to configure SMART for a simple task as 
> regular selftests on sda please?

Edit /etc/smartd.conf, read the DEVICESCAN comment and then comment
out the first DEVICESCAN line.

  # Most users should comment out DEVICESCAN and explicitly
  # list the devices that they wish to monitor.
  #DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby ...

Then scroll down to the first hda line, copy it, uncomment it, change
it from hda to sda.  The comments there explain:

  # Monitor all attributes, enable automatic online data collection,
  # automatic Attribute autosave, and start a short self-test every
  # day between 2-3am, and a long self test Saturdays between 3-4am.
  /dev/sda -a -d sat -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03)

(Or use whatever schedule seems reasonable to you.  This one seems
pretty good to me.)

Edit /etc/default/smartmontools and set:

  start_smartd=yes

Then restart the daemon.

  # /etc/init.d/smartmontools restart

Bob


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Re: Corrupted FS every 50 checks

[Bob Proulx]

T o n g wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Note that if it is set to no on a remote server that you do not have
> > console access to then it is possible to get into a state where the
> > machine will not reboot on its own because it will be waiting for
> > console access to get past the fsck questions.
> 
> So remote servers mostly set FSCKFIX to yes?

Most of the time there aren't any problems.  This is something that
only becomes visible when there is a problem that triggers the
interactive fsck.  So actually I think that most of the machines have
the default which is no.  And since problems are rare it isn't a big
deal.  But I guarentee you that the admin will change it after the
second time that it burns them!  :-)

I was burned once by this and so now I always change it.  I find it
hard to believe that it isn't the default.  But it is easily locally
customized.

Bob


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Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 02:00 -0400, Borden Rhodes wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> I'm going to list some of the frustrations I've been having with 
> troubleshooting Linux's quirks, crashes and problems in hopes that someone 
> may 
> be able to help me (and the community) become better bug reporters and 
> troubleshooters.
Very interesting and helpful post.  Thank you.  I've snipped most of it
out for the sake of those for whom long emails are a problem or
expensive.

As someone without deep troubleshooting experience, I'll be curious to
see the responses.  The only thing I can help with is the old log
information.  Linux usually rotates the logs.  As I'd imagine you've
seen, you can find compressed versions of the logs, e.g., messages.1,
message.2.gz - John


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Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

[Kousik Maiti]

My suggestion, can't we create troubleshooting database??
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Borden Rhodes wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> I'm going to list some of the frustrations I've been having with
> troubleshooting Linux's quirks, crashes and problems in hopes that someone
> may
> be able to help me (and the community) become better bug reporters and
> troubleshooters.  I'll make comparisons to Windows only because I am used
> to
> fixing the same problems in Windows a certain way - maybe there are
> analogies
> in Linux or maybe I'm approaching these problems the wrong way.  I'm not
> trying to troll or flame-bait.  I'm using Debian Squeeze, by the way.
>
> 1) Is there a way to apply debugging symbols retroactively to a dump? A few
> times I've had Linux crash on me and spit out a debugging dump.  I do my
> best
> to install debugging symbols for all 1400 packages I have on my system
> (when I
> can find them) but this requires a huge amount of hard disk space and,
> invariably, the odd dump is missing symbols.  Recreating the crash isn't
> always possible.  Is there (or could someone invent) a way to save a dump
> without the symbols, download the symbol tables and then regenerate the
> dump
> with the symbols so it's useful to developers?
>
> 2) I find that the logs contain lots of facts but not a whole lot of useful
> information (if any) when something goes wrong.  I've had KDE go
> black-screen
> on me, for example, and force a hard reboot but there's no mention
> whatsoever
> (that I can find) in xorg.log, kdm.log, messages, syslog or dmesg.  Windows
> seems to be fairly good at making its last breath a stop error before it
> dies
> which means when I get back into the system (or when I'm looking at a
> client's
> computer days after) I can find that stop error, look it up and figure out
> what
> went wrong.  Are Linux's logs designed for troubleshooting or only for
> monitoring?  Are proper troubleshooting logs kept somewhere else or in a
> special file? Is there a guide on how to read Linux's logs so I can make
> sense
> out of them like I can Windows' logs?
>
> 3) Linux needs better troubleshooting and recovery systems.  The answer I
> usually get when I get an unexplained error is to run the program inside a
> dbg
> or with valgrind.  I'm not convinced that this is a practical way to
> troubleshoot serious problems (like kernel panics) and it requires a
> certain
> amount of foresight that a problem will occur.  According to this logic,
> the
> only way that someone can produce useful reports and feedback (or even get
> a
> clue as to what happened) on the day-to-day crashes and bugs is to start
> Linux
> and all of its sub process inside valgrind and/or gdb.  This is obviously
> not
> an intended use of these programs.
>
> This is what would make it easier (at least for me) to troubleshoot Linux
> problems.  If these features exist, please let me know so I can start using
> them (they should probably be documented in the man pages too).
>
> 1) Logs need to have useful information.  When I look at a client's Windows
> box days after they report something going wrong, the logs tell me at what
> time the problem happened, which process failed and what error it threw
> just
> before it blew.  I can look those error codes up and (usually) fix the
> problem
> within an hour.  When something dies on Linux, the log entry (assuming it
> even
> makes one) only tells me how many seconds into that particular boot the
> problem occurred. I've never been able to go back a few days later and find
> the
> log entries related to a particular crash - maybe because they've been
> purged.
> I know that the Linux tradition is to identify processes only by ID but
> surely
> there must be a way that it can print a file or package name or anything
> more
> useful than memory addresses and registers so at least I know where to
> start
> pointing fingers.  Several people have told me that it's pointless trying
> to
> debug a dump in the logs.  What's the point of dumping it in the first
> place if
> nobody can read it?
>
> 2) I wish error logs had simple codes or messages (which have
> documentation)
> like Windows Stop errors so I can look them up and figure out why something
> died.  Often times I try to Google the whole error message and either get
> directed to source code or totally irrelevant postings (since it seems that
> many messages are reused for all kinds of problems).  For example,
> 'segfault'
> gets thrown so much that it only tells you that the program crashed -
> something I already know.
>
> 3) Logs need better organisation.  I'm looking at the most recent dump and
> each message is printed on its own line.  The problem is that interspersed
> in
> those individual lines may be other entries from other events not related
> to
> the problem in question.  When I look at a Windows log, each event is
> entirely
> contained in one entry.  It doesn't make one entry for "Stop", another
> entry
> for the Sto

Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

[Borden Rhodes]

Good morning,

I'm going to list some of the frustrations I've been having with 
troubleshooting Linux's quirks, crashes and problems in hopes that someone may 
be able to help me (and the community) become better bug reporters and 
troubleshooters.  I'll make comparisons to Windows only because I am used to 
fixing the same problems in Windows a certain way - maybe there are analogies 
in Linux or maybe I'm approaching these problems the wrong way.  I'm not 
trying to troll or flame-bait.  I'm using Debian Squeeze, by the way.

1) Is there a way to apply debugging symbols retroactively to a dump? A few 
times I've had Linux crash on me and spit out a debugging dump.  I do my best 
to install debugging symbols for all 1400 packages I have on my system (when I 
can find them) but this requires a huge amount of hard disk space and, 
invariably, the odd dump is missing symbols.  Recreating the crash isn't 
always possible.  Is there (or could someone invent) a way to save a dump 
without the symbols, download the symbol tables and then regenerate the dump 
with the symbols so it's useful to developers?

2) I find that the logs contain lots of facts but not a whole lot of useful 
information (if any) when something goes wrong.  I've had KDE go black-screen 
on me, for example, and force a hard reboot but there's no mention whatsoever 
(that I can find) in xorg.log, kdm.log, messages, syslog or dmesg.  Windows 
seems to be fairly good at making its last breath a stop error before it dies 
which means when I get back into the system (or when I'm looking at a client's 
computer days after) I can find that stop error, look it up and figure out what 
went wrong.  Are Linux's logs designed for troubleshooting or only for 
monitoring?  Are proper troubleshooting logs kept somewhere else or in a 
special file? Is there a guide on how to read Linux's logs so I can make sense 
out of them like I can Windows' logs?

3) Linux needs better troubleshooting and recovery systems.  The answer I 
usually get when I get an unexplained error is to run the program inside a dbg 
or with valgrind.  I'm not convinced that this is a practical way to 
troubleshoot serious problems (like kernel panics) and it requires a certain 
amount of foresight that a problem will occur.  According to this logic, the 
only way that someone can produce useful reports and feedback (or even get a 
clue as to what happened) on the day-to-day crashes and bugs is to start Linux 
and all of its sub process inside valgrind and/or gdb.  This is obviously not 
an intended use of these programs.

This is what would make it easier (at least for me) to troubleshoot Linux 
problems.  If these features exist, please let me know so I can start using 
them (they should probably be documented in the man pages too).

1) Logs need to have useful information.  When I look at a client's Windows 
box days after they report something going wrong, the logs tell me at what 
time the problem happened, which process failed and what error it threw just 
before it blew.  I can look those error codes up and (usually) fix the problem 
within an hour.  When something dies on Linux, the log entry (assuming it even 
makes one) only tells me how many seconds into that particular boot the 
problem occurred. I've never been able to go back a few days later and find the 
log entries related to a particular crash - maybe because they've been purged.  
I know that the Linux tradition is to identify processes only by ID but surely 
there must be a way that it can print a file or package name or anything more 
useful than memory addresses and registers so at least I know where to start 
pointing fingers.  Several people have told me that it's pointless trying to 
debug a dump in the logs.  What's the point of dumping it in the first place if 
nobody can read it?

2) I wish error logs had simple codes or messages (which have documentation) 
like Windows Stop errors so I can look them up and figure out why something 
died.  Often times I try to Google the whole error message and either get 
directed to source code or totally irrelevant postings (since it seems that 
many messages are reused for all kinds of problems).  For example, 'segfault' 
gets thrown so much that it only tells you that the program crashed - 
something I already know.

3) Logs need better organisation.  I'm looking at the most recent dump and 
each message is printed on its own line.  The problem is that interspersed in 
those individual lines may be other entries from other events not related to 
the problem in question.  When I look at a Windows log, each event is entirely 
contained in one entry.  It doesn't make one entry for "Stop", another entry 
for the Stop number, another 4 entries for the parameters and more entries for 
whatever other information usually is in them - whilst having other entries 
amid the list with what other things were doing at the time.  I find Linux logs 
very frustrating to read for that rea

Re: 802.11 WPA network key prompt despite GNOME keyring

[Andrew Reid]

On Saturday 14 August 2010 04:16:47 Stanisław Findeisen wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am trying to use a 802.11 wireless network that frequently disconnects
> me (low signal). The network is protected with WPA pre-shared key. The
> problem is I am being prompted for this key every time.
>
> Well, almost every. When I log in, I do not have to type the key. It is
> stored in the GNOME keyring (I use nm-editor 0.6.6 for that).
> But then, when it disconnects, I have to type it again and again. Why?
>
> And sometimes it doesn't prompt me, and failes to authenticate also. :-|
> I had to delete the network entry from the GNOME keyring (nm-editor),
> get *prompted* for the key, and *then* I was authenticated. 8-|
>
> What's wrong??!

  I've had a similar issue, and in my case, it seems to revolve
around the network manager -- I can always clear it by doing
> sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart

  In my case, this is actually on Ubuntu 10.04, but the symptoms
are identical.

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Re: Creating a bootable USB key

[Jimmy Johnson]

brownh wrote:

Jimmy Johnson  writes:


brownh wrote:

Jimmy,

I inadvertangly sent this message to you personally, but here send it
to the list.

The directions for creating a bootable USB key don't mention running
cfdisk on it to make it bootable. I simply copied syslinux to the key,
but suspect I have to run cfdisk as well. Is that so? 

Haines Brown 


I use gparted and it works for me, I do as I describe in the post you
are replying to.


Jimmy, sorry to follow your kind answer with a question about it. This 
gnome application, gparted, is only described as a partition

manipulator (I don't use any desktop environment, and so I'm not
familiar with it). Does this "manipulation" include setting a boot
flag? If so, then does your answer imply that this flag does indeed
have to be set, despite an absense of its mention in some of the
directions for making a bootable USB key?



Yes, with a right click on the partition you can set a boot flag using 
gparted, a great tool to have on hand, many ways to get GParted as a 
live cd or as an iso, 
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gparted or get PartedMagic 
with a lot more tools including TestDisk, Web Browser, File Manager 
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=partedmagic


As for the rest of your question, I'm just telling you what works for 
me, if I want to boot a drive, Hard Drive or Flash Drive, I put a boot 
flag on it.

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Ubuntu Lucid and Trinity KDE 3.5.11 - EXT4 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263


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Re: Corrupted FS every 50 checks

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> always on the same: /dev/sdc5. Well, this is where I have all my docs,
> my university stuff, and this is even more annoying. I could do backups,

I sure hope you *DID* extensive backups.  Often.  And stored some of
them for permanent archival.

> but I can't understand why this filesystem is problematic, because I

The typical answer is: "because it is always getting corrupted again".

> always get the same errors. This time, it was mainly *things like error
> filesystem Inode has EXTENTS_FL flag set, but not too many.*

This could mean you've managed to messing with an ext4 filesystem as if
it were ext3.  That won't corrupt file data, but can cause lots of other
problems, and could cause data loss if you manage to confuse the kernel
and the fsck tools enough.  With some luck, it will end up in lost+found
after the proper fsck.

I sure hope that's what is happening.

> *2) Should I think about buying another hdd? I tried with the hdd life

You should do a 24H memtest86 marathon on that box.  And you should make
sure you're *always* using that filesystem as ext4, since you apparently
have a part of it using ext4 features.

If it is a hardware problem, it is a strange one... it should be messing
with the entire disk, not just a set of files in the same partition. It
can't be bad magnetic media, as that causes sector read errors, not
corruption.

I hope this answer helps you.  I won't be able to help you further on this.
Maybe someone else can (or has a better idea of what the problem could be).

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: building 2.6.35

[Stephen Powell]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:29:11 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
> --
> 
> $ cd linux-source-2.6.32
> $ cp /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686 .config
> $ make menuconfig
> $ make-kpkg --append-to-version -custom5-686 --revision 2.6.32-18 \
>--initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image
> $ cd ..
> $ su
> # dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.32-custom5-686_2.6.32-18_i386.deb
> # aptitude install nvidia-kernel-common
> # dpkg -i 
> nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6.32-custom5-686_71.86.13-1+2.6.32-18_i386.deb
> # dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-custom5-686 [not sure if needed, 
> but ...]
> # shutdown -r now;exit
> 
> --

Oops!  I forgot to show the "make-kpkg clean" step after "make menuconfig".
I'm not sure if this is still needed anymore, but it's good practice.  In real
life, I did issue it; but when I composed the e-mail, I forgot to document
it.

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Re: building 2.6.35

[Stephen Powell]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT), Angus Hedger wrote:
> 
> The two things that i use k-headers for myself are the nvidia blob,
> and the virtual-box km's
> 
> The only issues I ran into when building headers via make-kpkg where as 
> follows,
> 
> Make sure you use the same "-append-to-version -stuff-here" line as
> you do when building your kernel, or they wont match up and it wont
> find the k-headers.
> 
> And, I have found that the packages made by make-kpkg are setting the
> wrong "/lib/modules//build" symlink, pointing it to my
> the dir where i build the kernel rather than the correct
> /usr/src/ dir.
> 
> (I think i need to bug report the 2nd, but I don't know if its
> something I am doing wrong).

I don't think that this is a bug.  I think you're trying to mix and match
two different ways of doing things.  There are two basic ways of creating
an out-of-kernel-source-tree module from source: (1) install the kernel
headers and compile the out-of-kernel-source-tree module from source
using the kernel headers, and (2) if you have the whole kernel source tree
installed, compile using the kernel source.  What you're doing is creating
a kernel header package from the kernel source and then using method (1),
when you should be using method (2).  I spent the better part of the day
today playing around with this.  Perhaps the results of my experiment
will prove instructive in some way.

I have a computer, i386 architecture, which runs Debian Squeeze.  It has
an Nvidia video card with a RIVA TNT2 chipset.  It currently runs a stock
Debian kernel (linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, version 2.6.32-18) and it uses
the nv driver for X (xserver-xorg-video-nv, version 1:2.1.17-3).  I can't
use the nouveau driver, unfortunately, because interlaced video modes do
not work with the nouveau driver and my CRT monitor requires
interlaced video modes to operate at its maximum resolution due to
its low maximum pixel clock rate.)  I decided to build a custom
kernel and at the same time attempt to activate the proprietary nvidia
driver.  I really didn't need or want to do either one, but for the sake
of making my kernel-building web page more useful, I decided to do this
exercise.  Here is what I did.

The first step was to figure out which kernel source packages I needed.
For the kernel source code, that was easy: linux-source-2.6.32.  But for
the nvidia kernel module source package, that took a little research.
It turns out that for a video card with the RIVA TNT2 chipset,
the correct answer is nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source.  I looked at the
bug reports for the corresponding Debian source package,
nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx, and was disheartened.  Bug number
543248 looked like it was going to be a show stopper.  But for the sake
of the academic exercise, I pressed on.

The first problem is that nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source exists only
in Sid.  And I run Squeeze.  So I had to update some apt files.  First,
I edited /etc/apt/sources.list.

--

$ cd /etc/apt
$ su
# cat sources.list
deb ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian squeeze main non-free contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian squeeze main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib
# vi sources.list [editing commands not shown]
# cat sources.list
deb ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian squeeze main non-free contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian squeeze main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib
deb ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian sid main non-free contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian sid main non-free contrib
# 

--

As you can see, I added two lines to the end to define the sid release.
But I only wanted packages from sid that I explicitly ask for.  I
didn't want a massive update.  So I created a couple of extra files.
I will simply show you their contents.

--

# cat apt.conf
APT::Default-Release "squeeze";
# cat preferences
Package: *
Pin: release a=sid
Pin-Priority: 1
#

--

Note: I've heard that synaptic does not respect these files,
but I have no independent verification of that.  aptitude and
apt-get do honor it, however.  Anyway, moving on ...

--

# aptitude update [since sources.list, et al, were changed]
# aptitude install linux-source-2.6.32
# aptitude -t sid -R install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source
# aptitude install kernel-package fakeroot libncurses5-dev
# exit
$ cd /usr/src
$ tar -xjf linux-source-2.6.32.tar.bz2
$ rm linux-source-2.6.32.tar.bz2
$ tar -xzf nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source.tar.gz
$ rm nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source.tar.gz

--

Note: the rm commands both give the following warning message:

   rm: remove write-protected regular file ?

That's because both the ow

Re: Corrupted FS every 50 checks

[Bob Proulx]

Hanspeter Spalinger wrote:
> Merciadri Luca wrote:
> > problem is that I always get errors when e2fsck verifies the fs, and
> > always on the same: /dev/sdc5.  ...
> > but I can't understand why this filesystem is problematic, because I
> > don't use it often, at least these times. I always have errors about the
>
> Do you actualy FIX those errors? Afaik the fsck at startup does not fix
> all errors (it plays safe). Try run fsck manualy (but make a backup
> first and read the man-page).

The control for this is in /etc/default/rcS with the FSCKFIX
variable.  If it is set to no then no fix happens.  If it is set to
yes then at boot time fsck is enabled to automatically fix what it
can.

In /etc/default/rcS file:
  FSCKFIX=yes

Note that if it is set to no on a remote server that you do not have
console access to then it is possible to get into a state where the
machine will not reboot on its own because it will be waiting for
console access to get past the fsck questions.

These are documented in the rcS man page.

  $ man rcS

   FSCKFIX
  When the root and all other file systems are checked,
  fsck is invoked with the -a option which means
  "autorepair".  If there are major inconsistencies then
  the fsck process will bail out.  The system will print a
  message asking the administrator to repair the file
  system manually and will present a root shell prompt
  (actually a sulogin prompt) on the console.  Setting
  this option to yes causes the fsck commands to be run
  with the -y option instead of the -a option.  This will
  tell fsck always to repair the file systems without
  asking for permission.

> I assume you use the other partitions more often, with no error, so i
> don't think your problem is hardware related.

A good diagnosis!  But I would still look to be sure.  :-)

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Re: newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Paul E Condon wrote:

On 20100814_165057, Tom Poe wrote:
  

Phil Requirements wrote:


On 2010-08-14 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
  

Camaleón wrote:


On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:

  

Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use
debian?


I hope so :-)

  

[snip]

workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and
160GB.  Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to
prepare drive settings to install with reformatting both when
inserting CD/DVD.  Any suggestions appreciated (really limited
computer skills, here).
Tom



Tom,

I'm not sure what you mean by "use both drives as one", but I think
you are adding some complexity that doesn't need to be there. Since
you are just starting, I suggest you DO NOT try to "merge" the disks
in any way. Here is a different suggestion.

You are probably somewhat familiar with the linux file system from
using Ubuntu. One of the basic concepts, different from Windows, is
that there is only one file system on the machine, and every hard
disk, or CD, or DVD, or flash drive is integrated somewhere into this
file system. There is no "C:\", nor "D:\", nor "E:\", but only one file
system "/".

My computer has three hard drives and, 2 DVD drives, some network
drives. And they all work "as one", which is part of your wishlist.
Here is the more basic way to accomplish this:

Install the operating system onto whichever drive is newer and
more trustworthy. Ignore the other hard drive during the installation
process. After the system is up and running well, you will add that
second hard drive back into your system, and use it for some function
that needs extra storage.

You could use the second hard drive as a backup:

   /the root of the file system
   /home/tom/   your home folder
   /mnt/backup/ <-- everything placed in this folder goes on your 2nd hdd

Or you could use the second hard drive to store digital camera
images:

   /   the root of the file system
   /home/tom/  your home folder
   /home/tom/images/Canon/ <-- everything place in this folder goes on your 2nd 
hdd

This is a more simple, basic, normal setup. Once you are using
the computer, all hard drives will seem to be unified into this
one file system. They will all function "as one" and be totally
transparent to you. It will all appear to be one big 240 GB file
system. Would that be good enough?

Phil


  

Your description sounds like we're on the same page.  My hard drives
need the settings on the pins set up as master/slave?


  

Are you running Ununtu now? Does Ubuntu see both drives? If so, Debian
will discover them during install. Nothing to change in the hardware.

The more difficult problem is with Windows. If you are running
Microsoft Windows now *and* want to be able to run Windows after
installing Debian, then you should find and read the sections of the
installation guide that cover "dual booting".

  
Ubuntu sees both drives, now.  DUH!  Now you know why I never worked in 
the IT industry.


I can't think of any reason for using Windows.  I have an older eMachine 
from Wal-Mart that I hope to set up an Asterisk PBX this winter.  And, 
I've got a really old 8GB computer that has an older version of Fedora 
that holds a couple hours of music on it.  That's my basic home 
network.  There is one critical app that I hope is in lenny: LiVES.  
Looks like it would be a good home video editing application to learn 
how to make my own videos.

Tom


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Re: partitioning HD for server

[Bob Proulx]

Bob Proulx wrote:
> Louis Hinman wrote:
> > To learn Liunx networking, I am going to set up a web server
> 
> Well, a web server is just a component and it does 

I should finish my thoughts before sending.  Sigh.

Well, a web server is just a component and it by itself really isn't
enough to learn networking.  Something like setting up a firewall
would be more on the networking side of things.  But a web server can
be fun and useful just by itself.

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Re: Corrupted FS every 50 checks

[Bob Proulx]

Merciadri Luca wrote:
> but I can't understand why this filesystem is problematic, because I
> don't use it often, at least these times. I always have errors about the

Does your disk support S.M.A.R.T.?

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.

Try it and see if the disk drive reports any physical errors.

  $ sudo apt-get install smartmontools

Here are some example uses:

  $ sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda
  SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
  SMART support is: Enabled

If smart is available but disabled then you would need to enable it
before making use of it.

  $ sudo smartctl -s on /dev/sda

Then check the disk health status.

  $ sudo smartctl -H /dev/sda
  SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

You can manually run a selftest like this:

  $ sudo smartctl -t short /dev/sda

Then wait a couple of minutes for the test to complete and then
observe the results.

  $ sudo smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda

I recommend setting up automatic regular selftests by configuring
smartmontools to run them regularly.

Hopefully your disk is okay and not reporting physical errors.

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Re: Blank blue screen after logging into an account for the first time with gdm & choosing window manager

[Daniel Trebbien]

> So why didn't Nautilus start after I selected a window manager?

I figured it out. For some reason, the X session manager was set to
`/usr/bin/choosewm` by default when it needed to be `/usr/bin/gnome-session`. I
corrected this with:

sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager



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Re: partitioning HD for server

[Bob Proulx]

Louis Hinman wrote:
> To learn Liunx networking, I am going to set up a web server

Well, a web server is just a component and it does 

> To this end, I am installing Debian 5.0 on a Dell Dimension 4100
> with a 250 MB HD.

250 Megabyte?  Or 250 Gigabyte?  A small installation will easily fit
within 200MB.  But that is getting harder for the novice to do as code
bloat is settling into everything and the default is to install more
than you need.

> On my desktop, I have partitioned my HD as follows:
> 
> /root
> /swap
> /home
> /usr/local
> /opt
> 
> What would be an appropriate partition scheme for my web server?

For the novice putting everything into one partition is often easiest.
It is simple.  You don't have to plan ahead very much for it.  But
when you run out of disk space you run out of it everywhere.  For
example if the filesystem is completely full then /var/log/syslog
won't be able to log any problems and /var/spool/postfix (or exim or
whatever) won't be able to send you email notifying you of problems.
Therefore many people myself included like to separate the volumes to
isolate functionality.  This can keep email flowing even when other
parts of the system are blocked by a full disk.

Also disks are getting very large these days.  Putting 2T into one
filesystem works fine.  But when or if a problem occurs then it occurs
across a 2T filesystem and can be very painful to work with while
trying to correct problems.  Almost anything dealing with large
filesystems take a long time.  Therefore sizing to a better fit size
with several smaller filesystems can optimize disaster recovery.
I use LVM to enable me to fit sizes better and to grow (or shrink) as
needed.

Since I use LVM, LVM with RAID, LVM with encrypted partitions, and
other configurations I always set up /boot on its own ext2 partition.
I am currently consuming between 30M and 90M on various machines in
/boot so anything 100M or larger would be fine.  That is so small that
there isn't any real gain by using ext3 or ext4 and with the journal
it is worse.  Using ext2 keeps it simple for the bootloader and is
well supported.

I always set /var up on a separate partition.  This enables logs to be
recorded and email to be transfered even if other parts of the
filesystem become full.  The size needed will vary with your
particular use of it.  Since I use LVM I can expand and contract it
after installation and so am not locked to the installation size.  I
usually install a 3G /var partition.

If it is just myself using the machine than /boot, /var and / might be
plenty enough.  But if there are multiple users then I always set up
/home and potentially individual user partitions.  Some users are disk
hogs.  The steady state of filesystems is full.  I keep disk hog users
on their own partition and then they don't negatively impact everyone
else on the system.  I find using LVM and partitions easier than user
quotas.  With LVM it is easy to create and size custom partitions.
(Side Note: I like xfs but you can't downsize a partition.  So I have
been using ext3 for the most part which supports both upsizing and
downsizing on the fly.)

If you are going to use /usr/local/* or /opt/* for your own purposes
then by all means feel free to set up partitions for them.  I don't
usually need those on my systems.  On Debian /opt isn't normally used.
It is completely a local option to use it.  This is the opposite of
some commercial Unix systems.

For me every server almost always has one or more chroots set up on
them.  Each chroot is a little system and so could have their own
individual partitions.  But I find that using one partition for /srv
and setting up /srv/chroot/* is usually sufficient for my needs.  Then
if the /srv/chroot/sid/var/ fills up it again doesn't cause global
problems on the rest of the system.

Summary:  Here is my recommendation.

  /boot   200M as ext2
  /var3G
  /   Size As Needed
  /...others...Set Up As Needed

Keep some free blocks reserved in LVM ready to deploy when needed.
Set up additional partitions as you need them.  Stay flexible.  There
is no one true correct answer and many admins will have their own
individualized recipes.

As long as I am here I should mention that Linux memory overcommit
should also be factored into setting up a server for reliability and
sizing swap and virtual memory needs follow.  I have previously posted
on this before so instead of repeating myself again just let me say
please go read these previous postings about the avoiding the OOM Killer.

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/08/msg00022.html

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/04/msg02554.html

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Re: newbie intro

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100814_165057, Tom Poe wrote:
> Phil Requirements wrote:
> >On 2010-08-14 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
> >>Camaleón wrote:
> >>>On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
> >>>
> Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use
> debian?
> >>>I hope so :-)
> >>>
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and
> >>160GB.  Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to
> >>prepare drive settings to install with reformatting both when
> >>inserting CD/DVD.  Any suggestions appreciated (really limited
> >>computer skills, here).
> >>Tom
> >>
> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >I'm not sure what you mean by "use both drives as one", but I think
> >you are adding some complexity that doesn't need to be there. Since
> >you are just starting, I suggest you DO NOT try to "merge" the disks
> >in any way. Here is a different suggestion.
> >
> >You are probably somewhat familiar with the linux file system from
> >using Ubuntu. One of the basic concepts, different from Windows, is
> >that there is only one file system on the machine, and every hard
> >disk, or CD, or DVD, or flash drive is integrated somewhere into this
> >file system. There is no "C:\", nor "D:\", nor "E:\", but only one file
> >system "/".
> >
> >My computer has three hard drives and, 2 DVD drives, some network
> >drives. And they all work "as one", which is part of your wishlist.
> >Here is the more basic way to accomplish this:
> >
> >Install the operating system onto whichever drive is newer and
> >more trustworthy. Ignore the other hard drive during the installation
> >process. After the system is up and running well, you will add that
> >second hard drive back into your system, and use it for some function
> >that needs extra storage.
> >
> >You could use the second hard drive as a backup:
> >
> >/the root of the file system
> >/home/tom/   your home folder
> >/mnt/backup/ <-- everything placed in this folder goes on your 2nd hdd
> >
> >Or you could use the second hard drive to store digital camera
> >images:
> >
> >/   the root of the file system
> >/home/tom/  your home folder
> >/home/tom/images/Canon/ <-- everything place in this folder goes on your 
> > 2nd hdd
> >
> >This is a more simple, basic, normal setup. Once you are using
> >the computer, all hard drives will seem to be unified into this
> >one file system. They will all function "as one" and be totally
> >transparent to you. It will all appear to be one big 240 GB file
> >system. Would that be good enough?
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> Your description sounds like we're on the same page.  My hard drives
> need the settings on the pins set up as master/slave?
  

Are you running Ununtu now? Does Ubuntu see both drives? If so, Debian
will discover them during install. Nothing to change in the hardware.

The more difficult problem is with Windows. If you are running
Microsoft Windows now *and* want to be able to run Windows after
installing Debian, then you should find and read the sections of the
installation guide that cover "dual booting".

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Re: partitioning HD for server

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <201008141400.06004.sl...@rcn.com>, Louis Hinman wrote:
>On my desktop, I have partitioned my HD as follows:
>
>/root

You mean '/' right?  '/' is the root of the unified UNIX/Linux directory tree 
for a single system.  '/root' is a directory (not usually a separate file 
system) that is normally used as the home directory of the "root" user.

>/swap

Swap space isn't part of the directory tree; it doesn't have a pathname like 
this.

>/home
>/usr/local
>/opt
>

>What would be an appropriate partition scheme for my web server?

/home, /tmp, and /var/tmp (as well as any other world-writable directory) 
should be separate file systems.  (They could reside on the same partition or 
even, as is in my case, on non-partitioned space.)

Other than that, I think the rest is really personal preference if you don't 
want to share the file systems between multiple systems.

/usr, /usr/local, /opt, /var, /srv, /var/cache, /boot can each be justified as 
separate file systems, but I don't think any are mandatory for your set-up.
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Re: Creating a bootable USB key

[brownh]

Jimmy Johnson  writes:

> brownh wrote:
>> Jimmy,
>>
>> I inadvertangly sent this message to you personally, but here send it
>> to the list.
>>
>> The directions for creating a bootable USB key don't mention running
>> cfdisk on it to make it bootable. I simply copied syslinux to the key,
>> but suspect I have to run cfdisk as well. Is that so? 
>>
>> Haines Brown 
>
>
> I use gparted and it works for me, I do as I describe in the post you
> are replying to.

Jimmy, sorry to follow your kind answer with a question about it. This 
gnome application, gparted, is only described as a partition
manipulator (I don't use any desktop environment, and so I'm not
familiar with it). Does this "manipulation" include setting a boot
flag? If so, then does your answer imply that this flag does indeed
have to be set, despite an absense of its mention in some of the
directions for making a bootable USB key?

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Re: newbie intro

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4c66d777.5010...@meltel.net>, Tom Poe wrote:
>Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
>>> My wish list:  I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as
>>> workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and 160GB.
>>> Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to prepare drive
>>> settings to install with reformatting both when inserting CD/DVD.  Any
>>> suggestions appreciated (really limited computer skills, here). Tom
>> 
>> Uf, you start hard :-)
>> I'd recommend reading:
>> 
>> 6.3.2.4. Configuring the Logical Volume Manager (LVM)
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
>> 
>> Greetings,
>
>Thanks for the link.  Will definitely follow it.

Without going into all the details, I suggest you prepare a 100 MB '/boot' 
partition that is not under the control of LVM.
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Re: newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Phil Requirements wrote:

On 2010-08-14 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
  

Camaleón wrote:


On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:

  

Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use
debian?


I hope so :-)

  
[snip] 


workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and
160GB.  Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to
prepare drive settings to install with reformatting both when
inserting CD/DVD.  Any suggestions appreciated (really limited
computer skills, here).
Tom




Tom,

I'm not sure what you mean by "use both drives as one", but I think
you are adding some complexity that doesn't need to be there. Since
you are just starting, I suggest you DO NOT try to "merge" the disks
in any way. Here is a different suggestion.

You are probably somewhat familiar with the linux file system from
using Ubuntu. One of the basic concepts, different from Windows, is
that there is only one file system on the machine, and every hard
disk, or CD, or DVD, or flash drive is integrated somewhere into this
file system. There is no "C:\", nor "D:\", nor "E:\", but only one file
system "/".

My computer has three hard drives and, 2 DVD drives, some network
drives. And they all work "as one", which is part of your wishlist.
Here is the more basic way to accomplish this:

Install the operating system onto whichever drive is newer and
more trustworthy. Ignore the other hard drive during the installation
process. After the system is up and running well, you will add that
second hard drive back into your system, and use it for some function
that needs extra storage.

You could use the second hard drive as a backup:

/the root of the file system
/home/tom/   your home folder
/mnt/backup/ <-- everything placed in this folder goes on your 2nd hdd

Or you could use the second hard drive to store digital camera
images:

/   the root of the file system
/home/tom/  your home folder
/home/tom/images/Canon/ <-- everything place in this folder goes on your 
2nd hdd

This is a more simple, basic, normal setup. Once you are using
the computer, all hard drives will seem to be unified into this
one file system. They will all function "as one" and be totally
transparent to you. It will all appear to be one big 240 GB file
system. Would that be good enough?

Phil


  
Your description sounds like we're on the same page.  My hard drives 
need the settings on the pins set up as master/slave?

Tom


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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:00:10 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

>> Can you launch "eclipse" with some "-debug" option? Maybe you'll get
>> additonal information.
>>   
> Sure.
> 
> ==
> $ ./eclipse -debug

(...)

> -vm
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/../jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so

(...)

> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object ==
> 
> Nothing interesting there.

The above path... not sure if it's right.

Try by manually forcing the full path to java bin:

***
./eclipse -debug -vm 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/jre/bin/java
***

Also, run "which java" and put here the output.

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Re: newbie intro

[Phil Requirements]

On 2010-08-14 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
> >On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
> >
> >>Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use
> >>debian?
> >
> >I hope so :-)
> >
> [snip] 
>
> workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and
> 160GB.  Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to
> prepare drive settings to install with reformatting both when
> inserting CD/DVD.  Any suggestions appreciated (really limited
> computer skills, here).
> Tom
> 

Tom,

I'm not sure what you mean by "use both drives as one", but I think
you are adding some complexity that doesn't need to be there. Since
you are just starting, I suggest you DO NOT try to "merge" the disks
in any way. Here is a different suggestion.

You are probably somewhat familiar with the linux file system from
using Ubuntu. One of the basic concepts, different from Windows, is
that there is only one file system on the machine, and every hard
disk, or CD, or DVD, or flash drive is integrated somewhere into this
file system. There is no "C:\", nor "D:\", nor "E:\", but only one file
system "/".

My computer has three hard drives and, 2 DVD drives, some network
drives. And they all work "as one", which is part of your wishlist.
Here is the more basic way to accomplish this:

Install the operating system onto whichever drive is newer and
more trustworthy. Ignore the other hard drive during the installation
process. After the system is up and running well, you will add that
second hard drive back into your system, and use it for some function
that needs extra storage.

You could use the second hard drive as a backup:

/the root of the file system
/home/tom/   your home folder
/mnt/backup/ <-- everything placed in this folder goes on your 2nd hdd

Or you could use the second hard drive to store digital camera
images:

/   the root of the file system
/home/tom/  your home folder
/home/tom/images/Canon/ <-- everything place in this folder goes on your 
2nd hdd

This is a more simple, basic, normal setup. Once you are using
the computer, all hard drives will seem to be unified into this
one file system. They will all function "as one" and be totally
transparent to you. It will all appear to be one big 240 GB file
system. Would that be good enough?

Phil


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Re: newbie intro

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100814_125047, Tom Poe wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
> >On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
> >
> >>Camaleón wrote:
> >>>On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use debian?
> >>>(...)
> >>>
> >>>I hope so :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>OK.  So, for starters, I'd like to know which version to use.
> >
> >That will vary based on the role of your machine.
> >
> >- Debian lenny (current stable) is recommended for any use
> >(servers, workstations, laptops...).
> >
> >- Debian squeeze (current testing) is recommended for a bit more
> >advanced users and for newer hadware.
> >
> >Being your first Debian installtion, I would start with Lenny.
> >
> >>Lookslike I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?
> >>I'm on fixed income, so would have to send money order.  Any
> >>suggestions?
> >
> >You can contribute in many ways (translating, reporting bugs,
> >helping others...), not just "by money". Anyway, you can buy a
> >CD/DVD:
> >
> >Vendors of Debian CDs
> >http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/index.en.html
> >
> >Just look for any that suits your needs (which accepts money orders).
> >
> >Of course, you can also get a free copy of Debian.
> >
> >>My wish list:  I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as
> >>workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and 160GB.
> >>Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to prepare drive
> >>settings to install with reformatting both when inserting CD/DVD.  Any
> >>suggestions appreciated (really limited computer skills, here). Tom
> >
> >Uf, you start hard :-)
> >
> >I think you will need to setup LVM, wich adds a layer of complexity
> >in the installation and management. I do not use LVM at all so
> >someone here with experience in this would serve you better.
> >
> >I'd recommend reading:
> >
> >6.3.2.4. Configuring the Logical Volume Manager (LVM)
> >http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
> >
> >Greetings,
> >
> Thanks for the link.  Will definitely follow it.
> Tom
> 

Tom, 
The last time I did an install, I noticed that the netinstall CD contains
an option for setting up LVM as part to the initial install. I haven't
used it, as I don't do LVM. But it is there. 

This is by no means a suggestion that you can avoid reading the
documentation prior to doing an install. Do have a look at www.debian.org
I suggest your first contribution to Debian might be reading www.debian.org
with the mind-set of a new user. What do you find puzzling or confusing.

Discover the bug tracking system. Make bug reports about what you find.
The bug tracking system has categories for documentation, wishes, etc.
There is a special category just for reports about doing the install.

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Re: Corrupted FS every 50 checks

[Hanspeter Spalinger]

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On 08/14/2010 09:01 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the fs' checking period set to 50 mounts for now some years. The
> problem is that I always get errors when e2fsck verifies the fs, and
> always on the same: /dev/sdc5. Well, this is where I have all my docs,
> my university stuff, and this is even more annoying. I could do backups,
> but I can't understand why this filesystem is problematic, because I
> don't use it often, at least these times. I always have errors about the
> AucTeX files. Well, auctex is simply an emacs extension for LaTeX, and I
> can't understand why some specific files always cause troubles. I don't
> always get the same errors. This time, it was mainly *things like error
> filesystem Inode has EXTENTS_FL flag set, but not too many.*
> **
> *1) Why are they happening? My disk is not old. (/dev/sdc5 is on another
> disk than the /etc, etc.)*
> *2) Should I think about buying another hdd? I tried with the hdd life
> tools (I can't remember their names) which are bundled with Debian, but
> they don't show any failing thing (they have quite the same score as
> other hdds in my computer).*
> ***
> 
> Thanks.
> *
> 
Hi,
Do you actualy FIX those errors? Afaik the fsck at startup does not fix
all errors (it plays safe). Try run fsck manualy (but make a backup
first and read the man-page).
I assume you use the other partitions more often, with no error, so i
don't think your problem is hardware related.
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Re: Disk error?

[green]

pch0317 wrote at 2010-08-14 13:56 -0500:
> I put in attachment dmesg output. The last lines, I think, give the answer.

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Blank blue screen after logging into an account for the first time with gdm & choosing window manager

[Daniel Trebbien]

On one of my computers, running Debian Squeeze, I have two user
accounts. One has been used exclusively for running Nautilus and GNOME
applications. The other has been used exclusively over SSH. At
start-up, gdm automatically logs into the "graphical" account, but
today I decided that I wanted to use Nautilus with the other account
as well.

After gdm automatically logged me into the "graphical" account, I then
logged out and entered my username and password for the other account.
Once the gdm screen cleared, I immediately saw a full-screen
wizard-like GUI that was asking me to choose a window manager. There
were two options: "metacity" and "Twm" with "metacity" selected by
default. I unchecked "Ask every time" and clicked OK. That screen
disappeared, but all that I saw was a blank blue screen and the mouse
cursor. I could move the mouse and the cursor would move, but nothing
else loaded. In particular, Nautilus and the GNOME panels did not
load. I had to forcefully shut down the computer just to get out.

The content of the account's .xsession-errors file is:

/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
Added '/usr/bin/metacity' to list of window managers, as it is the
configured default.

So why didn't Nautilus start after I selected a window manager?


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Re: newbie intro

[Stephen Powell]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:16:23 -0400 (EDT), Tom Poe  wrote:
> ...
> Looks like I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?
> ...

Many vendors who sell Debian CDs allow you to make a contribution
to Debian in conjunction with your purchase.  But that is not the
only way to financially contribute to Debian.  I would use the
installation method that suits you best, regardless of whether or not
that method allows you to make a contribution.  Myself, I prefer the
so-called "netboot" installation image, which is very small.

In any case, if you wish to make a financial contribution to Debian,
see the following web page: http://www.debian.org/donations.

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Disk error?

[pch0317]

Hi.
I have problem with my laptop.
When I use graphic enviroment some program like icedove don't response.
I think, this is depend on disk.
I put in attachment dmesg output. The last lines, I think, give the answer.

Thanks


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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
> Can you launch "eclipse" with some "-debug" option? Maybe you'll get 
> additonal information.
>   
Sure.

==
$ ./eclipse -debug
Start VM: -Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5
-XX:MaxPermSize=256m
-Xms40m
-Xmx384m
-Djava.class.path=/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.1.0.v20100507.jar
-os linux
-ws gtk
-arch x86
-showsplash
/home/merciadriluca/eclipse//plugins/org.eclipse.platform_3.6.0.v201006080911/splash.bmp
-launcher /home/merciadriluca/eclipse/eclipse
-name Eclipse
--launcher.library
/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.gtk.linux.x86_1.1.0.v20100503/eclipse_1307.so
-startup
/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.1.0.v20100507.jar
-product org.eclipse.epp.package.java.product
-debug
-vm
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/../jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so
-vmargs
-Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5
-XX:MaxPermSize=256m
-Xms40m
-Xmx384m
-Djava.class.path=/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.1.0.v20100507.jar

Error occurred during initialization of VM
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
==

Nothing interesting there.


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Corrupted FS every 50 checks

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

I have the fs' checking period set to 50 mounts for now some years. The
problem is that I always get errors when e2fsck verifies the fs, and
always on the same: /dev/sdc5. Well, this is where I have all my docs,
my university stuff, and this is even more annoying. I could do backups,
but I can't understand why this filesystem is problematic, because I
don't use it often, at least these times. I always have errors about the
AucTeX files. Well, auctex is simply an emacs extension for LaTeX, and I
can't understand why some specific files always cause troubles. I don't
always get the same errors. This time, it was mainly *things like error
filesystem Inode has EXTENTS_FL flag set, but not too many.*
**
*1) Why are they happening? My disk is not old. (/dev/sdc5 is on another
disk than the /etc, etc.)*
*2) Should I think about buying another hdd? I tried with the hdd life
tools (I can't remember their names) which are bundled with Debian, but
they don't show any failing thing (they have quite the same score as
other hdds in my computer).*
***

Thanks.
*

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Re: Creating a bootable USB key

[Jimmy Johnson]

brownh wrote:

Jimmy,

I inadvertangly sent this message to you personally, but here send it
to the list.

The directions for creating a bootable USB key don't mention running
cfdisk on it to make it bootable. I simply copied syslinux to the key,
but suspect I have to run cfdisk as well. Is that so? 

Haines Brown 



I use gparted and it works for me, I do as I describe in the post you 
are replying to.

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Re: 802.11 WPA network key prompt despite GNOME keyring

[Mark]

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Mark  wrote:

> 2010/8/14 Stanisław Findeisen 
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am trying to use a 802.11 wireless network that frequently disconnects
>> me (low signal). The network is protected with WPA pre-shared key. The
>> problem is I am being prompted for this key every time.
>>
>> Well, almost every. When I log in, I do not have to type the key. It is
>> stored in the GNOME keyring (I use nm-editor 0.6.6 for that).
>> But then, when it disconnects, I have to type it again and again. Why?
>>
>> And sometimes it doesn't prompt me, and failes to authenticate also. :-|
>> I had to delete the network entry from the GNOME keyring (nm-editor),
>> get *prompted* for the key, and *then* I was authenticated. 8-|
>>
>> What's wrong??!
>>
>
> I had a similar issue a while ago on a friend's machine and wondered the
> same thing.  Searched for days before finally finding a solution somewhere
> buried deep in the Ubuntu forums; your nm-editor hack sounds familiar.  My
> friend's machine had auto login which caused the issue with wpa encryption.
> It was on Debian Lenny.
>
>
P.S. that was when I officially gave up on Network Manager for wireless
devices running wpa.  I only use wicd for wifi now, and have zero problems,
so you may want to consider that option.

Re: newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:

  

Camaleón wrote:


On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:


  

Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use debian?




(...)

I hope so :-)



  
OK.  So, for starters, I'd like to know which version to use.  



That will vary based on the role of your machine.

- Debian lenny (current stable) is recommended for any use (servers, 
workstations, laptops...). 

- Debian squeeze (current testing) is recommended for a bit more advanced 
users and for newer hadware.


Being your first Debian installtion, I would start with Lenny.

  
Lookslike I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?  I'm 
on fixed income, so would have to send money order.  Any suggestions? 



You can contribute in many ways (translating, reporting bugs, helping 
others...), not just "by money". Anyway, you can buy a CD/DVD:


Vendors of Debian CDs
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/index.en.html

Just look for any that suits your needs (which accepts money orders).

Of course, you can also get a free copy of Debian.

  

My wish list:  I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as
workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and 160GB.
Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to prepare drive
settings to install with reformatting both when inserting CD/DVD.  Any
suggestions appreciated (really limited computer skills, here). Tom



Uf, you start hard :-)

I think you will need to setup LVM, wich adds a layer of complexity in 
the installation and management. I do not use LVM at all so someone here 
with experience in this would serve you better.


I'd recommend reading:

6.3.2.4. Configuring the Logical Volume Manager (LVM)
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition

Greetings,

  

Thanks for the link.  Will definitely follow it.
Tom


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Re: 802.11 WPA network key prompt despite GNOME keyring

[Mark]

2010/8/14 Stanisław Findeisen 

> Hi
>
> I am trying to use a 802.11 wireless network that frequently disconnects
> me (low signal). The network is protected with WPA pre-shared key. The
> problem is I am being prompted for this key every time.
>
> Well, almost every. When I log in, I do not have to type the key. It is
> stored in the GNOME keyring (I use nm-editor 0.6.6 for that).
> But then, when it disconnects, I have to type it again and again. Why?
>
> And sometimes it doesn't prompt me, and failes to authenticate also. :-|
> I had to delete the network entry from the GNOME keyring (nm-editor),
> get *prompted* for the key, and *then* I was authenticated. 8-|
>
> What's wrong??!
>

I had a similar issue a while ago on a friend's machine and wondered the
same thing.  Searched for days before finally finding a solution somewhere
buried deep in the Ubuntu forums; your nm-editor hack sounds familiar.  My
friend's machine had auto login which caused the issue with wpa encryption.
It was on Debian Lenny.

Re: newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Bob Proulx wrote:

Tom Poe wrote:
  

OK.  So, for starters, I'd like to know which version to use.



Since you are asking then I highly recommend that you install and run
the Debian Stable version.  That is the most well known and well
tested release.  (That is why it is called Stable. :-)  The current
Stable release is called Lenny.  Since you are asking then I recommend
using the i386 architecture for the same reasons.

The other releases are Testing and Unstable.  Unstable is where active
development occurs.  That is the bleeding edge.  The Unstable
distribution is always named Sid.  (Sid is the mean kid in Toy Story
who tortures toys.)  You can upgrade from Stable to Unstable but for
the most part that is a one-way street.  It isn't supported to
downgrade from Unstable to Stable or Testing.

Testing is the staging area for the next Stable.  The currently
Testing release is Squeeze.  Squeeze is getting close to release and
hopefully very soon it will be promoted to Stable but it hasn't
happened yet.

These really are not different distributions.  These are stages in the
overall pipeline of packages.  Packages enter in Unstable.  After a
few days of aging if too many problems are not found then they are
promoted into Testing.  At major release events Testing is promoted to
become the new Stable.

Here is some documentation on Debian release tracks.

  http://www.debian.org/releases/

When you start learning and using Debian it is recommended that you
start with Stable.

  

Looks like I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?



No.  That is incorrect.  Debian is a free operating system and you may
always contribute to it.  Also Debian does not sell CDs or DVDs at all
so it is not possible to purchase one from Debian.  There are many
third party vendors who do sell CDs and DVDs.  This is encouraged
because it makes Debian available to a wider user base.  You may
choose to purchase a CD with an official Debian install image from a
third party but it is not required.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

  

I'm on fixed income, so would have to send money order.  Any
suggestions?



I assume you have network access.  You posted this question using a
network!  :-)  In which case I recommend a network install.  Can you
download and burn your own CD?  This is probably the most popular
method for obtaining and installing Debian.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Extremely popular are the netinst images.  These are smaller at
between 135-175 MB and install more of the system directly from the
network.  This makes it the fastest to download and burn to a disk.
If I need an installation image and really just need it once or twice
then I always use the netinst image.  You would be good to start with
the netinst image.

You may also download a CD containing a full system image.  I like
using CD #1 because for me it is most versatile.  DO NOT TRY TO
DOWNLOAD ALL OF THE CD OR DVD IMAGES!  I emphasize this because this
is an often confused topic and people sometimes think they need to
download the entire Debian archive which is gigabytes of data.  Let me
curb that early and say that only one bootable image is needed.  All
of the others are provided for use WITHOUT A NETWORK and also for
archival purposes.  The #1 image is a full disk and longer to download
and burn but I like it when I am going to use it a zillion times for
many installs.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/

  

My wish list: I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as
workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and
160GB.  Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to
prepare drive settings to install with reformatting both when
inserting CD/DVD.  Any suggestions appreciated (really limited
computer skills, here).



Using two disk drives together is a more complicated topic.  I can't
recommend this for someone who claims limited computer skills.  It
isn't that difficult.  But it isn't that simple either.  Also note
that if you join together two disk drives then if either disk drive
fails you will lose all of the data on both disk drives.  I don't use
that type of configuration myself.  (I almost exclusively use two disk
drives of similar size in a RAID configuration so that one drive can
fail without data loss to the system.)

Instead let me recommend to you that you pick one of the drives and
install the system upon it.  Use the guided installation with LVM.
LVM is the logical volume manager.  Later that will give you
flexibility to do what you ask if you so choose.  Working with LVM
this way is a little more complicated than without but the guided
installer helps make it easier.

Be sure to read the installation guide.

  http://www.debian.org/doc/

Bob
  
Thanks.  Excellent information.  I'm on my way. 
Tom



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partitioning HD for server

[Louis Hinman]

To learn Liunx networking, I am going to set up a web server

To this end, I am installing Debian 5.0 on a Dell Dimension 4100 with a 250 MB 
HD.

On my desktop, I have partitioned my HD as follows:

/root
/swap
/home
/usr/local
/opt

What would be an appropriate partition scheme for my web server?

Thanks & Best Regards,

Lou
NYC


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Re: newbie intro

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:16:23 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use debian?
>>> 
>>> 
>> (...)
>>
>> I hope so :-)
>>
>>
>>
> OK.  So, for starters, I'd like to know which version to use.  

That will vary based on the role of your machine.

- Debian lenny (current stable) is recommended for any use (servers, 
workstations, laptops...). 

- Debian squeeze (current testing) is recommended for a bit more advanced 
users and for newer hadware.

Being your first Debian installtion, I would start with Lenny.

> Lookslike I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?  I'm 
> on fixed income, so would have to send money order.  Any suggestions? 

You can contribute in many ways (translating, reporting bugs, helping 
others...), not just "by money". Anyway, you can buy a CD/DVD:

Vendors of Debian CDs
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/index.en.html

Just look for any that suits your needs (which accepts money orders).

Of course, you can also get a free copy of Debian.

> My wish list:  I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as
> workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and 160GB.
> Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to prepare drive
> settings to install with reformatting both when inserting CD/DVD.  Any
> suggestions appreciated (really limited computer skills, here). Tom

Uf, you start hard :-)

I think you will need to setup LVM, wich adds a layer of complexity in 
the installation and management. I do not use LVM at all so someone here 
with experience in this would serve you better.

I'd recommend reading:

6.3.2.4. Configuring the Logical Volume Manager (LVM)
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition

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Re: newbie intro

[Bob Proulx]

Tom Poe wrote:
> OK.  So, for starters, I'd like to know which version to use.

Since you are asking then I highly recommend that you install and run
the Debian Stable version.  That is the most well known and well
tested release.  (That is why it is called Stable. :-)  The current
Stable release is called Lenny.  Since you are asking then I recommend
using the i386 architecture for the same reasons.

The other releases are Testing and Unstable.  Unstable is where active
development occurs.  That is the bleeding edge.  The Unstable
distribution is always named Sid.  (Sid is the mean kid in Toy Story
who tortures toys.)  You can upgrade from Stable to Unstable but for
the most part that is a one-way street.  It isn't supported to
downgrade from Unstable to Stable or Testing.

Testing is the staging area for the next Stable.  The currently
Testing release is Squeeze.  Squeeze is getting close to release and
hopefully very soon it will be promoted to Stable but it hasn't
happened yet.

These really are not different distributions.  These are stages in the
overall pipeline of packages.  Packages enter in Unstable.  After a
few days of aging if too many problems are not found then they are
promoted into Testing.  At major release events Testing is promoted to
become the new Stable.

Here is some documentation on Debian release tracks.

  http://www.debian.org/releases/

When you start learning and using Debian it is recommended that you
start with Stable.

> Looks like I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?

No.  That is incorrect.  Debian is a free operating system and you may
always contribute to it.  Also Debian does not sell CDs or DVDs at all
so it is not possible to purchase one from Debian.  There are many
third party vendors who do sell CDs and DVDs.  This is encouraged
because it makes Debian available to a wider user base.  You may
choose to purchase a CD with an official Debian install image from a
third party but it is not required.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

> I'm on fixed income, so would have to send money order.  Any
> suggestions?

I assume you have network access.  You posted this question using a
network!  :-)  In which case I recommend a network install.  Can you
download and burn your own CD?  This is probably the most popular
method for obtaining and installing Debian.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Extremely popular are the netinst images.  These are smaller at
between 135-175 MB and install more of the system directly from the
network.  This makes it the fastest to download and burn to a disk.
If I need an installation image and really just need it once or twice
then I always use the netinst image.  You would be good to start with
the netinst image.

You may also download a CD containing a full system image.  I like
using CD #1 because for me it is most versatile.  DO NOT TRY TO
DOWNLOAD ALL OF THE CD OR DVD IMAGES!  I emphasize this because this
is an often confused topic and people sometimes think they need to
download the entire Debian archive which is gigabytes of data.  Let me
curb that early and say that only one bootable image is needed.  All
of the others are provided for use WITHOUT A NETWORK and also for
archival purposes.  The #1 image is a full disk and longer to download
and burn but I like it when I am going to use it a zillion times for
many installs.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/

> My wish list: I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as
> workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and
> 160GB.  Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to
> prepare drive settings to install with reformatting both when
> inserting CD/DVD.  Any suggestions appreciated (really limited
> computer skills, here).

Using two disk drives together is a more complicated topic.  I can't
recommend this for someone who claims limited computer skills.  It
isn't that difficult.  But it isn't that simple either.  Also note
that if you join together two disk drives then if either disk drive
fails you will lose all of the data on both disk drives.  I don't use
that type of configuration myself.  (I almost exclusively use two disk
drives of similar size in a RAID configuration so that one drive can
fail without data loss to the system.)

Instead let me recommend to you that you pick one of the drives and
install the system upon it.  Use the guided installation with LVM.
LVM is the logical volume manager.  Later that will give you
flexibility to do what you ask if you so choose.  Working with LVM
this way is a little more complicated than without but the guided
installer helps make it easier.

Be sure to read the installation guide.

  http://www.debian.org/doc/

Bob


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Re: newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Hi,

For starters, try finfind answers to your questions, it'll save you
time. Most of what you asked can be answered by browsing around
debian.org, the list archives or searching.

As for versions, i'd stick with stable. Personally i use unstable for
desktops but it does have its occasional quirks (X not starting up
being one of them).

Contribution is up to you, i don't call the shots but tend to think
the best way to contribute is to report bugs.

For your hard-drive setup, read about LVM and/or RAID, i think that's
what you want.

The installation can be done from different media; CDs, flash drives,
through bootp, minimal net install...

The debian site has an installation manual that'll keep you busy for
hours. If it seems daunting, try installing Debian on a virtual
machine in Ubuntu first. Easier to clean up a mess.

HTH,
Nuno


  
Thanks.  Will do.  It looks like I believe I have an x86/i386 computer, 
so should focus on anything pertaining to debian 5.0/lenny, right?

Tom


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Re: newbie intro

[Nuno Magalhães]

Hi,

For starters, try finfind answers to your questions, it'll save you
time. Most of what you asked can be answered by browsing around
debian.org, the list archives or searching.

As for versions, i'd stick with stable. Personally i use unstable for
desktops but it does have its occasional quirks (X not starting up
being one of them).

Contribution is up to you, i don't call the shots but tend to think
the best way to contribute is to report bugs.

For your hard-drive setup, read about LVM and/or RAID, i think that's
what you want.

The installation can be done from different media; CDs, flash drives,
through bootp, minimal net install...

The debian site has an installation manual that'll keep you busy for
hours. If it seems daunting, try installing Debian on a virtual
machine in Ubuntu first. Easier to clean up a mess.

HTH,
Nuno


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Re: newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:

  
Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use debian?  



(...)

I hope so :-)

Greetings,

  
OK.  So, for starters, I'd like to know which version to use.  Looks 
like I can contribute to debian if I purchase CD/DVD, right?  I'm on 
fixed income, so would have to send money order.  Any suggestions?
My wish list:  I'd like to install debian on desktop that serves as 
workstation/server.  The desktop has two hard drives, 80GB and 160GB.  
Would like to use both drives as one.  Not sure how to prepare drive 
settings to install with reformatting both when inserting CD/DVD.  Any 
suggestions appreciated (really limited computer skills, here).

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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 04:07 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:54 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 18:28 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > > > On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> > > > > Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
> > > > > shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
> > > > > https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
> > > > > sources.list file:
> > > > > deb
> > > > > http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
> > > > > lenny main deb-src
> > > > > http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
> > > > > lenny main deb
> > > > > http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu 
> > > > > lenny
> > > > > main
> > > > > deb-src
> > > > > http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu 
> > > > > lenny
> > > > > main
> > > > 
> > > > so, if I wanted to install this, I would
> > > > # aptitude install trinity ?
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
> > > did not.
> > > 
> > > Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
> > > 
> > > I use a preferences file such as:
> > 
> > Very good news! Tim Pearson has the Trinity site back on-line.  As far
> > as I know, the packages are available.  trinity.pearsoncomputing.net
> > 
> > I'm sure they can use all the help they can get now that they've added
> > support for Debian to the Ubuntu work so now is the time for all those
> > who have been clamoring for KDE3 to be preserved to step up :-)
> > 
> > The best of success to you, Tim, and thanks for all the effort - John
> > 
> > 
> The public key for the Debian repository is now available:
> apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 
> 2B8638D0
> 
> 
> 
Here is the latest update I have from Tim on the rebuild of both the
mail lists and the respository:

"OK, all lists are up, including the Trinity ones at
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/

I am working on the startup failure problem now and have isolated it to
kdelibs."

I am guessing that he must have fixed it because I received an email
from Paul Cartwright later saying he was successful in installing
Trinity - John


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Re: newbie intro

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:51:21 -0500, Tom Poe wrote:

> Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use debian?  

(...)

I hope so :-)

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newbie intro

[Tom Poe]

Hi:  Is this correct list for learning how to install and use debian?  I 
presently have Ubuntustudio8.04 on a Dell G260 desktop, and would like 
to move to debian.  Just watched Moglen's Cloud speech, and got inspired.

Thanks, Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN


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Re: Enabling remote logon - any decent intro docs?

[Joao Ferreira gmail]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 21:51 +0100, AG wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I have a guest account on my machine and want to enable that user to 
> access that profile from another Debian machine on my LAN.  This task is 
> called remote networking, right?  And as far as I can tell OpenSSH is 
> probably the way to go.  How can I give this user the experience (i.e. 
> desktop, icons, files, etc.) from the LAN machine that they would get if 
> they were logged in directly?

I usually do it like this:

ssh -X guestu...@remotehost

it'll ask for a username and a password; once you get access to the
shell just call your favourite programs;

the remote machine will forward the graphical parts to your pc. for a
complete "desktop feel" you need to call the "gnome-session" program or
the "start-kde" program.

but, you should expect some minor discrepancies between this and a local
session, simply because things are not 100,00% perfect, only 99,9% :D

this what I usualy do

I've even tried this approach on a SunOS to WindowsXp running mingwin
for X server :) works good enough for me... cheers

cheers
jmf


> 
> I'm sure that this is reasonably straight forward, but I can't seem to 
> find a coherent answer in a language I can understand.  I'm not hugely 
> technical and most docs that I've come across seem to assume computer 
> wizardry above my ability.  I'm not expecting others to do the work, but 
> just would appreciate a sign-post to some decent (newbie-friendly?) 
> documents that will enable me to give a remote user a local experience 
> of their user account while retaining a reasonable degree of security.
> 
> Any ideas?  Thanks very much
> 
> AG
> 
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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:53:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>>> ==
>>> $ eclipse/eclipse
>>> Error occurred during initialization of VM
>>> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object ==
>>>
>>> Why?
>>> 
>>> 
>> He, he... you can also Google a bit, it won't hurt ;-)
>>
>> http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=eclipse+java%2Flang%
2FNoClassDefFoundError%3A+java%2Flang%2FObject&fp=e2910437e368fcc
>>   
> Well, I've no problem with Googling, but I should have mentioned that
> the aforementioned message appears when launching eclipse. As a result,
> I can't even see Eclipse's GUI. Results on Google show persons having
> problems compiling, running/debugging, etc., their files under Eclipse.
> But I can't run Eclipse!

Can you launch "eclipse" with some "-debug" option? Maybe you'll get 
additonal information.

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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:17:14 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>   
>> Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>
> (...)
>
>   
>>> Two ideas on how to by-pass this:
>>>
>>> 1/ If Eclipse has an option to edit the path to the avilable JRE, just
>>> change it from there, or just by manually editing "/etc/eclipse/
>>> java_home".
>>>
>>> 2/ Make a symbolic link (ln -s) from your home's Eclipse java path
>>> pointing to the current (system-wide) java path.
>>>   
>>>   
>> I've choosen the latter, which then makes
>>
>> ==
>> $ eclipse/eclipse
>> Error occurred during initialization of VM
>> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object ==
>>
>> Why?
>> 
>
> He, he... you can also Google a bit, it won't hurt ;-)
>
> http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=eclipse+java%2Flang%2FNoClassDefFoundError%3A+java%2Flang%2FObject&fp=e2910437e368fcc
>   
Well, I've no problem with Googling, but I should have mentioned that
the aforementioned message appears when launching eclipse. As a result,
I can't even see Eclipse's GUI. Results on Google show persons having
problems compiling, running/debugging, etc., their files under Eclipse.
But I can't run Eclipse!

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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:17:14 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Two ideas on how to by-pass this:
>>
>> 1/ If Eclipse has an option to edit the path to the avilable JRE, just
>> change it from there, or just by manually editing "/etc/eclipse/
>> java_home".
>>
>> 2/ Make a symbolic link (ln -s) from your home's Eclipse java path
>> pointing to the current (system-wide) java path.
>>   
> I've choosen the latter, which then makes
> 
> ==
> $ eclipse/eclipse
> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object ==
> 
> Why?

He, he... you can also Google a bit, it won't hurt ;-)

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=eclipse+java%2Flang%2FNoClassDefFoundError%3A+java%2Flang%2FObject&fp=e2910437e368fcc

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Re: Creating a bootable USB key

[brownh]

Jimmy,

I inadvertangly sent this message to you personally, but here send it
to the list.

The directions for creating a bootable USB key don't mention running
cfdisk on it to make it bootable. I simply copied syslinux to the key,
but suspect I have to run cfdisk as well. Is that so? 

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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:45:31 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>   
>> Really nice, but Eclipse seems not to like it that much:
>>
>> ==
>> A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK) must be
>> available in order to run Eclipse. No Java virtual machine was found
>> after searching the following locations:
>> /home/merciadriluca/eclipse/jre/bin/java java in your current PATH
>> ==
>>
>> Why?
>> 
>
> It clearly states that Eclipse is looking for the java bin into the wrong 
> place: "/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/jre/bin/java"
>
> Two ideas on how to by-pass this:
>
> 1/ If Eclipse has an option to edit the path to the avilable JRE, just 
> change it from there, or just by manually editing "/etc/eclipse/
> java_home".
>
> 2/ Make a symbolic link (ln -s) from your home's Eclipse java path 
> pointing to the current (system-wide) java path.
>   
I've choosen the latter, which then makes

==
$ eclipse/eclipse
Error occurred during initialization of VM
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
==

Why?

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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:45:31 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

(...)

> Really nice, but Eclipse seems not to like it that much:
> 
> ==
> A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK) must be
> available in order to run Eclipse. No Java virtual machine was found
> after searching the following locations:
> /home/merciadriluca/eclipse/jre/bin/java java in your current PATH
> ==
> 
> Why?

It clearly states that Eclipse is looking for the java bin into the wrong 
place: "/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/jre/bin/java"

Two ideas on how to by-pass this:

1/ If Eclipse has an option to edit the path to the avilable JRE, just 
change it from there, or just by manually editing "/etc/eclipse/
java_home".

2/ Make a symbolic link (ln -s) from your home's Eclipse java path 
pointing to the current (system-wide) java path.

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Re: What to put on SSD

[Jochen Schulz]

Jörg-Volker Peetz:
>
> Did you enable the 'discard' mount option on your ext4 file system (see
> kernel-/Documentation/filesystems/ext4.txt) in order to make usage of
> the TRIM-ability of the SSD?

Me? -No, because my (1st gen) X25m model doesn't support TRIM.

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Re: Why is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12 not recognized in update-alternatives?

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:57:11 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>   
>> Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>
> (...)
>
>   
>>> ***
>>> update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
>>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/jre/bin/java 1 ***
>>>   
>>>   
>> Thanks for this. And about java-update-alternatives? Is one more
>> prioritary than another? (See my last message, which was apparently not
>> sent.)
>> 
>
> True is that I was totally unaware about the availability of the command  
> Jordan suggested, so I am as lost as you here O:-)
>   
Well, I configured update-alternatives this:

==
# update-alternatives --config java

There are 3 alternatives which provide `java'.

  SelectionAlternative
---
  1/usr/bin/gij-4.3
 +2/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
* 3/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/java
==

Really nice, but Eclipse seems not to like it that much:

==
A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK)
must be available in order to run Eclipse. No Java virtual machine
was found after searching the following locations:
/home/merciadriluca/eclipse/jre/bin/java
java in your current PATH
==

Why?

==
$ file /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/java
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/sun-java6-6-12/jdk1.6.0_12/bin/java: ELF 32-bit
LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses
shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped
==

though.

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Re: Enabling remote logon - any decent intro docs?

[AG]

On 13/08/10 22:46, Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Two Debian machines on a LAN, i'd go for XDMCP - it'll give you the
"remote desktop" feel. It's not that hard, just changing a few values
in text files. If you're using GNOME or KDE it'll probably be easier.

Keyword: XDMCP.


   
Thanks Bob and Nuno - I'll follow up with the XDMCP - the docs seem a 
bit old but they should give me a decent intro.


Many thanks for the quick and helpful responses.

Cheers

AG


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Re: grub2: VFS: Unable to mount root fs

[Simon Brandmair]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:20:02 +0200 Tom H wrote:
> 
> Please post the output of "blkid -c /dev/null" and the working grub2
> "menuentry ... { ... }".

blkid -c /dev/null:
/dev/sda2: LABEL="root" UUID="d8f9ae65-2e4f-4b20-aaac-9c5b6e7c6be7" 
TYPE="ext3" 
/dev/sda5: LABEL="var" UUID="1e30fe16-85e9-4c48-adda-0a5367e6d22d" 
TYPE="ext3" 
/dev/sda8: LABEL="boot" UUID="c9c772a6-75a5-4dbe-8bb8-2663db42e7f4" 
TYPE="ext2" 
/dev/mapper/swap: UUID="b83e7fa2-d2f7-48c3-ac46-ab92b7680b84" TYPE="swap" 

/boot/grub/grub.cfg:
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-20100812' --class debian --
class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(hd0,msdos8)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 
c9c772a6-75a5-4dbe-8bb8-2663db42e7f4
echo'Loading Linux 2.6.32-20100812 ...'
linux   /vmlinuz-2.6.32-20100812 root=/dev/sda2 ro  quiet
echo'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.32-20100812
}

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802.11 WPA network key prompt despite GNOME keyring

[Stanisław Findeisen]

Hi

I am trying to use a 802.11 wireless network that frequently disconnects
me (low signal). The network is protected with WPA pre-shared key. The
problem is I am being prompted for this key every time.

Well, almost every. When I log in, I do not have to type the key. It is
stored in the GNOME keyring (I use nm-editor 0.6.6 for that).
But then, when it disconnects, I have to type it again and again. Why?

And sometimes it doesn't prompt me, and failes to authenticate also. :-|
I had to delete the network entry from the GNOME keyring (nm-editor),
get *prompted* for the key, and *then* I was authenticated. 8-|

What's wrong??!

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