Re: Problemes amb Wacom

2010-09-19 Thread Jordi Fontich
Hola Lluís,
gràcies per les pistes. M'agraaada la Lenny, és realment el que
necessito: estable i amb KDE 3.10 :-) Tot i això potser ara que han
congelat la Squeeze segur que deu ser força estable. M'ho hauré de
pensar...

El 16 de setembre de 2010 18:13, Lluís Gras lluis.g...@gmail.com ha escrit:
 Hola Jordi ;-)

 Darrerament jo també he tingut problemes d'aquests intentant fer funcionar
 unes pissarres SmartBoard amb Squeeze, al final han acabat funcionant
 afegint un parell de fitxers

 usu...@debian:~$ cat /media/sdc8/etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-smarttech.fdi
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1?
 deviceinfo version=0.2
   device
     match key=info.category contains=input
   match key=info.product contains_outof=SMART
   merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringevdev/merge
   merge key=input.x11_options.SendCoreEvents
 type=stringfalse/merge
   /match
     /match
   /device
 /deviceinfo

 usu...@debian:~$ cat /media/sdc8/etc/udev/rules.d/60-SMARTBoard32.rules
 #SMART Technologies rules for permissions.
 KERNEL==ttyS*, MODE=0666
 SUBSYSTEM==usb, ATTR{idVendor}==0b8c, MODE=0666
 SUBSYSTEM==usb, ENV{DEVTYPE}==usb_interface, ATTR{idVendor}==0b8c,
 MODE=0666
 SUBSYSTEMS==usb, DRIVERS==usb, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, MODE:=0666
 #
 #Kernel 2.6.32 and greater has a bug that causes the mouse pointer to jump
 to the top left corner in HID mouse mode.
 #Disable the event stream for affected products.
 #Actually the bug began in 2.6.30, but these rules only work on 2.6.32.  You
 need an fdi policy file to work around 2.6.31.
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0001,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0002,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0003,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0004,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0005,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0006,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0007,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0008,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==000a,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==000b,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0017,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0060,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0061,
 NAME=SB%k
 KERNEL==event*, ATTRS{idVendor}==0b8c, ATTRS{idProduct}==0042,
 NAME=SB%k


 Ja se que no ve massa al cas però potser trobes alguna solució que es basi
 en aquesta aproximació i per últim em pregunto en veu alta si hi ha algun
 araó especial per no fer evolucionar la instal·lació de Lenny a Squeeze,
 potser amb el canvi de nucli el problema és resoldria sol, ara mateix tots
 els equips que tinc amb Testing no necessiten cap fitxer xorg.conf per
 funcionar correctament.

 En fi, sort i si trobes la solució ja ens en faràs cinc cèntims.


 2010/9/15 Jordi Fontich jfonti...@yahoo.es

 Hola,
 he provat a afegir al xorg.conf les línees següents:

 Section InputDevice
        Identifier      stylus
        Driver          wacom
        Option          Device                /dev/input/wacom
        Option          Type                  stylus
        Option          USB                   on
 EndSection

 Section InputDevice
        Identifier      eraser
        Driver          wacom
        Option          Device                /dev/input/wacom
        Option          Type                  eraser
        Option          USB                   on
 EndSection

 Section InputDevice
        Identifier      cursor
        Driver          wacom
        Option          Device                /dev/input/wacom
        Option          Type                  cursor
        Option          USB                   on
 EndSection

 Section InputDevice
        Identifier      pad
        Driver          wacom
        Option          Device                /dev/input/wacom
        Option          Type                  pad
        Option          USB                   on
 EndSection



 Section ServerLayout
        Identifier      Default Layout
        Screen          Default Screen
        InputDevice     Generic Keyboard
        InputDevice     Configured Mouse
        InputDevice     stylus                SendCoreEvents
        InputDevice     eraser                SendCoreEvents
        InputDevice     cursor                SendCoreEvents
        InputDevice     pad                   # no core events
 EndSection

 Al reiniciar les X la tauleta funciona, però el ratolí no acaba d'anar
 bé: la rodeta no funciona, i el botó secundari tampoc. Alguna idea?



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Re: recherche serveur web

2010-09-19 Thread Jérôme
Le samedi 18 septembre 2010 à 12:19 +0200, Yves Rutschle a écrit :
  machines : win32
  Tu es sur une liste Debian, ici, hein...
 
  Chatoulleux... nouveau venu ?
  Les anciens le sont moins.
 
 Bof, (je me considère comme assez ancien pour répondre ;) ),
 autant j'ai ignoré la question, autant demander _ici_ quel
 serveur Web utiliser sur Windows a autant de chance
 d'apporter une réponse que de de demander comment cuire un
 steak sur un forum végétarien. C'est clairement pas le bon
 endroit.
 
 Y. 

Allez, je vais répondre quand même :
Pour les Windblowsiens en cours de conversion, il y a la framakey Ubuntu
remix, clé tout terrain qui permet de lancer Ubuntu avec un serveur, ou
de rester sur Windblows avec un petit serveur suffisant pour ton usage.

Pour se balader avec sa démo sans être sur de la connectivité, c'est
pratique. 

Ceci dit il y a d'autres solutions de clé/liveCD qui permettent ça
aussi. Tu peux même te faire la tienne en partant du liveCD de Debian.

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Re: Mldonkey-server ne dém arre plus / mlnet démarre

2010-09-19 Thread Aurelien
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 08:56:05PM +0200, Aurelien wrote :
 On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 02:22:55PM +0200, Jean-Jacques Doti wrote :
  
  On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:09:13 +0200, Aurelien tyran...@free.fr wrote:
   On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 11:50:21AM +0200, Jean-Jacques Doti wrote :
   
   On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:33:14 +0200, Aurelien tyran...@free.fr wrote:
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 10:23:52AM +0200, Guillaume Caron wrote :
 Message du 06/09/10 09:44
 De : Aurelien 
 Objet : Mldonkey-server ne démarre plus / mlnet démarre
 
 
 Salut,
 
 Depuis mon l'upgrade de Vendredi (SID), mldonkey-server ne démarre
 plus,
 ni au démarrage ni via /etc/init.d/mldonkey-server start. Aucun
 message
 d'erreur, mais pas de processus mlnet non plus.
 Par contre, si je tape mlnet en root, alors il démarre, mais il
 démarre
 dans le répertoire root, ce qui n'était pas tout à fait l'idée.
 
 Pas un message dans les logs de mldonkey ni dans ceux du système.
 
 Je n'arrive pas à trouver de posts pertinents (étant donné que
 mldonkey-server ne démarre pas est une phrase qu'on retrouver un
   peu
 partout).
 
 Quelqu'un a-t-il une idée ?
 
 A plus tard.
 Aurélien
 

 

Salut,

Je me permets de relancer, n'ayant toujours trouvé ni le problème, ni
une piste pour le résoudre.
Si quelqu'un a un semblant d'idée pour m'orienter.

Merci.

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Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Thierry Chatelet
Bonjour,
Ma fille commence à gérer son ordi toure seule. Donc elle a supprimé plus de 
300 fichiers, dont tout X. Je lui est fait faire un desktop=kde, puis tasksel 
install desktop, puis tasksel install laptop. Elle a retrouvé X et tout le 
reste;mais son touchpad ne fonctionne plus.J'ai cherché sur google,mais mis à 
part un faux bug, je ne trouve rien d' utile. Le portable est sous squeeze, 
amd 64. Une piste, un lien
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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:48:51 +0200, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
wrote:

xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?

 Ma fille commence à gérer son ordi toure seule. Donc elle a supprimé plus
 de 300 fichiers, dont tout X. Je lui est fait faire un desktop=kde, puis
 tasksel install desktop, puis tasksel install laptop. Elle a retrouvé X
 et tout le reste;mais son touchpad ne fonctionne plus.J'ai cherché sur
 google,mais mis à part un faux bug, je ne trouve rien d' utile. Le

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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Sunday 19 September 2010 13:25:50 Jean-Yves F. Barbier wrote:
 On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:48:51 +0200, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
 wrote:
 
 xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
 
  Ma fille commence à gérer son ordi toure seule. Donc elle a supprimé plus
  de 300 fichiers, dont tout X. Je lui est fait faire un desktop=kde, puis
  tasksel install desktop, puis tasksel install laptop. Elle a retrouvé X
  et tout le reste;mais son touchpad ne fonctionne plus.J'ai cherché sur
  google,mais mis à part un faux bug, je ne trouve rien d' utile. Le

Ilestinstaller. Je pense qu'il faut d'abord savoir si le touchpad est vu par 
le noyau? Mais je ne sais pas comment faire.
Thierry

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netinst ancien Lenny : paquets non certifiés

2010-09-19 Thread Grégory Bulot
Bonjour, 

Je suis obligé de reinstaller rapidement mon PC (dd + graveur : HS)

j'ai retrouvé un ancienne NetInst Lenny (+1 ans), et systématiquement
l'installation des logiciels plantent, c'est l'étape juste après tasksel.

la console journal : des paquets non certifiés peuvent compromettre la
sécurité de votre système [...] Pour continuer, entrer Oui [...]

C'est bien joli, mais je ne peux saisir dans la console de log (F4)
et la console de l'installateur (F1) n'affiche pas ce que je viens de
citer présent dans les log 

je fais comment ?

déjà fait :
chroot /target /bin/bash puis un aptitude debian-archive-keyring : le
problème persiste , par contre j'ai oublier de monter /proc 
lors du test




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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:42:24 +0200, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
wrote:

Dans dmesg normalement, par ex. qq chose comme: 
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
et
input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input2
en cherchant dev.

Sinon en installant gpm qui permet l'utilisation d'une souris en mode
console.

...
 Ilestinstaller. Je pense qu'il faut d'abord savoir si le touchpad est vu
 par le noyau?

Les noyaux de base voient quasiment tout.

 Mais je ne sais pas comment faire.

Lire les  docs; suivant le type de touchpad, il est soit vu comme une
souris ps/2, soit il faut explicitement indiquer un driver spécifique.
Là, gpm permet un test rapide: tant que ça ne fonctionne pas sous console,
pas la peine d'aller voir sous X.

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Menu Openbox

2010-09-19 Thread Florian Gambert
Bonjour,


Après avoir ouvert le menu d'openbox (click droit sur le bureau), si je n'ai 
pas encore navigué dedans (aucun item de sélectionné) et que j'appuie 
sur la flèche droite alors la session openbox se ferme.
C'est également le cas avec le fichier de configuration du menu par défaut.
Donc ma question, c'est désactivable? Parceque ça m'arrive souvent de 
fermer la session involontairement.

Merci


  

Re: netinst ancien Lenny : paquets non certifiés

2010-09-19 Thread Mourad Jaber



Le 19/09/2010 13:54, Grégory Bulot a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je suis obligé de reinstaller rapidement mon PC (dd + graveur : HS)

j'ai retrouvé un ancienne NetInst Lenny (+1 ans), et systématiquement
l'installation des logiciels plantent, c'est l'étape juste après tasksel.

la console journal : des paquets non certifiés peuvent compromettre la
sécurité de votre système [...] Pour continuer, entrer Oui [...]

C'est bien joli, mais je ne peux saisir dans la console de log (F4)
et la console de l'installateur (F1) n'affiche pas ce que je viens de
citer présent dans les log 

je fais comment ?

déjà fait :
chroot /target /bin/bash puis un aptitude debian-archive-keyring : le
problème persiste , par contre j'ai oublier de monter /proc 
lors du test




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Bonjour,

As-tu essayé de faire une installation sans utiliser tasksel ?

Une fois que tu as un système de base, ça te permettra de faire les mises à jour qui vont 
bien pour pouvoir relancer manuellement tasksel...


Le chroot que tu as fait à peu de chance de fonctionner puisque ce sont les outils du CD 
qui font le travail pendant l'installation !


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[résolu]netinst ancien Lenny : paquets non certifiés

2010-09-19 Thread Grégory Bulot

 Bonjour,
 
 As-tu essayé de faire une installation sans utiliser tasksel ?

Non, je pensais pas qu'il existait un executable, je ne voyais que
l'interface lors d'une install

 Le chroot que tu as fait à peu de chance de fonctionner puisque ce
 sont les outils du CD qui font le travail pendant l'installation !


vi /target/etc/apt/sources.list
j'ai commenté les dépôts volatile 
kill du aptitude 
depuis l'interface tasksel choix poste de travail et l'installation
s'est correctement terminées (il y a 5 minutes )

bon maintenant backport (openoffice), flash (qui fait que je dois
cliquer sur play flash pour zapper les flash-pub), uzbl, mplayer (enfer
avec les compatibilitées flv, wmv, quicktime, )

retrouver une config xorg bi-ecran 

bref le plus chiant
:-D

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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Sunday 19 September 2010 13:56:56 Jean-Yves F. Barbier wrote:
 On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:42:24 +0200, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
 wrote:
 
 Dans dmesg normalement, par ex. qq chose comme:
 mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
 et
 input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
 as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input2
 en cherchant dev.
 
 Sinon en installant gpm qui permet l'utilisation d'une souris en mode
 console.
 

Gpm: la souris marche en console mais pas le pad. dmesg |grep input:
SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input8
Je pense donc qu'il est quelque part.
Thierry

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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:33:41 +0200, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
wrote:

Ha, mais dans bcp de cas qd tu connectes une souris la CM déconnecte le
touchpad (ou plus exactement le masque.)
Ca me rappelle un truc du même genre, ça avait à faire avec alps ou non
dans le fichier de conf (vieux portable); ça tombe bien ça fait une
éternité que je n'ai pas fait de MàJ dessus.

 Gpm: la souris marche en console mais pas le pad. dmesg |grep input:
 SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input8
 Je pense donc qu'il est quelque part.

il est reconnu, c'est djà ça :)

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Re: Renommer récursivement

2010-09-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski

Le 18/09/2010 19:56, Papinux a écrit :

Le Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:41:35 +0200, Nicolas Roudninski a écrit :

   

Bonjour à tous,
 

Bonsoir,
[...]
   

Vous auriez ça sous le coude ?
 

Essaie avec detox, avec quelque chose comme:
$ detox -r *

Je t'invite à lire man detoxrc où il est dit que
l'underscore remplace les caractères suivants :
space ` ! @ $ * \ | : ;  '? /

Effectivement :
$ detox -rv -s utf_8 /opt/audio/*
fonctionne parfaitement.
Merci beaucoup !

Cordialement,

N. Roudninski



Ménage dans dpkg

2010-09-19 Thread Mourad Jaber

 Bonjour,

J'ai un warning récurent à chaque fois que je fait un upgrade :
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne 47830 paquet 
'virtualbox-3.1':

 error in Version string '3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny': invalid character in 
revision number
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne 47852 paquet 
'virtualbox-3.0':

 error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character in 
revision number
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne 49374 paquet 
'virtualbox-2.2':

 error in Version string '2.2.4-47978_Debian_lenny': invalid character in 
revision number
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne 49442 paquet 
'virtualbox-2.1':

 error in Version string '2.1.4-42893_Debian_lenny': invalid character in 
revision number

J'ai pourtant supprimé les miroirs de virtualbox et fait un apt-get update, mais rien n'y 
fait !


Comment forcer apt à reconstruire la base de donnée uniquement avec les versions présentes 
sur les mirroirs ?


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Re: Ménage dans dpkg

2010-09-19 Thread Goldy
J'ai le même problème, c'est bien que tu poses la question :p

Le 19/09/2010 16:54, Mourad Jaber a écrit :
  Bonjour,
 
 J'ai un warning récurent à chaque fois que je fait un upgrade :
 avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
 47830 paquet 'virtualbox-3.1':
  error in Version string '3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny': invalid character
 in revision number
 avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
 47852 paquet 'virtualbox-3.0':
  error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character
 in revision number
 avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
 49374 paquet 'virtualbox-2.2':
  error in Version string '2.2.4-47978_Debian_lenny': invalid character
 in revision number
 avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
 49442 paquet 'virtualbox-2.1':
  error in Version string '2.1.4-42893_Debian_lenny': invalid character
 in revision number
 
 J'ai pourtant supprimé les miroirs de virtualbox et fait un apt-get
 update, mais rien n'y fait !
 
 Comment forcer apt à reconstruire la base de donnée uniquement avec les
 versions présentes sur les mirroirs ?
 
 ++
 
 Mourad
 

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Re: Ménage dans dpkg

2010-09-19 Thread Mourad Jaber

 C'est juste cosmétique !

J'ai trouvé une solution pas vraiment élégante : virer le bloc incriminé dans le fichier 
/var/lib/dpkg/available !


ça marche, mais ça me parait plutôt dangereux, je préfèrerai une commande magique pour 
faire des vérifications !


++

Le 19/09/2010 17:15, Goldy a écrit :

J'ai le même problème, c'est bien que tu poses la question :p

Le 19/09/2010 16:54, Mourad Jaber a écrit :

  Bonjour,

J'ai un warning récurent à chaque fois que je fait un upgrade :
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
47830 paquet 'virtualbox-3.1':
  error in Version string '3.1.6-59338_Debian_lenny': invalid character
in revision number
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
47852 paquet 'virtualbox-3.0':
  error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character
in revision number
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
49374 paquet 'virtualbox-2.2':
  error in Version string '2.2.4-47978_Debian_lenny': invalid character
in revision number
avertissement, dans le fichier '/var/lib/dpkg/available' vers la ligne
49442 paquet 'virtualbox-2.1':
  error in Version string '2.1.4-42893_Debian_lenny': invalid character
in revision number

J'ai pourtant supprimé les miroirs de virtualbox et fait un apt-get
update, mais rien n'y fait !

Comment forcer apt à reconstruire la base de donnée uniquement avec les
versions présentes sur les mirroirs ?

++

Mourad



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Re: Quel outil pour transformer les coordonnées cartographiques ?

2010-09-19 Thread Bernard

Guy Roussin wrote:

voir ogr2ogr du paquet gdal-bin ...

Quelqu'un pourrait il me dire s'il existe sous Linux un outil permettant
de transformer les coordonnées cartographiques Lambert II + en degrés
décimaux de latitude et longitude ?



Merci pour cette réponse. Pas évident de savoir comment utiliser ogr2ogr 
pour ce genre de tâche. Apparemment cela ne peut se faire que par batch 
de données dans des fichiers, encore n'ai je trouvé de mentions que pour 
des conversions d'un système de projections à un autre, et non pas vers 
des coordonnées géodésiques (degrés de latitude et longitude). Je 
n'accède, de toutes façons, qu'à des bribes de doc ici et là, car la doc 
du paquet gdal est au format dox, que je n'ai pas encore trouvé 
comment lire...


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Re: Mldonkey-server ne démarre plus / mlnet démarre

2010-09-19 Thread Mouarf
Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 12:21:13, Aurelien a écrit :
 Salut,
salut
 Je me permets de relancer, n'ayant toujours trouvé ni le problème, ni
 une piste pour le résoudre.
 Si quelqu'un a un semblant d'idée pour m'orienter.
 
 Merci.
Jettes un oeil dans /etc/default/mldonkey-server tu as l'emplacement du 
dossier de mldonkey. Si tu n'a rien changé, le log devrait s'y trouver. Oui 
c'est bizzare mais chez moi c'est comme ça, y'a un mlnet.log dans le 
répertoire MLDONKEY_DIR indiqué dans /etc/default/mldonkey-server.
La mise a jour a peut etre/surement modifié le fichier. 
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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Daniel Huhardeaux

Le 19/09/2010 13:42, Thierry Chatelet a écrit :

[...] Je pense qu'il faut d'abord savoir si le touchpad est vu par
le noyau? Mais je ne sais pas comment faire.
   

sudo aptitude install tpconfig
sudo tpconfig -i

Il faut regarder également dans Xorg.log.0 s' il parle de synaptic et 
surtout si le module n' est pas en état unload dans ce log.


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Re: Mldonkey-server ne dém arre plus / mlnet démarre

2010-09-19 Thread Aurelien
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 06:40:03PM +0200, Mouarf wrote :
 Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 12:21:13, Aurelien a écrit :
  Salut,
 salut
  Je me permets de relancer, n'ayant toujours trouvé ni le problème, ni
  une piste pour le résoudre.
  Si quelqu'un a un semblant d'idée pour m'orienter.
  
  Merci.
 Jettes un oeil dans /etc/default/mldonkey-server tu as l'emplacement du 
 dossier de mldonkey. Si tu n'a rien changé, le log devrait s'y trouver. Oui 
 c'est bizzare mais chez moi c'est comme ça, y'a un mlnet.log dans le 
 répertoire MLDONKEY_DIR indiqué dans /etc/default/mldonkey-server.
 La mise a jour a peut etre/surement modifié le fichier. 

En effet, j'ai ce fichier là qui traîne également. Mais la dernière
ligne de log là-dedans date du 23/06/2009. Zob.

Et globalement, voilà ce que j'arrive à récupérer comme logs :
2010/09/19 21:01:09 [cO] Started logging...
2010/09/19 21:01:09 Setting option log_file
2010/09/19 21:01:09 [cO] Logging in .//var/log/mldonkey/mlnet.log
2010/09/19 21:01:09 [cO] Started logging...
2010/09/19 21:01:09 [dcCO] LETS reverse clients list NOW

Donc rien de vraiment inquiétant, sauf que derrière, il ne se passe
rien. Toujours pas de démon qui tourne, donc pas de fichier
/var/run/mldonkey/mlnet.pid et évidemment, la connexion html ne
fonctionne pas.
Bref, le serveur ne démarre pas.

Bon, j'ai évidemment l'option de réinstaller (je ne sais plus si je ne
l'ai pas déjà fait), mais :
1. ça n'est pas très satisfaisant en termes de recherche du problème et
de sa solution
2. j'ai plusieurs téléchargements assez importants qui étaient en cours
et qui ne sont pas terminés, et je voudrais être sûr de pouvoir les
redémarrer (je fais partie de la France de la fracture numérique, je
crois, avec -des fois- des descentes à 200ko/s -mais plutôt en dessous
en général-, loin de la borne, loin.).

Merci d'avance.
Aurélien


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Re: Perte du touchpad

2010-09-19 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Sunday 19 September 2010 18:51:42 Daniel Huhardeaux wrote:
 Le 19/09/2010 13:42, Thierry Chatelet a écrit :
  [...] Je pense qu'il faut d'abord savoir si le touchpad est vu par
  le noyau? Mais je ne sais pas comment faire.
 
 sudo aptitude install tpconfig
 sudo tpconfig -i
 
 Il faut regarder également dans Xorg.log.0 s' il parle de synaptic et
 surtout si le module n' est pas en état unload dans ce log.

Alors tpconfig -i:
 tpconfig -i
Found Synaptics Touchpad.
Firmware: 8.96 (multiple-byte mode).
Sensor type: unknown (0).
Geometry: rectangular/landscape/up.
Packets: absolute, 80 packets per second.
Corner taps disabled;   no tap gestures.
Edge motion: none.
Z threshold: 6 of 7.
2 button mode; corner tap is right button click.


et les logs:
Je pense que c'est un log quand ça marchait:
(II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 1.2.2
(**) Option Device /dev/input/event8
(II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5472
(II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 4448
(II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
(II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
(II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right middle
(--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
(**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (type: 
TOUCHPAD)
(**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
(**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 0
(**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
(**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
(--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
(II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad 
(/dev/input/mouse2)
(**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass touchpad catchall
(II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 1.2.2
SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad no synaptics event device found
(**) Option Device /dev/input/mouse2
Query no Synaptics: 6003C8
(--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: no supported touchpad found
(EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
(EE) PreInit failed for input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
(II) UnloadModule: synaptics

et un log quand ça marche plus:
(--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
(II) Power Button: Device reopened after 1 attempts.
(II) Video Bus: Device reopened after 1 attempts.
(II) Power Button: Device reopened after 1 attempts.
(II) Sleep Button: Device reopened after 1 attempts.

Thierry

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Re: Quel outil pour transformer les coordonnées cartographiques ?

2010-09-19 Thread Guy Roussin

Merci pour cette réponse. Pas évident de savoir comment utiliser ogr2ogr
pour ce genre de tâche. Apparemment cela ne peut se faire que par batch
de données dans des fichiers, encore n'ai je trouvé de mentions que pour
des conversions d'un système de projections à un autre, et non pas vers
des coordonnées géodésiques (degrés de latitude et longitude). Je
n'accède, de toutes façons, qu'à des bribes de doc ici et là, car la doc
du paquet gdal est au format dox, que je n'ai pas encore trouvé
comment lire...


Si tu n'as que quelques coordonnées à transformer, tu peux utiliser
le plugin geotools pour openoffice. Je viens de tester il marche
sur ma debian sid avec openoffice 3.2.1. Note qu'après l'install du
plugin, j'ai du redémarrer openoffice pour que ça fonctionne
correctement ...
http://www.espace.ird.nc/sicade/addin-openoffice/fr/install.html

Guy

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Re: Quel outil pour transformer les coordonnées cartographiques ?

2010-09-19 Thread François TOURDE
Le 14871ième jour après Epoch,
Bernard écrivait:

 Guy Roussin wrote:
 voir ogr2ogr du paquet gdal-bin ...
 Quelqu'un pourrait il me dire s'il existe sous Linux un outil permettant
 de transformer les coordonnées cartographiques Lambert II + en degrés
 décimaux de latitude et longitude ?


 Merci pour cette réponse. Pas évident de savoir comment utiliser
 ogr2ogr pour ce genre de tâche. Apparemment cela ne peut se faire que
 par batch de données dans des fichiers, encore n'ai je trouvé de
 mentions que pour des conversions d'un système de projections à un
 autre, et non pas vers des coordonnées géodésiques (degrés de latitude
 et longitude).

Il y a le logiciel (web) Mapserver, et l'ensemble des outils qui vont
avec, ainsi que proj, qui fait du traitement batch si mes souvenirs sont
bons.

 Je n'accède, de toutes façons, qu'à des bribes de doc
 ici et là, car la doc du paquet gdal est au format dox, que je n'ai
 pas encore trouvé comment lire...

Probablement avec Doxygen, un générateur de doc technique associé aux
sources (Java, C++, etc...)

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Re: Quel outil pour transformer les coordonnées cartographiques ?

2010-09-19 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sat, 18 Sep 2010 02:01:35 +0200
Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr a écrit:

 
 Bonjour à tous,
 
 Quelqu'un pourrait il me dire s'il existe sous Linux un outil permettant 
 de transformer les coordonnées cartographiques Lambert II + en degrés 
 décimaux de latitude et longitude ?
 

Le logiciel Circé de l'IGN
(http://geodesie.ign.fr/index.php?page=circe) fonctionne via Wine.
De même pour le logiciel Convers 2 (http://vtopo.free.fr/convers.htm).

Gaëtan

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Problemas con Servidor de Pantallas despues de Actua lización.

2010-09-19 Thread Goku.
Buenas tardes a todos:
Tengo un problema con el servidor de pantallas, al iniciar la maquina, hace
su proceso normal, pero al llegar a la pantalla azul de inicio, se regresa
al modo texto, y asi lo hace varias veces hasta que aparece este aviso:

El servidor de pantallas ha sido detenido unas 9 veces en los ultimos 90
segundos. Es probable que algo este fallando, se va a esperar durante 2
minutos antes de intentarlo otra vez en la pantalla :0. 

Este fallo vino despues de una actualización, pero unicamente recuerdo que
se actualizaría el Google Chrome, y una actualizacion pequeña del kernel,
porque pasaría de 2.6.26 a 2.6.27, habian ma cosas a actualizar pero solo
eso recuerdo.

Uso Debian Lenny, debo mencionar que mi HD, tiene sectores dañados, puede
ser de utilidad este dato.

Todo funcionaba muy bien, antes de dicha actualización.

Muchas gracias por su ayuda.


Re: Problemas con Servidor de Pantallas despues de Actualización.

2010-09-19 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El dom, 19-09-2010 a las 10:39 -0700, Goku. escribió:
 
 Buenas tardes a todos: 
 Tengo un problema con el servidor de pantallas, al iniciar la maquina,
 hace su proceso normal, pero al llegar a la pantalla azul de inicio,
 se regresa al modo texto, y asi lo hace varias veces hasta que aparece
 este aviso: 
 
 El servidor de pantallas ha sido detenido unas 9 veces en los ultimos
 90 segundos. Es probable que algo este fallando, se va a esperar
 durante 2 minutos antes de intentarlo otra vez en la pantalla :0.  
 
 Este fallo vino despues de una actualización, pero unicamente recuerdo
 que se actualizaría el Google Chrome, y una actualizacion pequeña del
 kernel, porque pasaría de 2.6.26 a 2.6.27, habian ma cosas a
 actualizar pero solo eso recuerdo. 
 
vas a tener que revisar en los log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log), las líneas que
te interesan empiezan con (WW) (de warning) y (EE) (de error)


 Uso Debian Lenny, debo mencionar que mi HD, tiene sectores dañados,
 puede ser de utilidad este dato. 
 
 Todo funcionaba muy bien, antes de dicha actualización. 
 





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2010-09-19 Thread raul
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Ayuda con Lenny Resolucion

2010-09-19 Thread rantis cares
Estimados Listeros:

Cambie mi debian etc por Lenny, pero me sale un mensaje cuando carga icewm
(mi gestor de ventanas) quise configurar xor.conf pero no se puede, despues
intente hacer otras cosas e instale nautilus y con nautilus SI PUEDO
CONFIGURAR la resolucion a mis necesidades.

Cuando me di cuenta que pude cambiar la resolucion, crei que los cambios se
reflejarian en xorg.conf, pero el archivo quedaba igual.

¿A donde se va la configuracion de la resolucion de Lenny? Porque en
xorg.conf no esta.

¿Como puedo configurarlo manualmente?.

Me imagino que existen otros archivos donde se guarda la configuracion de
xorg.conf

Agradezco sus comentarios.

Gracias.

P.D. Mi archivo xorg.conf es el siguiente
# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type man xorg.conf at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Generic Keyboard
Driver  kbd
Option  XkbRules  xorg
Option  XkbModel  pc105
Option  XkbLayout latam
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Configured Mouse
Driver  mouse
EndSection

Section Device
Identifier  Configured Video Device
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier  Configured Monitor
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier  Default Screen
Monitor Configured Monitor
EndSection


Re: Ayuda con Lenny Resolucion

2010-09-19 Thread Sergio

rantis cares escribió:

Estimados Listeros:

Cambie mi debian etc por Lenny, pero me sale un mensaje cuando carga 
icewm (mi gestor de ventanas) quise configurar xor.conf pero no se 
puede, despues intente hacer otras cosas e instale nautilus y con 
nautilus SI PUEDO CONFIGURAR la resolucion a mis necesidades.


Cuando me di cuenta que pude cambiar la resolucion, crei que los 
cambios se reflejarian en xorg.conf, pero el archivo quedaba igual.


¿A donde se va la configuracion de la resolucion de Lenny? Porque en 
xorg.conf no esta.


¿Como puedo configurarlo manualmente?.

Me imagino que existen otros archivos donde se guarda la configuracion 
de xorg.conf


Agradezco sus comentarios.

Gracias.

P.D. Mi archivo xorg.conf es el siguiente

El xorg.conf no cambia.

Me parece que te falta esta sección en tu xorg.conf

Section Screen
  Identifier Screen0
  Device Card0
  Monitor Monitor0
  DefaultColorDepth 24

  SubSection Display
  Depth 8
  Modes 1024x768 800x600
  EndSubSection
  SubSection Display
  Depth 15
  Modes 1024x768 800x600
  EndSubSection
  SubSection Display
  Depth 16
  Modes 1024x768 800x600
  EndSubSection
  SubSection Display
  Depth 24
  Modes 1024x768 800x600
  EndSubSection
  SubSection Display
  Depth 32
  Modes 1024x768 800x600
  EndSubSection

con eso forzás la resolución de pantalla.

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apache y mod rewriter

2010-09-19 Thread Carlos Ernesto Pruna



hola lista estoy montando una red social con dolphin booster pero tengo un 
problema ella m pincha ok pero cuando apunta a un usuario la dir es 
social.com/carlos y ahi por supuesto el apache m da q no existe, entonces 
investigando vi q lo q necesitaba era habilitar el modulo d apache mod_rewriter 
pero ya lo hice y no funciono no se si en los virtualhost tendre q hacer algo 
aunque puse una linea q creo decia  AllowRewrite All o algo por el estilo no 
estoy n mi pc como para chequearlo, y m dice q eso no esta permitido q m 
aconsejan ustedes o ponganme algun ejemplo q m pueda ayudar y gracias d 
antemano.




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Debian testing se me reinicia algunas veces

2010-09-19 Thread Edgar Vargas
Buen dia lista, el otro dia instale debian testing (squeeze/sid xfce) en mi
pc, todo estuvo muy bonito, bastante sw y mas actualizado, pero hubo un
problema, cuando estoy usando hay momentos donde la pantalla se me pone
negra, y me sale este emnsaje:
Fallo al iniciar el servidor x (su interfaz grafica), parece como si no
estuviera configurado correctamente, ¿quiere ver la salida del servidor x?
para diagnosticar, luego le digo q si y me muestra la info del servidor:
x.orgx server 1.7.7
release date..., etc.
.
.
.

El servidor x ahora esta desactivado reinice GDM (/etc/init.d/gdm?, eso debo
hacer?)cuando este configurado correctamente, luego entre en modo terminal
con ctrl+alt+f2, trate de ver en la ruta, var/log/xorg.0.log y vi algo asi:
fatal error: tassubmit batchoffer, imput/out put error, no entiendo muy bien
no anote bien, pero esa es la idea a groso modo lo q me paso, lo q hice fue
reiniciar con un reboot, y todo parece q estuviera normal, me carga la
interfaz grafica, pero luego otro dia estuve navegando y otra vez se me puso
pantalla negra y el mismo mensaje, :(, me podrian ayudar a enteder q me
quiere decir el error, gracias y saludos a todos
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Wireless

2010-09-19 Thread Ronaldo Reis Junior

Pessoal,

tenho a seguinte placa wifi:

10:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvA 
Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)

Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 1467
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
I/O ports at 6000 [size=256]
Memory at e800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [70] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 88-55-22-fe-ff-4c-e0-00
Kernel driver in use: rtl819xSE

Não sei porque, mas parece que meu roteador wifi trava direto quando me 
conecto com esta placa.


O aparelho é um Dlink 524

Alguem sabe se tem alguma conexao, pelo fato desta placa nova ser n-draft?

Valeu
INte
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Fazer efeitos do KDE funcionar

2010-09-19 Thread Ronaldo Reis Junior

Pessoal,

minha placa de vídeo é:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 
GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) (prog-if 00 [VGA 
controller])

Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 308a
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 30
Memory at e840 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M]
Memory at d000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
I/O ports at 7000 [size=8]
Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled]
Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 3
Kernel driver in use: i915

Quando entro como root os efeitos 3D de desktop do kDE funcionam, mas 
como usuário comum não. Obviamente é algo de permissão, já tentei me 
colocar em alguns grupos, mas nao funcionou. Alguem sabe a qual grupo 
devo pertencer ou se existe outra forma de me dar permissão?


Aproveitando, como configuro para o terminal funcionar com o teclado ABNT2?

Valeu
Inte
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Re: Fazer efeitos do KDE funcionar

2010-09-19 Thread Ronaldo Reis Junior

Oi,

o drive é o i915 que no X11 é intel

Driver  intel

Inte

Em 19-09-2010 21:31, José Figueiredo escreveu:

opa

to usando a mesma placa que vc em um compaq 510 - mas não consigo 
acertar o driver no kernel 2.6.35.3 -


qual versão vc esta usando ?



Seja Livre, use GNU/Linux. Use Debian !!!

Não seja burro - se b3b3r não dirija ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mf8DtWWd8

Antes de autorizar um aborto, pense que poderia ser vc lá dentro, 
esperando alguém decidir se vc morre ou não.

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Re: Blu-ray status in Linux

2010-09-19 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Mark Allums m...@allums.com schrieb:

 AACS is broken, but few discs are protected using it.  All recent discs 
 ad BD+, AFAIK.  Decrypting BD+ works when you have a key, but every time 
 a BD+ key becomes known, they just switch to a new key.  It's a losing 
 game.

Perhaps we should start a massive distributed project,
like bdcr...@home ? ;-o
 

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Re: May I have a document about manually preparing a Debian system?

2010-09-19 Thread Magicloud Magiclouds
Customing d-i is so hard. Many things confused me on the documents.
Cannot I just start with debootstrap?

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
 On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:31:21 -0400 (EDT), Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
 On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT), Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:

 May I have a document about manually preparing a Debian system?

 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

   or

 http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual

 I am not quite sure. Is this the document for debian-installer?

 Yes, it is.

 How if
 I do not want to use a special install disk? Or you mean I have to
 make an install disk myself?

 There are a number of different installation methods available.  They
 are described in the installation instructions.  Use the one that
 suits you best.  What I usually do is take the netboot mini.iso
 image and burn it to a CD-R.  Then I boot from the CD.  But there are
 other alternatives.  For example, you can make a bootable USB stick,
 commonly called a thumb drive, and boot from it.  There are other
 installation methods that allow the installer to be started from a
 pre-existing Unix or Linux system, or from a Windows system.  Years
 ago, you could also create a bootable floppy disk and boot from a
 floppy.  But that installation method is no longer supported.  Etch
 is the last release that supported boot floppy installation.  In
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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:50:05 John Lindsay wrote:
 Here is my 'fstab'

  # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
  #
  # file system mount point   type  options       dump  pass
  proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
  /dev/hda1       /               ext3    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[snip
  /dev/sda1    /        ntfs    defaults,errors=remount-ro    0    1

I don't know whther it is at all relevant, but your fstab appears to be trying 
to mount two different drives on the same mount point (/).

Lisi



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Re: [solved] Re: rsync issue

2010-09-19 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com writes:

 In rsync manual I coudn't find a solution to what I want.  I wish to copy
 all my home directory into another machine with the --delete option, but:

 1) I dont't want hidden files, i.e.: `.*' to be copied;

 2) on the other hand, there are some symlinks, beginning with `.', that I
want to be copied.

 The --exclude option won't help.

 From my home directory, if I do:

  $ rsync -vrtul --delete * 192.168.0.2:/home/rodolfo

 , hidden files that are in `~/' are not copied at all nor the --delete
 option applies to files that are in `~/', so it's not good; from /home, if
 I do:

  $ rsync -vrtul --delete rodolfo 192.168.0.2:/home

 , everything is copied, also system hidden directories and files, which I
 don't want.


 I mean, I want hidden files to be copied, except than
 those in `~/': of those, i.e. of the hidden files in `~/', I just want the
 symlinks to be copied.


I think it's better to create the symlinks by hand, as they can be different
when going from a system to another.  Then the following is good for me:

 $ cd
 $ rsync -vrtul --delete --exclude='.*' . 192.168.0.2:/home/rodolfo

The main issue here is that I had to replace `*' with `.' as the list of files
to be transferred.

Thanks for anyone's help.
Rodolfo


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Strange `No space left' on usb pendrive

2010-09-19 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Hi all.

When I try to copy more than 40MB onto an empty new 2GB usb pendrive, I get an
inexplicable `No space left on device' error message:


`11022008699.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008699.jpg'
`11022008700.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg'
cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg': No 
space left on device
`11022008701.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg'
cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg': No 
space left on device


The command df seems to show that everything is all right:

$ df -lh
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda6  11G  9.2G  912M  92% /
tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /lib/init/rw
udev   10M   80K   10M   1% /dev
tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1 7.8G  7.3G  541M  94% /mnt/hda1
/dev/hda7 4.9G  1.9G  2.7G  42% /mnt/hda7
/dev/hda8 4.9G  3.4G  1.3G  74% /mnt/hda8
/dev/hda9 7.9G  2.7G  4.9G  36% /mnt/hda9
/dev/sda1 1.9G   40M  1.9G   3% /mnt/pendrive-carolina2


and so parted:

# parted /dev/sda1
GNU Parted 1.7.1
Using /dev/sda1
Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
(parted) p

Disk /dev/sda1: 2004MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop

Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Flags
 1  0.00kB  2004MB  2004MB  fat16


Please help understand what the problem may be.  Should I format the device?

Thanks for any help
Rodolfo


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Re: Strange `No space left' on usb pendrive

2010-09-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-09-19 10:26 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

 When I try to copy more than 40MB onto an empty new 2GB usb pendrive, I get an
 inexplicable `No space left on device' error message:


 `11022008699.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008699.jpg'
 `11022008700.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg': No 
 space left on device
 `11022008701.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg': No 
 space left on device


 The command df seems to show that everything is all right:

 $ df -lh
 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda6  11G  9.2G  912M  92% /
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /lib/init/rw
 udev   10M   80K   10M   1% /dev
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /dev/shm
 /dev/hda1 7.8G  7.3G  541M  94% /mnt/hda1
 /dev/hda7 4.9G  1.9G  2.7G  42% /mnt/hda7
 /dev/hda8 4.9G  3.4G  1.3G  74% /mnt/hda8
 /dev/hda9 7.9G  2.7G  4.9G  36% /mnt/hda9
 /dev/sda1 1.9G   40M  1.9G   3% /mnt/pendrive-carolina2


 and so parted:

 # parted /dev/sda1
 GNU Parted 1.7.1
 Using /dev/sda1
 Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
 (parted) p

 Disk /dev/sda1: 2004MB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: loop

 Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Flags
  1  0.00kB  2004MB  2004MB  fat16


 Please help understand what the problem may be.  Should I format the device?

Not necessarily (unless you want a better filesystem), but you should
create some subdirectories and move files there.  FAT16 has a rather low
limit of directory entries for the root directory¹, and you're hitting
that.

Switching to FAT32 will avoid that and also waste less disk space, since
the cluster size gets reduced to 4 KiB from 32 KiB with FAT16.

Sven


¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat16#Final_FAT16


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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread John Lindsay

Lisi wrote:

On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:50:05 John Lindsay wrote:
  

Here is my 'fstab'



# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# file system mount point   type  options   dump  pass
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda1   /   ext3errors=remount-ro 0   1
  

[snip
  

/dev/sda1/ntfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro01
  


I don't know whther it is at all relevant, but your fstab appears to be trying 
to mount two different drives on the same mount point (/).


Lisi



  

Hi Lisi

I saw that but don't know what to make of it. Here is the result of 'df 
-lh'.



FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1  71G   58G  9.8G  86% /
tmpfs 760M 0  760M   0% /lib/init/rw
udev   10M  800K  9.3M   8% /dev
tmpfs 760M 0  760M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hdb  113G   82G   26G  77% /new-disk
/dev/sdb1 7.5G  3.4G  4.2G  46% /media/KINGSTON
/dev/sda1 1.9T  123M  1.9T   1% /mnt
Where the first 'dev/sda1' comes from is unknown to me. I formatted the 
drive on my Debian system using Partition Editor and it showed only a 
1.82TB size partition. Deleting the partition did not show an increase 
or that seemingly extra drive which does not physically exist. As the 
USER I believe I can edit the 'fstab' so I'll delete that line and see 
what happens. If the USER can't do it then I'll do it as ROOT.


John


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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread John Lindsay

Lisi wrote:

On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:50:05 John Lindsay wrote:
  

Here is my 'fstab'



# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# file system mount point   type  options   dump  pass
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda1   /   ext3errors=remount-ro 0   1
  

[snip
  

/dev/sda1/ntfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro01
  


I don't know whther it is at all relevant, but your fstab appears to be trying 
to mount two different drives on the same mount point (/).


Lisi



  
Actually it is the 'mtab' that shows the two  '/dev/sda1'  entries. I'll 
try editing it and see what damage I can do!!!



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Re: Strange `No space left' on usb pendrive

2010-09-19 Thread Erwan David
Le Sun 19/09/2010, Rodolfo Medina disait
 Hi all.
 
 When I try to copy more than 40MB onto an empty new 2GB usb pendrive, I get an
 inexplicable `No space left on device' error message:
 
 
 `11022008699.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008699.jpg'
 `11022008700.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg': No 
 space left on device
 `11022008701.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg': No 
 space left on device
 
 
 The command df seems to show that everything is all right:
 
 $ df -lh
 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda6  11G  9.2G  912M  92% /
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /lib/init/rw
 udev   10M   80K   10M   1% /dev
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /dev/shm
 /dev/hda1 7.8G  7.3G  541M  94% /mnt/hda1
 /dev/hda7 4.9G  1.9G  2.7G  42% /mnt/hda7
 /dev/hda8 4.9G  3.4G  1.3G  74% /mnt/hda8
 /dev/hda9 7.9G  2.7G  4.9G  36% /mnt/hda9
 /dev/sda1 1.9G   40M  1.9G   3% /mnt/pendrive-carolina2
 

What does df -i say ?
You might be out of inodes (depends on the filesystem of the key)
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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread John Lindsay

John Lindsay wrote:

Lisi wrote:



I don't know whther it is at all relevant, but your fstab appears to 
be trying to mount two different drives on the same mount point (/).


Lisi



  
Actually it is the 'mtab' that shows the two  '/dev/sda1'  entries. 
I'll try editing it and see what damage I can do!!!



Well, I edited 'mtab' as root and deleted the first instance of 
'/dev/sda1'. I then rebooted and here is my 'mtab' without doing a 
physical 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' (something I do not have to do with the 
Kingston USB drive). Also, 'fstab' shows a mount point of '/' the same 
as my hda1. Does that make any difference? Still haven't found out how 
to make a volume label without reformatting and re-partitioning.


Thanks everyone for being very helpfully with this old codger!!


John


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Re: Does the HDCP crack have any implications for Debian?

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
 On 19/09/10 06:04, Mark Allums wrote:
 On 9/18/2010 4:55 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I'm very
 happy with the performance I get by simply copying the bluerays I buy to
 hard drive, and I prefer keep my media on hdd.


 This bears some explanation.  Are you watching stuff from Blu-Ray on a
 Debian machine?  How?  What is the process?


PAU supported video, blu-ray player, makemkv, vlc, google ;-p

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Re: Strange `No space left' on usb pendrive

2010-09-19 Thread Rodolfo Medina
On 2010-09-19 10:26 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

 When I try to copy more than 40MB onto an empty new 2GB usb pendrive, I get an
 inexplicable `No space left on device' error message:


 `11022008699.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008699.jpg'
 `11022008700.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg': No 
 space left on device
 `11022008701.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg': No 
 space left on device


 The command df seems to show that everything is all right:

 $ df -lh
 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda6  11G  9.2G  912M  92% /
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /lib/init/rw
 udev   10M   80K   10M   1% /dev
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /dev/shm
 /dev/hda1 7.8G  7.3G  541M  94% /mnt/hda1
 /dev/hda7 4.9G  1.9G  2.7G  42% /mnt/hda7
 /dev/hda8 4.9G  3.4G  1.3G  74% /mnt/hda8
 /dev/hda9 7.9G  2.7G  4.9G  36% /mnt/hda9
 /dev/sda1 1.9G   40M  1.9G   3% /mnt/pendrive-carolina2


 and so parted:

 # parted /dev/sda1
 GNU Parted 1.7.1
 Using /dev/sda1
 Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
 (parted) p

 Disk /dev/sda1: 2004MB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: loop

 Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Flags
  1  0.00kB  2004MB  2004MB  fat16


 Please help understand what the problem may be.  Should I format the device?


Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org writes:

 What does df -i say ?
 You might be out of inodes (depends on the filesystem of the key)


Effectively, df -i produces a suspect output:

$ df -i
FilesystemInodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/hda61409024  147438 1261586   11% /
tmpfs  28039   2   280371% /lib/init/rw
udev   28039 512   275272% /dev
tmpfs  28039   1   280381% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1  0   0   0-  /mnt/hda1
/dev/hda7 64  14  6399861% /mnt/hda7
/dev/hda8 64   51785  5882159% /mnt/hda8
/dev/hda9 525200   54395  470805   11% /mnt/hda9
/dev/sda1  0   0   0-  /mnt/pendrive-carolina2


What then?

Thanks
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Re: What tool would convert map coordinates ?

2010-09-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr writes:
 I need to convert map coordinates from Lambert II + to decimal
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I use the proj command for my coordinate conversions. I have no idea
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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:50:05 -0400, John Lindsay wrote:

 I am still trying to get this USB drive to show up as an icon on the
 desktop and to show up under the toolbar 'Places' like my 8GB USB memory
 stick and my /new-disk hdb  (115GB internal drive). 

Then try by removing (or just #comment) the corresponding line under /
etc/fstab and let the automounter do it its way.

As for the second point, you'll have to explain better (what you did and 
what it happened).

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Re: Strange `No space left' on usb pendrive

2010-09-19 Thread Frank
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:15:06 +0200
Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2010-09-19 10:26 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
 
  When I try to copy more than 40MB onto an empty new 2GB usb pendrive, I get 
  an
  inexplicable `No space left on device' error message:
 
 
  `11022008699.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008699.jpg'
  `11022008700.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg'
  cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg': 
  No space left on device
  `11022008701.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg'
  cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg': 
  No space left on device
 
 
 
 Effectively, df -i produces a suspect output:
 
 $ df -i
 FilesystemInodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
 /dev/hda61409024  147438 1261586   11% /
 tmpfs  28039   2   280371% /lib/init/rw
 udev   28039 512   275272% /dev
 tmpfs  28039   1   280381% /dev/shm
 /dev/hda1  0   0   0-  /mnt/hda1
 /dev/hda7 64  14  6399861% /mnt/hda7
 /dev/hda8 64   51785  5882159% /mnt/hda8
 /dev/hda9 525200   54395  470805   11% /mnt/hda9
 /dev/sda1  0   0   0-  /mnt/pendrive-carolina2
 
 
 What then?



  Listen to what Sven Joachim is saying. The problem arises because
of FAT formatting. You can only put a certain number of files
(128??) in the root. Create a sub-directory and put your files in
there. Problem solved.


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I got you. was: My lenny picks the wrong resolution whereas squeeze is right

2010-09-19 Thread T o n g
Hi Stephen, 

This is to confirm that I've read your message thoroughly and take it 
seriously. However, I can only get back to you in a day or two.

Thanks

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:49:32 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:

 OK, I have looked at your files.


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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
 On 19/09/10 23:41, T o n g wrote:
 Hi,

 It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people started 
 to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that people 
 sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?

 Thanks

OOo. (and send a bitmap screenshot of the converted document back to the
sender).

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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:41:40 +, T o n g wrote:

 It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people
 started to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that
 people sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?

OpenOffice 3.x (Go-oo) can handle most of them (.docx/.xlsx).

What OOo version do you have?

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RE: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Mike Viau

 On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:02:27 + noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:41:40 +, T o n g wrote:

 It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people
 started to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that
 people sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?

 OpenOffice 3.x (Go-oo) can handle most of them (.docx/.xlsx).

I agree with that. Additionally, I've found more formatting issue with office 
2010 files then I have with 2007, but some issues do exist with both Microsoft 
office suites in OpenOffice.


 What OOo version do you have?


  

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Re: RS232-to-USB adapter with dial-up modem

2010-09-19 Thread hugo vanwoerkom

S D wrote:

Hi,

I have a RS-232 external dial-up modem that I use from time to time. It works 
fine when connected through a RS-232 port. I'd like to use the modem with 
another PC that doesn't have a RS-232 port, so I bought a RS-232 to USB adapter 
cable. It's a simple inexpensive cable that doesn't seem to have any 
chips/processors in it.

Now, when I connect the modem through a USB port I can't get the modem to work. 
It doesn't even attempt to dial the number:



snip


Any ideas? Thanks




Have you tried a serial card?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815166003

Hugo


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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Rob Owens
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 02:02:27PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:41:40 +, T o n g wrote:
 
  It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people
  started to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that
  people sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?
 
 OpenOffice 3.x (Go-oo) can handle most of them (.docx/.xlsx).
 
And if you're running Lenny, you can get this version in the
backports.debiang.org repository.

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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 19 September 2010 11:23:20 John Lindsay wrote:
 Here is the result of 'df
 -lh'.

  Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/sda1              71G   58G  9.8G  86% /
[snip]
  /dev/sda1             1.9T  123M  1.9T   1% /mnt

Curiouser and curiouser

Now we have one partition on two mount points. 

Out of interest (I am no expert, so use with all possible health warnings) try 
mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt in your fstab, ratherthan on /.  If that works, 
you can create a mount point for /dev/sda1 and use that in your fstab, 
freeing /mnt for more general use.

One usually has to edit /etc/fstab as root.

The fact that the filesystem is ntfs may have a bearing.  I know nothing about 
ntfs since I have never used it.

HTH
Lisi



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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 19 September 2010 11:29:44 John Lindsay wrote:
 Lisi wrote:
  On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:50:05 John Lindsay wrote:
  Here is my 'fstab'
 
  # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
  #
  # file system mount point   type  options   dump  pass
  proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
  /dev/hda1   /   ext3errors=remount-ro 0   1
 
  [snip
 
  /dev/sda1/ntfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro01
 
  I don't know whther it is at all relevant, but your fstab appears to be
  trying to mount two different drives on the same mount point (/).
 
  Lisi

 Actually it is the 'mtab' that shows the two  '/dev/sda1'  entries. I'll
 try editing it and see what damage I can do!!!

Yes - but the point I made is that in /etc/fstab you have two 
*partitions*  /dev/hda1 and /dev/sda1 BOTH trying to mont on one mount 
point, /.  If you look again at my email you will see that that is what I 
said.

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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 19 September 2010 15:19:16 Rob Owens wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 02:02:27PM +, Camaleón wrote:
  On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:41:40 +, T o n g wrote:
   It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people
   started to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files
   that people sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?
 
  OpenOffice 3.x (Go-oo) can handle most of them (.docx/.xlsx).

 And if you're running Lenny, you can get this version in the
 backports.debiang.org repository.
 No need.  The version of OOo in Lenny, 2.4.1, (which is really, of course, 
the oxygen version), can read docx files.

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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:51:26 +0100, Lisi wrote:

 On Sunday 19 September 2010 15:19:16 Rob Owens wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 02:02:27PM +, Camaleón wrote:
  OpenOffice 3.x (Go-oo) can handle most of them (.docx/.xlsx).

 And if you're running Lenny, you can get this version in the
 backports.debiang.org repository.
  No need.  The version of OOo in Lenny, 2.4.1, (which is really, of
  course,
 the oxygen version), can read docx files.

The higher OOo version, the better compatibility for opening those files.

I've encountered many .docx files that cannot be opened with my stock 
OOo writer (using lenny here).

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[solved] Re: Strange `No space left' on usb pendrive

2010-09-19 Thread Rodolfo Medina
On 2010-09-19 10:26 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

 When I try to copy more than 40MB onto an empty new 2GB usb pendrive, I get
 an inexplicable `No space left on device' error message:


 `11022008699.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008699.jpg'
 `11022008700.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008700.jpg': No 
 space left on device
 `11022008701.jpg' - `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg'
 cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/pendrive-carolina2/11022008701.jpg': No 
 space left on device


 The command df seems to show that everything is all right:

 $ df -lh
 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hda6  11G  9.2G  912M  92% /
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /lib/init/rw
 udev   10M   80K   10M   1% /dev
 tmpfs 110M 0  110M   0% /dev/shm
 /dev/hda1 7.8G  7.3G  541M  94% /mnt/hda1
 /dev/hda7 4.9G  1.9G  2.7G  42% /mnt/hda7
 /dev/hda8 4.9G  3.4G  1.3G  74% /mnt/hda8
 /dev/hda9 7.9G  2.7G  4.9G  36% /mnt/hda9
 /dev/sda1 1.9G   40M  1.9G   3% /mnt/pendrive-carolina2


 and so parted:

 # parted /dev/sda1
 GNU Parted 1.7.1
 Using /dev/sda1
 Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
 (parted) p

 Disk /dev/sda1: 2004MB
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
 Partition Table: loop

 Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Flags
  1  0.00kB  2004MB  2004MB  fat16


 Please help understand what the problem may be.  Should I format the device?



Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes:

 Not necessarily (unless you want a better filesystem), but you should
 create some subdirectories and move files there.  FAT16 has a rather low
 limit of directory entries for the root directory¹, and you're hitting
 that.

 Switching to FAT32 will avoid that and also waste less disk space, since
 the cluster size gets reduced to 4 KiB from 32 KiB with FAT16.


Thanks.  I switched to fat32: within parted, I did: `mkpartfs primary fat32'.
Now the problem seems to be solved.

Rodolfo


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Re: rsync issue

2010-09-19 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com writes:

 [...] the following is good for me:

  $ cd
  $ rsync -vrtul --delete --exclude='.*' . 192.168.0.2:/home/rodolfo


Sorry, it's still bad for me.  I want to copy everything but top level hidden
files, i.e. hidden files from my home directory.  The above command excludes
all hidden files from anywhere.  How can I achieve what I want?  I tried with:

 --exclude='./.*'

but it doesn't work either, because it includes hidden files from `~/'.

Thanks for any help
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Re: Iomega 2TB USB drive

2010-09-19 Thread John Lindsay

Lisi wrote:

On Sunday 19 September 2010 11:29:44 John Lindsay wrote:
  

Lisi wrote:


On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:50:05 John Lindsay wrote:
  

Here is my 'fstab'



# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# file system mount point   type  options   dump  pass
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda1   /   ext3errors=remount-ro 0   1
  

[snip

  

/dev/sda1/ntfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro01
  

I don't know whther it is at all relevant, but your fstab appears to be
trying to mount two different drives on the same mount point (/).

Lisi
  

Actually it is the 'mtab' that shows the two  '/dev/sda1'  entries. I'll
try editing it and see what damage I can do!!!



Yes - but the point I made is that in /etc/fstab you have two 
*partitions*  /dev/hda1 and /dev/sda1 BOTH trying to mont on one mount 
point, /.  If you look again at my email you will see that that is what I 
said.


Lisi


  
Sorry Lisi I mis-read your email -- after re-reading your original reply 
I took a second and third look before it finally soaked into this thick 
head what you were saying -- I'll look into that when I return later 
today --



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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 19. 09. 2010 15:41:40 je T o n g napisal(a):

Hi,

It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people  
started
to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that  
people

sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?

Thanks



You could kindly notify them that, while you have the latest softwares  
installed on your office computer, you don't have them installed on  
your laptop/netbook, and can't install them on your smartphone. Given  
that you're, say, a freelancer who's a lot on the road, it would enable  
you to get back to them sooner (hours, days, and sometimes weeks  
sooner) if they could kindly send you more universal document  
formats. You could even hint that, according to certain Internet  
reports, some of the newest formats are still quite buggy, or support  
certain features in a less than satisfying measure, or even have  
unresolved vulnerabilities.


Several good points in case may be found in:
http://www.fsf.org/news/why-im-rejecting-your-email-attachment
and, of course, in:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 19 September 2010 16:00:04 Camaleón wrote:
 I've encountered many .docx files that cannot be opened with my stock
 OOo writer (using lenny here).

I've obviously been lucky!

Lisi


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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 16:51, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
  No need.  The version of OOo in Lenny, 2.4.1, (which is really, of course,
 the oxygen version), can read docx files.


OOo 3.0 was much better than 2.x for reading .docx files, and OOo 3.1
was even better. Google For OOo Ninja's articles on the matter.

By the way, although 3.2 did not add much for MSO interoperability, it
is _much_ faster than previous versions.


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how to use wireless without network-manager or wicd

2010-09-19 Thread hugo vanwoerkom

Hi,

I run a laptop with lenny and debian kernel 2.6.32 that runs wireless.

I connected to the laptop via USB a disk that contains a partition that 
also has debian kernel 2.6.32 but sid and that doesn't have network 
manager or wicd installed.


How would I get wireless going without them on that USB disk?

The laptop wireless module b43 gets loaded when I boot from the uSB disk.

/etc/network/interfaces has:

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

Hugo


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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 17:00, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've encountered many .docx files that cannot be opened with my stock
 OOo writer (using lenny here).


Camaleón and others, please send to me (in private mail) MSO files
that do not display well in Open Office. I will file bugs on the
matter and get them fixed. We really need more real-world documents!

Please try to remove all sensitive information from the documents
because they will likely be uploaded to a public bugtracker. If that
is impossible, then make sure to make that clear in the email, so that
I won't upload them.

Thanks!


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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Eric Viseur
Must agree with Dotan.
OOo 3.2 was a big step forward to a really efficient MSOffice alternative
and should really be used instead of older versions when possible.

2010/9/19 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com

 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 16:51, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
   No need.  The version of OOo in Lenny, 2.4.1, (which is really, of
 course,
  the oxygen version), can read docx files.
 

 OOo 3.0 was much better than 2.x for reading .docx files, and OOo 3.1
 was even better. Google For OOo Ninja's articles on the matter.

 By the way, although 3.2 did not add much for MSO interoperability, it
 is _much_ faster than previous versions.


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Re: how to use wireless without network-manager or wicd

2010-09-19 Thread Eric Viseur
http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
This will give you a good starting point.  Past the wicd instructions you'll
see how to configure a wireless card from /etc/network/interfaces.  It's
basically the same as a wired card plus some extra parameters for the
wireless protection.

2010/9/19 hugo vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com

 Hi,

 I run a laptop with lenny and debian kernel 2.6.32 that runs wireless.

 I connected to the laptop via USB a disk that contains a partition that
 also has debian kernel 2.6.32 but sid and that doesn't have network manager
 or wicd installed.

 How would I get wireless going without them on that USB disk?

 The laptop wireless module b43 gets loaded when I boot from the uSB disk.

 /etc/network/interfaces has:

 # The loopback network interface
 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback

 # The primary network interface
 allow-hotplug eth0
 iface eth0 inet dhcp

 Hugo


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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread Greg Madden


On Sunday 19 September 2010 07:52:09 Klistvud wrote:
 Dne, 19. 09. 2010 15:41:40 je T o n g napisal(a):
  Hi,
 
  It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people
  started
  to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that
  people
  sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?
 

The best FOSS solution you can use  is OpenOffice. Google docs might be 
helpfull.
pdf works everywhere.

snip

 Several good points in case may be found in:
 http://www.fsf.org/news/why-im-rejecting-your-email-attachment
 and, of course, in:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
  Thanks


+1  

Also on why MS ooxml (docx?) iso standard isn't working.

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Architects_on_OOXML



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Re: Viewing Office 2007 files

2010-09-19 Thread T o n g
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:17:19 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:

  It's so annoying that Ms changes its file format again and people
  started
  to jumping ships. I can't view any of the Office 2007 files that
  people
  sent me. What's your solution to it (word and excel)?
 
 
 The best FOSS solution you can use  is OpenOffice. Google docs might be
 helpfull. pdf works everywhere.

Thanks everyone for the responds. 

OK, OOo is a no brainier. I meant, none of those smaller, command line 
tools like wv, catdoc, xlhtml etc works any more, in regarding of Office 
2007, right? Any command line, text tools that survives?

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Re: how to use wireless without network-manager or wicd

2010-09-19 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 19. 09. 2010 19:04:41 je hugo vanwoerkom napisal(a):

Hi,

I run a laptop with lenny and debian kernel 2.6.32 that runs wireless.

I connected to the laptop via USB a disk that contains a partition  
that also has debian kernel 2.6.32 but sid and that doesn't have  
network manager or wicd installed.


How would I get wireless going without them on that USB disk?

The laptop wireless module b43 gets loaded when I boot from the uSB  
disk.


/etc/network/interfaces has:

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

Hugo


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I'd add something like:

code
auto eth1
iface eth1 inet static
address 192.168.2.111
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.2.1
wireless-essid My_Home_Network
edoc


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Re: Proposed Fluxbox style for Debian

2010-09-19 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Dale quail.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have done some more work and now have 2 styles going so people can
 choose either the light or the dark. All can be found on the wiki[1]
 at the the usual place.

 Comments and/or suggestions more than welcome :-)

 Regards
 Dale

 [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Debian_LibStick

 ...

Nice...  Are they going to replace Debian-blue and Debian-dark
which come with unstable, and I believe sqeeze as well?  I think when
one doesn't specify a style, the one chosen by default on debian
unstable (perhaps sqeeze as well) is Debian-dark, which is also nice
BTW...

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ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC.  I basically 
took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get 
gnome's display correct.


I still have several problems, which may be related.  The easiest one to 
find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command.  This 
occurs whether I run as a user or root.


I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. 
Does anyone have any ideas?


I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :)

TIA.

Jerry


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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
 I still have several problems, which may be related.  The easiest one
 to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command.
 This occurs whether I run as a user or root.

So gnome starts but ps fails? Very odd. Please

1) apt-get install debsums
2) debsums

to see if any files are corrupted.


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RE: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Mike Viau

 On Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:15:42 -0400 jstuc...@attglobal.net

 This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically
 took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get
 gnome's display correct.

 I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to
 find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This
 occurs whether I run as a user or root.

 I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar.
 Does anyone have any ideas?

 I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :)


Have you tried any other Linux environments through your Virtual PC?

Or maybe even tried Virtual Box or VMware on Windows 7 to run Linux?

I have had sucess with both, but I never tried Microsoft's Virtual PC.


-M
  

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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Allums

On 9/19/2010 7:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC.  I basically
took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get
gnome's display correct.

I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to
find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This
occurs whether I run as a user or root.

I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar.
Does anyone have any ideas?

I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :)






Your problem is probably Virtual PC.  Try Virtualbox (free) or VMware 
server (free) or VMware Desktop (paid and kind of expensive but much 
more usable for newbies than server).


I have some Virtualbox installations, and Debian---both 32-bit and 
64-bit---runs great on it.






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Re: Proposed Fluxbox style for Debian

2010-09-19 Thread Dale
On 20 September 2010 06:50, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Dale quail.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have done some more work and now have 2 styles going so people can
 choose either the light or the dark. All can be found on the wiki[1]
 at the the usual place.

 Comments and/or suggestions more than welcome :-)

 Regards
 Dale

 [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Debian_LibStick

 ...

 Nice...  Are they going to replace Debian-blue and Debian-dark
 which come with unstable, and I believe sqeeze as well?  I think when
 one doesn't specify a style, the one chosen by default on debian
 unstable (perhaps sqeeze as well) is Debian-dark, which is also nice
 BTW...

 --
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Hi Javier  All,

Thanks, I hoping they both make it into the Debian Fluxbox and one of
them to become the default style for Fluxbox (fingers and toes
crossed, hehe) when a a style is not chosen. Most this work started
cause of the style 'debian_squeeze_dark', which I found rather
glitchy.

Anyways I hope people are enjoying the styles. as usual any comments
or suggests feel free to contact me :-)

Regards
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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 9/19/2010 8:23 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

Jerry Stucklejstuc...@attglobal.net  writes:

I still have several problems, which may be related.  The easiest one
to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command.
This occurs whether I run as a user or root.


So gnome starts but ps fails? Very odd. Please

1) apt-get install debsums
2) debsums

to see if any files are corrupted.




Hi, Timo, and thanks for responding.  Yes, gnome starts, although 
occasionally I get


debsums by itself found a LOT of good files, so I ran it with -s.  The 
only mismatch it found was on


/usr/lib/openoffice/share/config/javasettingsunopkginstall.xml.

That shouldn't be a problem.

Rerunning with -a -s added a mismatch for

/etc/console-tools/config

But I don't think that should be a problem, either.

Further testing indicates when I boot into the single user mode, ps 
works fine.  Also, during normal boot I found an Illegal Instruction 
message for sysctl - which fails from a command line on normal boot 
also, but works in single user mode.


And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's 
not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes 
with Windows 7 doesn't work.


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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Allums

On 9/19/2010 8:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:


And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's
not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes
with Windows 7 doesn't work.


It doesn't work because it doesn't work.

Microsoft doesn't care if any OS besides a Microsoft-produced one works. 
 That's what Virtual PC is for, to run MS OSes.


I have tried it.  It is unstable with the distributions of Linux I 
tried.  Debian 4,5, Ubuntu 5,6,8, Mandriva, SuSE.  SuSE worked best. 
Virtual PC 2004 and 2007 worked better than Windows 7.


Good luck.


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Re: Proposed Fluxbox style for Debian

2010-09-19 Thread Phil Requirements
On 2010-09-18 22:31:06 +0930, Dale wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I have done some more work and now have 2 styles going so people can
 choose either the light or the dark. All can be found on the wiki[1]
 at the the usual place.
 
 Comments and/or suggestions more than welcome :-)
 
 On 17 September 2010 14:01, Dale quail.li...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I have done some fixing and theses are the fixes I have done,
 
  * Fixed the fade on the menu
  * Adjusted toolbar, window title bar, menu bar heights from 14 to 18
  * Adjusted font sizes to suit.
 
  I have also added and overlay example to the wiki page[1] of some
  overrides to the theme, and updated the screenshots.
 
  Comments and/or suggestions more than welcome
 
  On 16 September 2010 18:35, Dale quail.li...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   I have been working on a new Fluxbox style[1] for Debian and hopefully
   come the default theme for a release like squeeze, or the next the
   next Debian release.
  
   Comments and/or suggestions more than welcome
  

Dale,

The scheme that is called Light does not seem very light to me.  I see
that it has more contrast than the Dark theme, but it still uses a
dark background and dark window titles. Overall, it still looks like a
dark theme to me, albeit one with more contrast. Maybe the name is
misleading?

When I think about a typical light theme, I think of a light colored
background with dark text.  For example, the editor that is showing in
one of the screenshots is using the GTK theme Clearlooks (I
think). That is a light theme because it uses white and light gray
backgrounds, black text, and color for accents.

It might be nice to have a true light theme for people who like those.
Apparently, a lot of people like them. Or it might suffice to change
the name of the existing second theme? I guess I would vote for more
difference between the two themes.

Some ideas to take or leave, no need to change anything on my account.

Phil


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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Morgan Gangwere
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:48:49 -0500
Mark Allums mark wrote:

 Your problem is probably Virtual PC.  Try Virtualbox (free) or VMware 
 server (free) or VMware Desktop (paid and kind of expensive but much 
 more usable for newbies than server).

Its a known problem. very much a known problem!

its something with the software emulation of certain bits of
hardware... From what I know.


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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 9/19/2010 10:00 PM, Mark Allums wrote:

On 9/19/2010 8:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:


And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's
not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes
with Windows 7 doesn't work.


It doesn't work because it doesn't work.

Microsoft doesn't care if any OS besides a Microsoft-produced one works.
That's what Virtual PC is for, to run MS OSes.

I have tried it. It is unstable with the distributions of Linux I tried.
Debian 4,5, Ubuntu 5,6,8, Mandriva, SuSE. SuSE worked best. Virtual PC
2004 and 2007 worked better than Windows 7.

Good luck.




As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open 
for discussion.  The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like 
Microsoft are NOT valid reasons.



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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Allums

On 9/19/2010 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:



As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open
for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like
Microsoft are NOT valid reasons.



I did not say I don't like Microsoft.

I tried it with seven distros.  Granted, not today's distros.  Well, 
Lenny and six others.


If you don't want to use a non-MS product, fine.  I think you are doomed 
to frustration.


If you want a Microsoft product, install Server 2008 R2 and enable the 
Hyper-V role.  Hyper-V will run Linux and UNIX(tm).







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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
 On 20/09/10 13:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 9/19/2010 10:00 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
 On 9/19/2010 8:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

 And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's
 not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes
 with Windows 7 doesn't work.

 It doesn't work because it doesn't work.

 Microsoft doesn't care if any OS besides a Microsoft-produced one works.
 That's what Virtual PC is for, to run MS OSes.

 I have tried it. It is unstable with the distributions of Linux I tried.
 Debian 4,5, Ubuntu 5,6,8, Mandriva, SuSE. SuSE worked best. Virtual PC
 2004 and 2007 worked better than Windows 7.

 Good luck.



 As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open
 for discussion.  The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like
 Microsoft are NOT valid reasons.


A couple of points (please bear with me Jerry).
You don't tell us whether your CPU support hardware virtualization
(could be important)
You don't tell us anything about how you have Virtual PC configured for
Lenny
The suggestion that you try VirtualBox could be misinterpreted to mean:-
Microsoft sucks, which would be wrong. It's suggested because:-
A. it'll give another lot of data that may help resolve the problem with
Virtual PC
B. Some of us know that the Virtual PC that is bundled with Windows 7
has been optimised to run earlier versions of Windows ('cause we
searched the Microsoft Knowledge Base).
C. Not m/any(?) on this list have experience with Linux under Windows 7
Virtual PC *because it does not* natively support Linux

That said - earlier versions of Virtual PC have supported Linux - it is
possible that Windows 7 Virtual PC can be made to support Linux...
First I suggest you confirm that your CPU does support hardware
virtualization (not necessary to run Linux in a VM, maybe critical to
Virtual PC).
Let us know what configuration you are using in Virtual PC.

Cheers

PS. scroll down to the section labelled Supported Operating Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/requirements.aspx

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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
 On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC.  I basically
 took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and
 get gnome's display correct.

 I still have several problems, which may be related.  The easiest one
 to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. 
 This occurs whether I run as a user or root.

 I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar.
 Does anyone have any ideas?

 I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :)

 TIA.

 Jerry


This thread describes getting Ubuntu running in Windows 7 Virtual PC,
the information may be useful to you.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466888


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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
 And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's
 not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes
 with Windows 7 doesn't work.

It's fairly difficult to answer such a guestion, especially without
source code to Windows 7 :-)




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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
 On 20/09/10 14:12, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
 And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's
 not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes
 with Windows 7 doesn't work.
 It's fairly difficult to answer such a guestion, especially without
 source code to Windows 7 :-)




Timo, how big is your mail box? ;-p

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Re: Proposed Fluxbox style for Debian

2010-09-19 Thread Dale
Hi Phil,

On 20 September 2010 11:37, Phil Requirements simultane...@comcast.net wrote:

 The scheme that is called Light does not seem very light to me.  I see
 that it has more contrast than the Dark theme, but it still uses a
 dark background and dark window titles. Overall, it still looks like a
 dark theme to me, albeit one with more contrast. Maybe the name is
 misleading?

Yeah you are right there. I am not the best at naming thing things. It
was a friend the came up with the name of the theme for me. Maybe I
can call the the lighter font one 'Debian LibStick Dark Contrast' and
leave the other called 'Debian LibStick Dark'.


 When I think about a typical light theme, I think of a light colored
 background with dark text.  For example, the editor that is showing in
 one of the screenshots is using the GTK theme Clearlooks (I
 think). That is a light theme because it uses white and light gray
 backgrounds, black text, and color for accents.

The GTK theme I am using is 'Murrina-Leopard-Mod' with the
'gtk2-engines-murrine' as the murrine engine seems to be a lot faster
than Clearlooks.


 It might be nice to have a true light theme for people who like those.
 Apparently, a lot of people like them. Or it might suffice to change
 the name of the existing second theme? I guess I would vote for more
 difference between the two themes.

As I am not much of an artist I have yet to find a nice Debian light
background to use, maybe the default 'debian-blueish-wallpaper.svg'
will do. I have been thinking of doing a proper light version Fluxbox
style.


 Some ideas to take or leave, no need to change anything on my account.

Thanks for your input it very much appreciated :-)

Regards
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