Re: A question for the list:
ZephyrQ put forth on 11/4/2010 9:50 PM: > If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > which other distribution would you use and why? What situation are you in that motivates this question? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd3a96a.4030...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: A question for the list:
ZephyrQ wrote: If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? Red Hat -- I learned Linux on Red Hat. It worked fine up through version 7.3. 8 had problems. 9 was worse. Red Hat went commercial and turned their back on enthusiasts. I switched to Debian. SuSE -- I've tried SuSE a few times over the years. Administration is via GUI's. I prefer Bash, Vim, and RCS/CVS. Ubuntu -- I tried Ubuntu for desktops and as an LTSP server in late 2009. Installation, LTSP, software RAID, and whole drive encryption were easy, but I ran into video driver problems with LTSP terminals (older p3 boxes with various outdated video cards). The Ubuntu features may have saved time if you didn't want to get under the hood, but added learning curve when you did. There seemed to be more updates and less stability than Debian. FreeBSD -- the primary FOSS alternative to GNU/Linux. The BSD architecture is more stable than Linux and the documentation is solid. I ran BSD and Linux servers and DOS/ Windows desktops for years. In the end, Linux won because of GNU (Linux, DJGPP, and Cygwin), malware resistance, and cost. Now all my machines are Debian GNU/Linux except for one laptop with Windows XP/Pro for specific applications. My domain hosting service was Slackware, then Ubuntu, and now Debian. HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd3a05a.1060...@holgerdanske.com
Re: A question for the list:
In <4cd3921a.5090...@optonline.net>, Doug wrote: >On 11/04/2010 10:50 PM, ZephyrQ wrote: >> If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), >> which other distribution would you use and why? > >One thing I >really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I really >want >Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familiar icons, on my screen, not the >goofy clones that Debian has come up with. It's not a "fear". It's a reality. The Mozilla Foundation contacted Debian Developers and asked them to come into compliance on the trademark usage allowances that Mozilla provides. Debian's choices were: 1. Seek approval from the Mozilla Foundation for *all* patches. 2. Stop using the trademark. Choosing #1 basically results in firefox / thunderbird never getting into stable. Because the lifetime of a Debian release is longer that Mozilla is willing to support a version of firefox / thunderbird and Debian requires the ability to apply security updates for the lifetime of a release. Choosing #2 results in firefox / thunderbind being rebranded iceweasel / iceowl. They use the same source code as firefox / thunderbird, but they are configured with the an alternate branding. They may also have a few patches applied to them that may or may not be approved by Mozilla; you can check the debian/patches directory in the source package to see what is patched. Debian did not make the decision lightly or unilaterally. There is a third choice, I guess: Ship firefox / thunderbird in non-free. Support for non-free is best-effort, which basically means that if upstream is willing to fix it then the security team / maintainers will package it. This basically results in Debian stable's non-free containing software with known security vulnerabilities that Mozilla is unwilling to fix. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: A question for the list:
On 11/04/2010 10:50 PM, ZephyrQ wrote: If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? If I wanted the Debian style without Debian, I would use Ubuntu, after I modified it to look more like Debian--black letters on white menus screen, window con- trols on the top right, etc. (I have done that.) I installed first Debian and then Ubuntu, for a class I am taking. There was something that Debian wouldn't do, so they switched to Ubuntu. But I already was using PCLOS. One thing I really _don't_ like about Debian is its fear of the copyright. I really want Thunderbird and Firefox, with their familiar icons, on my screen, not the goofy clones that Debian has come up with. I tried some version of XFDE--I forget which distro it was on--and I could not put icons on the desktop. Period. So I put period to that GUI right then and there. I like to use icons for all the programs I use on a regular basis. Just like Windows. All the systems I use or have used allow that. I would never use anything else--might as well go back to DOS! I am still using PCLinxOs at the moment, and that's the one I would go with. It has a civilized version of KDE4--at least rev. 2010 does, I don't know about the two minor releases since. It has some of the advantages of Debian, like the Synaptic package manager, and a nice file browser--Dolphin. It works with synaptiks scratch-pad controller for laptops, which Debian and Ubuntu have eliminated in favor of something that doesn't work. Something about "g-pointing-something" I think it's called. I like KDE a bit better than GNOME --at least without all the transparency nonsense, and the weird window stuff that the late SuSEs and Kubuntu have. I looked at Kubuntu, while I was looking for a distro to replace SuSE, and I almost threw up. I was looking to replace SuSE 10.1, because it wouldn't play music; none of the SuSEs I have had ever would. I looked at Puppy, and Deb, and Ub, and PCLOS, and a couple of others, and I decided on PCLOS. It's not perfect--sometimes its mouse won't come back after hibernation, and I'm still trying to fix that. Also, the screensaver daemon dies unexpectedly sometimes, so I have to keep an eye on that. Other than these foibles, I am quite happy with this distro. BTW, I don't hate Windows, altho there are some things I really dislike in it. If I had to choose between Kubuntu and Windows--either XP or 7-- I'd go with Windows in a heartbeat! One must admit that with the s/w available to it, it can do some things easily that Linux can do only with difficulty, or in a few cases, not at all--altho that's changing. MS Word is only marginally better than OO, f'rinstance, but WordPerfect is better than both, and is no longer available in a Linux version. AutoCadLT does not come on Linux, but I've been fooling with QCad a bit, and it's pretty good, so far. Well, you asked. . . . --doug Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd3921a.5090...@optonline.net
Re: linux-image for i586
> Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: >> Will there be any gain? :-? > I believe - as it has other technologies than i486 CPUs. I think there's a lack of evidence that it will make a significant difference. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jwvfwvgwgk0.fsf-monnier+gmane.linux.debian.u...@gnu.org
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
2010-11-04 21:03, Paul Cartwright skrev: I'm running Lenny, updated, and Thunderbird 3.1.6 ( from my local user). SOMETIMES, you see a folder, click "N" for next message, the folder still has the (1) for new message, but when you hit N, it proceeds to the next folder. Eventually you hit N and come back to THE SAME MESSAGE. anyone seen this, or have any ideas? Yes, I have seen this, without filters, but for a newsgroup account (news.gmane.org), and it seems to happen when I fetch new messages several times before reading through the new messages, and even then I only see it sometimes. I have no solution to offer, and I do not remember the exact version combinations I have seen this in. / Johan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iavv24$2f...@dough.gmane.org
A question for the list:
If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), which other distribution would you use and why? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd370df.8030...@sbcglobal.net
Re: A question for the list:
ZephyrQ wrote: > If you could not/did not use Debian (either Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid), > which other distribution would you use and why? If Debian didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Problems configuring wireless with wicd on amd64 lenny
I have just installed lenny from cd-1 (5.0.6), but I cannot get wireless network to work. I have installed wicd from lenny-backports, and followed the instructions on the page http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse but wicd does not recognize the wireless network (which is there, I am sending this via it, from a live cd of ubuntu). ¡ Any ideas? If is is relevant, I am using a laptop HP Pavillion dv69211a Notebook, with TL-60 AMD Turion 64. Kjetil -- "If you want a picture of the future - imagine a boot stamping on the human face - forever." George Orwell (1984) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik+8sgq8bm5ndx3nmt4-uc+y2dycf0he5ncx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On 11/04/2010 07:37 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> Why do you think the problem of the shortcut ("N") for going to the next
> unread messsage has any connection with the filters? :-?
hm.. not sure, I just ASSuMEd..
ok, so I have messages in folders, when I get to the last unread
message, the folder STILL shows (1) and moves on to another unread
message in the next folder.
> Does it happen while using a threaded view/plain view for messages or
> both? What type of folders view (smart-unified/all folders...) are you
> using?
>
ack, no idea what you mean. I use the tipical 3-panel view, folders to
the left, message headers up top, and body of email below. I use
threaded view, but I'm not sure I changed it in ALL the folders, only
the ones I noticed had threads, and it wasn't threading. all folders, no
"special effects"..
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Re: linux-image for i586
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: > No, I cannot see any i586 kernel (i686 is the right one for pentium). AFAIK the kernel will not work on pentium machine - as it will announce at boot time - no appropriate CPU. > And we need to thank Debian DD because at least they provide i486 > flavour (and that's very uncommon in other distros) >:-) And that's why we love/use Debian! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd35562.52790e0a.3df8.2...@mx.google.com
Re: debian list problem
On 2010-11-03, godo wrote: >> Mmm... maybe the mailing list server does not like your IP >> (93.139.23.178) because it appears as blacklisted under some rbl :-?> >> > Thanks for answer. Yes, I'm on http://www.mail-abuse.com/ and I don't > know why. > I contacted them and hope that I will soon be removed. Isn't it the smarthost cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (69.89.21.11) that is rejected, not the dynamic IP address (93.139.23.178) ? Regards, Howard E. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7ntbq7-0ag@gonif.dnyndns.org
Re: Locales/sort bug
Camaleón wrote: > I'm trying to "reverse-engineering" the logic behind the sort but I can't > see it. Maybe it is done randomly? Very curious, indeed. It is "dictionary" sort ordering as specified by the locale. Case is folded and punctuation is (mostly) ignored. Personally I always set the following in my ~/.bashrc file. export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 export LC_COLLATE=C Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KMail - forwarding issues
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:48:30 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: ... > with mbox and searching strings in Icedove is bit slow if mbox files are > big (measured in GiB :-P). If you're still doing on-demand searching, have you considered using a mail indexer, such as Sylph-Searcher, or a generic file indexer, such as recoll? Obviously, dedicated mail indexers have the advantage of understanding the structure of emails, so you can search for mail with specific field contents. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101104163531.2b4d392d.cele...@gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:03:54 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
(...)
> I setup lots & lots of filters, almost every email gets filtered
> somewhere.. SOMETIMES, you see a folder, click "N" for next message, the
> folder still has the (1) for new message, but when you hit N, it
> proceeds to the next folder. Eventually you hit N and come back to THE
> SAME MESSAGE. I even put a "stop filter execution" at the end of the
> filters, but it still does it.
> anyone seen this, or have any ideas?
Why do you think the problem of the shortcut ("N") for going to the next
unread messsage has any connection with the filters? :-?
Does it happen while using a threaded view/plain view for messages or
both? What type of folders view (smart-unified/all folders...) are you
using?
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Re: Locales/sort bug
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:55:53PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:23:27 +0100, Rob Gom wrote:
>
> > [cut]
> >>
> >> I'm also getting that behaviour (locale set to "es_ES.UTF-8") so I
> >> understand that my locale setting dictates "underscore" ("_") comes
> >> first than "comma" (",") symbol.
> >>
> >> As per "man sort" page:
> >>
> >> *** WARNING *** The locale specified by the environment affects sort
> >> order. Set LC_ALL=C to get the traditional sort order that uses native
> >> byte values.
> >>
> >> Do you think that is a bug? :-?
> >
> > If so, why do I get order comma, underscore, comma? Even better,
> > comma+quote+A, underscore+d,comma+quote+M. I don't get it...
>
> Mmm... you're right, I missed the first line :-?
>
> Heck, it's even weirder with this sequence:
>
> aph3,"z
> aph3_devel,"a
> aph3,"b
>
> I gets sorted as:
>
> aph3,"b
> aph3_devel,"a
> aph3,"z
>
> I'm trying to "reverse-engineering" the logic behind the sort but I can't
> see it. Maybe it is done randomly? Very curious, indeed.
It just seems to ignore certain characters. Try filtering the output
through, for example, 's/[_|"|,]//g' and the you get it in the right
order.
David
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Re: routing
Hi again, Sthu: On Thursday 04 November 2010 18:25:24 Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer again, Jesús: > > you have *two* hops on > > your local side; you Internet connection knows about the nearest to > > it (from its perspective), which is 20.20.20.20, but it doesn't know > > about the second hop, the one that goes from 20.20.20.20 to > > 192.168.0.0/24, so you need to manage that part yourself (depending > > on your environment by adding static routes or masquerading). > > In case we speak about "by adding static routes" - do I achieve this w/ > the help of route command or some other way? I think we are starting going in circles. > > PS: Please pay attention that I'm just using my crystal ball here. > > You didn't explicitly answered my questions, so I can't know it for > > certain, just speculating. > > Please do not worry on that - Your ball works just perfect! > In other words I would tell You more if I could. But I try my best. It's my ball; please let be me the one that tells if it works or not. Regarding the questions, you *can* answer most of them, if not all. Here they come again: 0) Just so we both can stablish to be working on known field. Use these routing/firewalling rules: /sbin/iptables -F /sbin/iptables -t nat -F /sbin/iptables -t mangle -F /sbin/iptables -X /sbin/iptables -t nat -X /sbin/iptables -t mangle -X /sbin/iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1) What does sit at 10.10.10.10? 2) Can you ping 10.10.10.10 from host2? 3) Can you ping 152.46.7.81 from host2? 4) Can you ping 192.168.0.3 from host2? 5) Can you ping 192.168.0.125 from host1? 6) Can you ping 20.20.20.20 from host1? 7) Can you ping 152.46.7.81 from host1? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201011050024.52354.jesus.nava...@undominio.net
Re: Locales/sort bug
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:23:27 +0100, Rob Gom wrote:
> [cut]
>>
>> I'm also getting that behaviour (locale set to "es_ES.UTF-8") so I
>> understand that my locale setting dictates "underscore" ("_") comes
>> first than "comma" (",") symbol.
>>
>> As per "man sort" page:
>>
>> *** WARNING *** The locale specified by the environment affects sort
>> order. Set LC_ALL=C to get the traditional sort order that uses native
>> byte values.
>>
>> Do you think that is a bug? :-?
>
> If so, why do I get order comma, underscore, comma? Even better,
> comma+quote+A, underscore+d,comma+quote+M. I don't get it...
Mmm... you're right, I missed the first line :-?
Heck, it's even weirder with this sequence:
aph3,"z
aph3_devel,"a
aph3,"b
I gets sorted as:
aph3,"b
aph3_devel,"a
aph3,"z
I'm trying to "reverse-engineering" the logic behind the sort but I can't
see it. Maybe it is done randomly? Very curious, indeed.
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Re: networkmanager blocking evolution
Johan Scheepers wrote: > Standalone laptop using debian squeeze freeze on a dsl modem > connected by cable. > > All my internet applications work but evolution send/receive greyed out. This is another one of those annoying bugs related to network-manager. Evolution online/offline with n-m only works if network-manager controls *all* network devices. If there is an active network device not controlled by n-m then it won't be known and will be marked as offline to Evolution. If you don't need network-manager, and if you are suffering from the problem of n-m not managing your network devices then it would seem that you would not need it, then you can restore Evolution's online capability by removing the network-manager package. Then Evolution won't think it is permanently offline. A number of bugs have been filed on this topic and most of them merged into this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549451 Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Locales/sort bug
I have some form of workaround. When I know sort field separator (which was the case in my original example), I can use that to overcome the limitations with: $ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort -k1,1 -t',' test.csv aph3,"APP","" aph3,"MiB","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" # everything fine $ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort test.csv aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" # previous results, unexpected My conclusion for now would be: - if you don't know field separator -- if there are only ASCII characters - use POSIX collate -- if there are different characters (i18n) - don't have solution - if you know field separator -- specify it in sort command Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinloxdzj9hdafvbcq8++j5v0jecf5wkhksy4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Locales/sort bug
One more thing. If I specify LC_COLLATE to C/POSIX, special characters sorting looks fine, but I lose Polish characters ordering. If I specify LC_COLLATE to pl_PL.UTF-8, Polish characters ordering is fine, but sorting goes crazy with special characters. Is it possible to retain both features then? carra...@laptop-rg:/tmp$ cat test2.csv ,"A _d ,"M a ą b ż ć z carra...@laptop-rg:/tmp$ LC_ALL=POSIX sort test2.csv ,"A ,"M _d a b z ą ć ż # above - correct special characters, Polish in wrong order carra...@laptop-rg:/tmp$ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort test2.csv a ,"A ą b ć _d ,"M z ż # above - correct Polish characters order, incorrect special characters Feel free to replace 'correct' with 'expected' in my posts, I'm just trying to understand what's under the hood. Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=pu2np+filsqx6vcjj32sqnyajqpopqw33v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: minimum number of days between password change
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010, Mark Allums wrote: Not a pattern in the hashes. A pattern in the history. Hi Mark. That's what I meant. The history is made up of hashes and possibly additional information. Cheers, Rob -- Email: rob...@timetraveller.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1011041632210.16...@castor.opentrend.net
Re: Locales/sort bug
[cut] > > This is covered by the coreutils FAQ: > http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html#Sort-does-not-sort-in-normal-order_0021 > > Sven > Thanks for all the answers. How could I know that collate is defined correctly? I understand LC_COLLATE influence on sort operation, but I am not sure if this is ok. The simpliest example which causes weird behaviour is: $ cat test2.csv ,"A _d ,"M $ LC_ALL=pl_PL sort test2.csv # and many other LC_COLLATE variants, other than C/POSIX ,"A _d ,"M In order to achieve such behaviour, ',"' should be defined as single entity in collate definition, equal in ordering to '_'. I don't have other explanation for that. Unfortunately, I am not good enough to understand/verify collate definition in /usr/share/i18n :) Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik3fubmr0oclochjcosyqwhcahgsjvohtfrj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Locales/sort bug
On 2010-11-04 20:29 +0100, Rob Gom wrote: > Hi all, > do you think it's a bug in either libc or coreutils (sort)? > > $ cat test.csv > aph3,"APP","" > aph3_devel,"TXT","" > aph3,"MiB","" > > $ LC_ALL=C sort test.csv # expected > aph3,"APP","" > aph3,"MiB","" > aph3_devel,"TXT","" > > $ LC_ALL=pl_PL sort test.csv # why is that? > aph3,"APP","" > aph3_devel,"TXT","" > aph3,"MiB","" > > $ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort test.csv # another unexpected output > aph3,"APP","" > aph3_devel,"TXT","" > aph3,"MiB","" > > Could anyone give me a hint? I know that this is LC_COLLATE related > (LC_ALL as shorter version), but don't know whether it is my fault or > upstream bug. > > I'd appreciate any comments. This is covered by the coreutils FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html#Sort-does-not-sort-in-normal-order_0021 Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lj58n8em@turtle.gmx.de
Re: networkmanager blocking evolution
On 04/11/2010 21:56, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 22:57 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: Good day, Standalone laptop using debian squeeze freeze on a dsl modem connected by cable. All my internet applications work but evolution send/receive greyed out. Today I configured evolution but no dice. I use icedove but wanted to try evo. On the evo list I found that evo needs some setting up in networkmanager. Never done it before. Do you also have a wireless card? If so, does evolution work if you are connected through the wireless with internet? If so, does the networkmanager manage both cards? Or just the wireless? If I start networkmanger the option for wireless pops up What does that mean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd33289.8000...@telkomsa.net
Re: Locales/sort bug
[cut]
>
> I'm also getting that behaviour (locale set to "es_ES.UTF-8") so I
> understand that my locale setting dictates "underscore" ("_") comes first
> than "comma" (",") symbol.
>
> As per "man sort" page:
>
> *** WARNING *** The locale specified by the environment affects sort
> order. Set LC_ALL=C to get the traditional sort order that uses native
> byte values.
>
> Do you think that is a bug? :-?
>
> Greetings,
>
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If so, why do I get order comma, underscore, comma? Even better,
comma+quote+A, underscore+d,comma+quote+M. I don't get it...
Regards,
Robert
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Re: Locales/sort bug
On 11/04/2010 02:29 PM, Rob Gom wrote: Hi all, do you think it's a bug in either libc or coreutils (sort)? $ cat test.csv aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" $ LC_ALL=C sort test.csv # expected aph3,"APP","" aph3,"MiB","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" $ LC_ALL=pl_PL sort test.csv # why is that? aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" $ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort test.csv # another unexpected output aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" Could anyone give me a hint? I know that this is LC_COLLATE related (LC_ALL as shorter version), but don't know whether it is my fault or upstream bug. I'd appreciate any comments. While it *might* be an upstream bug, it's unlikely. (The first thing I learned in my first CompSci class is that it's not the compiler's fault that my program doesn't work...) You just don't know what the Polish "ASCII" collating sequence is. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd31538.7060...@cox.net
Re: Locales/sort bug
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:29:02 +0100, Rob Gom wrote:
> do you think it's a bug in either libc or coreutils (sort)?
>
> $ cat test.csv
> aph3,"APP",""
> aph3_devel,"TXT",""
> aph3,"MiB",""
>
> $ LC_ALL=C sort test.csv # expected
> aph3,"APP",""
> aph3,"MiB",""
> aph3_devel,"TXT",""
>
> $ LC_ALL=pl_PL sort test.csv # why is that? aph3,"APP",""
> aph3_devel,"TXT",""
> aph3,"MiB",""
>
> $ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort test.csv # another unexpected output
> aph3,"APP",""
> aph3_devel,"TXT",""
> aph3,"MiB",""
>
> Could anyone give me a hint? I know that this is LC_COLLATE related
> (LC_ALL as shorter version), but don't know whether it is my fault or
> upstream bug.
I'm also getting that behaviour (locale set to "es_ES.UTF-8") so I
understand that my locale setting dictates "underscore" ("_") comes first
than "comma" (",") symbol.
As per "man sort" page:
*** WARNING *** The locale specified by the environment affects sort
order. Set LC_ALL=C to get the traditional sort order that uses native
byte values.
Do you think that is a bug? :-?
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lenny & thunderbird filters
I'm running Lenny, updated, and Thunderbird 3.1.6 ( from my local user). I setup a bunch of my user IMAP setups, from my domain host, and pull in mail from fetchmailrc. I setup lots & lots of filters, almost every email gets filtered somewhere.. SOMETIMES, you see a folder, click "N" for next message, the folder still has the (1) for new message, but when you hit N, it proceeds to the next folder. Eventually you hit N and come back to THE SAME MESSAGE. I even put a "stop filter execution" at the end of the filters, but it still does it. anyone seen this, or have any ideas? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd311aa.70...@pcartwright.com
Re: An experiment about file timestamp
Chris Davies writes: > Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> But I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time >> set to UTC, I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync >> and ethernet cross cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, >> one hour late respect to UTC. > > GMT is not (and never is) one hour later than UTC. For most purposes > you can consider GMT = UTC. > > Corollary: if you've managed to get one system on UTC showing a time > one hour distinct from another system running on GMT then you've got a > clock wrong somewhere by one hour. Yes, that was it. So the experiment only proves my miserable error... :) Sorry, thanks to all Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mxpon9k0@gmail.com
Re: networkmanager blocking evolution
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 22:57 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > Standalone laptop using debian squeeze freeze on a dsl modem connected > by cable. > > All my internet applications work but evolution send/receive greyed out. > > Today I configured evolution but no dice. > I use icedove but wanted to try evo. > On the evo list I found that evo needs some setting up in networkmanager. > Never done it before. Do you also have a wireless card? If so, does evolution work if you are connected through the wireless with internet? If so, does the networkmanager manage both cards? Or just the wireless? -- Groeten, Joost Kraaijeveld Askesis B.V. Molukkenstraat 14 6524NB Nijmegen tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277 fax: 024-3608416 web: www.askesis.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1288900580.23461.2.ca...@asterix.askesis.nl
Re: initex and virtex
According to the man page, it seems initex and virtex are now replaced by tex -ini and tex -- Best regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iav1sq$cj...@dough.gmane.org
Locales/sort bug
Hi all, do you think it's a bug in either libc or coreutils (sort)? $ cat test.csv aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" $ LC_ALL=C sort test.csv # expected aph3,"APP","" aph3,"MiB","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" $ LC_ALL=pl_PL sort test.csv # why is that? aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" $ LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8 sort test.csv # another unexpected output aph3,"APP","" aph3_devel,"TXT","" aph3,"MiB","" Could anyone give me a hint? I know that this is LC_COLLATE related (LC_ALL as shorter version), but don't know whether it is my fault or upstream bug. I'd appreciate any comments. Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimst_3jnpkwahyv81c4=a07udqo5unndm47h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: linux-image for i586
In <4cd2eddc.52790e0a.3014.0...@mx.google.com>, Sthu Deus wrote: >Thank You for Your time and answer, Brad: >>Probably because, like the AMD (32 bit) builds, there was insufficient >>benefit to warrant all the extra work (to say nothing of storage space) >>to do it. > >Then. may You know why they have chosen i486 instead of i386? glibc dropped support for i386 a few years back. There's some machine instructions that they are unable to implement certain locking primitives without, and they are no longer willing to do without that high-speed locking. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
networkmanager blocking evolution
Good day, Standalone laptop using debian squeeze freeze on a dsl modem connected by cable. All my internet applications work but evolution send/receive greyed out. Today I configured evolution but no dice. I use icedove but wanted to try evo. On the evo list I found that evo needs some setting up in networkmanager. Never done it before. Some help would be appreciated Thanks Johan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd31e4f.70...@telkomsa.net
Re: minimum number of days between password change
Wolodja Wentland wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:55 +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:40:15 +0100, Lukas Baxa wrote: >>> Camaleón wrote: > >>> I would like to file a new bug report, but I'm not sure against which >>> package. I'm considering either passwd or libpam-modules. > >> "passwd" (as Wolodja suggested) should not allow the user to change his >> password if "/etc/shadow" states so. Anyway, I would not worry about the >> "correctness" of the package against you are to report the bug as devels >> will change it if they estimate it convenient. > > Exactly. Given that we do not know what causes this bug, we have no way > to assign it to the correct package. I would therefore file a bug > against the package that ships the program that exhibits the buggy > behaviour. OK, good to know that the developers can change the package :-) Thanks. I've changed my meaning and I'm going to file the bug against the package passwd. > Kind Regards > > > > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd30066.1020...@seznam.cz
Re: An experiment about file timestamp
Rodolfo Medina wrote: > But I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time > set to UTC, I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync > and ethernet cross cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, > one hour late respect to UTC. GMT is not (and never is) one hour later than UTC. For most purposes you can consider GMT = UTC. Corollary: if you've managed to get one system on UTC showing a time one hour distinct from another system running on GMT then you've got a clock wrong somewhere by one hour. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/008bq7xcfg@news.roaima.co.uk
Re (5): routing
From: lee Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:09:36 +0200 > You have 142.103.107.137 on both Carnot and Dalton ... Just one of my klutzy errors. Fixed it. http://carnot.yi.org/NetworkExtant.jpg "host carnot.yi.org" should work also. > seems weird that you have connected a hub to your internet > connection. How's the connection provided? An Ethernet cable comes to the upstream connection on the CentreCom 3612TR. An Ethernet "spoke" connects to carnot. Another "spoke" connects to dalton. That's how a hub works. Is there a better way to indicate this on the diagram? Thanks for citing the errors, ... Peter -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. 7785886232 is gone. Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive; installation of NetBSD on new drives pending. Personal pages, http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171056676.45766.30...@cantor.invalid
Re: An experiment about file timestamp
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:38:43 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> I think this may cause serious errors: in fact, when someone read the
>> timestamp on the 2nd PC, he would believe that the file were created at
>> 14:43 of the GMT time, which is wrong: in fact, it was created at 15:43
>> GMT = 14:43 UTC.
>
>
> Camaleón writes:
>
>> (...)
>>
>> Mmm, nope :-)
>>
>> I think you didn't get the whole picture.
>>
>> Look, it is very well explained in this Gentoo FAQ:
>>
>> ***
>> Consistent times on FAT filesystems over the whole year
>> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-579915-start-0.html ***
>
>
> But the above `experiment' has nothing to do with vfat partitions: both
> systems are linux ext3.
Ext3 does not expose that "time-moving" behaviour, just FAT.
> What I don't understand is how can a user from
> the 2nd system know that the file has been created at 14:43 UTC and not
> at 14:43 of its local time, since all files of his filesystem are
> displayed in the local time.
To avoid confusion, run "date" command on both computers, then create a
new file in computer 1 ("touch test_file") and then copy/paste the file
into computer 2. After that, put here the output of "stat
test_file" (runned from both systems) so we can get the full story >:-)
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Re: linux-image for i586
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Brad: > >> Probably because, like the AMD (32 bit) builds, there was >> insufficient benefit to warrant all the extra work (to say nothing >> of storage space) to do it. > > Then. may You know why they have chosen i486 instead of i386? This has been decided for the release of "sarge" (around 2005). From lenny's installation guide [1]: > However, Debian GNU/Linux lenny will not run on 386 or earlier > processors. Despite the architecture name "i386", support for actual > 80386 processors (and their clones) was dropped with the Sarge (r3.1) > release of Debian. (No version of Linux has ever supported the 286 > or earlier chips in the series.) All i486 and later processors are > still supported and > We have long tried to avoid this, but in the end it was necessary due > a unfortunate series of issues with the compiler and the kernel, > starting with an bug in the C++ ABI provided by GCC. You should still > be able to run Debian GNU/Linux on actual 80386 processors if you > compile your own kernel and compile all packages from source, but > that is beyond the scope of this manual. [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#id2756691 - -- Johannes In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. - - Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzS9ZEACgkQC1NzPRl9qEWdPgCdGC1GCIDRs00Qc2hXWNFVmL+c 7Y8AnRm3qmTL/PEcQu8PRP/G4h2zLNGw =I9DZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2f592.8010...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de
Re: An experiment about file timestamp
Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Chris Jackson writes: > >> File timestamps are (or at least should be) stored in UTC. It's the >> display of them that's affected. > > > > But I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time set to UTC, > I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync and ethernet cross > cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, one hour late respect to UTC. > I expected that, on the 2nd PC, the timestamp was displayed in the local time, > i.e. 15:43; instead, it appears as 14:43 as well. (For the copy I used the -t > option.) > > So, according with this experiment it is not true that the displayed time is > in > local format. > > I think this may cause serious errors: in fact, when someone read the > timestamp > on the 2nd PC, he would believe that the file were created at 14:43 of the GMT > time, which is wrong: in fact, it was created at 15:43 GMT = 14:43 UTC. > > What do you all think? > > Rodolfo > > GMT, as far as a computer is concerned, is the same as UTC. The difference is that GMT is a solar time and may be up to a second different, however since computers don't make solar observations, they're the same in implementation, and many people use them loosely to mean the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time Paragraph 4 of the introduction, plus discussion under "History". Are you thinking of British Summer Time, a form of daylight saving time, which ended last weekend anyway so the UK is now on GMT? The question about FAT filesystems is a different one as Camaleon observes, however. I misunderstood in my original mail. -- Chris Jackson Shadowcat Systems Ltd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2f504.3010...@shadowcat.co.uk
Re: linux-image for i586
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:29:24 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: > >> Will there be any gain? :-? > > I believe - as it has other technologies than i486 CPUs. I guess i586 shares most of the i686 specs and that's the reason for the i686 kernel: all needed for a PV arch. is bundled there. >> Anyway, I think you can always re-compile/re-build your own kernel >> (i686) and enable MMX extensions... > > It reaches recompiling every time the package is updated. That is not > what I want. > > But, actually, my question was just - did I not miss it somehow. No, I cannot see any i586 kernel (i686 is the right one for pentium). And we need to thank Debian DD because at least they provide i486 flavour (and that's very uncommon in other distros) >:-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.18.00...@gmail.com
Re: An experiment about file timestamp
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:23:13 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> [...] I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time set >> to UTC, I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync and >> ethernet cross cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, one hour >> late respect to UTC. I expected that, on the 2nd PC, the timestamp was >> displayed in the local time, i.e. 15:43; instead, it appears as 14:43 as >> well. (For the copy I used the -t option.) >> >> So, according with this experiment it is not true that the displayed >> time is in local format. > > I think this may cause serious errors: in fact, when someone read the > timestamp on the 2nd PC, he would believe that the file were created at 14:43 > of the GMT time, which is wrong: in fact, it was created at 15:43 GMT = 14:43 > UTC. Camaleón writes: > (...) > > Mmm, nope :-) > > I think you didn't get the whole picture. > > Look, it is very well explained in this Gentoo FAQ: > > *** > Consistent times on FAT filesystems over the whole year > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-579915-start-0.html > *** But the above `experiment' has nothing to do with vfat partitions: both systems are linux ext3. What I don't understand is how can a user from the 2nd system know that the file has been created at 14:43 UTC and not at 14:43 of its local time, since all files of his filesystem are displayed in the local time. Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k4ktng4c@gmail.com
Re: linux-image for i586
Thank You for Your time and answer, Brad: >Probably because, like the AMD (32 bit) builds, there was insufficient >benefit to warrant all the extra work (to say nothing of storage space) >to do it. Then. may You know why they have chosen i486 instead of i386? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2eddc.52790e0a.3014.0...@mx.google.com
Re: linux-image for i586
Thank You for Your time and answer, Camaleón: > Will there be any gain? :-? I believe - as it has other technologies than i486 CPUs. > Anyway, I think you can always re-compile/re-build your own kernel > (i686) and enable MMX extensions... It reaches recompiling every time the package is updated. That is not what I want. But, actually, my question was just - did I not miss it somehow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2ed80.cc7e0e0a.7796.0...@mx.google.com
Re: routing
Thank You for Your time and answer again, Jesús: > you have *two* hops on > your local side; you Internet connection knows about the nearest to > it (from its perspective), which is 20.20.20.20, but it doesn't know > about the second hop, the one that goes from 20.20.20.20 to > 192.168.0.0/24, so you need to manage that part yourself (depending > on your environment by adding static routes or masquerading). In case we speak about "by adding static routes" - do I achieve this w/ the help of route command or some other way? > PS: Please pay attention that I'm just using my crystal ball here. > You didn't explicitly answered my questions, so I can't know it for > certain, just speculating. Please do not worry on that - Your ball works just perfect! In other words I would tell You more if I could. But I try my best. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2ec8b.cb7b0e0a.2894.0...@mx.google.com
Re: Orphaned User Accounts?
Carlos Mennens wrote: > I've find it very useful. When you log out, that's it. You're done. > Why would you leave printable data on the screen for others to see > when you walk away from the terminal. It's a security vulnerability > and when you tell the system to "log off", you're saying 'I'm done'. The difference then is our operating models. For me it is not a single system. For me I am always working on a dozen systems with many terminals open to remote hosts simultaneously. For me the computer is not a single machine but instead the networked collection of hosts. > When you walk away from an ATM, you finish your transaction and expect > the screen to clear, right? Same thing to me. But an ATM is not a general purpose computer which many be used for many different activities. When you walk away from your car do you expect the license plate to go blank? There isn't a good analogy. > The beauty of Linux is the fact that we can change the things don't > make sense or work for us that do for a majority. Very true! Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: An experiment about file timestamp
On 11/04/2010 10:23 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Chris Jackson writes: File timestamps are (or at least should be) stored in UTC. It's the display of them that's affected. But I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time set to UTC, I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync and ethernet cross cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, one hour late respect to UTC. I expected that, on the 2nd PC, the timestamp was displayed in the local time, i.e. 15:43; instead, it appears as 14:43 as well. (For the copy I used the -t option.) Eh? Is not UTC, for all practical purposes, the same as GMT? -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2dc99.9010...@cox.net
Re: routing
Hi, Sthu: On Thursday 04 November 2010 08:11:04 Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Jesús, again: > > Let's try again: > > 1) What are the exact iptables rules you are trying? > > I'd suggest trying this and only this (just for testing; once it's > > working you can tie up them as needed): > > /sbin/iptables -F > > /sbin/iptables -t nat -F > > /sbin/iptables -t mangle -F > > > > /sbin/iptables -X > > /sbin/iptables -t nat -X > > /sbin/iptables -t mangle -X > > > > /sbin/iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT > > /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT > > /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT > > > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > > Now, let's test it: > > 2) Can you ping 10.10.10.10 from host2? > > Well. As I have shown already - the reason was in masquerading - as > Peter E. has suggested. And this is answers the question, why opening > total access (all chains policies to ACCEPT) did not work in my case. First you test, then you diagnose, then you make corrections, then you retest. That's the way to enlightenment (sounds kinda "The Sysadmin Zen", uh?) I told: > > > Now, my bet: > > > Does whatever sit on the far end of your ppp link holding IP address > > > 10.10.10.10 know how to return packets to 192.168.0.0/24? > > > > Sorry, I do not know. > > You'll need to know. What does sit at 10.10.10.10? That was my bet. If whatever sat at 10.10.10.10 was not under your control and it was a public Internet device (like the other end of your ISP connection), as now it seems to, it wouldn't know about private networks as per RFC-1918. So the answer to my question "Does whatever sit on the far end of your ppp link holding IP address 10.10.10.10 know how to return packets to 192.168.0.0/24?" is "no, it doesn't". Once this answer is reached, the (at least partial) solution follows: you will need to either instruct it about 192.168.0.0/24 (you usually do it by configuring an static route on the device) or hide it from its scope (which you usually do by adding masquerading at the proper place). In other words: in "usual" internet connections, you have just one network in your local side; you router/cable modem/whatever will know about it and will act as needed (usually masquerading it). But now, you have *two* hops on your local side; you Internet connection knows about the nearest to it (from its perspective), which is 20.20.20.20, but it doesn't know about the second hop, the one that goes from 20.20.20.20 to 192.168.0.0/24, so you need to manage that part yourself (depending on your environment by adding static routes or masquerading). PS: Please pay attention that I'm just using my crystal ball here. You didn't explicitly answered my questions, so I can't know it for certain, just speculating. Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201011041702.56529.jesus.nava...@undominio.net
Re: An experiment about file timestamp (was: Timestamps jump by one hour when switching timezone)
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:23:13 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Chris Jackson writes: > >> File timestamps are (or at least should be) stored in UTC. It's the >> display of them that's affected. > > > > But I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time set > to UTC, I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync and > ethernet cross cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, one hour > late respect to UTC. I expected that, on the 2nd PC, the timestamp was > displayed in the local time, i.e. 15:43; instead, it appears as 14:43 as > well. (For the copy I used the -t option.) > > So, according with this experiment it is not true that the displayed > time is in local format. (...) Mmm, nope :-) I think you didn't get the whole picture. Look, it is very well explained in this Gentoo FAQ: *** Consistent times on FAT filesystems over the whole year https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-579915-start-0.html *** THT. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.15.57...@gmail.com
Re: where is kedit?
Roman Khomasuridze wrote: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia> Guess, development ceased for KEdit, so did packaging. So for simple writing needs use KWrite, for advanced ones - Kate. Thanks Roman. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iaukd0$5n...@dough.gmane.org
Re: linux-image for i586
Sthu Deus schreef: Good day. Just wanted to ask, Why there is no linux-image package for i586, especially w/ MMX support - but only for i486, then for i686 and up? Thank You for Your time. please consider building your own kernel with the extensions you want. kind regards, steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd42207.7050...@home.nl
Re: An experiment about file timestamp (was: Timestamps jump by one hour when switching timezone)
Chris Jackson writes: > File timestamps are (or at least should be) stored in UTC. It's the > display of them that's affected. But I did the following experiment: on a computer with system time set to UTC, I created a file at 14:43 UTC. Then I copied it via rsync and ethernet cross cable to another PC with system time set to GMT, one hour late respect to UTC. I expected that, on the 2nd PC, the timestamp was displayed in the local time, i.e. 15:43; instead, it appears as 14:43 as well. (For the copy I used the -t option.) So, according with this experiment it is not true that the displayed time is in local format. I think this may cause serious errors: in fact, when someone read the timestamp on the 2nd PC, he would believe that the file were created at 14:43 of the GMT time, which is wrong: in fact, it was created at 15:43 GMT = 14:43 UTC. What do you all think? Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87eib1p0ym@gmail.com
Re: linux-image for i586
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:08:50 +0700 Sthu Deus wrote: Hello Sthu, > Just wanted to ask, Why there is no linux-image package for i586, > especially w/ MMX support - but only for i486, then for i686 and up? Probably because, like the AMD (32 bit) builds, there was insufficient benefit to warrant all the extra work (to say nothing of storage space) to do it. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" You said you ain't had none for weeks, but baby I seen your arms Deny - The Clash signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: linux-image for i586
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:08:50 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Just wanted to ask, Why there is no linux-image package for i586, > especially w/ MMX support - but only for i486, then for i686 and up? Will there be any gain? :-? Anyway, I think you can always re-compile/re-build your own kernel (i686) and enable MMX extensions... s...@stt008:~$ cat /boot/config* | grep -i mmx # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.15.14...@gmail.com
linux-image for i586
Good day. Just wanted to ask, Why there is no linux-image package for i586, especially w/ MMX support - but only for i486, then for i686 and up? Thank You for Your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2be79.d07b0e0a.684a.4...@mx.google.com
Re: Orphaned User Accounts?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > I always hate it that the default skeleton for normal users is to > clear the screen on logout. It is one of the irritating things that I > always fix on my systems so that it doesn't do that by default. It > gets in the way of productivity. If the user wants to clear the > screen then they can do so manually. And it doesn't provide any > "protection" in the case of connection drops. Better to be aware of > any sensitive information and to protect it as appropriate than to > have such an annoyance most of the time when it isn't needed and to > have it fail you at some critical time. I've find it very useful. When you log out, that's it. You're done. Why would you leave printable data on the screen for others to see when you walk away from the terminal. It's a security vulnerability and when you tell the system to "log off", you're saying 'I'm done'. When you walk away from an ATM, you finish your transaction and expect the screen to clear, right? Same thing to me. The beauty of Linux is the fact that we can change the things don't make sense or work for us that do for a majority. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktiko=fwgjbjfmsmduukvhz5bk8546qj5ov6fz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: improve screen resolution
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:56:16 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > On 04/11/2010 12:49, Camaleón wrote: >>> The word 'sis' to be replaced by 'vesa in the whole file'? >>> >> Yes... okay, I'll put it all together in pastebin (just copy/paste): >> >> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2nXCCgM5 >> >> >> > UNBELIEVABLE...now need to improve my specs resolution. Running at > 1280x768 and have 1024x768 to spare. Yeeepy! You finally got it :-) Now save your current "xorg.conf" file in a safe-box with 5 locks... just in case :-P > Now I need to say THANK YOU in capital letters. > > Did what you said and there it is. > > My internet banking can see all and room to spare. > > I even contacted siemens SA to lookinto another chipset. Still waiting. > > May this help others users to improve their resolution. Easy ... a > driver available on the net by you and others. The drawback is that you are still using the VESA driver which is not the optimal for your card (no 2D/3D acceleration so playing videos can become a bit slow) but well, at least you can continue working with that until "sis" driver gets the bug solved (from time to time, just try to load the system with no "xorg.conf" file to check if the problem has gone). > Kind regards > Johan > > This was a very good day for me. Good job sir, congrats! Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.13.17...@gmail.com
Re: Graphical diff/patch viewer
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Gregory Seidman wrote: [cut] > > Also, of course you need an original file. If you don't have an original > file there is nothing to look at other than the patch file itself. What > is there to visualize without an original? > >> Regards, >> Robert > --Greg > The same story as when looking at patch/diff itself. Sometimes you want to focus on differences, context is given by diff (-u). That's enough for me to review a patch in most cases. Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktiknrogm+q_vyxt-cpurpdrdewyqkcb9zt2hq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Graphical diff/patch viewer
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:30:13AM +0100, Rob Gom wrote: > [cut] > > > > You have to be comfortable in vim, but you can use the following: > > > > gvim "+vert diffpatch " > > > > If you aren't comfortable with vim, you *might* be able to use the > > following, but no guarantees (I don't have a patch file handy to determine > > whether this will work): > > > > gvim -y "+vert diffpatch " > > > >> Regards, > >> Robert > > --Greg > > > Those are big patches, consisting of several files/directories. Would > gvim handle that? But still I need an original file, which I perceive > as downside. I can't say I've tried it with multi-file patches, but vim tends to be pretty robust. Also, of course you need an original file. If you don't have an original file there is nothing to look at other than the patch file itself. What is there to visualize without an original? > Regards, > Robert --Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101104123744.gq10...@anthropohedron.net
Re: minimum number of days between password change
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:55 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:40:15 +0100, Lukas Baxa wrote: > > Camaleón wrote: > > I would like to file a new bug report, but I'm not sure against which > > package. I'm considering either passwd or libpam-modules. > "passwd" (as Wolodja suggested) should not allow the user to change his > password if "/etc/shadow" states so. Anyway, I would not worry about the > "correctness" of the package against you are to report the bug as devels > will change it if they estimate it convenient. Exactly. Given that we do not know what causes this bug, we have no way to assign it to the correct package. I would therefore file a bug against the package that ships the program that exhibits the buggy behaviour. Kind Regards -- .''`. Wolodja Wentland : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: improve screen resolution
On 04/11/2010 12:49, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:04:12 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: On 03/11/2010 22:03, Camaleón wrote: (...) So back to work, copy/paste the "xorg.conf" detailed in this message¹, restart the computer and check if you see any improvement. (...) ¹http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741#5 How much of that xorg should I copy? The whole content. The word 'sis' to be replaced by 'vesa in the whole file'? Yes... okay, I'll put it all together in pastebin (just copy/paste): http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2nXCCgM5 Greetings, UNBELIEVABLE...now need to improve my specs resolution. Running at 1280x768 and have 1024x768 to spare. Now I need to say THANK YOU in capital letters. Did what you said and there it is. My internet banking can see all and room to spare. I even contacted siemens SA to lookinto another chipset. Still waiting. May this help others users to improve their resolution. Easy ... a driver available on the net by you and others. Kind regards Johan This was a very good day for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2bb80.9010...@telkomsa.net
Re: How can I get the currently running kernel version's source ?
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:08:41 +0900, yamada hiroyuki wrote: (...) > apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) > > It seems kernel 2.6.26-25lenny1 is donwloaded. But running kernel is > 2.6.26-21lenny3. So, I am wondering how I can get 2.6.26-21lenny3 source > code. (I could not find the one on the debian site.) There must be something around here: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20100213T055431Z/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/ > Also, 2.6.26-21lenny3 is what linux kernel version ? The dmesg says > > Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-21lenny3) ... > > Is it linux 2.6.26.2 ? Yes, it's a 2.6.26.2 kernel release for 64 bits. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.11.44...@gmail.com
Re: minimum number of days between password change
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:40:15 +0100, Lukas Baxa wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:35:20 +, Wolodja Wentland wrote: >> (...) >> >>> … which is clearly not working in the way it is described. I have not >>> reproduced this bug myself, but it is exactly that and should >>> therefore be reported - not by posting to d-d - but rather by >>> executing "reportbug passwd". >> >> I've tried in a lenny box and faced the same behaviour than the OP. >> Maybe the new policy is to be applied _a day after_ the change or it >> should be enforced _as soon as_ changed? Is a "passwd" error (not >> reading/applying "/etc/shadow" mandate) or a "chage" one? :-? >> >> >> > Even if the discussion to this topic shows that the mindays option of > chage might not be very useful in most cases, it doesn't work as it > should. I agree. > I would like to file a new bug report, but I'm not sure against which > package. I'm considering either passwd or libpam-modules. (...) "passwd" (as Wolodja suggested) should not allow the user to change his password if "/etc/shadow" states so. Anyway, I would not worry about the "correctness" of the package against you are to report the bug as devels will change it if they estimate it convenient. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.10.55...@gmail.com
Re: improve screen resolution
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:04:12 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > On 03/11/2010 22:03, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> So back to work, copy/paste the "xorg.conf" detailed in this message¹, >> restart the computer and check if you see any improvement. (...) >> ¹http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741#5 >> >> >> > How much of that xorg should I copy? The whole content. > The word 'sis' to be replaced by 'vesa in the whole file'? Yes... okay, I'll put it all together in pastebin (just copy/paste): http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2nXCCgM5 Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.10.49...@gmail.com
Re: improve screen resolution
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:22:59 +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 20:03 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> So back to work, copy/paste the "xorg.conf" detailed in this message¹, >> restart the computer and check if you see any improvement. > > It might also be worth checking if the Suse installation, which IIRC > works ok, has a good xorg.conf? Yep, any test can lead to the final a victory and is worth a try :-) Anyway, I'm afraid openSUSE packages a completely different driver but at least the information in xorg.conf (if present, because openSUSE 11.3 does not use that file at all) could be useful. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.04.10.44...@gmail.com
Re: Graphical diff/patch viewer
[cut] > > You have to be comfortable in vim, but you can use the following: > > gvim "+vert diffpatch " > > If you aren't comfortable with vim, you *might* be able to use the > following, but no guarantees (I don't have a patch file handy to determine > whether this will work): > > gvim -y "+vert diffpatch " > >> Regards, >> Robert > --Greg > Those are big patches, consisting of several files/directories. Would gvim handle that? But still I need an original file, which I perceive as downside. Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=s_zd_irrguqenp9wk4jrnl5mywrkxzxz8t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Graphical diff/patch viewer
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Rob Gom: >> >> do you know/is there any graphical patch/diff viewer in Debian (or for >> Linux in general)? Such a tool would produce side by side view of >> changes/deletions/inserts. > > Apart from vimdiff: have you tried Kdiff3? > [cut] Can't preview a diff with kdiff3. Is there an option to do that? Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimso5r_x+whdqdvx22nrdswoq29j0zhvirb=...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Graphical diff/patch viewer
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In , Rob Gom > wrote: >>There is kompare for KDE, but it is unreliable - produces false >>results for specific patches. > > Odd. I use it all the time and haven't seen it be inconsistent. It fails > indicate files have changed when git uses "Binary files a and b differ." as > the patch text, but it shows all the other changes. There are some Kompare > options that you may want to set/clear though. > > I'd be very interested in seeing a case where kompare displays a valid patch > incorrectly. Thanks for the answer. 1. There's an open bug against kompare about saying "this patch is incorrect" for perfectly fine patches (kde bugs). 2. My bug occurs for patches with several directories/files modified. Some example. For patch containing modifications for the following files: a/b/c/d.txt a/b/c/e.txt a/b/c/f.txt a/g/h/i.txt a/g/h/j.txt a/g/h/k.txt Kompare would create the following directory graph: a g c d.txt e.txt f.txt h i.txt j.txt k.txt instead of expected a b c d.txt e.txt f.txt g h i.txt j.txt k.txt Some parts of directory tree are put in invalid places. I will try to report a bug, but for that I must recreate working example, which may take a while. Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikccoaj63v1dl-qjcjÉ8_0qhg2kjjag4os...@mail.gmail.com
[ERRATUM] Re: why there is no sound output from the front audio pane
Dne, 04. 11. 2010 10:13:07 je Klistvud napisal(a): If the latter, I can only add these 2 cents: on my desktop machine with an Intel motherboard, the front audio headers require special (Windows-only, of course) software to fully work. They do work per se, but if you want to enable rear jack muting (so that your main speakers get muted when you plug in the headphones in the front audio jack), you have to install Windows, and load a special Windows driver. Ooops, that's a disinformation; I mixed up two distinct features from two distinct motherboards and managed to make a compete mess. The above motherboard *does not require Windows* for the said functionality to work, it just requires a *special chassis* with custom cabling. Sorry about the disinformation. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1288862600.671...@compax
Re: Graphical diff/patch viewer
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Javier Barroso wrote: [cut] > Apply the patch in a tmp directory and then use meld, vimdiff, or what you > like > Why should I do such operation? Only to satisfy some tools? I don't need/want to apply huge patches to huge source trees. I want to preview them separately. It is possible with kompare, so is possible in general. > I don't see the point of viewing a patch side-by-side, understanding > the format should be enough > It's a matter of personal preferences. I prefer viewing patches that way, I find it more convenient. Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=u+okzojdznnxfrcko-nclz=kh6e4v4c-h7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: why there is no sound output from the front audio pane
Dne, 04. 11. 2010 09:53:20 je Huasen napisal(a): On 11/04/2010 04:41 PM, Klistvud wrote: Have you made sure the front audio panel is actually connected to the motherboard audio headers? If this laptop has been serviced before, they may well have forgotten to re-attach the cables (happened to me with the mic cable once). Does the front audio panel work when you start the machine with a live CD, such as Ubuntu 10.4 or the newest Fedora/OpenSuSE/whatever? Although i have not tried that way, Im sure the cabe is connected to the motherboard well, because if I boot into windows xp, it will work as the back panel's. But, I usually use debian, not xp. Please keep this thread on the list, OK? There's no need to post me personally, I'm subscribed to the list. Now, back to the problem. I guess what you said rules out a hardware problem. Still, using a live CD or two would show us whether this is a problem related to Debian or to Linux in general. If the former, the new Debian coming out soon (Squeeze) could solve it for you. If the latter, I can only add these 2 cents: on my desktop machine with an Intel motherboard, the front audio headers require special (Windows-only, of course) software to fully work. They do work per se, but if you want to enable rear jack muting (so that your main speakers get muted when you plug in the headphones in the front audio jack), you have to install Windows, and load a special Windows driver. What I mean to say is, the industry is packed-full of non-standard, obfuscated and ill-intentioned tricks and quirks, designed so as to give the MS operating system a competitive edge. For example, shipping *only* Windows drivers with the hardware is one such strategy. Or, in many laptops ACPI is purposely not designed so as to follow the standard, but so as to be Microsoft-compatible. Somebody or something is apparently blackmailing hardware vendors so badly that they'd sooner break the standard than their compatibility with Windows. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1288861987.671...@compax
Re: improve screen resolution
On 03/11/2010 22:22, Richard Hector wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 20:03 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:01:40 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: Now that remains is a big thank you for a big effort from you to solve this. It was a learning experience for me. Thank you to other list members who suggested some tweaks. Regards Hey, don't give up so easily! :-) Let's return to the beginning... we have this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741 What we have here is a user using a computer like yours (or quite similar, it's a "Fujitsu Esprimo Mobile v5535"), running Squeeze (like you) and he can get a higher resolution with VESA driver (1280x800). So back to work, copy/paste the "xorg.conf" detailed in this message¹, restart the computer and check if you see any improvement. It might also be worth checking if the Suse installation, which IIRC works ok, has a good xorg.conf? Suse handles it differently it seems to me. There is not one xorg file some smaller ones like screen, monitor, devices, etc. Johan Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd2650c.9050...@telkomsa.net
Re: routing
Thank You for Your time and answer, Jesús, again: > Let's try again: > 1) What are the exact iptables rules you are trying? > I'd suggest trying this and only this (just for testing; once it's > working you can tie up them as needed): > /sbin/iptables -F > /sbin/iptables -t nat -F > /sbin/iptables -t mangle -F > > /sbin/iptables -X > /sbin/iptables -t nat -X > /sbin/iptables -t mangle -X > > /sbin/iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT > > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > Now, let's test it: > 2) Can you ping 10.10.10.10 from host2? Well. As I have shown already - the reason was in masquerading - as Peter E. has suggested. And this is answers the question, why opening total access (all chains policies to ACCEPT) did not work in my case. Jesús, thank You for Your much work in helping me. I do really appreciate this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd25c90.cc7e0e0a.0dfb.2...@mx.google.com
Re: Re (2): routing
Thank You for Your time and answer, Peter E.: > My network has masquerading. Thank You, it did the trick. But question still remains w/ me, Why in another situation, I had simply to specify in iptables (on host2, having only two NICs - not ppp) to forward packets from host1 to the world - w/o masquerading, and in this case (NIC and ppp) I had to make masquerade? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd25b1a.ce7c0e0a.0cf1.2...@mx.google.com
