date:20101209

Hi all,
I wanted to try out Songbird and/or deadbeef but somehow both
these programs don't seem to be there in Squeeze.

http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/

and

http://getsongbird.com/

Does anybody have any idea/clue about this one.

If you do reply, please CC me as well.
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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Bret Busby


On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:



Squeeze is in a pretty deep freeze.  When it is released as the new stable,
new upstream versions for many packages will be included.  Between that
release and the Wheezy release, few (if any) new upstream versions will be
introduced into stable.




Hello.

Firstly, thank you for your reply. It is quite helpful.

However, one question (and, I do realise that it can be regarded like 
the proverbial "how long is a piece of string?" question) -


can someone please advise when it is likely (not definite, but, likely), 
that that version of "stable" will be released?


Thank you in anticipation.

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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

2010-12-09 Thread Tom Furie


On 09/12/2010 18:46, shirish शिरीष wrote:


  I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
not go into wheezy.


As others have mentioned, though you might not have seen the replies if 
you weren't CC'd on them, you could change from 'testing' to 'squeeze' 
now as they are currently the same thing. Then when squeeze goes stable 
you could change to 'stable', this will allow you to track the stable 
distribution and it will upgrade to the next stable 'wheezy', when that 
is released.


Cheers,
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Re: setting up a network printer

2010-12-09 Thread Rob Hurle

Hi,

On 10 December 2010 15:19, Rick Pasotto  wrote:
> How do I configure a HL-4150CDN Brother printer?
>
> I have installed the hl4150cdnlpr-1.1.1-5.i386.deb and
> hl4150cdncupswrapper-1.1.1-5.i386.deb files from the Brother site.
> http://localhost:631 finds the printer and the correct printer driver.
>
> What is the ip address for the printer? How do I tell lp to use it as
> the default? The print dialog in AbiWord sees the printer but when I
> send something to it nothing prints (the job does show in the queue).

I've not configured this one, but have done HP and Canon printers.
Usually the printer will have an IP of something like 192.168.1.1, and
maybe wants user and passwords to access it like this (usually
admin/admin).  Once in there will usually be "network" tab and you can
set your own IP and mask here.  If it's on a home network you may need
to log into your router to see what IP the DHCP has handed out - I
reckon that it's best for printers (and other small servers) to have
fixed IPs on a home network, so you need to configure the router to do
this.

  Alternatively, some printers (e.g., HP) have a front panel display
and the IP and mask can be set there.

  Once you've got the IP you need to set CUPS up with that URI -
socket://192.168.

  Should work then.

Rob Hurle

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setting up a network printer

2010-12-09 Thread Rick Pasotto

How do I configure a HL-4150CDN Brother printer?

I have installed the hl4150cdnlpr-1.1.1-5.i386.deb and
hl4150cdncupswrapper-1.1.1-5.i386.deb files from the Brother site.
http://localhost:631 finds the printer and the correct printer driver.

What is the ip address for the printer? How do I tell lp to use it as
the default? The print dialog in AbiWord sees the printer but when I
send something to it nothing prints (the job does show in the queue).

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Re: Cannot mount floppy drive in Squeeze

2010-12-09 Thread Stephen Powell

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:35:25 -0500 (EST), Dom wrote:
> 
> Found the culprit. It's udisks-daemon and appears to be this bug:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592719
> "udisks prevents mounting of floppy disks".
> 
> Killing the udisks-daemon enabled mounting of the drive.
> 
> However, I suspect this is a different problem to the one the OP is 
> getting, as this only affects USB floppy drives, not "normal" ones.

I don't know.  My computer does not have a USB floppy drive, that's true.
It is a traditional AT-style floppy disk controller with two floppy
drives.  And I can no longer reproduce the problem.  Having a floppy
disk in the drive at boot time just once seems to have permanently
cured the problem.  Did a udev rule get created as a result of a
"ready" floppy drive at boot time?  I don't know.  But I don't think
there's much point in filing a bug report if I can no longer reproduce
the problem and I don't know what cured it.

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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

2010-12-09 Thread Tom Furie


On 09/12/2010 22:19, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:


As others have mentioned, though you might not have seen the replies if you
weren't CC'd on them, you could change from 'testing' to 'squeeze' now as
they are currently the same thing. Then when squeeze goes stable you could
change to 'stable', this will allow you to track the stable distribution and
it will upgrade to the next stable 'wheezy', when that is released.


Ehm, no. If you have 'squeeze' in your /etc/apt/sources.list it will
stay at 'squeeze' until you change 'squeeze' to something else, no
matter if debian moves beyond wheezy or not. In order to upgrade to
'wheezy' you'd have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list again (no big
deal for me).


Ehm, no, what? Re-read what I typed. Once squeeze is stable, changing 
your sources to stable means you will track stable, whether it is lenny, 
squeeze, wheezy, or whatever is coming after that.


Cheers,
Tom


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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-09 Thread Javier Barroso

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2010-12-09 18:55 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> I basically see two issues here:
>>
>> 1/ We lack? for a "recommended way/Debian way" for disabling scripts
>> (this thread is plenty of alternatives and tips for doing it but
>> documentation is not very clear on the matter). I think it is important
>> for an admin to know how to disable a service, is a must in his/her basic
>> day-to-day job list.
>
> There are many ways to do this in sysvinit, and which one works best
> depends on whether you want to be able to start the service manually.
>
>> 2/ Man page of "update-rc.d" provides a method for disabling scripts that
>> do not work.
>
> I filed a bug for that (http://bugs.debian.org/606505), proposing to use
> "update-rc.d foobar disable" instead.
Thanks filling that bug, I didn't have time to send it (and your
english is better than mine :) )

I hope this issue is clarified, I don't like ugly hacks in my debian systems !

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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

2010-12-09 Thread Johannes Wiedersich

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> At bottom :-
> 
> 2010/12/10 Tom Furie :
> 
> 
> 
>> As others have mentioned, though you might not have seen the replies if you
>> weren't CC'd on them, you could change from 'testing' to 'squeeze' now as
>> they are currently the same thing. Then when squeeze goes stable you could
>> change to 'stable', this will allow you to track the stable distribution and
>> it will upgrade to the next stable 'wheezy', when that is released.

Ehm, no. If you have 'squeeze' in your /etc/apt/sources.list it will
stay at 'squeeze' until you change 'squeeze' to something else, no
matter if debian moves beyond wheezy or not. In order to upgrade to
'wheezy' you'd have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list again (no big
deal for me).

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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

in-line :-

On 10/12/2010, David Jardine  wrote:

> Did you also reply to the email you received in reply to your request
> to be removed from the list?

Funny, you should ask that. After your mail, I scanned the spam and
there they were. All the confirm messages from smartlist asking me to
confirm that I wanted to be unsubscribed from debian-user list. I'm
guessing this is some google quirkiness at work. Would wait for some
more time to see if the coast has become clear.

Thank you again, everybody.
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Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-09 Thread Bob Proulx

Sven Joachim wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
> > It's safer to use insserv's override mechanism.
> 
> It's also more convenient.  If you edit the script itself, dpkg will
> pester you with its conffile prompt every time the maintainer changes
> something in the script.

In my case that pestering is a feature.  There are two cases.  In one
case I am doing something temporarily.  I don't want it permanently
disabled but just temporarily while I am hacking on something.  This
reminder from dpkg on the next package is good in that case because if
I am forgetful it reminds me I need to clean up that temporary hack.

The second case is on a Stable server.  In which case I am also
pestered every release about it.  And on Debian's release cycle
timeline that is a good interval to examine things and decide if I
need to keep that local modification or if I can avoid it.  Every two
years with the next Stable release is about the right time for that
type of work.  About every two years with the Stable release isn't
really an annoying level of pestering.

But I agree that for those running Sid with the frequent churn that
the routine pestering then would be annoying.  In which case if I
wanted something permanent I would probably remove the package.
Installation and removal are so trouble free and easy that I would
definitely just remove the package.  Or disabling with the symlinks is
okay too.  If the package were in a dependency chain or likely to come
back due to a dependency then leaving the configuration in the
symlinks would be the only way.

To be clear I am saying that I realize that there isn't only one use
model.  Different cases will want different ways of dealing with it.

Bob

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Re: problem installing Debian on dual boot with WinXP

2010-12-09 Thread Mark

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Freddie Exall wrote:

>
> I have to chip in that I've never had any such problem with gparted or grub
> with a winxp partition of >8GB (currently 30GB), with grub on MBR.
> Osprober's always done its job and gparted has served me well for as long as
> I've needed it. I've had this setup for a while (well, over a year anyway;)
> now so maybe something broke? Maybe I'm just lucky.
>

[snip]

Same here.  I use either 20 or 30 gb partitions for XP and have no problems
with grub or dual-booting.  Pretty sure it's a partition table thing and
someone already mentioned using cfdisk, which can be done from booting to
the Ubuntu Live CD before installing.

Mark

Re: problem installing Debian on dual boot with WinXP

2010-12-09 Thread Mark

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Freddie Exall wrote:

>
> I have to chip in that I've never had any such problem with gparted or grub
> with a winxp partition of >8GB (currently 30GB), with grub on MBR.
> Osprober's always done its job and gparted has served me well for as long as
> I've needed it. I've had this setup for a while (well, over a year anyway;)
> now so maybe something broke? Maybe I'm just lucky.
>

[snip]

Same here.  I use either 20 or 30 gb partitions for XP and have no problems
with grub or dual-booting.  Pretty sure it's a partition table thing and
someone already mentioned using cfdisk, which can be done from booting to
the Ubuntu Live CD before installing.

Mark

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On 2010-12-09 18:55 +0100, Camaleón wrote:

> I basically see two issues here:
>
> 1/ We lack? for a "recommended way/Debian way" for disabling scripts 
> (this thread is plenty of alternatives and tips for doing it but 
> documentation is not very clear on the matter). I think it is important 
> for an admin to know how to disable a service, is a must in his/her basic 
> day-to-day job list.

There are many ways to do this in sysvinit, and which one works best
depends on whether you want to be able to start the service manually.

> 2/ Man page of "update-rc.d" provides a method for disabling scripts that 
> do not work.

I filed a bug for that (http://bugs.debian.org/606505), proposing to use
"update-rc.d foobar disable" instead.

Thanks for the interesting thread,
Sven


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Re: problem installing Debian on dual boot with WinXP

2010-12-09 Thread Freddie Exall


On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Harry wrote:


I'm guessing that Gparted has divided your disk into one smaller disk which
is what the ubuntu partioner sees.
First thing I would try is to use cfdisk (available from a slackware or
Zenwalk distro to partion your disk correctly.Windows must be on primary and
only up to 8gb if you want to install lilo or grub in the MBR. The rest can
be split as you want.
Remember that for Ubuntu to see the partitions they must be mounted. Debian
5 does not mount windows partitions on the disk automatically so you cant
see them.
I've tried Xp co habiting with Linux and it's not easy to make it work with
only one 8GB partition.
Hope it helps you.


I have to chip in that I've never had any such problem with gparted or 
grub with a winxp partition of >8GB (currently 30GB), with grub on MBR. 
Osprober's always done its job and gparted has served me well for as long 
as I've needed it. I've had this setup for a while (well, over a year 
anyway;) now so maybe something broke? Maybe I'm just lucky.


Greetings,

Freddie


- Original Message -
From: "Bernard" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:46 AM
Subject: problem installing Debian on dual boot with WinXP



Hi to Everyone,

I wish to install Linux on a computer where MSWIN XP is already running.
I thought I would first resize (shrink) the windows partition so as to
create free space for Linux install. I did that, using GParted. Problem
is : at next step, when trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 with an iso CD,
the install system does not see any useful partition. It only sees
/dev/sda, while it should show /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. Using
"SystemRescueCD', I am able to mount both partitions and display their
size using 'df', but the Ubuntu install system does not see them.
Whether I format /dev/sda2 to ext2 or ntfs, or if I just leave the space
without formating, the Ubuntu install CD does not see any suitable space
for that purpose.

I came to wonder if, by any chance, my failure was due to that I did not
create a partition table. The GParted iso CD offers this possibility,
but then it warns you that creating a partition table will erase all
data in all partitions..

So, maybe I should first create a backup of the MSWIN partition using
Partimage, then run Gparted again and create a partition table, then
install Ubuntu (if the iso CD finds what it needs once a new partition
table is created), then restore the MSWIN saved partition... (or, maybe,
the way around, that is, first restore MSWIN and install Ubuntu next)

Prior to attempting such a risky process, I wish I had hints from those
who have already tested, since a number of questions still remain :

Is it allright to backup and restore a MSWIN partition ?   Will the
restored partition boot ?   How about the MBR ?   Shall I have to modify
GRUB so that both systems work ?

Thanks in advance for your help


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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

2010-12-09 Thread David Jardine

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 01:45:02AM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:

> 
> I tried unsubscribing by putting a mail twice over a period of 2.5 hours
> 
> debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
> 
> with the subject:unsubscribe
> 
> and still have been getting unwanted mail.
> 
> Now tried the web-interface and atleast there it does say it has
> unsubscribed me, have to check.
> 
> What is curious is why even after sending those mails I was receiving
> mails which shouldn't have come.
> 

Did you also reply to the email you received in reply to your request 
to be removed from the list?

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Re: getting corruption on iceweasel

in-line :-

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 02:11, Camaleón  wrote:



> (...)
>
> Ouch! Bad character encoding selection? Try with "utf-8" or "auto-detect/
> universal".

That one solved it, thank you.
> Greetings,
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Re: getting corruption on iceweasel

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:00:49 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:

>  At times in iceweasel I get corrupted web-pages as seen in
> http://picturepush.com/public/4661770 . Has anybody else seen such
> corruptions. If not, what could be the issue ?

(...)

Ouch! Bad character encoding selection? Try with "utf-8" or "auto-detect/
universal".

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Re: intel video problems

2010-12-09 Thread Klistvud


Dne, 09. 12. 2010 21:19:24 je FrankMcCormick napisal(a):


Just a note that my video problems with Intel video
are resolved after a couple of files were removed/modified
on my machine. See bug#606348



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getting corruption on iceweasel

Hi all,
 At times in iceweasel I get corrupted web-pages as seen in
http://picturepush.com/public/4661770 . Has anybody else seen such
corruptions. If not, what could be the issue ?

Any ideas/pointers would be nice. The iceweasel version I have is
3.5.15 (as I'm guessing everybody else also has that one) .

Also can anybody recommend any other good browsers which I can try
out. I tried the default Epiphany browser as well but that takes 100%
of memory as well.

Looking forward to inputs. Also if you are answering this thread,
please CC me as well.
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intel video problems

2010-12-09 Thread FrankMcCormick


Just a note that my video problems with Intel video
are resolved after a couple of files were removed/modified
on my machine. See bug#606348


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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

At bottom :-

2010/12/10 Tom Furie :



> As others have mentioned, though you might not have seen the replies if you
> weren't CC'd on them, you could change from 'testing' to 'squeeze' now as
> they are currently the same thing. Then when squeeze goes stable you could
> change to 'stable', this will allow you to track the stable distribution and
> it will upgrade to the next stable 'wheezy', when that is released.

Right cool, thank you everybody.

> Cheers,
> Tom

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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

In-line :-

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 23:37, Joel Roth  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 05:41:18PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:

Hi Joel,



> I've always thought it good etiquette to ask on the list
> *before* filing a bug report.

You are exactly right on that point I have to concede.

So now asking if another bug has to be filed or not.

I tried unsubscribing by putting a mail twice over a period of 2.5 hours

debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

with the subject:unsubscribe

and still have been getting unwanted mail.

Now tried the web-interface and atleast there it does say it has
unsubscribed me, have to check.

What is curious is why even after sending those mails I was receiving
mails which shouldn't have come.



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I let the signature stand to emphasize what I had done as well.
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2010-12-09 Thread GOZLEM MUHASEBE

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Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-09 Thread Matt Smith

thanks everybody for your help.

i've been using debian exclusively for years now and although i'm somewhat
familiar with bash, C++/Qt etc, networking is not my strong suit. Apologies
for being off topic, debuser just seemed like a community I could reach out
to.

Can someone please point their browser at 202.49.187.138 to help me
establish what exactly my isp has done?

I plan to read the network administrators guide. Are there other docs I
should look at as well?

Lastly, if I had one box for sharing, and one for personal work, should I
connect them both to the router, or put the personal box behind the other
one?

Ta, Matt.


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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:16:24 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:

>  I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
> one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
> not go into wheezy.

(...)

As soon as it gets released. Then you should have to change your 
repositories to "stable" (or better yet, set them now to "squeeze" as 
Robert suggested, to stick in there).

(...)

> As of date, we have only passed beta2 few days back so I'm guessing
> there would be some more time before we hit stable.

You should be following:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/

> Also does testing freeze for a day or two or just starts pulling in
> stuff from unstable ?

Dunno, this is also my first "release time" using Debian :-)
 
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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:48:32 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> What I do in such case is using the NNTP interface (Gmane¹) for both,
>> reading and posting, which alleviates me from storing a heap of e-mails
>> and also managing tons of filters ;-)
>> 
>> P.S. Most of Debian mailing lists do not require a subscription.
>> 
>> ¹http://gmane.org/
>> 
>> 
> But did you use gmane to post this response?

Yep, and also "this" (look into e-mail header) :-)

I send the message to Gmane NNTP servers and they re-inject it into 
Debian mailing list (it's a "mail to news/news to mail" gateway).

I don't know why news servers where dropped in favour of mailing lists, 
they are still great and very convenient when following several groups.

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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

2010-12-09 Thread Robert Brockway


On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, shirish शिरीष wrote:


Hi all,
I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
not go into wheezy.


I use the codenames (lenny, squeeze, etc) in sources.list.  This way it 
doesn't matter when they declare squeeze to be stable. 
If you use 'testing' then you could sail right on past squeeze if you 
didn't change it at just the right time.


If I want the system up dist-upgrade to a later version I have to 
explicitely edit sources.list, which is just fine.


Cheers,

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Re: debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (gdm problem?)

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Koellner

I switched between xdm and gdm, and the problem with unresponsive window manager and 
locked in focused window seems to go away with that, though I am not totally sure. Inbetween,
it worked with gdm for a short time, but on the second try I started a terminal window and iceweasel/firefox 
in quick succession from the panel, and afterwards could not switch or move windows or use the panel again for some time.

Now I have configured xdm as default window manager and until now there have 
not been any problems.
The virtual console problem is still there, I guess there is some problem with the 16:9 geometry there, 
but I have no idea where to start searching.




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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

2010-12-09 Thread Joao Ferreira gmail


this is what I use

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main
contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze  main
contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates   main
contrib non-free

j



On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 00:23 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> At bottom :-
> 
> On 10/12/2010, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >  I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
> > one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
> > not go into wheezy.
> >
> > Below is the sources.list I have.
> >
> > # Debian Main
> > deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> >
> > # Debian Security
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
> >
> > # Debian-Multimedia.org Repository
> > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free
> >
> > As of date, we have only passed beta2 few days back so I'm guessing
> > there would be some more time before we hit stable.
> >
> > Also does testing freeze for a day or two or just starts pulling in
> > stuff from unstable ?
> >
> > I am asking so I and many newbies would be clear to what it would entail.
> 
> Please CC me when replying.
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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

2010-12-09 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:30:04 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:

(...)


Now I know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a high-volume list and
can easily overwhelm a guy like me. Hence I was looking for a way to
subscribe to the list, send mails and still not receive mails other than
if guys explicitly address me either in To: , or in CC: . I have seen
this functionality in most of mailing lists which are run by Mailman
where I can do like that.


(...)

You can achieve that by creating/using your own local e-mail filters 
(procmail, sieve, embedded MUA filtering...), and then delete/send to 
trash messages that match your rules *but* you'll lose many posts (this 
one, for instance) ;-(


What I do in such case is using the NNTP interface (Gmane¹) for both, 
reading and posting, which alleviates me from storing a heap of e-mails 
and also managing tons of filters ;-)


P.S. Most of Debian mailing lists do not require a subscription.

¹http://gmane.org/



But did you use gmane to post this response?

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Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

2010-12-09 Thread S Scharf

2010/12/9 shirish शिरीष 

> Hi all,
>  I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
> one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
> not go into wheezy.
>
> Below is the sources.list I have.
>
> # Debian Main
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
>
> # Debian Security
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
>
> # Debian-Multimedia.org Repository
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free
>
> As of date, we have only passed beta2 few days back so I'm guessing
> there would be some more time before we hit stable.
>
> Also does testing freeze for a day or two or just starts pulling in
> stuff from unstable ?
>
> I am asking so I and many newbies would be clear to what it would entail.
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>

Don't go from testing to stable, go from testing to squeeze, and you can do
that now.

Stuart

Re: when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

At bottom :-

On 10/12/2010, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> Hi all,
>  I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
> one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
> not go into wheezy.
>
> Below is the sources.list I have.
>
> # Debian Main
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
>
> # Debian Security
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
>
> # Debian-Multimedia.org Repository
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free
>
> As of date, we have only passed beta2 few days back so I'm guessing
> there would be some more time before we hit stable.
>
> Also does testing freeze for a day or two or just starts pulling in
> stuff from unstable ?
>
> I am asking so I and many newbies would be clear to what it would entail.

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when does one change from testing to stable in sources.list

Hi all,
 I know it probably is still a long road but want to know when should
one change from testing to stable so that one is living in squeeze and
not go into wheezy.

Below is the sources.list I have.

# Debian Main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

# Debian Security
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free

# Debian-Multimedia.org Repository
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free

As of date, we have only passed beta2 few days back so I'm guessing
there would be some more time before we hit stable.

Also does testing freeze for a day or two or just starts pulling in
stuff from unstable ?

I am asking so I and many newbies would be clear to what it would entail.
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debian testing amd64: X windows trouble after todays updates. (gdm problem?)

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Koellner


Hi!

I am running a lenovo thinkpad T510 with debian testing. after doing a
maintenance package update today, I discovered that the gnome desktop locked
up frequently. That is, the current foreground application still gets
mouse and keypoard input, but window manager and gnome panel
funcionality went dead. Occasionally responsiveness came back, but I
could not really reproduce that. 
Next thing what happened was when I switched to console I discovered

that the console ran out a few lines at the bottom, so I could not see
the current line. I guess this is a different problem not necessarily
connected and could be older since I did not use console mode for a
couple of weeks.

After doing a few reboots and trials I switched gdm over to a twm
session. TWM got the same problem, locking me in after opening an xterm, 
which I could not even resize afterwards. After a while and some
random key/mousebutton combinations, it worked again for some time 
but not for long. I could not reproduce the circumstances of failure,

but apart from the xterm window itself the window manager does not
seem to be responsive.

Unfortunately the thing is conected via WLAN and this Gnome network
thingy does not bother to start the connection from console, so the
laptop is now disconnected until I figure out how to configure
wpa_supplicant again without that gnome-based stuff..

Basic data:

uname -a
Linux kropotkin 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:02:11 UTC 2010
x86_64 GNU/Linux

lspci tells me:
VGA: nVidia Corp. GT218 [NVS 3100M]

Display size: 1920x1080
nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 version 195.36.31+2
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 version 195.36.31+2

all the other nvidia modules show version 195.36.31-6

In top, I see Xorg at 85% CPU usage, twm around 40%.
After leaving xterm, twm seems to want to place some new window i
cancelled long ago. It seems that Xwindows switched to modal windows
somehow...

then I have shut down gdm and started X manually from console by
startx. This seems to work even with gnome so I suspect it might be a gdm 
problem.



I can provide more details as soon as I have the laptop itself
reconnected to the net.
The effect started after updating packages about four hours ago. I am
not sure which package is the culprit, but it has to be a recent change
somewhere.
I'll now put together the list of installed packages. and more
information.

So where should I go next to report the problem?

Replies to me in CC. please.

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Re: parsing problem

2010-12-09 Thread Joao Ferreira gmail

cool :)

u'r wellcome glad to help...

I'm much more an asker on this list, rather than a responder...

glad to be of some help for a change :)

cheers
j

BTW: Perl rules ! Most incredible language in the World. !



On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:47 -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
> Wonderful  Works like a charm.
> 
> 
> A few year ago I used Perl a lot but I lost my hand at it.
> Your idea of Perl helped me to fix another problem with the same file:
> non-breaking space.
> Perl and \xA0 fixed it for me.
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot Joao,
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Joao Ferreira gmail
>  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 11:33 -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > I have long strings to parse which have permanent and
> variable
> > information.  Somewhere in the strings we have something
> like  "
> > Handle: 0x12a7 ".  Handle is permanent and 0x12a7 is
> variable.  I
> > wish to be able to extract the variable part (0x12a7) and
> assign it to
> > a variable.
> >
> 
> 
> I'dd use Perl I love Perl and I don't know any other
> language
> appropriate for this :)
> 
> j...@squeeje:~$ cat string.txt
> foo bar abc 123 Handle: 0x12a7 some more things
> zoo zar Handle: 0x12a7 and more stuff
> 
> j...@squeeje:~$ cat string.txt  | perl -e 'while (<>) {if
> (/Handle:\s+(\S
> +)/){$line++; $your_variable = $1; print "$line $your_variable
> \n"; }};'
> 
> 1 0x12a7
> 2 0x12a7
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea how to extract this information?
> >
> >
> > I think awk might be the tool to use but I not too good at
> it yet.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

2010-12-09 Thread Joel Roth

On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 05:41:18PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> shirish शिरीष:
> >
> > Now I know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a high-volume list and
> > can easily overwhelm a guy like me. Hence I was looking for a way to
> > subscribe to the list, send mails and still not receive mails other
> > than if guys explicitly address me either in To: , or in CC: . I have
> > seen this functionality in most of mailing lists which are run by
> > Mailman where I can do like that.
> 
> As fas as I know, Debian lists don't use mailman. But either way:
> everybody can send mail to the lists, you don't have to be a subscriber.
> It's just a good idea to subscribe to the no-traffic-list "whitelist" in
> order to make it past the spam filters:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/whitelist/
> 
> > I did the next thing I could think of - filed the bug/issue
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606466
> 
> You placed the request at exactly the right place, it's just that I
> think you can achieve what you want without actually subscribing to any
> list at all.

I've always thought it good etiquette to ask on the list
*before* filing a bug report.
 
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Re: parsing problem

2010-12-09 Thread Bernard Fay

Wonderful  Works like a charm.

A few year ago I used Perl a lot but I lost my hand at it.
Your idea of Perl helped me to fix another problem with the same file:
non-breaking space.
Perl and \xA0 fixed it for me.

Thanks a lot Joao,
Bernard


On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Joao Ferreira gmail <
joao.miguel.c.ferre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 11:33 -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > I have long strings to parse which have permanent and variable
> > information.  Somewhere in the strings we have something like  "
> > Handle: 0x12a7 ".  Handle is permanent and 0x12a7 is variable.  I
> > wish to be able to extract the variable part (0x12a7) and assign it to
> > a variable.
> >
>
> I'dd use Perl I love Perl and I don't know any other language
> appropriate for this :)
>
> j...@squeeje:~$ cat string.txt
> foo bar abc 123 Handle: 0x12a7 some more things
> zoo zar Handle: 0x12a7 and more stuff
>
> j...@squeeje:~$ cat string.txt  | perl -e 'while (<>) {if (/Handle:\s+(\S
> +)/){$line++; $your_variable = $1; print "$line $your_variable\n"; }};'
>
> 1 0x12a7
> 2 0x12a7
>
>
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea how to extract this information?
> >
> >
> > I think awk might be the tool to use but I not too good at it yet.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bernard
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-09 Thread Joel Roth

On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 04:50:52AM -0500, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Joel Roth  wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 08:24:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> >> On 2010-12-07 17:21 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> 
> >> > A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so
> >> > it doesn't run on start up. I wanted to keep NM installed (just in case)
> >> > but preferred to use the old "ifup" network setup method.
> >> >
> >> > So I issued "update-rc.d network-manager remove" and also disabled gnome
> >> > NM applet from being started.
> >>
> >> You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
> >> update-rc.d(8).
> >
> > With that approach, how can you get a list of
> > services that have been disabled using updated-rc.d?
> 
> Not AFAIK. But you can use "service --status-all" to get some idea...

Hi,

It returns three results

[+]
[?]
[-]

But the docs do not document what these codes signify.

> > btw, I am curious that Debian now has several ways to enable/disable
> > services.
> >
> > - installing/removing the package with apt-get
> > - editing the /etc/default/servicename file
> > - managing the symlinks with update-rc.d
> > - the permissions of the /etc/init.d/servicename script
> 
> I couldn't agree less with your list. :)

I'm not sure I *agree* with my list as a good way to
accomplish the goal. Rather as complicating the process
of troubleshooting services for a green administrator.
(Many people running Debian consider themselves *users*.)

> > - installing/removing the package with apt-get
> It doesn't work for someone who wants to disable samba or
> nfs-kernel-server in some locations and enable it in others.
> 
> > - editing the /etc/default/servicename file
> I can't think of anything other than bootlogd that meets this criterion.

There are others. Sort of like a shadow government--you
want to do something, but nothing happens till certain
significant yet hidden people say "yes".

(Well, if I don't like it, I suppose I can find some debian-policy
list to flame. :-)

> > - managing the symlinks with update-rc.d
> Yes, although I'm not convinced that Squeeze/Sid with insserv and
> concurrency booting.

I haven't tested it either, however this method has been the bulk
of the discussion on the current thread.

> > - the permissions of the /etc/init.d/servicename script
> It's a hack (as was the "exit 0" suggestion) that'll only work if
> there's a box has a single admin and the package that owns a script
> doesn't overwrite it through an update/upgrade.

I believe the package manager (although not necessarily a
sleepy-eyed administrator) will notice difference in
permissions or file contents from the package supplied
script.

btw, I couldn't disagree with you more :-) in that using 
permissions is certainly a legitimate way to administer a system.

What better methods could you suggest? Or are you suggesting
we need yet another?

Best,

Joel

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Re: parsing problem

2010-12-09 Thread Axel Freyn

Hi
On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 11:33:13AM -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have long strings to parse which have permanent and variable information.
>  Somewhere in the strings we have something like  " Handle: 0x12a7
> ".  Handle is permanent and 0x12a7 is variable.  I wish to be able to
> extract the variable part (0x12a7) and assign it to a variable.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea how to extract this information?
Beside the perl-proposal: it depends what you want to do then with the
data... You can already do it with sed: The sed-script 
s/.*Handle: \(0x[0-9a-f]*\) .*/\1/
does exactly this. I tell sed:
 - s//.../: replace the expression between the first two slashes by
   the one between the second two
 - the ".*" means: arbitrary characters --- so the first and the last
   part are ignored
 - then i NEED the exact expression "Handle: "
 - after that, "0x" followed by an arbitrary long sequence of digits
   and letters a to f. This part ist "combined" (this is done by
   "\(...\)" and referenced as "first variable".
 - then this expression is replaces by this first variable:

Now, if you send your strings to the standard input of sed, it will
write the variable into its output:

echo "bla bla bla Handle: 0x12a7 bla bla bla" | sed -e 's/.*Handle: 
\(0x[0-9a-f]*\) .*/\1/'

gives: 

0x12a7


HTH,

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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:33:20 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 08:15:08AM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:37:19 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2010-12-08 23:41 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
>> >>> update-rc.d(8).
>> >> I think update-rc.d manpage should then change example which
>> >> Camaleon referenced in her solved post:
>> >>
>> >> Example of disabling a service:
>> >>   update-rc.d -f foobar remove
>> >>   update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
>> > 
>> > That does still work.
>> 
>> Not for me. Read:
>> 
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00482.html
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00494.html
>> 
>> Or maybe I missed something... again? :-)
> 
> I have not checked recommended way under new concurrent boot system.

Is there is a recommended way? Please tell :-)
 
> But /etc/init.d/foobar is conffile.  This means changes you make is
> preserved and respected.  Whay not insert "exit 0" at the top to disable
> them.  The script is started but does nothing.
> 
> This is a dirty but simple work around :-)
> 
> Anyway, you can be root.  You can do anything.

I basically see two issues here:

1/ We lack? for a "recommended way/Debian way" for disabling scripts 
(this thread is plenty of alternatives and tips for doing it but 
documentation is not very clear on the matter). I think it is important 
for an admin to know how to disable a service, is a must in his/her basic 
day-to-day job list.

2/ Man page of "update-rc.d" provides a method for disabling scripts that 
do not work.

I know a new init boot system is to come (systemd?), but that should not 
be an excuse to do not care on the "mature" one O:-)

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Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread shawn wilson

If you're debugging something, I can understand paying attention to this.
However I see ~1 page of stuff scroll by on my console on a daily basis and
I don't worry about it unless something is messing up. It's sorta like
keeping 'tail -f /car/log/kern'.

It's interesting and if I'm bored I might google on something out of
curiosity. But I've never found anything I felt like or even could do
anything about.

That said, one or two seemed to be service issues so you can look into what
those might be and mess with launchctl and associated plist files. You might
also want to reload these services with launchctl so that you can give it
its own log file and maybe make logging more verbose.

Also, if you find a decent mac mailing list or other forum, let me know.
Thanks

How to know about new/fixed packages in Debian Squeeze ?

Hi all,
  Now this might come as a bit of I don't know what after that nice
intro. I had tried to install Debian some 4-6 years back and due to it
being so hard gave up. Then went to Ubuntu sometime and now back.

This background info. is/was necessary as I might ask
queries/questions coming from that background.

In Ubuntu they have a nice page where the newest packages within a
release can be known. For e.g. now its Natty (11.04) hence
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty . If I want to distill down I can
go all the way to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/amd64/+builds (my
architecture :)) and know which packages were successfully built.

Is there anyway to know the latest packages available within
testing/Squeeze on some central location/webpage ?

While I can do $sudo apt-get update and get that info. I'm on a mirror
and mirrors take time to get the files distributed. Also I don't want
to put any load on the main server and happy downloading a little
later but would like to know if there is a specific webpage where such
details can be ascertained.

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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

in-line :-

On 09/12/2010, Jochen Schulz  wrote:

> As fas as I know, Debian lists don't use mailman. But either way:
> everybody can send mail to the lists, you don't have to be a subscriber.
> It's just a good idea to subscribe to the no-traffic-list "whitelist" in
> order to make it past the spam filters:

First of all thank you all for your kind inputs. I did as pointed out.

a. Subscribed to whitelist-requ...@lists.debian.org with subject:subscribe
b. Unsubscribed from debian-user by doing
debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with subject:unsubscribe.

Testing this part as well.

> http://lists.debian.org/whitelist/

Thank you for the info.

>> I did the next thing I could think of - filed the bug/issue
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606466
>
> You placed the request at exactly the right place, it's just that I
> think you can achieve what you want without actually subscribing to any
> list at all.

The thing/issue was because its not as explicit as I wanted to know.
After the discussion above I went (again) to
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ and do see the "To send an email
to a list, simply send it to the submission address."

Now I don't want to get all hypothetical but don't know if you do get
a bounce-message if a list explicity needs subscription.

Thank you all for your patience. My issue has been resolved. If
somebody does add comments or wants to say something don't forget to
CC me in as well.

> J.
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> landscapes.
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>  

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Re: Monitoring AutoFS in SNMP

2010-12-09 Thread Brian

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Brian  wrote:

> From: Brian 
> Subject: Monitoring AutoFS in SNMP
> To: "Debian User" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:00 AM
> I am trying to find a MIB to monitor
> AutoFS but everything I find is tied to the current pid
> AutoFS is running under which of course changes each time it
> is restarted making it useless as a monitoring metric.
> 
> Has anyone setup SNMP to monitor AutoFS or a similar type
> of daemon on a Debain system?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian
> 

I ran across the solution to this and thought I would share it.  

By default Debian systems are not configured to have processes monitored by 
SNMP but it can be enabled by editing the /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf file.  To do so 
look for the Process checks section about a third of the way down in the file 
and to monitor autofs you would enter something like this:

proc automount

You can do something more sophisticated if you wish but it is not necessary.  
There is plenty of documentation within the snmpd.conf file that you really 
don't have to go anywhere else for more information in most applications.  

Once again the Debian developers have made it so blatantly obvious that I 
completely missed it.  I am sure the package maintainer is shaking their fist 
at the sky yelling, "Just how simple do I have to make it!"

Debian is the best.

Thanks all,

Brian

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Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Simon Hollenbach

> OK. Will review the tiger mailing list.
Didnt he write there is none active anymore?

Re: parsing problem

2010-12-09 Thread ghe


On 12/9/10 9:33 AM, Bernard Fay wrote:


I think awk might be the tool to use but I not too good at it yet.


How's your Perl?

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Re: parsing problem

2010-12-09 Thread Joao Ferreira gmail

On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 11:33 -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I have long strings to parse which have permanent and variable
> information.  Somewhere in the strings we have something like  "
> Handle: 0x12a7 ".  Handle is permanent and 0x12a7 is variable.  I
> wish to be able to extract the variable part (0x12a7) and assign it to
> a variable.  
> 

I'dd use Perl I love Perl and I don't know any other language
appropriate for this :)

j...@squeeje:~$ cat string.txt
foo bar abc 123 Handle: 0x12a7 some more things
zoo zar Handle: 0x12a7 and more stuff

j...@squeeje:~$ cat string.txt  | perl -e 'while (<>) {if (/Handle:\s+(\S
+)/){$line++; $your_variable = $1; print "$line $your_variable\n"; }};'

1 0x12a7
2 0x12a7


> 
> Does anyone have an idea how to extract this information?
> 
> 
> I think awk might be the tool to use but I not too good at it yet. 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bernard
> 
> 



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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

2010-12-09 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman

Op 09-12-10 11:15, Camaleón schreef:
> On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:30:04 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: 
>> Now I know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a high-volume list and
>> can easily overwhelm a guy like me. Hence I was looking for a way to
>> subscribe to the list, send mails and still not receive mails other than
>> if guys explicitly address me either in To: , or in CC: . I have seen
>> this functionality in most of mailing lists which are run by Mailman
>> where I can do like that.
> You can achieve that by creating/using your own local e-mail filters 
> (procmail, sieve, embedded MUA filtering...), and then delete/send to 
> trash messages that match your rules *but* you'll lose many posts (this 
> one, for instance) ;-(
This sounds overly complicated. Just do as the P.S. from Camaleón says:
don't register, you don't need to. Ask in the mail explicitly to be
CC'd, people usually follow such requests.
Of course, a better option is to subscribe, and use one of the local
mail filters to send all mails with
 List-Id: 
to a special map. Then, the mails don't clutter your other mails, and
you'll have your local copy of the gmane advertised below.
Google for the rules of your favourite filter.
> What I do in such case is using the NNTP interface (Gmane¹) for both, 
> reading and posting, which alleviates me from storing a heap of e-mails 
> and also managing tons of filters ;-)
Which is the preferred option by quite a few souls on this list.

Sjoerd
> P.S. Most of Debian mailing lists do not require a subscription.
> 
> ¹http://gmane.org/



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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-09 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 08:15:08AM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:37:19 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> 
> > On 2010-12-08 23:41 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
> >>> update-rc.d(8).
> >> I think update-rc.d manpage should then change example which Camaleon
> >> referenced in her solved post:
> >>
> >> Example of disabling a service:
> >>   update-rc.d -f foobar remove
> >>   update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
> > 
> > That does still work.
> 
> Not for me. Read:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00482.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00494.html
> 
> Or maybe I missed something... again? :-)

I have not checked recommended way under new concurrent boot system.

But /etc/init.d/foobar is conffile.  This means changes you make is
preserved and respected.  Whay not insert "exit 0" at the top to disable
them.  The script is started but does nothing.

This is a dirty but simple work around :-)

Anyway, you can be root.  You can do anything.

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parsing problem

2010-12-09 Thread Bernard Fay

Hi,

I have long strings to parse which have permanent and variable information.
 Somewhere in the strings we have something like  " Handle: 0x12a7
".  Handle is permanent and 0x12a7 is variable.  I wish to be able to
extract the variable part (0x12a7) and assign it to a variable.

Does anyone have an idea how to extract this information?

I think awk might be the tool to use but I not too good at it yet.

Thanks,
Bernard

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-09 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2010-12-09 09:15 +0100, Camaleón wrote:


On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:37:19 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:


On 2010-12-08 23:41 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
update-rc.d(8).

I think update-rc.d manpage should then change example which Camaleon
referenced in her solved post:

Example of disabling a service:
  update-rc.d -f foobar remove
  update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .

That does still work.

Not for me. Read:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00482.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00494.html

Or maybe I missed something... again? :-)


No, now that I tested it I have to admit you're absolutely right.  It
seems that update-rc.d actually uses the LSB headers and ignores the
command line arguments.  I'm not sure that this is intended.



I think it is, from the manpage:

update-rc.d  has  two modes of operation for installing scripts into the 
boot sequence.  A legacy mode where command line arguments are used to 
decide the sequence and runlevel configuration, and the default mode 
where dependency  and runlevel information in the init.d script LSB 
comment header is used instead.


Hugo


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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

2010-12-09 Thread Jochen Schulz

shirish शिरीष:
>
> Now I know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a high-volume list and
> can easily overwhelm a guy like me. Hence I was looking for a way to
> subscribe to the list, send mails and still not receive mails other
> than if guys explicitly address me either in To: , or in CC: . I have
> seen this functionality in most of mailing lists which are run by
> Mailman where I can do like that.

As fas as I know, Debian lists don't use mailman. But either way:
everybody can send mail to the lists, you don't have to be a subscriber.
It's just a good idea to subscribe to the no-traffic-list "whitelist" in
order to make it past the spam filters:

http://lists.debian.org/whitelist/

> I did the next thing I could think of - filed the bug/issue
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606466

You placed the request at exactly the right place, it's just that I
think you can achieve what you want without actually subscribing to any
list at all.

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Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Craicovik

OK. Will review the tiger mailing list.
Thank you very much.


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Re: [OT] Mail list issue.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:30:04 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:

(...)

> Now I know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a high-volume list and
> can easily overwhelm a guy like me. Hence I was looking for a way to
> subscribe to the list, send mails and still not receive mails other than
> if guys explicitly address me either in To: , or in CC: . I have seen
> this functionality in most of mailing lists which are run by Mailman
> where I can do like that.

(...)

You can achieve that by creating/using your own local e-mail filters 
(procmail, sieve, embedded MUA filtering...), and then delete/send to 
trash messages that match your rules *but* you'll lose many posts (this 
one, for instance) ;-(

What I do in such case is using the NNTP interface (Gmane¹) for both, 
reading and posting, which alleviates me from storing a heap of e-mails 
and also managing tons of filters ;-)

P.S. Most of Debian mailing lists do not require a subscription.

¹http://gmane.org/

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[OT] Mail list issue.

Hi all,
   Newbie here. I installed Debian Squeeze few days back. While
there are issues and would also talk/share about them in the near
future, I subscribed today to the debian-user@lists.debian.org .

Now I know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a high-volume list and
can easily overwhelm a guy like me. Hence I was looking for a way to
subscribe to the list, send mails and still not receive mails other
than if guys explicitly address me either in To: , or in CC: . I have
seen this functionality in most of mailing lists which are run by
Mailman where I can do like that.

I went through http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ and also sent a
mail to majord...@lists.debian.org with 'help' but it didn't help with
my specific situation.

I did the next thing I could think of - filed the bug/issue
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606466

While it might not be the right corner as its not about Debian - the
OS and more about Debian - The Project, if its good, answer here, if
you guys think there's a better place to ask this please post a
pointer to that.

Apologies for putting off-topic [OT] as my first mail to the mailing list.
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Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Simon Hollenbach

>   --WARN-- [cron005w] Use of cron is not restricted
Tiger supposes you limit the use of cron to some point, e.g. let only root 
edit/run it. Refer to the cron manual for how to do that, I guess.
> --WARN-- [root003w] Root user has message capability turned on.
Now it wants you to turn off the ability of root to send/receive mail. This 
means the debian-intern mails, the ones you get notified about when logging in 
via shell.

As someone pointed out already and I can confirm for the two above, I dont see 
how this is a security risk.

Not much of a clue about the other ones, sry.

Regards
Simon

Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Jochen Schulz

Craicovik:
>
>   The information of tigexp is not enougth for understand the problem.

I wanted to recommend the tiger-user mailing list, but tiger appears to
be dead and the last message in the list archive is from September 2009.
:-/

> I have the following message in my tiger report:
> 
>  --WARN-- [cron005w] Use of cron is not restricted
> --WARN-- [dev003w] The directory /dev/char resides in a device
> directory.
> --WARN-- [root003w] Root user has message capability turned on.
> --WARN-- [misc021w] There are no umask entries in /etc/init.d/rcS

I'd say these are harmless, but then I don't know what problem you are
trying to solve and I don't really know why tiger thinks any of these
is a security problem.

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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:07:11 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> The warning can be ignored but the service levels are not touched and
>> it does not work as expected (meaning, the service is not disabled at
>> all).
> 
> It was silly of me to say that the warning can be ignored given that my
> own testing showed that nothing was done...

The warning can be ignored (see my last "solved" marked message):

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00505.html

The warning is still there but it works.

>>> Furthermore, how does insserv deal with the scripts if you assign S20
>>> to network-manager and it depends on a service that insserv has
>>> numbered S21?
>>
>> It can be tweaked or so it says man page :-)
> 
> Which man page? Since you're using update-rc.d, of course you can assign
> a start number higher than 21 with update-rc.d if a service depends on a
> service that insserv has numbered 21. My point was more "how do you know
> the highest start number that insserv has assigned to a service that
> service that you're editing depends upon?"

You can look at the /etc/init.d/* folder and in the scripts headers.
 
>>> If you're using Squeeze/Sid and therefore have an insserv-controlled
>>> boot-process, why not use an insserv solution?
>>>
>>> There's more typing to be done but it works.
>>
>> Simple, because it wasn't the advertized method for doing it.
> 
> man insserv

I can't see there how to disable a service nor examples on how to achieve 
it  :-?

>>> I've just tried "update-rc.d -f remove nfs-kernel-server; update-rc.d
>>> nfs-kernel server stop 2 3 4 5 ." and rebooted to find that
>>> nfs-kernel-server is still running.
>>
>> Yep. But you missed the level number.
> 
> The level number isn't needed.

The example command in man page makes use of it, but it neither works :-/

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Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Craicovik

Hi:
  The information of tigexp is not enougth for understand the problem.
I have the following message in my tiger report:

 --WARN-- [cron005w] Use of cron is not restricted
--WARN-- [dev003w] The directory /dev/char resides in a device
directory.
--WARN-- [root003w] Root user has message capability turned on.
--WARN-- [misc021w] There are no umask entries in /etc/init.d/rcS

I to look for that, but I not find solutions in google or in this
group.

Can you help me please?.


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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:54:11 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> Whenever I use update-rc.d on a sid box to stop/remove/disable, I get a
>> "using concurrency based boot sequencing" message with a warning about
>> runlevels.
>>
>> It's just a warning so I guess that it's OK but I don't like it and now
>> avoid update-rc.d.
>
> The warning can be ignored but the service levels are not touched and it
> does not work as expected (meaning, the service is not disabled at all).

It was silly of me to say that the warning can be ignored given that
my own testing showed that nothing was done...


>> Furthermore, how does insserv deal with the scripts if you assign S20 to
>> network-manager and it depends on a service that insserv has numbered
>> S21?
>
> It can be tweaked or so it says man page :-)

Which man page? Since you're using update-rc.d, of course you can
assign a start number higher than 21 with update-rc.d if a service
depends on a service that insserv has numbered 21. My point was more
"how do you know the highest start number that insserv has assigned to
a service that service that you're editing depends upon?"


 The best way that I've found to deviate from the LSB headers is to use
 "/etc/insserv/overrides/".
>>>
>>> I'll have to test that, but first I would like to know if there is
>>> another method to get the job done. I'd like to understand what I am
>>> doing wrong.
>>
>> If you're using Squeeze/Sid and therefore have an insserv-controlled
>> boot-process, why not use an insserv solution?
>>
>> There's more typing to be done but it works.
>
> Simple, because it wasn't the advertized method for doing it.

man insserv


>> I've just tried "update-rc.d -f remove nfs-kernel-server; update-rc.d
>> nfs-kernel server stop 2 3 4 5 ." and rebooted to find that
>> nfs-kernel-server is still running.
>
> Yep. But you missed the level number.

The level number isn't needed.


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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.

In , Peter 
Tenenbaum wrote:
>PS:  I think this is the first time I'm answering a Debian question, rather
>than asking it...

Thanks for doing so!
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Re: current state of DFS support for cifs ??

2010-12-09 Thread Γιώργος Πάλλας

On 09/12/2010 01:00 μμ, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 11:39:05AM +0200, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
>> mount a cifs share which has DFS enabled. I read that after 2.6.26, DFS
>> support for cifs was streamlined into the kernel, yet I can't get it to
>> work:
>
> Do you have installed the package keyutils? It is needed for DFS.
>
> Shade and sweet water!
>
> Stephan
>

worked! I only found mentioning of keyutils at a blog post, but nowhere
in the documentation... Anyway...

thanks for the solution!

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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:54:11 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Mmm... man page says by using "defaults" the service should be put in
>> sequence number 20 (unless there are any conflicts):
>>
>> t...@debian:~$ ls -l /etc/rc* | grep network-manager 
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 K01network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 K01network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager 
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager 
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager 
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager 
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 K01network-manager -> 
>> ../init.d/network-manager
>>
>> And so it seems to be :-?
> 
> Did you do the above on a Lenny or Squeeze/Sid box?

Squeeze.

> Whenever I use update-rc.d on a sid box to stop/remove/disable, I get a
> "using concurrency based boot sequencing" message with a warning about
> runlevels.
> 
> It's just a warning so I guess that it's OK but I don't like it and now
> avoid update-rc.d.

The warning can be ignored but the service levels are not touched and it 
does not work as expected (meaning, the service is not disabled at all).
 
> Furthermore, how does insserv deal with the scripts if you assign S20 to
> network-manager and it depends on a service that insserv has numbered
> S21?

It can be tweaked or so it says man page :-)

>>> The best way that I've found to deviate from the LSB headers is to use
>>> "/etc/insserv/overrides/".
>>
>> I'll have to test that, but first I would like to know if there is
>> another method to get the job done. I'd like to understand what I am
>> doing wrong.
> 
> If you're using Squeeze/Sid and therefore have an insserv-controlled
> boot-process, why not use an insserv solution?
> 
> There's more typing to be done but it works.

Simple, because it wasn't the advertized method for doing it.
 
> I've just tried "update-rc.d -f remove nfs-kernel-server; update-rc.d
> nfs-kernel server stop 2 3 4 5 ." and rebooted to find that
> nfs-kernel-server is still running.

Yep. But you missed the level number.
 
> I've also just tried "update-rc.d -f disable nfs-kernel-server" and
> rebooted to find that nfs-kernel-server is still running.

Then -Houston- we have additional problems.

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Re: current state of DFS support for cifs ??

2010-12-09 Thread Stephan Seitz


On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 11:39:05AM +0200, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:

mount a cifs share which has DFS enabled. I read that after 2.6.26, DFS
support for cifs was streamlined into the kernel, yet I can't get it to
work:


Do you have installed the package keyutils? It is needed for DFS.

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Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On 2010-12-09 09:59 +0100, Tom H wrote:

> Even though someone posted earlier in this thread that updates respect
> editing "/etc/init.d" files, I'm not convinced that all packages
> behave that way.

Every package that does not is RC-buggy; I don't think there are many
such bugs.

> It's safer to use insserv's override mechanism.

It's also more convenient.  If you edit the script itself, dpkg will
pester you with its conffile prompt every time the maintainer changes
something in the script.

Sven

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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Joel Roth  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 08:24:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2010-12-07 17:21 +0100, Camaleón wrote:


>> > A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so
>> > it doesn't run on start up. I wanted to keep NM installed (just in case)
>> > but preferred to use the old "ifup" network setup method.
>> >
>> > So I issued "update-rc.d network-manager remove" and also disabled gnome
>> > NM applet from being started.
>>
>> You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
>> update-rc.d(8).
>
> With that approach, how can you get a list of
> services that have been disabled using updated-rc.d?

Not AFAIK. But you can use "service --status-all" to get some idea...


> btw, I am curious that Debian now has several ways to enable/disable
> services.
>
> - installing/removing the package with apt-get
> - editing the /etc/default/servicename file
> - managing the symlinks with update-rc.d
> - the permissions of the /etc/init.d/servicename script

I couldn't agree less with your list. :)

> - installing/removing the package with apt-get
It doesn't work for someone who wants to disable samba or
nfs-kernel-server in some locations and enable it in others.

> - editing the /etc/default/servicename file
I can't think of anything other than bootlogd that meets this criterion.

> - managing the symlinks with update-rc.d
Yes, although I'm not convinced that Squeeze/Sid with insserv and
concurrency booting.

> - the permissions of the /etc/init.d/servicename script
It's a hack (as was the "exit 0" suggestion) that'll only work if
there's a box has a single admin and the package that owns a script
doesn't overwrite it through an update/upgrade.


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current state of DFS support for cifs ??

2010-12-09 Thread Γιώργος Πάλλας

Hi!

I'm running debian squeeze, fully updated. I can't seem to find how to
mount a cifs share which has DFS enabled. I read that after 2.6.26, DFS
support for cifs was streamlined into the kernel, yet I can't get it to
work:

//myserver/dfs/media/shares/dfs  
cifs   
iocharset=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,credentials=/home/gpall/Documents/samba_credentials.txt
00

It gets mounted, I can see the root of it with its contents, but after
that, trying to list any directory further gets me:

aris:/home/gpall# ls -la /media/shares/dfs/winHome
ls: cannot access /media/shares/dfs/winHome: Resource temporarily
unavailable

Any ideas?




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Re: Cannot mount floppy drive in Squeeze

2010-12-09 Thread Dom


On 07/12/10 14:38, Dom wrote:

On 06/12/10 11:46, Dom wrote:

On 06/12/10 11:34, Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:27:48 -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:


On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:09:52 -0500 (EST), Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:07:20 -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:

Well, I'm not exactly a newbie. I've been using Linux for more than
10 years. But I must be doing something wrong. I can't seem to get a
floppy disk to mount.
...

Weird :-?

I would try with the simplest command:

mount /dev/fd0 /mnt

If you get no error, run "mount" to ensure your floppy has been
mounted. Also, check for "dmesg" output.

No dice. I tried your suggested command, except that I changed /dev/fd0
to /dev/fd1, since I need the 5.25-inch drive, not the 3.5-inch drive,
but other than that it was just as you suggested. No mount, no error
message. The only output from dmesg is the original warning message:

FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems,
filesystem will be case sensitive!

which also comes out on the terminal, since I am issuing the command
from an active Linux virtual console, not a terminal emulation
window in
X.

Strange, indeed.

I would try to load the floppies in another computer, maybe they become
damaged somehow :-?

Also, to discard any problem with squeeze, you can test it under a
livecd
(by instance, in lenny, I don't get that "warning" about utf-8 charset
when accessing my floppy disks).

Greetings,


I recently hit the same problem, but assumed it was just my system
playing up.

Using a USB floppy drive, I created a FAT floppy from an image file,
but when I wanted to change some files on it, it wouldn't mount.

Copying the floppy to a file using dd, then mounting with loop option
worked.

There were no read or write errors during any of these processes (except
on one bad floppy I tried).

I found the same problem with an ext2 formatted floppy. mount -v -t ext2
/dev/sdb /media/floppy returns success, but nothing is mounted.

I just tried partitioning the floppy with cfdisk, then creating an ext2
filesystem on /dev/sdb1. This mounted without a problem.

I suspect this is a bug.

Dom


Following up to myself, after further testing.

I only get this behaviour on one of my systems, all the others seem to
handle mounting floppies fine.

With a little bit of investigation, and the aid of strace, I now believe
that the mount command *is* working correctly and mounting the floppy -
then, almost instantly, something is unmounting it again.

At first I thought it might be because my laptop has Gnome installed and
the other machine I tested it on didn't, but I have since tried on
another system with Gnome and that one is fine too.

I shall keep investigating and maybe try cloning my laptop onto another
machine with a non-USB drive.

Dom


Found the culprit. It's udisks-daemon and appears to be this bug:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592719
"udisks prevents mounting of floppy disks".

Killing the udisks-daemon enabled mounting of the drive.

However, I suspect this is a different problem to the one the OP is 
getting, as this only affects USB floppy drives, not "normal" ones.


Dom


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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Javier Barroso  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
>> On 2010-12-07 17:21 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so
>>> it doesn't run on start up. I wanted to keep NM installed (just in case)
>>> but preferred to use the old "ifup" network setup method.
>>>
>>> So I issued "update-rc.d network-manager remove" and also disabled gnome
>>> NM applet from being started.
>>
>> You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
>> update-rc.d(8).
> I think update-rc.d manpage should then change example which Camaleon
> referenced in her solved post:
>
> Example of disabling a service:
>          update-rc.d -f foobar remove
>          update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
> Should be
> Example of disabling a service:
>          update-rc.d foobar disable
>
> Shouldn't be ? (Is it a bug in manpage?)

It depends on which man page you're reading.

The "disable" option doesn't exist in the (online, no Lenny box at
hand) Lenny man page.

>From the Squeeze man page:

DISABLING INIT SCRIPT START LINKS
   When  run  with the disable [ S|2|3|4|5 ] options, update-rc.d modifies
   existing runlevel links for the  script  /etc/init.d/name  by  renaming
   start  links  to  stop  links  with  a  sequence  number  equal  to the
   difference of 100 minus the original sequence number.

   When run with the enable [ S|2|3|4|5 ]  options,  update-rc.d  modifies
   existing  runlevel  links  for  the script /etc/init.d/name by renaming
   stop links to start links with a sequence number equal to the  positive
   difference  of current sequence number minus 100, thus returning to the
   original sequence number that the script had been installed with before
   disabling it.

   Both  of these options only operate on start runlevel links of S, 2, 3,
   4 or 5. If no start runlevel is specified after the disable  or  enable
   keywords,  the  script  will  attempt to modify links in all start run-
   levels.

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Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Arthur Machlas  wrote:


> The move to insserv & lsb headers to deal with concurrent boot issues
> has thrown a bit of dust into the eyes of update-rc.d. I think if the
> user is working on a concurrent boot system, as squeeze is, they ought
> to consider handling scripts using insserv, /etc/insserv.conf and the
> lsb headers for each script in /etc/init.d (AFAIK insserv uses
> update-rc.d to ensure symlinks in various runlevels match lsb
> headers.)

+1


> It will all be moot in a year or so anyway, once systemd gets tested
> out on Fedora. Probably not in time for wheezy, but perhaps wheezy+1.

Or upstart, which doesn't (yet?) have a mechanism to disable an init
script except editing the relevant "/etc/init/" conf file.

I'll be checking out systemd when Fedora adopts it (probably with F15)
but I find this fragmentation of init systems silly...


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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On 2010-12-09 09:15 +0100, Camaleón wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:37:19 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>
>> On 2010-12-08 23:41 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

 You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See
 update-rc.d(8).
>>> I think update-rc.d manpage should then change example which Camaleon
>>> referenced in her solved post:
>>>
>>> Example of disabling a service:
>>>   update-rc.d -f foobar remove
>>>   update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
>> 
>> That does still work.
>
> Not for me. Read:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00482.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00494.html
>
> Or maybe I missed something... again? :-)

No, now that I tested it I have to admit you're absolutely right.  It
seems that update-rc.d actually uses the LSB headers and ignores the
command line arguments.  I'm not sure that this is intended.

Sven


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Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>
> In fact, what this thread has shown us is that there is not a standard
> method (let's call it "a common way") for doing a simple task like is
> disabling a script from running and keep its current status.
>
> I was looking for a "Debian way" for handling this, not just with Network
> Manager but with all the scripts.
>
> True is that "man update-rc.d" suggests using tools like "sysv-rc-conf"
> but this tool is no even installed by default, so, how does one can give
> credit to such tools if they are not part of the base system? >:-)
>
> Other people in this thread has suggested the manipulation of "/etc/
> init.d/*" scripts headers and then re-injecting them with "insserv",
> which is of course another option... so, what is the recommended/
> preferred way of doing this? "update-rc.d", "sysv-rc-conf", "insserv",
> (other)...?

You can also install chkconfig and use "/sbin/chkconfig"... :)


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Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, shawn wilson  wrote:
>
> You could always just remove the symlink under the rc#.d directory that you
> want to start (S) or stop (K) the service in.
>
> It's generally advised that you use update-rc.d to do this. However, IIRC
> this is the exact same thing that the command does (nothing more) so you
> should be fine.

Read the update-rc.d man page. Deleting the scripts manually (= not
with update-rc.d) isn't recommended.


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Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Arthur Machlas  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:09:14 -0600, Preston Boyington wrote:
>>> Camaleón wrote:

 I agree this is the most common place to set the desired variable
 values for the daemon and even the easiest way to turn on/off a service
 at boot time but the thing is that there is not such file for Network
 Manager under "/etc/default/*".
>>>
>>> (apologies if this is not what you are asking.  late to the thread)
>>>
>>> if you have a GUI environment then couldn't you use Boot-Up Manager?
>>>
>>> "aptitude install bum"
>>
>> Well, I was trying to disable -not managing nor manipulating, just turn
>> off- a service using the only (?) tool I've got installed ("update-rc.d"
>> is installed by default, but neither "sysv-rc-conf" nor "bum" are).
>
> I believe editing LSB headers is the preferred path, but all that you
> suffer is some annoying error messages, so live and let live.

Even though someone posted earlier in this thread that updates respect
editing "/etc/init.d" files, I'm not convinced that all packages
behave that way.

It's safer to use insserv's override mechanism.


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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:37:52 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:53 +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote:
>
 You didn't disable network-manager. You removed the startup scripts
 which were correctly put back by the update.

 Of course I only know this by being bitten by it several times in the
 past ;-)
>>>
>>> Hum... good catch. Let's test it.
>
> (...)
>
>>> Now, I restart the system (rebooting...) and check for network manager
>>> service, that should have been disabled:
>>>
>>> t...@debian:~$ /etc/init.d/network-manager status NetworkManager is
>>> running.
>>>
>>> But it is running.
>>
>> "update-rc.d ... 20..." isn't ging to work with insserv (one reason
>> being that it numbers the "/etc/rcX.d" scripts indepedently of you).
>
> Mmm... man page says by using "defaults" the service should be put in
> sequence number 20 (unless there are any conflicts):
>
> t...@debian:~$ ls -l /etc/rc* | grep network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 K01network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 K01network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 S20network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  25 dic  8 14:12 K01network-manager -> 
> ../init.d/network-manager
>
> And so it seems to be :-?

Did you do the above on a Lenny or Squeeze/Sid box?

Whenever I use update-rc.d on a sid box to stop/remove/disable, I get
a "using concurrency based boot sequencing" message with a warning
about runlevels.

It's just a warning so I guess that it's OK but I don't like it and
now avoid update-rc.d.

Furthermore, how does insserv deal with the scripts if you assign S20
to network-manager and it depends on a service that insserv has
numbered S21?

>> The best way that I've found to deviate from the LSB headers is to use
>> "/etc/insserv/overrides/".
>
> I'll have to test that, but first I would like to know if there is another
> method to get the job done. I'd like to understand what I am doing wrong.

If you're using Squeeze/Sid and therefore have an insserv-controlled
boot-process, why not use an insserv solution?

There's more typing to be done but it works.

I've just tried "update-rc.d -f remove nfs-kernel-server; update-rc.d
nfs-kernel server stop 2 3 4 5 ." and rebooted to find that
nfs-kernel-server is still running.

I've also just tried "update-rc.d -f disable nfs-kernel-server" and
rebooted to find that nfs-kernel-server is still running.


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Re: Can't get grub2 installed in debian-business cared(lenny)

El 2010-12-09 a las 16:25 +0800, Thomas Yao escribió:

(resending to the list)

> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> > I've also found problems when it comes to GRUB install (in both, lenny
> > and squeeze). It failed. I had to select "do not install any bootloader"
> > and afterwards got GRUB from SGD.
> >
> 
> I know that's a way to solve this problem, but I'm wondering what's
> wrong with the installer, maybe it's a bug
> Thanks :)

Yes, it could be a bug you can report. Just ensure it is fully 
reproducible (you can use a VM to perform further installation tests, 
use another ISO image, etc...).

Greetings,

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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

On 2010-12-08 01:21 +0100, Arthur Machlas wrote:

> Problem is, or at least, what I think the problem with that is, is
> that insserv is installed by default, and concurrent is now the
> default as well. So whenever a system service is added removed,
> changed or when insserv is called by some other means, it will look at
> the LSB headers for the init script and fix any missing symlinks.

Erm no, it does not do that.  It will warn you that your configuration
does not match the LSB headers, but leave it alone.  The only exception
is when you have no symlinks at all and run update-rc.d.

> Haven't tested that, but it's my uninformed opinion.

Your uninformed opinion is welcome, but well informed contributions are
usually more useful. :-)

Sven

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Re: Can't get grub2 installed in debian-business cared(lenny)

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:17:24 +0800, Thomas Yao wrote:

> Hi all, I'm tring to install Debian Squeeze via "expert install" of
> Debian Business Card(Lenny)
> Everything went well until grub installation, I selected the grub2 to
> install with Squeeze but no matter which device I tried to select to
> install the boot loader, it told me "didn't select any device to install
> bootloader"
> And I can't install grub legancy afterwards, and I don't want to use
> LILO, so anyone here met the same problem before? Thank you!

I've also found problems when it comes to GRUB install (in both, lenny 
and squeeze). It failed. I had to select "do not install any bootloader" 
and afterwards got GRUB from SGD.

Greetings,

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Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.