Re: Debian vs. other firewall/server operating systems

[Eero Volotinen]

> Why do people use Ubuntu on the server given that Debian is more stable?  Why 
> do people use RedHat given that it has proprietary features in it?  (While 
> it's not Windows, it sounds like a step in the wrong direction.)  I've heard 
> that CentOS is

RHEL is supported seven to ten years on each release. It is also
commercially supported by big vendors like Oracle ..



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Re: Reading later boot files failed

[waterloo]

Thanks a lot !

2011/2/27 Camaleón 

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:08:39 +0800, waterloo wrote:
>
> > 2011/2/28 Camaleón
> >
> >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:02:16 +0800, waterloo wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading early boot files
> >>
> >> A quick Google search returns that this message can be related to
> >> "readahead" (or "readahead-fedora") package. Do you have it installed?
>
> > Yes , I install readahead-fedora .
> > How to make readahead-fedora work correctly ? Thanks a lot !
>
> To be sincere, I don't even know what is that package intended for (this
> is the first time I see it). But if you have it in your system it must be
> for something, right? I think it is not installed by default ;-)
>
> There must be information on how this daemon works in the manual or
> README file and if you don't need it, you can disable it via "/etc/
> default/readahead-fedora" file.
>
> Greetings,
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Re: ssd / smart question

[Doug]

On 02/21/2011 09:06 AM, Brian Ryans wrote:

Quoting Paul Berry on 2011-02-14 01:47:

There is only one problem.  The firmware update does not have a Linux
installer.  You need to install Windows 7 or Vista on a separate boot
drive, then boot from it to use the firmware tool.  I did a temporary

And THIS is why I mourn the loss of the venerable 1440K disk (or at
least the easy availability of ultra-small USB disks) and boot images
placed on vendors' websites. Made firmware upgrades fairly OS-agnostic.


I too mourn the demise of the floppy, but when you come right down to it,
a plain write-once CD costs about as much as a floppy used to.  It just 
seems

like such a waste to just put a few KB on a CD!

(There exist "business card" CDs, but I don't know if you can get writable
disks in that size.  I have a couple that commercial s/w came on--some are
round, and some are actually rectangular, like a business card!  They make
an awful noise in the drive, but they work.)

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Debian vs. other firewall/server operating systems

[Jason Hsu]

I can't comment on other distros as servers, as my experience at the server 
level has so far been with a minimal command-line only Debian Stable 
installation.  (When I'm given the option of installing packages for the 
graphical desktop, web server, mail server, etc., I don't select any of them.)

I tried this minimal Debian installation on the desktop in the past and didn't 
like it.  But at the server level, I really appreciate the minimalism.  As I 
have found from trying to upgrade Lenny to Squeeze, certain things about 
certain packages change.  Thus, the more packages you have installed, the more 
difficult is, because you multiply your chances of running into problems.  
Given that most companies and organizations need their servers running 
24/7/365, it makes sense to use the most stable OS possible for the server.  
Debian is known for stability in the Linux world, and the Stable branch is 
stable even by Debian standards.  The server doesn't require as many 
applications as the desktop, so I don't mind a bare-bones Debian installation 
at the server level.  Given concerns about security at the server level, a 
bare-bones installation seems better, as more applications mean the potential 
for more security holes.

Given all this, what are the reasons for using the other server operating 
systems?  WHY WHY WHY are there Windows servers out there?  I know that Windows 
has only a small percentage of the server market, but given its inferior 
stability and security, why is it used at all?  At least when a desktop has 
downtime, only one person is affected.  When a server is down, the whole 
organization/company is affected.

Why do people use Ubuntu on the server given that Debian is more stable?  Why 
do people use RedHat given that it has proprietary features in it?  (While it's 
not Windows, it sounds like a step in the wrong direction.)  I've heard that 
CentOS is MUCH more difficult to upgrade than Debian, so why do people use 
CentOS on the server?

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free jewel case insert: Debian 6.0.0 "Squeeze" Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD

[Eric De Mund]

All,

Made for myself; perhaps also useful to others. I made it so I'd have
ready access to the disc's SHA512 checksum. Available at:

http://ixian.com/ead/debian/debian-6.0.0-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.odt
http://ixian.com/ead/debian/debian-6.0.0-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.pdf

Text reads:

+---+
|Debian |
| GNU/Linux |
|   6.0.0 "Squeeze" |
|Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD |
|   Binary-1 20110205-17:26 |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|  % dd if= bs=1024 |
|count=662,728 | sha512sum --binary |
|   |
| b4cc a09b af86 047d | 9692 1999 067a a46e |
| a59b 22ce 3c2b 8c62 | 3349 886f fdae 58bc |
| 5f15 bddc 34fa a598 | 72d5 8048 a725 2c9a |
| a0c2 881c 7fe8 b3be | b35c 0408 31d9 a6d4 |
|   |
| *debian-6.0.0-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
|678,633,472 bytes (648 MB) |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |
| CD 1 of 1 |
+---+

Regards,
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/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui

[Sthu Deus]

Good day.


I try to compile a program w/ the help of qmake and make and on make
running stage I get:

$ make
g++ -c -pipe -O2 -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB
-DQT_CORE_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I.
-I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4
-I. -I. -o 1.o 1.cpp g++ -Wl,-O1 -o atry 1.o-L/usr/lib -lQtGui
-lQtCore -lpthread
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [atry] Error 1

Googling have shouwn me that I can try replacing a lib and then it will
magically be compiled, another approach is to install

freetype1-dev libgtk2.0-dev

but I have the first already installed and the second brings a lot of
dependencies, and, because I use KDE environment I do not have a so
many GTK packages - rather I would decline using of qmake/make and will
continue using g++ directly.

So, may You know a better solution for my problem?


Thank You for Your time.


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Can you recommend a audio/video package?

[Long Wind]

Currently I use helix producer 9. It meets my three requirements:

1) It works on slow PC. It can run on my P3/550. (I have another PC
that runs P4/1.6G)

2) It use compression. For video size 384x288, it take about 100 M for
one hour of TV recording

3) It can be played on Windows and Linux (by Real player)

but it seems to work only in kernel 2.4
many new distro no longer support kernel 2.4
so I want to find a new package
There are many packages in Debian
but do they work?
can they meet all three requirements above?


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Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

[Patrick Bartek]

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Andrei Popescu  wrote:

> On Du, 27 feb 11, 12:05:11, Patrick
> Bartek wrote:
> > 
> > My system:
> > 
> > Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet
> 
> Watch for firmware errors in dmesg and install the
> apropiate package 
> from non-free if needed

I'll keep an weather eye out.

> > AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ
> > EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics card, fanless (by
> design)
> 
> If you need 3d performance you'll need to activate non-free
> and install 
> the package nvidia-glx

Have no need for 3D graphics.  Never use anything that requires it.  But if I 
ever do, the card supports it and I have your recommendation.

> > 4GB RAM
> 
> If you go with 32bit install (i386) I would recommend the
> -amd64 kernel.

Nope.  Going 64-bit all the way. Have the CD burned and everything.  All 
previous Fedora installs on this machine have been 64-bit.  I see no reason to 
change.  I'm aware of 64-bit pitfalls:  mainly, the lack of a 64-bit Flash 
plugin that isn't an alpha or beta.  I may just install a 32-bit browser (and 
proper 32-bit libraries) and use 32-bit plugins.  I did this with Fedora 6 
64-bit and never had any problems.  I've never had good results wrapping 32-bit 
plugins.

Thanks for your input.

B


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Re: How do I tel SSL to trust a certificate?

[Marc Shapiro]

On 02/27/11 21:02, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

In<4d6ac759.1000...@gmail.com>, Marc Shapiro wrote:

I am trying to access my work computer from home using the Citrix
client.  First, I connect to the companies web-site and log in.  I
navigate from there to a link for remote login.  On selecting that, I
should be presented with a login for my computer at work.  This has
worked in the past, but I am now getting the following error:

You have not chosen to trust "VeriSign 3 Public Primary Certification
Authority - G3", the issuer of the server's security certificate (SSL
error 61).


ICA Client, despite having an unofficial Debian package, is not well-
integrated into Debian.  Instead of using the standard directory tree under
/usr/share/ca-certificates, it has its own little certificate store.

Install (or symlink) .crt files into /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts and
complain to Citrix.  I could probably fix their package, but I'd be unable to
distribute it.  I can certainly cover the common case without even seeing
their source.  (A simple GNU find command to symlink /usr/share/ca-
certificates/**/*.crt under /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts.)

HTH


Yes!  That did it.  I didn't bother to symlink everything, but I did get 
all of the Verisign certificates under 
/usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/ and that has me up and running. 
Thank you very much!


Marc


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Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

[Patrick Bartek]

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Ron Johnson  wrote:

> On 02/27/2011 02:05 PM, Patrick
> Bartek wrote:
> > Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13
> [snip]
> >
> > My system:
> >
> > Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet
> > AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ
> > EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics card, fanless (by
> design)
> > 4GB RAM
> > 160GB SATA HD
> > Pioneer DVR-112D IDE DVD/CD Writer
> >
> > Any opinions, suggestions or pitfalls?
> >
> > [snip]
> 
> That's a heck of a lot like my system (except that my mobo
> is newer 
> and CPU & GPU are slower), and Sid with the XFce DE
> works perfectly 
> on it.

I've got XFCE running on a Debian "Etch" install on a 10-year-old Thinkpad 240X 
(500MHz P3 & 192MB RAM) and it works just fine, but I've found I don't care for 
XFCE all that much.  For a "lightweight" GUI environment, I prefer LXDE.  
However, I'm trying to stick with a "pure" Openbox set up for my main system, 
since for the most part, I don't really need all the bells and whistles of a 
fancy desktop or the disk space all the libraries takes up.

Thanks for the info, though.

B


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How do you avoid server/firewall downtime?

[Jason Hsu]

I have successfully installed a firewall and DHCP server with a minimal Debian 
Lenny installation.  I successfully upgraded Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze.  
Of course, it helps that I upgraded immediately after completing the fresh 
installation of Debian Lenny.

Now I'm trying to get the Shoreview firewall working and a DHCP server working 
in Debian Squeeeze, and I'm finding that what worked in Debian Lenny doesn't 
work in Debian Squeeze, and some adjustments are needed.

Of course, you could say that I don't know what I'm doing because I have no 
prior experience in working on servers in ANY OS and that all of my prior Linux 
experience has been on the desktop.  I wouldn't be able to refute this.  That 
said, I see that many other people (most of whom have more experience than I 
have) are also having difficulty with the upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze.  In 
the ideal world, I can always avoid messing up.  In the real world, I need to 
make sure that my screw-ups do NOT disrupt the system.

Fortunately, I'm just experimenting by building my first home network.  
However, I am looking for a job as a Linux IT consultant (preferably in the 
Minneapolis/St. Paul area), and I'll need to make sure that when I'm working 
with clients' systems, all major upgrades like this Lenny-to-Squeeze transition 
proceed much more smoothly.

Given all this, how do you avoid bringing down your clients' systems?
1.  Do you have two or more firewalls/servers running in parallel so that if 
one goes down, the rest can take over the traffic?  My guess is that the larger 
the company or organization, the more computers you can have running in 
parallel.
2.  Do you have a way to make sure you can quickly restore a server back to the 
old obsolete-but-still-working setup?  Even if there aren't any company files 
that need to be saved, there's still the need to restore the old setup if 
necessary.  I am taking notes as I proceed to make sure I can restore my setup 
to a working state.  However, reinstalling would take up valuable time.  Do you 
clone the hard drive and save the image file (or whatever it is that stores all 
of the files and everything else) so that you can quickly restore everything 
back to the old setup if necessary WITHOUT having to go through the 
reinstallation process?  
3.  Do you have separate computers for each function (firewall/DHCP server, 
mail server, print server, web server, etc.)?  It seems to me that it's easier 
to maintain things this way, because you only need to restore one function 
instead of multiple functions per machine.  Then again, this means more 
equipment is needed to have redundancy in all server functions (print, mail, 
web, firewall, etc.), so maybe this isn't such a great idea.
4.  Do your employers/clients give you a spare machine that you can use to 
practice?  I know how to use VirtualBox, but that's not the same thing as a 
real computer.  I know from my old career as an electrical/RF engineer that 
simulation programs all have underlying assumptions that may be inaccurate and 
sometimes wildly inaccurate.  I know from my recent experience with Debian that 
certain computers are compatible with a fresh installation of Lenny but not a 
fresh installation of Squeeze.

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Re: need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110227153610.36fdb...@resin17.mta.everyone.net>, 
pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
>2011-02-27  09:04:28 1Ptj6i-0004BD-8e failed to expand "<; ${if
>exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/e
>tc/exim/passwd.client{$host_address}}}{}}"while   check
>ing   a   list:   failed   to   open /etc/exim4/passwd.client  for  linear
>search: Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)
>2011-02-27  10:56:51 1PtkrT-gF-5a failed to expand "<; ${if
>exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}
>{${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}
>}}{}}"while   checking   a   list:   failed   to   open
>/etc/exim4/passwd.client  for  linear search: Permission denied
>(euid=102 egid=104)

"Permission denied".  Check your permissions on /etc/exim4/passwd.client.  
Make sure it is readable by the user or group that exim runs as.

If you can't figure it out, run these and post the output:
ps -ef | grep -i exim
ls -l /etc/exim4/passwd.client
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Re: How do I tel SSL to trust a certificate?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4d6ac759.1000...@gmail.com>, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>I am trying to access my work computer from home using the Citrix
>client.  First, I connect to the companies web-site and log in.  I
>navigate from there to a link for remote login.  On selecting that, I
>should be presented with a login for my computer at work.  This has
>worked in the past, but I am now getting the following error:
>
>You have not chosen to trust "VeriSign 3 Public Primary Certification
>Authority - G3", the issuer of the server's security certificate (SSL
>error 61).

ICA Client, despite having an unofficial Debian package, is not well-
integrated into Debian.  Instead of using the standard directory tree under 
/usr/share/ca-certificates, it has its own little certificate store.

Install (or symlink) .crt files into /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts and 
complain to Citrix.  I could probably fix their package, but I'd be unable to 
distribute it.  I can certainly cover the common case without even seeing 
their source.  (A simple GNU find command to symlink /usr/share/ca-
certificates/**/*.crt under /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts.)

HTH
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Re: How do I tel SSL to trust a certificate?

[Michael Tsang]

On Monday 28 February 2011 05:51:21 Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I am trying to access my work computer from home using the Citrix
> client.  First, I connect to the companies web-site and log in.  I
> navigate from there to a link for remote login.  On selecting that, I
> should be presented with a login for my computer at work.  This has
> worked in the past, but I am now getting the following error:
> 
> You have not chosen to trust "VeriSign 3 Public Primary Certification
> Authority - G3", the issuer of the server's security certificate (SSL
> error 61).
Put that certificate (base64 encoded and ending in .crt) in 
/usr/local/share/ca-certificates and re-run dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
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Re: bash variables

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110228004108.GA3922@playground>, Mike McClain wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:45:27PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20110225222127.GA1996@playground>, Mike McClain wrote:
>> >This only bites me once in a while but when it does it can be very
>> >frustrating so any hints / tips are welcome.
>> 
>> FOO="stuff 'with' qu\"otes"
>> echo $FOO
>> echo stuff 'with' qu\"otes
>> 
>> Yes, quote removal happens after parameter expansion, but it only removes
>> quotes that existed before expansion.  So, your find and grep are choking
>> on quotes.
>
>Yes, I'm afraid you're right, they do choke on quotes,
>too many it appears.
>
>root@/deb40a:~> set -x
>root@/deb40a:~> VAR='boo "*"'; echo $VAR
>+ VAR=boo "*"
>+ echo boo '"*"'
>boo "*"
>
>root@/deb40a:~> VAR="boo '*'"; echo $VAR
>+ VAR=boo '*'
>+ echo boo ''\''*'\'''
>boo '*'
>
>Any idea why bash would put extra quotes around a quoted term
>in a variable upon expansion?

Bash is not adding quotes.[1]  It is failing to remove them.  If you really 
want to understand what is happening, install the susv2 or susv3 packages 
from contrib and read the section "Shell Command Language".  Particularly the 
expansions does by the shell at various times.

When you enter:
find -name "*"
at the bash prompt, it goes through a number of steps and then makes the C 
call:
execv("/usr/bin/find", { "find", "-name", "*" });
It has removed the quotes around the asterisk before sending it to the 
command.  The quotes prevented bash from expanding the asterisk into a list 
of (non-dot) files in the current directory.

When you enter:
FIND='find -name "*"'
at the bash prompt, it (almost) makes the C call:
setenv("FIND", "find -name \"*\"", 1);
Again it removed the (outer) quotes, which were preventing its normal 
behavior of ending the variable value at the first blank.  Then later when 
you enter:
$FIND
it goes through the same steps and makes the C call:
execv("/usr/bin/find", { "find", "-name", "\"*\"" });
It did not remove the quotes because they were not originally present in the 
input, instead the were the result of another expansion.

[1] Okay, bash is adding quotes in the trace output, but that's a visual 
debugging aid, to help advanced users count the exact number of arguments 
passed into the called command.  The called command doesn't see them.
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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , shawn 
wilson wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, 
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.  wrote:
>> In <4d685bbb.2010...@gmail.com>, Aaron Toponce wrote:
>> >More garbage. There are _many_ good reasons to reboot a UNIX or
>> >GNU/Linux server:
>> >
>> >* Forcing applications to use the new libraries.
>> 
>> Poor reason; I've never found an application that needed a reboot to fix
>> this.  (Yes, you need to restart the application, but not the OS.)
>
>lets look at this for a second. lets look at the libraries that init uses:

telinit u

The exec* family of functions always opens a file based on path so they will 
get the new /sbin/init binary.  Because of the way the linker works, this 
will also pick up new versions of dynamically linked libraries.

>> >* Ensuring all hardware is still in good, working order.
>> 
>> Good reason.
>> 
>iirc, if the device was made properly, when you reload a driver, it will 
>reboot the device.

Can the caps on my MB hold through another boot?  What about the various 
devices between the kernel and RAM, the filesystem holding '/', and any swap 
devices?

>> >* Even modifying partitions or filesystems to accommodate new storage
>> 
>> needs.
>> 
>> I've done quite a bit of this live.  LVM is good stuff.  Sound be in most
>> environments.
>
>on a default debian install, there is no extra space to resize lvm.

Shrink one of your file systems and use the extra space.  I don't use default 
Debian paritioning anyway.  / /home /opt /var /srv /usr /usr/local /tmp 
/var/tmp /var/cache are all separate file systems on non-VPS systems I 
control.

Even with just /, swap, and /home, you can unmount and shrink home to grow /.  
Even "venerable" ext3 has the ability to grow while mounted.  (btrfs and zfs 
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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Yuwen Dai]

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Mark  wrote:

> Realizing this is dependent on computer specs, just curious what some of
> the people on this list have experienced for how much time it took to do the
> Lenny to Squeeze upgrade, (assuming a fully up-to-date Lenny system).
>

I downloaded the first DVD of Squeeze and set the deb-cdrom as the only
entry in source.list to prevent the installation downloading package from
network.  Then I upgraded my system according to chapter4 of the release
notes.  It took about 3-4 hours to upgrade my system(include
download/installing Nvidia video driver) . After the basic system was
installed, I added other entries (security, multimedia, etc) in source.list
and did a dist-upgrade again.  The whole process was quite smooth and I'm
satisfied.

Best regards,
Yuwen



>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>

Re: Debian stable vs. testing for Swift Linux (antiX derivative)

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 08:52:22PM -0600, Jason Hsu wrote:
> I recently started a new Linux distro called Swift Linux 
> (www.swiftlinux.org).  
> 
I wonder if you ever considered creating a Debian Pure Blend instead of
a standalone distro.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends

I think some advantages of Debian Pure Blends vs. standalone distro are:

1)  Users get "real Debian", with all the advantages of the Debian
infastructure (repos, online help, etc), but they get the setup and
package selection that you (the maintainer) want to have.

2)  You have less work to do (I think).  No maintaining your own repos.
You're not responsible for security updates, etc.  

-Rob


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Re: bash variables

[Mike McClain]

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:45:27PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20110225222127.GA1996@playground>, Mike McClain wrote:
> >This only bites me once in a while but when it does it can be very
> >frustrating so any hints / tips are welcome.
> 
> FOO="stuff 'with' qu\"otes"
> echo $FOO
> echo stuff 'with' qu\"otes
> 
> Yes, quote removal happens after parameter expansion, but it only removes 
> quotes that existed before expansion.  So, your find and grep are choking on 
> quotes.

Yes, I'm afraid you're right, they do choke on quotes, 
too many it appears.

root@/deb40a:~> set -x
root@/deb40a:~> VAR='boo "*"'; echo $VAR
+ VAR=boo "*"
+ echo boo '"*"'
boo "*"

root@/deb40a:~> VAR="boo '*'"; echo $VAR
+ VAR=boo '*'
+ echo boo ''\''*'\'''
boo '*'

root@/deb40a:~> FIND='-name "*"'; echo $FIND; find /root/bin/ $FIND
+ FIND=-name "*"
+ echo -name '"*"'
-name "*"
+ find -name '"*"'
/root/bin/"foo"

root@/deb40a:~> find /root/bin/ -name "*"
+ find /root/bin/ -name '*'
and a list of 28 files follows including /root/bin/"foo"

Any idea why bash would put extra quotes around a quoted term
in a variable upon expansion? 
Or under what circumstances it might be useful?

Thanks,
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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Dan Serban]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:31:56 +
Peter Tynan  wrote:

> One of the things I've never understood about Debian is why the wiki
> is so inactive when compared to other distributions, the simple fact

... [snip] ...

> netizen I do not register, I do not make my suggestion and I start to
> understand why the Debian wiki is so relatively inactive.
> 
> Peter
> 

To add fuel to the fire, I find the debian wiki somewhat archaic, I'm quite
used to mediawiki, and the current articles are very tech-centric, I
get the feeling that I may not be the best source to be adding
information/documentation to the page, so generally I just move on.

Though this could be that I feel much more disconnected to the project
lately as I find out "new" things simply through running into difficulties
with working setups on upgrade.  As a side, what happened to the Debian
news weekly?  I felt like I used to keep my finger on the pulse...

As you've said, arch and gentoo both have very excellent wikis, though
that could simply be a result of having a wiki system available much earlier
than the debian project (from what I remember).  Thus much more
user-centric content.

Maybe the IRC bot used in the #debian channels can be set to link to
information in the wiki more often to encourage heavier use?


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Runaway process detection.

[Dan Serban]

I've run into a bit of a problem that I'd like to tackle:

I'm running lenny in an appserver setup with ltsp.  Everything works dandy,
and until I have tested the upgrade path to squeeze (possible x.org issues)
I'd like to tackle an annoying problem I keep running into.

Because of a bug in gtk, iceweasel and others (google helped me
find the bug reports) nautilus for some users pegs at 100% cpu use
because .xsession-errors fills up at incredible rates, which in turn
basically hangs the machine (nautilus ends up using over 40 gigs of
memory).

I can't kill the parent as it'll bring everyone's desktop down and...
that's even worse.

So I'd like to detect the one _child_ process that is causing this,
and killing it.  Problem with this is that monit/mon/ps-watcher all
seem to hinge on the parent, and I can't simply detect the one child
that's hogging so much IO and killing it.

Do any of you have any suggestions on how I can approach this and
stop the phone calls of insanity with silly comments added such as "windows
wouldn't do this" crap, which being a zealot utterly insults me :).


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Re: xinetd UDP vs. TCP Output

[Hal Vaughan]

Short answer:

It's not possible.

Long answer:

After the research it took me, I'm just too damned lazy to write it up.  Just 
trust me, can't be done.



Hal

On Feb 24, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Hal Vaughan wrote:

> I'm using a small program that's started by xinetd.  The incoming signal to 
> it would be a broadcast signal, which means it has to be UDP.
> 
> I wrote two versions of the test program, one in Perl and one as a bash 
> script and both ran into the same problem.
> 
> They worked fine when I first set them up and set up the service in xinetd as 
> using TCP.  Then I changed the service to UDP and made the appropriate 
> changes to my programs.
> 
> They still logged everything, they still received incoming messages from the 
> other test programs that were communicating to them (either directly or 
> through a broadcast), but they did NOT send any data back.  I checked it this 
> with Wireshark.  The incoming data showed up, but the data these programs 
> were supposed to send back didn't even go out over the LAN.
> 
> The programs ran and exited properly, but the output to the network never 
> showed up.
> 
> While I don't know but so much about networking, I know TCP and UDP sockets 
> are notably different.  I can't find anything in the documentation that 
> indicates that for a program using UDP sockets, that it has to use something 
> other than STDIN and STDOUT.  I even found sources that say you SHOULD still 
> be using STDIN and STDOUT for programs using UDP through xinetd.
> 
> I don't consider this just a programming question, since it's the same in 
> both languages.  I strongly suspect there's a different way to handle the 
> output that's supposed to go back over the network for UDP (vs. TCP).
> 
> Any ideas on what might be needed?
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> Hal
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Re: disabling irq assigned to sata hard drives

[Wayne Topa]

On 02/27/2011 06:16 PM, Mark Copper wrote:

Hi All,

In the last week, my desktop has been disabled by disabling an IRQ
several times.


<--SNIP-->


  uname -a
Linux rigel 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:01:41 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

How can I narrow the problem down?  For example, the box isn't using
the firewire or usb7 ports; could I remove them, just to make sure
it's the sata drives?

How could I tell if this is a hardware problem as opposed to a bug?

Is there other relevant data I should be considering?


Not that I can think of.

Thanks for reporting this as I was about to post about the same error
on my wheezy/testing AMD64 partition.  I am getting the same error with 
IRQ19 and am not able to connect to the net with wicd since Feb 22nd.


In my case it shows up as a kernel error on 2.6.32-30-amd64 and on
2.6.37-1-amd64


Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.383622] wlan0: authenticate with 
00:21:e8:b5:c4:b5 (try 1)
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.580045] wlan0: authenticate with 
00:21:e8:b5:c4:b5 (try 2)
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.780042] wlan0: authenticate with 
00:21:e8:b5:c4:b5 (try 3)
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953908] Pid: 0, comm: kworker/0:0 Not tainted 
2.6.37-1-amd64 #1
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953910] Call Trace:
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953912][] ? 
__report_bad_irq+0x30/0x80
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953923]  [] ? 
note_interrupt+0x127/0x19f
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953927]  [] ? 
sched_clock+0x5/0x8
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953931]  [] ? 
handle_fasteoi_irq+0xcc/0xf7
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953935]  [] ? 
handle_irq+0x17/0x1f
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953938]  [] ? 
do_IRQ+0x50/0xb5
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953942]  [] ? 
ret_from_intr+0x0/0x11
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953944][] ? 
native_safe_halt+0x2/0x3
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953951]  [] ? 
default_idle+0x39/0x57
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953954]  [] ? 
c1e_idle+0xf9/0xfd
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953957]  [] ? 
cpu_idle+0xb2/0x124
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.953960]  [] ? 
start_secondary+0x1e5/0x1eb
Feb 22 12:13:10 dj kernel: [  604.980023] wlan0: authentication with 
00:21:e8:b5:c4:b5 timed out


Message from syslogd@dj at Tue Feb 22 12:13:10 2011 ...
dj kernel: [  604.953998] Disabling IRQ #19


I am still looking for the culprit.

Wayne


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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/27/2011 04:56 PM, shawn wilson wrote:

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.<
b...@iguanasuicide.net>  wrote:



In<4d685bbb.2010...@gmail.com>, Aaron Toponce wrote:

More garbage. There are _many_ good reasons to reboot a UNIX or
GNU/Linux server:

* Forcing applications to use the new libraries.


Poor reason; I've never found an application that needed a reboot to fix
this.  (Yes, you need to restart the application, but not the OS.)

lets look at this for a second. lets look at the libraries that init uses:

swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ ldd
/sbin/init
 linux-vdso.so.1 =>   (0x7fffe94c1000)

[snip]


hummm, so libc6 was updated on january 11, when did i last reboot this box?
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ uptime
  19:28:15 up 41 days, 17:35,  6 users,  load average: 1.72, 0.72, 0.26

so, i'm pretty sure that whatever got fixed in libc6 is not fixed on this
box if it deals with the base library. maybe i'm wrong - i'm pretty sure
it's possible to link a new library to a running process but i don't know.
and i don't know whether the dpkg scripts will do this whenever a new
library is installed for a running process.



/sbin/init is the only process that can't be forced to use a newly 
installed library w/o rebooting.  Every other process can.


/usr/sbin/checkrestart in package debian-goodies tells you what 
processes are using obsolete libraries and can usually tell you 
which services to restart.


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Re: How long has your Lenny -> Squeeze upgrade taken?

[Brian Ryans]

Quoting Clive Standbridge on 2011-02-18 03:35:
> Also if you rely on the system for anything important, you need to
> allow time to diagnose and fix the fallout i.e. breakages that aren't
> covered in the release notes. It happens unfortunately.

And time to research whether said breakages are known, time to file
appropriate bugs if the breakages aren't known and so on.

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Re: ssd / smart question

[Brian Ryans]

Quoting Paul Berry on 2011-02-14 01:47:
> There is only one problem.  The firmware update does not have a Linux
> installer.  You need to install Windows 7 or Vista on a separate boot
> drive, then boot from it to use the firmware tool.  I did a temporary

And THIS is why I mourn the loss of the venerable 1440K disk (or at
least the easy availability of ultra-small USB disks) and boot images
placed on vendors' websites. Made firmware upgrades fairly OS-agnostic.

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Re: apt-setup

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 27 feb 11, 23:34:45, Lisi wrote:
> 
> > If you need some interface to change 
> > sources.list try synaptic ;)
> 
> Ouch!! ;-)  Give me Kwrite or another good editor and sources.list itself!

Not for you personally! :) 

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need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release

Please excuse an earlier email in HTML. I was and am still now
using the web mail system of my ISP, which I do not know, and
which has very muddled descriptions of what the various buttons 
do. I think (and sincerely hope) that I have turned off the 
'helpful' feature of automatic HTML.

I have used mutt/fetchmail/exim4 for several years without much
problem. I keep backup copies of /etc so I am confident that my exim4
configuration is the same as it was when it last worked a few days 
ago. I have looked at the config file that is causing a problem 
and it is correctly formatted (i.e. not corrupted by garbage and 
containing password data that works in other contexts). But for reasons
that are too complex to go into, I got my computer into a state where 
I needed to re-install Squeeze from scratch.  And ...

Now exim4 is unable to send email to the SMTP server that I use. It
is not something outside at my ISP because the exim4 scripts leave a 
paniclog message in /var/log/exim4, which reads as follows:

2011-02-27  09:04:28 1Ptj6i-0004BD-8e failed to expand "<; ${if
exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/e
tc/exim/passwd.client{$host_address}}}{}}"while   check
ing   a   list:   failed   to   open /etc/exim4/passwd.client  for  linear 
search: 
Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)
2011-02-27  10:56:51 1PtkrT-gF-5a failed to expand "<; ${if
exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}
{${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}
}}{}}"while   checking   a   list:   failed   to   open
/etc/exim4/passwd.client  for  linear search: Permission denied
(euid=102 egid=104)

I look at the file, /etc/exim4/passwd.client, and it contains exactly
the same bytes as it has always contained since many months ago when
I first got the setup working. It contains one line that is not a comment, 
and immediately above is a comment that specifies the required format. 

These are:
### target.mail.server.example:login:password
smtp.everyone.net:pecon...@mesanetworks.net:--- 
(note: my password is not actually a bunch of hyphens ;-)

The paniclog message seems to indicate that there was a error parsing 
single line of data, and that the password was never transmitted to the ISP

I also tried installing the current testing (Wheezy) and found the
same problem. (i.e. same error message) I'd like to get email 
working again. I am able to receive email. The same password continues 
to work in the fetchmailrc. Of course much has been left out, so please
ask questions. Please help.

Paul
pecon...@mesanetworks.net


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Re: apt-setup

[Lisi]

On Sunday 27 February 2011 23:08:17 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Du, 27 feb 11, 16:27:49, Lisi wrote:
> > I am a little confused about this.  I had never heard of it, so have been
> > looking it up.  There is no man entry, and the man apt entry, which
> > mentions and gives hyperlinks to toher apt applications (apt-cache etc.)
> > does nto mention it.
> >
> > Googling brings up the information that Potato users used to use it to
> > configure their /etc/apt/sources.list, and the installer still uses it
> > for the same purpose.  But I could find no trace of any recent usage by
> > users wanting to (re)configure their sources.list.  Comments gratefully
> > received!
>
> A quick Google search revealed a post of *mine* from 2007 stating it is
> in the base-config package.
>
> AFAIR base-config was the second stage of the installer for sarge (you
> had to run that at the console after the first reboot, to set-up the
> timezone, apt, etc.) . Etch already had a one-stage install; base-config
> was merged with the first stage.

Yes, the most recent mention that I have been able to find was in a book about 
Sarge - that was where I got the information about it being part of the 
installer -but even that was out of date!

> What are you trying to achieve?

I am doing a course - and if I have a problem with anything I look it up.  
apt-setup was in a list with apt-cache, apt-get and apt-cdrom.  As I said, I 
had never heard of it, so I looked it up.  The rest you know.  I'm afraid 
that I didn't turn up your post. :-(

> If you need some interface to change 
> sources.list try synaptic ;)

Ouch!! ;-)  Give me Kwrite or another good editor and sources.list itself!

Thanks, Andrei,

Lisi



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squeeze and touchpad

[Atif CEYLAN]

Hi all,
I bought a new packard bell easynote lm98 laptop. 

synaptics and related packages are installed on my squeeze but my
touchpad's name is shown as  "Macintosh mouse button emulation" and my
keyboard's name is shown as  "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" in the
"dmesg | egrep -i 'input|touch|track" output. Which drivers or packages
should i install for keyboard and touchpad configurations? 

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havp package missing in squeeze

[Edward C. Lang]

Hi,

Does anyone know the status of the package havp for squeeze? The package
seems to be abandoned by the maintainer as the last two updates were
NMUs:


http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/h/havp/havp_0.91-1.2/changelog

http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2010/10/msg01172.html

Aside from the translation issues were there any other known reasons why
this package wasn't included in squeeze? The open grave bug, and open
serious bug were supposedly fixed in various uploads. 

Regards,

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disabling irq assigned to sata hard drives

[Mark Copper]

Hi All,

In the last week, my desktop has been disabled by disabling an IRQ
several times.

Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879005] irq 19: nobody cared (try
booting with the "irqpoll" option)
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879011] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not
tainted 2.6.32-5-686 #1
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879013] Call Trace:
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879019]  [] ?
__report_bad_irq+0x24/0x69
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879023]  [] ?
__report_bad_irq+0x2b/0x69
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879026]  [] ?
note_interrupt+0xe7/0x13e
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879029]  [] ?
handle_fasteoi_irq+0x7a/0x97
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879033]  [] ?
handle_irq+0x17/0x1b
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879037]  [] ? do_IRQ+0x38/0x89
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879040]  [] ?
common_interrupt+0x30/0x38
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879053]  [] ?
acpi_idle_enter_simple+0x117/0x151 [processor]
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879058]  [] ?
cpuidle_idle_call+0x68/0xbb
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879061]  [] ? cpu_idle+0x89/0xa5
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879063] handlers:
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879065] []
(irq_handler+0x0/0x35e [firewire_ohci])
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879073] []
(piix_interrupt+0x0/0x16a [ata_piix])
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879078] []
(piix_interrupt+0x0/0x16a [ata_piix])
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879083] []
(usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x71 [usbcore])
Feb 20 14:46:05 rigel kernel: [17358.879092] Disabling IRQ #19

irq is tied to two sata hard drives:

root@rigel:/var/log# cat /proc/interrupts
CPU0   CPU1
   0: 212138 156976   IO-APIC-edge  timer
   1: 29 21   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
   5:  0  0   IO-APIC-edge  parport0
   8:  0  0   IO-APIC-edge  rtc0
   9:  0  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
  16:  10284   8549   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb3
  18:   8428  10122   IO-APIC-fasteoi   pata_marvell,
ehci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb5, uhci_hcd:usb8
  19:  14286  13789   IO-APIC-fasteoi   firewire_ohci,
ata_piix, ata_piix, uhci_hcd:usb7
  21:  0  0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb4
  22:325238   IO-APIC-fasteoi   HDA Intel
  23: 13 15   IO-APIC-fasteoi   ehci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb6
  27:   3374   2647   PCI-MSI-edge  eth0
  28:   2514   2460   PCI-MSI-edge  i915

These hard drives look like this to lspci -v:

00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port
SATA IDE Controller #1 (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO])
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 0028
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
I/O ports at f190 [size=8]
I/O ports at f180 [size=4]
I/O ports at f170 [size=8]
I/O ports at f160 [size=4]
I/O ports at f150 [size=16]
I/O ports at f140 [size=16]
Capabilities: [70] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [b0] PCI Advanced Features
Kernel driver in use: ata_piix

00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port
SATA IDE Controller #2 (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 0028
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
I/O ports at f130 [size=8]
I/O ports at f120 [size=4]
I/O ports at f110 [size=8]
I/O ports at f100 [size=4]
I/O ports at f0f0 [size=16]
I/O ports at f0e0 [size=16]
Capabilities: [70] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [b0] PCI Advanced Features
Kernel driver in use: ata_piix

This is a brand new machine with an Intel DG43GT motherboard, BIOS
looks up to date, running this kernel:

 uname -a
Linux rigel 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:01:41 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

How can I narrow the problem down?  For example, the box isn't using
the firewire or usb7 ports; could I remove them, just to make sure
it's the sata drives?

How could I tell if this is a hardware problem as opposed to a bug?

Is there other relevant data I should be considering?

Thanks.

Mark


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Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 27 feb 11, 12:05:11, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> My system:
> 
> Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet

Watch for firmware errors in dmesg and install the apropiate package 
from non-free if needed

> AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ
> EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics card, fanless (by design)

If you need 3d performance you'll need to activate non-free and install 
the package nvidia-glx

> 4GB RAM

If you go with 32bit install (i386) I would recommend the -amd64 kernel.

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Re: apt-setup

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 27 feb 11, 16:27:49, Lisi wrote:
> I am a little confused about this.  I had never heard of it, so have been 
> looking it up.  There is no man entry, and the man apt entry, which mentions 
> and gives hyperlinks to toher apt applications (apt-cache etc.) does nto 
> mention it.
> 
> Googling brings up the information that Potato users used to use it to 
> configure their /etc/apt/sources.list, and the installer still uses it for 
> the same purpose.  But I could find no trace of any recent usage by users 
> wanting to (re)configure their sources.list.  Comments gratefully received!

A quick Google search revealed a post of *mine* from 2007 stating it is 
in the base-config package.

AFAIR base-config was the second stage of the installer for sarge (you 
had to run that at the console after the first reboot, to set-up the 
timezone, apt, etc.) . Etch already had a one-stage install; base-config 
was merged with the first stage.

What are you trying to achieve? If you need some interface to change 
sources.list try synaptic ;)

Regards,
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Re: Sid still wants to remove nvidia-glx (was Re: sid: upgrade wants to remove xserver packages)

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/27/2011 02:41 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-02-27 09:04 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:


On 02/07/2011 12:40 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-02-07 19:33 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:


The problem for me is that dist-upgrade wants to install
libdrm-nouveau1, which blasts nvidia-glx.


No, nvidia-glx is broken by the xserver-xorg-core upgrade.



Any word on this?  (The rest of X seems to be fixed...)


Subscribe to the relevant bugs¹ if you want to be informed about their
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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

[shawn wilson]

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <
b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote:

>
> In <4d685bbb.2010...@gmail.com>, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> >More garbage. There are _many_ good reasons to reboot a UNIX or
> >GNU/Linux server:
> >
> >* Forcing applications to use the new libraries.
>
> Poor reason; I've never found an application that needed a reboot to fix
> this.  (Yes, you need to restart the application, but not the OS.)
>
> lets look at this for a second. lets look at the libraries that init uses:
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ ldd
/sbin/init
linux-vdso.so.1 =>  (0x7fffe94c1000)
libsepol.so.1 => /lib/libsepol.so.1 (0x7f9122b44000)
libselinux.so.1 => /lib/libselinux.so.1 (0x7f9122928000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x7f91225d5000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x7f91223d1000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f9122d7e000)

so, then lets see what package these are a part of:
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ dpkg --search
/lib/libsepol.so.1
libsepol1: /lib/libsepol.so.1
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ dpkg --search
/lib/libselinux.so.1
libselinux1: /lib/libselinux.so.1
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ dpkg --search
/lib/libc.so.6
libc6: /lib/libc.so.6
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ dpkg --search
/lib/libdl.so.2
libc6: /lib/libdl.so.2

ok, now how old are these packages:
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ ls -l
/var/cache/apt/archives/libsepol1_2.0.30-2_amd64.deb
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 124930 2010-12-04 19:47
/var/cache/apt/archives/libsepol1_2.0.30-2_amd64.deb
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ ls -l
/var/cache/apt/archives/libselinux1_2.0.65-5_amd64.deb
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 77714 2010-12-04 19:47
/var/cache/apt/archives/libselinux1_2.0.65-5_amd64.deb
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ ls -l
/var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i386_2.7-18lenny7_amd64.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3653598 2011-01-11 14:38
/var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i386_2.7-18lenny7_amd64.deb

hummm, so libc6 was updated on january 11, when did i last reboot this box?
swilson@swilson-mbp-vdebian:~/catalyst/New/lib/New/Controller$ uptime
 19:28:15 up 41 days, 17:35,  6 users,  load average: 1.72, 0.72, 0.26

so, i'm pretty sure that whatever got fixed in libc6 is not fixed on this
box if it deals with the base library. maybe i'm wrong - i'm pretty sure
it's possible to link a new library to a running process but i don't know.
and i don't know whether the dpkg scripts will do this whenever a new
library is installed for a running process.


> >* Ensuring all hardware is still in good, working order.
>
> Good reason.
>
> iirc, if the device was made properly, when you reload a driver, it will
reboot the device.


>
> >* Even modifying partitions or filesystems to accommodate new storage
> needs.
>
> I've done quite a bit of this live.  LVM is good stuff.  Sound be in most
> environments.
>

on a default debian install, there is no extra space to resize lvm. i
suppose, if you have a decent scsi / sas controller, you can hot plug a
drive and get it to innitiate and add the volume. however, with default
debian on consumer hardware, if you want to resize something, you're going
to reboot.

Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 27 feb 11, 10:49:28, Brian wrote:
> 
> The same thing came into my mind at the time but I moved on. Perhaps it
> has been fixed in a daily build. I don't like reporting as bugs
> something which I'm not sure about so I'll have a closer look at it
> today. Which package would I report the bug against?

I think the recommended way is to just run installation-report after the 
install.

Regards,
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Intermittent internet since upgrading to squeeze

[George]

Ever since I upgraded to squeeze I have intermittent internet. It works for
about 30-45 seconds, then it stops. I have to do

ifdown -a
ifup -a

which brings it back, only for it to go down again. The strange part is that
no such problems occur when booting into recovery mode. I tried disabling
ipv6 at the kernel level but it didn't make any difference. This is simple
Ethernet networking and it was working fine in lenny.

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/27/2011 02:05 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it 
since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting 
a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and SELinux is an option, 
not the default, I've settled on Debian 6.  However, my custom-built system is 
mostly 5 year old hardware, and I want to get away from today's CPU-cycle 
eating, eye-candy, desktop environments, the features of which are mostly 
wasted on me, and go with the efficiency of a pure window manager set up.  That 
is, no GNOME, KDE, etc. installed at all.  I've chosen Openbox as the window 
manager as it seems to offer an efficient balance between features and RAM 
usage.

VirtualBox tests with Debian 6 RC2 32-bit look good.

My system:

Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet
AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ
EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics card, fanless (by design)
4GB RAM
160GB SATA HD
Pioneer DVR-112D IDE DVD/CD Writer

Any opinions, suggestions or pitfalls?

I'll dual boot keeping Fedora 12 currently on the system as a fallback.



That's a heck of a lot like my system (except that my mobo is newer 
and CPU & GPU are slower), and Sid with the XFce DE works perfectly 
on it.


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Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?

[Celejar]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:49:51 +0200
Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 16:22, Celejar  wrote:
> > [Please don't cc me on replies.]
> >
> 
> Sorry. The Open Office list is just the opposite (we _must_ cc as one
> need not be subscribed to post, and lots of new users don't
> subscribe). I'm on 40+ lists so I loose track.

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Re: need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release

[kuLa]

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On 27/02/11 18:51, pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
> Some background information:
> 

sic

> 2011-02-27 09:04:28 1Ptj6i-0004BD-8e failed to expand "<; ${if
> exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}
> {${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}}}{} }"
> while checking a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for
> linear search: Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)
> 2011-02-27 10:56:51 1PtkrT-gF-5a failed to expand "<; ${if
> exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}
> {${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}}}{} }"
> while checking a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for
> linear search: Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)

looks like wrong permitions on a file /etc/exim4/passwd.client check
what uid and gid has exim user and then check if above file can be read
by it, cause it looks like can't

> I look at the file, /etc/exim4/passwd.client, and it contains exactly
> the same bytes as it has always contained since many months ago when I
> first got the setup working. It contains
> one line that is not a comment, and immediately above is a comment that
> specifies the required format. These are:

content prolly is the same, privileges I suppose are not

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Re (2): Sound lost - SOLVED

[peasthope]

Anthony,

From:   Anthony Campbell 
Date:   Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:29:30 +
> Well, in the end it was the sound card. I replaced it with a new one and
> sound is now working again. 

If the new card uses a driver different from the previous, another 
possibility is a bug related to that driver.  This is one of those 
rare situations where even a responsible person might consider testing 
in a MS system.  
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How do I tel SSL to trust a certificate?

[Marc Shapiro]

I am trying to access my work computer from home using the Citrix 
client.  First, I connect to the companies web-site and log in.  I 
navigate from there to a link for remote login.  On selecting that, I 
should be presented with a login for my computer at work.  This has 
worked in the past, but I am now getting the following error:


You have not chosen to trust "VeriSign 3 Public Primary Certification 
Authority - G3", the issuer of the server's security certificate (SSL 
error 61).



The following Verisign certificates are in /usr/share/ca-certificates:

VeriSign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G5.crt
Verisign_Class_1_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.crt
Verisign_Class_1_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G2.crt
Verisign_Class_1_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G3.crt
Verisign_Class_2_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.crt
Verisign_Class_2_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G2.crt
Verisign_Class_2_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G3.crt
Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority.crt
Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G2.crt
Verisign_Class_3_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G3.crt
Verisign_Class_4_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G2.crt
Verisign_Class_4_Public_Primary_Certification_Authority_-_G3.crt
Verisign_RSA_Secure_Server_CA.crt
Verisign_Time_Stamping_Authority_CA.crt


I have run dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates, but I am still getting the 
above error.


How do I set the configurations to trust the certificate, or at least 
ask me if it should be accepted this time (as it used to do)?


Marc


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Re: Squeeze: can Bluetooth headset work without pulseaudio???

[Celejar]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:55:42 -0500
John  wrote:

>  I have used pulseaudio in the past, and it was horrible to install
> and understand.  But for a while, I had it working on some machine or
> other, with Etch or Lenny (I think).  Sinks, sources, wonderful.  That
> machine is long gone.
> 
> I recently installed Squeeze/KDE 4.45, and I wanted to use a bluetooth
> headset.  My Googling led me to believe that it CAN NOT be done
> without pulseaudio.  So I spent hours on getting pulseaudio working,
> sometimes, except when it doesn't, and kaffeine freezes, or youtube
> goes silent.  If it's not working right, just reboot and it might work
> differently for a few minutes.  And, like all linuxers, I hate
> rebooting.
> 
> I haven't even tried adding the headset yet, because pulseaudio isn't
> working, not really.  What I really want to do is rip out all the
> pulseaudio stuff and go back to straight ALSA or whatever it was that
> was working so well before.
> 
> So my FIRST QUESTION, obviously:  Is there ANY way to run Bluetooth
> headsets through a USB dongle, without pulseaudio, on Squeeze/KDE4.  I
> figure if it's impossible, then choosing between using pulseaudio and
> doing the impossible, I have to go with pulseaudio, but it's a close
> call.

I wish I knew.  I've wasted hours trying to get a bluetooth headset
working, without success.  Documentation is horrible, and everything
you find is incomplete and / or outdated.  Never really had the
patience to install the whole pulseaudio shebang just to do something
really simple that absolutely shouldn't require it.

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Re: Sid still wants to remove nvidia-glx (was Re: sid: upgrade wants to remove xserver packages)

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-02-27 09:04 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 02/07/2011 12:40 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2011-02-07 19:33 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> The problem for me is that dist-upgrade wants to install
>>> libdrm-nouveau1, which blasts nvidia-glx.
>>
>> No, nvidia-glx is broken by the xserver-xorg-core upgrade.
>>
>
> Any word on this?  (The rest of X seems to be fixed...)

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Re: [OT] programming Dbus

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Jeffrin Jose wrote:

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:25:58AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Anybody tried using dbus as root non-gui like Hal does?


Following link may be helpful for you...
1. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dbus.html

Try using the following files in root mode.
1. http://www.beautifulwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dbus-ping-send.c
2. http://www.beautifulwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dbus-ping-listen.c

I had compile errors. I have not fixed it. 
You can try it out for yourself.


Thanks Jeffrin. Still having compile errors.
Here is another interesting example for Qt.

http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/QtDbus_quick_tutorial

Hugo




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Re: Apt Crippled

[David Baron]

On Sunday 20 February 2011 21:42:29 David Baron wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 February 2011 22:56:40 David Baron wrote:
> > On Saturday 12 February 2011 22:54:16 David Baron wrote:
> > > On Saturday 12 February 2011 21:30:20 debian-user-digest-
> > > 
> > > requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:
> > > > > For several days (after squeeze release), I have been getting the
> > > > > following
> > > > > 
> > > > > error and can no longer run anything in apt, update or upgrading:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Reading package lists... Error!
> > > > > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
> > > > > E: Problem with MergeList
> > > > > /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.co.il_debian_dists_testing_contrib_i18n_T
> > > > > ra ns la tion- en
> > > > > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What to do about it
> > > > 
> > > > Moving the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ out of the way and rerunning
> > > > apt-get update is worth a try.
> > > 
> > > Did that. It stumbles at the same point:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Get:147 http://debian.co.il stable/non-free Translation-en
> > > 99% [143 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to debian.co.il]
> > > [Waiting for headers]943 kB/s 0sbzip2:
> > > (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
> > > 99% [144 Translation-en_US bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to debian.co.il]
> > > [Waiting for headers] 943 kB/s 0sbzip2: (stdin)
> > > is not a bzip2 file.
> > > 99% [145 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to debian.co.il]
> > > [Waiting for headers]943 kB/s 0sbzip2:
> > > (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
> > > * * * *
> > > 
> > > The error shown in synaptic also indicates this point of error:
> > > 
> > > E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
> > > E: Problem with MergeList
> > > /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.co.il_debian_dists_testing_contrib_i18n_Trans
> > > la ti on- en
> > > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
> > > E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
> > 
> > All of these files contain a  ... no such file  error message, 80
> > chars.
> > 
> > Error persists. No upgrades. No reportbug-ng. Nada. Has something been
> > fixed that can be manually installed (since apt wont work any more--will
> > dpkg)?
> 
> How to get this mess to work?
> Remove from var/lib/apt/lists all *Translations*
> *nemerle*
> *experimental*
> 
> I took all mirrors off sources.list except debian's own.

OK, so with this messy procedure, I CAN upgrade. Nermerle is certainly 
expendable. What no translations means, I have not noticed. Of course, NO 
access to any experimental packages (in case I am too impatient of QT4.7 and 
such :-(

Has anyone one else had these errors? Seems this has been going on long enough 
for mirror problems to have be corrected.


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Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

[Patrick Bartek]

Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it 
since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting 
a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and SELinux is an option, 
not the default, I've settled on Debian 6.  However, my custom-built system is 
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eating, eye-candy, desktop environments, the features of which are mostly 
wasted on me, and go with the efficiency of a pure window manager set up.  That 
is, no GNOME, KDE, etc. installed at all.  I've chosen Openbox as the window 
manager as it seems to offer an efficient balance between features and RAM 
usage.

VirtualBox tests with Debian 6 RC2 32-bit look good.

My system:

Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet
AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ
EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics card, fanless (by design)
4GB RAM
160GB SATA HD
Pioneer DVR-112D IDE DVD/CD Writer

Any opinions, suggestions or pitfalls?

I'll dual boot keeping Fedora 12 currently on the system as a fallback.

Thanks.

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Re: opened OpenSSL port

[Jeffrin Jose]

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 01:50:24AM -0800, erikmccaskey64 wrote:
> Main question: is it safe, to open a port for an openssl server? 

It may be safe not to open a port because it can cause attacks.
It may not be safe to close a port because you may not be able to run the 
service.
So it may be safe to open and protect yourself.



> Is it secure? - it could be DOSed' [DenialofService] or could it be attacked 
> in any way?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack


> Are there any iptables rule for restricting connections to dyndns names?

Look and see if the following link helps.
http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2002-March/031869.html


> How could i restrict the openssl server to only accept traffic from given 
> clients? Please help me "think"..
> 
> Or are there any "production ready" methods, that can do authentication too? 
> [+using ssl].
> "openssl s_server" and "openssl s_client" would be perfect, but the problem 
> is it doesn't has username/password auth :\

http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Apache/apache-SSL.html
Following the above may help you.

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Re: dd or cp over network: should I use scp?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:01:00 +0100
David Jardine  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:40:55PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>  
> > I don't consider a debian-user subscriber a "typical desktop / laptop 
> > user" :)
> 
> A typical debian-user subscriber may not be a typical desktop/laptop 
> user, but a typical Debian desktop/laptop user may well be a 
> debian-user subscriber, I think.

FWIW, I was the one who originally used the phrase in question, and
that's pretty much what I meant.

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Re: Reading later boot files failed

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:08:39 +0800, waterloo wrote:
 
> 2011/2/28 Camaleón
> 
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:02:16 +0800, waterloo wrote:
>>
>> > Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading early boot files
>>
>> A quick Google search returns that this message can be related to
>> "readahead" (or "readahead-fedora") package. Do you have it installed?

> Yes , I install readahead-fedora .
> How to make readahead-fedora work correctly ? Thanks a lot !

To be sincere, I don't even know what is that package intended for (this 
is the first time I see it). But if you have it in your system it must be 
for something, right? I think it is not installed by default ;-)

There must be information on how this daemon works in the manual or 
README file and if you don't need it, you can disable it via "/etc/
default/readahead-fedora" file.

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Re: need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110227105102.36f21...@resin14.mta.everyone.net>, 
pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
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How to manage iPod and keep it in sync

[Simon Brandmair]

Hi group,

I am looking for a program to properly manage my iPod. I am aware of some 
programs to add and delete songs (like amarok), but I am looking for a 
program which
 * displays missing files on iPod, which are in local music collection
 * syncs by prompting to add them to iPod or delete them on local 
collection
  * displays missing file on local collection, which are on iPod
  * syncs by prompting to add them to local collection or delete them on 
iPod

I would really appreciate some pointers.
Cheers,
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Re: Reading later boot files failed

[waterloo]

Yes , I install readahead-fedora .
How to make readahead-fedora work correctly ?
Thanks a lot !

2011/2/28 Camaleón 

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:02:16 +0800, waterloo wrote:
>
> > Below is my /var/log/boot file . Thanks
>
> Keeping the interesting data and removing the rest of the logs:
>
> > Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading later boot files
> (...)
> > Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading later boot files...
> > ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m
> (...)
> > Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading early boot files
>
> A quick Google search returns that this message can be related to
> "readahead" (or "readahead-fedora") package. Do you have it installed?
>
> Greetings,
>
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Re: Suspend to disk fails after Squeeze upgrade

[Richard Lawrence]

Hi Jeffrin,

Thanks for the advice.

> I think some module which help in the  suspend/resume
> process has failed to complete initialization.
> EDAC(Error Correction And Detection) module might
> have found error in a device or may be the module
> needs a patch.
>
> You can do dmesg | grep edac and see if there is 
> a probe failure for any device.

I have no output for dmesg | grep -i edac.

> I Think it is a kernel module issue.

Should the edac module be loaded once the system is booted?  I've got

$  modprobe -l | grep edac
kernel/drivers/edac/edac_core.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/edac_mce_amd.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/amd76x_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i5100_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i5400_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/e7xxx_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/e752x_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i82875p_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i82975x_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i3000_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i3200_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/x38_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/i82860_edac.ko
kernel/drivers/edac/r82600_edac.ko

But lsmod | grep edac turns up nada.

Thanks,
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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Joey Hess]

Peter Tynan wrote:
> One of the things I've never understood about Debian is why the wiki
> is so inactive when compared to other distributions, the simple fact
> of life is that nine times out of ten I find the information I'm
> looking for on the Arch or Gentoo wikis - not the Debian wiki.  I am
> now beginning to understand why, let me tell you a story...

This would be a better story if the "privacy policies" of *both* the Arch
and Gentoo wikis were not empty pages:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchWiki:Privacy_policy
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Gentoo_Linux_Wiki:Privacy_policy
(These wikis also ask for an email address on registration.)

I think that the actual reason you see those wikis in searches is that
one or both of those wikis have a community of users who contributes
articles on general topics, that are not specific to those
distributions. The Debian wiki, instead, tends to only contain
Debian-specific information. So these other wikis tend to be linked to
more, and thus a cycle is created.

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Re: Suspend to disk fails after Squeeze upgrade

[Richard Lawrence]

Camaleón  writes:

> Well, no kernel oops is "good" but if you can reproduce this kernel bug 
> every time you trigger the hibernation from GNOME when resuming the 
> system, at least you can open a bug for this in Debian BTS. You are 
> clearly having some sort of problem with the kernel.

Right on.  Thanks.  I'll keep testing.

> OTOH, because of the weird behaviour you are experiencing with the delay 
> on booting, I would also look for any BIOS update.

Another good idea.  Thanks for your help!

Best,
Richard


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need help debugging my email in squeeze and/or testing (both) not merely old squeeze from before the release

Some background information:I have used mutt/fetchmail/exim4 for several years without much problem. I keep backup copies of /etc so I am confident that my exim4 configuration is the same as it was whenit last worked a few days ago. I have looked at the config file that is causing a problem and it is correctly formatted (i.e. not corrupted by garbage and contining information whichworks in other contexts) But for reasons that are too complex to go into, I got my computer into a state where I needed to re-install Squeeze from scratch.  And ...now exim4 is unable to send email to the SMTP server that I use. It is not something outside at my ISP because the exim4 scripts (or whatever) leave a paniclog message in/var/log/exim4, which reads as follows:2011-02-27 09:04:28 1Ptj6i-0004BD-8e failed to expand "<; ${if exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client} {${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}}}{} }" while checking a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for linear search: Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)2011-02-27 10:56:51 1PtkrT-gF-5a failed to expand "<; ${if exists{/etc/exim4/passwd.client} {${lookup{$host}nwildlsearch{/etc/exim4/passwd.client}{$host_address}}}{} }" while checking a list: failed to open /etc/exim4/passwd.client for linear search: Permission denied (euid=102 egid=104)I look at the file, /etc/exim4/passwd.client, and it contains exactly the same bytes as it has always contained since many months ago when I first got the setup working. It containsone line that is not a comment, and immediately above is a comment that specifies the required format. These are:### target.mail.server.example:login:passwordsmtp.everyone.net:pecon...@mesanetworks.net:--- (note: my password is not actually a bunch of hyphens ;-)(except that I haven't revealed the actual password, But I know that password is good because I am using the web connection to my ISP to write this email and I used the samepassword to log on to the web mail. And anyway, the error message is about being unable to parse the content of this file, not that it is an incorrect password.)I also tried installing the current testing (Wheezy) and found the same problem. The behavior of the reinstalled system indicate to me that although I was frequently upgradingwhile squeeze was still testing, the many packages were not, in fact, being kept in sync with the repository, i.e. a persistent cryptic (hidden) problem in aptitude. But for nowI'd just like to get email working again.I am able to receive email. The same password continues to work in the fetchmailrc. Please help.Paulpecon...@mesanetworks.net

Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Peter Tynan 
wrote:
>I'm not signing up for another mailing list just to make a
>single post

Most Debian mailing lists do not require subscription in order to post.  Most 
users of Debian mailing lists will honor a request to be CC'd on replies, as 
instructed in the code of conduct.
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Re: bash variables

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110225222127.GA1996@playground>, Mike McClain wrote:
>This only bites me once in a while but when it does it can be very
>frustrating so any hints / tips are welcome.

FOO="stuff 'with' qu\"otes"
echo $FOO
echo stuff 'with' qu\"otes

Yes, quote removal happens after parameter expansion, but it only removes 
quotes that existed before expansion.  So, your find and grep are choking on 
quotes.
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Re: Debian Squeeze Dovecot Sieve

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <1298740005.3781.4.camel@michael-laptop>, Michael wrote:
>Anyone got any pointers on installing sieve on Squeeze?

The sieve plugin to dovecot is included in the Debian packaging.  I used 
cmusieve with dovecot in Lenny (through Debian packaging) and I upgrade that 
system to Squeeze and migrated to dovecot's native sieve earlier this month.
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Re: dhcpd tftp boot server configuration

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110225224107.36ea4...@resin06.mta.everyone.net>, urpion urpion wrote:
>Hello! I need
[...]
>declaration?here's what I got in
>/etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf## Sample
>configuration file for ISC dhcpd for
>Debian### The

I can't understand you through the HTML.  Also, it is against list policy to 
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Re: Things I Don't Understand About Debian

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4d685bbb.2010...@gmail.com>, Aaron Toponce wrote:
>More garbage. There are _many_ good reasons to reboot a UNIX or
>GNU/Linux server:
>
>* Proper maintenance ensuring all services start on boot.

Good reason.

>* Cleaning out stale memory and swap as a "refresh".

Poor reason; almost all of this can be done live.  What can't be done live 
will most likely slow down your system when it is "undone" by the reboot.

>* Booting into a new kernel.

Good reason.

>* Forcing applications to use the new libraries.

Poor reason; I've never found an application that needed a reboot to fix 
this.  (Yes, you need to restart the application, but not the OS.)

>* Ensuring all hardware is still in good, working order.

Good reason.

>* Running filesystem checks on filesystems to make sure data is sound.

For anything but '/' this can be done without rebooting.
For '/', you have to boot into a different environment, which is even more 
severe than a reboot.

>* Even modifying partitions or filesystems to accommodate new storage needs.

I've done quite a bit of this live.  LVM is good stuff.  Sound be in most 
environments.
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Re: Reading later boot files failed

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:02:16 +0800, waterloo wrote:

> Below is my /var/log/boot file . Thanks

Keeping the interesting data and removing the rest of the logs:

> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading later boot files
(...)
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading later boot files...
> ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m
(...)
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading early boot files

A quick Google search returns that this message can be related to 
"readahead" (or "readahead-fedora") package. Do you have it installed?

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Re: Another "No devices found" in X problem

[Steve McCarthy]

On Sunday 27 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> I wonder what is the current status for Sandy Bridge in current Debian
> releases :-?
> 
> I've read that Intel X driver 2.14.0 does fully support that chipset
> (H67) but you seem to be using 2.13.0 and Xorg 1.7.7. Will that combo
> work?
> 
> Greetings,


Oh, I forget to mention I'm running Sid.  In all my searching I never 
found reference to Xorg / Sandy Bridge driver problems.  Then again, I 
never found success stories either.

Yes, I saw that driver in experiental, but the +exp suffix put me off.  
I'm out of ideas so I better read the changelog.

Thanks,
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Re: Reading later boot files failed

[waterloo]

Below is my /var/log/boot file . Thanks

> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Setting parameters of disc: (none).
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Setting preliminary keymap...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Activating swap...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Checking root file system...fsck from
>> util-linux-ng 2.17.2
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: debian: clean, 378129/1321920 files,
>> 3426756/5280512 blocks
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Cleaning up ifupdown
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Setting up networking
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Loading kernel modules...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Setting up LVM Volume Groups  Reading all
>> physical volumes.  This may take a while...
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011:   No volume groups found
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011:   No volume groups found
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011:   No volume groups found
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: .
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Activating lvm and md swap...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Checking file systems...fsck from util-linux-ng
>> 2.17.2
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:43 2011: Mounting local filesystems...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Activating swapfile swap...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Cleaning up temporary files
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Configuring network interfaces...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Starting portmap daemon
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Starting NFS common utilities: statd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Cleaning up temporary files
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Setting up ALSA...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: Setting console screen modes and fonts.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:44 2011: ^[]R^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Setting up console font and
>> keymap...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Skip starting firewall: ufw (not enabled)...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Setting kernel variables ...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading later boot files
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Setting sensors limits.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: INIT: Entering runlevel: 2
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel
>> 2.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Setting sensors limits.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading later boot files...
>> ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Enabling additional executable binary formats:
>> binfmt-support.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting NFS common utilities: statd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Reading early boot files
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting enhanced syslogd: rsyslogd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting polipo: polipo.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Checking battery state...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting portmap daemon...Already running..
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting system message bus: dbus.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting anac(h)ronistic cron: anacron.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting network connection manager:
>> NetworkManager.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting deferred execution scheduler: atd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting hdapsd
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Selected interface:
>> HDAPS
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Selected HDAPS input
>> device: /dev/input/event16
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:45 2011: Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting bluetooth: bluetoothd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting ACPI services
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting acpi_fakekey daemon...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting preload: preload.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting ClamAV virus database updater:
>> freshclam.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:46 2011: Starting DNS forwarder and DHCP server: dnsmasq.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:47 2011: Setting parameters of disc: (none).
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:47 2011: Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not
>> reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1
>> for ServerName
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:47 2011: .
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:47 2011: Starting periodic command scheduler: cron.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:47 2011: Starting mouse interface server: gpm.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:47 2011: Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: Starting disk temperature monitoring daemon:
>> hddtemp:  /dev/sda.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: Starting kerneloops:
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: Loading cpufreq kernel modules...done
>> (acpi-cpufreq).
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: CPUFreq Utilities: Setting ondemand CPUFreq
>> governor...CPU0...CPU1...done.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: Starting NTP server: ntpd.
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned
>
> Mon Feb 28 01:57:48 2011: Setting sysfs var

Re: apt-setup

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Lisi,

you may want to read

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html

Have fun,
Jerome

On 27/02/11 17:27, Lisi wrote:

I am a little confused about this.  I had never heard of it, so have been
looking it up.  There is no man entry, and the man apt entry, which mentions
and gives hyperlinks to toher apt applications (apt-cache etc.) does nto
mention it.

Googling brings up the information that Potato users used to use it to
configure their /etc/apt/sources.list, and the installer still uses it for
the same purpose.  But I could find no trace of any recent usage by users
wanting to (re)configure their sources.list.  Comments gratefully received!

Lisi





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apt-setup

[Lisi]

I am a little confused about this.  I had never heard of it, so have been 
looking it up.  There is no man entry, and the man apt entry, which mentions 
and gives hyperlinks to toher apt applications (apt-cache etc.) does nto 
mention it.

Googling brings up the information that Potato users used to use it to 
configure their /etc/apt/sources.list, and the installer still uses it for 
the same purpose.  But I could find no trace of any recent usage by users 
wanting to (re)configure their sources.list.  Comments gratefully received!

Lisi


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Re: weird font problem with white lines

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:50:19 +0530, Abhishek Dasgupta wrote:

> This problem appears on a fresh Debian 6 install -- it is intermittent
> and the position of the white lines vary. I can not track the source of
> the problem and it seems to affect all fonts at some time or the other.
> 
> This picture will explain it much better than words:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/abhidg/5482331816/

(...)

Does it happen with a concrete app (web browser) or with any program you 
open? The latter could indicate a problem with the graphic driver in use.
 
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Re: Squeeze: can Bluetooth headset work without pulseaudio???

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:55:42 -0500, John wrote:

> I recently installed Squeeze/KDE 4.45, and I wanted to use a bluetooth
> headset.  My Googling led me to believe that it CAN NOT be done without
> pulseaudio.  

(...)

I dunno where your googling led you but this blog entry seems to be 
pretty explanatory of what is needed:

BlueDevil, the new KDE bluetooth stack is here
http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-the-new-kde-bluetooth-stack-is-here/

Reading the "dependencies" part we can see:

- PulseAudio, or a proper configured Alsa (with the bluetooth hook)

By "alsa with bluetooth hook" I suppose it refers to package "bluez-alsa" 
instead its PA counterpart. Anyway, whether that combination works or not 
I can't tell (using GNOME here).

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weird font problem with white lines

[Abhishek Dasgupta]

Hello,

This problem appears on a fresh Debian 6 install -- it is intermittent
and the position of the white lines vary. I can not track the source
of the problem and it seems to affect all fonts at some time or the
other.

This picture will explain it much better than words:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/abhidg/5482331816/

An initial search did not get me any cases where people have
experienced this problem.

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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Peter Tynan]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Simon Hollenbach wrote:


- Original message -

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:26:57 +0100, Simon Hollenbach wrote:


I hereby ask the OP to post the link when a bug was opened...



At the moment it is way, way past my bed-time (I'm desperately trying to 
stay awake until the cricket commentary finishes) so I don't quite trust 
myself to file the bug report now but I'll post the link once I've has 
some sleep.


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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:53:09 +0100, Simon Hollenbach wrote:

>> (please, avoid using html)
> Sorry about that, i took the time to dig in modest, my mail client, to
> find that option. I prefer it as well, so thanks...

No problem.

>> That is something up to wiki maintainers/admins, so you should contact
>> and discuss the right status for that page with them.

> Have you got a proposed way how to accomplish that most easily? I think
> the bug report should be sufficient, I hereby ask the OP to post the
> link when a bug was opened...

There are many ways. Opening a bug report is one of them. Asking in their 
mailing list or using IRC is another. To be sincere, I think whatever 
path you take it will reach the right person/people :-)

>> People, that is what a Wiki is: freely editable by anyone with an
>> account.

> Sure. But thats why I think a wiki is not the best place to post a
> privacy statement and such.

AFAICT, that Privacy statement is just for the wiki (its content and 
management), not for the whole Debian web pages. OTOH, one of the 
advantages of most wiki based content systems is that all changes are 
recorded and you can monitor special pages so if someone edits a 
monitored page you receive a warning via e-mail (I hope "moinmoin" also 
allows that).

>> If you want to improve those things, try by contacting the wiki admins.

> I hesitate on doing that now as I suppose the wiki-admins got more
> important stuff to do. If someone would confirm that this wouldn't be
> 'annoying', I will write to them.

Those changes (making a wiki page closed for edition or restricted) tend 
to be discussed between all the members of the wiki team. I dunno if this 
remains true for Debian wiki.
 
> Hope I got the mail format right this time, if not, tell me.

Yes, this went fine.

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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Simon Hollenbach]

- Original message -
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:26:57 +0100, Simon Hollenbach wrote:
> 
> (please, avoid using html)
Sorry about that, i took the time to dig in modest, my mail client, to find 
that option. I prefer it as well, so thanks... 
> That is something up to wiki maintainers/admins, so you should contact 
> and discuss the right status for that page with them.
Have you got a proposed way how to accomplish that most easily? I think the bug 
report should be sufficient, I hereby ask the OP to post the link when a bug 
was opened...
> People, that is what a Wiki is: freely editable by anyone with an
> account.
Sure. But thats why I think a wiki is not the best place to post a privacy 
statement and such.
> If you want to improve those things, try by contacting the wiki admins.
I hesitate on doing that now as I suppose the wiki-admins got more important 
stuff to do. If someone would confirm that this wouldn't be 'annoying', I will 
write to them.

Hope I got the mail format right this time, if not, tell me.

Regards
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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:22:48 +, Peter Tynan wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> All valid concerns (#2 a bit paranoid, IMO), but I think they will be
>> better managed and properly addressed in the right mailing list:
>>
>> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact#content-admins
>>
>>
> Probably, but I'm not signing up for another mailing list just to make a
> single post - I've raised my concerns here mainly to see what other
> users think and raise awareness.  I will most likely follow through on
> the filing a bug report advice.

For someone who wants to collaborate in writing articles for the wiki, it 
is indeed a good idea. Note that you do not have to "subscribe" it to the 
list, you can use a news reader (or Gmane online form) or contact them 
via IRC.
 
> As to point two being paranoid, with the way that Debian has operated
> over the years I have used - yes probably, but times and policies change
> so yes I'd like a definitive statement.

Okay, but it's just a wiki and your e-mail address will be used only for 
login purposes (at least that's the way it worked in another wikis where 
I've participated) and I trust Debian enough to do not think they will be 
sending me spam or other e-mails I have not requested or that they'll be 
selling people's e-mails to third-party companies/projects.

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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Peter Tynan]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote:


On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:28:44 +, Peter Tynan wrote:

All valid concerns (#2 a bit paranoid, IMO), but I think they will be
better managed and properly addressed in the right mailing list:

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact#content-admins



Probably, but I'm not signing up for another mailing list just to make a 
single post - I've raised my concerns here mainly to see what other users 
think and raise awareness.  I will most likely follow through on the filing 
a bug report advice.


As to point two being paranoid, with the way that Debian has operated over 
the years I have used - yes probably, but times and policies change so yes 
I'd like a definitive statement.


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Re: Problems installing VLC

[Brian]

AG  wrote:

> I am having troubles installing VLC on testing/ wheezy.

You have now solved your problem but if you have Debian-Multimedia in
your sources.list it may have been the cause of your problem. My testing
upgrade today wanted to remove vlc and vlc-nox. Commenting out the D-M
archive and removing ffmpeg (which was from there) prevented that.

Some library incompatibility, I expect. I recollect on Lenny it was not
possible to have the Debian vlc and D-M ffmpeg together so it's not
unknown for the two archives not to mix.


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Re: Another "No devices found" in X problem

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:12:40 -0800, Steve McCarthy wrote:

(...)

> The vesa driver works fine.  I've since removed it and fbdev trying to
> force the intel choice.  Here's the resulting X.log:
(...)
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so (II) Module
> intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 2.13.0 Module class: X.Org
> Video Driver
> ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0
(...)
> (EE) No devices detected.
> 
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found
> 
> Any advice?  I've got 4 CPU's with nowhere to go.

I wonder what is the current status for Sandy Bridge in current Debian 
releases :-?

I've read that Intel X driver 2.14.0 does fully support that chipset 
(H67) but you seem to be using 2.13.0 and Xorg 1.7.7. Will that combo 
work?

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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:26:57 +0100, Simon Hollenbach wrote:

(please, avoid using html)

> Hello Camaléon,
> so we got a privacy statement, but as the wiki states, this shouldn't be
> part of what is editable by everyone, but become a static page.

That is something up to wiki maintainers/admins, so you should contact 
and discuss the right status for that page with them.

> Furthermore, I suppose a link from the registration page is missing,
> maybe for a good reason (it could be changed by everyone who thinks e.g.
> he/she has to be very funny)

People, that is what a Wiki is: freely editable by anyone with an account.

There are pages that can be protected but most of them will be 
susceptible to vandalism or user errors.
 
> I dont know if u read the statement, but AFAICS there is _no_ statement
> about the handling of submitted eMail-addresses. So the OP's concern is
> not resolved by this privacy policy.

If you want to improve those things, try by contacting the wiki admins.

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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:28:44 +, Peter Tynan wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorQuickStart#Account
> 
> Thanks for the link, three thoughts...
> 
> 1: II think it would be helpful if there were links to the Privacy and
> Copyright pages on the  registration page.
> 
> 2: Still does not answer my primary concern of what is the policy
> regarding email addresses of registered users (it makes a difference in
> terms of which email address I use).
> 
> 3: It's way too short - I'm one of those weird people that likes reading
> the small print.

All valid concerns (#2 a bit paranoid, IMO), but I think they will be 
better managed and properly addressed in the right mailing list:

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact#content-admins

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Re: How do you remotely access a home server/network?

[Brian]

On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 19:18:13 -0500, Slicky Johnson wrote:

> Jason, also have a look at the securing Debian manual with attention on
> ssh. Perhaps removing passwords all together and only using a key, no
> root, etc. From experience I will say moving your listening port from
> 22 to something else will keep your logs fairly clear. Internet facing
> machine I'm looking at right now only had 8 packets hit 22 yesterday.
> Dropped of course and not by chance from the same Chinese IP.

Well, that nicely sidestepped the question. :)

The noise on port 22 is of no importance. Its ability to breech sshd is
zero. It reminds me of the futile beating of moths' wings against the
outside of a window in a lighted room on a dark summer night


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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Peter Tynan]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote:


http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorQuickStart#Account


Thanks for the link, three thoughts...

1: II think it would be helpful if there were links to the Privacy and 
Copyright pages on the  registration page.


2: Still does not answer my primary concern of what is the policy 
regarding email addresses of registered users (it makes a difference in 
terms of which email address I use).


3: It's way too short - I'm one of those weird people that likes reading 
the small print.


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Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Simon Hollenbach]

- Original message -
/snip
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorQuickStart#Account
/snip

Hello Camaléon,
so we got a privacy statement, but as the wiki states, this shouldn't be part 
of what is editable by everyone, but become a static page. Furthermore, I 
suppose a link from the registration page is missing, maybe for a good reason 
(it could be changed by everyone who thinks e.g. he/she has to be very funny)

I dont know if u read the statement, but AFAICS there is _no_ statement about 
the handling of submitted eMail-addresses. So the OP's concern is not resolved 
by this privacy policy.

Regards
Simon

Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:31:56 +, Peter Tynan wrote:

> One of the things I've never understood about Debian is why the wiki is
> so inactive when compared to other distributions, the simple fact of
> life is that nine times out of ten I find the information I'm looking
> for on the Arch or Gentoo wikis - not the Debian wiki.  I am now
> beginning to understand why, let me tell you a story...

(...)

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorQuickStart#Account

:-)

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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

[Brian]

On Sun 27 Feb 2011 at 12:00:36 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> If you used the mini.iso to install to a different device[1], then it 
> sounds like a bug. I can't think of any reason for the installer to 
> offer anything but the MBR of the device holding /boot as *default* for 
> installing grub.

The same thing came into my mind at the time but I moved on. Perhaps it
has been fixed in a daily build. I don't like reporting as bugs
something which I'm not sure about so I'll have a closer look at it
today. Which package would I report the bug against?
 
> [1] it's probably less known that the mini.iso can be used to install on 
> the same device used to boot the installer from, a handy feature if you 
> ask me.

Definitely. Combining that with the loopback option in GRUB2 can be
interesting.


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Re: bash variables

[Mart Frauenlob]

On 25.02.2011 23:21, Mike McClain wrote:

I occasionally have problems with bash variables, for instance
the following command lists (along with everything else)
  2 *.deb files in /home/mike/

root@/deb40a:~>  FIND1="-maxdepth 1 -type f -print -name '*'"; \
 GREP="-v '\.\(deb\|gz\|tgz\|bz2\|tbz\|zip\)$'"; \
 find /home/mike/ $FIND1 | grep $GREP ;

while without variables;
root@/deb40a:~>  find /home/mike/ -maxdepth 1 -type f -print -name '*' |
 grep -v '\.\(deb\|gz\|tgz\|bz2\|tbz\|zip\)$'
does not list the 2 *.deb files.

In the same vein this command lists nothing:
root@/deb40a:~>  FIND="-name '*'"; find /root/bin $FIND
while
root@/deb40a:~>  find /root/bin -name '*'
lists 25 files.

This only bites me once in a while but when it does it can be very
frustrating so any hints / tips are welcome.
Thanks,
Mike McClain


I'd do:

find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -regextype posix-egrep -regex '.*\.(deb|gz)'

...

F="find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -regextype posix-egrep -regex .*\.(deb|gz)"
$F



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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 27 feb 11, 09:25:24, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 20:19:50 -0500, PMA wrote:
> 
> > Well, I've rebooted and come out alive.  So the Squeeze installer's
> > suggested GRUB destination, which I happily accepted, must have
> > been /dev/sdb.  Lucky me.  For next time, thanks for this alert!
> 
> I may have alarmed you unduly and should have mentioned the behaviour I
> experienced was with the netboot mini.iso. 

If you used the mini.iso to install to a different device[1], then it 
sounds like a bug. I can't think of any reason for the installer to 
offer anything but the MBR of the device holding /boot as *default* for 
installing grub.

[1] it's probably less known that the mini.iso can be used to install on 
the same device used to boot the installer from, a handy feature if you 
ask me.

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opened OpenSSL port

[erikmccaskey64]

Main question: is it safe, to open a port for an openssl server? 


e.g.:


server side - generate a self-signed cert.
time openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:8192 -keyout mycert.pem 
-out mycert.pem
openssl s_server -accept 52310 -cert mycert.pem


Is it secure? - it could be DOSed' [DenialofService] or could it be attacked in 
any way?


Are there any iptables rule for restricting connections to dyndns names?


e.g.: only allow connection from "asdfasdf.dyndns.com" and 
"asdfasdf2.dyndns.com" and "asdfasdf3.dyndns.com"?


How could i restrict the openssl server to only accept traffic from given 
clients? Please help me "think"..


Or are there any "production ready" methods, that can do authentication too? 
[+using ssl].
"openssl s_server" and "openssl s_client" would be perfect, but the problem is 
it doesn't has username/password auth :\


Thank you for any help.

Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

[Brian]

On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 20:19:50 -0500, PMA wrote:

> Well, I've rebooted and come out alive.  So the Squeeze installer's
> suggested GRUB destination, which I happily accepted, must have
> been /dev/sdb.  Lucky me.  For next time, thanks for this alert!

I may have alarmed you unduly and should have mentioned the behaviour I
experienced was with the netboot mini.iso. The netinst iso offered the
partitioned disk for GRUB installation. It's something to check,
however, rather than blindly accept.


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Re: How do you remotely access a home server/network?

[shawn wilson]

On Feb 27, 2011 3:23 AM, "Andrei Popescu"  wrote:
>
> On Sb, 26 feb 11, 18:11:08, Slicky Johnson wrote:
> >
> > The reason to move away from 22 is to give yourself an added buffer of
> > security for port sweeps by the script kiddies.
>
> IMVHO, I disagree. Moving a service away from it's default port does not
> bring additional security, just less noise in the logs.
>

It would do little for security. A mere stumbling block since nmap can get
the actual service type. Put it above 1024 and it might stop script kiddies
but anyone wanting to know what's up will know.

The other point is, run snort and do some research before you blame 'script
kiddies'. In my experience, most of the random port scans come from
government, universities, and (possibly) private statistics firms. I say
possibly because I couldn't be 100% sure about a few.

Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 26 feb 11, 23:31:56, Peter Tynan wrote:
> 
> On the registration page quite reasonably I'm asked for my email
> address HOWEVER I can find no link to any form of privacy statement
> saying what will be done with my email address so being a cautious
> netizen I do not register, I do not make my suggestion and I start to
> understand why the Debian wiki is so relatively inactive.

IMVHO, that's a valid concern. Please open a bug against the 
www.debian.org pseudo-package (severity: wishlist). I'm sure a suggested 
text would be much appreciated.

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[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 26 feb 11, 18:11:08, Slicky Johnson wrote:
> 
> The reason to move away from 22 is to give yourself an added buffer of
> security for port sweeps by the script kiddies. 

IMVHO, I disagree. Moving a service away from it's default port does not 
bring additional security, just less noise in the logs.

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Re: bash variables

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2011-02-27 09:12 (+0200), Teemu Likonen wrote:

> * 2011-02-25 14:21 (-0800), Mike McClain wrote:
>> root@/deb40a:~> FIND1="-maxdepth 1 -type f -print -name '*'"; \
>> GREP="-v '\.\(deb\|gz\|tgz\|bz2\|tbz\|zip\)$'"; \
>> find /home/mike/ $FIND1 | grep $GREP ; 

> Try removing the single quotes from hour FIND and GREP variables, or
> add another round of evaluation with "eval" command.

(I don't know where the "hour" came from. It should be "your")

This should work:

$ FIND1="-maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*' -print"
$ GREP1="-v '\.\(deb\|gz\|tgz\|bz2\|tbz\|zip\)$'"
$ eval find /home/mike $FIND1 | eval grep $GREP1

But really, if you are using Bash I'd suggest using arrays because
multiple evaluation, word splitting and escape rules become easily a
mess.

$ FIND2=( -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*' -print )
$ GREP2=( -v '\.\(deb\|gz\|tgz\|bz2\|tbz\|zip\)$' )
$ find /home/mike "${FIND2[@]}" | grep "${GREP2[@]}"


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Sid still wants to remove nvidia-glx (was Re: sid: upgrade wants to remove xserver packages)

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/07/2011 12:40 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-02-07 19:33 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:


The problem for me is that dist-upgrade wants to install
libdrm-nouveau1, which blasts nvidia-glx.


No, nvidia-glx is broken by the xserver-xorg-core upgrade.



Any word on this?  (The rest of X seems to be fixed...)

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