Re: File server without the Xserver

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 21:50 Sat 12 Mar, Leonardo Ruoso (leonardo.ru...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Is it  all about running gedit?
> 
> Although I can't imagine why you can't use vim, emacs or even nano from ssh
> it's pretty possible to download a copy of the file, edit it with your
> preferred editor and upload it back to the server.

Or:

In vim: edit vi ssh access:

vim scp://hostname/path/to/file

Or (as recently discussed):  mount the remote directory locally using
sshfs:

http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html

This last allows you to use /any/ locally supported editor or program to
your heart's content.

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Re: Manual Install of SILO/Debian

[A E [Gmail]]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Doug  wrote:

> The following assumes that (at least) the Solaris drive is IDE, not SATA.
> If it's SATA, then you need to
> find out if there are "master" channels and "slave" channels driving the
> hard disks, and proceed as
> suggested.  You can at least proceed with the Solaris drive disconnected,
> but then there may be a
> problem getting the system to boot off the Debian drive, unless the MOBO
> has "master" and "slave"
> SATA channels.
>
> You now have two hard drives.  Disconnect the one with the Solaris system
> on it.  Set drive number 2--
> the one you added--as master, and install Debian or whatever you want on
> it.  (I don't know what SILO
> is).  Now make the Solaris drive a slave.  You should now be able to boot
> Debian, and operate on the
> Solaris drive.
>
> The only way I can see this not working, is if there is some software on
> the motherboard, in a BIOS ROM
> that's customized.  In that case, you may have to try and determine whose
> MOBO it is, and find a
> generic ROM  for it.  The saving grace is that the ROM is almost certainly
> a plug-in part.  When you have
> that information, someone on the list here may be able to help. (Not me,
> unfortunately.)
>
> Well, that's what I'd try.  Somebody smarter than me may have a better
> solution.  Good luck!
>
> --doug
>
>
Thanks Doug, unfortunately I'm not physically there where the machine is
which is in another country but I do have serial/console access to it. So
anything that needs to be done physically won't be possible. I have to make
do with manipulating everything over the console using some cleaver tricks.
SILO is just a boot-manager like LILO or GRUB I think. However I just
realised that I don't need that since this isn't a Sparc machine...just an
x86 machine with Solaris on it, so I may be able to simply install Debian
for x86 on it which may be a little easier but again, I don't know how to do
that manually without booting from a CD, USB or Network. I found
netboot.tar.gz and other required files that linux uses to boot like
initrd.gz and vmlinuz but I don't know how to "install" them such that
they're read at boot time. Do I simply place them in the /boot partition of
the drive and assume that it will boot from there? I don't think it would be
that easy in my case because of the kind of hardware and the ROM that might
be on this which seems to boot directly into the Solaris Configuration
Assistant and then probably look for a Solaris boot image?

Re: Manual Install of SILO/Debian

[Doug]

On 03/12/2011 09:39 PM, A E [Gmail] wrote:

Hello All,

P.S> Sorry about cross-posting, but you never know who has the answer :)

This might be a stupid question but I'm wondering if someone knows 
(and if it's possible) to install debian on a hard drive manually from 
a "boot.img" file?


I have a situation like so:

an x86 machine with Solaris 8 preinstalled on it. It's an appliance 
from a vendor who's hardened it and/or made it in a way that no matter 
what one does it always boots into this customized Solaris 8 OS 
automatically starting their software. I added an extra HDD to it, and 
would like to install Debian on it. However, no matter what I try, I'm 
unable to get it to boot off of the network to pick up the boot.img 
file from the TFTP server. RARP, TFTP etc is all setup and I have 
successfully installed Debian on a couple of Sparc machines using this 
setup. However, even after changing the values of boot-device etc 
using 'eeprom', I am unable to get this machine to boot (or try to 
boot) from the network. This may be a function of the network cards as 
well with the configuration assistant setup to not boot off the 
network and maybe the network doesn't get initialized until after the 
OS has been initialized. By interrupting the boot process however, I 
am able to have it try booting from a CD or another HDD which it does 
detect early on in the boot process.


So, the questions were,

a) IS it possible for me to get into the BIOS of the machine to turn 
on network boot on this machine? I don't know what this machine is, 
it's some custom built chassis with custom everything to create this 
appliance.
b) OR, I was thinking that maybe I could partition the 2nd HDD while 
in Solaris, install Debian/SILO on it either through boot.img or some 
other way and then have it boot from this disk instead into debian and 
then install whatever I want to install on it.


The software installed on this machine from the vendor is unsupported 
now and that company/vendor has been bought over twice since we bought 
this in 2004 and as a result am not able to get any support for it and 
am unable to make it work the way I want to so the idea is to install 
another OS on it (since these are very powerful machines) and install 
whatever I want on it.


Any ideas or help will be appreciated.

Thanks
AE
The following assumes that (at least) the Solaris drive is IDE, not 
SATA.  If it's SATA, then you need to
find out if there are "master" channels and "slave" channels driving the 
hard disks, and proceed as
suggested.  You can at least proceed with the Solaris drive 
disconnected, but then there may be a
problem getting the system to boot off the Debian drive, unless the MOBO 
has "master" and "slave"

SATA channels.

You now have two hard drives.  Disconnect the one with the Solaris 
system on it.  Set drive number 2--
the one you added--as master, and install Debian or whatever you want on 
it.  (I don't know what SILO
is).  Now make the Solaris drive a slave.  You should now be able to 
boot Debian, and operate on the

Solaris drive.

The only way I can see this not working, is if there is some software on 
the motherboard, in a BIOS ROM
that's customized.  In that case, you may have to try and determine 
whose MOBO it is, and find a
generic ROM  for it.  The saving grace is that the ROM is almost 
certainly a plug-in part.  When you have
that information, someone on the list here may be able to help. (Not me, 
unfortunately.)


Well, that's what I'd try.  Somebody smarter than me may have a better 
solution.  Good luck!


--doug


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Manual Install of SILO/Debian

[A E [Gmail]]

Hello All,

P.S> Sorry about cross-posting, but you never know who has the answer :)

This might be a stupid question but I'm wondering if someone knows (and if
it's possible) to install debian on a hard drive manually from a "boot.img"
file?

I have a situation like so:

an x86 machine with Solaris 8 preinstalled on it. It's an appliance from a
vendor who's hardened it and/or made it in a way that no matter what one
does it always boots into this customized Solaris 8 OS automatically
starting their software. I added an extra HDD to it, and would like to
install Debian on it. However, no matter what I try, I'm unable to get it to
boot off of the network to pick up the boot.img file from the TFTP server.
RARP, TFTP etc is all setup and I have successfully installed Debian on a
couple of Sparc machines using this setup. However, even after changing the
values of boot-device etc using 'eeprom', I am unable to get this machine to
boot (or try to boot) from the network. This may be a function of the
network cards as well with the configuration assistant setup to not boot off
the network and maybe the network doesn't get initialized until after the OS
has been initialized. By interrupting the boot process however, I am able to
have it try booting from a CD or another HDD which it does detect early on
in the boot process.

So, the questions were,

a) IS it possible for me to get into the BIOS of the machine to turn on
network boot on this machine? I don't know what this machine is, it's some
custom built chassis with custom everything to create this appliance.
b) OR, I was thinking that maybe I could partition the 2nd HDD while in
Solaris, install Debian/SILO on it either through boot.img or some other way
and then have it boot from this disk instead into debian and then install
whatever I want to install on it.

The software installed on this machine from the vendor is unsupported now
and that company/vendor has been bought over twice since we bought this in
2004 and as a result am not able to get any support for it and am unable to
make it work the way I want to so the idea is to install another OS on it
(since these are very powerful machines) and install whatever I want on it.

Any ideas or help will be appreciated.

Thanks
AE

problem building lirc modules

[Rob Owens]

When I run 'm-a a-i lirc' I get this error:

echo "  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";   \
echo " include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are 
missing.";  \
echo " Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to 
fix it.";  \

I don't really know how to "Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src".
Could somebody help me out?  I tried running that command in 
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common but I got these errors, so I assume I 
did it wrong.

scripts/Makefile.build:44: 
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or 
directory
make[1]: *** No rule to make target 
`/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile'.  Stop.
make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2

-Rob


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Re: SSH Issue

[Adrian Levi]

On 13 March 2011 08:37, Michael Thompson  wrote:
> I've got a slight issue with logging into my server using public keys.
>
> It was working fine, until I had to rebuild my desktop machine. I had
> the key copied to the server, and passwordless logins where fine.
>
> However now I have rebuilt my desktop, I cant get to the login.
>
> So heres whats happend.
>
> Rebuilt id_rsa.pub, server will not allow login. Remove id_rsa.pub and
> the server allows password based login.
>
> On the server, removed authorized_keys and known_hosts. makes no
> difference. Server still disallows keyfile, but will allow password
> when id_rsa is not present on the client.

On the server to get key based auth working you must:
1)Have the correct permissions on .ssh/*
2) have your public key in authorized_keys

On the client you need to have your key decripted for use either by:
1) using agent
2) having an empty password string in your private key.
3) correct .ssh/* permissions.

How many keys are in your server authorized_keys file? can you trim it
down to just one for testing?
What sort of changes have you made to the default sshd.conf file on
the server and ssh.conf file on the client.

Adrian



> Heres a -v of the login chat with keyfile
>
> Code:
>
> michael@eve:~$ ssh -v server
> OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
> debug1: Applying options for *
> debug1: Connecting to server [ser.ver.ip] port 22.
> debug1: Connection established.
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
> debug1: Checking blacklist file /usr/share/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
> debug1: Checking blacklist file /etc/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
> OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
> debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
> debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
> debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
> debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
> debug1: Host 'host' is known and matches the RSA host key.
> debug1: Found key in /home/michael/.ssh/known_hosts:1
> debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
> debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
> debug1: Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
> Received disconnect from ser.ver.ip: 2: Too many authentication
> failures for michael
>
> And without
>
> Code:
>
> michael@eve:~/.ssh$ ssh -v server
> OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
> debug1: Applying options for *
> debug1: Connecting to server [ser.ver.ip] port 22.
> debug1: Connection established.
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
> debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
> OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
> debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
> debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
> debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
> debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
> debug1: Host 'server' is known and matches the RSA host key.
> debug1: Found key in /home/michael/.ssh/known_hosts:1
> debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
> debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
> debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
> debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa
> debug1: Next authentication method: password
> michael@server

Re: help with nvidia and BusID

[Rob Owens]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 09:37:02PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> I'm trying to run the nvidia proprietary driver for a PCI video card.  I
> also have an onboard video card.  I think xorg.conf needs to specify the
> BusID in the device section like this:
> 
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "nVidia FX 5200"
> Driver "nvidia"
> BusID  "PCI:00:06.0"
> EndSection
> 
> lspci shows:
> 
> 00:06.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX
> 5200] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
> 
> Is this correct?  
> 
> Second question:  what if I want to use the tv-out connection instead of the 
> DVI?  How do I specify that?
> 
I was having a problem that was fixed by moving the video card to
another slot (thanks to
/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx/README.txt.gz for that hint).

Here is the error I was getting:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA kernel module does not appear to be receiving
(EE) NVIDIA(0): interrupts generated by the NVIDIA graphics device
(EE) NVIDIA(0): PCI:0:6:0.  Please see Chapter 8: Common Problems in the
(EE) NVIDIA(0): README for additional information.
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!

(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

For the record, here is my working xorg.conf file:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout0"
Screen  0  "Screen0"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# generated from default
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# generated from default
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName  "Unknown"
HorizSync   28.0 - 33.0
VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Device0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
DefaultDepth24
Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE"
Option "UseDisplayDevice" "TV"
Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection


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Re: Mail filtering / rules: mutt + offlineimap + ???

[Joel Roth]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 03:41:02PM -0800, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> on 23:42 Fri 11 Mar, Joel Roth (jo...@pobox.com) wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 04:47:43PM -0800, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> > > I've been been using mutt + offlineimap for great justice ... except for
> > > filtering.
> > > 
> > > I've previously relied on procmail for local rules management.  While
> > > Gmail's rules are reasonably decent, not all IMAP providers are as
> > > blessed.
> > > 
> > > I'd also like to trigger libnotify messages on certain messages as well.
> > > 
> > > Hrm ... imapfilter according to the Consilience blog:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://blog.grossmeier.net/2009/01/25/imapfilterofflineimapmsmtpmuttabook/
> > > 
> > > What are others using for this, and/or set up the bomb?
> > 
> > Hi, I use a script based on the perl module Email::Filter.
> > Email::Filter's syntax is much better than procmail,
> > even allowing for Perl's much-maligned syntax.
> 
> Does that work with offlineimap?  Note that I'm not getting mail
> delivered through a local MTA/MDA, but directly to my mail folder(s).

'offlineimap' doesn't appear to provide any hooks for
influencing local delivery.

The imapget script gets messages from an IMAP mailbox
'INBOX', ignoring already downloaded messages.
You could point it toward a local IMAP mail server
and "download" from there. 

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Re: Debian 6 uninstallable?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 02/03/11 16:41, Bret Busby wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> To try to install Debian 6, I downloaded, as advised on the Debian web
> site, the Debian 6 netinst iso file, wrote it to a CD, and tried to
> install Debian 6, using it.
> 
> However, the computer on which I tried to install it, did not boot from
> the CD.
> 


I've just encountered a similar problem to Bret (and other posters).
With other installs I've had no problems.

Attempting to install the debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso dated Sat Mar 12
04:57:36 2011 burnt CD from two different, known working, USB DVD drives
failed.

MD5 sums checked ok, machines are ASUS PC Eeee 701SDs.
Attempting to install from a USBkey also failed. Same USBkey boots fine
on other machines.

Symptoms:- nothing, if install source is made the only device in the
BIOS boot list - nothing happens.

As suggested by Steve McIntyre:-
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/03/msg00221.html
I used the non-hybrid:-
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/tmp/squeeze-non-hybrid-test1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso
Made the USBkey bootable with:-
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz

This time the installs worked perfectly (thanks Steve).
Note: I didn't try burning the non-hybrid image to CD.

Cheers


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Re: SSH Issue

[Aéris]

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Le 13/03/2011 00:00, Michael Thompson a écrit :
> I've got a slight issue with logging into my server using public keys.

Could you paste the output of « grep sshd /var/log/auth.log »?

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Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> I'm trying to get rid of proprietary Skype and two of my most
> important contacts are willing to give SIP a try. We all installed
> Ekiga and signed up for ~@ekiga.net SIP addresses, but the sound
> quality was very choppy and unusable. They are both on Windows.
>
> Is there an better softphone? Is there a better sip address service
> than ekiga.net? Is there a better softphone for Windows than Ekiga?
>
Ekiga has a nasty reputation of generally being non functional. I
couldn't make it work on my system, either. I've sampled a handful of
SIP softphones and stopped my attention to two: Linphone [1] and Jitsi
[2], both cross-platform.

Linphone is a mature application with robust sound, and good video (if
you follow the FAQ). On the downside the UI design is a bit rusty and
would need some love and attention, but nothing hopelessly bad. Jitsi
is different. It is still in active, pre-release development, although
many report using it in production mode and that it is stable
(personally I'm still having some hitches with the audio, but you
should try on your system). The upside of Jitsi is a clean and
intuitive interface (a bit similar to Skype on Linux), and long list
of fancy features, including support for many protocols
(Pidgin-style), audio, video, conferencing, encryption, desktop
sharing, call recording, etc. Both apps are open-source with
commercial support available.

You should try both and see which better fits your needs. If you're
looking for more alternatives, try this [3] [4]. Regards
Liviu

[1] http://alternativeto.net/software/linphone/
[2] http://alternativeto.net/software/sip-communicator/
[3] http://alternativeto.net/software/skype/
[4] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/#skypereplacement


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Re: Mail filtering / rules: mutt + offlineimap + ???

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 23:42 Fri 11 Mar, Joel Roth (jo...@pobox.com) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 04:47:43PM -0800, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> > I've been been using mutt + offlineimap for great justice ... except for
> > filtering.
> > 
> > I've previously relied on procmail for local rules management.  While
> > Gmail's rules are reasonably decent, not all IMAP providers are as
> > blessed.
> > 
> > I'd also like to trigger libnotify messages on certain messages as well.
> > 
> > Hrm ... imapfilter according to the Consilience blog:
> > 
> > 
> > http://blog.grossmeier.net/2009/01/25/imapfilterofflineimapmsmtpmuttabook/
> > 
> > What are others using for this, and/or set up the bomb?
> 
> Hi, I use a script based on the perl module Email::Filter.
> Email::Filter's syntax is much better than procmail,
> even allowing for Perl's much-maligned syntax.

Does that work with offlineimap?  Note that I'm not getting mail
delivered through a local MTA/MDA, but directly to my mail folder(s).

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 12.3.2011 23:50, Leonardo Ruoso wrote:
> Is it  all about running gedit? 
> 
> Although I can't imagine why you can't use vim, emacs or even nano from
> ssh it's pretty possible to download a copy of the file, edit it with
> your preferred editor and upload it back to the server.
> 

I'm not the OP, I just told my case.I use vim 99.9% of my edits,when
sometimes I need gedit for something that I can not do with vim (because
I just can't, I have never learned the keyboard commands for vim, except
very basic insert,append,delete ;)).

Xserver on windows is mandatory too, as some software from commercial
sources (IBM, Oracle in my case) require X, so it is not so hard.

Windows editor with sftp-support is not what I want, I work on Linux
command line anyway.



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Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?

[Allan Wind]

On 2011-03-12 17:25:03, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:02:50AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I'm trying to get rid of proprietary Skype and two of my most
> > important contacts are willing to give SIP a try. We all installed
> > Ekiga and signed up for ~@ekiga.net SIP addresses, but the sound
> > quality was very choppy and unusable. They are both on Windows.
> > 
> > Is there an better softphone? Is there a better sip address service
> > than ekiga.net? Is there a better softphone for Windows than Ekiga?

Make sure you tweak the settings (codecs, bandwidth) before giving 
up on Ekiga.  That said Ekiga seems unstable on Windows at least 
it freezes for my sister when we try to get it going with my 
Linux machine.

When I worked with VoIP we used Xten's soft phone on Windows.  I 
think they call it X-Lite now.  It is proprietary software but 
open protocol (unlike Skype).

There a list of clients on the Ekiga site that might be of 
interest to you: 



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Re: unable to install nfs-kernel-server

[Liam Cassidey]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Liam Cassidey wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Tom H  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Liam Cassidey 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > server:~# dpkg -l portmap nfs-common nfs-kernel-server
>> > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
>> > |
>> >
>> Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
>> > |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
>> > ||/ Name  Version
>> Description
>> >
>> +++-===
>> > ii  nfs-common1:1.2.2-4 NFS
>> support files common to client and server
>> > iF  nfs-kernel-server 1:1.2.2-4 support
>> for NFS kernel server
>> > ii  portmap   6.0.0-2   RPC port
>> mapper
>> > server:~#
>>
>> This reminds me (and the tile of the thread should've done so too!)
>> that nfs-kernel-server's not fully installed.
>>
>> If "apt-get -f install" doesn't install and configure it fully,
>> "apt-get install --reinstall nfs-kernel-server" should.
>>
>>
> This brings me back to my original problem:
>
> server:~# apt-get -f install nfs-kernel-server
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> nfs-kernel-server is already the newest version.
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>  1 not fully installed or removed.
> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
> Setting up nfs-kernel-server (1:1.2.2-4) ...
> Starting NFS common utilities: statd.
> Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon
> Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsdrpc.nfsd: Setting version failed: errno 16
> (Device or resource busy)
> rpc.nfsd: writing fd to kernel failed: errno 13 (Permission denied)
> rpc.nfsd: unable to set any sockets for nfsd
>  failed!
> invoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-kernel-server, action "start" failed.
> dpkg: error processing nfs-kernel-server (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> configured to not write apport reports
>   Errors were encountered while
> processing:
>  nfs-kernel-server
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> server:~# apt-get install --reinstall nfs-kernel-server
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not
> upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> Setting up nfs-kernel-server (1:1.2.2-4) ...
> Starting NFS common utilities: statd.
> Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon
> Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsdrpc.nfsd: Setting version failed: errno 16
> (Device or resource busy)
> rpc.nfsd: writing fd to kernel failed: errno 13 (Permission denied)
> rpc.nfsd: unable to set any sockets for nfsd
>  failed!
> invoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-kernel-server, action "start" failed.
> dpkg: error processing nfs-kernel-server (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> configured to not write apport reports
>   Errors were encountered while
> processing:
>  nfs-kernel-server
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> server:~#
>
>

Some more debugging...

I've narrowed down the error to the rpc.nfsd binary:

server:~# rpc.nfsd -d
rpc.nfsd: knfsd is currently down
rpc.nfsd: Writing version string to kernel: +4.1 +2 +3 +4
rpc.nfsd: Setting version failed: errno 16 (Device or resource busy)
rpc.nfsd: Creating inet TCP socket.
rpc.nfsd: writing fd to kernel failed: errno 13 (Permission denied)
rpc.nfsd: unable to set any sockets for nfsd
server:~#


When running with strace, I see the following suspicious lines:

open("/proc/fs/nfsd/versions", O_WRONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
write(2, "rpc.nfsd: ", 10rpc.nfsd: )  = 10
write(2, "Writing version string to kernel"..., 48Writing version string to
kernel: +4.1 +2 +3 +4 ) = 48
write(2, "\n", 1
)   = 1
write(3, "+4.1 +2 +3 +4 \n", 15)= -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
write(2, "rpc.nfsd: ", 10rpc.nfsd: )  = 10
write(2, "Setting version failed: errno 16"..., 58Setting version failed:
errno 16 (Device or resource busy)) = 58


This filesystem is definitely mounted:

server:~# mount | grep nfs
nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw)
server:~#:


Here are the contents of my /etc/fstab:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'vol_id --uuid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# 
  
proc 

SSH Issue

[Michael Thompson]

I've got a slight issue with logging into my server using public keys.

It was working fine, until I had to rebuild my desktop machine. I had
the key copied to the server, and passwordless logins where fine.

However now I have rebuilt my desktop, I cant get to the login.

So heres whats happend.

Rebuilt id_rsa.pub, server will not allow login. Remove id_rsa.pub and
the server allows password based login.

On the server, removed authorized_keys and known_hosts. makes no
difference. Server still disallows keyfile, but will allow password
when id_rsa is not present on the client.

Heres a -v of the login chat with keyfile

Code:

michael@eve:~$ ssh -v server
OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to server [ser.ver.ip] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
debug1: Checking blacklist file /usr/share/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
debug1: Checking blacklist file /etc/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'host' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/michael/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
Received disconnect from ser.ver.ip: 2: Too many authentication
failures for michael

And without

Code:

michael@eve:~/.ssh$ ssh -v server
OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to server [ser.ver.ip] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'server' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/michael/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Next authentication method: password
michael@server's password:
debug1: Authentication succeeded (password).
debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
debug1: Requesting no-more-sessi...@openssh.com
debug1: Entering interactive session.
debug1: Sending environment.
debug1: Sending env LANG = en_GB.UTF-8
Linux s15433632 2.6.18-028stab070.4 #1 SMP Tue Aug 17 18:32:47 MSD 2010 x86_64

So, is there anyway of getting the server to forget the previous keys,
it is remembering, As previousily said, I have completly removed the
contents of ~/.ssh/ on both the clients and the server.
__

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And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
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Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 17:25 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:02:50AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I'm trying to get rid of proprietary Skype and two of my most
> > important contacts are willing to give SIP a try. We all installed
> > Ekiga and signed up for ~@ekiga.net SIP addresses, but the sound
> > quality was very choppy and unusable. They are both on Windows.
> > 
> > Is there an better softphone? Is there a better sip address service
> > than ekiga.net? Is there a better softphone for Windows than Ekiga?
> > 
> I haven't used ekiga in about a year, but I always found their service
> to be spotty.  iptel.org was much more reliable, and you can use it with
> the Ekiga software.
> 
> The only other softphone I've used is Twinkle.  It worked, but I didn't
> use it for very long.  I was just testing the encryption.  When I tried
> it, I think it was the only Linux softphone that supported encryption.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
I don't spend a lot of time in Windows but I believe the two big freely
available softphones are SJPhone and 3CX - John


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SSH Issue

[Michael Thompson]

I've got a slight issue with logging into my server using public keys.

It was working fine, until I had to rebuild my desktop machine. I had
the key copied to the server, and passwordless logins where fine.

However now I have rebuilt my desktop, I cant get to the login.

So heres whats happend.

Rebuilt id_rsa.pub, server will not allow login. Remove id_rsa.pub and
the server allows password based login.

On the server, removed authorized_keys and known_hosts. makes no
difference. Server still disallows keyfile, but will allow password
when id_rsa is not present on the client.

Heres a -v of the login chat with keyfile

Code:

michael@eve:~$ ssh -v server
OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to server [ser.ver.ip] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
debug1: Checking blacklist file /usr/share/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
debug1: Checking blacklist file /etc/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'host' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/michael/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Offering public key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
Received disconnect from ser.ver.ip: 2: Too many authentication
failures for michael

And without

Code:

michael@eve:~/.ssh$ ssh -v server
OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to server [ser.ver.ip] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'server' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/michael/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/michael/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Next authentication method: password
michael@server's password:
debug1: Authentication succeeded (password).
debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
debug1: Requesting no-more-sessi...@openssh.com
debug1: Entering interactive session.
debug1: Sending environment.
debug1: Sending env LANG = en_GB.UTF-8
Linux s15433632 2.6.18-028stab070.4 #1 SMP Tue Aug 17 18:32:47 MSD 2010 x86_64

So, is there anyway of getting the server to forget the previous keys,
it is remembering, As previousily said, I have completly removed the
contents of ~/.ssh/ on both the clients and the server.
__

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And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.
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Re: SIP services and softphones: what do you guys use?

[Rob Owens]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:02:50AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I'm trying to get rid of proprietary Skype and two of my most
> important contacts are willing to give SIP a try. We all installed
> Ekiga and signed up for ~@ekiga.net SIP addresses, but the sound
> quality was very choppy and unusable. They are both on Windows.
> 
> Is there an better softphone? Is there a better sip address service
> than ekiga.net? Is there a better softphone for Windows than Ekiga?
> 
I haven't used ekiga in about a year, but I always found their service
to be spotty.  iptel.org was much more reliable, and you can use it with
the Ekiga software.

The only other softphone I've used is Twinkle.  It worked, but I didn't
use it for very long.  I was just testing the encryption.  When I tried
it, I think it was the only Linux softphone that supported encryption.

-Rob


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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Leonardo Ruoso]

Is it  all about running gedit?

Although I can't imagine why you can't use vim, emacs or even nano from ssh
it's pretty possible to download a copy of the file, edit it with your
preferred editor and upload it back to the server.

Atenciosamente,

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Re: [OT] errors with g++-4.5 not with g++-4.4

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-03-12 18:17 +0100, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


I am looking for your opinion as to whose bug this is.

I have a C++ project ( http://gpc-qt.sourceforge.net/ ) that consists
of more than 103 C++ sourcefiles (1000's of lines of code) that get
copiled into a single executable.

Suddenly using the g++-4.5 compiler it produces an error in the link phase:

...
grafrs.cpp:(.text+0x355d): undefined reference to `mutrec'
...

But when I use the g++-4.4 compiler everything compiles and links
without error, like it has for years with previous C++ compilers.


Is this the squeeze version of g++-4.4 or the wheezy/sid version?


Sid.




Do I file a bug with the g++-4.5 package?


Please read this announcement about linker changes first:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/02/msg00011.html



I have to give that some thought. I explained the problem in full in my 
answer to Axel. The linker finds some references but not al. In anycase 
this is all linked together via the qmake utility of Qt. Thanks Sven


Hugo


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Re: [OT] errors with g++-4.5 not with g++-4.4

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Axel Freyn wrote:

Hi Hugo,
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:17:19AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

I am looking for your opinion as to whose bug this is.

I have a C++ project ( http://gpc-qt.sourceforge.net/ ) that consists of  
more than 103 C++ sourcefiles (1000's of lines of code) that get copiled  
into a single executable.


Suddenly using the g++-4.5 compiler it produces an error in the link phase:

...
grafrs.cpp:(.text+0x355d): undefined reference to `mutrec'
...

But when I use the g++-4.4 compiler everything compiles and links  
without error, like it has for years with previous C++ compilers.


Do I file a bug with the g++-4.5 package?


I would first assume an error in this project -- and not in g++-4.5 :-)

However, before writing a bug, it would be very usefull if you succeed
to reduce the test case: I'm almost sure that none of the g++-developers
will be happy with a bug report stating "somehow those 1000's lines of
code don't compile correctly" -- I would expect a much faster help if
you could reduce the problem and reduce it to a few hundred (or even a
few tenth) of lines of code...
Is that possible?

I just had a VERY quick look at the code: It seems that "mutrec" is
defined in "aa.cpp". Do you link aa.cpp and grafrs.cpp together?



Thanks Axel. It is stranger yet:
1. mutrec is defined in aa.cpp
2. It is used as extern in mc.cpp, grafrs.cpp and setfile.cpp
3. But g++-4.5 only finds undefined referenes in mc.cpp and grafrs.cpp, 
*not* in setfile.cpp

4. Yet the extern for mutrec is defined in all three the same way.
5. And previous compilers have found no errors.
6. The whole bunch is linked together via aa.pro that is used in 
'qmake-qt4 -o Makefile aa.pro' to create a makefile for make.


I have not found an errors when I create small testcases.
This happens both in 686 and amd64. Up todate Sid.

Hugo


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Re: apt-cache regex question

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:09:29 +, Dom wrote:

> On 12/03/11 19:25, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> So indeed, only package name should be queried in the regex which does
>> not seem to be the case. I also get false positives, for example:
>>
>> sm01@stt008:~$ apt-cache --names-only search "^a" | grep sleepd sleepd
>> - puts an inactive or low battery laptop to sleep
>>
>> But here, even the source package is named "sleepd", why the regex is
>> catching this? A bug? :-?
> 
> I suspect the man page is a bit ambiguous. It looks like --names-only
> searches on things other than package name, but not the long
> description. Possibly matching on "Provides: apm-sleep"

That's it!

WISHLIST: apt-cache search and Provides:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98695

The manual page should be then updated accordingly to reflect the current 
status of the "--names-only" argument :-)

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-03-12, Jari Fredriksson  wrote:
>
> On 12.3.2011 2:57, Dan wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius =
>  wrote:
>>> on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  m>wrote:
>>> xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.
>>=20
>> Should I then install xbase-clients?
>>=20
>>=20
>
> No. I have a lean server, and I want to use gedit by PuTTY in Windows.I
> have XMing server on my Windows, and
>
> $ sudo apt-get install gedit
>
> is all I need to do to run gedit. apt-get will install whatever needed.
>

I wonder ... are there any native editors for MS Windows which support
remote filesystem protocols like sftp://? If you could find such
software then you could strip your server down even leaner.

Just a thought.

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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[John Hasler]

darkestkhan writes:
> Also frequent ( I'm doing upgrade at least 2 times a day ) upgrades
> are really sorting out most of inter-release changes that may ( or may
> not ) happen in Sid.

I've been running Sid ever since it was created.  I just upgrade
individual packages as needed and do a dist-upgrade a couple of times a
year (avoiding things like major library transitions, of course).

> Also packages in Sid or experimental can have unsatisfied
> dependencies.

One reason why trying to "track" Sid seems like pointless masochism.

> For entire year ( I started using GNU/Linux year ago and from the
> beginning I was using sid / experimnetal ) of running sid /
> experimental I never had to recover my system.

I've only had to do it once, many years ago when I got tangled in a
broken libc transition (of course, I don't use a "desktop
environment"...)
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Re: apt-cache regex question

[Dom]

On 12/03/11 19:25, Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:17:47 +, Camaleón wrote:


On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:22:38 +0200, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:


apt-cache --names-only  search  '^a'  except from packages name started
with 'a' (intented)  will also  give packages that they have a source
file whos name starts with 'a'. is that an error?


(...)

Hum... from man "apt-cache" page:

search regex [ regex ... ]
search performs a full text search on all available package lists for
the POSIX regex pattern given, see regex(7). *It searches the package
names and the descriptions for an occurrence of the regular expression*
   
(...)

(bolded text is mine)

So, no, I think you are getting the documented behaviour ;-)


No, wait, the above argument has a big hole. Man page continues (I did
not carefully read, my bad...):

***
If --full is given then output identical to show is produced for each
matched package, and if --names-only is given then the long description
is not searched, only the package name is.
***

So indeed, only package name should be queried in the regex which does
not seem to be the case. I also get false positives, for example:

sm01@stt008:~$ apt-cache --names-only search "^a" | grep sleepd
sleepd - puts an inactive or low battery laptop to sleep

But here, even the source package is named "sleepd", why the regex is
catching this? A bug? :-?


I suspect the man page is a bit ambiguous. It looks like --names-only 
searches on things other than package name, but not the long 
description. Possibly matching on "Provides: apm-sleep"


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Re: apt-cache regex question

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:17:47 +, Camaleón wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:22:38 +0200, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:
> 
>> apt-cache --names-only  search  '^a'  except from packages name started
>> with 'a' (intented)  will also  give packages that they have a source
>> file whos name starts with 'a'. is that an error?
> 
> (...)
> 
> Hum... from man "apt-cache" page:
> 
> search regex [ regex ... ]
> search performs a full text search on all available package lists for
> the POSIX regex pattern given, see regex(7). *It searches the package
> names and the descriptions for an occurrence of the regular expression*
>   
> (...)
> 
> (bolded text is mine)
> 
> So, no, I think you are getting the documented behaviour ;-)

No, wait, the above argument has a big hole. Man page continues (I did 
not carefully read, my bad...):

***
If --full is given then output identical to show is produced for each 
matched package, and if --names-only is given then the long description 
is not searched, only the package name is.
***

So indeed, only package name should be queried in the regex which does 
not seem to be the case. I also get false positives, for example:

sm01@stt008:~$ apt-cache --names-only search "^a" | grep sleepd
sleepd - puts an inactive or low battery laptop to sleep

But here, even the source package is named "sleepd", why the regex is 
catching this? A bug? :-?

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Re: [OT] You want embarrassing? (was "[SOLVED] Cannot use USB floppy drive in Squeeze")

[Stephen Powell]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:54:02 -0500 (EST), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Stephen Powell put forth on 3/12/2011 8:30 AM:
>>
>> I have to admit that tops my story.  But I think I can do better.
>> I once tore up the wall of my living room trying to find an
>> electrical problem, only to discover that the reason that the
>> electrical outlet wouldn't work was that it was a switched outlet
>> and the switch was off!  That was bad enough.  But to add insult
>> to injury, I actually have a four-year college degree in electrical
>> engineering!  You'd think that an electrical engineer could figure
>> out that the switch was off, wouldn't you?
>> 
>> Now *that* was embarrassing!
> 
> BS EE != journeyman electrician, nor apprentice electrician, not even
> shade tree electrician
> 
> A BS EE friend of mine asked myself and another friend to install a car
> stereo for him as he had no clue how to go about it.

That's true.  We EEs get a lot of theory, but not much practical
experience.  Draw me a circuit diagram with a voltage source and
a network of resistors and ask me what the current is through a
particular resistor and I have a decent chance of being able to
tell you -- eventually.  But ask me what gauge of wire is
required by the electrical code for a certain application and I
would have absolutely no clue.  They are different skill sets
for different purposes.

And yes, if I bought a car stereo, I would pay someone else to
install it.  Still, even a lowly EE should have thought of the
possibility of a switched outlet.
 
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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[Freeman]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:32:47PM +0100, Aniruddha wrote:
> I've collected some best practices for running Debian unstable,  I'm
> curious to hear what other Debian unstable users do to minimize
> possible problems with running Debian unstable. My current list:
> 
> * Install apt-listbugs
> * Install apt-listchanges
> * Check the ' Debian Weather'  before dist-upgrades (
> http://edos.debian.net/weather/ )
> * Check 'Upgrade Warnings' in the aptosid forums before dist-upgrades
> 

I was a testing-mixed user but I followed squeeze into stable.

I used/use apt-move to keep a backup versions of every upgraded package. 
Found it easier than Debian Snapshot because there is less search & verify
and no downloading. 

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answer." --Somebody


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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[darkestkhan]

2011/3/12 John Hasler :
> darkestkhan writes:
>> ...I don't see a reason why should I do dist-upgrade, after all I'm
>> running sid constantly...
>
> Because the sort of inter-release changes dist-upgrade is intended to
> handle can happen in Sid at any time.
>

I'm running sid / experimental so dist-upgrade in my case is almost
like throwing away half of the system; And I'm using aptitude
safe-upgrade which is good solution. Also frequent ( I'm doing upgrade
at least 2 times a day ) upgrades are really sorting out most of
inter-release changes that may ( or may not ) happen in Sid. Also
packages in Sid or experimental can have unsatisfied dependencies.

> Osamu writes:
>These are not bad idea but not that essential.
>
>You have to have a rescue media or another relatively new content
>partition which you can use to boot your system after you broke it with
>upgrade.  Dual boot + Rescue GRUB disk is something I always use to save
>my recovery time.
>
>Osamu

For entire year ( I started using GNU/Linux year ago and from the
beginning I was using sid / experimnetal ) of running sid /
experimental I never had to recover my system.

darkestkhan
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Re: [OT] You want embarrassing? (was "[SOLVED] Cannot use USB floppy drive in Squeeze")

[Stan Hoeppner]

Stephen Powell put forth on 3/12/2011 8:30 AM:

> I have to admit that tops my story.  But I think I can do better.
> I once tore up the wall of my living room trying to find an
> electrical problem, only to discover that the reason that the
> electrical outlet wouldn't work was that it was a switched outlet
> and the switch was off!  That was bad enough.  But to add insult
> to injury, I actually have a four-year college degree in electrical
> engineering!  You'd think that an electrical engineer could figure
> out that the switch was off, wouldn't you?
> 
> Now *that* was embarrassing!

BS EE != journeyman electrician, nor apprentice electrician, not even
shade tree electrician

A BS EE friend of mine asked myself and another friend to install a car
stereo for him as he had no clue how to go about it.

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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[Brad Alexander]

I also run apticron, regardless of release. This gives me a daily list of
packages which needs to be upgraded, and in addition, a list of changelogs:

apticron has detected that some packages need upgrading on:

dax
[ 192.168.1.61 ]

The following packages are currently pending an upgrade:

apt 0.8.12
apt-utils 0.8.12
binutils 2.21.0.20110302-2
dmsetup 2:1.02.63-2
gcc-4.5-base 4.5.2-5
hostname 3.06
libcurl3 7.21.4-1
...
Package Details:

Reading changelogs...
--- Changes for apt (apt apt-utils) ---
apt (0.8.12) unstable; urgency=low

  [ Michael Vogt ]
  * apt-pkg/deb/debindexfile.cc:
- ignore missing deb-src files in /var/lib/apt/lists, thanks
  to Thorsten Spindler (LP: #85590)
  * apt-pkg/contrib/fileutl.cc, apt-pkg/deb/dpkgpm.cc:
- honor Dpkg::Chroot-Directory in the RunScripts*() methods
  * apt-pkg/contrib/cdromutl.{cc,h}, apt-pkg/cdrom.{cc,h}:
...

This way, I can keep an eye out for packages the specific server (e.g.
mediawiki related files on the wiki host) as well as the urgency of the
upgrade. A few weeks ago, krb5 had an upgrade that was listed as
"emergency".

Beyond this, I generally do aptitude upgrades instead of full-upgrades, at
least until later in the wheezy cycle. I will try a full-upgrade
occasionally, but unless it is clean or I can clean it up, I don't execute.

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> I've collected some best practices for running Debian unstable,  I'm
> curious to hear what other Debian unstable users do to minimize
> possible problems with running Debian unstable. My current list:
>
> * Install apt-listbugs
> * Install apt-listchanges
> * Check the ' Debian Weather'  before dist-upgrades (
> http://edos.debian.net/weather/ )
> * Check 'Upgrade Warnings' in the aptosid forums before dist-upgrades
>
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Re: [OT] errors with g++-4.5 not with g++-4.4

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-03-12 18:17 +0100, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> I am looking for your opinion as to whose bug this is.
>
> I have a C++ project ( http://gpc-qt.sourceforge.net/ ) that consists
> of more than 103 C++ sourcefiles (1000's of lines of code) that get
> copiled into a single executable.
>
> Suddenly using the g++-4.5 compiler it produces an error in the link phase:
>
> ...
> grafrs.cpp:(.text+0x355d): undefined reference to `mutrec'
> ...
>
> But when I use the g++-4.4 compiler everything compiles and links
> without error, like it has for years with previous C++ compilers.

Is this the squeeze version of g++-4.4 or the wheezy/sid version?

> Do I file a bug with the g++-4.5 package?

Please read this announcement about linker changes first:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/02/msg00011.html

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RE: Welke Debian versie is goed

[Bonno Bloksma]

Hello Ruben,

(Dutch)
Voor Nederlandse vragen ga je naar een van de nieuwsgroepen
nl.comp.os.linux.*
Voor installaties met meer dan 4 GB geheugen MOET je een 64-bit versie van
het OS gebruyiken, gebruik een AMD64 installatie, ook voor Intel chips.

(Enlish)
This is an English Group. For Dutch you might try a Dutch Linux newsgroup in
the series nl.comp.os.linux.* 
For "large memory" installations you have to use a 64-bit version. The AMD64
is also for Intel 64bit chips.


Met vriendelijke groet,
Bonno Bloksma

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Ruben @ Ziggo [mailto:ruben.d...@home.nl] 
Verzonden: zaterdag 12 maart 2011 17:43
Aan: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Onderwerp: Welke Debian versie is goed


Hallo, Debian

ik heb een vraagje

ik heb een server waar ik debian op wil draaien.
nu is de vraag welke versie van debian ben ik nodig

server eigenschappen

2x intel xeon 3,00 Ghz Duel core
en 8 Gb werk geheugen Ecc.

ik heb eerder ook een debian versie gebruikt maar die zag maar 3 van de 
8 gb Ram

Met vriendelijke groet Ruben Dijk


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Re: apt-cache regex question

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:22:38 +0200, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:

> apt-cache --names-only  search  '^a'  except from packages name started
> with 'a' (intented)  will also  give packages that they have a source
> file whos name starts with 'a'. is that an error?

(...)

Hum... from man "apt-cache" page:

search regex [ regex ... ]
search performs a full text search on all available package lists for
the POSIX regex pattern given, see regex(7). *It searches the package
names and the descriptions for an occurrence of the regular expression*
  
(...)

(bolded text is mine)

So, no, I think you are getting the documented behaviour ;-)

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Re: Welke Debian versie is goed

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Hi,

debian-user@l.d.o is an English-speaking list.  Please ask your question
on the Dutch users' mailing list: debian-user-du...@lists.debian.org
(also CCed to this mail).

"Ruben @ Ziggo"  writes:
> Hallo, Debian
>
> ik heb een vraagje
>
> ik heb een server waar ik debian op wil draaien.
> nu is de vraag welke versie van debian ben ik nodig
>
> server eigenschappen
>
> 2x intel xeon 3,00 Ghz Duel core
> en 8 Gb werk geheugen Ecc.
>
> ik heb eerder ook een debian versie gebruikt maar die zag maar 3 van
> de 8 gb Ram
>
> Met vriendelijke groet Ruben Dijk

Regards,
Ansgar


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Re: [OT] errors with g++-4.5 not with g++-4.4

[Axel Freyn]

Hi Hugo,
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:17:19AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for your opinion as to whose bug this is.
>
> I have a C++ project ( http://gpc-qt.sourceforge.net/ ) that consists of  
> more than 103 C++ sourcefiles (1000's of lines of code) that get copiled  
> into a single executable.
>
> Suddenly using the g++-4.5 compiler it produces an error in the link phase:
>
> ...
> grafrs.cpp:(.text+0x355d): undefined reference to `mutrec'
> ...
>
> But when I use the g++-4.4 compiler everything compiles and links  
> without error, like it has for years with previous C++ compilers.
>
> Do I file a bug with the g++-4.5 package?

I would first assume an error in this project -- and not in g++-4.5 :-)

However, before writing a bug, it would be very usefull if you succeed
to reduce the test case: I'm almost sure that none of the g++-developers
will be happy with a bug report stating "somehow those 1000's lines of
code don't compile correctly" -- I would expect a much faster help if
you could reduce the problem and reduce it to a few hundred (or even a
few tenth) of lines of code...
Is that possible?

I just had a VERY quick look at the code: It seems that "mutrec" is
defined in "aa.cpp". Do you link aa.cpp and grafrs.cpp together?

Axel


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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:32:47PM +0100, Aniruddha wrote:
> I've collected some best practices for running Debian unstable,  I'm
> curious to hear what other Debian unstable users do to minimize
> possible problems with running Debian unstable. My current list:
> 
> * Install apt-listbugs
> * Install apt-listchanges
> * Check the ' Debian Weather'  before dist-upgrades (
> http://edos.debian.net/weather/ )
> * Check 'Upgrade Warnings' in the aptosid forums before dist-upgrades

These are not bad idea but not that essential.

You have to have a rescue media or another relatively new content
partition which you can use to boot your system after you broke it with
upgrade.  Dual boot + Rescue GRUB disk is something I always use to save
my recovery time.

Osamu
 
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Welke Debian versie is goed

[Ruben @ Ziggo]

Hallo, Debian

ik heb een vraagje

ik heb een server waar ik debian op wil draaien.
nu is de vraag welke versie van debian ben ik nodig

server eigenschappen

2x intel xeon 3,00 Ghz Duel core
en 8 Gb werk geheugen Ecc.

ik heb eerder ook een debian versie gebruikt maar die zag maar 3 van de 
8 gb Ram


Met vriendelijke groet Ruben Dijk


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apt-cache regex question

[Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος]

 Hi  
apt-cache --names-only  search  '^a'  except from 
packages name started with 'a' (intented)  will also  give 
packages that they have a source file whos name starts with 
'a'. is that an error?


eg:
$apt-cache --names-only  search  '^a'
...
xul-ext-adblock-plus
...
 
$ apt-cache show xul-ext-adblock-pl
ackage: xul-ext-adblock-plus
Priority: optional
Section: web
Installed-Size: 1480
Maintainer: Dmitry E. Oboukhov 
Architecture: all
Source: adblock-plus
Version: 1.2.1-1


alexander.


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[OT] errors with g++-4.5 not with g++-4.4

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I am looking for your opinion as to whose bug this is.

I have a C++ project ( http://gpc-qt.sourceforge.net/ ) that consists of 
more than 103 C++ sourcefiles (1000's of lines of code) that get copiled 
into a single executable.


Suddenly using the g++-4.5 compiler it produces an error in the link phase:

...
grafrs.cpp:(.text+0x355d): undefined reference to `mutrec'
...

But when I use the g++-4.4 compiler everything compiles and links 
without error, like it has for years with previous C++ compilers.


Do I file a bug with the g++-4.5 package?

Hugo


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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

TOFU Corrected.

In <086801cbe0be$30b00080$92100180$@centurytel.net>, mike cutie and maia 
wrote:
>-Original Message-
>From: darkestkhan [mailto:darkestk...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:43 AM
>
>>IMHO apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are something that everyone should
>>have installed
>
>I tryied to do an apt-get install list-bugs and an apt-get install
>apt-list-bugs and also a search and can't find the package how can I
>install this and apt-listchanges?

Spell the package name correctly.  "darkestkhan" did: "apt-listbugs".
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Re: Layout of /etc/services

[shawn wilson]

On Mar 12, 2011 11:03 AM, "Lisi"  wrote:
>
> On Saturday 12 March 2011 15:12:54 Camaleón wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:48:11 +, Lisi wrote:
> > > In an /etc/services file, why are some port/protocol entries inset
more
> > > than others?
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > "man services" will give you additional information about the format of
> > that file. Both, spaces and tabs can be used as field separators.
> >
> > sm01@stt008:~$ grep -e sgi -e vbox /etc/services
> > sgi-cmsd  17001/udp   # Cluster membership services
daemon
> > sgi-crsd  17002/udp
> > sgi-gcd   17003/udp   # SGI Group
membership daemon
> > sgi-cad   17004/tcp   # Cluster Admin
daemon
> > vboxd 20012/tcp   # voice box system
> > vboxd 20012/udp
> >
> > Beyond that, like in the above example, are just aesthetic issues, I'd
say
> > (the first line uses two tabs instead three).
>
>
> Thanks, both of you.  I can obviously stop worrying about it.
>

IIRC, iana maintains that list. There might be something on their web site
about the formatting.

Re: Layout of /etc/services

[Lisi]

On Saturday 12 March 2011 15:12:54 Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:48:11 +, Lisi wrote:
> > In an /etc/services file, why are some port/protocol entries inset more
> > than others?
>
> (...)
>
> "man services" will give you additional information about the format of
> that file. Both, spaces and tabs can be used as field separators.
>
> sm01@stt008:~$ grep -e sgi -e vbox /etc/services
> sgi-cmsd  17001/udp   # Cluster membership services daemon
> sgi-crsd  17002/udp
> sgi-gcd   17003/udp   # SGI Group membership 
> daemon
> sgi-cad   17004/tcp   # Cluster Admin daemon
> vboxd 20012/tcp   # voice box system
> vboxd 20012/udp
>
> Beyond that, like in the above example, are just aesthetic issues, I'd say
> (the first line uses two tabs instead three).


Thanks, both of you.  I can obviously stop worrying about it. 

Lisi


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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 12.3.2011 2:57, Dan wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius  wrote:
>> on 18:37 Fri 11 Mar, Dan (ganc...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius 
>>> wrote:
>> xauth is required by xbase-clients.  It'll get installed with that.
> 
> Should I then install xbase-clients?
> 
> 

No. I have a lean server, and I want to use gedit by PuTTY in Windows.I
have XMing server on my Windows, and

$ sudo apt-get install gedit

is all I need to do to run gedit. apt-get will install whatever needed.

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Re: Octave crashed

[Pedro A. Tonelli]

Hi

2011/3/10 Zbigniew Komarnicki 

> On Thursday 10 of March 2011 11:35:14 George wrote:
> > I had the same problem, but on a non-Debian system. On my system the
> > problem was caused by using the SSE3 atlas libraries and was fixed by
> > installing with SSE2 libraries.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> I try to search atlas with sse, because my computer is old
>
> 
>

What is the answer to the command
sudo update-alternatives --list liblapack.so.3gf

 In my case I have to adjust this library to
/usr/lib/lapack/liblapack.so.3gf. I did it with
sudo update-alternatives --config liblapack.so.3gf

I think the package you need is libatlas3gf-base.

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Re: Layout of /etc/services

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:48:11 +, Lisi wrote:

> In an /etc/services file, why are some port/protocol entries inset more
> than others?

(...)

"man services" will give you additional information about the format of 
that file. Both, spaces and tabs can be used as field separators.

sm01@stt008:~$ grep -e sgi -e vbox /etc/services
sgi-cmsd17001/udp   # Cluster membership services daemon
sgi-crsd17002/udp
sgi-gcd 17003/udp   # SGI Group membership daemon
sgi-cad 17004/tcp   # Cluster Admin daemon
vboxd   20012/tcp   # voice box system
vboxd   20012/udp

Beyond that, like in the above example, are just aesthetic issues, I'd say 
(the first line uses two tabs instead three).

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Re: Layout of /etc/services

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Lisi,

I am not sure about your question.
But I guess that part of the answer holds in what is meant by space:
' ' or '\t'

In `/etc/services', '\t' is used but not ' ': try

cat -A /etc/services

to see that.
Given that,

cat /etc/services

gives an aligned port/protocol column.

Jerome



On 12/03/11 15:48, Lisi wrote:

In an /etc/services file, why are some port/protocol entries inset more than
others?

The obvious answer would be: because the names are longer and the entry
therefore needs more space.  But that doesn't work.  E.g. the two entries for
gds_ub (one for tcp, and one for udp) are indented the extra space, but the
two entries for radmin-port are not indented the extra space even though they
are longer names.

So - why is info on some entries inset more than that on others?

I realise that the answer may be totally trivial, but I am checking in case it
has meaning or even is important.

Lisi





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Layout of /etc/services

[Lisi]

In an /etc/services file, why are some port/protocol entries inset more than 
others?

The obvious answer would be: because the names are longer and the entry 
therefore needs more space.  But that doesn't work.  E.g. the two entries for 
gds_ub (one for tcp, and one for udp) are indented the extra space, but the 
two entries for radmin-port are not indented the extra space even though they 
are longer names.

So - why is info on some entries inset more than that on others?

I realise that the answer may be totally trivial, but I am checking in case it 
has meaning or even is important.

Lisi


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[OT] You want embarrassing? (was "[SOLVED] Cannot use USB floppy drive in Squeeze")

[Stephen Powell]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:11:49 -0500 (EST), Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/25/2011 06:49 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> ...
>> I have found the culprit: it was a bad floppy disk!  The media was
>> physically defective and was causing I/O errors.  Once I put a good
>> floppy in it, everything worked fine.  How embarrassing!  Thanks to
>> all who replied, and sorry for the noise.
> 
> My wife's old computer (a tower sitting on the floor in a cabinet) 
> once wouldn't boot, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out 
> why.  So I bought her a new PC.
> 
> A year later, I looked at the old PC at just the correct angle and 
> saw a disk in the floppy drive...
> 
> *That* was embarrassing!

I have to admit that tops my story.  But I think I can do better.
I once tore up the wall of my living room trying to find an
electrical problem, only to discover that the reason that the
electrical outlet wouldn't work was that it was a switched outlet
and the switch was off!  That was bad enough.  But to add insult
to injury, I actually have a four-year college degree in electrical
engineering!  You'd think that an electrical engineer could figure
out that the switch was off, wouldn't you?

Now *that* was embarrassing!

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RE: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[mike cutie and maia]

hi,

I tryied to do an apt-get install list-bugs and an apt-get install 
apt-list-bugs and also a search and can't find the package how can I install 
this and apt-listchanges?

-Original Message-
From: darkestkhan [mailto:darkestk...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:43 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

2011/3/12 Aniruddha :
> I've collected some best practices for running Debian unstable,  I'm 
> curious to hear what other Debian unstable users do to minimize 
> possible problems with running Debian unstable. My current list:
>
> * Install apt-listbugs
> * Install apt-listchanges
> * Check the ' Debian Weather'  before dist-upgrades ( 
> http://edos.debian.net/weather/ )
> * Check 'Upgrade Warnings' in the aptosid forums before dist-upgrades
>

Avoiding packages with really big dependency chains, reading changelogs ( at 
least if I can download them, but sometimes it is impossible ), being VERY wary 
when upgrading one of: initscripts, initramfs, dash,  and upgrading as often as 
possible ( this eases possibles transitions lowering possible breakdowns of 
system ).

IMHO apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are something that everyone should have 
installed

I don't check Debian Weather, and I don't see a reason why should I do 
dist-upgrade, after all I'm running sid constantly

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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[John Hasler]

darkestkhan writes:
> ...I don't see a reason why should I do dist-upgrade, after all I'm
> running sid constantly...

Because the sort of inter-release changes dist-upgrade is intended to
handle can happen in Sid at any time.

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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[Aniruddha]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, darkestkhan  wrote:
> I don't check Debian Weather, and I don't see a reason why should I do
> dist-upgrade, after all I'm running sid constantly

There is a difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. I prefer to do
an upgrade first followed by a dist-upgrade. From man apt-get:


   upgrade
   upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all
packages currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated
in /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new
versions available are
   retrieved and upgraded; under no circumstances are
currently installed packages removed, or packages not already
installed retrieved and installed. New versions of currently installed
packages that cannot be upgraded
   without changing the install status of another package will
be left at their current version. An update must be performed first so
that apt-get knows that new versions of packages are available.

   dist-upgrade
   dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of
upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new
versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution
system, and it will attempt to
   upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less
important ones if necessary. So, dist-upgrade command may remove some
packages. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of locations
from which to
   retrieve desired package files. See also apt_preferences(5)
for a mechanism for overriding the general settings for individual
packages.


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Re: What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[darkestkhan]

2011/3/12 Aniruddha :
> I've collected some best practices for running Debian unstable,  I'm
> curious to hear what other Debian unstable users do to minimize
> possible problems with running Debian unstable. My current list:
>
> * Install apt-listbugs
> * Install apt-listchanges
> * Check the ' Debian Weather'  before dist-upgrades (
> http://edos.debian.net/weather/ )
> * Check 'Upgrade Warnings' in the aptosid forums before dist-upgrades
>

Avoiding packages with really big dependency chains, reading
changelogs ( at least if I can download them, but sometimes it is
impossible ), being VERY wary when upgrading one of: initscripts,
initramfs, dash,  and upgrading as often as possible ( this eases
possibles transitions lowering possible breakdowns of system ).

IMHO apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are something that everyone
should have installed

I don't check Debian Weather, and I don't see a reason why should I do
dist-upgrade, after all I'm running sid constantly

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Re: About paste.debian.net

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:24:47 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> I want to send a pdf file to paste.debian.net.  What language shall I
> select?

All the "pastebins" services I know only allow images or text files to 
upload. OTOH, languaje selection works for plain text files (to detect 
syntax), not binary, I guess.

You can use another file upload service, such "http://
www.sendspace.com/", but there many more out there.

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Re: map doesn't work (vim)

[wolf python london]

On 12 March 2011 18:43, Chris Bannister  wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:51:30AM +0800, wolf python london wrote:
>> hey , there,
>>
>> I come across a weird problem  in vim.
>>
>> Today , I plan to read the source code in vim in virtual console
>> (> "map" doesn't work .
>>
>>  map  :!ctags -R --c++-kinds=+p --fields=+iaS --extra=+q . 
>>    "doesn't work
>>
>> However I try another case :
>> map   i#include                     "it works
>> imap myemail lyh19901...@gmail.com         "it works too
>>
>> And all of the above can work if I use vim in gnome-terminal .
>>
>> any clue/tips?
>
> Questions regarding the usage of vim should be directed to the vim-use
> group. See http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/web/vim-information
>
it's Debian that the problem occurs , isn't it?
some bugs are not resulted by the software itself , but the
environment it's deployed in ,
even though I'm not sure why it happens .

And  vim is modified by the packagers, how do I know when this
bug(problem) was introduced ?

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Re: Disable Evince Toolbar Permanently

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:48:55 +0200, Volkan YAZICI wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:36:49 +0100, Claudius Hubig writes:
>> Volkan YAZICI wrote:
>>>Is it possible to disable the toolbar in Evince permanently?
>>
>> works for me permanently (i. e. after a restart of Evince).
> 
> Strange, it doesn't for me. Which WM/Desktop do you use? (BTW, which
> Debian version?)

Evince should remember the last configuration automatically (panels, 
toolbars...).

Try to launch it from a new user.

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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Stan Hoeppner]

Andrei Popescu put forth on 3/12/2011 4:10 AM:
> On Vi, 11 mar 11, 19:42:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> If you want to make sure you get all the GUI tools you need without
>> chasing them down individually after doing a text only install, simply
>> do a standard desktop install but then set the default runlevel to 2.
> 
> 2 *is* the default runlevel in Debian, probably because runlevels 2 to 5 
> are by default identical.

Ahh, quite right--got my OSes confused for a moment.

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What are your best practices for running Debian unstable?

[Aniruddha]

I've collected some best practices for running Debian unstable,  I'm
curious to hear what other Debian unstable users do to minimize
possible problems with running Debian unstable. My current list:

* Install apt-listbugs
* Install apt-listchanges
* Check the ' Debian Weather'  before dist-upgrades (
http://edos.debian.net/weather/ )
* Check 'Upgrade Warnings' in the aptosid forums before dist-upgrades


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Re: X starts only after rebooting

[George]

On 3/12/11, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> On Vi, 11 mar 11, 19:44:49, George wrote:
>> Ever since I upgraded to squeeze I have a problem which happens on
>> almost every boot. The nvidia logo shows up and then I'm thrown to a
>> command line. I have to login from the command line and reboot from
>> there and then everything works fine. Here are the Xorg.logs
>> generated, first when the problem happens and then when it does not.
>
> If you are using gdm this might be a timeout issue, this[1] workaround
> might help.
>
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586007#15
>
> Anyway, if you see the nVidia logo X is definitely working fine, the
> problem is with the *dm (try startx instead) or the session manager (try
> another one or a plain WM).
>

I'm using kdm but awesome as the window manager, I don't use kde. I
did try startx as well, but X didn't start and the error message "no
screens found" was given. Sadly, I don't have the complete log of that
attempt handy.


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Re: firewall: iptables vs ufw/gufw

[Tom H]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Andrei Popescu
 wrote:
> On Vi, 11 mar 11, 14:56:42, Michael Friendly wrote:
>>
>> - Do I have to install/enable the rules from iptables for ssh,
>> samba, etc within ufw?
>
> First you need to find out exactly how the iptables rules are loaded.
> Could be via /etc/rc.local a dedicated script in /etc/init.d/ or
> something else (is package iptables-persistent also in Ubuntu?). Do not
> try to use ufw until you know exactly how the current iptables rules are
> loaded and you know for sure you can disable them!

Check "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/" and "/etc/network/if-up.d/" too.

And, if you're using Network Manager, there *may* be other directories
to look into.


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About paste.debian.net

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dear all,

I want to send a pdf file to paste.debian.net.  What language shall I select?

Thanks for any help
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Re: File server without the Xserver

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 11 mar 11, 19:42:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> If you want to make sure you get all the GUI tools you need without
> chasing them down individually after doing a text only install, simply
> do a standard desktop install but then set the default runlevel to 2.

2 *is* the default runlevel in Debian, probably because runlevels 2 to 5 
are by default identical.

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Re: firewall: iptables vs ufw/gufw

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 11 mar 11, 14:56:42, Michael Friendly wrote:
> Hi
> I have a new machine running kubuntu 10.04 which was setup by an IT
> person with firewalls in /etc/iptables that largely lock-down my
> box,
> e.g. some specified services (sftp/ssh) from a designated IP address
> work, but I can't even ping my box from an scp-enabled IP address
> PC,
> far less, use sftp/ssh from home.
> 
> I find iptables rules daunting and can't depend on further support from
> our IT, so I'm looking for an alternative that would be easier for me
> to manage on my own.  I've read descriptions of ufw and the GUI gufw,
> which seem simpler to understand and use.  ufw is presently installed
> but not enabled.
> 
> I don't know how to transition from iptables to ufw:
> - Do I have to disable iptables first

ufw is a frontend to iptables, so "disabling" iptables (whatever you 
mean by that) will make ufw useless.

> - Do I have to install/enable the rules from iptables for ssh,
> samba, etc within ufw?
> 
> Any help/guidance would be appreciated.  If there is a better forum for
> this query, please let me know also.

First you need to find out exactly how the iptables rules are loaded. 
Could be via /etc/rc.local a dedicated script in /etc/init.d/ or 
something else (is package iptables-persistent also in Ubuntu?). Do not 
try to use ufw until you know exactly how the current iptables rules are 
loaded and you know for sure you can disable them!

Next would be to try to understand what the rules do and reimplement the 
functionality in ufw. By the time you are done you might not need ufw 
anymore ;)

Now you can start changing the rules, but beware, you are likely to go 
against your organisations policy...

Have fun,
Andrei
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Re: X starts only after rebooting

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 11 mar 11, 19:44:49, George wrote:
> Ever since I upgraded to squeeze I have a problem which happens on
> almost every boot. The nvidia logo shows up and then I'm thrown to a
> command line. I have to login from the command line and reboot from
> there and then everything works fine. Here are the Xorg.logs
> generated, first when the problem happens and then when it does not.
 
If you are using gdm this might be a timeout issue, this[1] workaround 
might help.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586007#15

Anyway, if you see the nVidia logo X is definitely working fine, the 
problem is with the *dm (try startx instead) or the session manager (try 
another one or a plain WM).

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Re: Is there a netinst CD image for lenny?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 11 mar 11, 10:30:58, Charles Blair wrote:
> 
> after which I get a black screen.   I have tried typing "e"
> at the grub prompt and adding "nopic" at the end of a line
> that begins

"nopic" or "noapic"? :) Try also "nolapic"

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Re: Mail filtering / rules: mutt + offlineimap + ???

[Joel Roth]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 04:47:43PM -0800, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> I've been been using mutt + offlineimap for great justice ... except for
> filtering.
> 
> I've previously relied on procmail for local rules management.  While
> Gmail's rules are reasonably decent, not all IMAP providers are as
> blessed.
> 
> I'd also like to trigger libnotify messages on certain messages as well.
> 
> Hrm ... imapfilter according to the Consilience blog:
> 
> http://blog.grossmeier.net/2009/01/25/imapfilterofflineimapmsmtpmuttabook/
> 
> What are others using for this, and/or set up the bomb?

Hi, I use a script based on the perl module Email::Filter.
Email::Filter's syntax is much better than procmail,
even allowing for Perl's much-maligned syntax.

You could place that in a .forward file.

I combined Email::Filter with an IMAP client library, and published 
the code at https://github.com/bolangi/imapget . 
Although it works for me, it needs work and should
be considered alpha code.

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Re: map doesn't work (vim)

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:51:30AM +0800, wolf python london wrote:
> hey , there,
> 
> I come across a weird problem  in vim.
> 
> Today , I plan to read the source code in vim in virtual console
> ( "map" doesn't work .
> 
>  map  :!ctags -R --c++-kinds=+p --fields=+iaS --extra=+q . 
>"doesn't work
> 
> However I try another case :
> map   i#include "it works
> imap myemail lyh19901...@gmail.com "it works too
> 
> And all of the above can work if I use vim in gnome-terminal .
> 
> any clue/tips?

Questions regarding the usage of vim should be directed to the vim-use
group. See http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/web/vim-information

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