sorry test

[Александр]

sorry test


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wget & certificates

[Kamil Jońca]

I have strange problem with wget:
$wget -e "background = off" -v -x 
'https://www.centrum24.pl/bzwbkonline/eSmart.html?typ=90&lang=pl'

--8<---cut here---start->8---
--2011-05-19 07:26:00--  
https://www.centrum24.pl/bzwbkonline/eSmart.html?typ=90&lang=pl
Resolving www.centrum24.pl... 195.20.110.130
Connecting to www.centrum24.pl|195.20.110.130|:443... connected.
ERROR: cannot verify www.centrum24.pl's certificate, issued by 
`/C=US/O=VeriSign, Inc./OU=VeriSign Trust Network/OU=Terms of use at 
https://www.verisign.com/rpa (c)06/CN=VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL 
SGC CA':
  Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority.
To connect to www.centrum24.pl insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

Connecting with iceweasel seems ok? 
What is wrong, what to check?
KJ


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Errr... why don't you just open a normal xterm and then type "su"
at the prompt. It should ask you for the root password, which you
can then type in, press enter, and viola! Terminal with root
privileges.

Alternatively, if su hasn't been set up, sudo probably has. You can
accomplish something similar with a shell escape.
sudo sudo /bin/bash

With sudo, you type in your user password, rather than the root
password.

On 19 May 2011 03:12, Ken Heard  wrote:
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> In KDE 3.5 the panel kicker has an applet called "Terminal
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for
> root which required the root password to open.  I can't find the
> equivalent in KDE 4.5.  Is there one?
>
> Regards, Ken Heard
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Re: So much for Skype.

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On 11 May 2011 15:42, Jamie Thompson  wrote:
> On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik
 wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland
 wrote:
 So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.

 I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short
order. Oh
 well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St.
Ignucious is
 shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.

 This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.

 And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could.

 Curt-

Well, if you mean alternative ways to call Skype users without
actually running Skype, there are rumors the the Chinese already
succeeded in reverse engineering it.

http://www.asteriskvoipnews.com/skype/chinese_clone_reverse_engineer
s_skype_protocol.html

If you mean alternative internet-based phones... well, there's
already a long list.

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>>>
>>> better download that latest linux version now.
>>>
>>> annoying, but it does work.
>>
>> Moving on to google talk...
>>
>
> Wish I could get more to do so...
>
> The problem with social software is that you need to support the
> platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means
Windows
> and Macs.
>
> Problem is, there are no Windows clients AFAIK with decent Jingle
video
> support. Google, for some crazy reason, decided to put resources
into
> making a plugin for GMail rather than adding it to their GTalk
client
> software. Pidgin doesn't have video on Windows, and I've not
found a
> decent SIP client yet, let alone a "normal" user with a SIP
account to
> call them with.
>
> In an ideal world, I'd like to see ubiquitous Jingle support, and
> properly maintained XMPP transports for each proprietary network,
with
> Jingle support added to those if possible. A ubiquitous free
solution
> for NAT traversal would be nice too, so you get the same "just
works
> experience" that Skype offers.
>
> - Jamie

I prefer SIP precisely because it's intercompatible with what
(nearly) everyone uses.

The standard isn't Skype. The standard is PTSN. It has been for a
long time, and it probably will be for a long time to come. If I'm
tight on money, and I can only afford phone or internet, but not
both, I'm going to pick phone. Why? Aside from usually being
cheaper, it's easier to live without home internet than without
home phone (or cell phone, but home phone is usually cheaper and
more reliable). More people expect to be able to contact me that
way. A lot of my friends don't have home computers or home
internet, and very few lack a phone of some sort, plus PTSN is the
standard real-time distance communications method. For occasional
internet to contact people who absolutely insist on using e-mail
instead, I can go to the library. Now, I could try to use an
internet phone, but then (with some exceptions) you have to leave
your computer on all the time you want to be reachable, miss calls
when you have it off, the phone doesn't work during power outages
(which can be a big thing), runs up the electric bill -- and that's
all assuming the connection between your client and the provider is
stable even when your computer is up and running, which it often
isn't. (Oh, and I might be able to get a few free hours of dial-up
every month, enough to check e-mail regularly, although a lot of
the free dial-up programs are Windows-only, unfortunately.) So,
given the choice between the two, I, and most people, would pick
phone.

And that's what I normally do, but as these aren't normal times,
and I couldn't actually afford either, were it not for the fact
that I'm getting internet for free right now (well, using someone
else's, with permission of course). But most people still use
phone. With Skype, I would have to pay for Skype-In and Skype-Out
to interact with them, which defeats the point of not having to pay
for phone service. Two choices (that I know of) left: Google Voice
and SIP. Google Voice gives me a free number, and free calls out to
the U.S. and Canada, which is great. The minority of people who do
not use PTSN, for whatever reason, can call directly via Google
Talk. And look! GtalktoVOIP, which basically makes Google Voice
compatible with most VOIP systems besides Skype, which is
apparently to proprietary to be easily supported. Two problems with
Google Voice, one minor and one major. Firstly, to make and receive
calls over the internet, I have to have Gmail open, in full
JavaScript mode, which is a pain on this old computer. Secondly,
it's x86/amd64 only, which means it's not just a pain, it's
impossible, since this computer is a powerpc. (And don't get me
sta

Re: Differnece and purpose of two initrd.gz in netinstall image

[Ravi Roy]

Thanks Camaleon for quick response, I also have the same view :-)

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Camaleón  wrote:

>  On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:31:16 +0530, Ravi Roy wrote:
> Maybe the one located under "/gtk" uses the graphical installer :-?
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>

Re: firmware-realtek (0.29) can't work at amd64

[spp mg]

2011/5/17 Camaleón 
>
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 14:39:47 +0800, spp mg wrote:
>
> > 2011/5/9 Camaleón 
> >
> >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 15:05:12 +0800, spp mg wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have rtl8191su wireless chip,and os is debian amd64 testing.
> >> >
> >> > I can compile source from RealTek in kernel 2.6.26,but the newer
> >> > can't. So I try to use apt install the firmware-realtek (0.29).(I
> >> > believe rtl8192 and rtl8191 use same source.),but it can't work too.
> >> >
> >> > And I try to use the i386 system( kernel 2.6.38, installed
> >> > firmware-realtek (0.29)),it work perfect!
> >> >
> >> > How to solve this problem? thanks a lot .
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if you have already tried with any of the mentioned in
> >> this wiki page:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
> >>
> >> It seems the driver has been available since kernel 2.6.32-10 so it
> >> should also be present for 2.6.38-x and upwards :-?
>
> > sorry,I am too late to reply.
>
> (no problem, but don't make use of html formatted messages and better yet
> if you reply at bottom or inline and don't cross-post ;-))

Ok, like this?
>
> > Because I have not the RTL chip at hand.I can't try now.
> >
> > I try to describe detail.
> > I use wicd (RTL8191SU and amd64) connect wireless network.
> >
> > wicd scan function is ok, but when I connect net,it will connect a long
> > time,and display "password error".But I'm sure password is right.(The
> > config can use in kernel 2.6.26.)
>
> Make wicd to be more verbose if possible, there must be an option in the
> program settings you can toggle on.

Oh,I used "wicd-curses".I will try to use "wicd-cli" or find logs.

>
> > On the i386,I just use apt install firmware-realtek (0.29).
>
> And it works fine? Then it can be a bug within the amd64 port package.
>
Yes,it's works fine.
When I go back hometown (less then 1 month), I will use live cd of
i386 and amd64 to test again. Because I just use other computer to
test i386.

If it's bug,how to report?

>  --
> > Other information :
> > When RTL chip work ,r8712u will load. I read the Wheezy section (from
> > the debian wiki page). I just don't do that :
> > cp rtl8192u_linux_2.6.0006.1031.2008/firmware/RTL8192U/*
> > /usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U
> >
> > (And my chip is not 8192.)
>
> Your chipset (rtl8191su) should be supported by "r8712u" driver, or at
> least that's what it says the wiki page.
>
> Greetings,
>
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What is the recommended way to handle squeeze-proposed-updates?

[Mark]

Hi,

I had to add the squeeze-proposed-updates repos to my sources.list after
learning about the intel 855gm bug in squeeze that requires a fix from the
proposed updates section.  After apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, 13
packages were updated/upgraded including apt.  Am I supposed to keep the
proposed updates repos active in sources.list for the life of squeeze, or do
something else?  What if I comment it out now?  I want this to be a stable
system.  This is a brand new area for me so any help is appreciated.  Also,
after doing this, the bug in Squeeze is fixed, but after I boot into Windows
7 on the dual-boot machine and reboot into Squeeze, it passes the Grub
splash screen and then some tests until it gets to the section dealing with
the drives/devices and completely freezes with blinking cursor and no
activity.  A hard shut down is required.  Anyone else experienced this?

Thank you,
Mark

Does KDE 4.5 have a root Xterm?

[Ken Heard]

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If it does I cannot find it.

In KDE 3.5 the panel kicker has an applet called "Terminal Sessions".
Clicking on it provided a choice of Xterms to open, including one for
root which required the root password to open.  I can't find the
equivalent in KDE 4.5.  Is there one?

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Re: wheezy and amd64 k8 machine

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm totally blind and live alone whenever using Linux.  Fortunately I 
have a couple friends in the County Camera Club who I think I could get 
to show me how to position my IPhone 3gs so it can take pictures of the 
screen.  Thanks for the suggestion since willing expertise doesn't live 
far away now so I'll probably be able to learn another useful skill.

On Wed, 18 May 2011, Camale?n wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2011 22:22:16 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> (...)
> 
> > What has me worried about udev though is that these messages
> > start out with udev followed by hex values and don't have error or
> > warning in them so far as I can tell.  I don't know that the error
> > logging facility will even capture these errors.
> 
> They should be logged by enabling boot logging, but you can always use a 
> digital still camera to register the errors.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 



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Re: Mp3 Encoding (and Virtual Machine Software for Wheezy?)

[Tin Kidneys]

On 05/18/2011 03:41 PM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

18/05/2011 21:25, Tin Kidneys wrote:

On 05/18/2011 03:16 AM, Chen Wei wrote:

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:35:01AM -0400, Tin Kidneys wrote:

I just purchased a Sony E-Series Walkman,&   don't have any album
artwork showing on mp3's i just encoded using my Debian Wheezy
system (my lame libraries are from debian-multimedia.org).

Some of the mp3's i added were actually showing artwork, so i ran
those files through my hex editor and discovered the problem was the
version of lame i was encoding with. The mp3's i encoded using my
Debian (Wheezy) system, the artwork was not showing. But the older
mp3's i was adding... their album's artwork WAS showing.

It might not be the version of lame, but the version of id3 tag cause
the problem. I'd like suggest you start troubleshooting by compare the
id3 tag version, or use a tag editor, easytag for example, to rewrite
the mp3 tag in the version that Sony mp3 supported.


Install a virtual machine, load the older libraries,&   do my
encoding there. However, my issue is i don't know of any virtual
machine software available for Debian Wheezy (amd64). Do you guys
know of any?

virtualbox

Thanks for the response. All tags on mp3's which are currently showing&
not showing artwork are in ID3v2.3, so the issue is not ID3 tags.

Also, VirtualBox is not available for Wheezy (amd64), and neither is
VMWare.


Hi, assuming you are talking about the Oracle Virtualbox, Squeeze
version works fine on wheezy/Sid (amd64), just add:

deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib

to your sources.list.


VirtualBox on Wheezy has been a really, really ugly experience. Here's a 
quick recap -



1. Follow the directions to add the Squeeze version from virtualbox.org 
(contrib, VirtualBox 4).


2. Attempt to install Guest Additions, & synaptic says it has to 
uninstall VirtualBox (huh?)


- I was installing the Guest Additions 4 from the VirtualBox source.

3. Uninstalled VirtualBox 4 from the contrib source, moved on to the 
"non-free" version (source is still virtualbox.org), which is actually 
VirtualBox 3.


4. Attempt to install the Guest Additions, and again, Synaptic says it 
has to uninstall VirtualBox (Huh?!)


5. Virtual machines now won't start (issues with dkms).



My alternative (which i tried on another system) is to bite the bullet & 
install the prior version of lame & gstreamer plugins on my system.


But the issue with that is the program i use (Sound Converter in the 
official repositories) will not encode mp3 for some reason.


Even after i go through the steps of being sure all the gstreamer 
plugins are installed.



What a trip.


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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Gilbert Sullivan]

On 05/18/2011 06:59 PM, Rob Owens wrote:

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 07:53:56AM -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

Who knows? Since Adobe has stated that new versions of the Flash
server are going to automatically serve html5 when the client lacks
the Flash reader, perhaps users of free software will benefit. The
html5 content at YouTube works very well with chromium-browser.
Better than the Flash content, as a matter of fact.


I was unaware that there was html5 content on YouTube.  For those
equally ignorant:

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/watch-video-in-youtubes-html5-player.html
http://www.youtube.com/html5

-Rob



Hi, Rob!

Yeah. I forget just when it was that I stumbled upon that feature. On 
all of my systems -- at least -- the HTML5 videos (when they are 
available) play better than the concomitant Flash videos. Now I would 
expect that, considering that I'm using that much-maligned (a little 
unfairly, in my opinion) gnash plug-in.


However, I fancy that I see the same improvement in quality going from 
Flash to HTML5 on friends' Windows systems. And those are most 
definitely not running gnash as the Flash player!



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Re: rolling vanilla kernel on Squeeze

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 5/18/2011 3:08 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote:

> Hi, not a bug, it's a feature ;-). It's been added to the make deb-pkg
> target. Your best bet is to look into /scripts/package/builddeb

> I think you can safely ignore the packages if you don't use modules at
> all, if you didn't miss them before you are unlikely to miss them now.

Thanks to everyone who responded.  Looks like they're unneeded (in my
case), as I suspected.  I was told the same by a dev on IRC.  Apparently
this feature was added by, or at the request of, Ted T'so and another
dev called 'maks', and is relatively new.

-- 
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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 07:53:56AM -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:
> Who knows? Since Adobe has stated that new versions of the Flash
> server are going to automatically serve html5 when the client lacks
> the Flash reader, perhaps users of free software will benefit. The
> html5 content at YouTube works very well with chromium-browser.
> Better than the Flash content, as a matter of fact.
> 
I was unaware that there was html5 content on YouTube.  For those
equally ignorant:

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/watch-video-in-youtubes-html5-player.html
http://www.youtube.com/html5

-Rob


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Re: Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Marcelo Luiz de Laia]

> > Any suggestion?
>
> I found a very recent bug:
>
> xorg: X server disables mouse and keyboard upon starting
> (Thinkpad T420 4180W1H)
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626604
> 
> Check if the provided step also applies for you :-?

Thank you very much

I look at that bug and I am go to udev's' bug site. There, I found
this bug:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621327

This solve my problem!

Now, all work perfectlly!!!
touchpad, keyboard, webcam, battery ... We are in a party, now, at home! Very
happy!

Thank you very much!

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Re: Avoid POP3

[Miles Fidelman]

Camaleón wrote:

Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave
enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, it
never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think how
is that so hard to understand.
   


I think everyone understand this just fine.  What I question is why this 
is relevant, other

than in confusing the OP.


And YES, to the extent that pop3 is still used, there are lots of cases
where people leave messages on their server - for example, checking mail
from a smartphone, then downloading and saving it later from a computer
at home or office.  (And, perhaps, as pointed out in RFC1918, using the
pop3 server as a cheap mail repository.)
 

Yes, it can be used, of course, it's an optional feature that can be
provided by your e-mail server.
   


I see it as just the opposite.  Keeping the email until explicitly 
delete is the assumption.  Deleting

email without a specific DELE command issued is optional, and out-of-band.


POP3 is not intended to provide extensive manipulation operations of
mail on the server; normally, mail is downloaded and then deleted."

Note the word "normally."
 

Yes, I've noted, I hope you also did :-)
   


I did.  I also note that in standards speak, "normally" is equivalent to 
"may."  What matters

are the "should" and "must" statements.  In particular, the RFC states:

"Clients MUST not assume that a site policy will automate messagedeletions,
and SHOULD continue to explicitly delete messages using the DELE command
when appropriate."  (emphasis mine)



-
Which brings us back to the original question that started this thread:
 

Well, at last someone re-read the original post!
   


:-)

I read it as if the OP is currently *downloading and deleting* the e-
mails that come from the POP3 server... but he can read the messages
without downloading them, many pop3 checkers do that way! And I just said
this, no more, no less.
   


I read it as an OP unclear on the concept.  He (she?) is trying to 
access POP3 mail from
Roundcube - with a less than clear understanding of how POP3 works - as 
evident from

a statement that asks about "reading without downloading."


2.  POP3 does NOT inherently delete messages after they are read
 

It's the default action, but you can use another words if you like.
   


It's the default action of many clients, not of the POP3 protocol.

Since the OP was asking about things like gateways, the matter of 
defaults is very
much less clear.  I expect, for example, that Blackberry's email gateway 
defaults

to leaving mail on the original account.

And then there are libraries and tools like fetchmail - where everything 
is specifiable.




   

3.  There are both clients and software libraries (and probably gateway
services) that can:
- pull mail from a POP3 mailbox
- make that mail available via IMAP
- AND leave the original mail on the POP3 server
 

Of course, there are also fetchmail and getmail for that task and you can
instruct both applications to keep a copy in the server.
   


Which, I expect is really the solution to the OPs original question.


What also might be relevant is clarifying the original poster's intent.
 

Exactly!
   


Always :-)

Why is someone "building  an app which uses Roundcube to read mails" -
given that Roundcube already IS an app to read mails.  If the question
is "how do we extend Roundcube to access POP3 mailboxes?" that leads to
a very different answer (e.g., a plug-in or gateway) than if the OP is
writing an application that has email as an internal function - in which
case, that tends to lead toward use of a package of mail-access library
routines, rather than an email client like Roundcube.
 

Just a side note on this.

You are not aware that the OP sent the same question to the Spanish
mailing list and I replied to him in there becasue I first saw the
question in that list... and I asked him to clarify what was his exact
intention, what was he wanting to get because I was not very clear to me,
neither.
   


Ahhh... don't you just hate that.

What is definitely not helpful are factually inaccurate statements like:
"pop3, due to its own nature, inherits by default a
"download/fetch/get/retrieve and delete" and then attempts to further
justify such statements with further inaccurate statements and with
references to binding documentation that states exactly the opposite.
 

Sir, just two things:

1/ The "inaccurate statements" can be because I'm not a native English
speaker and my English vocabulary is not as good as I would like (or as
it can be yours). I hope you can understand that.
   


Fair enough.

2/ The RFC (and also the Wikipedia article) clearly say that UIDL is not
intended to be used as a "poor" copy of the imap features, that is, to
keep messages on the server and follow their state (seen, read, etc...)
nor to track them.

   


The RFC is definitive, Wikipedia certainly is not.  I'll still

Re: Mp3 Encoding (and Virtual Machine Software for Wheezy?)

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

18/05/2011 21:25, Tin Kidneys wrote:
> On 05/18/2011 03:16 AM, Chen Wei wrote:
>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:35:01AM -0400, Tin Kidneys wrote:
>>> I just purchased a Sony E-Series Walkman,&  don't have any album
>>> artwork showing on mp3's i just encoded using my Debian Wheezy
>>> system (my lame libraries are from debian-multimedia.org).
>>>
>>> Some of the mp3's i added were actually showing artwork, so i ran
>>> those files through my hex editor and discovered the problem was the
>>> version of lame i was encoding with. The mp3's i encoded using my
>>> Debian (Wheezy) system, the artwork was not showing. But the older
>>> mp3's i was adding... their album's artwork WAS showing.
>> It might not be the version of lame, but the version of id3 tag cause
>> the problem. I'd like suggest you start troubleshooting by compare the
>> id3 tag version, or use a tag editor, easytag for example, to rewrite
>> the mp3 tag in the version that Sony mp3 supported.
>>
>>> Install a virtual machine, load the older libraries,&  do my
>>> encoding there. However, my issue is i don't know of any virtual
>>> machine software available for Debian Wheezy (amd64). Do you guys
>>> know of any?
>> virtualbox
>>
>>
> 
> Thanks for the response. All tags on mp3's which are currently showing &
> not showing artwork are in ID3v2.3, so the issue is not ID3 tags.
> 
> Also, VirtualBox is not available for Wheezy (amd64), and neither is
> VMWare.
> 
> 

Hi, assuming you are talking about the Oracle Virtualbox, Squeeze
version works fine on wheezy/Sid (amd64), just add:

deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib

to your sources.list.


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syncing on Debian Squeeze with pilot-link

[Mark Grieveson]

Hello.  I use jpilot.  I recently got a used Palm Pilot Zire 21.  I had
previously been using a Palm IIIe, but it was a serial connection,
and did not use a usb to sync. I have used a Zire in the past, but I
can't seem to set this one set up correctly.  I read the README files
from the pilot-link package, and did once get it to sync, but I can't
seem to do it again.

The stuff I did was something along the lines of running the following
commands:

/sbin/modprobe uhci_hcd
/sbin/modprobe ehci_hcd
/bin/mknod /dev/ttyUSB1 c 188 1
/bin/chmod 0666 /dev/ttyUSB?

I'm not sure exactly if this is what I did to get it to sync the one
time, but those commands are from the README.usb file of the Debian
package pilot-link, which I used. 

It doesn't work now, and I'd hate to have to keep entering some
variation of the above commands each time. There is another file,
called README.Debian, that presumably tells users how to set it up to
work once and for all. The problem is I don't really understand what
this README.Debian file is instructing.  Some of what the README.Debian
file says is:

/dev/pilot is no more used by pilot-link. You shall indicate the port
to use either with --port  or by the environment variable
$PILOTPORT.

I haven't a clue what they're talking about here. Where is this
"environment variable $PILOTPORT"?  Does anyone know how to set this up?

All answers appreciated.

Mark


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Re: So much for Skype.

[Steven Sciame]

>
>From: Daniel Andersson 
>To: Leonardo Ruoso ; debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:42 AM
>Subject: Re: So much for Skype.
>
>Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
>
>I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is in 
>calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
>
>
>/Daniel
>
>

You may need to disable the Theora codec and use H261 because of this bug:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611313

You can do it from the Edit ---> Preferences menu

That is the only way I could get Ekiga to successfully video call.  



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Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:29:49 -0300, Marcelo Luiz de Laia wrote:

>> But I see no trace for a standalone mouse device... hum, interesting. I
>> wonder what would happen with no keyboard/mouse attached at all
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I could log in by ssh!

Good :-D
 
> Here is the Xorg.0.log without any standalone mouse/keyboard.
> 
> http://pastebin.com/tZ8fHqLC
> 
> Any clue for testing here?

There is no mouse nor keyboard detected >:-?

> My battery isn't detected too.
> 
> janaina@janaina:~$ lsmod|grep -i -e acpi -e batt acpi_cpufreq  
> 12737  1
> processor  26983  5 acpi_cpufreq mperf 
> 12387  1 acpi_cpufreq janaina@janaina:~$
> 
> janaina@janaina:~$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/* cat:
> /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/*: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
> janaina@janaina:~$
> 
> My webcam ... I suppose that it isn't detected too, but, I will do that
> later.

Sure... there are neither acpi events registered in the last log that you 
have provided.

> Any suggestion?

I found a very recent bug:

xorg: X server disables mouse and keyboard upon starting (Thinkpad T420 
4180W1H)
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626604

Check if the provided step also applies for you :-?

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Re: Mp3 Encoding (and Virtual Machine Software for Wheezy?)

[Tin Kidneys]

On 05/18/2011 03:16 AM, Chen Wei wrote:

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:35:01AM -0400, Tin Kidneys wrote:

I just purchased a Sony E-Series Walkman,&  don't have any album
artwork showing on mp3's i just encoded using my Debian Wheezy
system (my lame libraries are from debian-multimedia.org).

Some of the mp3's i added were actually showing artwork, so i ran
those files through my hex editor and discovered the problem was the
version of lame i was encoding with. The mp3's i encoded using my
Debian (Wheezy) system, the artwork was not showing. But the older
mp3's i was adding... their album's artwork WAS showing.

It might not be the version of lame, but the version of id3 tag cause
the problem. I'd like suggest you start troubleshooting by compare the
id3 tag version, or use a tag editor, easytag for example, to rewrite
the mp3 tag in the version that Sony mp3 supported.


Install a virtual machine, load the older libraries,&  do my
encoding there. However, my issue is i don't know of any virtual
machine software available for Debian Wheezy (amd64). Do you guys
know of any?

virtualbox




Thanks for the response. All tags on mp3's which are currently showing & 
not showing artwork are in ID3v2.3, so the issue is not ID3 tags.


Also, VirtualBox is not available for Wheezy (amd64), and neither is VMWare.


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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:46:33 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

> On 05/18/2011 09:17 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> But it's not only video, there are many sites that are completely
>> rendered and rely on a specific version of the player and you are
>> completely out of luck if you're using a flash version that does not
>> match the site requirements.
> 
> Yep. I'm particularly nasty when I write to the folks who maintain sites
> that require Adobe flash for navigation. Requiring a
> security-hole-ridden piece of proprietary software to be installed on
> the client's system just for navigation is not acceptable. I gave what
> for to the folks who managed a Blue Cross (health insurance) Web site a
> couple of years ago. To my surprise, they fixed the problem! I have to
> admit, though, that most such folks don't even bother to respond.

:-)

I've been working as a web developer and I fully agree with you that is 
is not an acceptable policy. If someone wants to develop a crapped web 
site full of fading windows that come in and come out in front of the 
user, good, but you also have to provide a fallback site to the users 
that cannot even load the main page.

We used to have a flash animation on our site that, as soon as I had the 
time to perform the changes, has been replaced by a combo of css+dom
+javascript, fully rendered with just the browser.
 
> I simply won't do business with such folks over their Web sites. I'm
> willing to put up with the inanity of automated phone systems and the
> slowness of mail when dealing with them in order to avoid their Internet
> sites. I'm sure I'm inconveniencing myself more than I'm inconveniencing
> them, but I don't care. I just refuse to install and use the junkware on
> any system that I maintain. It's not a religious thing. I'm just
> stubborn.

I wish I can do that way.

Look, I recently had to buy a ticket for a fly with an airline company 
that presented the timetable using some kind of flash animation. Yes, I 
could have placed a phone call and buy the tickets in the "old way" but I 
was told to do it online so we can send the tickets to the passenger via 
e-mail. I'm using lenny, and if I had used the gnash plugin the passenger 
could have been finished in another country completely at the opposite to 
the desired destination :-)
 
> Obviously, I know lots of folks who use it all. I don't chide them about
> it, but they do get an earful if they ask my avoidance of it. This has
> actually turned out to be an easy way for me to avoid feeling obligated
> to help people who ask me for help configuring and maintaining their
> systems. If I explain that I won't help them maintain systems running
> proprietary software (I'll make an exception for firmware, sometimes.)

Ahh, true. Nowadays we cannot completely avoid using some closed source 
programs/firmwares/drivers ;-(

> they usually shrug their shoulders and ask someone else -- which is just
> peach with me.
> 
> ;-)

Well played by you.
 
> Did I mention that I'm a bit of a curmudgeon?

It's the only way to survive in the jungle :-)

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Re: Crippled Xorg

[David Baron]

On Tuesday 13 Iyar 5771 23:15:12 David Baron wrote:
> Latest of Sid comes up with keyboard and mouse disabled. In other words, no
> logons either!
> 
> Unplugging and replugging the USB mouse reactivated the mouse. So I
> borrowed a USB keyboard from a friend and plugged that in and I am in an
> using it right now.
> 
> Xorg log has strange new message to the effect:
> hotplugging enabled  devices mouse, keyboard, vkeyboard are disabled.
> 
> So how do I get rid of this mess?

Tried adding this to xorg.conf (got from a google to a WIKI on chakra project 
for hotplugging xorg:

Section "ServerFlags"
 Option "AutoAddDevices" "False"
 Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False"
EndSection

Seemed to work. See after next cold reboot. 

Re: Avoid POP3

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Qua, 18 Mai 2011, Camaleón wrote:

Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave
enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, it
never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think how
is that so hard to understand.


That's a MUA default, not a POP3 server default. And the MUA has to do  
two operations: retrieve and then delete.


Indeed the OP meant "download and delete" in his message. A minor  
miscommunication problem and slightly imprecise description of the  
situation, but that does not mean download means anything else.



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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Gilbert Sullivan]

On 05/18/2011 09:17 AM, Camaleón wrote:

But it's not only video, there are many sites that are completely
rendered and rely on a specific version of the player and you are
completely out of luck if you're using a flash version that does not
match the site requirements.


Yep. I'm particularly nasty when I write to the folks who maintain sites 
that require Adobe flash for navigation. Requiring a 
security-hole-ridden piece of proprietary software to be installed on 
the client's system just for navigation is not acceptable. I gave what 
for to the folks who managed a Blue Cross (health insurance) Web site a 
couple of years ago. To my surprise, they fixed the problem! I have to 
admit, though, that most such folks don't even bother to respond.


I simply won't do business with such folks over their Web sites. I'm 
willing to put up with the inanity of automated phone systems and the 
slowness of mail when dealing with them in order to avoid their Internet 
sites. I'm sure I'm inconveniencing myself more than I'm inconveniencing 
them, but I don't care. I just refuse to install and use the junkware on 
any system that I maintain. It's not a religious thing. I'm just stubborn.


Obviously, I know lots of folks who use it all. I don't chide them about 
it, but they do get an earful if they ask my avoidance of it. This has 
actually turned out to be an easy way for me to avoid feeling obligated 
to help people who ask me for help configuring and maintaining their 
systems. If I explain that I won't help them maintain systems running 
proprietary software (I'll make an exception for firmware, sometimes.) 
they usually shrug their shoulders and ask someone else -- which is just 
peach with me.


;-)

Did I mention that I'm a bit of a curmudgeon?

Best regards,
Gilbert


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Re: Avoid POP3

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:28:31 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 10:32:01 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>>> The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/reading
>>> messages, marking messages for deletion, and actually deleting
>>> messages (when a QUIT is issued) are very distinct operations that
>>> have to be executed via different protocol transactions.  There is no
>>> inherent combined download/fetch/get/retrieve/delete action.
>>>
>>> There may be default actions set up in a client, but those are client
>>> and configuration specific.
>>>  
>> Do you *really* think that pop3 is *widely* used to do not get and
>> delete the messages from the server? I don't think so, and moreover, I
>> would not recommend to keep the messages on it because it can cause a
>> big mess on the client side, better use imap.
>>
>>
> I didn't say that - I said that there is no inherent combined operation
> in the protocol - if read/delete are bundled, it is either by action of
> a client invoking the protocol, or by an out-of-band action on the
> server side.

Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave 
enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, it 
never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think how 
is that so hard to understand.
 
> And YES, to the extent that pop3 is still used, there are lots of cases
> where people leave messages on their server - for example, checking mail
> from a smartphone, then downloading and saving it later from a computer
> at home or office.  (And, perhaps, as pointed out in RFC1918, using the
> pop3 server as a cheap mail repository.)

Yes, it can be used, of course, it's an optional feature that can be 
provided by your e-mail server.
 
(...)

>> P.S. Recommeded lecture:
>>
>> - RFC1939, chapter "8. Scaling and Operational Considerations" -
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol#Extensions
>>
>>
> Actually, I have.
> 
> RFC1939 gives a somewhat expanded statement of the intent of POP3 (vis
> POP)
> 
> "The Post Office Protocol - Version 3 (POP3) is intended to permit a
> workstation to dynamically access a maildrop on a server host in a
> useful fashion.  Usually, this means that the POP3 protocol is used to
> allow a workstation to retrieve mail that the server is holding for it.
> 
> POP3 is not intended to provide extensive manipulation operations of
> mail on the server; normally, mail is downloaded and then deleted."
> 
> Note the word "normally."

Yes, I've noted, I hope you also did :-)
 
> And then in Section 8, among other things, states:
> 
> "In these situations and others, users and vendors of POP3 clients have
> discovered
> that the combination of using the UIDL command and not issuing the DELE
> command
> can provide a weak version of the "maildrop as semi-permanent
> repository" functionality
> normally associated with IMAP."
> And goes on to recommend that commercial operators consider such actions
> as: "Imposing a per-user maildrop storage quota or the like" and/or
> "Enforce a site policy regarding mail retention on the server" and go on
> to note that "Such message deletions are outside the scope of the POP3
> protocol"
> 
> The section notes, explicitly that:
> 
> "Clients must not assume that a site policy will automate message
> deletions, and should
> continue to explicitly delete messages using the DELE command when
> appropriate."
> 
> -
> Which brings us back to the original question that started this thread:

Well, at last someone re-read the original post!
 
> "We have a problem. We are building  an app which uses Roundcube to read
> mails. It's ok for IMAP accounts, but we need to read an account
> provider who just uses POP3. We need to read it without download the
> mails.  There are some way to read the mails from POP3 account without
> download...maybe a gateway to IMAP...some idea?"
> 
> Whether IMAP is a "better" solution or not; whether it's a good idea to
> leave mail on a POP server; and whether some clients default to deleting
> messages after downloading them by POP3 are all irrelevant to the
> question.

(...)

They're not irrelevant. 

I read it as if the OP is currently *downloading and deleting* the e-
mails that come from the POP3 server... but he can read the messages 
without downloading them, many pop3 checkers do that way! And I just said 
this, no more, no less.

> What are relevant are:
> 
> 1. Clarifying that "read without download" is simply not possible, but
> that read, but leave on the server is.

I already explained this in my very first e-mail on this thread:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01463.html

> 2.  POP3 does NOT inherently delete messages after they are read

It's the default action, but you can use another words if you like.
 
> 3.  There are both clients and software libraries (and probably gateway
> services) that can:
> - pull mail from a POP

Re: Avoid POP3

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 16:50:54 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:57:16 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Camaleón,
> 
>> Pop3 was not designed to keep the messages on the server, having such
>> option is not the norm but the exception (many e-mail server do not
>> have
> 
> Cam, if you want to be all Humpty Dumpty about it(0), fine.  Just don't
> expect us to accept your corrupt definitions of words.  If you continue
> arguing that download == download and delete you only undermine your
> credibility in other areas.

Maybe you need to re-read the OP message to reconsider your arguments 
about what "download" means in this specific thread. I still don't see 
what's the problem in considering that a pop3 account will just download 
and delete all the e-mails. If the messages are not going to be deleted, 
then the OP would not have any problem, don't you think?
 
> Accept you lost this argument and cease whilst you're not so far behind.

Don't worry, I understand what are you trying to defend here but I'm 
afraid this is not just a wording problem but a conceptual one.

> (0) From 'Alice Through the Looking Glass'; "When I use a word," Humpty
> Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it
> to mean - neither more nor less."

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Adventures multi-booting late 2003 iBook G3 (was: What is this Apple Bootstrap thing of which the installer speaks?)

[annathemermaid]

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On Thu, 05 May 2011 18:14:43 + Roger Leigh
 wrote:
>> Oh, and is there anyway to escape X11 into a nice console?
>
>Ctrl-Alt-Fn to switch to ttyn.

Mysteriously, on powerpc at least, this only works if you do not
select the "graphical desktop" set of packages during the
installation process. If you do let Debian automatically install
pre-chosed graphical desktop software, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Fn-F1
all day to no avail. If you don't and manually add any graphical
packages you want with apt-get or aptitude, then you get six
consoles plus X11 on Ctrl-Alt-Fn-F7.

>> Also, is there any way to make Debian read OpenBSD's disklabel?
>> Debian seem to just see one big OpenBSD partition and none of
>the
>> subpartitions. Does that mean any partitions I want to share,
>e.g.
>> swap, have to be partitioned with something other than OpenBSD?
>
>Linux should be perfectly capable of reading BSD disklabels and
>see all the slices.  However, support needs compiling in to the
>kernel for that partition format (CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL).  Should
>be enabled by default for Debian kernels I think.  If not, you
>might need to rebuild with it enabled, or possibly just modprobe
>it if it can be built as a module (or add to /etc/modules).

I still haven't figured out how to make Debian read BSD disklabels,
however, for those who thought swap sharing was impossible (Tom
H.), I did manage to get OpenBSD to mount Debian's partitions.
Unfortunately, it required manually editing OpenBSD's disklabel to
tell it where the Debian partitions were. Doing this, it is
possible to share swap (an use my ext2/tmpfs partition as a second
swap in OpenBSD), and any other partitions, so long as they are
either ext2 or ext3.

Mac OS X can also share the ext2/3 partitions via MacFuse.

>On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 12:41:24PM -0400, annathemerm...@hush.com
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:50:55 -0400 Roger Leigh
>>  wrote:
>> >On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 09:00:50AM -0400,
>annathemerm...@hush.com
>> >wrote:
>> >> So, I was trying to install Debian on this old iBook, and
>> >> apparently yaboot wants an Apple Bootstrap partition of a
>> >> particular size. I don't see a way to create such a thing in
>the
>> >> partitioner, and I would think it is something Mac OS X ought
>to
>> >> have created? Unfortunately, the Mac OS X partitioner really
>> >isn't
>> >> that powerful.
>> >
>> >It's not, unfortunately.  You'll need to use mac-fdisk to
>> >partition
>> >the disk correctly.  This will let you create an
>Apple_Bootstrap
>> >partition of the correct size.  For some reason the Apple disk
>> >utility deliberately hides these "special" partitions!
>> Thanks! It works! Used Gentoo documentation:
>> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.3/handbook-
>> ppc.xml?part=1&chap=4&style=printable#doc_chap3
>>
>> Now that Debian is up and running, is there documentation
>somewhere
>> explaining how to make yaboot offer options to boot OpenBSD
>and/or
>> NetBSD?
>
>It should be possible, but AFAIK it's currently broken:
>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372780
>
>Looks like it's simple to fix, but there wasn't anyone who could
>test it properly.
>
>Regards,
>Roger

I've been having a more serious issue with yaboot: it seems to
wreck the Mac Os Classic disk drivers so Mac OS 9.2.2 can't boot
anymore. Instead, it just shows this sort of flashing flopping
image. Apparently, the usual workaround is to boot into the Classic
install CD and select the Update Drivers function from the Disk
Setup. Unfortunately, since I have a late 2003 model that barely
supports booting into Classic, the installation program is only
capable of running from withing OS X's Classic Mode; it doesn't
work when booted directly off the CD. The Tiger and Panther
installation disks only seem to be capable of installing the
drivers when partitioning the disk from scratch; they don't know
how to fix the drivers without wiping the disk. So, no Update
Drivers for me. The problem does not occur if Debian is installed
without the yaboot Apple_Bootstrap partition, but then, of course,
there's no way to boot Debian. Creating the Apple_Bootstrap
partition with OpenBSD's pdisk rather than Debian's mac-fdisk
doesn't help either, so I think the problem must occur when yaboot
actually installs itself onto the Apple_Bootstrap partition. Wiping
the disk and installing Mac OS X / Mac OS 9.2.2 from scratch will
resolve the issue, but then of course it will break again when I
install Debian again.

OpenBSD will still boot in it's usual way even with yaboot
installed, although if you put yaboot before the HFS partition
containing OpenBSD's ofwboot, then you have to change
boot hd:,ofwboot /bsd
to something like
boot hd:X,ofwboot /bsd
where X is the partition number of the HFS partition.
Joel Rees  wrote:
> That means that if you want to use LVM, you'll need at least three
> basic (Macintosh volume) partitions: (1) the tiny one to pass
control
> from the Apple b

Re: Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Marcelo Luiz de Laia]

> But I see no trace for a standalone mouse device...
> hum, interesting. I wonder what would happen with
> no keyboard/mouse attached at all

Hi,

I could log in by ssh!

Here is the Xorg.0.log without any standalone mouse/keyboard.

http://pastebin.com/tZ8fHqLC

Any clue for testing here?

My battery isn't detected too.

janaina@janaina:~$ lsmod|grep -i -e acpi -e batt
acpi_cpufreq   12737  1 
processor  26983  5 acpi_cpufreq
mperf  12387  1 acpi_cpufreq
janaina@janaina:~$ 

janaina@janaina:~$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/*
cat: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/*: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
janaina@janaina:~$ 

My webcam ... I suppose that it isn't detected too, but, I will do
that later.

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reorganize reprepro

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Packages will be targeted to combinations of Debian Squeeze, Debian
Wheezy, Ubuntu "X", Debian Mentors, Debian Backports etc. Also the repo
must be separated according to stability of packages. Tried packages
belong in a "stable" subdivision, new packages in a "testing" or
"unstable" subdivision etc. Another possible partition is by "free-ness"
as in Debian.

Second, my main question: How to achieve this restructuring with
reprepro? Do I need to recreate the repo from scratch? Or can I achieve,
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Re: Avoid POP3

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:57:16 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

Hello Camaleón,

> Pop3 was not designed to keep the messages on the server, having such 
> option is not the norm but the exception (many e-mail server do not
> have 

Cam, if you want to be all Humpty Dumpty about it(0), fine.  Just don't
expect us to accept your corrupt definitions of words.  If you continue
arguing that download == download and delete you only undermine your
credibility in other areas.

Accept you lost this argument and cease whilst you're not so far behind.

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Re: Differnece and purpose of two initrd.gz in netinstall image

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:31:16 +0530, Ravi Roy wrote:

> I could not find an answer as why there two initrd.gz in netinstall
> images of debian Lenny (I have only checked in Lenny) ? Can somebody
> throw some light on this please?
> 
> one under iso/install.amd/initrd.gz other under
> iso/install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz.

Maybe the one located under "/gtk" uses the graphical installer :-?

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Re: Avoid POP3

[Miles Fidelman]

Camaleón wrote:


On Wed, 18 May 2011 10:32:01 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
   

The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/reading
messages, marking messages for deletion, and actually deleting messages
(when a QUIT is issued) are very distinct operations that have to be
executed via different protocol transactions.  There is no inherent
combined download/fetch/get/retrieve/delete action.

There may be default actions set up in a client, but those are client
and configuration specific.
 

Do you *really* think that pop3 is *widely* used to do not get and delete
the messages from the server? I don't think so, and moreover, I would not
recommend to keep the messages on it because it can cause a big mess on
the client side, better use imap.
   


I didn't say that - I said that there is no inherent combined operation 
in the protocol - if read/delete are bundled, it is either by action of 
a client invoking the protocol, or by an out-of-band action on the 
server side.


And YES, to the extent that pop3 is still used, there are lots of cases 
where people leave messages on their server - for example, checking mail 
from a smartphone, then downloading and saving it later from a computer 
at home or office.  (And, perhaps, as pointed out in RFC1918, using the 
pop3 server as a cheap mail repository.)



There may be defaults and customizations on the server-side, but those
are external to the protocol (if a server deletes messages after they're
downloaded, that's completely outside the scope of POP3).
 

Pop3 was not designed to keep the messages on the server, having such
option is not the norm but the exception (many e-mail server do not have
it enabled) and as I said, it does not work very well...
   


"The intent of the Post Office Protocol (POP) is to allow a user's
workstation to access mail from a mailbox server.  It is expected
that mail will be posted from the workstation to the mailbox server
via the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP)."  RFC918 (POP)



P.S. Recommeded lecture:

- RFC1939, chapter "8. Scaling and Operational Considerations"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol#Extensions

   

Actually, I have.

RFC1939 gives a somewhat expanded statement of the intent of POP3 (vis POP)

"The Post Office Protocol - Version 3 (POP3) is intended to
permit a workstation to dynamically access a maildrop on a server
host in a useful fashion.  Usually, this means that the POP3 protocol
is used to allow a workstation to retrieve mail that the server is
holding for it.

POP3 is not intended to provide extensive manipulation operations of
mail on the server; normally, mail is downloaded and then deleted."

Note the word "normally."

And then in Section 8, among other things, states:

"In these situations and others, users and vendors of POP3 clients have 
discovered
that the combination of using the UIDL command and not issuing the DELE 
command
can provide a weak version of the "maildrop as semi-permanent 
repository" functionality

normally associated with IMAP."
And goes on to recommend that commercial operators consider such actions as:
"Imposing a per-user maildrop storage quota or the like" and/or
"Enforce a site policy regarding mail retention on the server"
and go on to note that "Such message deletions are outside the scope of 
the POP3 protocol"


The section notes, explicitly that:

"Clients must not assume that a site policy will automate message 
deletions, and should
continue to explicitly delete messages using the DELE command when 
appropriate."


-
Which brings us back to the original question that started this thread:

"We have a problem. We are building  an app which uses Roundcube to read 
mails. It's ok for IMAP accounts, but we need to read an account 
provider who just uses POP3. We need to read it without download the 
mails.  There are some way to read the mails from POP3 account without 
download...maybe a gateway to IMAP...some idea?"


Whether IMAP is a "better" solution or not; whether it's a good idea to 
leave mail on a POP server; and whether some clients default to deleting 
messages after downloading them by POP3 are all irrelevant to the question.


Maybe you like IMAP better for your purposes (I do), though it's worth 
noting that at least some IMAP servers and clients exhibit funny locking 
problems when multiple clients access the same mailbox simultaneously 
(I've had some real problems with the UW server in supporting a user who 
runs both Mac Mail and an iPhone - when both are online and polling 
asynchronously).  But again, these are irrelevant to the original 
questioner.


What are relevant are:

1. Clarifying that "read without download" is simply not possible, but 
that read, but leave on the server is.


2.  POP3 does NOT inherently delete messages after they are read

3.  There are both clients and software libraries (and probably gateway 
services) that can:

- pull mail from a POP3 mailbox
- make that mail avail

Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:56:10 -0300, Marcelo Luiz de Laia wrote:

>> There is "psmouse.proto=imps" appended at the GRUB's kernel line, is
>> that right? :-?
> 
> I found that in the ubuntu forum and I try it. But, no success.

Don't forget to remove it, just in case it is not needed.
 
>> And it seems there are two USB devices detected and configured.
> 
> Yes! Both external mouse and kbd.
> 
>> Did you boot with the external keyboard and mouse attached?
> 
> No! I need to do so to login.

Can't you login from another computer via ssh? :-?

>> try to boot with none of them connected
> 
> 
> Yes! I do this.
> 
> But, to login, I need to conect they.

Well, okay :-)

> Now, I send a Xorg.0.log with only KBD USB attached.
> 
> http://pastebin.com/Fs09ziYn

(...)

Now there is no mouse, only these lines:

[   950.644] (--) USB USB Keykoard: Found 1 mouse buttons
[   950.644] (--) USB USB Keykoard: Found scroll wheel(s)
[   950.644] (--) USB USB Keykoard: Found relative axes
[   950.644] (--) USB USB Keykoard: Found absolute axes
[   950.644] (--) USB USB Keykoard: Found keys
[   950.644] (II) USB USB Keykoard: Configuring as mouse
[   950.644] (II) USB USB Keykoard: Configuring as keyboard

But I see no trace for a standalone mouse device... hum, interesting. I 
wonder what would happen with no keyboard/mouse attached at all O:-)

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Re: Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Marcelo Luiz de Laia]

> There is "psmouse.proto=imps" appended at the GRUB's
> kernel line, is that right? :-?

I found that in the ubuntu forum and I try it. But, no success.

> And it seems there are two USB devices detected and
> configured.

Yes! Both external mouse and kbd.

> Did you boot with the external keyboard and mouse attached?

No! I need to do so to login.

> try to boot with none of them connected


Yes! I do this.

But, to login, I need to conect they.

Now, I send a Xorg.0.log with only KBD USB attached.

http://pastebin.com/Fs09ziYn

I did:

1. remove all usb device and restart the system

2. when the gdm3 prompt me the login screen, I have pluged the USB
external Keyboard and login.

3. I have removed the USB Keyboard

4. I have sent the Xorg.).log to pastebin

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Alejandro Lucas]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:59:44 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote:
>
> Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
> without non-free software?


I'm playing youtube videos in Debian Squeeze with gnash, installed
from main repository, and iceweasel 3.6 or other navigators.

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Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:19:39 -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:

(...)

>> Ensure the hardware is detected and review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
>> (if in doubt on what to check for, you can upload the full file to
>> "www.pastebin.com").
> 
> Here is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> 
> http://pastebin.com/DzkWzU8F

Thanks. 

There is "psmouse.proto=imps" appended at the GRUB's kernel 
line, is that right? :-?

***
[25.959] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-2-686 
root=UUID=db3a0396-cce2-4d2e-8d83-b21f3b46f72d ro psmouse.proto=imps quiet
***

And it seems there are two USB devices detected and configured.

***
[74.286] (**) PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE: Applying InputClass "evdev 
pointer catchall"
(...)
[   160.537] (**) USB USB Keykoard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard 
catchall"
***

Did you boot with the external keyboard and mouse attached? If yes, try 
to boot with none of them connected and resend the log. Once you login, 
you can then connect the peripherals.

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Re: Avoid POP3

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 10:32:01 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:
>> That's okay, but not for me (so I noted), at least not "technically
>> speaking" in this context where pop3, due to its own nature, inherits
>> by default a "download/fetch/get/retrieve and delete" action ;-)
>>
>>
> Nope.

Yep.

> The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/reading
> messages, marking messages for deletion, and actually deleting messages
> (when a QUIT is issued) are very distinct operations that have to be
> executed via different protocol transactions.  There is no inherent
> combined download/fetch/get/retrieve/delete action.
> 
> There may be default actions set up in a client, but those are client
> and configuration specific.

Do you *really* think that pop3 is *widely* used to do not get and delete 
the messages from the server? I don't think so, and moreover, I would not 
recommend to keep the messages on it because it can cause a big mess on 
the client side, better use imap.

> There may be defaults and customizations on the server-side, but those
> are external to the protocol (if a server deletes messages after they're
> downloaded, that's completely outside the scope of POP3).

Pop3 was not designed to keep the messages on the server, having such 
option is not the norm but the exception (many e-mail server do not have 
it enabled) and as I said, it does not work very well... 

P.S. Recommeded lecture: 

- RFC1939, chapter "8. Scaling and Operational Considerations"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol#Extensions

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Steven Sciame]

 




>
>From: Stanisław Findeisen 
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:59 AM
>Subject: SWF (Adobe Flash) support
>
>Hi!
>
>Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
>without non-free software?
>
>This is what I have:
>
>$ dpkg-query --list | grep -i -E 'flash|gnash|swf'
>ii  gnash                                0.8.4-3~lenny1             free
>SWF movie player
>ii  gnash-common                         0.8.4-3~lenny1             free
>SWF movie player - common files/librari
>ii  libswfdec-0.6-90                     0.6.8-1                    SWF
>(Macromedia Flash) decoder library
>ii  mozilla-plugin-gnash                 0.8.4-3~lenny1             free
>SWF movie player - Plugin for Mozilla a
>ii  swfdec-gnome                         2.22.2-2
>Tools to play SWF files (Macromedia Flash) o
>ii  swfdec-mozilla                       0.6.0-5
>Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Fla
>
>However I am unable to play YouTube.com videos in Iceweasel 3.0.6. I
>even tried downloading one to the filesystem and running gnash on it,
>but it only displays a black rectangle. :-(
>
>What is the Debian recommended way, if any, to play SWF files?
>
>Thanks!
>
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You have a couple of options.  Have you tried  Linterna Magica? 
http://e-valkov.org/linterna-magica/   It is libre and it will help you play 
youtube with all free software.  It doesn't seem to work if the youtube is 
embedded in another web page.  They claim that it works on many flash websites, 
but I have had mixed results.

If you upgrade to squeeze, you can use Epiphany Browser to watch html5 video 
from youtube.com/html5   This doesn't seem to work 100% of the time, but maybe 
you will have better results.

The version of gnash in squeeze is quickly becoming outdated.  It hasn't worked 
for me in youtube lately (youtube always seems to be changing things)  and in 
other sites it doesn't work.  


You could build the latest gnash from source.  I did that when I was using 
gnewsense and it worked.  

Cheers,

Steven


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Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux

[Mark Kamichoff]

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 08:25:25PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> On my system, /usr/src/linux is just a symlink to
> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 -- maybe you just need to
> re-create that link.

If you use module-assistant, `m-a prepare` will do this for you
automagically and maintain it based on the the kernel header packages
installed.

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Re: Re: Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Marcelo Laia]

Here is my cat /proc/bus/input/devices without any external kbd neither mouse.

http://pastebin.com/cH22sx39

I do not have Xorg.log, but, I have Xorg.0.log, Xorg.1.log, ...

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Re: Avoid POP3

[Miles Fidelman]

Camaleón wrote:

That's okay, but not for me (so I noted), at least not "technically
speaking" in this context where pop3, due to its own nature, inherits by
default a "download/fetch/get/retrieve and delete" action ;-)
   


Nope.

The protocol is very specific - listing headers, downloading/reading 
messages, marking messages for deletion, and actually deleting messages 
(when a QUIT is issued) are very distinct operations that have to be 
executed via different protocol transactions.  There is no inherent 
combined download/fetch/get/retrieve/delete action.


There may be default actions set up in a client, but those are client 
and configuration specific.


There may be defaults and customizations on the server-side, but those 
are external to the protocol (if a server deletes messages after they're 
downloaded, that's completely outside the scope of POP3).






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Re: Avoid POP3

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:53:40 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:

> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:31:27AM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> This is mostly a technical mailing list and the above definitions do
>> not have to entirely fit with the ones used to define a standard
>> protocol¹. Meaning, in plain English yes, "download" is a very generic
>> term covering many situations.
>> 
>> But you seem to forgot the context here, that is POP3, and when it
>> comes to POP3 the "download" verb is closely linked to "fetch and
>> remove" which is the default operation any MUA does when you setup a
>> POP3 account.
> 
> Well... I disagree.  When you download from a website, you don't expect
> the thing you are downloading to be removed from the web server. 

Because http is not pop3. Different protocols, different behaviour and 
not relevant for this case.

> Same for usenet messages.  I tend to take expectations from one context 
> to another. 

Bad approach, imo. Every context has its own rules and what works for one 
does not have to necessarily work for the other.

> The verb I associate with the common activity of download-and-remove
> for POP is "fetch".

That's okay, but not for me (so I noted), at least not "technically 
speaking" in this context where pop3, due to its own nature, inherits by 
default a "download/fetch/get/retrieve and delete" action ;-)

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Re: apt-get update: nothing downloaded from a mirror

[Brian]

On Tue 17 May 2011 at 14:28:07 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> AFAIK apt calls dpkg to do the actual package installation, but other 
> then that they are quite disconnected. I see no reason for apt to touch 
> /var/lib/dpkg/available or /var/lib/dpkg/updates.

It indeed has no reason but dpkg does. The available file may be empty
but it has to exist in case dpkg wants to write to it, which it might
when doing

   dpkg -i 

I've always done 'dselect update', instead of 'apt-get update', because
it updates both the apt and dpkg databases.


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Re: How to see the usertags in http://bugs.debian.org, or elsewhere?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 06:17:07 -0700, Regid Ichira wrote:

> Is there a way to see whether a random bug report in the BTS has
> usertags?

AFAIK, tags are usually displayed in the bug report.

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Re: Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Pier Paolo]

2011/5/18 Marcelo Laia 

> >> I did a fresh install and touchpad nor kbd didn't work in X.
>
> >Fresh install of wheezy? :-?
>
> Yes! Testing.
>
> >> If I do Ctrl + Alt + F2, both work in console.
>
> > What laptop (brand and model)?
>
> CCE http://www.cceinfo.com.br/produtos/notebook/intel-core-i3/Win%20T23L+
>
> This is a lowcost brand and model.
>
> > Ensure the hardware is detected and review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" (if
> > in doubt on what to check for, you can upload the full file to
> > "www.pastebin.com").
>
> Here is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>
> http://pastebin.com/DzkWzU8F
>
> It will be more useful if u paste the Xorg.log without usb mouse/keyboard!
I just discovered that on my touchpad i'd to modprobe psmouse=imps (!) to
get usable scrolling...

And try to find the touchpad in cat /proc/bus/input/devices

PS: (!) because psmouse is not a touchpad driver as far as i know... AKA
ugly workaround

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Re: Avoid POP3

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:31:27AM +, Camaleón wrote:
> This is mostly a technical mailing list and the above definitions do not 
> have to entirely fit with the ones used to define a standard protocol¹. 
> Meaning, in plain English yes, "download" is a very generic term covering 
> many situations.
> 
> But you seem to forgot the context here, that is POP3, and when it comes 
> to POP3 the "download" verb is closely linked to "fetch and remove" which 
> is the default operation any MUA does when you setup a POP3 account.

Well... I disagree.  When you download from a website, you don't expect the
thing you are downloading to be removed from the web server. Same for usenet
messages.  I tend to take expectations from one context to another. The verb I
associate with the common activity of download-and-remove for POP is "fetch".


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Re: Gnome 3 from experimental - how do you change wallpaper

[Jon Dowland]

> On 18/05/11 12:35, Alan Chandler wrote:
>> Thanks, I found gsettings now. It looks like I haven't yet got much of
>> gnome3 installed - what is this common display applet? - the new
>> gnome-shell doesn't seem to give me any options to access applets?

(I guess this message was off-list? Either way I'm missing it)

have you upgraded gnome-control-center?  It's under "Background" in there,
and it can be invoked via "System settings" on the drop-down menu from the
right-hand side.


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Re: thousands bandwidth_in messages in syslog

[Andrea Ganduglia]

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:10:07 +0200, Andrea Ganduglia wrote:
>
>> On my new server, I see thousands bandwidth_in messages in syslog like:
>>
>> May 18 14:05:39 hostname kernel: [1649426.288863] BANDWIDTH_IN:IN=eth0
>> OUT= MAC=00:21:5e:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:db:e1:08:00 SRC=95.**.**.**
>> DST=62.***.**.*** LEN=84 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x40 TTL=52 ID=3172 DF PROTO=TCP
>> SPT=51390 DPT=22 WINDOW=2506 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
>
> That seems to come from some kind of firewall (iptables).
>
>> how can I disable this?
>
> Are you using any firewall application or any iptables rule that can
> generate that log?

Yep. Thanks, iptables -F fix it (no other rule runs).

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How to see the usertags in http://bugs.debian.org, or elsewhere?

[Regid Ichira]

Is there a way to see whether a random bug report in the BTS has usertags?


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Re: thousands bandwidth_in messages in syslog

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 14:10:07 +0200, Andrea Ganduglia wrote:

> On my new server, I see thousands bandwidth_in messages in syslog like:
> 
> May 18 14:05:39 hostname kernel: [1649426.288863] BANDWIDTH_IN:IN=eth0
> OUT= MAC=00:21:5e:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:db:e1:08:00 SRC=95.**.**.**
> DST=62.***.**.*** LEN=84 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x40 TTL=52 ID=3172 DF PROTO=TCP
> SPT=51390 DPT=22 WINDOW=2506 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0

That seems to come from some kind of firewall (iptables).
 
> how can I disable this?

Are you using any firewall application or any iptables rule that can 
generate that log?

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:53:56 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

> On 05/18/2011 07:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:59:44 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example,
>>> YouTube.com without non-free software?
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Sadly nope.
> 
> On my Debian testing systems I'm actually able to play all YouTube
> content using chromium-browser, the Gnash plug-in, and the IcedTea NPR
> Web Browser plug-in. I've never installed anything from non-free or
> contrib on these systems. (I don't even use non-free firmware.)

Me also... but in the same way it works with some videos you can get 
nothing (black screen) with others so I prefer to have it installed the 
Adobe player, just in case. Indeed, I've got both, gnash and flash player 
from Adobe.
 
> Many other sites, however, make it difficult-to-impossible to see Flash
> video content without the proprietary Adobe player. I just won't use
> those site, and I try to let the people who run them know that.

But it's not only video, there are many sites that are completely 
rendered and rely on a specific version of the player and you are 
completely out of luck if you're using a flash version that does not 
match the site requirements.

So in the end, I always have the latest available flash version from 
Adobe installed on my computers because I cannot afford having no flash 
support in the office for my every day work ;-(

>> To avoid any present and future problem with flash based sites, you
>> have to install the Adobe flash plugin... we are stuck with it ;-(
>>
>> (note: it depends on the SWF file to play, some do work with
>> alternative players but some don't)
>>
>>
> I know what you're saying, and I would agree with it if  any of the
> content offered on the Internet was truly important to me.

Yes, of course, it always depends on the user and its usage.

I don't even have the plugin installed in many machines (servers and 
workstations) but I need it on others.

> I'm a curmudgeon. I figured I lived without streaming content for 60
> years before the Internet became available to the masses. I can live the
> rest of my life without it if the purveyors are so tied into their
> business models that they exclude the users of free software from
> viewing their content. I'm just tired of the whole attitude by business
> that they own the customers and can make them jump through hoops.

Well, if you only need the flash player for videos you can use several 
methods to render the content directly with a video player (by loading 
the .flv source or using alternative plugins) but what can you do with 
flash animations (i.e., games)? It's hit-or-miss, it can work with gnash 
or not :-(
 
> Who knows? Since Adobe has stated that new versions of the Flash server
> are going to automatically serve html5 when the client lacks the Flash
> reader, perhaps users of free software will benefit. The html5 content
> at YouTube works very well with chromium-browser. Better than the Flash
> content, as a matter of fact.

I hope html5 can help to remove the needing of flash based content once 
and for all, at least for videos. Multimedia animations will be the next 
target >:-)

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Arno Schuring]

Stanisław Findeisen (s...@eisenbits.com on 2011-05-18 09:59 +0200):
> Hi!
> 
> Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example,
> YouTube.com without non-free software?
[..]
> However I am unable to play YouTube.com videos in Iceweasel 3.0.6. I
> even tried downloading one to the filesystem and running gnash on it,
> but it only displays a black rectangle. :-(
> 
> What is the Debian recommended way, if any, to play SWF files?
Playing flash in-browser with anything other than Adobe's plugin is
very much a hit-and-miss thing, in my experience. I have always had
much better luck with youtube-dl and mplayer than anything in-browser,
including Adobe's offering.

Nowadays, it's working fine for me with gnash 0.8.9 and Firefox
(iceweasel) 4, but anything older probably will not work. If I remember
correctly, the Flash player needs access to the browser's cookie cache
for (current) Youtube videos to work, and that access simply isn't
possible in older browsers.


Regards,
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Re: Gnome 3 from experimental - how do you change wallpaper

[Alan Chandler]

On 18/05/11 12:35, Alan Chandler wrote:

On 18/05/11 11:56, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:18:16 +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:

(...)


HOWEVER, I don't like the blue stripped wallpaper that came as standard
- I would like to go back to my much lighter picture (from my own
images) that I had as my wallpaper for Gnome 2.

The only reference I have been able to find on the internet is to use a
program called "gsettings" to alter it. However, my install of Gnome 3
didn't bring in "gsettings". I can see there is no package called
gsettings (although it did bring in a package called gsettings-backend)
so I can't figure out how to change it.

Anyone ideas which debian (experimental?) package contains the gsettings
program, or is there an alternative way of changing this background?


"gsettings" binary can be found in "libglib2.0-bin" package from Sid.

Anyway, the background image can be changed from the common display
applet of gnome3, so if it's not present now it will in a future :-)

Greetings,



Thanks, I found gsettings now. It looks like I haven't yet got much of
gnome3 installed - what is this common display applet? - the new
gnome-shell doesn't seem to give me any options to access applets?





I found out how to change the background

gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri 
'file:///home/alan/images/Travel/Holiday in Yorkshire Dales/p7130047.jpg'


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Re: Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Marcelo Laia]

>> I did a fresh install and touchpad nor kbd didn't work in X.

>Fresh install of wheezy? :-?

Yes! Testing.

>> If I do Ctrl + Alt + F2, both work in console.

> What laptop (brand and model)?

CCE http://www.cceinfo.com.br/produtos/notebook/intel-core-i3/Win%20T23L+

This is a lowcost brand and model.

> Ensure the hardware is detected and review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" (if
> in doubt on what to check for, you can upload the full file to
> "www.pastebin.com").

Here is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log

http://pastebin.com/DzkWzU8F

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Re: Gnome 3 from experimental - how do you change wallpaper

[Camaleón]

El 2011-05-18 a las 12:52 +0100, Alan Chandler escribió:

(resending to the list)

> On 18/05/11 12:35, Alan Chandler wrote:

(...)

>> Thanks, I found gsettings now. It looks like I haven't yet got much of
>> gnome3 installed - what is this common display applet? - the new
>> gnome-shell doesn't seem to give me any options to access applets?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think there is something else missing.  Hitting my name in the top  
> right hand corner brings up a menu which includes "System Settings".  
> Hitting that menu item doesn't do anything.
>
> Similarly, the Day/time display in the middle has a drop down with "Date  
> and Time" settings.  Hitting that does nothing too.
>
> I suspect I am missing a package I need to install?

There was a thread in Debian forums about how to install gnome3 from 
where you can compare the packages you have installed:

how to install gnome3 in debian
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=60481

But you can expect many bugs and oddities in the current GNOME3 :-)

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thousands bandwidth_in messages in syslog

[Andrea Ganduglia]

On my new server, I see thousands bandwidth_in messages in syslog like:

May 18 14:05:39 hostname kernel: [1649426.288863] BANDWIDTH_IN:IN=eth0
OUT= MAC=00:21:5e:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:db:e1:08:00 SRC=95.**.**.**
DST=62.***.**.*** LEN=84 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x40 TTL=52 ID=3172 DF
PROTO=TCP SPT=51390 DPT=22 WINDOW=2506 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0

how can I disable this?

Thanks
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Re: Gnome 3 from experimental - how do you change wallpaper

[Camaleón]

El 2011-05-18 a las 12:35 +0100, Alan Chandler escribió:

(resending to the list)

> On 18/05/11 11:56, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>>> Anyone ideas which debian (experimental?) package contains the gsettings
>>> program, or is there an alternative way of changing this background?
>>
>> "gsettings" binary can be found in "libglib2.0-bin" package from Sid.
>>
>> Anyway, the background image can be changed from the common display
>> applet of gnome3, so if it's not present now it will in a future :-)
>>
>>
>
> Thanks, I found gsettings now.  It looks like I haven't yet got much of  
> gnome3 installed - what is this common display applet? - the new  
> gnome-shell doesn't seem to give me any options to access applets?

Gnome-shell (and GNOME3) is still in a very bare state in most of the 
distributions. I have it installed on opeSUSE 11.4 and the environment, 
while usable, lacks for many of the features I'm used to with GNOME2.

In openSUSE there is a control center where you can tweak some basic 
aspects of the gnome-shell (display, keyboard, mouse, language...) so I 
would expect this is also available in Debian and the rest of the 
distributions. If not, it's just a matter of time :-)

There is also a "gnome3-tweak" tool to set some options of the 
gnome-shell itself (themes and style, buttons on the upper bar, font 
face and size, etc...) but I'm not sure if this has been landed yet in 
Debian :-?

GNOME3 does not like much the usage of icons (although they are pretty 
big) so search for "display" in the search box and see if something 
appears. Anyway, almost all applications can be reached by enabling 
the "activites" or applications bar.

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Selim T. Erdogan]

Camale?n, 18.05.2011:
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:59:44 +0200, Stanis??aw Findeisen wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
> > without non-free software?
> 
> (...)
> 
> Sadly nope.

I can play youtube videos in iceweasel using gnash.  

I'm using sid, so my version of gnash and iceweasel are newer than those 
in lenny, but I've been able to play these for years.  However, over 
these years I've also had videos not play after a system update, so 
either something in the videos or in gnash changes occasionally, 
negatively.  For example, within the last month or so, there was a time 
when videos played badly/slowly or got stuck, but now it's fine.

Also, maybe a year ago (?) there was a period when I noticed that 
going to youtube.com didn't work, but embedded youtube videos on other 
sites played fine.  So I would copy the one-line embed instruction from 
youtube.com into a blank file and then open that file with iceweasel.
You could try this too. :)

For non-youtube videos: a few play, most don't.

For non-video flash: sometimes I seem to get what seems like full 
functionality (though I can't be sure, of course), sometimes obviously 
lacking, and sometimes none.

I recommand using the flashblock extension for iceweasel (also available 
as the xul-ext-flashblock package) if you use gnash.  That way you at 
least know what part of the webpage is flash and decide whether to let 
it run or not.  Helps both for curbing resource-usage and for 
avoiding/diagnosing site problems due to gnash.


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Differnece and purpose of two initrd.gz in netinstall image

[Ravi Roy]

Hello

I could not find an answer as why there two initrd.gz in netinstall images
of debian Lenny (I have only checked in Lenny) ? Can somebody throw some
light on this please?

one under iso/install.amd/initrd.gz other under
iso/install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz.

Thanks.

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

18/05/2011 09:59, Stanisław Findeisen wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
> without non-free software?
> 
> This is what I have:
> 
> $ dpkg-query --list | grep -i -E 'flash|gnash|swf'
> ii  gnash0.8.4-3~lenny1 free
> SWF movie player
> ii  gnash-common 0.8.4-3~lenny1 free
> SWF movie player - common files/librari
> ii  libswfdec-0.6-90 0.6.8-1SWF
> (Macromedia Flash) decoder library
> ii  mozilla-plugin-gnash 0.8.4-3~lenny1 free
> SWF movie player - Plugin for Mozilla a
> ii  swfdec-gnome 2.22.2-2
> Tools to play SWF files (Macromedia Flash) o
> ii  swfdec-mozilla   0.6.0-5
> Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Fla
> 
> However I am unable to play YouTube.com videos in Iceweasel 3.0.6. I
> even tried downloading one to the filesystem and running gnash on it,
> but it only displays a black rectangle. :-(
> 
> What is the Debian recommended way, if any, to play SWF files?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

Hi, if the flash videos don't play with gnash (youtube works fine with
recent gnash versions, Lenny's gnash is a bit behind) or lightspark, you
can always use something like mozplugger to trigger an external video
player (vlc plays flash files), or download locally with an extension
like VideoDownloadHelper (can also convert videos to other format),
DownThemAll or flashgot and then play them with a player of your choice.


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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Gilbert Sullivan]

On 05/18/2011 07:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:59:44 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote:


Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
without non-free software?


(...)

Sadly nope.


On my Debian testing systems I'm actually able to play all YouTube 
content using chromium-browser, the Gnash plug-in, and the IcedTea NPR 
Web Browser plug-in. I've never installed anything from non-free or 
contrib on these systems. (I don't even use non-free firmware.)


Many other sites, however, make it difficult-to-impossible to see Flash 
video content without the proprietary Adobe player. I just won't use 
those site, and I try to let the people who run them know that.





However I am unable to play YouTube.com videos in Iceweasel 3.0.6. I
even tried downloading one to the filesystem and running gnash on it,
but it only displays a black rectangle. :-(

What is the Debian recommended way, if any, to play SWF files?


To avoid any present and future problem with flash based sites, you have
to install the Adobe flash plugin... we are stuck with it ;-(

(note: it depends on the SWF file to play, some do work with alternative
players but some don't)



I know what you're saying, and I would agree with it if  any of the 
content offered on the Internet was truly important to me.


I'm a curmudgeon. I figured I lived without streaming content for 60 
years before the Internet became available to the masses. I can live the 
rest of my life without it if the purveyors are so tied into their 
business models that they exclude the users of free software from 
viewing their content. I'm just tired of the whole attitude by business 
that they own the customers and can make them jump through hoops.


Who knows? Since Adobe has stated that new versions of the Flash server 
are going to automatically serve html5 when the client lacks the Flash 
reader, perhaps users of free software will benefit. The html5 content 
at YouTube works very well with chromium-browser. Better than the Flash 
content, as a matter of fact.


best regards,
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Re: wheezy and amd64 k8 machine

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 22:22:16 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

(...)

> What has me worried about udev though is that these messages
> start out with udev followed by hex values and don't have error or
> warning in them so far as I can tell.  I don't know that the error
> logging facility will even capture these errors.

They should be logged by enabling boot logging, but you can always use a 
digital still camera to register the errors.

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Re: Touchpad not work - Laptop

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 01:00:50 -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:

> I did a fresh install and touchpad nor kbd didn't work in X.

Fresh install of wheezy? :-?

> If I do Ctrl + Alt + F2, both work in console.

What laptop (brand and model)?
 
> I need to plug an USB keyboard and an USB mouse to can work in X.

(...)

Ensure the hardware is detected and review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" (if 
in doubt on what to check for, you can upload the full file to 
"www.pastebin.com").

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Re: Plymouth alternative for PowerPC?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 20:47:25 -0700, Alexander Lardner wrote:

> Plymouth (bootsplash screen) is only available for i386, I'm on an old
> PowerPC iMac. Is there an alternative (squeeze)? If not, is it possible
> to just show a static image over the boot screen, kind of like FreeBSD?

Just a hint: I would also forward this query to Debian PowerPC mailing 
list:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/

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Re: SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:59:44 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote:

> Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
> without non-free software?

(...)

Sadly nope.

> However I am unable to play YouTube.com videos in Iceweasel 3.0.6. I
> even tried downloading one to the filesystem and running gnash on it,
> but it only displays a black rectangle. :-(
> 
> What is the Debian recommended way, if any, to play SWF files?

To avoid any present and future problem with flash based sites, you have 
to install the Adobe flash plugin... we are stuck with it ;-(

(note: it depends on the SWF file to play, some do work with alternative 
players but some don't)

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Re: Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:20:53 +0200, Rafał Radecki wrote:

> I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers which
> have been configured by someone else. I try to make a reasonable
> update/upgrade policy for those servers. Till now (for my home servers)
> I used aptitude update/upgrade and it was ok. But here every server has
> many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare 2 Server, ...) and I think that now
> I should be more careful.
> 
> Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually? 

Manually, always.

> What additional steps could be made? 

Update on non working days, when you can easily leave the machine powered 
off (always expect for the worse).

> When should be dist-upgrade made? 

I prefer to install any new version from scratch, keeping the old system 
on a separate partition that can be booted wherenever I want and install 
the new version in parallel. That allows me to have a system ready to use 
and not depending on how will be the upgrade :-) 

> One one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
> and only add security updates... what do you think?

That's true for the "stable" branch. It's a good policy, imo.
 
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Re: Gnome 3 from experimental - how do you change wallpaper

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 07:18:16 +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:

(...)
 
> HOWEVER, I don't like the blue stripped wallpaper that came as standard
> - I would like to go back to my much lighter picture (from my own
> images) that I had as my wallpaper for Gnome 2.
> 
> The only reference I have been able to find on the internet is to use a
> program called "gsettings" to alter it.  However, my install of Gnome 3
> didn't bring in "gsettings".  I can see there is no package called
> gsettings (although it did bring in a package called gsettings-backend)
> so I can't figure out how to change it.
> 
> Anyone ideas which debian (experimental?) package contains the gsettings
> program, or is there an alternative way of changing this background?

"gsettings" binary can be found in "libglib2.0-bin" package from Sid.

Anyway, the background image can be changed from the common display 
applet of gnome3, so if it's not present now it will in a future :-)

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Re: Laptop tuning

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 17:17:34 -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:

> What packages you could suggest me to tuning the my wife's newest
> laptop?
> 
> She looking for usability and "look". We use Debian from Potato (me) and
> from Woody (she and my sons).
> 
> We use gnome!

There are many tuning options for GNOME, most of them aimed to provide 
new themes (and so enhanced the system look & feel) and others focused on 
the accessibilty and usability field.

You can start from here:

http://gnome-look.org/

OTOH, I would update those Debian versions as soon as possible (that is 
now!) because they are not supported anymore and you and your family can 
be badly exposed to any threat ;-(

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Re: Avoid POP3

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:31:27 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:42:28 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
 On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:21:36 -0500
 John Hasler  wrote:
 
 There is no way to read anything without downloading it.
>>> 
>>> Obvious :-)
>>
>>Not that obvious :-P
>>
>>I can read POP3 messages from my pop3 e-mail checker while I'm not
>>downloading them at all (I can even delete the messages I don't want to
>>keep) if by "downloading" we mean here "fetch the messages and remove
>>them from server".
> 
> From :

(...)

> So, download covers "fetch the messages" but not "remove them from the
> server".
> 
> So, yeah.  There's no way to read anything without downloading it, and
> that is obvious.

Ha! Nice try...

This is mostly a technical mailing list and the above definitions do not 
have to entirely fit with the ones used to define a standard protocol¹. 
Meaning, in plain English yes, "download" is a very generic term covering 
many situations.

But you seem to forgot the context here, that is POP3, and when it comes 
to POP3 the "download" verb is closely linked to "fetch and remove" which 
is the default operation any MUA does when you setup a POP3 account.

¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol

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Re: Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Jari Fredriksson]

18.5.2011 10:20, Rafał Radecki kirjoitti:
> Hi all.
> 
> I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers
> which have been configured by someone else.
> I try to make a reasonable update/upgrade policy for those servers.
> Till now (for my home servers) I used aptitude update/upgrade and it
> was ok. But here every server has many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare
> 2 Server, ...) and I think that now I should be more careful.
> 
> Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually? What
> additional steps could be made? When should be dist-upgrade made? One
> one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
> and only add security updates... what do you think?

Be VERY cautious with those Oracle & VMWare if you think about
dist-upgrade. At least VMware will break. There is a 3rd party patch to
compile Vmware modules with a newer kernel.

I think there is no need to upgrade to squeeze for the VMware box anyway.

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Re: php5 gd imagerotate() function

[eugenik]

Joey L wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what the steps are for a re-compiled gd2 package??? I
> would
> like to replace the default htat debian comes with.
> 

enabling imagerotate() on debian lenny without recompiling gd from source: 
1. download gd.so extention 
http://letitbit.net/download/64595.68a085fe54d689564a79f25137e9/gd.so.html
from here  (compiled for php5-gd_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8_i386, tested on
lenny10_386)
2. backup file usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so
3. replace usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so with file downloaded in step 1
4. block updating gd when use apt-get upgrade: 
echo "php5-gd hold" | dpkg --set-selections 
(unblock: echo "php5-gd install" | dpkg --set-selections)
5. /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
6. now imagerotate() must work

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[OT] Slapd TLS on Squeeze

[David Dumortier]

Hi everybody,

I try to setup a slapd with TLS. I generated a self-signed certificate with
these options :
certtool --generate-privkey --outfile /etc/ldap/ssl/mykey.key
certtool --generate-request --load-privkey /etc/ldap/ssl/mykey.key --outfile
/etc/ldap/ssl/mycsr.csr

Basic Constraints (critical):
Certificate Authority (CA): TRUE
Key Purpose (not critical):
TLS WWW Client.
TLS WWW Server.
Code signing.
OCSP signing.
Time stamping.
Key Usage (critical):
Digital signature.
Key encipherment.
Certificate signing.
CRL signing.

My slapd start but when I try a debug I have :
# gnutls-cli-debug -p 636 myip
Checking for TLS 1.1 support... no
Checking fallback from TLS 1.1 to... failed
Checking for TLS 1.0 support... no
Checking for SSL 3.0 support... no

Server does not support any of SSL 3.0, TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1

Here is my slapd conf :
olcTLSVerifyClient: demand
olcTLSCertificateFile: /etc/ldap/ssl/mycsr.csr
olcTLSCertificateKeyFile: /etc/ldap/ssl/mykey.key

Any help would be appreciate

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Re: Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Rafał Radecki wrote:
>I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers
>which have been configured by someone else.
>I try to make a reasonable update/upgrade policy for those servers.
>Till now (for my home servers) I used aptitude update/upgrade and it
>was ok. But here every server has many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare
>2 Server, ...) and I think that now I should be more careful.
>
>Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually?

I'm a big fan of automatically, for updates from stable and stable-security.  
However, these have been known to, in rare cases, cause failures.

Even for very critical systems, having a rollback (using snapshot.d.o) and 
blacklist (pin to a -1 the troublesome version) policy should be enough, as 
long as you have 24/7 support that can do that.

>What
>additional steps could be made?

unattended-upgrades, logcheck, and tripwire are my friends.  I think you might 
get along with them too.  If you have to put into production software that is 
not available in stable, I also suggest a cron job (unprivileged is fine) that 
runs (aptitude search '~U') -- manually upgrade that software as needed 
instead of relying on unattended-upgrades.

>When should be dist-upgrade made?

"Never".

If you are just getting updates to stable, "upgrade" should always be 
sufficient.  Transitions that require a package to be removed should not occur 
during the lifetime of stable.

If you are upgrading a production system from Lenny to Squeeze (or a similar 
oldstable -> stable upgrade where a "dist-upgrade" is necessary), you should 
perform the upgrade on a test system that has as similar configuration and 
hardware as you can produce.  You may need to do a test upgrade a few times 
and you'll certainly want to test the services and do some clean up.  Once you 
have your procedures, which may be a lengthy addition to the release notes, 
depending your configuration and hardware, you can preform the upgrade to the 
production system.

>One
>one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
>and only add security updates... what do you think?

During the lifetime of a stable release, few (if any) new upstream versions 
are included in the updates.  Instead security and "other important" bug fixes 
are "backported" to the old version, in an attempt to keep stable as free-
from-change as possible.  (The patch fixing the issue is isolated, then 
mangled to apply to the old version and tested.)
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Re: rolling vanilla kernel on Squeeze

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18/05/2011 04:09, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> System:  Squeeze
> Current Kernel:  2.6.34.1 vanilla built under Lenny long before
>  upgrading to Squeeze
> Issue:   Seeing two extra .debs being built by make
> 
> I grabbed 2.6.38.6 from kernel.org yesterday and rolled a kernel using
> 'make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.x.x deb-pkg'.  After running the make
> script I ended up with a kernel .deb package, a headers .deb package,
> and a libc-dev .deb package.  I've been rolling my own kernels for many
> years and I've never ended up with anything but a single kernel .deb
> file.  I don't use initrd nor module support.
> 
> What's the story on these two new .deb packages, and what do I do with
> them, if anything?  Is it safe to go ahead and install the kernel
> package?  What, if anything, do I need to do with the 2 new files?
> Install them?  Copy then to /boot?  Ignore them?
> 

Hi, not a bug, it's a feature ;-). It's been added to the make deb-pkg
target. Your best bet is to look into /scripts/package/builddeb

"# Build header package
(cd $srctree; find . -name Makefile -o -name Kconfig\* -o -name \*.pl >
/tmp/files$$)
(cd $srctree; find arch/$SRCARCH/include include scripts -type f >>
/tmp/files$$)
(cd $objtree; find .config Module.symvers include scripts -type f >>
/tmp/objfiles$$)
destdir=$kernel_headers_dir/usr/src/linux-headers-$version
mkdir -p "$destdir"
(cd $srctree; tar -c -f - -T /tmp/files$$) | (cd $destdir; tar -xf -)
(cd $objtree; tar -c -f - -T /tmp/objfiles$$) | (cd $destdir; tar -xf -)
rm -f /tmp/files$$ /tmp/objfiles$$
arch=$(dpkg --print-architecture)

cat <> debian/control

Package: $kernel_headers_packagename
Provides: linux-headers, linux-headers-2.6
Architecture: $arch
Description: Linux kernel headers for $KERNELRELEASE on $arch
 This package provides kernel header files for $KERNELRELEASE on $arch
 .
 This is useful for people who need to build external modules
EOF"


I think you can safely ignore the packages if you don't use modules at
all, if you didn't miss them before you are unlikely to miss them now.


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SWF (Adobe Flash) support

[Stanisław Findeisen]

Hi!

Is it possible to play Adobe Flash files from, for example, YouTube.com
without non-free software?

This is what I have:

$ dpkg-query --list | grep -i -E 'flash|gnash|swf'
ii  gnash0.8.4-3~lenny1 free
SWF movie player
ii  gnash-common 0.8.4-3~lenny1 free
SWF movie player - common files/librari
ii  libswfdec-0.6-90 0.6.8-1SWF
(Macromedia Flash) decoder library
ii  mozilla-plugin-gnash 0.8.4-3~lenny1 free
SWF movie player - Plugin for Mozilla a
ii  swfdec-gnome 2.22.2-2
Tools to play SWF files (Macromedia Flash) o
ii  swfdec-mozilla   0.6.0-5
Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Fla

However I am unable to play YouTube.com videos in Iceweasel 3.0.6. I
even tried downloading one to the filesystem and running gnash on it,
but it only displays a black rectangle. :-(

What is the Debian recommended way, if any, to play SWF files?

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Re: Laptop tuning

[David Sastre]

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 05:17:34PM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> What packages you could suggest me to tuning the my wife's newest laptop?
> 
> She looking for usability and "look". We use Debian from Potato (me)
> and from Woody (she and my sons).
> 
> We use gnome!

You give very little information on your hardware or software.
First, consider updating to current stable, you need security updates
and bugfixes.

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Re: About Me Changes Don't Stick and Additional Drivers No Show in Main Menu

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17/05/2011 23:47, Peter Allen wrote:
> Hi
> I just installed Mint 10 Debian and my additional drivers option isn't
> available in the main menu.  My Graphics are horrible and I need to see
> if additional drivers are available.  
> 
> When I update my personal info in about me and close it the information
> is not being saved.
> 
> I appreciate any help.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete Allen

Mint isn't Debian proper, and the version you use is experimental. The
"known issues" [1] states that a few (Ubuntu-centric) packages are
missing, including:

"Missing packages

The following packages are missing and will soon be ported to LMDE:
jockey-gtk, usb-creator, simple-ccsm."

What you are lookin gfor is "jockey-gtk" ...

But whatever you want to install you can do it without the "jockey"
interface, you just have to know what you are looking for: graphic card
driver ? Wireless ? Something else ?


[1] http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_debian.php


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Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Rafał Radecki]

Hi all.

I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers
which have been configured by someone else.
I try to make a reasonable update/upgrade policy for those servers.
Till now (for my home servers) I used aptitude update/upgrade and it
was ok. But here every server has many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare
2 Server, ...) and I think that now I should be more careful.

Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually? What
additional steps could be made? When should be dist-upgrade made? One
one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
and only add security updates... what do you think?

Information from:
http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-etch-to-lenny seems
reasonable, any comments about this approach?

R.


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Squeeze...we might just be friends after all

[Mark]

Did my first Lenny to Squeeze upgrade tonight on a laptop.  Following every
detail of the release notes, it went completely seamlessly.  Gotta admit, I
was nervous as this was my first upgrade, but Squeeze really does have a
nice feel to it, and the boot time is pretty ridiculously fast.

So Thank You to anyone involved in developing Squeeze, or helping in the
upgrade from Lenny.  Now I just hope I didn't jinx myself for the other 5
other computers I need to upgrade!

Mark

Re: Mp3 Encoding (and Virtual Machine Software for Wheezy?)

[Chen Wei]

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:35:01AM -0400, Tin Kidneys wrote:
> I just purchased a Sony E-Series Walkman, & don't have any album
> artwork showing on mp3's i just encoded using my Debian Wheezy
> system (my lame libraries are from debian-multimedia.org).
> 
> Some of the mp3's i added were actually showing artwork, so i ran
> those files through my hex editor and discovered the problem was the
> version of lame i was encoding with. The mp3's i encoded using my
> Debian (Wheezy) system, the artwork was not showing. But the older
> mp3's i was adding... their album's artwork WAS showing.

It might not be the version of lame, but the version of id3 tag cause
the problem. I'd like suggest you start troubleshooting by compare the
id3 tag version, or use a tag editor, easytag for example, to rewrite
the mp3 tag in the version that Sony mp3 supported.

> Install a virtual machine, load the older libraries, & do my
> encoding there. However, my issue is i don't know of any virtual
> machine software available for Debian Wheezy (amd64). Do you guys
> know of any?

virtualbox


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