date:20110726

> lina   writes:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

[…]

 >> $ sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1 \2/' \
 >>  | sort -nk 3,3 -k1,1 \
 >>  | sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\s\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1\2/'

 > Thanks, but there is another problem here, about the first field,
 > which I wish it can be consequentially (mainly keep it present
 > sequential), Here is the list, a bit longer,

Somehow, I've had the -k options order reversed in the code
above.  It should've read: … | sort -n -k 1,1 -k 3,3 | …
instead.

Note that there we're sorting numerically on the first field,
too.  If that's undesirable, sort(1) is to be invoked twice,
like: … | sort -n -k 3,3 | sort -s -k 1,1 | ….

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Dom


On 27/07/11 02:57, Paul E Condon wrote:

On 20110726_190017, Dom wrote:


The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
(and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to
install a number of test systems recently.


I'd like to try this. Can you give some details of what you did?
1. How did you partition the hard disk?
2. Did you put a file system on the partition?  I'm thinking of
using a 100G hard disk that I already have and I'd like to save
most of it for general backup of system files. Can I do this?
Does putting a partition table on it help save some the left
over space?

3. What did you us to write the image? dd ? something else?


I simply used  "dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX". The image contains a 
partition table and everything.



4. Is there something else that I should be asking about?


Not that I'm aware of. Just install as normal. Have fun :-)

As some of my test systems are very low on memory (32MB), and can't be 
upgraded, I created a swap partition on the rest of the disk, used 
Expert mode and activated swap as soon as I could in order to complete 
the installation. This shouldn't be necessary on a more modern system.


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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread Greg Madden



On Tuesday 26 July 2011 06:15:16 pm Bob Proulx wrote:
> Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> > What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.
>
> I like running Stable machines.  But web browsers need to keep
> current.  It would be great if they were in squeeze-updates, aka the
> old volatile.  So instead I run a Sid chroot and install Firefox and
> Chromium there and run them out of the chroot.  It is a little more
> work to set up.  I create the chroot with deboostrap and then install
> everything needed.  And it uses a significant amount of disk space.
> But it works very well for me to keep my desktop Stable but have the
> latest web browsers from Unstable Sid.
>
> Bob

+1 if one has the hardware vm's offer any combo of os's/apps one could want. I 
use 
Virtualbox and run several vm's over multiple monitors, even a Windows NT4, but 
Debian stable is the host with the  most :-)

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Re: which command I should use to output sequentially,

2011-07-26 Thread lina

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Ivan Shmakov  wrote:
>> lina   writes:
>
>        First of all, a kindly reminder: there's a news:comp.unix.shell
>        newsgroup (also available via Google Groups [1], though a proper
>        newsreader software is recommended), with a few truly
>        knowledgeable folks among the subscribers, which such questions
>        should've been pointed to.
>
> [1] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.shell/
>
> […]
>
>  > I just remember the sort command, but I still don't know how to get
>  > the ideal one,
>
>  > after I tried the sort -n -k2 , something changed on field 2 but it's
>  > still a bit away from the one I need.
>
>        Unfortunately, the numeric (-n) sort cannot be performed over
>        the field that contains numbers prefixed with arbitrary strings.
>        Therefore, it's necessary to split such a field into the
>        separate prefix and number parts, like (assuming GNU Sed):
>
> $ sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1 \2/'
>  238CHO   C10 3617   1.697   5.334   9.317
>  238CHO   C11 3624   1.665   5.468   9.092
> ^D
>  238CHO   C 10 3617   1.697   5.334   9.317
>  238CHO   C 11 3624   1.665   5.468   9.092
> $
>
>        Then, the output may be sorted on the now-third column, and the
>        extra space removed.  Thus:
>
> $ sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1 \2/' \
>      | sort -nk 3,3 -k1,1 \
>      | sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\s\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1\2/'
>
> […]

Thanks, but there is another problem here, about the first field,

which I wish it can be consequentially (mainly keep it present sequential),
Here is the list, a bit longer,


  237CHOL   H29 3583   3.341   1.693   9.809
  237CHOL   O28 3584   3.416   1.677   9.744
  237CHOLC3 3585   3.383   1.746   9.624
  237CHOLC4 3586   3.266   1.686   9.544
  237CHOLC5 3587   3.251   1.760   9.411
  237CHOL   C10 3588   3.373   1.749   9.320
  237CHOLC1 3589   3.483   1.814   9.404
  237CHOLC2 3590   3.511   1.748   9.540
  237CHOLC6 3591   3.135   1.819   9.381
  237CHOLC7 3592   3.112   1.886   9.245
  237CHOLC8 3593   3.216   1.831   9.148
  237CHOLC9 3594   3.364   1.825   9.187
  237CHOL   C11 3595   3.450   1.764   9.077
  237CHOL   C12 3596   3.432   1.853   8.954
  237CHOL   C13 3597   3.287   1.843   8.907
  237CHOL   C14 3598   3.201   1.907   9.017
  237CHOL   C15 3599   3.063   1.908   8.953
  237CHOL   C16 3600   3.085   1.906   8.803
  237CHOL   C17 3601   3.235   1.912   8.782
  237CHOL   C19 3602   3.380   1.597   9.303
  237CHOL   C18 3603   3.247   1.695   8.905
  237CHOL   C20 3604   3.293   1.855   8.652
  237CHOL   C21 3605   3.438   1.900   8.642
  237CHOL   C22 3606   3.216   1.907   8.530
  237CHOL   C23 3607   3.244   1.802   8.423
  237CHOL   C24 3608   3.141   1.831   8.313
  237CHOL   C25 3609   3.207   1.836   8.175
  237CHOL   C26 3610   3.107   1.805   8.064
  237CHOL   C27 3611   3.247   1.982   8.150
  238CHOL   H29 3612   1.573   5.345   9.781
  238CHOL   O28 3613   1.640   5.282   9.743
  238CHOLC3 3614   1.609   5.284   9.603
  238CHOLC4 3615   1.702   5.187   9.529
  238CHOLC5 3616   1.689   5.193   9.376
  238CHOL   C10 3617   1.697   5.334   9.317
  238CHOLC1 3618   1.598   5.425   9.390
  238CHOLC2 3619   1.623   5.423   9.541
  238CHOLC6 3620   1.693   5.077   9.310
  238CHOLC7 3621   1.697   5.086   9.157
  238CHOLC8 3622   1.741   5.222   9.102
  238CHOLC9 3623   1.663   5.336   9.168
  238CHOL   C11 3624   1.665   5.468   9.092
  238CHOL   C12 3625   1.638   5.452   8.942
  238CHOL   C13 3626   1.734   5.354   8.874
  238CHOL   C14 3627   1.709   5.225   8.952
  238CHOL   C15 3628   1.784   5.122   8.869
  238CHOL   C16 3629   1.739   5.167   8.731
  238CHOL   C17 3630   1.696   5.313   8.733
  238CHOL   C19 3631   1.839   5.384   9.345
  238CHOL   C18 3632   1.878   5.403   8.892
  238CHOL   C20 3633   1.764   5.397   8.625
  238CHOL   C21 3634   1.739   5.546   8.648
  238CHOL   C22 3635   1.747   5.342   8.484
  238CHOL   C23 3636   1.855   5.386   8.384
  238CHOL   C24 3637   1.808   5.343   8.245
  238CHOL   C25 3638   1.906   5.379   8.134
  238CHOL   C26 3639   1.851   5.324   8.002
  238CHOL   C27 3640   1.940   5.528   8.123

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Re: which command I should use to output sequentially,

> lina   writes:

First of all, a kindly reminder: there's a news:comp.unix.shell
newsgroup (also available via Google Groups [1], though a proper
newsreader software is recommended), with a few truly
knowledgeable folks among the subscribers, which such questions
should've been pointed to.

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.shell/

[…]

 > I just remember the sort command, but I still don't know how to get
 > the ideal one,

 > after I tried the sort -n -k2 , something changed on field 2 but it's
 > still a bit away from the one I need.

Unfortunately, the numeric (-n) sort cannot be performed over
the field that contains numbers prefixed with arbitrary strings.
Therefore, it's necessary to split such a field into the
separate prefix and number parts, like (assuming GNU Sed):

$ sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1 \2/' 
 238CHO   C10 3617   1.697   5.334   9.317
 238CHO   C11 3624   1.665   5.468   9.092
^D
 238CHO   C 10 3617   1.697   5.334   9.317
 238CHO   C 11 3624   1.665   5.468   9.092
$ 

Then, the output may be sorted on the now-third column, and the
extra space removed.  Thus:

$ sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1 \2/' \
  | sort -nk 3,3 -k1,1 \
  | sed -e 's/^\(\s*\w\+\s\+[^0-9[:blank:]]\+\)\s\([[:digit:]]\+\)/\1\2/' 

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Re: which command I should use to output sequentially,

2011-07-26 Thread lina

I just remember the sort command, but I still don't know how to get
the ideal one,

after I tried the  sort -n -k2 ,
something changed on field 2 but it's still a bit away from the one I need.

I attached the text,

Thanks,

  238CHO   C10 3617   1.697   5.334   9.317
  238CHO   C11 3624   1.665   5.468   9.092
  238CHO   C12 3625   1.638   5.452   8.942
  238CHO   C13 3626   1.734   5.354   8.874
  238CHOC1 3618   1.598   5.425   9.390
  238CHO   C14 3627   1.709   5.225   8.952
  238CHO   C15 3628   1.784   5.122   8.869
  238CHO   C16 3629   1.739   5.167   8.731
  238CHO   C17 3630   1.696   5.313   8.733
  238CHO   C18 3632   1.878   5.403   8.892
  238CHO   C19 3631   1.839   5.384   9.345
  238CHO   C20 3633   1.764   5.397   8.625
  238CHO   C21 3634   1.739   5.546   8.648
  238CHO   C22 3635   1.747   5.342   8.484
  238CHO   C23 3636   1.855   5.386   8.384
  238CHOC2 3619   1.623   5.423   9.541
  238CHO   C24 3637   1.808   5.343   8.245
  238CHO   C25 3638   1.906   5.379   8.134
  238CHO   C26 3639   1.851   5.324   8.002
  238CHO   C27 3640   1.940   5.528   8.123
  238CHOC3 3614   1.609   5.284   9.603
  238CHOC4 3615   1.702   5.187   9.529
  238CHOC5 3616   1.689   5.193   9.376
  238CHOC6 3620   1.693   5.077   9.310
  238CHOC7 3621   1.697   5.086   9.157
  238CHOC8 3622   1.741   5.222   9.102
  238CHOC9 3623   1.663   5.336   9.168
  238CHO   H29 3612   1.573   5.345   9.781
  238CHO   O28 3613   1.640   5.282   9.743

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:52 PM, lina  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For something like
>
> 1a  O28
> 1a  H29
> 1a     C1
> 1a     C3
> 1a     C8
> 1a     C2
> 
>
> 2a  O28
> 2a  H29
> 2a     C1
> 2a     C3
> 2a     C8
> 2a     C2
>
>
> How can I make the output for the field 2 from C1, C2, C3... O28, H29?
>
> but still keep the first field as 1a 2a 3a ...
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
>
>
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>
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Re: disable fbcon in Debian Wheezy (Live)?

> Camaleón   writes:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:23:47 +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> Camaleón  writes:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:23:54 +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

[…]

  Otherwise, fbcon works pretty much correctly for the case in
  question.  As per lsmod, the driver is i915.

 >>> Intel KMS requires fbcon, unless this has changed recently... and
 >>> for Intel cards KMS is also mandatory, so I dunno what to suggest
 >>> :-)

 >> What do you mean by “mandatory”?  I've ran the system without both
 >> the i915 module and fbcon, and had no problems with that setup so
 >> far.  In particular, X works correctly.

 > I remember a problem with intel driver

The kernel's, or the X.org's one?

 > and fbcon not being loaded that caused X to crash, but maybe this has
 > already been corrected.

To state it explicitly: I haven't tested X with kernel's i915
and without fbcon — only X without /either/ of i915 and fbcon.

I hope to check whether the respective kernel modules can be
“blacklisted” via modprobe.conf(5) shortly.

--cut: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist --
# This file lists modules which will not be loaded as the result of
# alias expansion, with the purpose of preventing the hotplug subsystem
# to load them. It does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel.
# This file is provided by the udev package.
--cut: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist --

(But I still wonder, is this the hotplug subsystem that loads
the modules in question, or is it the kernel?)

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which command I should use to output sequentially,

2011-07-26 Thread lina

Hi,

For something like

1a  O28
1a  H29
1a C1
1a C3
1a C8
1a C2


2a  O28
2a  H29
2a C1
2a C3
2a C8
2a C2


How can I make the output for the field 2 from C1, C2, C3... O28, H29?

but still keep the first field as 1a 2a 3a ...

Thanks for any suggestions,


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Re: sound problem with lenny

> Long Wind  writes:

[…]

 > I have made some progress If sound doesn't work commands below can
 > config sound:

 > rmmod snd-pcsp
 > rmmod snd-sb16
 > modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0

Is there a line like the following somewhere in
/etc/modprobe.d/?

options snd-sb16 isapnp=0

 > What's wrong with lenny?

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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread Charles Kroeger

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011Bob Proulx  wrote:

 to keep my desktop Stable but have the
> latest web browsers from Unstable Sid.
> 
> Bob


You could put this in your sources.list:

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ unstable non-free

deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ testing non-free

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free

latest web browsers included.

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what is the difference between "/usr/bin/X" and "/usr/bin/Xorg"?

2011-07-26 Thread jiang lei

hi all:

is there any difference between "/usr/bin/X" and "/usr/bin/Xorg"? On my
debian box, /usr/bin/X is not symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg, and i can start X
server with /usr/bin/X but fail with /usr/bin/Xorg? i google it but find
nothing, could any one here help me? thanks in advance.

cryptdisks runlevel configuration for lvm2 + encrypted swap file

2011-07-26 Thread Jimmy Wu

Dear List,

I have an encrypted swap file located inside /var, which is on a 
separate LVM2 logical volume from /, but it does not get mounted on 
boot.  Everything I've been able to find either implies my setup should 
work or is geared toward swap partitions, not swap files.  I even put 
aside my reservations about messing with the links in rc.d, (tried 
starting cryptdisks in runlevels 2-5 and other things as well) but since 
it didn't work so I restored everything back to the default before I 
broke anything, and came here to ask for help/advice instead.

I've copied the following relevant info below:
/etc/crypttab contents
relevant /etc/fstab entries
relevant rc?.d symlinks

My system is Squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64 
Running invoke-rc.d cryptdisks start && swapon -a after boot works.
During the boot process I can see messages on the console that show
"Starting early crypto disks" succeeds, but "Starting remaining crypto 
disks" failed.

I'd appreciate any pointers as to what I am doing wrong or how I can 
better troubleshoot the problem.

Thanks,

Jimmy

/etc/crypttab:
| #   
| cryptswap1 /var/swap/swap-01 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256

/etc/fstab:
| /dev/mapper/vg0--squeeze-lv0--root /   ext4
relatime,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0   1
| /dev/mapper/vg0--squeeze-lv1--var /varext4relatime,user_xattr 
0   2
| /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0

ls /etc/rc?.d/*cryptdisks
| /etc/rc0.d/K10cryptdisks
| /etc/rc6.d/K10cryptdisks
| /etc/rcS.d/S10cryptdisks

ls /etc/rc?.d/*cryptdisks-early
| /etc/rc0.d/K12cryptdisks-early
| /etc/rc6.d/K12cryptdisks-early
| /etc/rcS.d/S08cryptdisks-early

ls /etc/rc?.d/lvm*
| /etc/rc0.d/K11lvm2
| /etc/rc6.d/K11lvm2
| /etc/rcS.d/S09lvm2


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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius

on 16:35 Tue 26 Jul, Greg Madden (gomadtr...@gci.net) wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 26 July 2011 04:05:47 pm Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> > I've recently been made aware of some of the benefits of the Chrome /
> > Chromium and Firefox.
> >
> > Running Squeeze, the most recent Chromium release is from May 13, and
> > Firefox 5 isn't available either.
> >
> > I'd like to manage either / both from my package repos, but be
> > reasonably current.
> >
> > What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks.
> 
> Not sure about best practices, I like staying with stable and will use
> Debian backports.  No longer a proponent of apt pinning sid & testing,
> or other repo's.

Yeah, I've done this in the past, but my experience, especially on
laptops, is that a good configuration is a fragile thing.  Fortunately I
stick with older window managers, but my experiences with GNOME and KDE
changing out from under me have been particularly traumatic.
 
> Iceweasel (Firefox) 5.x entered Sid recently.  I think once it migrates to 
> testing, it will be a candidate for squeeze-backports.

I actually am pinning stable right now with unstable sources available.
My experience going down that route though is that it's a short trip to
frustration.
 
> I have squeeze-backports added to my sources.list &
> /etc/apt/preferences files.

I'll try that first.

Thanks.

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Re: Debian 7 'Wheezy' to introduce multiarch support

T Elcor wrote:
> Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> > I have a very naive question regarding the "multiarch"
> > transition:
> > will the upgrade of Debian box from Squeeze to Wheezy be
> > messy ? or as smooth as previous upgrades ?
> 
> In my case, the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy was rather
> straightforward and no more difficult than previous upgrades.

I am tracking Sid on a machine with daily upgrades and the transition
happened so smoothly it was without any perceptable difference.

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Re: Debian 7 'Wheezy' to introduce multiarch support

2011-07-26 Thread T Elcor

--- On Tue, 7/26/11, Jerome BENOIT  wrote:

> I have a very naive question regarding the "multiarch"
> transition:
> will the upgrade of Debian box from Squeeze to Wheezy be
> messy ? or as smooth as previous upgrades ?

In my case, the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy was rather straightforward and 
no more difficult than previous upgrades.


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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.

I like running Stable machines.  But web browsers need to keep
current.  It would be great if they were in squeeze-updates, aka the
old volatile.  So instead I run a Sid chroot and install Firefox and
Chromium there and run them out of the chroot.  It is a little more
work to set up.  I create the chroot with deboostrap and then install
everything needed.  And it uses a significant amount of disk space.
But it works very well for me to keep my desktop Stable but have the
latest web browsers from Unstable Sid.

Bob


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Re: debian sensible browser help

Robert Holtzman wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > AFAIK it is still true that unless you have taken special measures
> > (e.g. ~/.xsession) then the .bashrc environment will not be present to
> > the GNOME desktop.
> 
> It sure seems to be present out of the box on mine (Lenny and Squeeze). 
> In addition to the browser export setting, I source my .bash_aliases
> file from it.

It definitely is not on mine.  Not on Lenny, Squeeze, nor Sid.  I just
double checked by doing the tests.  Variable settings in .bashrc are
not available to GNOME.

> > Therefore while setting BROWSER in .bashrc will work for
> > invocations of sensible-browser from the command line it won't
> > have any effect for when GNOME is launched.
> 
> Gnome has to be launched manually? Not my experience. On my distros it
> launches at boot. What distros are you basing your statement on? Or am I
> completely misunderstanding your post?

I didn't say anything about launching GNOME manually.  Not sure where
you read that from.  Although you certainly can do so through xinit or
startx and many do use those to start up X manually.

What I said was that setting shell variables in .bashrc won't normally
have any presence to applications launched by GNOME.  GNOME is
normally started by gdm, as you so noted.  That doesn't come through
either .bash_profile or .bashrc and so variables set there won't be in
effect.

So let's say you have GNOME preferences configured so that the web
browser will be sensible-browser.  In that case it won't get the
BROWSER variable setting in .bashrc and then won't launch the desired
browser.

> > Instead for GNOME
> > it appears in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc that you
> > need to put settings into ~/.gnomerc instead.  I mention this because
> > Paul said he was running GNOME.  Users running other session managers
> > would be better served to use ~/.xsession.
> > 
> > Probably best to have the .gnomerc simply dot source (with '.' not
> > 'source', Xsession is a /bin/sh script not a /bin/bash script) the
> > .bashrc file so that you get the same environment both places.

I think it is actually better to do the variable setting through
~/.xsession.  It certainly isn't an obvious solution though.  In any
case it has been discussed to death on the mailing list previously so
I will avoid it again here.  The 55gnome-session_gnomerc seems to want
those in a ~/.gnomerc file.

Bob

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Paul E Condon

On 20110726_190017, Dom wrote:
> On 26/07/11 18:38, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> >>for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
> >>
> >>could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian
> >>from?
> >>
> (snip)
> >
> >Wow, I just spent the last five minutes laughing.  Even though I don't
> >feel this is the most productive way to ask for assistance, I must
> >confess to being able to relate to it due to having felt similar
> >frustration in the past.
> >
> >In trying myself to find an answer to how to get an iso for a
> >usb-stick, I found it was a bit of a maze.  From many of the links on
> >the issue, I was led to this:
> >http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
> >
> (snip)
> >
> >Anyway, seems confusing to me, too.  Given that some usb-sticks can
> >store even more material than a dvd, and given that usb-sticks are
> >commonly the only removable drives on a lot of computer devices today
> >(IE, laptops), why the links for installing Debian group usb-sticks as
> >"other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)", rather than having a
> >specific entry for it as they do for cdrom, dvd, and even blu-ray, is a
> >mystery.
> >
> >So, can the netinst-cdrom image be used with a usb-stick?  And if so,
> >why the different listing for usb-sticks?  And if not, why not?
> 
> I don't know why the different listings exist. Maybe this part of the
> Debian site could do with a partial rewrite.
> 
> The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
> (and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to
> install a number of test systems recently.
> 
I'd like to try this. Can you give some details of what you did?
1. How did you partition the hard disk? 
2. Did you put a file system on the partition?  I'm thinking of
using a 100G hard disk that I already have and I'd like to save
most of it for general backup of system files. Can I do this?
Does putting a partition table on it help save some the left
over space?

3. What did you us to write the image? dd ? something else?

4. Is there something else that I should be asking about?

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Re: SATA resetting, WTF ?!

2011-07-26 Thread briand

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 01:04:55 +0200
Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:31:24 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote in message 
> <20110726073124.7b87d...@windy.deldotd.com>:
> 
> > On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:10:30 +0200
> > Stanisław Findeisen  wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting !  It only did this for about 10 min. and then stopped.
> 
> ..bad disk?  Happens...
> 

doubt it.  hasn't happened since I first found the problem - almost 2 days.

looking through old kernel bug reports this program has reared it's ugly head 
more than once.

one person reported that it was reproducible when playing video.

I am almost certain that it was coincident with a web page I had up, just not 
sure which one..

probably flash related being that flash is evil.

Brian

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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Rob Hurle

> After I made a post, I phoned Samsung support, just out of curiosity.
> As normal, I faced up a girl from the 1st line support. Yes, she was not
> an engineer. But she firmly new what Linux is, she was well aware of the
> existence of different distributions, their versions, and the difference
> between 32/64 bit environments. She even was able to locate for me
> another printer that officially states Debian 6.01 supported. Though it
> was in no use for me.

Very encouraging.  Not everyone's like this.  I have a Canon and their
support is not good.  Their web site boasts drivers for Linux
(including .deb files) but by following their instructions the printer
is not installed into CUPS and gives an error message (can't remember
what it is).  The Canon support people looked at the problem and the
final response was that "Canon printers are not supported on Linux".
However, there is one guy who has persevered with this and has a
script that will install Canon printers on Debian:

http://radu.cotescu.com/how-to-install-canon-lbp-printers-in-ubuntu/

(Thank you Radu!).  I have verified this for, at least, a Canon
LBP7200C on Debian Lenny and Squeeze.

>> I've had an HP LaserJet p1102w for almost two years now. I've used it
>> with Lenny, then Squeeze, and now Wheezy with no problems. Even the
>> wireless printing works. No duplexing, unless you count manual :) IMHO,
>> HP has the best support for Linux when it comes to printers
>> (http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html)
>
> I currently have All-in-One HP OfficeJet 6310. It is my first HP
> printer and probably the last one. I do not like neither the company nor
> their printers. They capitalize on their former reputation for quality.
> But the reality is, their printers today are flimsy, of low specs, and
> over priced, as well as over priced is their supply line. Lately HP seems
> to be mostly concerned of how to prevent their customers to use third
> party supplies. In this they did achieve real heights.

Agreed about HP.  Once upon a time, their engineering and support was
first-rate, but the modern printers don't match up - there's a lot
better out there.  I had a HP2605dn (colour laser) and only the most
expensive HP toner cartridges worked in it, and they invariably left
around 10% of the toner in the cartridge at failure point.  The design
of the printer is such that dust falls on to the mirrors in the
(Canon!) printing engine and the whole thing has to be dismantled to
clean them - a half-day job for the experienced.  Never again HP!

Cheers,
Rob Hurle

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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Juan R. de Silva

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:13:34 -0400, Michael Checca wrote:

> Again, Brother support is horrible. I wouldn't expect them to be
> engineers, but to at least have heard of Linux and know that is a kernel
> not an OS :)

After I made a post, I phoned Samsung support, just out of curiosity.  
As normal, I faced up a girl from the 1st line support. Yes, she was not 
an engineer. But she firmly new what Linux is, she was well aware of the 
existence of different distributions, their versions, and the difference 
between 32/64 bit environments. She even was able to locate for me 
another printer that officially states Debian 6.01 supported. Though it 
was in no use for me.

The difference between Brother and Samsung customer support was 
impressive even on this level. I might be wrong, but after such 
experience I would expect to find the same difference on the upper as 
well.

Shame on Brother. I guess this takes their puppy out of my list. Not that 
I really needed their support (except drivers) or counted on it. But I 
get suspicious about quality of the printer itself now. This is how it 
works. :-)

> I've had an HP LaserJet p1102w for almost two years now. I've used it
> with Lenny, then Squeeze, and now Wheezy with no problems. Even the
> wireless printing works. No duplexing, unless you count manual :) IMHO,
> HP has the best support for Linux when it comes to printers
> (http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html)

I currently have All-in-One HP OfficeJet 6310. It is my first HP 
printer and probably the last one. I do not like neither the company nor 
their printers. They capitalize on their former reputation for quality. 
But the reality is, their printers today are flimsy, of low specs, and 
over priced, as well as over priced is their supply line. Lately HP seems 
to be mostly concerned of how to prevent their customers to use third 
party supplies. In this they did achieve real heights.

I mostly agree that support for Linux is probably the best due to efforts 
of HPLIP project folks (or it is just one guy?). The driver is very good. 
I print, scan, and fax without any problem. And it has quite nice GUI 
interface too.

Except one thing - manual duplex. The way it makes it is still 
incomprehensible for me. It's not enough that I have to turn manually the 
entire stack in a certain direction, but at the first print out it turns 
each even page in the direction opposite to each odd page. Thus I have 
first to go through the entire stack and turn evens and odds at one 
direction and only after this I turn the entire stack as suggested. Boy, 
I'm even having hard time to describe it now.

I reported it as a bug and never since heard from them, as well as never 
since I tried to use manual duplex with my printer.

Thanks for your suggestions.

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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread Greg Madden

On Tuesday 26 July 2011 04:05:47 pm Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> I've recently been made aware of some of the benefits of the Chrome /
> Chromium and Firefox.
>
> Running Squeeze, the most recent Chromium release is from May 13, and
> Firefox 5 isn't available either.
>
> I'd like to manage either / both from my package repos, but be
> reasonably current.
>
> What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.
>
> Thanks.

Not sure about best practices, I like staying with stable and will use Debian 
backports.  No longer a proponent of apt pinning sid & testing, or other repo's.

Iceweasel (Firefox) 5.x entered Sid recently.  I think once it migrates to 
testing, it will be a candidate for squeeze-backports.

I have squeeze-backports added to my sources.list & /etc/apt/preferences files.

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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread ZykoticK9


On 26/07/11 08:05 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:

I've recently been made aware of some of the benefits of the Chrome /
Chromium and Firefox.

Running Squeeze, the most recent Chromium release is from May 13, and
Firefox 5 isn't available either.

I'd like to manage either / both from my package repos, but be
reasonably current.

What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.

Thanks.



If you'd like a current version of Iceweasel see http://mozilla.debian.net/

Version current = 5

Good luck,
George


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Re: Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Checca

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:05:47 -0400, Dr. Ed Morbius   
wrote:



I've recently been made aware of some of the benefits of the Chrome /
Chromium and Firefox.

Running Squeeze, the most recent Chromium release is from May 13, and
Firefox 5 isn't available either.

I'd like to manage either / both from my package repos, but be
reasonably current.

What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.

Thanks.


Never used Chrome, but found this:  
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1351541
As for Firefox, I've always just downloaded the tarballs from here  
ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases, install them to /opt and make  
symlinks to /usr/local/bin
However, there is a PPA for Ubuntu builds of Firefox. I haven't used them,  
but I don't see why they wouldn't also work for Debian. Yes I understand  
it is not good practice, but it might make your life easier for upgrades.

Stable - https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam
Daily - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily

HTH,
Mike

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Best practices for current Chrome/Chromium and/or Firefox/Icewasel in squeeze?

2011-07-26 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius

I've recently been made aware of some of the benefits of the Chrome /
Chromium and Firefox.

Running Squeeze, the most recent Chromium release is from May 13, and
Firefox 5 isn't available either.

I'd like to manage either / both from my package repos, but be
reasonably current.

What's best practices?  Method or pointer to docs appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: SATA resetting, WTF ?!

2011-07-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:31:24 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote in message 
<20110726073124.7b87d...@windy.deldotd.com>:

> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:10:30 +0200
> Stanisław Findeisen  wrote:
> 
> Interesting !  It only did this for about 10 min. and then stopped.

..bad disk?  Happens...

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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Juan R. de Silva

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:04:08 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:52:20PM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
>> I'm looking to buy one of these B/W Laser printers:
>> 
>> Samsung ML-2855ND or Brother HL-2270DW.
>> 
>> I have no personal experience with printers of these manufacturers and
>> have no idea how good their drivers/support are.
> 
> Check them in the printer database which may be found here:
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting

Well, both of them listed as Perfectly Working, but submitted by user and 
not verified. The OS/distro and its version is not indicated. I've tried 
to use Download .ppd file link. It failed with "servers error" several 
times.

It wasn't much in help, I'd say.

> As a rule of thumb, I would advise against buying a printer which does
> not support native printing of PostScript, PDF or PCL.

Brother HL-2270DW - PCL6
Samsung ML-2855ND - PostScript3, PCL6, and PCL5e.

>  These are
> guaranteed to work, and work well, without the need for special
> vendor-specific drivers (you might need a PPD file to enable device-
> specific features like duplexing and the like, but that's it)

Samsung provides an executable installer but I read a .ppd file is 
burried 
deeply but can be extracted.

Brother I'm not sure, yet

> I've had good experiences with HP LaserJets

I cannot stand HP. :-( I just do not like neither company nor their 
printers.

> and currently have a Kyocera FS-C5025N which does native IPP to talk to 
> CUPS.

I'll look at it, if it would be available at my place. 

Thanks for sharing.



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Re: Debian 7 'Wheezy' to introduce multiarch support

2011-07-26 Thread Jerome BENOIT


Hello List:

I have a very naive question regarding the "multiarch" transition:
will the upgrade of Debian box from Squeeze to Wheezy be messy ? or as smooth 
as previous upgrades ?

Jerome  


On 26/07/11 13:04, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:

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Debian 7 'Wheezy' to introduce multiarch support

During this years annual Debian Conference DebConf11 made the
introduction of "multiarch support" a release goal for the coming
Debian release 7 "Wheezy" to be released in 2013. Multiarch is a
radical rethinking of the filesystem hierarchy with respect to library
and header paths, to make programs and libraries of different hardware
architectures easily installable in parallel on the very same system.

"Multiarch is a major enhancement to Debian's ability to deliver on
the promise of being a universal operating system" explains Steve
Langasek, driving force of the implementation, "not only will it make
crossbuilding easier, but also enables better support for legacy
32-bit applications on new 64-bit installations and in the future will
even allow live migrations from 32-bit to 64-bit systems."

People interested in the topic can watch the talk by Steve Langasek
"Multiarch in Debian: 6 months (or 6 years) on" today at 16:00 CEST
(14:00 UTC) by using the DebConf web frontend at
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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Checca


On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:52:20 -0400, Juan R. de Silva
 wrote:


I'm looking to buy one of these B/W Laser printers:

Samsung ML-2855ND or Brother HL-2270DW.

I have no personal experience with printers of these manufacturers and
have no idea how good their drivers/support are.

I've never used a Samsung printer, but their support for phones, hard
drives, and other electronics has been very good.
Brother support is horrible. Their products used to be good, but now
they're awful (just like Dell).


Brother have a driver for the above particular printer. But on their
"Evaluated Distributions" page lists only Debian 5.04 32 bit, while I'm
using Debian 6.02 64 bit.

As long as the kernel has dropped support for it, you should be okay.


It also lists Ubuntu 10.04 both 32 and 64 bit. This is fine but would it
work under the next release/s?

Same as above. Ubuntu, however, is much more user friendly in the sense
that it will download and install proprietary drivers as necessary. On my
Debian machine, I compile my own drivers for my unsuported hardware, not
hard at all if you don't mind searching the net for them.


The Brother customer rep shocked me by not being able even to pronounce
the word Linux, by not knowing what 32 bit is, and by asking at the end
of conversation:"How have you named your OS? Is it a special OS, what is
it?" This is exact quote.

Again, Brother support is horrible. I wouldn't expect them to be
engineers, but to at least have heard of Linux and know that is a kernel
not an OS :)


my priorities are:

- reliability of the driver in terms of its availability and OS support
after upgrade to the next OS version.
- reliability of the printer itself
- build-in duplex printing
- cost effectiveness
- I do not care much about wireless, but if it comes, it comes. :-)

If you can suggest any better printer that I've picked up, please, do.



I've had an HP LaserJet p1102w for almost two years now. I've used it with
Lenny, then Squeeze, and now Wheezy with no problems. Even the wireless
printing works. No duplexing, unless you count manual :) IMHO, HP has the
best support for Linux when it comes to printers
(http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html)

HTH,
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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Jerome BENOIT




On 26/07/11 23:04, Roger Leigh wrote:

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:52:20PM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

I'm looking to buy one of these B/W Laser printers:

Samsung ML-2855ND or Brother HL-2270DW.

I have no personal experience with printers of these manufacturers and
have no idea how good their drivers/support are.


Check them in the printer database which may be found here:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting

As a rule of thumb, I would advise against buying a printer which
does not support native printing of PostScript, PDF or PCL.  These
are guaranteed to work, and work well, without the need for special
vendor-specific drivers (you might need a PPD file to enable device-
specific features like duplexing and the like, but that's it).  If it
doesn't support one of the above languages, it's most likely a "raster"
device which requires the host to render the page image; this type of
printer has numerous issues, including in many cases the inability to
print a full page at high resolution and/or lose data due to timing
issues and lack of sufficient memory to buffer an entire page.

I've had good experiences with HP LaserJets and currently have a
Kyocera FS-C5025N which does native IPP to talk to CUPS.


I have a good experience with HP LaserJet P2055dn .
Reviews can be read on amazon.

hth,
Jerome



Regards,
Roger




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Re: help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Roger Leigh

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:52:20PM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> I'm looking to buy one of these B/W Laser printers:
> 
> Samsung ML-2855ND or Brother HL-2270DW.
> 
> I have no personal experience with printers of these manufacturers and 
> have no idea how good their drivers/support are.

Check them in the printer database which may be found here:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting

As a rule of thumb, I would advise against buying a printer which
does not support native printing of PostScript, PDF or PCL.  These
are guaranteed to work, and work well, without the need for special
vendor-specific drivers (you might need a PPD file to enable device-
specific features like duplexing and the like, but that's it).  If it
doesn't support one of the above languages, it's most likely a "raster"
device which requires the host to render the page image; this type of
printer has numerous issues, including in many cases the inability to
print a full page at high resolution and/or lose data due to timing
issues and lack of sufficient memory to buffer an entire page.

I've had good experiences with HP LaserJets and currently have a
Kyocera FS-C5025N which does native IPP to talk to CUPS.

Regards,
Roger

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help to choose right printer to buy

2011-07-26 Thread Juan R. de Silva

I'm looking to buy one of these B/W Laser printers:

Samsung ML-2855ND or Brother HL-2270DW.

I have no personal experience with printers of these manufacturers and 
have no idea how good their drivers/support are.

Samsung lists as supported only few distributions of old versions and 
offers so called Universal Pint Driver, about which I've read quite 
controversial things.

Brother have a driver for the above particular printer. But on their 
"Evaluated Distributions" page lists only Debian 5.04 32 bit, while I'm 
using Debian 6.02 64 bit. 

It also lists Ubuntu 10.04 both 32 and 64 bit. This is fine but would it 
work under the next release/s?

The Brother customer rep shocked me by not being able even to pronounce 
the word Linux, by not knowing what 32 bit is, and by asking at the end 
of conversation:"How have you named your OS? Is it a special OS, what is 
it?" This is exact quote.

If somebody uses one of the printers above, or has a general experience 
with printers of either of the companies and can share it with me, here 
are my questions:

1. Does one of the above printers work under Debian 6.02
1. On which company driver/support (support ? :->) is better to rely?
2. Which of the 2 printers above is a better choice, considering my 
priorities are:

- reliability of the driver in terms of its availability and OS support 
after upgrade to the next OS version.
- reliability of the printer itself
- build-in duplex printing
- cost effectiveness
- I do not care much about wireless, but if it comes, it comes. :-)

If you can suggest any better printer that I've picked up, please, do.



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Re: VirtualBox: sharing files between the host and guest OS

2011-07-26 Thread Jason Hsu

The little detail I missed: For some reason, you cannot use "share" as the name 
of the folder.  I changed the name of the folder in the host OS from "share" to 
"guest", updated the mount command and the Devices->Shared Folders setup, and 
the file sharing now works.

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Re: VirtualBox: sharing files between the host and guest OS

2011-07-26 Thread Walter Hurry

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:12:58 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:

> How do I share files between the host OS and guest OS?  (Both are
> Linux.)
> 
> The version of VirtualBox I'm using is 4.0.8 r71778.
> 
> Until recently, I was using an older version of VirtualBox and had no
> difficulty sharing files between the host and guest OS. In VirtualBox
> 4.0, I have yet to successfully do so.
> 
> The directory I'm sharing is ~/share under the guest OS and /mnt/host
> under the host OS. When I enter "mount -t vboxsf share /mnt/host", I get
> the error message "/sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error:
> Invalid argument".
> 
> The package dkms is already installed in the guest OS. I also installed
> the build-essential package in the guest OS, but the file sharing still
> refuses to work.
> 
> Yes, I have the shared folders set up under the Devices -> Shared
> Folders menu. And both the ~/share folder in the guest OS and /mnt/host
> in the guest OS exist.
> 
> So what little detail am I missing?

Have you installed the extpack on the host?



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:16:12PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
> for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
> 
> could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian from?
> 
> i ente

   ..snip of rant.

> FUCKING INSTALL ASSHOLE DEBIAN FROM MY USB STICK?
> 
> who is writing all these worthless pages that point to even more
> worthless pages of words... i want a fucking DOWNLOAD and have that
> shit done in 5 minutes
> 
> i dont want to read science papers by some asshole whose only skill
> is to partionize people through writing a book that has recursive
> links in it that point to even more bullshit instead of a fucking
> usb stick image...

Re the subject line: in your case, no.

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VirtualBox: sharing files between the host and guest OS

2011-07-26 Thread Jason Hsu

How do I share files between the host OS and guest OS?  (Both are Linux.)

The version of VirtualBox I'm using is 4.0.8 r71778.

Until recently, I was using an older version of VirtualBox and had no 
difficulty sharing files between the host and guest OS. In VirtualBox 4.0, I 
have yet to successfully do so.

The directory I'm sharing is ~/share under the guest OS and /mnt/host under the 
host OS. When I enter "mount -t vboxsf share /mnt/host", I get the error 
message "/sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error: Invalid argument".

The package dkms is already installed in the guest OS. I also installed the 
build-essential package in the guest OS, but the file sharing still refuses to 
work.

Yes, I have the shared folders set up under the Devices -> Shared Folders menu. 
And both the ~/share folder in the guest OS and /mnt/host in the guest OS exist.

So what little detail am I missing?

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Re: MediaWiki 1.17.0 new stable release from Wikimedia

2011-07-26 Thread John Foster


On 7/21/2011 1:24 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:46 PM, John W Foster wrote:


There is a new stable release from Wikimedia of MediaWiki 1.17.0  Any
idea when we will see it packaged for Debian. It is said to support
substitution// {{subst}}&  {{safesubst}} // so that the error message we
are getting with Ver. 1.15 will be resolved. It is an important upgrade
for those of us who use this software. Thanks!

Please resend your mail to the bug report about this issue:

613...@bugs.debian.org
http://bugs.debian.org/613791

That said, it looks like the Debian maintainers of mediawiki need help
with it, so you might end up joining the team and doing the upgrade
yourself :)

Oh its not a bug; just the current version is way old. Its been years 
since I packaged anything myself. i will have to relearn how..LOL but I 
guess I,ll give it a whirl.

Thanks!
frosty


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Re: debian sensible browser help

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:29:43PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Steve Kleene wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:53:28PM +, I wrote:
> > 
> > > From my command line, I tried
> > >
> > > BROWSER=/usr/bin/iceweasel export BROWSER
> > > 
> > > but found that reading an html e-mail then brought up both iceweasel and
> > > sensible-browser.  I had no entry for html in ~/.mailcap, and /etc/mailcap
> > > listed sensible-browser.  I did this all with metamail, which is kind of
> > > archaic.
> > 
> > On 2011-07-26 00:43:30 GMT, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > 
> > > Try putting that line in .bashrc, log out and back in. Don't forget the
> > > "&&".
> > 
> > I just did try that with the "&&", and I still got sensible-browser when I
> > used metamail.  Maybe that's unexpected, but at least listing iceweasel in
> > ~/.mailcap has worked.
> 
> AFAIK it is still true that unless you have taken special measures
> (e.g. ~/.xsession) then the .bashrc environment will not be present to
> the GNOME desktop.

It sure seems to be present out of the box on mine (Lenny and Squeeze). 
In addition to the browser export setting, I source my .bash_aliases
file from it.

> Therefore while setting BROWSER in .bashrc will
> work for invocations of sensible-browser from the command line it
> won't have any effect for when GNOME is launched.

Gnome has to be launched manually? Not my experience. On my distros it
launches at boot. What distros are you basing your statement on? Or am I
completely misunderstanding your post?

> Instead for GNOME
> it appears in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc that you
> need to put settings into ~/.gnomerc instead.  I mention this because
> Paul said he was running GNOME.  Users running other session managers
> would be better served to use ~/.xsession.
> 
> Probably best to have the .gnomerc simply dot source (with '.' not
> 'source', Xsession is a /bin/sh script not a /bin/bash script) the
> .bashrc file so that you get the same environment both places.




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Re: OT - stitching together 2 pdf files

2011-07-26 Thread Itay



On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, AG wrote:


Hi all

Sorry for the OT, but does anyone know of a way to stitch 2 separate pdf 
files together to make one large one?


Check the pdfjam package.

HTH
Itay

I'm pretty sure acroread won't, but I was wondering about Xpdf or possibly a 
command-line approach?


Thanks for any help.

Cheers

AG






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Re: debian sensible browser help

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 02:39:24AM +, Steve Kleene wrote:
> 
> On 2011-07-26 00:43:30 GMT, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> 
> > Try putting that line in .bashrc, log out and back in. Don't forget the
> > "&&".
> 
> I just did try that with the "&&", and I still got sensible-browser when I
> used metamail.  Maybe that's unexpected, but at least listing iceweasel in
> ~/.mailcap has worked.

That's strange because when I put BROWSER=/usr/bin/firefox && export
BROWSER in my .bashrc it over rode the sensible-browser entry in
/etc/mailcap (I don't use a ~/.mailcap file).

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Re: What are the 94 printable characters from the 128 characters of ASCII table?

shawn wilson wrote:
> Ummm, earlier printers than that didn't have moveable heads like that. There
> was this printer that used a chain with a few sets of letters and 80
> hammers. When the right letter moved under the proper hammer, it fired (and
> if you asked it to print a row with letters in the 'right' order, the chain
> would snap). Point being, a 'head' didn't move to create a space, so that
> logic is flawed.

It is hard to argue about the old IBM 1403, a classic line printer.
But just the same those types of chain impact printers were pretty
expensive and weren't everywhere.  My memory is vague on the causality
of each since they were created before I was born.  :-) But I did
routinely use them at the university data center while programming on
the Honeywell and Harris machines using the qed editor on printing
tractor feed paper terminals.  The annoying back and forth head
movement of those is what motivated me to learn to type quickly so
that I could get the next letter onto the paper before the head
retracted, making the just printed character visible.  You see the
timing of the head motion was really quite annoying and if you typed a
little slow then it would bang back and forth and the feedback to the
brain was killer.  But if you could type the next character before the
head retracted then it wasn't so bad.

> I also don't think space is printable but whatever.

  "I and the world happened to have a slight difference of opinion.
  The world said I was mad, and I said the world was mad.  I was
  outvoted, and here I am." -- Richard Brothers

:-)

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Re: Whitespace problem with bash script for Icedove

2011-07-26 Thread Mark Neyhart

Jimmy Wu wrote:

> 1. Just use the shell's globbing - it was meant for this purpose -
> instead of assigning a glob to a variable.  Glob expansions can be
> iterated over in loops correctly and safely.  Expanded strings are
> much more tricky to get right (if it is even possible) and less safe
> when you don't.
> 
> FILES="/home/bill/.../Local Folders/2-Personal.sbd"
> 
> for i in "$FILES"/*
> 
> note the glob is outside the quotes
> 
I like this solution better than the one I had suggested.

Mark Neyhart


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Re: manually adding root certificates

2011-07-26 Thread Arno Schuring

Hi,

apologies for the delay, your response did an ACME ink on me :)

Camaleón (noela...@gmail.com on 2011-07-24 16:48 +):
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:35:10 +0200, Arno Schuring wrote:
> 
> > does anyone here have experience with adding CA certificates to
> > Debian? My ISP is using "USERTrust Legacy Secure Server CA" as its
> > issuer and that CA does not appear to be included in
> > ca-certificates.
> 
> (...)
> 
> > Now, according to /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian I
> > should be able to drop this certificate
> > in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates, run update-ca-certificates and
> > be done with it. But this does not appear to be sufficient, because
> > I still get this:
> 
> (...)
> 
> Just for testing purposes... have you tried to drop the cert file
> under "/usr/share/ca-certificates" (I mean, instead using the
> "local" dir) and then run "update-ca-certificates"?

Yes. Dropping it there had no effect, until I explicitly added the
filename to ca-certificates.conf. Then, it had the same effect as
adding it to /usr/local (I actually went that route before RTFM, as a
good admin should :)

> 
> (...)
> 
> > :~/tst$ openssl
> > verify /etc/ssl/certs/USERTrustLegacySecureServerCA.pem 
> > /etc/ssl/certs/USERTrustLegacySecureServerCA.pem:
> > OK
> 
> ls -l /etc/ssl/certs | grep -i usertrust
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root33 Jul 24 17:30 cf831791.0 ->
USERTrustLegacySecureServerCA.pem
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root66 Jul 24 17:30
USERTrustLegacySecureServerCA.pem
-> /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/USERTrustLegacySecureServerCA.crt

To make matters more interesting, it would appear that fetchmail
accepts the certificate even though openssl still complains that it is
unable to verify the signature. I've now done the same test with
gmail's service, and I get roughly the same result:


$ openssl s_client -connect pop.gmail.com:995 -showcerts
CONNECTED(0003)
depth=1 /C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet Authority
verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
verify return:0

$ openssl s_client -connect pop.gmail.com:995 -showcerts
-CApath /etc/ssl/certs CONNECTED(0003)
depth=2 /C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority
verify return:1
depth=1 /C=US/O=Google Inc/CN=Google Internet Authority
verify return:1
depth=0 /C=US/ST=California/L=Mountain View/O=Google
Inc/CN=pop.gmail.com verify return:1


So I guess the original question is solved, "put the certificate
in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates" is really the correct solution.
But then there are two more questions open:
- why does openssl respond differently when I specify a CApath that
should be the system default?
- what is the correct way to check whether a ca-certificate is
installed correctly?


Regards,
Arno


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Brian

On Tue 26 Jul 2011 at 13:38:14 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote:

> However, I wonder why I'd have to use a 16 MB iso image for a usb
> stick, rather than a regular install image.

Wonder why no longer; read *all* the messages in this thread; recognise
the power of an iso-hybrid image. :)

>  I imagine installing
> from this above minimal image would be difficult.  

Only without net access.

> I also found in the documentation (2.4 Installation Media) an entry for
> USB sticks (2.4.3. USB Memory Stick) which seems to assume that systems
> with only USB sticks (and not dvds or cdroms) must be tiny, which given
> laptops nowadays is not the case.  There also was an entry in 2.4.1.
> CD-ROM/DVD-ROM that states "USB CD-ROM drives are also supported, as
> are FireWire devices that are supported by the ohci1394 and sbp2
> drivers."  So, I don't know if the regular iso image that was intended
> for dvds or cdroms (IE, the netinst image) can be used with a
> usb-stick or not . . . . . 

You would know if you read *all* the messages in this thread. :)

>. . . . But, contrary to some of the
> other posts on this topic, the regular netinst images do seem
> distinctly to be for cdrom/dvd, rather than usb-stick (see
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/).  

No. But you have to read *all* the messages in this thread to understand
why.


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Re: What are the 94 printable characters from the 128 characters of ASCII table?

Paul E Condon wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > DEL 0x7f is a control character.  It is not a printable character.
> > And its history is interesting.
> 
> The original name for DEL was RUBOUT. It was used by telegraphers to
> rub out a mistaken punch in a paper tapes that they were preparing off
> line, prior to actual transmission. This is a very practical use and
> the code with all holes punched was the only one that served this
> purpose. Also, RUBOUT produced a nice tear strip across the tape.

Yes.  Note that I did say that its history is interesting.  :-) It is
why there is both backspace and delete on the keyboard.  So that you
can backspace to the characters you want to delete and then you can
delete them.  But that meant that when 0x7f characters encountered on
input were ignored since they were characters that had been deleted.

> On a teletype, every code caused the print mechanism to cycle, so in a
> special mechanistic sense, rubout was intended to be "printable."

Printable on paper tape, yes, but if you loaded the paper tape back
into the system then you found that the deleted characters had
disappeared. :-)

A fun trip down memory lane...  And in the play of semantics.

Bob

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Re: debian sensible browser help

Steve Kleene wrote:
> I should clarify that I am doing all of this from command lines under a
> window manager (fvwm).  When I call startx, the first xterm's settings come
> from ~/.bash_login.  But if I call more xterms from there, any settings in
> ~/.bashrc override those.  This was easily verified by playing with the login
> prompt (PS1).

This is expected due to the fine grained control exposed in bash.
In the bash man page you will find:

   ~/.bash_profile
  The personal initialization file, executed for login shells
   ~/.bashrc
  The individual per-interactive-shell startup file

A very typical thing to do in the ~/.bash_profile is to source the
$HOME/.bashrc file with a snippet similar to the following:

  if [ -f "$HOME/.bashrc" ]; then
. "$HOME/.bashrc"
  fi

Or this following in ~/.profile which needs to be shell portable:

  if [ -n "$BASH_VERSION" ]; then
# include .bashrc if it exists
if [ -f "$HOME/.bashrc" ]; then
  . "$HOME/.bashrc"
fi
  fi

Bob

P.S. I am also using fvwm, right now in fact.

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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Walter Hurry

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:00:17 +0100, Dom wrote:

> The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
> (and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to install
> a number of test systems recently.

And Squeeze. No problems at all with a USB stick.



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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

2011-07-26 Thread Dom

On 26/07/11 18:38, Mark Grieveson wrote:

for the love of everything that doesn't suck...

could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian
from?

(snip)

Wow, I just spent the last five minutes laughing. Even though I don't
feel this is the most productive way to ask for assistance, I must
confess to being able to relate to it due to having felt similar
frustration in the past.

In trying myself to find an answer to how to get an iso for a
usb-stick, I found it was a bit of a maze. From many of the links on
the issue, I was led to this:
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso

(snip)

Anyway, seems confusing to me, too. Given that some usb-sticks can
store even more material than a dvd, and given that usb-sticks are
commonly the only removable drives on a lot of computer devices today
(IE, laptops), why the links for installing Debian group usb-sticks as
"other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)", rather than having a
specific entry for it as they do for cdrom, dvd, and even blu-ray, is a
mystery.

So, can the netinst-cdrom image be used with a usb-stick? And if so,
why the different listing for usb-sticks? And if not, why not?

I don't know why the different listings exist. Maybe this part of the
Debian site could do with a partial rewrite.

The Wheezy netinst-cdrom image can certainly be used with a USB stick
(and a USB hard disk too). I've successfully used this method to install
a number of test systems recently.

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Re: can't suspend in linux-image-3.0.0-1

2011-07-26 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-07-25 20:39 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:


On 2011-07-25 20:29 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


I can't issue 'acpitool -S' in linux-image-3.0.0-1:

 Function Do_Suspend : could not open file : /proc/acpi/sleep.
 You must have write access to /proc/acpi/sleep to suspend your 
computer.


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635391

Please reassign this bug to acpitool, it needs to use /sys/power/state
instead.  /proc/acpi/sleep has been deprecated since Linux 2.6.23 and
was removed in 2.6.36.


Looking into the source, acpitool *does* use /sys/power/state on 2.6
kernels but defaults to /proc/acpi/sleep on other versions.  It also
parses /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease for obtaining the kernel version
instead of using uname(2) like everybody else.  Oh well.



Thanks Sven, you go ahead of me. I was just going to look at the source.
Bug is closed.



I meant 'got' ahead of me. The keyboard got ahead of me too.
It's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635537

Hugo


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Re: fstab for usb devices in Squeeze

2011-07-26 Thread Mark Grieveson

> My fstab doesn't have any entries for usb disks.  I use fluxbox and I
> use pcmanfm (a file manager) to mount/unmount usb sticks.
> 
> -Rob
> 

That's interesting.  A while back, when I tossed out gnome and gdm in
favour of fluxbox and startx, I likely also removed automatic mounting
processes in my computer.  So, I had to set up stuff to manually mount
things, which resulted in the fstab entries I used to have.  That
having changed in Squeeze has caused some issues -- IE, it seems the
labelling of all drives became different.  Anyway, to avoid having to
look up the specific UUID each time I insert a new device, it may be
useful for me to look into setting up some sort of automatic mounting
utility (like installing pmount, maybe).

Mark


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OT: Re: BoF?

2011-07-26 Thread Dejan Ribič


Dne 26.7.2011 16:55, piše Sudev Barar:



On 26-Jul-2011 8:10 PM, "T o n g" > wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> What does BoF stands for?

Birds of feather - common interest group

??

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  in our country we once had an electronics store named BoF (= building 
of fun) :)


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Re: Problems with PAE kernel sort of solved.

2011-07-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 7/26/2011 9:15 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:

>Never assume :) So, if you were me, which options would you include
> or drop...I don't need PAE (one gig of memory in this machine) and I now
> know it's not a multi-core, so CONFIG_X86_SMP is the only one needed ??
> I have compiled kernels before (started off with Slackware6 or 7 years
> ago) but have never needed to since Debian.

Cool, you should be prepared then.  I'd use menuconfig.  Under
"Processor type and features":

Select Symmetric multi-processing support
Select Processor Family-->Pentium-4/Celeron...
Set Maximum # of CPUs to 2
Select SMT (HyperThreading) scheduler support
Set High Memory Support to OFF or 4GB, but not to 64GB
Unselect Multi-core scheduler support
Unselect PAE

There may be other options you need to tweak here and in other config
areas.  For example you'll probably want to enable lodable module
support, and to build your SATA and ethernet drivers into the kernel.
Personally I build everything I need into my kernels and nothing I don't
need, and I disable loadable module support unless I need iptables
support on a particular box.  I don't use initramfs.  I only use Linux
on headless servers, so I omit things like USB support, and I disable
power management.  I only build in filesystems I will use, which are
ext2 and XFS, ext2 for /boot and the root filesystem, XFS for everything
else.  I build the firmware blob in.  Etc, etc.

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Re: IDT High Definition Audio Codec soundcard

2011-07-26 Thread Andreas Berglund


On 2011-07-25 18:10, Camaleón wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:01:16 +0200, Andreas Berglund wrote:


Camaleón skrev 2011-07-24 16:16:


(...)


Anyway, what's your motherboard? Maybe you can start to look some tip
from there...




I don't know the brand but I do know it's an H67 Express


Cross your fingers and as root, run:

dmidecode | grep -i -e product -e manufacturer

Greetings,



This is the result if it gives any useful information

Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
Product Name: HPE-530sc
Manufacturer: PEGATRON CORPORATION
Product Name: 2AB6
Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
Manufacturer: Intel
Manufacturer: A1_Manufacturer0
Manufacturer: Micron
Manufacturer: A1_Manufacturer2
Manufacturer: Micron
Manufacturer: NULL


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Re: fstab for usb devices in Squeeze

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Mark Grieveson  wrote:
> Hello.  Back in the good old days when I used Lenny, I was able to
> mount my usb stick, mount my digital camera, and sync my palm pilot,
> at the same time.  After upgrading to Squeeze, this now seems like an
> impossible dream.
>
> My fstab file used to look like this:
>
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #                
> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro
> 0       1 /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw
> 0       0 /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto
> 0       0 /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  vfat,msdos    rw,user,noauto
> 0       0 /dev/sda1     /media/usb      vfat
> noauto,user     0       0 /dev/sdb1     /media/usb2
> vfat    noauto,user     0
> 0 /dev/sdc1     /media/usb3     vfat    noauto,user 0   0
>
> Now, it has all these messy unreadable entries like
> "UUID=14c375f6-91a3-45cd-b12a-d06b507c9dfe" in it.  What does this
> mean?
>
> I use Fluxbox, on an old Dell OptiPlex GX1.  Whenever I try to mount
> and read the files on my digital camera, I am told I have "wrong fs
> type, bad option, bad superblock".
>
> There's some strange entry in the current (and now incomprehensible)
> fstab that reads:
>
> "UUID=A456-E995 /media/usb  vfat  noauto,user  0 0"
>
> I think this might be for my usb stick, which sometimes I can mount
> and read.  But, when I try to read images from my digital camera, via
> plugging it in and mounting /media/usb, it tells me that "mount:
> special device UUID=A456-E995 does not exist".
>
> How I yearn for the good old days of Lenny.  But, I digress.  Can
> someone tell me how to fix my fstab to get it so I can once again mount
> my usb devices (specifically the camera)?

$ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/

Tao


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Re: can't suspend in linux-image-3.0.0-1

2011-07-26 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2011-07-25 20:39 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:


On 2011-07-25 20:29 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


I can't issue 'acpitool -S' in linux-image-3.0.0-1:

 Function Do_Suspend : could not open file : /proc/acpi/sleep.
 You must have write access to /proc/acpi/sleep to suspend your computer.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635391

Please reassign this bug to acpitool, it needs to use /sys/power/state
instead.  /proc/acpi/sleep has been deprecated since Linux 2.6.23 and
was removed in 2.6.36.


Looking into the source, acpitool *does* use /sys/power/state on 2.6
kernels but defaults to /proc/acpi/sleep on other versions.  It also
parses /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease for obtaining the kernel version
instead of using uname(2) like everybody else.  Oh well.



Thanks Sven, you go ahead of me. I was just going to look at the source.
Bug is closed.

Hugo


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Re: BoF?

2011-07-26 Thread Sudev Barar

On 26-Jul-2011 8:10 PM, "T o n g"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> What does BoF stands for?

Birds of feather - common interest group

??

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Re: BoF?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, T o n g  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What does BoF stands for?

Birds of a Feather
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_(computing)


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Re: BoF?

2011-07-26 Thread Michael Checca

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:40:10 -0400, T o n g   
wrote:



Hi,

What does BoF stands for?

Is it a Debian specific thing? because I can't find a suitable def in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BoF#Technology

Usage examples,

Test Driven Development in Debian BoF
Debian Events BoF
Debian Wiki BoF
...

Thanks



BOF /B-O-F/ or /bof/ /n./ Abbreviation for the phrase

 "Birds Of a Feather" (flocking together), an informal discussion group  
and/or bull session scheduled on a conference program. It is not clear  
where or when this term originated, but it is now associated with the  
USENIX conferences for Unix techies and was already established there by  
1984. It was used earlier than that at DECUS conferences and is reported  
to have been common at SHARE meetings as far back as the early 1960s.


http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/bof.html


First hit on Google for Debian BOF :)

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Re: libreoffice在KDE 4.6下无法启动

2011/7/21 Di Shaodong :
> 如题，无论是通过菜单还是通过终端，都是只出现启动画面，然后进度条不走，然后便消失了。更无法理解的是，通
> 过终端启动居然没有任何提示信息，就好像程序已经正常启动了，但事实上没有。各位有谁遇到过同样的问题，有谁
> 知道如何解决吗？
>
> p.s. 我用的是Debian Sid最新版。libreoffice-kde已装。

我前段時間遇到過 要關閉一個libreoffice默認開啟的選項才能啟動 好像是qt的bug還是哪個包帶進來的bug 記不清了
其實設一個環境變量就可以解決 讓libreoffice使用gtk
現在找不到當時是怎麼改的了 如果你也是這個問題 搜一下很快就能找到的

用sid要多關注 bug reports
things are expected to break.


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:15 PM, thuilliercharmet  wrote:
> " not sure that your minority will be part of my "global" diversity . "
> franckly and directly.
>
> With my best that i can at the moment because i have the same problem
> than you : no dvd reader (means i am limited in choice OR nobody give me
> a gratis dvd reader) !
> mr thuillier-charmet

check the installation media and booting parts of the installation
manual to see which method fits u the best.

for usb stick booting and installing, it's a one-liner as documented
in the manual[1]
run the command below with root permission.

$cat /path/to/your/debian-stable-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdX

replace /dev/sdX with the path to ur usb device.
make sure that u backup the whole disk, since the partition table will
be overwritten.

if u don't feel comfortable with `cat', use

$dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX

btw, if u already have *nix installed on the target machine, no
external media is required for installing debian.
fetch the iso file and Grub/Lilo boot files, add the menu entry for ur
bootloader, reboot and you'll see the debian installation interface.
see the manual[2] for details.

[1] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
[2] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd

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Re: SATA resetting, WTF ?!

2011-07-26 Thread briand

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:10:30 +0200
Stanisław Findeisen  wrote:

Interesting !  It only did this for about 10 min. and then stopped.

This problem has shown up in the kernel before.

Not sure how to try and reproduce it.

Well, time to reboot with 2.6.39 and see what happens.



Brian

> On 2011-07-26 07:02, bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I could actually hear this happening to the hard disk - but thought it was 
> > my imagination.
> > 
> > Linux windy 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 18 23:13:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 
> > GNU/Linux
> > 
> > [1289040.878979] ata2: irq_stat 0x0040, connection status changed
> > [1289040.878982] ata2: SError: { DevExch }
> > [1289040.878986] ata2: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps
> > [1289040.878989] ata2: hard resetting link
> > [1289043.264515] ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-32)
> > [1289043.264520] ata2: reset failed (errno=-32), retrying in 8 secs
> > [1289050.876509] ata2: hard resetting link
> > [1289053.488513] ata2: COMRESET failed (errno=-32)
> > [1289053.488518] ata2: reset failed (errno=-32), retrying in 8 secs
> > [1289060.876509] ata2: hard resetting link
> > [1289063.168016] ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 1 SControl 310)
> > [1289063.168024] ata2: EH complete
> > [1289063.168613] ata2: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x400 action 
> > 0xe frozen
> > 
> > anybody have any ideas ?
> > 
> > disk seems to be ok, not making any funny noises - well unless it resets.  
> > I can actually hear it !
> > 
> > I seriously doubt this is the MB or disk.  This behavior started with 
> > testing...
> > 
> > Brian
> 
> Have you tried fsck?
> 


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Re: installing debian from USB... IS IT POSSIBLE?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Dirk  wrote:
> for the love of everything that doesn't suck...
>
> could it be any harder to find a USB stick image to install debian from?
[snip]

debian iso images have native usb stick support.
what u want is a one-liner.
and i won't explain too much to u, in case u get lost in a desert of
charactors again.
backup ur files on the usb stick, then run

$cat /path/to/your/debian-stable-amd64-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdX

as root.


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Re: Problems with PAE kernel sort of solved.

2011-07-26 Thread Frank McCormick


On 26/07/11 04:49 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:



I don't believe CONFIG_X86_PAE is the cause of Frank's problem.  I
believe it lies in two or more other config options.  It just happens
that he's using a pre-compiled canned Debian kernel that seems to have
other features turned on that are causing his problem.  See below.


  I can hardly wait :)


I doubt Frank is the only person on the planet
using a Northwood C series uni-core Pentium with HyperThreading hardware
and CONFIG_X86_PAE enabled.  He may be one of the few attempting to use
a canned kernel with PAE, SMP, and multi-core enabled in his kernel, on
a CPU that only supports 1 of the 3.



For close to a decade I've been rolling my own kernels from vanilla
source to avoid problems such as this, and for other reasons.  Given
that Frank didn't know he had an HT, but not dual core, CPU, and has
probably never heard of CONFIG_X86_SMP or CONFIG_X86_HT, he's probably
not a candidate for rolling his own kernels. :(


   Never assume :) So, if you were me, which options would you include 
or drop...I don't need PAE (one gig of memory in this machine) and I now 
know it's not a multi-core, so CONFIG_X86_SMP is the only one needed ?? 
I have compiled kernels before (started off with Slackware6 or 7 years 
ago) but have never needed to since Debian.


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Re: Linux RAID for Perfomance and supported Card

2011-07-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 7/26/2011 6:34 AM, Siju George wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A few of my servers are running on Linux Software RAID 1 and is
> meeting disk I/O bottle Neck.

What is the nature of the bottleneck, IOPS or throughput?  What is the
workload?  Email, database, file server, web server, etc?  How much disk
space does the workload require?

> I am considering other RAID Levels to increase Performance as well as
> keep the Redundancy.

This may not be necessary.  Read on.

> I guess I should Go for Hardware RAID 10 as per my colleague's advise
> after reading through many reviews on the Internet.
> Does any body have any ideas or Suggestions?

Yes.  Identify the workload and required storage space.

> Also which RAID card is most supported on Linux?

LSI/3ware are very good.  I hear the higher quality/price Adaptec cards
are decent as well.  Drivers for all above are in the kernel source
tree.  Steer clear of Areca cards, and steer clear of all fakeraid
cards.  If it doesn't have onboard memory it's a fakeraid card.

I'm going to make a couple of educated guesses before awaiting your
response.  You're currently running 2 mdadm or LVM mirrored disks in
each server, and experiencing an IO bottleneck.  Thus the servers are
likely MTAs in an MX farm.  If so, your bottleneck is insufficient head
seek bandwidth while random writing incoming mail files to the queue
directory.

The best way to solve this problem is running a couple of properly sized
SLC SSDs in an mdadm mirror pair.  Your IOPS will jump from the
~150-300/second you have now with 7.2k or 15k RPM drives, to between
3,000 and 30,000, far exceeding any future need.  Side benefits are
reduced power draw and noise.  A suitable SSD would likely be the Intel
SSD 311:  http://www.intel.com/design/flash/nand/311series/overview.htm

If you'd rather go the mechanical route:
http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/MegaRAIDSAS9260CV-4i.aspx
 Includes 512MB flash backed write cache, no BBU required.

Quantity 4
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ed10e9171e70e110VgnVCM10f5ee0a0aRCRD&locale=en-US
2.5" 15K RPM 73GB

A quality 4 bay 2.5" SAS/SATA hot swap cage that occupies a single 5.25"
bay, w/2 integrated cooling fans:  http://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=114

As always, disable the individual drive caches in the controller BIOS
and enable the card's 512MB write cache.  Balance the RAID cache for
equal read/write as files written to the MX queue are typically
immediately read back then delivered to a mailbox server.  Configure the
4 drives as RAID10 with the smallest possible stripe size because mail
files typically average less than 32KB in size.  If the controller
offers an 8KB stripe size select it, if not select the smallest offered.
 This will help minimize wasted space due to partial stripe width
writes, and will slightly increase performance.  Due to the 512MB of
RAID cache your queue IOPS will be in the multiple thousands, vs only
600 for the 2 spindle stripe.

Mirrored SSDs will have orders of magnitude greater IOPS and will be
cheaper vs the RAID card/mechanical drive solution, but will have far
less space.  Using larger SSDs drives the cost up quickly.

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Re: Change Iceweasel identification SOLVED

2011-07-26 Thread mark

On Tuesday 26 July 2011 9:46:57 am Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:38 AM, mark  wrote:
> > HI,
> >
> > I'm running Lenny with Iceweasel 3.0.6. I understand that I can't
> > upgrade the browser without upgrading to sid, which I'm not
> > willing to do at this time.
> >
> > Problem that I am having is that when I access yahoo mail, it
> > tells me that in order to use the new version of yahoo mail, I
> > have to use firefox (there are some other choices, but I don't
> > want to install another browser).
> >
> > How can I have sites identify iceweasel 3.0.6 as firefox so that
> > I can access the features of sites that are blocked from me?
>
> In about:config, I have a setting for
> 'general.useragent.extra.firefox', the value of which I set to
> 'Firefox/4.0' (I'm using the 4.0 version of Iceweasel).  Perhaps
> that setting would help?

Thanks.  That worked fine.

Mark


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Re: Change Iceweasel identification

2011-07-26 Thread Jimmy Wu

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, 09:38-0400, 
mark  wrote:
> HI,
> 
> I'm running Lenny with Iceweasel 3.0.6. I understand that I can't 
> upgrade the browser without upgrading to sid, which I'm not willing 
> to do at this time.
> 
> Problem that I am having is that when I access yahoo mail, it tells me 
> that in order to use the new version of yahoo mail, I have to use 
> firefox (there are some other choices, but I don't want to install 
> another browser).  
> 
> How can I have sites identify iceweasel 3.0.6 as firefox so that I can 
> access the features of sites that are blocked from me?

Install an addon like User Agent Switcher or something like that so you 
can change your user agent string to say firefox.  Or go to
mozilla.debian.net for more updated iceweasel packages.  You could also 
run the FF binary from Mozilla right out of your home directory without
affecting your system install.

Lenny is old stable so you'll stop getting security updates in less than 
a year.  You may want to plan an upgrade to squeeze in the near future.

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Re: limiting email sizes when sending files

2011-07-26 Thread lee

Andrew McGlashan  writes:

> Hi,
>
> lee wrote:
>> Andrew McGlashan  writes:
>>> lee wrote:
 That you don't want the problem to exist doesn't help.  Look at
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=+635184 and tell me if
 you know a better solution.
>>> 100M logfiles via email is way too unreasonable.
>>
>> Do you have any arguments or a solution?
>
> A 10MB logfile isn't that insignificant, if you need access to larger
> log files, then you would be far better off having more direct access
> via other means [ssh login perhaps].

This isn't about having access to the files at all.  It's about keeping
them, and the best thing to do that is to send them to myself by email.

The times when a 10 or 100MB file was too large to fit on your hard disk
are long gone --- or are you still using hardware that old?

> The next thing you'll tell me is that your browser should be able to
> hold a 100MB logfile in a tab -- that is just crazy!

Huh? What else would I expect?

> How are you going to work with a 100MB logfile?  Chances are you will
> grep for particular things or summarize the logfile via a script of
> some kind to make the data useful and of a manageable size.

Eventually, yes --- and to be able to do that, I want to keep the
logfiles.  There's no problem with files that are several gigabytes in
size.  You can grep or view them just fine.

> How long it takes to get to a 100MB logfile is another issue.  If you
> aren't checking the logfile more regularly (one way or another),
> getting hit with a 100MB logfile is going to hurt in other ways.

You you would have to check the logfiles constantly to avoid surprises.
They can be written to pretty fast.  I don't want to spend all day
watching logfiles.  Running logrotate every minute or so isn't a good
solution, either.

> There is also the idea of using a syslog server that is more easily
> accessed where needed.

That can be a good idea when you want to access logfiles stored
remotely.  The ones I have, I just need them sent to me by email.

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Re: Change Iceweasel identification

2011-07-26 Thread Patrick Wiseman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:38 AM, mark  wrote:
> HI,
>
> I'm running Lenny with Iceweasel 3.0.6. I understand that I can't
> upgrade the browser without upgrading to sid, which I'm not willing
> to do at this time.
>
> Problem that I am having is that when I access yahoo mail, it tells me
> that in order to use the new version of yahoo mail, I have to use
> firefox (there are some other choices, but I don't want to install
> another browser).
>
> How can I have sites identify iceweasel 3.0.6 as firefox so that I can
> access the features of sites that are blocked from me?

In about:config, I have a setting for
'general.useragent.extra.firefox', the value of which I set to
'Firefox/4.0' (I'm using the 4.0 version of Iceweasel).  Perhaps that
setting would help?

Patrick


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Change Iceweasel identification

2011-07-26 Thread mark

HI,

I'm running Lenny with Iceweasel 3.0.6. I understand that I can't 
upgrade the browser without upgrading to sid, which I'm not willing 
to do at this time.

Problem that I am having is that when I access yahoo mail, it tells me 
that in order to use the new version of yahoo mail, I have to use 
firefox (there are some other choices, but I don't want to install 
another browser).  

How can I have sites identify iceweasel 3.0.6 as firefox so that I can 
access the features of sites that are blocked from me?

thanks,

Mark


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Re: Transfering large files (was: Unison hangs on copy)

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 03:24:11PM +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:
> Victor Munoz  wrote:
> >
> >So I tried rsyncinc another file, 23 M in size (with --progress
> >option), and surprise, it stops when 11% transfer is reached. Tried
> >with scp, and same magic number: 11% and it stops.
> 
> What happens if you try to copy this file locally or on some other
> device or force reading it with, for example, dd (dd
> if=/path/to/yourfile of=/dev/null). Maybe the storage device on which
> it is located has some bad blocks. You could also try to run scp
> within strace to see where or what hangs.

Ok, I will try this and your other suggestions when I'm home later in
the day, since I don't have access to that machine now.

> 
> >So now I think I have a problem with transfering large files. Somehow
> >the upgrade caused this, because almost all previous transfers
> >involved that 20M file, but now I am unable to copy this and other
> >large files between both machines. 
> 
> Is only this one file the problem or maybe other files as well? What
> happens if you copy (not move!) that file to another location on your
> drive and then try to scp it over? 

After I noticed unison had problems with this file, I took another
file, about the same size, in other directory, and did the rsync and
scp experiments with those files. So I don't think it is a problem
with that particular file or disk sector. But I will check your other
suggestions as soon as I can.

Thanks,

Victor


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Re: Transfering large files (was: Unison hangs on copy)

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 07:25:41AM -0400, Randy Kramer wrote:
> > So I tried rsyncinc another file, 23 M in size (with --progress
> > option), and surprise, it stops when 11% transfer is reached. Tried
> > with scp, and same magic number: 11% and it stops.
> 
> I'm somewhat surprised, because when I was thinking of large files, I 
> was thinking of CD image size files.  (I used to transfer these over a 
> 33 kbps modem, requiring about 65 hours per image, spread out over 
> (typically) 5 nights.  Oh, the good old days ;-)

Indeed, this is very frustrating, 20M is not a huge file, but it's the
size which is giving me trouble (ok, it could be less, haven't tried,
but I don't want to be too obsessive :-)

> 
> I don't really have any good thoughts to offer.  I'd be looking to make 
> sure that no temporary storage areas have been filled (presumably /tmp 
> on either machine), in fact, I'd probably do a df for all partitions on 
> both machines and make sure all of them have plenty of space (a nice 
> big multiple of 23 MB--I don't really know how much storage rsync, or 
> scp need, but I'm just "grasping at straws" looking for possibilities.
> 
> While rsync may do some thinking (i.e., pause) during a 23 MB file 
> transfer, I don't think scp would, but there still might be something 
> that is timing out. 

I thought exactly the same thing, that's why I tried scp after rsync.
One of the machines reports this:

df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 178G  146G   24G  87% /
tmpfs1007M 0 1007M   0% /lib/init/rw
udev 1002M  172K 1002M   1% /dev
tmpfs1007M 0 1007M   0% /dev/shm

This is the remote machine I'm trying to synchronize with every night.
I will check at home the other one when I can. 


> 
> All from me is just random speculation, however.  Good luck--I hope 
> someone else will have some better suggestions for you.

Fine, thanks for the speculation and the interest.

Victor



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Re: Transfering large files (was: Unison hangs on copy)

2011-07-26 Thread Claudius Hubig

Victor Munoz  wrote:
>Both replicas are very large, and the few listed changes showed no
>large files, or so I thought. But it turns out I was wrong, and a 20M
>file was involved. I deleted the cache file, and reconstructed the
>mirror, and I finally discovered that unison hangs when this
>particular large files is involved. There are other large (and larger,
>4 times larger, for instance) files in the replicas, but they are
>identical, and unison doesn't complain. Only with this file, which
>differs. 
>
>So I tried rsyncinc another file, 23 M in size (with --progress
>option), and surprise, it stops when 11% transfer is reached. Tried
>with scp, and same magic number: 11% and it stops.

What happens if you try to copy this file locally or on some other
device or force reading it with, for example, dd (dd
if=/path/to/yourfile of=/dev/null). Maybe the storage device on which
it is located has some bad blocks. You could also try to run scp
within strace to see where or what hangs.

>So now I think I have a problem with transfering large files. Somehow
>the upgrade caused this, because almost all previous transfers
>involved that 20M file, but now I am unable to copy this and other
>large files between both machines. 

Is only this one file the problem or maybe other files as well? What
happens if you copy (not move!) that file to another location on your
drive and then try to scp it over? Is the content of the file thus
that you could send it via plain netcat? If so, did you try something
along the lines of:

destination# nc -l yourport | md5sum

source# dd if=/path/to/mysterious/file | nc otherhost.example.org yourport

Please note that I have not tested the commands given here, so you
might want to have a look at the manpages to make sure you got them correct.

Best regards,

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Re: Fwd: Unison hangs on copy

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 09:10:35PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
> 
> I think that I read somewhere that Unison is barely being developed any more
> (I'll look for a citation), basically only major bug/security fixes, but no
> new features, as I recall. I have been looking for a replacement for it.
> Thus far, I found persy (http://persy.digitalkultur.net/), but have not had
> a chance to put it through its paces. I found it in an article on Debian
> Administration, which also lists a couple of other alternatives:
> 
> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/667/Directory/File_synchronization_across_systems
> 

Mm, it's a pity, because unison is such a nice program. But if
alternatives are better, so be it. Anyway, I'll stay with unison for a
while, thanks for the tip.

Victor


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