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From: Ralf Mardorf 
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Subject: [solved] How to verify install iso?
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 04:34:55 +0100
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http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-cd/ [...]

Thank you Gregory, this is what I (for what reasons ever, maybe because
I've got a cold) couldn't find. I clicked on the download and downloaded
the iso from the same directory ;), but I wasn't aware about it. As far
as I can see, there is no link for the checksums on the download page.

Regards,
Ralf

PS: In a previous mail I confused amd64-netinst.iso with i386 ;). JFTR,
the iso is ok.

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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 13/12/13 13:15, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> You misunderstand me.
> 
> If I've got a checksum from the iso, e.g.
> 
> [rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum 
> debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso 
> c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440
> debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
> 
> where can I find a file with checksums to check/compare?

For the example you give.

The iso comes from:-
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

Looking at the parent page:-
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/

The sums are listed on the same page. In this instance (SHA1) you'd want:-
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS

The relevant entry for that particular iso is:-
c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

So in this instance you *know* that the cd is intact.

Don't trust the sums? Why should you?
Those sums are signed by the developers:-
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS.sign

$ gpg --output SHA1SUMS --verify SHA1SUMS.sign
gpg: Signature made Mon 14 Oct 2013 08:18:52 EST using RSA key ID 6294BE9B
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

I then download the key matching that ID from a keyserver (Debian CD
signing key (debian...@lists.debian.org) ID: 6294BE9B Fingerprint:
DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B.).
 and see it's signed by a bunch of people (17). By checking their keys
and the keys of some of the people who've signed their keys - I find I
"trust" the CD signing key "by 2 degrees". The world really isn't that
big after all! :)

NOTE: if you don't know someone who signed Steve McIntyre's key you
surely know someone who does know someone who did (or you've never left
the house you were born in, ever).

> 
> I need a source and don't know where the source is.
> 
> If I download a key, I can decrypt a signed file including the
> checksum, but where is that file?
> 
> I can not find such a file inside the iso,

Mount the iso (# mount -o loop $someISO $somewhere) and you'll see the
file. (I posted the ls of a mounted CDROM earlier in this thread)

> nor do I know a website to download such a file.

Example provided above.

> 
> Regards, Ralf
> 
> 

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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 12/13/13, Gregory Nowak  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 03:52:34AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> And where is a file to check if this is the correct checksum?
>
> I honestly can't remember the last time I ran across a list discussion
> which had replies going all around the question, but didn't
> satisfactorily answer the actual question. Ralf, try this:
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS.sign
>
> The first one is for the actual sha1 checksums, the second is the gpg
> signature of the checksums.

Thank you Gregory - very true.

Ralph, look inside the first file above, and thanks for sticking to
your simple question - I myself didn't realise that 'the obvious'
(Gregory's details above) was not so obvious...

> Does this help?

Over to you, OP...


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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 14:02 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Loopback mount the .iso file, and do a gpg signature check on the
> .../Release.gpg file.

[rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sudo mount -o loop 
debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso iso/
[sudo] password for rocketmouse: 
mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ cd iso/ ; ls -a
.debian  firmware   install.386  pool README.source 
 win32-loader.ini
..   .disk   g2ldr  isolinux README.html  README.txt
autorun.inf  dists   g2ldr.mbr  md5sum.txt   README.mirrors.html  setup.exe
css  doc installpics README.mirrors.txt   tools
[rocketmouse@archlinux iso]$ cd dists/wheezy/ ;ls -a
.  ..  contrib  main  Release

Where can I find the Release.gpg file?

[rocketmouse@archlinux wheezy]$ find . -name Release.gpg
[rocketmouse@archlinux wheezy]$ cd ../..
[rocketmouse@archlinux iso]$ find . -name Release.gpg

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: How to verify install iso?

2013-12-12 Thread Gregory Nowak

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 03:52:34AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> And where is a file to check if this is the correct checksum?

I honestly can't remember the last time I ran across a list discussion
which had replies going all around the question, but didn't
satisfactorily answer the actual question. Ralf, try this:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS.sign

The first one is for the actual sha1 checksums, the second is the gpg
signature of the checksums. Does this help?

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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 03:53 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 09:50 +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote:
> > You don't need one, you run :
> > 
> > /usr/bin/md5sum /file/you/downloaded
> > 
> > in a shell. That will give you the number to compare. ;)
> 
> To compare with what?
> 
> There is no file to compare!

PS:

[rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ /usr/bin/md5sum 
debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso 
564282a81b5aef7015501e497fc63d81  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

I know how to do this, K3b does this automagically even if I wouldn't
now ow to do this.

So I have this checksum, but nothing to compare, to verify the checksum.



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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:20 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> But have you done a self-check. This a first step:
>> check SHAs.
>
> That is what I want to do, not a self-test, but before I burn the iso, I
> want to verify the checksum.
>
> I have this
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum
> debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
> c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
>
> And where is a file to check if this is the correct checksum?

Loopback mount the .iso file, and do a gpg signature check on the
.../Release.gpg file.


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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:28 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> > If I've got a checksum from the iso, e.g.
> >
> > [rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum
> > debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
> > c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
> >
> > where can I find a file with checksums to check/compare?
> 
> > I can not find such a file inside the iso, nor do I know a website to
> > download such a file.
> 
> Is there something like:
> .../debian?../dists/jessie/Release
> ??

Yes, there's /dists/wheezy/Release, but it doesn't include something
that is signed.

There is also /md5sum.txt, but it doesn't include something that is
signed.

I got it from here:

"Official netinst images for the stable release

Up to 280 MB in size, this image contains the installer and a small set
of packages which allows the installation of a (very) basic system." -
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

This is the download:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 09:50 +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote:
> You don't need one, you run :
> 
> /usr/bin/md5sum /file/you/downloaded
> 
> in a shell. That will give you the number to compare. ;)

To compare with what?

There is no file to compare!



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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:20 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> But have you done a self-check. This a first step:
> check SHAs.

That is what I want to do, not a self-test, but before I burn the iso, I
want to verify the checksum.

I have this

[rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum
debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso 
c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

And where is a file to check if this is the correct checksum?



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Re: How to verify install iso?

2013-12-12 Thread Diogene Laerce


You don't need one, you run :

/usr/bin/md5sum /file/you/downloaded

in a shell. That will give you the number to compare. ;)




On 12/13/2013 09:28 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
   

If I've got a checksum from the iso, e.g.

[rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum
debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

where can I find a file with checksums to check/compare?
 
   

I can not find such a file inside the iso, nor do I know a website to
download such a file.
 

Is there something like:
.../debian?../dists/jessie/Release
??


   


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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> If I've got a checksum from the iso, e.g.
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum
> debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
> c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
>
> where can I find a file with checksums to check/compare?

> I can not find such a file inside the iso, nor do I know a website to
> download such a file.

Is there something like:
.../debian?../dists/jessie/Release
??


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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:27 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> - you can also use the installer to self-check.
>
> If it's compromised a self-check could be done compared with what ever
> source.

True.

But have you done a self-check. This a first step:
check SHAs.

OR self-check the digital signature of the Release.gpg file for your
release (eg Jessie).

See eg .../debian?/dists/jessie/Release.gpg

Your next step is to satisfy yourself that the signature/fingerprint
of the key you are using for self-checking of a CD for example, is
"safe".

So you need a sense of safety from the Debian Developers and their
network or not-network servers. This is a "take for granted" type
thing for me at the moment.

The next level of improvement in your sense of "safety" of the archive
signing key, is to check its fingerprint on eg, this site:

> http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html
> http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.de.html

eg:
"
pub   4096R/64E6EA7D 2009-10-03
  Key fingerprint = 1046 0DAD 7616 5AD8 1FBC  0CE9 9880 21A9 64E6 EA7D
uid  Debian CD signing key 
"

For example, if you check the Debian signing key fingerprint from a
few random Debian mirrors, perhaps through a TOR proxy to some
overseas/ other country Debian mirror website, then you should be
_reasonably_ comfortable at that point, that the key fingerprint on
your machine or on your particular CD ISO, is in fact the "real
Debian" one.

The next level of improvement in your sense of safety regarding a
particular key (you are concerned that global internet monitoring and
NSA/KGB/etc bodies are all colluding to present to you a FAKE debian
archive signing key, from ALL the websites you have accessed, via
whichever network transport layers (direct through ISP, proxy through
TOR etc) you have checked through), is to physically build your GPG
"web of trust" or "chain of trust" - eg, host a keysigning party, and
invite a Debian Developer in your area.

At this point, your efforts would probably be best spent working to
become a debian developer, and to assist with development and auditing
of various "important" packages in the Debian archive.

You also might consider to rebuild various "important" packages and
libraries, eg GnuPG and those libs which do MD5 and SHAx hashing, and
verifying that you can create bit-identical versions, or at least
re-run your SHA and signature verification process using your custom
build libraries, and making sure you get the same verifications.

At that point, you might install some very old version of Debian (from
say 7 years ago), then build the libraries required to build the
"modern" libraries (or rather, library versions) for your SHA and GPG
sig key checking, and check your modern iso/archive veracity on that
old Debian installation.

At this point, you should have a pretty high level of certainty around
the veracity of the GPG keys and signatures and SHA signatures etc.

Good luck :)
Zenaan

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Re: How to verify install iso?

You misunderstand me.

If I've got a checksum from the iso, e.g.

[rocketmouse@archlinux downloads]$ sha1sum
debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso 
c7050ae8ccda40456f6a1c4936ea8f170736b440  debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso

where can I find a file with checksums to check/compare?

I need a source and don't know where the source is.

If I download a key, I can decrypt a signed file including the checksum,
but where is that file?

I can not find such a file inside the iso, nor do I know a website to
download such a file.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 13/12/13 12:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:27 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> - you can also use the installer to self-check.
> 
> If it's compromised a self-check could be done compared with what ever
> source.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

> 
>> I'm guessing you should read the FAQ (link is top-right of that page
>> [*2]) if that's over your head.
> 
> There's no explanation where the checksum files can be found. The iso
> does include a md5sum.txt and nothing else. There simply is no file for
> comparison.

Huh?  You can download the key from the same location as you download
the iso. *Or* you can use the one on the iso:-
$ ls -x
autorun.inf   [BOOT]   css dists
  doc firmware   g2ldr
g2ldr.mbr install  install.386 isolinux
  *md5sum.txt*  pics   pool
README.html   README.mirrors.html  README.mirrors.txt  README.source
 README.txt  setup.exe  tools
win32-loader.ini

(emphasis mine)

> 
>> Paragraph 3: Check the appropriate signature.Here's a list of keys that
>> have been used, the same ones are in the debian keyring package.
> 
> Keys for what?

Signing the image (context Ralph, context).

 For a MD5SSUMS.sign file? The iso doesn't include such a
> file. I at least can't find it.

I'd suggest you *read* the references I posted, then if you've still got
questions... :)

You may also find the man files for the three sum checking tools I
posted informative.

> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
> 

Kind regards

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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:27 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> - you can also use the installer to self-check.

If it's compromised a self-check could be done compared with what ever
source.

> I'm guessing you should read the FAQ (link is top-right of that page
> [*2]) if that's over your head.

There's no explanation where the checksum files can be found. The iso
does include a md5sum.txt and nothing else. There simply is no file for
comparison.

> Paragraph 3: Check the appropriate signature.Here's a list of keys that
> have been used, the same ones are in the debian keyring package.

Keys for what? For a MD5SSUMS.sign file? The iso doesn't include such a
file. I at least can't find it.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 13/12/13 11:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> How can I verify that the debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso is ok?

Aside from the methods exhaustively detailed in the links I've provided
- you can also use the installer to self-check.
e.g. with debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso:-
Advanced options -> Expert install -> Check the CD-ROM(s) intergrity

> 
> http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html
> http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.de.html
> 
> I neither understand the English nor the German explanation.

I'm guessing you should read the FAQ (link is top-right of that page
[*2]) if that's over your head.

> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
> 

Readers Digest version:-

Paragraph 1: Debian CDs are digitally signed so you can check for
corruptions and to prove they are baked by Debian.

Paragraph 2: To check the signature use an appropriate tool. "md5sum",
"sha1sums", or "sha512sums".[*1]

Paragraph 3: Check the appropriate signature.Here's a list of keys that
have been used, the same ones are in the debian keyring package.

List of keys

Last paragraph: Official "role" keys have gradually replaced the use of
personal keys belonging to developers. However, a decision was made not
to go back and re-sign all the old releases that were already signed
using the older keys. [dunno what all that means]

Kind regards

[*1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Hash_Algorithm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2
http://people.debian.org/~danchev/debian-iso/check_debian_iso

[*2]
http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify

[*3]
http://www.debian.org/releases/
"Integrity of the data in the releases

Data integrity is granted by a digitally signed Release file. To ensure
that all files in the release belong to it, MD5 checksums of all
Packages files are copied into the Release file.

Digital signatures for this file are stored in the file Release.gpg,
using the current version of the archive signing key. For "stable" and
"oldstable" an additional signature is generated using an offline key
specifically generated for a release by a member of the Stable Release
Team."

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Re: How to verify install iso?

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:14 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> > How can I verify that the debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso is ok?
> >
> > http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html
> > http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.de.html
> 
> Try this:
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=47699
> 

Thank you Zenaan,

but this doesn't help me, since I know how to get a checksum from the
iso, but where is a signed or not signed checksum to compare?

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: How to verify install iso?

On 12/13/13, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> How can I verify that the debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso is ok?
>
> http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html
> http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.de.html

Try this:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=47699

Good luck
Zenaan


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startx (with no per-user config) works, kdm has _issues_

So I have no per-user config, such as ~/.xinitrc , ~/.xsession and
~/.xsessionrc .

startx after linux console login works well.

When I login to Linux console, then run
sudo service kdm start, and then login from there to xfce,
my XFCE4 keyboard shortcuts don't work (Settings -> Keyboard ->
Application Shortcuts).

Any ideas why?

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

On 12/13/13, Brian  wrote:
> On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 17:23:31 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
>> What seemed like a good idea, at, the, time ... is longer looking so
>> good. Any ideas why this odd behaviour would appear as it does?
>
> You could try following the advice given in
>
>/usr/share/doc/xfce4-session/README.Debian

This is excellent advice.

Please Note: before these experiments, I simply had ~/.xinitrc, and
startx worked.

However, I was inspired by what is the new/current "debian way".

On a whim, I removed ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession and I have no ~/.xsessionrc .

So now things work as well as they did with ~/.xinitrc , but without
any ~/.x* files! This is good.

Clearly consolekit is started (logout, as well as reboot etc now
work), my keyboard shortcuts work etc.

This seems ideal - no per-user configuration, and it just works (TM)(C)(R).

Thanks
Zenaan

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How to verify install iso?

How can I verify that the debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso is ok?

http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html
http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.de.html

I neither understand the English nor the German explanation.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

I would replace all capacitors in that area, not only the leaking. The
others will leak soon too.


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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

2013-12-12 Thread Doug

On 12/12/2013 05:03 PM, Goren Buckwalk wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Ralf Mardorf
Sent: 12/12/13 04:01 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 15:45 -0500, Doug wrote:

On 12/12/2013 02:11 PM, Goren Buckwalk wrote:

A agree regarding to the multi-layer, I only half agree regarding to
replacing the capacitors. Could you post a link to a photo? "rusty
looking" could be flux, it not implicitly has to be a broken capacitor.
We unlikely will be able to spot it by a photo, but you never know.
However, if you have to ask, than don't unsolder them on your own ;).

Yes, I do have to ask, so I know not to do.

Pics I can do. However, the angles a bit rough, me leaning on one leg, system 
is up and running at the end of rack near the wall, luckily I left the side 
panels off (hosting site found via search engine, but it seems safe. I made 
close up and smaller versions, but looking at the pics via the site they must 
have recompressed them, all are under 1 meg some around .3 meg.):

Shaky shot of the worst of the three, other two hidden by CPU:

http://s2.postimg.org/lbrkej89l/DSCN1309.jpg
(full size)

http://s21.postimg.org/nfi2gfet3/DSCN1309_cropped.jpg
(cropped in close-up, has red arrow to the worst and yellow pointing to where 
the other two are hidding)

http://s21.postimg.org/pb4url3nb/DSCN1309_cropped_small.jpg
(smaller and cropped)

- Shot of all three, almost:

http://s27.postimg.org/iya7t9gjn/DSCN1307.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/z5vhqwe5z/DSCN1307_cropped.jpg

http://s24.postimg.org/qgkgju9z9/DSCN1307_cropped_smaller.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/i33u96j5h/DSCN1307_smaller.jpg

- wider but shaky shot:

http://s21.postimg.org/qjsqd7vlj/DSCN1311.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/x72ewgux3/DSCN1311_small.jpg

That brownish color you see is not flux. There would never be any flux 
on the top of the capacitors.
It's caused by the electrolyte leaking out. Probably a close inspection 
(after you have removed the part)
would show some fracture in the aluminum housing, or at least a hole. 
All the caps should show

just clean aluminum on top, like the other ones you see in the vicinity.

I would be tempted to replace these aluminum electrolytics with tantalum 
capacitors of the same or
slightly larger voltage and capacitance ratings. Under no circumstances 
use a lower voltage rating than what
you are replacing.  Much military hardware has been built with tantalum 
caps, but most consumer equipment

has not, because tantalums are quite a bit more expensive.

Whoever is going to do the actual work, remember that electrolytic 
capacitors--both aluminum and tantalum
--are *polarity sensitive*. they *must* be installed with the same 
polarity as those being replaced. The board
itself may be marked--I just looked at a Foxconn mobo, and it has a + 
sign next to each electrolytic cap. But
if not, before removing the caps, mark the board with a + sign where the 
positive end goes, or with a minus sign
where the negative side is. (Aluminum caps are usually marked with a 
white stripe at the negative polarity.
Tantalums, however, are usually marked with a + sign nearest the 
positive lead.)

Depending on the values you need, you might find them at Radio Shack. 
They don't have a large selection,
and their prices are about 5 times what the actual value is, but for 
three pieces, that's the simplest.

Otherwise, Digikey will definitely have what you need.

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Re: Jesse install images?

2013-12-12 Thread Steve McIntyre

Jon wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Kailash Kalyani  
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The I've found that the netbootcd works best for me...
>> http://netbootcd.tuxfamily.org/
>>
>> You can choose the distro and the release at install time.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Kailash
>>
>
>Hi Kailash,
>
>I checked out the netbootcd site, and then the Tiny Core that it's
>based on from there.  Unfortunately they are only up to kernel 3.8 so
>far, and I think I need 3.10 to support my ethernet hardware.  It
>looks like it would have been easy though, I wish it worked :-).

Ummm. Why mess about? There *are* regular builds of Debian installer
CDs for jessie - see

  http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

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Changing Week start

2013-12-12 Thread Alois Mahdal

Hello,

regarding locales and my user account, I have kind of strange
taste, but I would like to know if it's possible to achieve
this (or at least indicate my preference to applications):

*   As a language of display (e.g. GUI messages), I want to use
English

*   As date format, I want to use Czech standard, e.g.

   "Út, 31.12.2013 13:45:31" for last day of this
   year, quarter to 2pm plus 31 seconds

*   When a week is displayed, I want to see Monday as the first
day


Of course I never had problem with the first one.

Time format can be specified using LC_TIME along with things
like paper format and monetary format, although most of the
time I just tweak it in the app (since it's usually only
xfce4-datetime-plugin where I really care).

However, I have yet to find a proper way how to define first
day of week.  Is this possible?   Or is there an ongoing
attempt to add this to standard LC_* arsenal as well?


Thanks,
aL.

PS: Although I said that my taste is strange, I suspect this
might be valid case for any English-speaking citizen living in
a non-English environment:  basically you want all in your
native language, except for things like dates, timetables and
prices, where you want to be consistent with what you see
everywhere around you.  (Disclaimer: I'm not that case, I'm
native Czech, I just prefer English for GUIs and WWW to avoid
distraction from incorrect/incomplete translations and to
learn English better.  And to explore new use cases ;))


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Re: Jesse install images?

2013-12-12 Thread Jon N

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Kailash Kalyani  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The I've found that the netbootcd works best for me...
> http://netbootcd.tuxfamily.org/
>
> You can choose the distro and the release at install time.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kailash
>

Hi Kailash,

I checked out the netbootcd site, and then the Tiny Core that it's
based on from there.  Unfortunately they are only up to kernel 3.8 so
far, and I think I need 3.10 to support my ethernet hardware.  It
looks like it would have been easy though, I wish it worked :-).

Jon

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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

The photos are not that good but I guess the capacitors are broken, they
seem to leak. Are some caps curved? It's unlikely that there would be
flux.


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Re: Having weird seqfaults

> - Original Message -
> From: Gregory Nowak
> Sent: 12/12/13 03:28 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Having weird seqfaults
> 
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 01:21:21PM -0500, Goren Buckwalk wrote:
> > I have let it run over night, it is still going, but no errors so far. 
> > Would memtest restart if it seg faulted midway through? Or just sit there 
> > not doing anything or display an error message? 
> 
> As far as I know, memtest will just run until you stop it. If you
> have it running for say 10-12 hours, and it just prints successive
> tests that it's doing, then your ram is probably fine. I would
> personally move on to checking the rest of the hardware at this point.
> 
> Greg
> 
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It says itterations: 6 , so it has run several 6 of the same tests then. I'll 
stop it. Thanks!


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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

> - Original Message -
> From: Ralf Mardorf
> Sent: 12/12/13 04:01 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
> 
> On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 15:45 -0500, Doug wrote:
> > On 12/12/2013 02:11 PM, Goren Buckwalk wrote:

> 
> A agree regarding to the multi-layer, I only half agree regarding to
> replacing the capacitors. Could you post a link to a photo? "rusty
> looking" could be flux, it not implicitly has to be a broken capacitor.
> We unlikely will be able to spot it by a photo, but you never know.
> However, if you have to ask, than don't unsolder them on your own ;).
> 

Yes, I do have to ask, so I know not to do.

Pics I can do. However, the angles a bit rough, me leaning on one leg, system 
is up and running at the end of rack near the wall, luckily I left the side 
panels off (hosting site found via search engine, but it seems safe. I made 
close up and smaller versions, but looking at the pics via the site they must 
have recompressed them, all are under 1 meg some around .3 meg.):

Shaky shot of the worst of the three, other two hidden by CPU:

http://s2.postimg.org/lbrkej89l/DSCN1309.jpg
(full size)

http://s21.postimg.org/nfi2gfet3/DSCN1309_cropped.jpg
(cropped in close-up, has red arrow to the worst and yellow pointing to where 
the other two are hidding)

http://s21.postimg.org/pb4url3nb/DSCN1309_cropped_small.jpg
(smaller and cropped)


- Shot of all three, almost:

http://s27.postimg.org/iya7t9gjn/DSCN1307.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/z5vhqwe5z/DSCN1307_cropped.jpg

http://s24.postimg.org/qgkgju9z9/DSCN1307_cropped_smaller.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/i33u96j5h/DSCN1307_smaller.jpg

- wider but shaky shot:

http://s21.postimg.org/qjsqd7vlj/DSCN1311.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/x72ewgux3/DSCN1311_small.jpg


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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

2013-12-12 Thread Joe

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:11:32 -0500
"Goren Buckwalk"  wrote:

> 
> Are three rusty capacitors and 3 bad slots just a coincidence? Thanks.
> 
> 
The exactly matching numbers is a coincidence, but overall it isn't.
Dying capacitors mean that the power rails they are attached to are no
longer nice and clean and smooth, but contain voltage spikes and
steps. When the voltage including these transients falls outside the
range in which RAM (or anything else) works, then it starts causing
errors. RAM draws quite a bit of current, and the higher the current,
the worse the spikes, so removing RAM may well take the voltage
back into the working range. The worse the capacitors get, the more
you need to reduce the current taken to get things working again.
Capacitors degrade prograssively rather than dying instantly, and you
can't see the loss of capacity, so the number that are visibly damaged
is a coincidence. They will all be on the way out.

So yes, replacing the capacitors is the only option. And as has been
said, it isn't a trivial job. It's easy in principle, but the board is
thick and the holes aren't that much larger than the wires, and the
wires are connected to large copper areas, so it's difficult to melt the
solder. Too small an iron simply won't do the job at all, you want at
least 50 Watts with a short bit or an equivalent hot-air rework tool.
Having removed the capacitor, it may be even more difficult to remove
the remaining solder from the holes, or at least enough to fit a new
component. If you succeed in removing the dodgy capacitors, look around
their positions to see if any electrolyte has leaked out, and if so,
clean it up. It's water-soluble and corrosive, and generally eats
copper and other materials, so don't leave it there, even if it looks
dry. It *will* eat the PCB tracks nearby.

Finally, these capacitors are chosen for very high ripple current
ratings at high frequencies, so any replacements need to be designed to
do this particular job. Obviously, use the same capacity and voltage
rating (not larger in capacity, as that may over-stress the switching
regulator which they work with, and not higher in voltage as it won't
do any harm but you'll be trading that for ripple current) and
preferably about the same physical size. The smaller the capacitor, the
lower its ripple current rating will be. The ripple rating won't be
marked on the capacitor, though you may be able to look up the model
number in a datasheet. Just get the highest ripple current you can find
for the voltage and capacitance and physical size, looking for figures
quoted at tens or hundreds of kilohertz rather than 50/60Hz values.
Capacitors designed for switching regulators won't usually have a 50Hz
value quoted anyway.

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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

2013-12-12 Thread Charlie

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:13:50 + Brian sent:

> [When talking about .xsessionrc versus .xsession]
> 
> > I might just revert it back to ~/.xsession and see what error
> > messages I receive, if any?  
> 
> You won't get any error messages. The system will execute valid
> commands in .xessionrc just as well as does those in .xsession.
> Whether the system is at rights with itself is a different matter.

As your say, no errors.

Charlie

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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

2013-12-12 Thread Charlie

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:23:48 + Brian sent:

> Putting commands in .xsessionrc is very naughty. Are you still there,
> Charlie? For your own good, please stop doing it.

I've renamed the file to ~/.xsession after reading the information Bob
kindly supplied and it's all working great, as normal.

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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

I draw the line at soldering. I can do legos, insert cards and cables into 
sockets or slots, and tighten screws into pre-drilled holes, but anything 
bordering skilled work is beyond me. You should see the case I tried to use a 
drill to make a window and a hole for a huge exhaust fan. Not pretty.

> - Original Message -
> From: Dan Hitt
> Sent: 12/12/13 02:28 PM
> To: Goren Buckwalk
> Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
> 
> If you're really feeling ambitious, you can replace the capacitors on
> the motherboard (or at least in the old days you could).
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> dan
> 
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Goren Buckwalk

> > Are three rusty capacitors and 3 bad slots just a coincidence? Thanks.
> >
> >
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Re: Backported Kernel - install question

Hi.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:33:45 +0100
Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 21:32 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > I experienced that synaptic for *buntu Saucy is broken, perhaps it's for
> > Debian broken too. Sometimes nothing is inconsistent, but Synaptic
> > claims that a dependency should be broken. After closing and opening
> > Synaptic everything is ok.
> 
> If apt-get does work, than a not buggy Synaptic must work too ;).

apt, aptitude and synaptic handle package install conflicts differently.

These tools do the same in trivial situations like installing or
removing package from the main archive.

But, put a number of packages with the same name and different versions
(add versioned dependencies to the picture) - and these 3 tools start
behaving differently. Add the fact that any package in backports
archive has special version that is _lower_ that any version in main
archive - and sometimes these tools may produce funny results.

Basically, apt provides you with the most dumb solution possible
(works most of the time) - install what you want, upgrade dependencies.

Aptitude gives you multiple ways of installing package (and one has to
choose carefully) - install what you want, upgrade/downgrade
dependencies (and may remove something just for fun :).

Synaptic assumes that you are not lazy, and will use Ctrl+E (IIRC, may
be wrong) to force particular versions for needed packages.

So, it's possible to use Synaptic for the task, it just will violate
the great IBM principle - 'People should think, machine should work'.

Reco

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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 15:45 -0500, Doug wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 02:11 PM, Goren Buckwalk wrote:
> > [snip] rusty looking coating on the top.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Are three rusty capacitors and 3 bad slots just a coincidence? Thanks.
> >
> >
> As a subscriber to various electronics lists, I can tell you that the 
> first thing you will be told, when repairing modern electronic equipment, is
> to look for bad caps and replace them. So I wouldn't even think twice 
> about it! Replace the capacitors! But if you've never worked on a printed
> circuit board before, I strongly suggest that you find someone who has 
> to do it for you! Motherboards are multi-layer, and you have to be careful
> not to damage it.

A agree regarding to the multi-layer, I only half agree regarding to
replacing the capacitors. Could you post a link to a photo? "rusty
looking" could be flux, it not implicitly has to be a broken capacitor.
We unlikely will be able to spot it by a photo, but you never know.
However, if you have to ask, than don't unsolder them on your own ;).



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Re: Having weird seqfaults

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 12:28 -0800, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 01:21:21PM -0500, Goren Buckwalk wrote:
> > I have let it run over night, it is still going, but no errors so
> far. Would memtest restart if it seg faulted midway through? Or just
> sit there not doing anything or display an error message? 
> 
> As far as I know, memtest will just run until you stop it.

Correct, but I experienced that Debian's packages of memtest (e.g.old
stable) often didn't work correctly on my machine, when I used the same
version of memtest from a memtest iso, it did run without issues. The
same when I used memtest from Ubuntu. They seem to compile it different,
than it's compiled for the original memtest isos.

When I talk about memtest, I mean memtest 86+.

I would use it from here
http://www.memtest.org/#downiso

Debian anyway does provide version 4.20, while the iso comes with 5.01.

-= Change Log =-
Here is all the latest change logs for memtest86+ :

*** Enhancements in v5.01 : ***

New Features
Added support for up to 2 TB of RAM on X64 CPUs
Added experimental SMT support up to 32 cores (Press F2 to enable at
startup)
Added complete detection for memory controllers
Added Motherboard Manufacturer & Model reporting
Added CPU temperature reporting
Added enhanced Fail Safe Mode (Press F1 at startup)
Added support for Intel "Sandy Bridge-E" CPUs
Added support for Intel "Ivy Bridge" CPUs
Added preliminary support for Intel "Haswell" CPUs (Core 4th Gen)
Added preliminary support for Intel "Haswell-ULT" CPUs
Added support for AMD "Kabini" (K16) CPUs
Added support for AMD "Bulldozer" CPUs
Added support for AMD "Trinity" CPUs
Added support for AMD E-/C-/G-/Z- "Bobcat" CPUs
Added support for Intel Atom "Pineview" CPUs
Added support for Intel Atom "Cedar Trail" CPUs
Added SPD detection on most AMD Chipsets
Bug Fixes
Enforced Coreboot support
Optimized run time for faster memory error detection
Rewriten lots of memory timings detection cod
Corrected bugs, bugs and more bugs (some could remain)


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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

2013-12-12 Thread Doug


On 12/12/2013 02:11 PM, Goren Buckwalk wrote:

Having not been warned off, I'll post another.

I have a system with two AMD Athlon 2400 MP processors and the motherboard has 
4 slots for RAM. It still runes squeeze (too lazy to upgrade, sorry). About a 
year ago it locked-up and on reboot it beeped like crazy before the POST got 
very far. I started to go through and remove one stick of RAM at a time to see 
if it was bad, and on the first one, the one in slot 4, after taking it out, it 
rebooted and worked fine. So I figured that stick was just bad and left it at 
that. I didn't have any other sticks of the right DDR type and I didn't bother 
to replace it.

About a month ago, I found the box crashed again and beeping on reboot, so 
going through the same elimination process found only the stick in the first 
slot would work. It seemed odd two sticks could go bad at the same time, so I 
tried them in that first slot and both worked. I tried adding some back and no 
matter the combination except for one single stick, always got a beep-fest. So 
I think all the RAM is good, but the last three slots are bad (or maybe just 
the 2nd is bad, and then the 3rd and 4th can't work without the 2nd??).

Looking closer I see three capacitors on the board (nearer to the CPUS than the 
ram slots) have a rusty looking coating on the top. One is worse looking than 
the other two (eh?), the two have some part of their tops that still look shiny 
silver. I've heard of capacitors going bad on motherboards, but never saw any. 
Is this rust a sign of failure and could their failure be the cause of the RAM 
slot problems?

Other than the lockups/memory beeping I've never really seen any issues with 
this system (did replace bad drive once or twice). It has boinc/seti/asteroids, 
webserver(s) and other stuff running (except when running BOINC its not heavily 
stressed but generally is doing _some_ work pretty much all the time).

Are three rusty capacitors and 3 bad slots just a coincidence? Thanks.


As a subscriber to various electronics lists, I can tell you that the 
first thing you will be told, when repairing modern electronic equipment, is
to look for bad caps and replace them. So I wouldn't even think twice 
about it! Replace the capacitors! But if you've never worked on a printed
circuit board before, I strongly suggest that you find someone who has 
to do it for you! Motherboards are multi-layer, and you have to be careful

not to damage it.
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Re: Backported Kernel - install question

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 21:32 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 23:03 +0400, Reco wrote:
> >  Hi.
> > 
> > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 00:17:02 +0530
> > Kailash Kalyani  wrote:
> > 
> > > My understanding is that it should be possible to install backports 
> > > without breaking a stable install. What am I missing?
> > 
> > Sure, it is possible. You're just using wrong tool for the task.
> > 
> > Try:
> > 
> > apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae
> > 
> > Reco
> 
> I experienced that synaptic for *buntu Saucy is broken, perhaps it's for
> Debian broken too. Sometimes nothing is inconsistent, but Synaptic
> claims that a dependency should be broken. After closing and opening
> Synaptic everything is ok.

If apt-get does work, than a not buggy Synaptic must work too ;).



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Re: Backported Kernel - install question

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 23:03 +0400, Reco wrote:
>  Hi.
> 
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 00:17:02 +0530
> Kailash Kalyani  wrote:
> 
> > My understanding is that it should be possible to install backports 
> > without breaking a stable install. What am I missing?
> 
> Sure, it is possible. You're just using wrong tool for the task.
> 
> Try:
> 
> apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae
> 
> Reco

I experienced that synaptic for *buntu Saucy is broken, perhaps it's for
Debian broken too. Sometimes nothing is inconsistent, but Synaptic
claims that a dependency should be broken. After closing and opening
Synaptic everything is ok.



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Re: Having weird seqfaults

2013-12-12 Thread Gregory Nowak

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 01:21:21PM -0500, Goren Buckwalk wrote:
> I have let it run over night, it is still going, but no errors so far. Would 
> memtest restart if it seg faulted midway through? Or just sit there not doing 
> anything or display an error message? 

As far as I know, memtest will just run until you stop it. If you
have it running for say 10-12 hours, and it just prints successive
tests that it's doing, then your ram is probably fine. I would
personally move on to checking the rest of the hardware at this point.

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Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice

On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:

> I've browsed through the hot debates here 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
> 
> and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/
> 
> But there's no mention about when the deadline for the final decision on 
> future 
> init system(s) is.
> I have to prepare my heart for it, does anybody know?

Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of
a couple of years for a decision to be made.


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Deadline for jessie init system choice

2013-12-12 Thread Pavel Volkov

I've browsed through the hot debates here 
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem

and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/

But there's no mention about when the deadline for the final decision on future 
init system(s) is.
I have to prepare my heart for it, does anybody know?


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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 17:47:12 +1100, Charlie wrote:

> I'm happy with what happens when I boot my system - same as when I
> used .xsessionrc with FVWM. But will look into it and read a bit when
> time permits. I could be doing the wrong thing entirely.

You are. But you will never know until you encounter a problem and don't
recognise it as a misunderstanding of what Debian's X configuration is
intended to do.


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Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

2013-12-12 Thread Dan Hitt

If you're really feeling ambitious, you can replace the capacitors on
the motherboard (or at least in the old days you could).

Good luck!

dan

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Goren Buckwalk
 wrote:
> Having not been warned off, I'll post another.
>
> I have a system with two AMD Athlon 2400 MP processors and the motherboard 
> has 4 slots for RAM. It still runes squeeze (too lazy to upgrade, sorry). 
> About a year ago it locked-up and on reboot it beeped like crazy before the 
> POST got very far. I started to go through and remove one stick of RAM at a 
> time to see if it was bad, and on the first one, the one in slot 4, after 
> taking it out, it rebooted and worked fine. So I figured that stick was just 
> bad and left it at that. I didn't have any other sticks of the right DDR type 
> and I didn't bother to replace it.
>
> About a month ago, I found the box crashed again and beeping on reboot, so 
> going through the same elimination process found only the stick in the first 
> slot would work. It seemed odd two sticks could go bad at the same time, so I 
> tried them in that first slot and both worked. I tried adding some back and 
> no matter the combination except for one single stick, always got a 
> beep-fest. So I think all the RAM is good, but the last three slots are bad 
> (or maybe just the 2nd is bad, and then the 3rd and 4th can't work without 
> the 2nd??).
>
> Looking closer I see three capacitors on the board (nearer to the CPUS than 
> the ram slots) have a rusty looking coating on the top. One is worse looking 
> than the other two (eh?), the two have some part of their tops that still 
> look shiny silver. I've heard of capacitors going bad on motherboards, but 
> never saw any. Is this rust a sign of failure and could their failure be the 
> cause of the RAM slot problems?
>
> Other than the lockups/memory beeping I've never really seen any issues with 
> this system (did replace bad drive once or twice). It has 
> boinc/seti/asteroids, webserver(s) and other stuff running (except when 
> running BOINC its not heavily stressed but generally is doing _some_ work 
> pretty much all the time).
>
> Are three rusty capacitors and 3 bad slots just a coincidence? Thanks.
>
>
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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 22:18:31 +1100, Charlie wrote:

[When talking about .xsessionrc versus .xsession]

> I might just revert it back to ~/.xsession and see what error messages
> I receive, if any?

You won't get any error messages. The system will execute valid commands
in .xessionrc just as well as does those in .xsession. Whether the
system is at rights with itself is a different matter.

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Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors

Having not been warned off, I'll post another.

I have a system with two AMD Athlon 2400 MP processors and the motherboard has 
4 slots for RAM. It still runes squeeze (too lazy to upgrade, sorry). About a 
year ago it locked-up and on reboot it beeped like crazy before the POST got 
very far. I started to go through and remove one stick of RAM at a time to see 
if it was bad, and on the first one, the one in slot 4, after taking it out, it 
rebooted and worked fine. So I figured that stick was just bad and left it at 
that. I didn't have any other sticks of the right DDR type and I didn't bother 
to replace it.

About a month ago, I found the box crashed again and beeping on reboot, so 
going through the same elimination process found only the stick in the first 
slot would work. It seemed odd two sticks could go bad at the same time, so I 
tried them in that first slot and both worked. I tried adding some back and no 
matter the combination except for one single stick, always got a beep-fest. So 
I think all the RAM is good, but the last three slots are bad (or maybe just 
the 2nd is bad, and then the 3rd and 4th can't work without the 2nd??).

Looking closer I see three capacitors on the board (nearer to the CPUS than the 
ram slots) have a rusty looking coating on the top. One is worse looking than 
the other two (eh?), the two have some part of their tops that still look shiny 
silver. I've heard of capacitors going bad on motherboards, but never saw any. 
Is this rust a sign of failure and could their failure be the cause of the RAM 
slot problems?

Other than the lockups/memory beeping I've never really seen any issues with 
this system (did replace bad drive once or twice). It has boinc/seti/asteroids, 
webserver(s) and other stuff running (except when running BOINC its not heavily 
stressed but generally is doing _some_ work pretty much all the time).

Are three rusty capacitors and 3 bad slots just a coincidence? Thanks.


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Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-12 Thread Mathias Bauer

Hello Siard,

* Siard wrote on 2013-12-12 at 16:48 (+0100):

> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:30:40 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
>
> > To keep things clear I simply don't want to put all these
> > files into one single directory,
>
> Note that ~/fonts would be sufficient here.  For
> your own convenience you can put your fonts in any sub- or
> sub-sub-directory and they will still be seen.
>
> > neither into ~/.fonts (for a single user) nor into
> > /usr/local/share/fonts (for all local users).
>
> Under these, too, you can create any directory structure you
> like, without having to specify it in ~/.fonts.conf.

ah, I just tried that - it works fine!  Thanks for the hint.

> Not sure why you prefer ~/fonts over one of these, but never
> mind, it's not that important.

Several (upstream) versions of TeX Live plus some other external
fonts and the like.  ~/fonts was a simple example only.  ---> OT

Regards,
Mathias


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Re: Backported Kernel - install question

 Hi.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 00:17:02 +0530
Kailash Kalyani  wrote:

> My understanding is that it should be possible to install backports 
> without breaking a stable install. What am I missing?

Sure, it is possible. You're just using wrong tool for the task.

Try:

apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae

Reco


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Re: Jesse install images?

On Thursday 12 December 2013 07:29 AM, Shane Johnson wrote:

Sorry I also should have stated that you can use either a Live CD or a
Rescue CD.

Shane

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Shane Johnson
mailto:s...@rasmussenequipment.com>> wrote:

Nope, It's a little more difficult, but you can do a bootstrap
install following these instructions adapted to Debian.

Ubuntu Debootstrap instructions

Shane

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Jon N mailto:jdnandr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a new computer that needs (AFAIK) the kernel version 3.10 or
better to support my ethernet (Qualcomm Atheros AR8171). I was
hoping
I could do this with a small download, like the net insttall
ISO, but
so far I haven't been able to find one. Are by only choices to
install Jesse to download multiple CD or 1 DVD file?

Thanks,
Jon

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Hi,

The I've found that the netbootcd works best for me...
http://netbootcd.tuxfamily.org/

You can choose the distro and the release at install time.

Sincerely,
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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 19:06:41 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> I have been trying to get a setup that works properly with startx, as
> well as with kdm. Do you have a recommendation as to how best to

Your original query concerned startx only. You have now escalated the
problem to include kdm :). I'm unsure that helps.

> I have experimented with a couple combinations, but there are too many.

Keep .xsession as a contant. You know it makes sense.

> I have at the moment, startx working well, with .xinitrc and .xsession
> both linking to the same file (bash script, with my "exec ..." line).

The mind boggles! :)


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Re: Having weird seqfaults


> >> Just re-seating your RAM can sometimes fix RAM problem.
> >
> > I pushed on everything before I connected it up to do the reinstall.
> 
> Re-seating means pulling it out, and putting it back in. Same with CPU.

That's a good point, i only made sure everything was tight.



> > It mostly seems random, one thing that seems consistant is adding apps to
> > the LXDE launcher on the panel. If you do 3 or 4 in row it pushes it over
> > the edge. I think the first series of errors above is me doing just that.
> 
> Ah - could be a disk problem then - "reseat" all your connectors,
> everything, run the RAM check.
 
I have let it run over night, it is still going, but no errors so far. Would 
memtest restart if it seg faulted midway through? Or just sit there not doing 
anything or display an error message? 

Once it finishes I'll reseat eveything and see what happens. Thanks. 


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Re: sound problems after upgrade


On Thursday 12 December 2013 09:12 PM, Christopher Judd wrote:

Hi,

I have a testing box, kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64, using KDE. After an upgrade
earlier this week, I am having problems with sound. The system is an MSI
760GM-P23 motherboard with onboard RealTek ALC887, and sound has always
worked fine previously.

The problem is that there is no sound output from Amarok, or when I try
to test the various sound devices from the KDE system config window.
Sound works fine in VLC, however.

I have phonon configured to use the VLC-phonon backend; pulseaudio is
not installed.

How can I determine where the problem is, or which package is broken?
Thanks.

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Hi Chris,

I seem to recall something similar reported in this mailing list's 
archives. Something about volume being set to zero after the upgrade...


http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/08/msg00215.html

Hope this helps,
Kailash


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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

May we look a little closer at one or two of the things you say?

On Wed 11 Dec 2013 at 23:36:51 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:

> Because startx does not use .xsession.  You have things criss-crossed.

1. Running startx basically runs xinit.

2. startx first looks for ~/.xinitrc which, unless there is a very good
   reason, should not be on a Debian system.

3. startx now searches for the system xinitrc in /etc/X11/xinit/. This
   contains the line

  . /etc/X11/Xsession

   and Xsession will use ~/.xsession if it exists.

So startx on Debian uses .xsession :). However, it does not consult it
directly.

>   $ grep xsession /usr/bin/startx
>   ... nothing shown ...

   grep xinit /usr/bin/startx

> The xsession script is only used by the xdm, gdm, gdm3, kdm, lightdm X
> Display Manager graphical login manager programs because they all call
> the /etc/X11/Xsession script.

Please see above.

> Yes, because startx does use xinitrc. 

Indeed it does. It goes on to use /etc/X11/Xsession. :)

> If you are using startx then yes you should use xinitrc.  Only use the
> xsession or xsessionrc file (either one) if you are using one of the
> graphical login managers such as xdm, gdm, gdm3, kdm, lightdm.

Should some of the xs have a '.' in front of them? startx and .xsession
should (except in exceptional circunstances) be found together. A good
way to foul a system up is to use .xinitrc or .xsessionrc by itself with
startx because the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d then do not get used.

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Re: udev rule for a kindle

2013-12-12 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:02:06 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

> On 13/12/13 01:30, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:32 +1100
> > Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> > 
> >> On 12/12/13 01:01, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have a script for backing up my kindle when its first mounted,
> >>> but its not running on mounting, but *does* run when invoked
> >>> manually! When the kindle is mounted it should trigger this udev
> >>> rule -
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >> Try (though I 'suspect" ACTION is unnecessary):-
> >> ACTION=="add",SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1949",
> >> ATTR{idProduct}=="0004", MODE="0666",
> >> RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"
> > 
> > This is /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules as it is now -
> > # saved to /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
> > ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
> > RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle" 
> > #ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb",
> > ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0004", MODE="0666",
> > RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"
> > Just two long lines, but the first line, #2 is actually quicker at
> > displaying the kindle than #3, and it still is not automounted. 
> 
> 
> 
> Neither version "displays" the Kindle on my systems. udisks does. Your
> udev rule makes no difference here.
> 
> > 
> > I've attached a file 'kindlemount.txt' which shows the output of '
> > udevadm monitor --udev', 'sudo grep Kindle /var/log/syslog', and
> > 'lsusb'. 
> 
> 
> Thankyou.
> 
> >>
> >> Look at:-
> >> $ grep kindle /var/log/syslog
> >> you'll probably find "unknown key 'SYSFS" and other useful hints
> >> also "udevadm monitor --kernel" and "udevadm monitor --udev" will
> >> give you some real-time info about udev.
> > 
> > Theres no difference in the syslog whether I run with 'SYSFS' or
> > 'ATTR', neither show up specifically
> 
> 
> Does on my system:-
> 
> # nano /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
> # cat /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
> # one long line
> ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
> RUN+="/home/scott/kindle.sh"
> # udevadm control --reload-rules
> [plugs in Kindle]
> #  grep kindle /var/log/syslog
> Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: unknown key 'SYSFS{idVendor}' in
> /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1
> Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: invalid rule
> '/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1'
> [removes kindle]
> # nano /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
> # cat /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
> #ACTION=="add",
> # note that only ACTION is commented out, you'd commented out the
> whole string. Uncommenting it makes no difference in my test.
> SUBSYSTEM=="usb",ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0004",
> MODE="0666", RUN+="/home/scott/kindle.sh
> # udevadm control --reload-rules
> [plugs in Kindle]
> #  grep kindle /var/log/syslog
> Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: unknown key 'SYSFS{idVendor}' in
> /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1
> Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: invalid rule
> '/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1'
> [no new errors, but script *still* doesn't launch]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry - no epiphanies. I'll have another think about it in the
> morning.
> 
Following on from your actions listed -
sudo leafpad /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
#again, one long line
ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle" 
sudo udevadm control --reload-rules 
#plug in kindle, and mount by hand in thunar
sudo grep Kindle /var/log/syslog
Dec 12 16:21:29 london kernel: [200220.440937] usb 1-2.4.1: Product:
Amazon Kindle 
Dec 12 16:21:30 london kernel: [200221.455151] scsi
25:0:0:0: Direct-Access Kindle   Internal Storage 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI:2 
Dec 12 16:21:43 london udisksd[5448]: Mounted /dev/sde1
at /media/boudiccas/Kindle on behalf of uid 1000 
#just on the off chance
sudo grep kindle /var/log/syslog
#returns zero, no output at all, it *has* to be 'Kindle'

It accepts 'SYSFS' or 'ATTR', no difference, and accepts *either* rule.
But still does not run the script. 

This is on a up-to-date 'jessie' system, with a basic Kindle (costing
£69 from Amazon, the basic model). Just so that we can perhaps see the
differences between our two systems. 

I attach a screenshot showing the kindle open in thunar. You'll see I
have 3 external usb drives, and thinking about it, they *all* have to
be mounted by hand, so the problem is not just with the kindle, its
system-wide. 'thunar-volman' is loaded, but I still have to mount by
hand, whichever file manager I use. 

ps aux|grep udevd
root   367  0.0  0.0  11796  1720 ?Ss   Dec10   0:01 udevd
--daemon 
boudicc+ 12207  0.0  0.0   4208   804 pts/10   S+   16:45 0:00 grep
--color=auto udevd

Just to check one commonality, udevd is running. 
udev 204-5 from http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ jessie/main i386
Packages

I've tried to find any and all commonalities between our two systems,
because they seem to be handling the same information in two different
ways!

Active kernel

Re: Maximum RAM

2013-12-12 Thread David Guntner

Jean-Marc grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 23:11:58 -0800
> David Guntner  wrote:
>>
>> Really?  As I understand it, a 32-bit operating system cannot address
>> more than 4G of memory.
>>
>> What am I missing here?
> 
> Some more infos about PAE (Physical Address Extension):
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

Yup, found it. :-)  Thanks.

> To be checked in /proc/cpuinfo, search for pae in your CPU flags.

Sure enough, it's there, even in my oldish hardware setup being used for
my Linux server.  I really need to update 

--Dave





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Re: Reporting missing package during install

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 22:14 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> 'sudo sh' is as easy on finger (no shift) and do not feel as bad.  

Doesn't it have any side-effects?

I wonder about the prompt of an Arch Linux install.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -l /bin/sh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 25 14:06 /bin/sh -> bash
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo sh
sh-4.2# exit
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo bash
[root@archlinux rocketmouse]# exit
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo dash
# [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$
  ^^^ after Ctrl + D no exit is displayed

And about the prompt of a *buntu Saucy install.

rocketmouse@saucy:~$ ls -l /bin/sh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 22 02:00 /bin/sh -> dash
rocketmouse@saucy:~$ sudo sh
# 
rocketmouse@saucy:~$ sudo dash
# 
rocketmouse@saucy:~$ sudo bash
root@saucy:~# exit
rocketmouse@saucy:~$

Always exited by Ctrl + D.

I'll install Debian within the next days, don't know how it does behave by 
default.


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Re: Maximum RAM

2013-12-12 Thread David Guntner

PaulNM grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/12/2013 02:11 AM, David Guntner wrote:
>> Scott Ferguson grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
>>> On 12/12/13 17:42, erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com wrote:
 Dear  List -

 I am running 32 bit sid with a pae kernel. What is the maximum RAM that
 can be used?
>>>
>>> 64GB
>>
>> Really?  As I understand it, a 32-bit operating system cannot address
>> more than 4G of memory.
>>
>> What am I missing here?
> 
> You're missing that it's a complete fallacy.  Pretty much any processor
> from the Pentium Pro and up support PAE, and thus 64GB of RAM. Microsoft
> decided not to support that on the 32-bit versions of their consumer
> operating systems, but there's no technical reason preventing a 32-bit
> OS from using more than 4GB. (I mention MS because that's where most
> people I talk to get this idea from.)
> 
> Provided the motherboard supports it, that is. :)

Gotcha. :-)

Ah, ok.  While, yes, MS decidedly doesn't support it, I was actually
thinking in terms of 32-bit addressing - which *would* only support up
to 4GB.  Thanks for the mention of PAE; I did a quick search on it and
found the following at Wikipedia:

"In computing, Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a feature to allow
32-bit x86 central processing units (CPUs) to access a physical address
space (including random access memory and memory mapped devices) larger
than 4 gigabytes.

"First implemented in the Intel Pentium Pro in 1995, it was extended by
AMD to add a level to the page table hierarchy, to allow it to handle up
to 52-bit physical addresses, add NX bit functionality, and make it the
mandatory memory paging model in long mode.[1] PAE is supported by Intel
Pentium Pro and later Pentium-series processors except most 400 MHz-bus
versions of the Pentium M.[citation needed] It is also available on AMD
processors including the AMD Athlon and later AMD processor models."

And it went on in all kinds of details from there.

So there are some nifty hardware tricks that let you get around the
limitation.  Good stuff! :-)  Thanks for the info.

 --Dave




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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 17:23:31 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> What seemed like a good idea, at, the, time ... is longer looking so
> good. Any ideas why this odd behaviour would appear as it does?

You could try following the advice given in

   /usr/share/doc/xfce4-session/README.Debian

Selectively quoting we have

   * only use startx, without any argument
   * don't use a .xinitrc, use .xsession

and later

   Then you need to fine-tune your pam installation so ConsoleKit
   can be sure that your user is correctly authenticated. For that,
   you need to:

   * install libpam-ck-connector
   * put:

   
   session   optional  pam_loginuid.so
   

   *before* pam_ck_connector.so in /etc/pam.d/common-session.

This works for me.

> In the meantime, it looks like I'll have to go back to using .xinitrc

Then your X session is probably not set up correctly so you will have to
deal with that in the .xinitrc.


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Re: Maximum RAM

2013-12-12 Thread Doug


On 12/12/2013 03:24 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 18:49 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 12/12/13 18:24, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Ethan, still HTML, really ;)?

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 01:42 -0500, erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com
wrote:

Are there any command line statement(s) that will enable the system to
use more than 4 GB of RAM?

Only when you compile a 32-bit architecture kernel, then you can enable
it by

echo "CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set" >> .config
echo "CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y" >> .config
make oldconfig

Regards,
Ralf



Huh?  :/


Which distro ships a pae kernel with highmem64G *disabled* in the
default .config?

I don't know?

He was asking for CLI statements and those above are the statements, if
you download the vanilla kernel source from kernel.org and build a
32-bit kernel, for e.g. Debian. Yes, there are other CLI statements too.

Why do so many people, with 64-bit architecture prefer 32-bit operating
systems?



Maybe it's because some software is not available for 64-bit systems,
and the devs won't provide what I think is called multi-arch so that
32-bit programs run on the 64-bit system. It's a trade-off--you can have
a distro that supports 32-bit apps on a 64-bit system, but then you have
to put up with all the BS that that distro imposes on you.

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Re: Using an AOS 1600x900 monitor with Wheezy

2013-12-12 Thread Dan Ritter

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:03:13AM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
> I am in the process of assembling a new box in which Wheezy will be
> installed.  The CPU I am planning to use is based on the Intel i5-4670
> which has integrated in it the Intel HD4600 GPU.  The mainboard I want to
> use is a Gigabyte GA-87N.
> 
> The monitor I would like to use is an AOS E2051SDN which is capable of a
> maximum resolution of 1600x900 @ 60Hz, although it is capable of smaller
> resolutions.  Would the described CPU + integrated GPU with Wheezy be
> capable of handling this monitor, with or without any special setup?

Yes, in any situation except playing certain 3D games.

I use an i3-3225 to drive 1920x1080; it does very well at video
playback and random desktop use.

-dsr-


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Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-12 Thread Siard

On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:30:40 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> My ~/.fonts.conf lists several directories:
> 
> snip
> 
> 
> 
>   ~/.fonts
>   ~/fonts/sourcecodepro
>   ~/fonts/sourcesanspro
>   
> 
> snip
> 
> Each font family I use, consists of serveral font files, e.g. 6
> files for Adobe SourceCodePro, 13 files for Adobe SourceSansPro,
> etc.  To keep things clear I simply don't want to put all these
> files into one single directory,

Note that ~/fonts would be sufficient here.
For your own convenience you can put your fonts in any sub- or
sub-sub-directory and they will still be seen.

> neither into ~/.fonts (for a single user) nor into
> /usr/local/share/fonts (for all local users).

Under these, too, you can create any directory structure you like,
without having to specify it in ~/.fonts.conf.
Not sure why you prefer ~/fonts over one of these, but never mind,
it's not that important.

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sound problems after upgrade

2013-12-12 Thread Christopher Judd

Hi,

I have a testing box, kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64, using KDE.  After an 
upgrade earlier this week, I am having problems with sound.  The system is an 
MSI 760GM-P23 motherboard with onboard RealTek ALC887, and sound has always 
worked fine previously.

The problem is that there is no sound output from Amarok, or when 
I try to test the various sound devices from the KDE system config window.  
Sound works fine in VLC, however.

I have phonon configured to use the VLC-phonon backend; 
pulseaudio is not installed.  

How can I determine where the problem is, or which package is 
broken?  Thanks.

-Chris
 

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Re: Debian Wheezy Compromised - www-data user is sending 1000 emails an hour

2013-12-12 Thread Stephen Allen

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:12:57AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 08:57:57PM -0600, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> 
> >I run my own site, and I do have postfix, apache, wordpress, 
> >and moinmoin installed. www-data is sending 100s of emails a 
> >minute.
> 
> I hope you have by hook or crook pulled the plug on this system by 
> now. I believe you have had a close encounter of the maddening kind 
> with sql injection. I wish I had a quick url to which to send you, 
> but google 'sql injection php' after you shut down postfix.
> 
> May one ask what hosting provider are you using?
> 

He self hosts.


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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:21:34 +0100
Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 19:17 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > Still, if one has desire to blow legs off:
> 
> :D
> 
> > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y ; poweroff"
> 
> but I would recommend
> 
> sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff"

And I'd don't. 'dist-upgrade' can install new packages (and _usually_
nothing breaks from installing new packages), but more important - it
can _remove_ existing ones (and that _surely_ can break things).

'apt-get upgrade' on the other hand is usually considered safe enough.

Reco

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Re: XFCE4 DateTime applet - custom timezone

2013-12-12 Thread Nate Bargmann

* On 2013 12 Dec 03:05 -0600, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> I would like a second copy of DateTime in my panel, with a custom
> timezone - UTC for now.
> 
> Is this possible with xfce4-panel ?

I just added the Orage Clock Applet to my panel and can select the
timezone and configure it to display the time zone of choice, in this
case UTC.  It looks like every time zone known to the system is
available.

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Re: VirtualBox kernel mod compile fails

2013-12-12 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Wednesday 11 December 2013 21:53:18 Kent West wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 03:47 PM, Kent West wrote:
> > Looks like there may be a bug, as suggested by Ralf's first link:
> >> https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53126
> >
> > I'll try Ralf's solution:
> >> Likely a Debian related issue. I would use VirtualBox from
> >> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
>
> That worked; I downloaded the .deb from that site, and "dpkg -i"d
> it. Works great.

I have found this with VB from the repos and VB from upstream.  
Upstream works; sadly - I prefer to use stuff from the repos.

Lisi


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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 19:17 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > Still, if one has desire to blow legs off:
> 
> :D
> 
> > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y ; poweroff"
> 
> but I would recommend
> 
> sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff"

PS: Suggestion: Before running it, burning a live media and reading how
to use chroot, resp. making a backup of the whole Debian install and
reading how to restore it might be a good idea.



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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 19:17 +0400, Reco wrote:
> Still, if one has desire to blow legs off:

:D

> sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y ; poweroff"

but I would recommend

sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff"



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Re: udev rule for a kindle

On 13/12/13 01:30, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:32 +1100
> Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/12/13 01:01, Sharon Kimble wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a script for backing up my kindle when its first mounted,
>>> but its not running on mounting, but *does* run when invoked
>>> manually! When the kindle is mounted it should trigger this udev
>>> rule -
>>>

>>>
>>
>> Try (though I 'suspect" ACTION is unnecessary):-
>> ACTION=="add",SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1949",
>> ATTR{idProduct}=="0004", MODE="0666",
>> RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"
> 
> This is /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules as it is now -
> # saved to /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
> ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
> RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle" 
> #ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb",
> ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0004", MODE="0666",
> RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"
> Just two long lines, but the first line, #2 is actually quicker at
> displaying the kindle than #3, and it still is not automounted. 

Neither version "displays" the Kindle on my systems. udisks does. Your
udev rule makes no difference here.

> 
> I've attached a file 'kindlemount.txt' which shows the output of '
> udevadm monitor --udev', 'sudo grep Kindle /var/log/syslog', and
> 'lsusb'. 

Thankyou.

>>
>> Look at:-
>> $ grep kindle /var/log/syslog
>> you'll probably find "unknown key 'SYSFS" and other useful hints
>> also "udevadm monitor --kernel" and "udevadm monitor --udev" will give
>> you some real-time info about udev.
> 
> Theres no difference in the syslog whether I run with 'SYSFS' or
> 'ATTR', neither show up specifically

Does on my system:-

# nano /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
# cat /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
# one long line
ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
RUN+="/home/scott/kindle.sh"
# udevadm control --reload-rules
[plugs in Kindle]
#  grep kindle /var/log/syslog
Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: unknown key 'SYSFS{idVendor}' in
/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1
Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: invalid rule
'/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1'
[removes kindle]
# nano /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
# cat /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
#ACTION=="add",
# note that only ACTION is commented out, you'd commented out the whole
string. Uncommenting it makes no difference in my test.
SUBSYSTEM=="usb",ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0004",
MODE="0666", RUN+="/home/scott/kindle.sh
# udevadm control --reload-rules
[plugs in Kindle]
#  grep kindle /var/log/syslog
Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: unknown key 'SYSFS{idVendor}' in
/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1
Dec 13 01:40:59 vbserver udevd[5775]: invalid rule
'/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules:1'
[no new errors, but script *still* doesn't launch]

Sorry - no epiphanies. I'll have another think about it in the morning.

Kind regards.

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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:10:44 +0100
Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 18:57 +0400, Reco wrote:
> > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && poweroff"
> > 
> > That's more like it. Depending on a hardware, 'shutdown -h now' can
> > leave the power on.
> 
> :D We are close to solve it :D.
> 
> && apt-get upgrade -y && poweroff
>    if the upgrade fails, it won't shutdown, then
> it won't go off-line and be a big issue for the OP.

That's intentional. Failed upgrade needs human intervention, and that
trick is hard to accomplish if the box goes down.

Still, if one has desire to blow legs off:

sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y ; poweroff"

Reco


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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:10 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff"

sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run ; apt-get
dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff"

-y without a dry run :S, OTOH, the OP want's to go to sleep, so the
dry-run first doesn't improve something.

It's simply a bad idea to automate an upgrade. 




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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 18:57 +0400, Reco wrote:
> sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && poweroff"
> 
> That's more like it. Depending on a hardware, 'shutdown -h now' can
> leave the power on.

:D We are close to solve it :D.

&& apt-get upgrade -y && poweroff
   if the upgrade fails, it won't shutdown, then
it won't go off-line and be a big issue for the OP.

sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff"





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Re: XFCE4 DateTime applet - custom timezone


On Thursday 12 December 2013 02:34 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

I would like a second copy of DateTime in my panel, with a custom
timezone - UTC for now.

Is this possible with xfce4-panel ?



Seen this?
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/23218/how-to-add-a-custom-timezone-clock-to-an-xfce-panel

Sincerely,
Kailash


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Re: Reporting missing package during install

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:14:50 +0900
Osamu Aoki  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 09:09:53PM -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 08, 2013 07:27:41 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Du, 08 dec 13, 19:14:49, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > > > For me, I usually set up 'sudo su'
> > > 
> > > sudo has the '-s' and '-i' switches, why mix with 'su'?
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Andrei
> > 
> > 'sudo su' rolls off the fingers easier.
> 
> 'sudo sh' is as easy on finger (no shift) and do not feel as bad.  

Sure, if you don't mind using dash instead of bash, 'sudo sh' and 'sudo
su' are the same. 

Also, 'sudo su -' and 'sudo -i' set up all root environment variables
(specifically, $HOME). 'sudo sh' keeps $HOME, which can lead to
not-so-funny things.

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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

 Hi.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:58:35 +0100
"Gian Uberto Lauri"   wrote:

> Osamu Aoki writes:
>  > But I want one line solution :-)
>  > 
>  >  sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; shutdown -h now"
> 
> But there is the case where apt-get want a reply for the user and that
> is 'N' :) !! Baka!!! :)

sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && poweroff"

That's more like it. Depending on a hardware, 'shutdown -h now' can
leave the power on.

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Re: nautilus -> spacefm




I'm using 'nemo' now, and things like my
kindle appear when plugged in but need to be manually mounted, but I
can live with that.


Have you looked at udisks-glue?

udisks-glue is useful for automatically mounting removable devices or
running arbitrary commands.

Sincerely,
Kailash


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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

Ralf Mardorf writes:
 > On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 15:33 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 > > Sorry, it may ask if it has to preserve or not a configuration file
 > > modified locally when a new version arrives with the package.
 > 
 > Good point, I don't use apt that often, because my "main" distro isn't
 > Debian. I guess there's an option to always confirm.

Indeed, and is -Y, but there are some cases where it's bad, i.e. when
the answer must be no :)

 > Btw. dist-upgrade
 > anyway might be better than upgrade.

Thank you for sending me back to the man page to check the real
meaning of dist-upgrade! I thought it was for hot distribution level
upgrade but it has also an use for normal software packet updating.

I thik I will stick to upgrade and accept to have some packet held
back. My work was not hindered by that, at least until now...

O.K. for work I use almost non-debian distributed software...

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Re: udev rule for a kindle

2013-12-12 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:32 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

> On 12/12/13 01:01, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> > 
> > I have a script for backing up my kindle when its first mounted,
> > but its not running on mounting, but *does* run when invoked
> > manually! When the kindle is mounted it should trigger this udev
> > rule -
> > 
> > # saved to /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules ACTION=="add",\ 
> > SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",\ 
> > RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"
> > 
> > but its not happening. The script 'obkindle' has it being
> > executable from all users, so it should in theory be executable by
> > the system when the kindle is mounted. According to 'lsusb' the
> > kindle is recognised as -
> > 
> > Bus 001 Device 018: ID 1949:0004 Lab126, Inc. Amazon Kindle
> > 3/4/Paperwhite
> 
> To get the correct udev parameters for the device:-
> udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n $mount) | less
> 
> where $mount is where it is mounted
> 
> 
> > 
> > Can anyone show me where and why its not running on mounting please?
> 
> No. Sorry, but I can point you at where it's not working (bad tag). My
> Kindle "just works". SOLID/udisk/KDE/Wheezy automagically mounts the
> internal storage at /media/Kindle (and Calibre detects it).
> 
> You do know your Kindle *is* Linux and easy to root right? I back up
> the Linux, but not the ELibrary (storage) as that's a (partial)
> backup of my Calibre collection.
> 
> > 
> > Thanks Sharon.
> > 
> 
> Try (though I 'suspect" ACTION is unnecessary):-
> ACTION=="add",SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1949",
> ATTR{idProduct}=="0004", MODE="0666",
> RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"

This is /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules as it is now -
# saved to /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules
ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle" 
#ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb",
ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0004", MODE="0666",
RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle"
Just two long lines, but the first line, #2 is actually quicker at
displaying the kindle than #3, and it still is not automounted. 

I've attached a file 'kindlemount.txt' which shows the output of '
udevadm monitor --udev', 'sudo grep Kindle /var/log/syslog', and
'lsusb'. 
> 
> Look at:-
> $ grep kindle /var/log/syslog
> you'll probably find "unknown key 'SYSFS" and other useful hints
> also "udevadm monitor --kernel" and "udevadm monitor --udev" will give
> you some real-time info about udev.

Theres no difference in the syslog whether I run with 'SYSFS' or
'ATTR', neither show up specifically
> 
> Don't forget to "# udevadm control --reload-rules" when you add a new
> udev rule.
> 
You're right, I did forget, but thanks for the reminder. :)

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 15:33 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Sorry, it may ask if it has to preserve or not a configuration file
> modified locally when a new version arrives with the package.

Good point, I don't use apt that often, because my "main" distro isn't
Debian. I guess there's an option to always confirm. Btw. dist-upgrade
anyway might be better than upgrade.

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Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy

On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 01:29 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 13/12/13 00:59, Wally Lepore wrote:
> > http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm
> 
> Wow! What a... site :/

For newbies it's hard to search for information about Linux, because
they don't know the terms, as long as they don't know the structure of
Linux and in addition it's hard to distinguish the good, the bad and the
ugly websites.

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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

Ralf Mardorf writes:
 > On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 14:58 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 > > Osamu Aoki writes:
 > >  > But I want one line solution :-)
 > >  > 
 > >  >  sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; shutdown -h now"
 > > 
 > > But there is the case where apt-get want a reply for the user and that
 > > is 'N' :) !! Baka!!! :)
 > 
 > apt-get upgrade will ask the user to upgrade or not and that is wanted,
 > assumed the update was successful.

Sorry, it may ask if it has to preserve or not a configuration file
modified locally when a new version arrives with the package.

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Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy

On 13/12/13 00:59, Wally Lepore wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Recently completed a successful install of Wheezy in Virtual Box. Runs
> great but slow (for obvious reasons). I'm not looking for
> speed/performance at this point but just looking to learn the
> interface, access and perform functions in terminal (as well as root
> terminal) and run basic programs.
> 
> I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's
> possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about
> this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too
> advanced.
> 
> The link below was helpful but then it became difficult to understand.
> I prefer not to start executing commands in root terminal if the
> instructions are a bit overwhelming (at my current level of
> understanding).
> 
> http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm

Wow! What a... site :/



NOTE: these sources *are* affiliated with the Debian Project

https://wiki.debian.org/Software
https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement
(not so great) https://wiki.debian.org/OpenOffice


Try http://debian-handbook.info/ for a recent, simple, accurate and very
complete guide.


> 
> I'm searching for a complete beginners guide that details "simple to
> understand instructions" on "How to install packages" as well as other
> general "how-to's" in Wheezy (current stable). I would much appreciate
> any links and/or suggestions.
> 
> My initial interest is to install "OpenOffice". I understand wheezy
> has LibreOffice aready installed but I need OpenOffice as well for a
> project I'm currently working on.

You don't say what parts of Wheezy (2+ packages) you've installed,
I'm presuming GNOME. Someone here can advice you on how to use the GUI
package manager for GNOME (I 'think' it's Synaptic).
http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.apt-frontends.html#idm140081895704256

Not difficult to install. If you know what a console is and how to
become root it's just a matter of, as root, typing:-
apt-get install -y openoffice.org

> 
> Thank you kindly for your patience and help.
> 
> System Specs:
> Acer netbook D255
> Windows 7 (host OS)
> Virtual Box (running debian/wheezy ver. 7.2.0 for i386 as the guest OS)
> 
> 


When you're more comfortable installing software in Debian you may wish
to run the latest Apache OpenOffice.org. See:-
http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/dists/wheezy/


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Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy

2013-12-12 Thread Ron Leach


On 12/12/2013 13:59, Wally Lepore wrote:

I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's
possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about
this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too
advanced.





I'm searching for a complete beginners guide that details "simple to
understand instructions" on "How to install packages" as well as other
general "how-to's" in Wheezy (current stable). I would much appreciate
any links and/or suggestions.




Already installed on your machine will (should) be this FAQ:

file:///usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/index.en.html

Browse to it with your web browser.  From this contents list, section 
8 provides a fair bit of information.  Appreciate you are looking for 
simple descriptions, so you may want to skim some of this.


Once you begin to feel your way around, you want to 'search' for Open 
Office.  Software for installing is held in 'repositories', so you 
will need to search them for open office.  I use a GUI for that, 
Synaptic, but if you are using terminal, the Aptitude program may help 
you.


I was a bit confused at first, too.  Don't do what I did, which was to 
install packages (*.deb) direct from source sites - the Debian 
installation ends up getting a bit cluttered with co-existing older 
and newer versions of things.  I recommend sticking with Debian 
releases of programs, if at all possible.


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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 14:58 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Osamu Aoki writes:
>  > But I want one line solution :-)
>  > 
>  >  sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; shutdown -h now"
> 
> But there is the case where apt-get want a reply for the user and that
> is 'N' :) !! Baka!!! :)

apt-get upgrade will ask the user to upgrade or not and that is wanted,
assumed the update was successful. This line is ok, I just have doubts
if there is anything less good with using sudo sh, I will ask detailed
about it in some minutes, since I have to reboot first.

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Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)

On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 00:21:18 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:

> The man page for Xsession documents ~/.xsessionrc and ~/.xsession.  It
> says that ~/.xsessionrc is only for setting variables and the
> ~/.xsession is for executing commands.  (But in reality this is a grey
> area.)

Let's attempt to get a colour transformation to black and white. :)

Firstly: .xsessionrc is for holding ***global environment*** variables.
The emphasis is mine.

Secondly: 40x11-common_xsessionrc in /etc/X11/Xsession.d is sourced
before 50x11-common_determine-startup. So .xsessionrc is read before
.xsession and any environment variables set will become available to
applications run by the commands in .xsession.

Thirdly: Everyone likes a test to do. :) Create .xsessionrc with
contents similar to these:

   xterm &
   TZ='GST-10' ; export TZ
   exec 

Now execute 'startx'. You have a functioning system? Execute 'date'.

Putting commands in .xsessionrc is very naughty. Are you still there,
Charlie? For your own good, please stop doing it.

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How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy

2013-12-12 Thread Wally Lepore

Hi Folks,

Recently completed a successful install of Wheezy in Virtual Box. Runs
great but slow (for obvious reasons). I'm not looking for
speed/performance at this point but just looking to learn the
interface, access and perform functions in terminal (as well as root
terminal) and run basic programs.

I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's
possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about
this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too
advanced.

The link below was helpful but then it became difficult to understand.
I prefer not to start executing commands in root terminal if the
instructions are a bit overwhelming (at my current level of
understanding).

http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm

I'm searching for a complete beginners guide that details "simple to
understand instructions" on "How to install packages" as well as other
general "how-to's" in Wheezy (current stable). I would much appreciate
any links and/or suggestions.

My initial interest is to install "OpenOffice". I understand wheezy
has LibreOffice aready installed but I need OpenOffice as well for a
project I'm currently working on.

Thank you kindly for your patience and help.

System Specs:
Acer netbook D255
Windows 7 (host OS)
Virtual Box (running debian/wheezy ver. 7.2.0 for i386 as the guest OS)

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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

Osamu Aoki writes:
 > But I want one line solution :-)
 > 
 >  sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; shutdown -h now"

But there is the case where apt-get want a reply for the user and that
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Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed

2013-12-12 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 02:38:45PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> One way would be to use a script that runs e.g. apt-get and then the
> shutdown command.
>
> #!/bin/sh
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
> shutdown -h now # or poweroff or halt

> > >> If you want it shut down regardless of the outcome of apt, then this
> > >> should do it:
> > >>
> > >> sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo shutdown -h now
> > > 
> > > Wrong, if the upgrade should take to long, then you need to type the
> > > password after the upgrade. Better run
> > > 
> > > $ sudo -i
> > > # apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; shutdown -h now

I think Ralf is right on everything he mentioned.

But I want one line solution :-)

 sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; shutdown -h now"

Osamu


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Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)

2013-12-12 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 07:53:20PM +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote:
> Hi,
> I was a GNOME user and recently I switched to XFCE in Debian to see
> how things works here after reading that XFCE would be the default
> DE in the upcoming Debian Jessie. BTW, TrueType Fonts (TTF) would
> open in GNOME with a dialog box, and it was just one-click away. But
> here in XFCE, I see nothing that can open the TTFs. That's why I
> cannot install them easily here. So, how can I do that?
> With thanks,
> Muntasim-Ul-Haque

#1: install from package nmanagers:
  package name starting with: fonts- (all Debian supplied fonts)

#2: install non-Debian fonts.
  Put font files in ~/.fonts/ directory.

Osamu


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Re: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-12 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 09:09:53PM -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Sunday, December 08, 2013 07:27:41 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Du, 08 dec 13, 19:14:49, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > > For me, I usually set up 'sudo su'
> > 
> > sudo has the '-s' and '-i' switches, why mix with 'su'?
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
> 
> 'sudo su' rolls off the fingers easier.

'sudo sh' is as easy on finger (no shift) and do not feel as bad.  

Osamu


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Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install

2013-12-12 Thread Iain M Conochie

On 12/12/13 11:43, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:

Iain M Conochie writes:

  > > I got it about 20 years ago. Is it enough?
  > Mayeb - just maybe ;)

Indeed, never be sure! :)

  > > You say it. It is not bullet proof. The bullet has already pierced the
  > > target once. Therefore it may happen again.
  > May - but not assured.

Indeed. You usually prepare for bad things hoping they'll never
arrive.
Exactly! Kinda like house fire insurance (or any kind of insurance for 
that matter I guess)

  > Then I guess i should have stated passphrase for your encryption, not
  > password for access to the machine.

A good passphrase for the encription will slow down (even halt if you
are lucky) an attacker that has complete control of your machine,
while no password will protect a computer that is physically in the
hands of the enemy.

Is that a statement we can agree ? BTW, it's my point of view.

Yes - especially if you say no password will completely protect a computer.

  > > I think that the security problems that sudo could pose with the
  > > default configuration could really be "useful" in a situation where
  > > you need a large number of bots. What could trigger this? a large user
  > > base with a majority of non-tech aware users.
  >
  > Wait - so by default you mean having a NOPASSWD entry or have an entry
  > that allows certain users to enter a password when using sudo and then
  > having a time where they do not need to? - The reason I ask is that I
  > have never seen a NOPASSWD entry be default.

No, having one user with ALL=(ALL) ALL by default AND having

credential caching.

The problem is not strictly technical. There is no technical difference in
guarding an account with id 0:0 that you can access by direct logon or
having root unreachable by logon and one user that can become root via
su or sudo.

The problem is in the usage of the account, it's a psychological one:
your everyday account is your everyday account, and using it with
strict security - as appropriate for an administrative account - could
be what someone labels "a PITA". And this relaxed behaviour may lead
to security breaches.

Credential cache hijacking in sudo is one of the paths an attacker may
use: the change of the timestamp was a trivial one to find and has
been fixed; I fear that subtler attacks may be possible.

And in these case is not that sudo is misbehaving. My opinion is that
the poor program as been abused.

Yup - i agree with all of this.

Cheers

Iain

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Re: Maximum RAM

2013-12-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 12/12/2013 2:42 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> Perhaps because 64-bit gives their use case brings disadvantage but no
> advantages? Perhaps for other reasons. To assume that you *should* use
> 64-bit in all cases is incorrect.

There are old 32 bit PAE only machines around with plenty of capability
today, albeit with a lot more space and power consumption for the
performance.  Take the Unisys ES7000 Orion 230 for example.  It's a 32
processor Foster Xeon 72" mainframe, 32 bit PAE only CPUs.  Original
price when new in 2001 was ~$300,000 USD.  Today?  A few thousand, if
you could find a complete working unit at a surplus equipment dealer or
on Ebay.

CPU count:  32
CPU type:   Intel Xeon MP Foster, first gen NetBurst
Specs:  1.4-1.6 GHz, 256KB L2, 1MB L3
System cache:   256MB static RAM, 32MB per 4 CPU module, 8 modules
System RAM: 64GB ECC SDRAM, 128x 512 MB DIMMs, 32-way interleaved
RAM bandwidth:  20 GB/s sustained, 25.6 GB/s peak
IO Slots:   64 PCI 2.1 66 MHz
32 PCI 2.1 33 MHz
IO Bandwidth:   5 GB/s sustained

There are a number of workloads at which this 13 year old PAE only
system would offer excellent performance today.  It would make one
heckuva server for web, mail, database, etc.  It would have decent SETI
or Folding throughput though individual work unit processing would be
pretty slow compared to today's CPUs.  You'd be hard pressed to find a
32 bit PCI FC400/800 or SAS controller, but Intel still sells a PCI GbE
card.  This allows for MPIO iSCSI over multiple HBAs and GbE links to
modern iSCSI SAN RAID arrays.  Say 16 HBAs, 4 links to each of 4 arrays
with 24x 2.5" SAS drives, 96 drives total, 3.2 GB/s throughput.

This is obviously an obscure and unlikely scenario, but it is a good
example of why one would choose to run a PAE kernel.

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