Re: xfce4-panels - bottom panel disappeared off the screen, after reboot without docking the laptop
On Sunday 15 December 2013 09:43 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 12/15/13, Kailash Kalyani wrote: On Sunday 15 December 2013 07:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Any idea if there is some way to bring back my bottom xfce4-panel? I started with two external monitors, 1920x1200. I logout (save session on exit), shutdown. Un-dock the laptop (disconnecting both monitors). Now reboot (laptop only). Laptop has 1366x768 resolution. I log in to linux console, then run startx from there. left hand dock is visible bottom dock is not to be seen, even after changing virtual desktops When you go the xfce-panel preferences you should see a drop-down which lists all your active panels. Yes, Panel 0 and Panel 1. Panel 0 is my bottom panel, which I've selected. http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences On this page, "Orientation" appears to match what I'm seeing as "Mode". You could reposition it from there. I only see General -> Mode -> [ Horizontal | Vertical | Deskbar ] and no "panel position" (such as top, bottom, etc). There is "Lock panel", which, when I disable this, I have panel handles, and can then move the panel up or down that particular (xinerama) 'screen', but not onto the other 'screen', and there is no option in the panel preferences to position the panel. So no, I can't move my panel so that it is visible. Even running xrandr does not fix it, with or without the laptop being docked (and plugged into my external monitors). Even killall xfce4-panel and restarting them, does not cause my bottom panel to become visible... infuriating... And a related one here: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=20380 Hope this helps... K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ad5b57.6050...@gmail.com
Re: xfce4-panels - bottom panel disappeared off the screen, after reboot without docking the laptop
On Sunday 15 December 2013 09:43 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 12/15/13, Kailash Kalyani wrote: On Sunday 15 December 2013 07:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Any idea if there is some way to bring back my bottom xfce4-panel? I started with two external monitors, 1920x1200. I logout (save session on exit), shutdown. Un-dock the laptop (disconnecting both monitors). Now reboot (laptop only). Laptop has 1366x768 resolution. I log in to linux console, then run startx from there. left hand dock is visible bottom dock is not to be seen, even after changing virtual desktops When you go the xfce-panel preferences you should see a drop-down which lists all your active panels. Yes, Panel 0 and Panel 1. Panel 0 is my bottom panel, which I've selected. http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences On this page, "Orientation" appears to match what I'm seeing as "Mode". You could reposition it from there. I only see General -> Mode -> [ Horizontal | Vertical | Deskbar ] and no "panel position" (such as top, bottom, etc). There is "Lock panel", which, when I disable this, I have panel handles, and can then move the panel up or down that particular (xinerama) 'screen', but not onto the other 'screen', and there is no option in the panel preferences to position the panel. So no, I can't move my panel so that it is visible. Even running xrandr does not fix it, with or without the laptop being docked (and plugged into my external monitors). Even killall xfce4-panel and restarting them, does not cause my bottom panel to become visible... infuriating... Hi Zenaan, There's a similar bug report here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677645 Sincerely, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ad5aff.40...@gmail.com
Re: taming syslog
Tony van der Hoff wrote: > So I thought I'd try to suppress these messages in syslog. Some googling > and reading man (5) syslog.conf, I decided that the line On Debian Wheezy the default is now rsyslog which has replaced the previous sysklogd package. AFAIK the rsyslog uses /etc/rsyslog.conf not /etc/syslog.conf and the man page is rsyslog.conf not syslog.conf. Which means you are probably still using the previous sysklogd package. In which case you might try installing the new rsyslog as that is the current maintenance track. I can't say that things will work but since it is different software it might behave differently. It might work. But the previous sysklogd should too. And if the new rsyslog does not then at least it is the current package in Wheezy and the maintainers would be available for bug reports. # apt-get install rsyslog > *.*;auth,authpriv.none-/var/log/syslog > was the culprit, and changed it to > *.*;auth,authpriv.none;!mail.*-/var/log/syslog I didn't try it but it seems reasonable to me. > Unfortunately, now nothing gets logged to syslog; I would at least > expect the usual crop of iptables reports, unless the baddies have given > up for christmas. Mail is still logged to mail.log, so that's OK. You can always test by using the "logger" command. Try sending a message there. $ logger -t foo "a test message" > Can anyone please tell me the correct way to go about this, please? What you did looked okay to me. But note that I didn't have time to try it. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xfce4-panels - bottom panel disappeared off the screen, after reboot without docking the laptop
On 12/15/13, Kailash Kalyani wrote: > On Sunday 15 December 2013 07:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Any idea if there is some way to bring back my bottom xfce4-panel? >> I started with two external monitors, 1920x1200. >> I logout (save session on exit), shutdown. >> Un-dock the laptop (disconnecting both monitors). >> Now reboot (laptop only). Laptop has 1366x768 resolution. >> I log in to linux console, then run startx from there. >> left hand dock is visible >> bottom dock is not to be seen, even after changing virtual desktops > When you go the xfce-panel preferences you should see a drop-down which > lists all your active panels. Yes, Panel 0 and Panel 1. Panel 0 is my bottom panel, which I've selected. > http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences On this page, "Orientation" appears to match what I'm seeing as "Mode". > You could reposition it from there. I only see General -> Mode -> [ Horizontal | Vertical | Deskbar ] and no "panel position" (such as top, bottom, etc). There is "Lock panel", which, when I disable this, I have panel handles, and can then move the panel up or down that particular (xinerama) 'screen', but not onto the other 'screen', and there is no option in the panel preferences to position the panel. So no, I can't move my panel so that it is visible. Even running xrandr does not fix it, with or without the laptop being docked (and plugged into my external monitors). Even killall xfce4-panel and restarting them, does not cause my bottom panel to become visible... infuriating... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSR0YteG17gTbyk+jxWj-6c9qZAN=tqfvze3zb9koy2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xfce4-panels - bottom panel disappeared off the screen, after reboot without docking the laptop
On Sunday 15 December 2013 07:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Any idea if there is some way to bring back my bottom xfce4-panel? I started with two external monitors, 1920x1200. I logout (save session on exit), shutdown. Un-dock the laptop (disconnecting both monitors). Now reboot (laptop only). Laptop has 1366x768 resolution. left hand dock is visible bottom dock is not to be seen, even after changing virtual desktops I log in to linux console, then run startx from there. TIA Zenaan Hi Zenaan, When you go the xfce-panel preferences you should see a drop-down which lists all your active panels. http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences You could reposition it from there. Sincerely, K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ad1ea2.8040...@gmail.com
update-grub hangs when starting with systemd
Anyone know why update-grub would hang when started with systemd? Here is a successful normal run after booting with sysvinit: $ sudo update-grub Generating grub.cfg ... Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.11-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.11-2-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.9-1-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.9-1-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.8-2-rt-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.8-2-rt-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-3-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-3-amd64 No volume groups found Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1 Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda2 done When booting with systemd, the last line of the above that I see is as follows: No volume groups found Then a Ctrl-C causes a few more lines to be displayed, and I repeat this 3 more times to finally get back to a command prompt. Here is how it goes under systemd: $ sudo update-grub Generating grub.cfg ... Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.11-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.11-2-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.9-1-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.9-1-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.8-2-rt-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.8-2-rt-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-3-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-3-amd64 No volume groups found ^Cgrep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/raided-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/swaps-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/mounted-map: No such file or directory ^Cgrep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/raided-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/swaps-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/mounted-map: No such file or directory ^Cgrep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/raided-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/swaps-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/mounted-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/raided-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/swaps-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/mounted-map: No such file or directory ^Cgrep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/raided-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/swaps-map: No such file or directory grep: /tmp/os-prober.kY4cAH/mounted-map: No such file or directory $ Any guidance appreciated, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSD8GiBUxo=7kaos5c0cr-nvyle1-y8mt-0h7t9ft1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: systemd: truecrypt fails to mount with "Failed to set up a loop device: /my-data-file.tc"
On 12/15/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > When booting with systemd, I can no longer mount truecrypt volumes, > with a pop-up error window displaying this message: > > Failed to set up a loop device: /my-data-file.tc Turns out, loop devices were no longer being created on bootup. I have following line in /etc/modules : loop max_loop=11 So I manually created a loop device, and all was good. I shall do some more testing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSOydzupeyhLKVxMh-NaqOYDs42VAguf4gdEbqW=-e...@mail.gmail.com
xfce4-panels - bottom panel disappeared off the screen, after reboot without docking the laptop
Any idea if there is some way to bring back my bottom xfce4-panel? I started with two external monitors, 1920x1200. I logout (save session on exit), shutdown. Un-dock the laptop (disconnecting both monitors). Now reboot (laptop only). Laptop has 1366x768 resolution. left hand dock is visible bottom dock is not to be seen, even after changing virtual desktops I log in to linux console, then run startx from there. TIA Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRd1tyO+bx2TDy9PDGi2wBBnV+ZSy_OsXTc0S_A--8=k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On 12/14/2013 10:48 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:21:22 -0500 (EST), Patrick Bartek wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. But [snip] (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source [snip] (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a [snip] Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel free to ask follow-up questions. >>> >>> What's your budget? >>> ... >> >> Good question. I'm not sure what things cost these days; but for >> planning purposes, lets try a ballpark figure of somewhere around >> $500 US. If I find that I cannot get what I want for that price, I >> may be willing to spend more. > > $500, I think, is overly optimistic. My main system which I built from > components cost $600 seven years ago. And I even used parts (graphics > card, DVD burner, keyboard, mouse, and CRT monitor) from my previous > system to keep the cost down. It had a single core 2.0 GHZ Athlon64 It highly depends on whether one wants a "business" system (which will be around $600 or $700 I guess) or a "consumer" system, which one could get at $400 to $500: http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-660s/pd?oc=fdcwsx389&model_id=inspiron-660s Since I have first used a "business"-class computer I have decided to _never_ buy a "consumer" device again (as long as there are not strong reasons for doing so) but that might be a matter of personal taste (many people think I am wasting money on that preference). I have not bought any Dell computer recently, so I can not comment on the quality. Also, I have not explicitly researched for the Linux compatibility on the system but that is easy to do. If I understood the requirements correctly, the system linked above might be a solution. (It still has a Windows License included however). My general advice would be to look at the large companies' offers (business or consumer / following preferences) and if the price for the consumer version is too high, start comparing the individual parts. Also, I would look for tests in computer magazines. HTH Linux-Fan -- http://masysma.ohost.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: sid? + xfce + kdm + systemd => problem
On 12/15/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > 1) > I have only ever run eg the following, to disable a service (under > sysvinit): > cd /etc/init.d > mv S20kdm K20kdm systemctl disable kdm works fine here, and shows the sysvinit command that it runs for me: Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d kdm disable > 4) > When I startup with systemd, kdm auto-starts, even though I've run > step 1) above. > KDM does not start automatically with sysvinit, only with systemd. > This looks like a bug. This could be classified I guess as PEBKAC, since the "proper" way to disable kdm service (in sysvinit) was not done by me. update-rc.d kdm disable seems to have changed kdm to K01kdm - not sure why the K-number would have such a significant bearing on systemd's startup ... Probably only a "feature enhancement request" type bug for this one, however, should systemd become "official debian default", a lot of others may strike this issue on their next upgrade (conjecture of course). > 5) > Step 4) would not be so much of a problem, but as I explained in a > separate thread that I began, when kdm is started and I log in to XFCE > that way, my window manager keyboard shortcuts do NOT work. There's a separate thread for this one. I'll leave it to that thread. Thanks Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnstinfdvoxc5foyjzx9tjzmw21wygt2tc7z7_ufu5yy...@mail.gmail.com
systemd hanging on ls -l /media/
When I run ls -l /media/, the command hangs. Ctrl-C breaks the hang. For a minute or two, I get this: $ ls -l /media/ ^Cls: cannot access /media/SNAP01: Interrupted system call Now I get just this when I Ctrl-C: $ ls /media/ -l ^C Also (with artificial newlines added by me, to compensate for email wrapping): $ mount sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=1007568,mode=755) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000) tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=1615320k,mode=755) /dev/disk/by-uuid/e73a71d3-a391-40bc-9d45-55fa72f245c1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,journal_checksum,journal_async_commit,errors=remount- ro,min_batch_time=1000,data=ordered) securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) tmpfs on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=755) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,xattr,release_agent=/lib/systemd /systemd-cgroups-agent,name=systemd) pstore on /sys/fs/pstore type pstore (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,cpuset) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu,cpuacct type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,cpuacct,cpu) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/devices type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,devices) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/freezer type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,freezer) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/net_cls type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,net_cls) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/blkio type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,blkio) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/perf_event type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,perf_event) systemd-1 on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=25,pgrp=1,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct) systemd-1 on /media/SNAP01 type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=36,pgrp=1,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct) systemd-1 on /media/z55 type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=37,pgrp=1,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct) debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw,relatime) hugetlbfs on /dev/hugepages type hugetlbfs (rw,relatime) mqueue on /dev/mqueue type mqueue (rw,relatime) fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw,relatime) /dev/disk/by-uuid/e73a71d3-a391-40bc-9d45-55fa72f245c1 on /home/justa type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,journal_checksum,journal_async_commit,errors=remount- ro,min_batch_time=1000,data=ordered) tmpfs on /run/user type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=102400k,mode=755) tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k) /dev/sda3 on /boot type ext2 (rw,relatime) rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw,relatime) gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,relatime) $ cat /etc/fstab UUID=e73a71d3-a391-40bc-9d45-55fa72f245c1 / ext4 errors=remount-ro,nodiratime,noatime,user_xattr,journal_async_commit,min_batch_time=1000 0 1 # /boot was on /dev/sda3 during installation UUID=75e1d222-c9df-4d10-93de-9da4cf005158 /boot ext2 defaults 0 2 # swap was on /dev/sda6 during installation UUID=25d4ff20-1c78-4e1d-bd2a-2a0060e85f9a none swap sw /zenlocal/justa /home/justa none bind UUID=9E18AD0C18ACE50D /media/c ntfs-3g defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto UUID=3EE6330B1FADCDD2 /media/SNAP01 ntfs-3g defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,posixovl,nodiratime,noatime,comment=systemd.automount UUID=6fce0b79-b658-4072-af58-376a5630c190 /media/z55 ext3 user,nodiratime,noatime,comment=systemd.automount /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb2 /media/usb1 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb3 /media/usb2 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb4 /media/usb3 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb5 /media/usb4 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsrrhnzx2ak5asikrvzjgaz_02ievdee71gmvemz3sr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sudo umount hangs when booting with systemd
On 12/15/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 12/15/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> /etc/fstab : > >> /zenlocal/zen/justa /home/justa none bind >> /zenlocal/zen/ /home/justa/zen none bind > > Removing these solved the problem. > Another small issue that arose when I uncommented the first of the > above two lines, was that > ls -lF / > would hand, similarly to the mount hang. That problem's gone too now. "would hang" that should be. Notably, ls -l / would not hang, only ls -lF / . So it was the -F or --classify option to ls which stumbled upon systemd's mount internals, it seems. Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSTLS9TKJ=zfisbscebxxntpra1cm0gqtqvsshwg8wo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: startx (with no per-user config) works, kdm has _issues_
On 12/13/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > So I have no per-user config, such as ~/.xinitrc , ~/.xsession and > ~/.xsessionrc . > > startx after linux console login works well. That is, to start xfce > When I login to Linux console, then run > sudo service kdm start, and then login from there to xfce, > my XFCE4 keyboard shortcuts don't work (Settings -> Keyboard -> > Application Shortcuts). Is it reasonable, or unreasonable, to use KDM as my graphical login manager to log in to XFCE4? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnss-ttrb5nrcmkb0kcusj33p0ce1hfobketrreadu++...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sudo umount hangs when booting with systemd
On 12/15/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > /etc/fstab : > /zenlocal/zen/justa /home/justa none bind > /zenlocal/zen/ /home/justa/zen none bind Removing these solved the problem. I have unwound my two bind mount mounts (with the sequence as above - not recursive, but the latter bind mounted inside the former bind mount), and systemd no longer borks in its hanging way. I now just use a single bind mount. I had things set up the way I did, to assist in the days when I had multiple debian and ubuntu installs, and would choose here and there between them. Another small issue that arose when I uncommented the first of the above two lines, was that ls -lF / would hand, similarly to the mount hang. That problem's gone too now. SOLVED Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsqgriw4mroyeaht1eaonjqszuqomsuqtbac-smzhqt...@mail.gmail.com
sudo umount hangs when booting with systemd
I have a directory /media/USB01 Nothing is mounted on this directory. When I run the following, after booting up with systemd, the command hangs: sudo umount /media/USB01 A Ctrl-C breaks the hang. $ cat /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # # / was on /dev/sda5 during installation UUID=e73a71d3-a391-40bc-9d45-55fa72f245c1 / ext4 errors=remount-ro,nodiratime,noatime,user_xattr,journal_async_commit,min_batch_time=1000 0 1 # /boot was on /dev/sda3 during installation UUID=75e1d222-c9df-4d10-93de-9da4cf005158 /boot ext2 defaults 0 2 # swap was on /dev/sda6 during installation UUID=25d4ff20-1c78-4e1d-bd2a-2a0060e85f9a none swap sw # The following is done by /etc/default/rcS "RAMTMP=yes" option #tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nodiratime,noatime,mode=1777 #/zenlocal/zen/justa /home/justa none bind,comment=systemd.automount /zenlocal/zen/justa /home/justa none bind /zenlocal/zen/ /home/justa/zen none bind UUID=9E18AD0C18ACE50D /media/c ntfs-3g defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto UUID=3EE6330B1FADCDD2 /media/SNAP01 ntfs-3g defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,posixovl,nodiratime,noatime,comment=systemd.automount UUID=6fce0b79-b658-4072-af58-376a5630c190 /media/z55 ext3 user,nodiratime,noatime,comment=systemd.automount /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb2 /media/usb1 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb3 /media/usb2 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb4 /media/usb3 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 /dev/sdb5 /media/usb4 auto rw,user,noauto,nodiratime,noatime 0 0 Perhaps these two lines above are causing a problem for systemd's auto- stuff?: /zenlocal/zen/justa /home/justa none bind /zenlocal/zen/ /home/justa/zen none bind Also, ls /media/ works, but ls -l /media/ similarly hangs! Again, Ctrl-C aborts the hung command. Any ideas? Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnst4jij-bbmu+d3fo0wbt5_9hctfdgooyesjcuatfcp...@mail.gmail.com
systemd: truecrypt fails to mount with "Failed to set up a loop device: /my-data-file.tc"
When booting with systemd, I can no longer mount truecrypt volumes, with a pop-up error window displaying this message: Failed to set up a loop device: /my-data-file.tc Any ideas? This has not happened normally - I use truecrypt every day just about. TIA Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnstnqbie2waybtkkya1t5rcahmuk0+u3zy7ecpbvjdc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: taming syslog
On 12/15/13, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Running wheezy, fully up-to-date, with quite a busy postfix mail server, > my syslog is filling up with multi-millions of mail messages. Whilst > So I thought I'd try to suppress these messages in syslog. Some googling > Unfortunately, now nothing gets logged to syslog; I would at least > Can anyone please tell me the correct way to go about this, please? Use systemd? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnstyhhml3sju_4k4car7pjixx3fmmloi_la+he95w4n...@mail.gmail.com
Using the GPU on the Intel i7-477
Hi all, I’ve got a server running Debian 7.1 Wheezy which uses an Intel Haswell i7-477 processor. This processor should have an on-board GPU that I’d like to use - first for scientific calculations using BOINC, and later for automated video rendering possibly. However, I don’t think Debian natively supports the GPU on that processor, so I was just wondering if someone on here could tell me how I can get any appropriate drivers / libraries for that? Many thanks for any help! Robin signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: dselect in wheezy; Old timers question
John W. Foster, 14.12.2013: > I'm managing a couple of remote VPS servers with no GUI access except > putty. I have been using dselect to assist with this process & up to > yesterday it worked well as it has for years. I did a apt-get > distupgrade and all went as expected and the system is running fine. > However after I did the upgrade from old stable to wheezy, I decided > that I needed to get an upgraded openjdk-7-jre installed for the game > systems I'm running. When I did that the dselect decided I needed a lot > of extra stuff to go along and I hit 'ctrl x' to abandon those changes. > I reloaded the selections available and went into get ONLY the jre that > I needed using apt-get install & the entire load of X related stuff > popped up. Now I have tried to clear the caches of dselect and apt but > they all seem stuck. Running apt-get clean & autoclean do not clear the > dselect picked dependencies. > > Any ideas on how to get the dependencies & suggested selections cleared > out. Hello, fellow dselect old-timer. :) You should have hit X, not Ctrl-X, Anyway, here's what 'man dselect' says: If you mistakenly establish some settings and wish to revert all the selections to what is currently installed on the system, press the 'C' key. This is somewhat similar to using the unhold command on all pack‐ ages, but provides a more obvious panic button in cases where the user pressed enter by accident. (The previous paragraph was about using X to back out changes. The screen in which you should have done that is the context of the "pressed enter by accident".) I never tried this. Let us know how it works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214220953.ga12...@cs.utexas.edu
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
Pavel Volkov wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up
> > such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because
> > there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all
> > about being able to upgrade.
>
> It's great to hear that, I never upgraded Debian the official way (only
> reinstalled, for a few reasons).
In my opinion one of the best features of Debian is that it supports
upgrades. It isn't necessary to reinstall. At worst it is easier to
take some _packages_ (some packages not the system, such as GNOME or
KDE) off the system before doing a full upgrade and then re-installing
those packages. But that is so much easier than dealing with the
entire system.
> Kind of related question : is there a tool for removing all config
> files that aren't used by any currently installed package?
Yes. By not used I assume you mean from a package that has been
installed and then been "removed". Removed is different from
"purged". A package that is "purged" has all related files removed
including conffiles in /etc. A "removed" package has conffiles in
/etc left behind so that the package could be installed again and the
previous configuration resumed. That is very convenient. But it
means that a lot of systems build up a lot of old files in /etc from
packages that have been removed. Sometimes those old files cause
problems.
Get a list of removed packages that still have conffiles remaining
behind.
$ dpkg -l | grep ^rc
Then remove the packages that you don't want. I will mention some
tools for helping with this process but it can't be fully automated
because no one but you as the local admin know what files in /etc you
have edited that you want to keep around.
deborphan
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I tend to use grep-status to search for these.
$ dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print$2}'
Or using the more precise tools for the task:
$ grep-status -sPackage -n -FStatus "deinstall ok config-files"
Then after inspection I purge the list.
dpkg --purge $(grep-status -sPackage -n -FStatus "deinstall ok config-files")
Sometimes I hit all of the library packages first. Because I don't
usually edit config files associated with libraries. Libs start with
the ^lib pattern. That can quickly reduce the size of a large list
from an unmaintained machine so that the interesting packages are more
visible.
grep-status -sPackage -n -FStatus "deinstall ok config-files" | grep ^lib
What problems do these "rc" packages with conffiles left behind cause?
Here are a couple of the most common reasons.
The most notable source of problems are /etc/init.d/foo where foo
doesn't have current LSB headers. Those files cause problems when
upgrading because the new 'insserv' program used in Wheezy to set up
parallel booting can't work without the dependency information in the
LSB headers. Those files and packages should definitely be cleaned
up.
The second notable source that I see is in PHP libraries.
Historically most often in the php5-gd package but also some others.
Installed packages install the gd.so library. Removing it will remove
the library but leave the conffile that loads the library behind
causing a restart of Apache to complain that it can't load the library
that it is configured to load. I think this is fixed in all current
packages for a while but older packages that are "removed" but still
with conffiles remaining behind do not get upgraded. So they are
stuck in time with the old broken problem. Solution is to "purge" the
package that owns the conffile and is causing trouble.
Bob
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Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:06:43 +0100, Pavel Volkov wrote: Why do you think it will be systemd? Read the wiki page from my initial mail https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem You can click on "systemd", "upstart" etc. there and see why it's considered good or bad. I ask, because this is what I understood when reading a previous mail. I for sure never ever will read any arguments about an alternative to init scripts again. The mailing list of my "main" distro (Arch general mailing list) became moderated and some users were banned from the list, caused by the transition from init scripts to systemd. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/op.w73q2fgkqhadp0@suse11-2
sid? + xfce + kdm + systemd => problem
0) I'm running sid, xfce, kdm, now testing systemd, on a Lenovo Intel-based laptop with Intel graphics. 1) I have only ever run eg the following, to disable a service (under sysvinit): cd /etc/init.d mv S20kdm K20kdm I realise this is not quite right (the K_number should be 100 - S_number, but almost never use other runlevels except very rarely, single user/ root login, but init=/bin/bash at the kernel command line has always seemed to do that job just fine :) 2) I got tired of multiple ?dm graphical login managers, so removed all but kdm which works well for my tastes. 3) I usually login at linux console, and simply startx. Doing this, xfce wm (window manager) shortcuts work fine. 4) When I startup with systemd, kdm auto-starts, even though I've run step 1) above. KDM does not start automatically with sysvinit, only with systemd. This looks like a bug. 5) Step 4) would not be so much of a problem, but as I explained in a separate thread that I began, when kdm is started and I log in to XFCE that way, my window manager keyboard shortcuts do NOT work. I rely on my xfce wm shortcuts to efficiently make my two external monitors work properly (one attached to laptop, one attached to dock), using xrandr commands. So either step 1) or 4) or the xfce wm keyboard shortcuts when xfce is started via kdm ie step 5) needs to be fixed. TIA Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSS1ROunzK-xAe402A-n7fs=_jwfb3zrzn7yjq63xu4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:21:22 -0500 (EST), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: > >> > >> I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. > >> But [snip] > >> > >> (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source > >> [snip] > >> > >> (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a > >> [snip] > >> > >> Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general > >> advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel > >> free to ask follow-up questions. > > > > What's your budget? > > ... > > Good question. I'm not sure what things cost these days; but for > planning purposes, lets try a ballpark figure of somewhere around > $500 US. If I find that I cannot get what I want for that price, I > may be willing to spend more. $500, I think, is overly optimistic. My main system which I built from components cost $600 seven years ago. And I even used parts (graphics card, DVD burner, keyboard, mouse, and CRT monitor) from my previous system to keep the cost down. It had a single core 2.0 GHZ Athlon64 CPU with 2 GB DDR2 RAM. These were top-of-the-line components at the time. (I've upgraded it numerous times since.) So, back to budget: I think $700 to $800 for a lower end, built-it-myself system is more realistic. Not including monitor, of course. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214134820.03cf7...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
Pavel Volkov wrote: > Brian wrote: > > The call for release goals has finished and we have received the > > following proposals: > > > >* UTF-8 > > What's wrong with UTF-8 currently? fmt: incorrect formatting of UTF-8 text http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650381 tr: fails to replace umlauts http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388689 tr fails with UTF-8 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431231 _CTYPE with UTF-8 doesn't work correctly http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=139861 tr cannot handle unicode http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613155 uniq: merges obscure Cyrillic characters http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649729 I am sure there is more. Coreutils is probably the worse off because all of the patches to address the problem have been deemed not to be maintainable and so have been rejected. For some reason tr seems to catch the worse of the notice but all of the coreutils basically have the same issue in that they handle byte size characters only. And along with coreutils there are bound to be other programs that are similarly designed for single byte characters. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printer problem
On Sat 14 Dec 2013 at 20:37:09 +0100, Siard wrote: > Gábor Hársfalvi wrote off-list: If his reply to my post was off-list it will never be seen by me (I only receive and respond to on-list mail) or (obviously) anyone else. If Gábor is looking for a response he should check whether any mail was sent to debian-user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/14122013202748.abc3ba1a7...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)
On Sun 15 Dec 2013 at 06:29:52 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > JFTR, I am running FVWM and have the following: > tal% less .xsessionrc > /home/chrisb/background.sh & > > xterm -fn 10x20 -xrm "XTerm.vt100.background: #CCA8AA" -xrm \ > "XTerm.vt100.foreground: blue" -geom 120x15 & > tal% You start an xterm. Remember that a script executes each line sequentially and only moves on to the next line if the previous command completes. The xterm is put in the background; the command has completed. There is no next line in .xsessionrc so /etc/X11/Xsession moves on from 40x11-common_xsessionrc to 50x11-common_determine-startup. Here it first looks for ~/.xsession. You haven't got one so it goes on to investigate /usr/bin/x-window-manager. This file links to x-window-manager in /etc/alternatives. I bet this points to fvwm in your case! All is right with the world; so you think :). > I use startx. If I rename .xsessionrc to .xsession then X bails out > on starting and I am returned back to the prompt. >From xinit(1) The xinit program is used to start the X Window System server and a first client program . . . Once that client program completes execution xinit exits; that is, X goes away. Your .xsession contains a single backgrounded command. Guess what? [Snip] > So it seems I'm going to have to go through the startup sequence *again* > and try to figure out why X/FVWM won't start with a .xsession file. :( Put exec fvwm after the xterm command in .xsession. This command does not complete and .xsession doesn't close. You've summoned X, give it a chance to show off what it can do :). > Thanks Brian for putting me on the right path, although it is with mixed > blessings :) Bob Proulx posts were the inspiration. Although I had sorted out the use of startx to my satisfaction many years ago, his recent mails caused me to look again at how Debian handled it. MORAL: ,xsession - good. .xinitrc or .xessionrc - bad (unless you really know what you are doing and have special needs). EXERCISE: You decide 'exec fvwm' is a splendid idea but decide to keep your .xsessionrc and put the extra line in it. Discuss the consequences. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214202556.gn5...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:29:52 +1300 Chris Bannister sent: > I do remember this issue in the past, a google was not very helpful - > and may even have been misleading - e.g. suggesting that .xsessionrc > was the correct file to use. And since .xsession or .xinitrc didn't > work I must have assumed it was correct. That would have been the reason why I also changed to ~/.xsessionrc. Because I was using FVWM at the time and recall that it was documented somewhere to get X working was to change the file name. On another note, same topic. In Xfce4 which I'm now using, something strange happened. To get my printer working, I changed a few things and then logged out on the application menu drop down list "Log Out" Then logged back in as user. All the things that my ~/.xsession file loaded, came up again as I would expect. However, they came up twice. Two of everything? I thought it was a glitch. Stopped the computer, did a hard reboot and it did the same, everything came up twice. So I commented everything out of my ~/.xsession file except: exec startxfce4 So my system starts as it always did, loading all the applications as it did when they were so directed in the ~/.xsession file. Nicer in fact, as it places kalarm in the panel rather than on the desktop from whence I placed it into the panel. But they were all commented out?? So, it seems using the Xfce4 logout, wrote a file that gets loaded automagically which returns everything to as it was when X is started again? But what file? There is no duplicate ~/.xsession file so there must be a file elsewhere in the system that Log Out wrote or edited before exiting? It works well as long as I comment out everything I want loaded at startup in my ~/.xsession file. But is it a feature or a bug if I don't know where the file that does is all this is located? I have been looking through this thread to try to find which file might be changed but had no luck yet. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Christmas is not a date. It is a state of mind. - Mary Ellen Chase *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131215071705.44f71947@taogypsy.wildlife
Re: Printer problem
Gábor Hársfalvi wrote off-list: > Thanks. > > So we could tell the driver to use only the black ink for black > texts/images? No. A document containing composite black text is simply not suitable for printing. You should try to get a better document. Of course, you can tell the driver to print only black & white. But then everything is in grayscale. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214203709.3346de84.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On 12/14/2013 09:05 AM, Glenn English wrote: Over the past decade or so, I've had amazingly good luck with plain old low-end Dell tower servers (small business area). +1 on used Dell Optiplex, Precision, and PowerEdge products. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52acb263.4040...@holgerdanske.com
Re: dselect in wheezy; Old timers question
Perhaps using the Aptitude UI (Ncurses TUI) will let you unselect the currently selected packages. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214185601.gu14...@n0nb.us
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 03:11:47PM -0200, André Nunes Batista wrote: > might have and you will be able to use "dpkg" which stands for > "de-package" to install it on your system. Otherwise you will have to Just wondering what your source was for that info. e.g: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DPKG DPKGDebian GNU/Linux Package Manager http://worddetail.org/acronym_and_abbreviation/dpkg DPKG abbreviation stands for: Debian PacKaGe. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214182806.GE9143@tal
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 09:21:19AM -0500, Wally Lepore wrote: > Hi Scott, > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: > > On 13/12/13 00:59, Wally Lepore wrote: > >> > >> http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm > > > > Wow! What a... site :/ > > Not sure I understand. This stands out for a start! (from a quick glance.): "dpkg - kind of the predecessor to apt, but is still used for some functions" hint - dpkg is *always*¹ used to install a package. Also, only diehard masochists use dselect :) There is no mention of aptitude (the info is old.) ¹ There *may* be other esoteric ways, but then you would not be reading that site if you knew about them. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214181945.GD9143@tal
Re: Printer problem
Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > We have got a HP Inkjet f2180 printer and we need use pure black ink > instead of composite black every time. > > How to do this? The document to be printed should contain pure black, that is, CMYK values C=0% M=0% Y=0% K=100%. Printing offices also require this if you have your document printed there. As far as I can see, LibreOffice produces pure black. PDF's produced by Scribus certainly comply with the standards. I've often seen documents made with Word, converted to a PDF with a third party program, that do _not_ have pure black. Don't know what the latest state of affairs w.r.t. this is though. In the case of a PDF, if it does not contain pure black, I know that the latest Adobe Acrobat can do a conversion to repair this. But of course, that is not a free program, and needs MacOSX or Windows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214191533.80474e72.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:23:48PM +, Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 00:21:18 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > The man page for Xsession documents ~/.xsessionrc and ~/.xsession. It > > says that ~/.xsessionrc is only for setting variables and the > > ~/.xsession is for executing commands. (But in reality this is a grey > > area.) > > Let's attempt to get a colour transformation to black and white. :) > > Firstly: .xsessionrc is for holding ***global environment*** variables. > The emphasis is mine. > > Secondly: 40x11-common_xsessionrc in /etc/X11/Xsession.d is sourced > before 50x11-common_determine-startup. So .xsessionrc is read before > .xsession and any environment variables set will become available to > applications run by the commands in .xsession. > > Thirdly: Everyone likes a test to do. :) Create .xsessionrc with > contents similar to these: > >xterm & >TZ='GST-10' ; export TZ >exec > > Now execute 'startx'. You have a functioning system? Execute 'date'. > > Putting commands in .xsessionrc is very naughty. Are you still there, > Charlie? For your own good, please stop doing it. JFTR, I am running FVWM and have the following: tal% less .xsessionrc /home/chrisb/background.sh & xterm -fn 10x20 -xrm "XTerm.vt100.background: #CCA8AA" -xrm \ "XTerm.vt100.foreground: blue" -geom 120x15 & tal% I use startx. If I rename .xsessionrc to .xsession then X bails out on starting and I am returned back to the prompt. I had to change .xinitrc to .xsessionrc at some stage in the past when some system change was altered. I can't remember whether it was an upgrade of FVWM or an upgrade of X which caused this. I do remember this issue in the past, a google was not very helpful - and may even have been misleading - e.g. suggesting that .xsessionrc was the correct file to use. And since .xsession or .xinitrc didn't work I must have assumed it was correct. So it seems I'm going to have to go through the startup sequence *again* and try to figure out why X/FVWM won't start with a .xsession file. :( Thanks Brian for putting me on the right path, although it is with mixed blessings :) -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214172952.GC9143@tal
taming syslog
Hi, Running wheezy, fully up-to-date, with quite a busy postfix mail server, my syslog is filling up with multi-millions of mail messages. Whilst these are useful at times, they are obscuring other important stuff, and appear in /var/log/mail.log in any case. So I thought I'd try to suppress these messages in syslog. Some googling and reading man (5) syslog.conf, I decided that the line *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog was the culprit, and changed it to *.*;auth,authpriv.none;!mail.* -/var/log/syslog Unfortunately, now nothing gets logged to syslog; I would at least expect the usual crop of iptables reports, unless the baddies have given up for christmas. Mail is still logged to mail.log, so that's OK. Can anyone please tell me the correct way to go about this, please? Cheers -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac9372.30...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Dec 14, 2013, at 6:23 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > I have a four-year college degree in Electrical Engineering. I graduated > a long time ago, and my degree is probably not marketable for anything > other than engineering management at this point, but at least I have the > background. My "day job" is as a systems programmer for IBM mainframes. > Among other duties I install and maintain (apply PTFs to) the operating system > and other system software. And I have upgraded PC systems myself before, > including motherboard replacements. So no, I am not intimidated by the > prospect of building a system myself, if that proves to be the cheapest > or best way to go. Over the past decade or so, I've had amazingly good luck with plain old low-end Dell tower servers (small business area). They're very simple -- onboard VGA graphics, onboard audio, a few disk slots (3 or 4), no WiFi, no SCSI, no Windows, etc. And there are PCI slots to fix most of those features, if they're a problem. They for sure aren't gaming boxes or movie editors. But they've had Xeon processors, lots of RAM slots, excellent Linux compatibility, and massive reliability. The only failure I've had with them was a SATA drive -- Newegg and RAID 1 fixed that. And they're pretty cheap. A bit over your try for $500, though, but $600 or $700. Them Xeons ain't cheap. Nor are reliable electrolytic caps... They're good programming and T1 server boxes. -- Glenn English Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e096bf6c-a0dc-4e66-af51-417c6c6af...@slsware.com
dselect in wheezy; Old timers question
I'm managing a couple of remote VPS servers with no GUI access except putty. I have been using dselect to assist with this process & up to yesterday it worked well as it has for years. I did a apt-get distupgrade and all went as expected and the system is running fine. However after I did the upgrade from old stable to wheezy, I decided that I needed to get an upgraded openjdk-7-jre installed for the game systems I'm running. When I did that the dselect decided I needed a lot of extra stuff to go along and I hit 'ctrl x' to abandon those changes. I reloaded the selections available and went into get ONLY the jre that I needed using apt-get install & the entire load of X related stuff popped up. Now I have tried to clear the caches of dselect and apt but they all seem stuck. Running apt-get clean & autoclean do not clear the dselect picked dependencies. Any ideas on how to get the dependencies & suggested selections cleared out. Thanks John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1387034479.16886.10.ca...@beast.johnwfoster.com
Re: Installation needs some work on
On Friday 13 December 2013 21:32:25 Userx Xbw wrote: > you people wrote it No, we didn't actually. This is the USERS list. Those who wrote it are on the developers list. (Some do in fact use this list, but this is still the wrong list to discuss development.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312141525.51544.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: coloured prompt for root (was ... Re: Reporting missing package during install)
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 02:13:18PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Chris Bannister writes: > > > This is in a tty, so don't know what will happen in an xterm or other > > virtual terminal. > > The virtual terminals usually honour ANSI escape sequences. For sure > xterm, the rxvt family and the libvte-based ones do. > > But with virtual terminals you can do something like having a > different background and foreground color (red on black is standard in > my family). Same on a tty. man setterm -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214152453.GB9143@tal
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:39:04 -0500 (EST), David Christensen wrote: > > I did something similar ~1.5 years ago. I wanted virtualization, > whole-drive encryption, on-board video, on-board sound, on-board > Gigabit, and reduced energy consumption/ noise. You have requirements that I don't have. I don't care about virtualization, per se, other than the emulation of a mainframe in software by Hercules. I don't need drive encryption, and I don't care about energy consumption or noise. I mean, it's not that I want it to be a noisy power hog, but those are not critical features. I'd rather have a noisy $500 system than a quiet $1500 system. (On the other hand, I don't want the fan in the power supply to fail in 6 months either.) Also, 10/100 Ethernet is plenty fast enough for me. > > Only the higher price stuff had all the features I needed. So, my > choice boiled down to building around a high-end desktop board > (~US$1,000) or building around a uniprocessor workstation/ server board > (~US$1,500). Wow. I hope my requirements can be met for less. >> >> I'd like it to have a usable CSM, so I can continue to run my favorite boot >> loader, LILO. > > CSM = IBM Cluster Systems Management? No, CSM = Compatibility Support Module, a feature of UEFI-compliant motherboards that provides a PC-compatible BIOS for booting legacy BIOS operating systems, such as the LILO boot loader. This is incompatible with Connected Standby Mode, whose initials are also, unfortunately, CSM. Connected Standby Mode is apparently a requirement for Windows 8 certification. Connected Standby Mode must be disabled in order for a Compatibility Support Module to be enabled. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI for more information. > > I use the default boot loader (GRUB) provided by the Debian installer. > I don't know if LILO is available OOTB; you might have to work for it. The last I knew the Debian installer, running in expert mode, still offers LILO as a boot loader choice. But if it doesn't, installing it manually after the fact is no problem for me. I have authored a web page on how to do just that. See http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm for more information. >> >> And I plan to partition the disk using the traditional MS-DOS disk >> partitioning system,so I don't want the hard disk to be larger than 2T. > > I assume you mean an MS-DOS partition table, as opposed to a GUID > partition table (GPT). (I believe the Debian installer supports GPT on > the system disk, but I haven't tried it.) Yes. > > You want an SSD system drive for performance and disaster recovery > (imaging) reasons, and other drive(s) for data. (My SSD has an MS-DOS > partition table and my HDD has a GUID partition table.) The disaster recovery plan, in case of a hard disk failure, is to go buy a new hard disk. The data is gone. There are no backups. Too bad. Reinstall from scratch. I want good performance, but disaster recovery features are not something that I am willing to pay extra for. In some cases I may FTP critical files to another machine on my home network, but that's the extent of backups. > > I have an EE/CS background, and prefer to build my computers from > scratch. That way, I get exactly what I want and nothing I don't need. > If you don't have the skills, there are vendors who will assemble and > test hardware and/or software that you purchase from them for a nominal fee. I have a four-year college degree in Electrical Engineering. I graduated a long time ago, and my degree is probably not marketable for anything other than engineering management at this point, but at least I have the background. My "day job" is as a systems programmer for IBM mainframes. Among other duties I install and maintain (apply PTFs to) the operating system and other system software. And I have upgraded PC systems myself before, including motherboard replacements. So no, I am not intimidated by the prospect of building a system myself, if that proves to be the cheapest or best way to go. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1439022488.875066.1387027381278.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Printer problem
On Sat 14 Dec 2013 at 11:22:08 +0100, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > We have got a HP Inkjet f2180 printer and we need use pure black ink > instead of composite black every time. > > How to do this? What driver package and PPD are you using? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/14122013125105.e5ccfb936...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:21:22 -0500 (EST), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. But >> [snip] >> >> (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source >> [snip] >> >> (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a >> [snip] >> >> Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general >> advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel >> free to ask follow-up questions. > > What's your budget? > ... Good question. I'm not sure what things cost these days; but for planning purposes, lets try a ballpark figure of somewhere around $500 US. If I find that I cannot get what I want for that price, I may be willing to spend more. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1400295224.874651.1387024490369.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Having weird seqfaults
Goren Buckwalk a écrit : > > Could the segfaulting be caused by overheating? I thought when older > CPUs overheated they just ran until the circuits melted (this is an AMD > K6-2 450). More recent ones shutdown before damage can occur. But > whatever occurs I thought happend to everything, there isn't any way an > individual process could get terminated because they were causing an > high usage leading to overheating, right? The real world is analog, not boolean. There is a gap between the maximum proper operating temperature and the core meltdown temperature. In this gap, many more or less tiny dysfunctions can happen. For exemple a single bit error which transforms a 1 into 0 or vice versa, changing the meaning of an instruction and causing the segfault of the process executing that instruction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac4719.9030...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On 2013-12-13, Goren Buckwalk wrote: > > Maybe that is it, I'll replace it when I get the chance (as Jerry and > others suggest), but keep the board to see if I get the time to try > replacing the capacitors and not really care if it works or not, as > entertainment. I'll probably just burn myself though and have melted > mainboard drippings on the floor. Thanks everyone. > Just keep that positive attitude and you'll be fine. ;-) (By the way I myself have a negative outlook, shaky hands, and zero patience, so the mere thought of delicate soldering work gives me the heebie-jeebies). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnlaoed8.2gs.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 18:13:29 +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote: > > > > > > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of > > > a couple of years for a decision to be made. > > > > I don't think so. A timeline has not been decided yet, but it is my > > understanding that a decision is definitely wanted for Jessie and there > > is already less than a year until freeze. > > What difference does it make whether the decision is made before or > after the freeze? An excerpt from Apologies for the previous noise. After catching up on recent posts to #727708 and debian-ctte a clearer understanding of what progress is being made emerges. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/14122013104153.7bf526456...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
The same terminal or the same shell? -- Gian Uberto Lauri Messaggio inviato da un tablet > On 14/dic/2013, at 09:09, Nemeth Gyorgy wrote: > > 2013-12-13 17:22 keltezéssel, John Hasler írta: >>> ...must have successfully authenticated >>> to execute a sudo command once >> >> Within the last 15 minutes. > > ... from the same terminal. Don't forget this criteria because it is > important. > > > -- > --- Friczy --- > 'Death is not a bug, it's a feature' > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac123d.1080...@freemail.hu > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3d26bcdd-02b4-4b92-8080-6992511a3...@eng.it
Printer problem
Hi, We have got a HP Inkjet f2180 printer and we need use pure black ink instead of composite black every time. How to do this?
Re: (SOLVED) Re: Backported Kernel - install question
On Saturday 14 December 2013 02:22 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:06:15 +0530 Kailash Kalyani wrote: Apt-get gave me the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. And so I installed initramfs-tools from wheezy-backports first and then the linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae However, was apt-get correct in not attempting to upgrade initramfs-tools as well? Yes, it was. Compare this: # apt-get install linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages To this: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 The following extra packages will be installed: initramfs-tools Suggested packages: linux-doc-3.11 debian-kernel-handbook The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 The following packages will be upgraded: initramfs-tools Unless you allow apt to search dependencies outside of preferred release (wheezy) - it will try to install from backports only the package you've told it to install (i.e. linux-image). Reco Thanks for the clarification! Much appreciated! K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac28ea.6070...@gmail.com
Re: (SOLVED) Re: Backported Kernel - install question
Hi. On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:06:15 +0530 Kailash Kalyani wrote: > Apt-get gave me the following error: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) > but 0.109.1 is to be installed > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > And so I installed initramfs-tools from wheezy-backports first and then > the linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae > > However, was apt-get correct in not attempting to upgrade > initramfs-tools as well? Yes, it was. Compare this: # apt-get install linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages To this: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 The following extra packages will be installed: initramfs-tools Suggested packages: linux-doc-3.11 debian-kernel-handbook The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 The following packages will be upgraded: initramfs-tools Unless you allow apt to search dependencies outside of preferred release (wheezy) - it will try to install from backports only the package you've told it to install (i.e. linux-image). Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214125254.1cfd76cc50fd9cdf2c4fb...@gmail.com
Re: (SOLVED) Re: Backported Kernel - install question
On Saturday 14 December 2013 12:06 PM, Kailash Kalyani wrote: On Friday 13 December 2013 02:32 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:33:45 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 21:32 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I experienced that synaptic for *buntu Saucy is broken, perhaps it's for Debian broken too. Sometimes nothing is inconsistent, but Synaptic claims that a dependency should be broken. After closing and opening Synaptic everything is ok. If apt-get does work, than a not buggy Synaptic must work too ;). apt, aptitude and synaptic handle package install conflicts differently. These tools do the same in trivial situations like installing or removing package from the main archive. But, put a number of packages with the same name and different versions (add versioned dependencies to the picture) - and these 3 tools start behaving differently. Add the fact that any package in backports archive has special version that is _lower_ that any version in main archive - and sometimes these tools may produce funny results. Basically, apt provides you with the most dumb solution possible (works most of the time) - install what you want, upgrade dependencies. Aptitude gives you multiple ways of installing package (and one has to choose carefully) - install what you want, upgrade/downgrade dependencies (and may remove something just for fun :). Synaptic assumes that you are not lazy, and will use Ctrl+E (IIRC, may be wrong) to force particular versions for needed packages. So, it's possible to use Synaptic for the task, it just will violate the great IBM principle - 'People should think, machine should work'. Reco Hi, Apt-get gave me the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. And so I installed initramfs-tools from wheezy-backports first and then the linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae However, was apt-get correct in not attempting to upgrade initramfs-tools as well? Thanks, Kailash FYI only. My new install of the kernel caused VirtualBox to stop functioning: I followed the following steps: 1. Installed the wheezy-backports version of VirtualBox (no change- the kernel modules failed to start) 2. Tried to check versions of dkms - have the latest stable (no updates in backports) 3. After looking through VirtualBox installation page (http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch02.html#install-linux-host) I figured I was missing the headers for the new kernel. 4. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae followed by sudo apt-get install virtualbox/wheezy-backports --reinstall fixed the issue. Hope this helps. K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac1505.9040...@gmail.com
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
2013-12-13 17:22 keltezéssel, John Hasler írta: >> ...must have successfully authenticated >> to execute a sudo command once > > Within the last 15 minutes. ... from the same terminal. Don't forget this criteria because it is important. -- --- Friczy --- 'Death is not a bug, it's a feature' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac123d.1080...@freemail.hu
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Friday 13 December 2013 17:26:01 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init > and install systemd during installation? I dislike systemd, but I > already use it for a long time with my Arch Linux. > > IOW, Debian will drop init and will switch to systemd in the future? Why do you think it will be systemd? Read the wiki page from my initial mail https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem You can click on "systemd", "upstart" etc. there and see why it's considered good or bad. As a Gentoo guy, I'll be most satisfied though if they choose systemd for Linux and openrc for kFreeBSD and Hurd :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1876481.1l7VOrDlHC@melforce
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Friday 13 December 2013 10:44:24 Bob Proulx wrote: > In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up > such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because > there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all > about being able to upgrade. It's great to hear that, I never upgraded Debian the official way (only reinstalled, for a few reasons). Kind of related question : is there a tool for removing all config files that aren't used by any currently installed package? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6058949.oGYWIzQogF@melforce
