Re: Systemd
On 4/27/14, Joel Rees wrote: > You guys think you're funny. > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Curt wrote: >> On 2014-04-26, Brian wrote: >> >> A not buggy horse and buggy. >> > >> > Isn't that a quote from "Travels on the Fringes of Surrey" by Orson >> > Cart? > > I actually tried looking that book up. > >> He might have coached me. > > 'Cause I thought you were talking about Orson Scott Car_d_. > >> > I'll get me coat. > > Get me a straight-jacket, while you're at it. Complain too loudly 'round these parts and y'all be hoarse before ya know it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSD-3drCEn6QiFa5q2A=hyuUCwM02sdCad9oTeBJ=f...@mail.gmail.com
how to debug systemd unit problems?
Hi, With a recent upgrade, my sid system ended up with systemd-sysv, so I rebooted it and worked through the problems. One problem I had a hard time figuring out--I kind of guessed at how to fix it. I'd really like to know the right way, though, so as to be able to troubleshoot problems like that in the future. With a regular init script, I am used to doing the following: bash -x /etc/init.d/foo How do I do something similar with a systemd unit? I can't figure out how to find any indication of what programs are actually being run in order to fulfill a unit. The unit in question was dev-mapper-common.device, and all journalctl ever said was that it timed out. I'd paste all the information here, but I can't figure out how to get information from prior to the current boot either. Fixing the problem entailed finding an entry in /etc/fstab that referenced a device "/dev/mapper/foo" that doesn't exist unless I create it manually; I added the "noauto" parameter--I guess this failed in a non-fatal fashion before. Thanks, Corey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535d8fa0.2010...@fatooh.org
Re: Mutt: SSL Certificate check ... SASL
From: pe...@easthope.ca Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 07:59:02 -0800 > cPanel instructions for configuring the email client. > "Secure SSL/TLS Settings > (Recommended) > Username: peter[at]easthope.ca > Password: Use the email account's password. > Incoming Server: ccx.websitewelcome.com > IMAP: Port 993 > POP3: Port 995 > Outgoing Server: ccx.websitewelcome.com > SMTP: Port 465 > Authentication is required for IMAP, POP3, and SMTP." Fortunately Marc Haber was following Pkg-exim4-users. Marc Haber mh+pkg-exim4-users at zugschlus.de Fri Mar 14 07:48:57 UTC 2014 > The MX for websitewelcome.com seems to listen on Port 587, offers > STARTTLS and AUTH PLAIN. I'd guess that setting dc_smarthost to > websitewelcome.com::587 is going to work. They're using exim as well, > btw. Marc Haber mh+pkg-exim4-users at zugschlus.de Tue Mar 18 07:56:46 UTC 2014 > It [STARTTLS, port 587] is also the recommended way to have a > MUA connect to an MTA with authentication. That solved the problem. Port 465, which the ISP mentioned, is for the older tls-on-connect protocol. They also support STARTTLS but didn't mention it or port 587 in instructions. Regards, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ New address Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1WeW0B-0004rB-5E@dalton.invalid
Re: Systemd
On 04/26/2014 06:02 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ralf Mardorf writes: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky to be able to change the air filter. That's a nice analogy :). We could repair our old cars using a hammer and screwdriver, today we need to be computer experts to repair a car. For example, to correct idling mixture there under the hood was a screw on the carburetor, nowadays there's a connector for a computer inside the driver's cab. Assumed your car strikes in the middle of the wilderness, what kind of car do you prefer? I've never had a car stop dead due to the idle mixture going out of spec. When something has gone seriously enough wrong with one of my cars to stop it, the fact that it had a carburetor (as my daily driver, a '78 Chrysler Newport, does) or a computer has been totally irrelevant. I maintain that anybody who is afraid of modern fuel injection has never rebuilt a ThermoQuad. I tried, thinking I was equal to the task. Bad choice. :( Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. https://linuxcounter.net/cert/44256.png X-oldie-warning: Toothless but still vicious -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535d67f9.5010...@gmail.com
Re: Systemd
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:42 PM, David Glover-Aoki wrote: > On 25 Apr 2014, at 03:04 pm, Dale Harris wrote: > >> Soon systemd will just become the OS, there will be no Linux... > > I am genuinely convinced that this is the ultimate goal of the systemd devs. > I was being kind of flippant with my comment, but systemd certainly seems to suffer from a lot of bloat. -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caebw9tza51jz86gxv7j3apdj6k5julfr5znd79nbzgyrud9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Security updates are untrusted
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Sb, 26 apr 14, 10:02:39, Carl Johnson wrote: >> >> I was just checking again and the problem had returned. This time, I >> immediately told aptitude to do an update and the untrusted warnings >> went away again. I suspect they will come back in another day or two, >> but they don't after just exiting and restarting aptitude. > > See if changing mirrors helps. I will try that when it starts showing problems again, but it isn't yet. I doubt that it will work since the problems are only with packages from security.debian.org and not with the mirror at debian.osuosl.org. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871twiu62d.fsf@oak.localnet
Re: Re^4: Mutt: SSL Certificate check ... SASL
On Du, 27 apr 14, 07:13:32, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Andrei POPESCU > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 19:31:22 +0200 > > P.S. could you please not break threads *and* munge the Subject on every > > reply? > > The limitations in using a Web browser to reply to a mailing list are > known and documented in > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Message_Threading_and_Replying . > > If you spot an error there, please correct it or notify me in a private > message so that I can correct it. I was referring to the '^3' inserted by your MUA. It's merely annoying when threading works, but will completely break any attempt to associate a reply with the originating thread when it doesn't. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.6.5 Besides, some mail clients completely ignore In-Reply-To: or References: for threading, so will always see a new thread on any of your replies. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:57:38 +0100 Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Celejar wrote: > > Aptoide, IIUC, just provides a common > > interface that allows us to use different app markets. [I haven't yet > > played with it, though.] > > >>From their website: "Aptoide is the largest independent Android App > Store and allows partners to setup and manage their own Android store. > As a partner you can upload, test and approve your apps." > > It's a store itself and a way for anyone to have their store. > I have both Aptoide and F-droid and don't remember last using > GooglePlay (nor do i think aptoide fronts for it). Cool - I've installed it, and am trying it out. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140427110723.ee0d91aed6d81bfa3f899...@gmail.com
Re: Re^4: Mutt: SSL Certificate check ... SASL
From: Andrei POPESCU Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 19:31:22 +0200 > P.S. could you please not break threads *and* munge the Subject on every > reply? The limitations in using a Web browser to reply to a mailing list are known and documented in https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Message_Threading_and_Replying . If you spot an error there, please correct it or notify me in a private message so that I can correct it. Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +1 360 639 0202 http://carnot.yi.org/ New address Bcc: peter at easthope. ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/E1WePpj-0004Jj-Vg@dalton.invalid
Re: Directly connecting two computers
Hello, David Goodenough a écrit : > On Saturday 26 April 2014 19:36:31 Martin wrote: >> >> I have two computer that I want to connect directly, similarly as I did >> long time ago with Null-Modem cable ( or LapLink cable). >> >> I have obtained a crossover ethernet cable that I plug in network card >> of each computer. Now the problem is how to configure eth0 on both >> computer so they can communicate. >> >> In /etc/hosts on both computers I have >> 192.168.231.2 neolit >> 192.168.231.3 paleolit >> >> On one computer I have this entry in /etc/network/interfaces >> auto eth0 >> iface eth0 inet static >> address 192.168.231.3 >> pointopoint 192.168.231.2 >> netmask 255.255.255.255 >> >> When I run command route on this computer I get >> # route >> Kernel IP routing table >> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface >> neolit * 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 eth0 > > Nothing you have shown us in either hosts or interfaces should have generated > this routing table. Could you please list your /etc/resolv.conf. Neither /etc/hosts nor /etc/resolv.conf are used to generate the routing table. They are only related to name resolution, not routing. Or did you mean "this route command output", which includes name resolution unless the -n option is passed ? (Advice : always pass -n or use the "ip route" command to avoid name resolution). Also, the output of the route command seems compliant to the contents of the interface and hosts file. The pointopoint option created a host route to 192.168.231.2 and the hosts file resolved that address into "neolit". However an ethernet network is not point to point at the link layer, even when it is at the physical layer. Ethernet has broadcast, multicast and multiplexing through MAC addresses. Also note that in Linux, local and broadcast routes have precedence over unicast routes and are not displayed by the route command. So if a broadcast route exists for the same destination, it has precedence over the unicast route. You can check the routing for a destination IP address with the following command : ip route get >> I can ping paleolit on this computer. >> But ping neolit does not work as expected. What happens exactly ? An error message (host unreachable or so), no reply at all ? >> Anyway on each computer I can use eth0 interface for any local service No, you can use the local IP address assigned to eth0. But local communications actually use the loopback interface, lo. Shut it down and check that local communication becomes impossible. >> (smtp, http ...) but I can not connect to other side of the cable. First, did you check the ethernet level connectivity ? Do the link lights lit when you plug the cable in ? What is the output of "ifconfig eth0" and "ethtool eth0" or "mii-tool" (if any is installed) ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/535d0be2.7040...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Systemd
You guys think you're funny. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Curt wrote: > On 2014-04-26, Brian wrote: > >> > >> A not buggy horse and buggy. > > > > Isn't that a quote from "Travels on the Fringes of Surrey" by Orson Cart? > I actually tried looking that book up. > He might have coached me. 'Cause I thought you were talking about Orson Scott Car_d_. > > I'll get me coat. > Get me a straight-jacket, while you're at it. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart.
Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Celejar wrote: > Aptoide, IIUC, just provides a common > interface that allows us to use different app markets. [I haven't yet > played with it, though.] >From their website: "Aptoide is the largest independent Android App Store and allows partners to setup and manage their own Android store. As a partner you can upload, test and approve your apps." It's a store itself and a way for anyone to have their store. I have both Aptoide and F-droid and don't remember last using GooglePlay (nor do i think aptoide fronts for it). -- "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadqa9uypt-sr8zah9p1vmn0wm_lhehhrpshbupevuoyij3b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Logging of commands in a bash script to a file
On Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:10:11 -0700,
ty wrote:
> A ambiguous redirect sounds like the variable is empty.
> To demonstrate:
> a=" "
> echo hello > $a
> bash: $a: ambiguous redirect
> Make sure ${VPN_APP_LOG[$N]}is not being set inside the sub-proccess ( )
> and is a valid variable.
Hello, Ty.
Yes, after I realized I was calling that variable outside the loop :-(
Then I used one variable to the logs and I had no problem. Thank you
very much to all for your responses.
Best regards,
Daniel
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Re: Directly connecting two computers
On Sunday 27 April 2014 06:56:47 Richard Hector wrote: > On 27/04/14 05:36, Martin wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have two computer that I want to connect directly, similarly as I did > > long time ago with Null-Modem cable ( or LapLink cable). > > > > I have obtained a crossover ethernet cable that I plug in network card > > of each computer. Now the problem is how to configure eth0 on both > > computer so they can communicate. > > > > In /etc/hosts on both computers I have > > 192.168.231.2 neolit > > 192.168.231.3 paleolit > > All good so far. > > > On one computer I have this entry in /etc/network/interfaces > > auto eth0 > > iface eth0 inet static > > > > address 192.168.231.3 > > pointopoint 192.168.231.2 > > netmask 255.255.255.255 > > I don't know if pointopoint can work with ethernet cards, but anyway > there's no need for it. pointopoint works perfectly well on every ethernet card I have tried it on. David > > Just use (on paleolit): > > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.231.3 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ... and change the address appropriately on the other one. You don't > need to tell it explicitly where to find the other machine; the netmask > says that 192.168.231.* are all on that network. > > Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2787637.tuNqrT9Nsf@stargate
Re: Directly connecting two computers
On Sunday 27 April 2014 08:41:47 Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > On 04/26/2014 08:56 PM, Richard Hector wrote: > > On 27/04/14 05:36, Martin wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have two computer that I want to connect directly, similarly as I did > >> long time ago with Null-Modem cable ( or LapLink cable). > >> > >> I have obtained a crossover ethernet cable that I plug in network card > >> of each computer. Now the problem is how to configure eth0 on both > >> computer so they can communicate. > >> > >> In /etc/hosts on both computers I have > >> 192.168.231.2 neolit > >> 192.168.231.3 paleolit > > > > All good so far. > > > >> On one computer I have this entry in /etc/network/interfaces > >> auto eth0 > >> iface eth0 inet static > >> > >> address 192.168.231.3 > >> pointopoint 192.168.231.2 > >> netmask 255.255.255.255 > > > > I don't know if pointopoint can work with ethernet cards, but anyway > > there's no need for it. > > The netmask is obviously wrong.# For pointopoint this is correct netmask. David > > point-to-point is 31 bit - the last octet of the netmask is 254. > > if the op wants to have a smallest possible subnetwork than he can go > with 30 bit - 255.255.255.254. > > Regards, > Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/7526462.e8oLFo81cN@stargate
Re: Directly connecting two computers
On Saturday 26 April 2014 19:36:31 Martin wrote: > Hello, > > I have two computer that I want to connect directly, similarly as I did > long time ago with Null-Modem cable ( or LapLink cable). > > I have obtained a crossover ethernet cable that I plug in network card > of each computer. Now the problem is how to configure eth0 on both > computer so they can communicate. > > In /etc/hosts on both computers I have > 192.168.231.2 neolit > 192.168.231.3 paleolit > > On one computer I have this entry in /etc/network/interfaces > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.231.3 > pointopoint 192.168.231.2 > netmask 255.255.255.255 > > When I run command route on this computer I get > # route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse > Iface neolit * 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 > 0 eth0 Nothing you have shown us in either hosts or interfaces should have generated this routing table. Could you please list your /etc/resolv.conf. David > > I can ping paleolit on this computer. > But ping neolit does not work as expected. > > On other computer I have this > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address 192.168.231.2 > pointopoint 192.168.231.3 > netmask 255.255.255.255 > > Same command on this computer gives me > # route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse > Iface paleolit * 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 > 0 eth0 > > On this computer I can successfully run ping neolit > but not ping paleolit. > > Anyway on each computer I can use eth0 interface for any local service > (smtp, http ...) but I can not connect to other side of the cable. > > Can somebody tell what I need to change in /etc/network/interfaces entry > for eth0 or is there some other setting that need to be done? > > Thanks > Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2381655.9aWJfNXQro@stargate
Re: Systemd
On Sunday 27 April 2014 00:14:24 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > > I've never had a car stop dead due to the idle mixture going out of > > spec. When something has gone seriously enough wrong with one of my > > cars to stop it, the fact that it had a carburetor (as my daily driver, > > a '78 Chrysler Newport, does) or a computer has been totally > > irrelevant. > > The last time I was in a vehicle with bad idle settings was a > Volkswagen Kombi - a nine-seater van. Not only could you tweak the > idling with a screwdriver (at least, I think that's what Dad used - it > was his, not mine), you didn't even have to exit to do so, because the > engine settings sat between the front two seats! Is that the > equivalent of running everything in a terminal? > > ChrisA Guys - Debian, please? (And I know that I often sin - perhaps it is a case of "do what I say and not what I do"? ;-) ) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404271125.43499.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Setting Up a Google+less GMail Account
Hi, Dňa Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:27:31 -0700 Patrick Bartek napísal: > > As said a few days ago, if I was able to create a gmail account > without signing up for Google+, too, I would post how I did it. > Chrome is my default browser, and all below was done with it. > > > SETTING UP A GOOGLE+LESS GMAIL ACCOUNT Here is not a Google support ML! regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?
On Sb, 26 apr 14, 20:24:12, Rick Thomas wrote: > > With more and more disks being manufactured with "Advanced format" > (4096-byte physical sectors) I'm wondering how I can tell the > Debian-installer partitioner to align all partitions on 4096-byte (or > 1 MiB for FLASH) boundaries? Is there some parameter I can pre-seed > -- or set at runtime? The wheezy installer (at least) aligns by default to 1MiB. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Directly connecting two computers
On Du, 27 apr 14, 13:15:15, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Most Ethernet network cards these days can do auto detection ... you can > use a standard network cable instead of needing a cross over cable. I > could be wrong, it might be just switches that auto detect. This seems to imply that all Gigabit (1000Base-T) devices use Auto MDI-X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-MDIX#Auto_MDI-X Also most recent 100Base-TX devices support it and this is usually advertised on the box or so. If in doubt just plug the wire ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Security updates are untrusted
On Sb, 26 apr 14, 10:02:39, Carl Johnson wrote: > > I was just checking again and the problem had returned. This time, I > immediately told aptitude to do an update and the untrusted warnings > went away again. I suspect they will come back in another day or two, > but they don't after just exiting and restarting aptitude. See if changing mirrors helps. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Systemd
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 01:33:30PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 12:08:07 +, Curt wrote: > > > On 2014-04-26, Brian wrote: > > >> > > >> A not buggy horse and buggy. > > > > > > Isn't that a quote from "Travels on the Fringes of Surrey" by Orson Cart? > > > > He might have coached me. > > > > > I'll get me coat. > > It wouldn't be unknown. He was the sort of person to spur people on once > he got the bit between his teeth. Stop horsing around you guys, this is a serious list. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140427090750.GD25923@tal
Re: Systemd
>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> I've never had a car stop dead due to the idle mixture going out of >> spec. When something has gone seriously enough wrong with one of my >> cars to stop it, the fact that it had a carburetor (as my daily driver, >> a '78 Chrysler Newport, does) or a computer has been totally >> irrelevant. Dear Joe, I fear you really missed the point. Some years ago 4 stroke engines workings where fully explained in the theory books you perused to get your driving license. A driver could learn fix and tune the working of his machine, and become able to patch the car to reach the nearest maintenance facility, since the engine was both simpler and it's working well documented and known. The same is true for the boot process. System V init is simpler, well documented and well known (maybe a bit less well known with dependecy based boot). Systemd could give better performance, like computer controlled I.C. engines. But as with computer controlled engines, some of those who were able to tinker with the boot process will lose this 'feature' (freedom?), maybe without any noticeable benefit. -- Gian Uberto Lauri Messaggio inviato da un tablet -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4de27459-390a-415f-826e-b97f38485...@eng.it
