Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 08:41:11PM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:23:13 +,
> Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:56:12 +
> >"St-Laurent, Pierre"  wrote:
> >
> >Hello Pierre,
> >
> >>Thanks Brad for giving it a try.
> >
> >You're welcome.
> >
> >>I think this confirms that the problem only affects stable (wheezy).
> >
> >I had to look up the version supplied in stable.  At v3.15.6 it's
> >/ancient/ in browser terms.
> >
> >>As a side note, the video runs fine on Internet Explorer and on
> >>Android.
> >
> >You don't say which versions of IE or Android browser you're using, but
> >I'll bet they're more recent than the version of Iceweasel you're
> >running.  I hate to say, it, but that's a bit like comparing apples and
> >oranges.
> >
> 
> Look again - the version of Iceweasel in stable is 31.2.0, Debian has
> started to provide the ESR version of Iceweasel to the stable Debian
> release. I have no idea where you got that 3.15.6 version information
> from.
> 
> To be specific: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1.

Uhh, maybe look yet again. Mine says 24.6.0. To make sure I just ran
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade with no change to browser or system.

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Re: SCSI driver for use with Jessie: which one? [Solved]

[Paul E Condon]

On 20141026_2314-0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 26/10/14 09:33 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >I found today that I don't have a scsi driver on my Jessie install.
> >I search for 'scsi' in aptitude and see several competing packages.
> >Which one is most likely to enable burning a new debian netinst CD
> >today or tomorrow? I need to reinstall Jessie on a different host
> >before this one crashes. I'm running xfce4 and xorg. To my knowledge,
> >othing exotic. But always willing to answer questions about obivious
> >essential details that I have left out.
> >
> >TIA
> 
> Drivers are part of the kernel. If you have a SCSI device, the hardware
> detection should find it and load the appropriate driver. If you don't have
> a SCSI device, it may not load the low level driver.
> 
> I gather your problem is that you want to burn a CD using a SCSI writer
> (where did you find one?). If that is the case, what errors are you getting?
> 
> If you're just trying to burn a netinst CD with SCSI packages, don't worry
> about it. Just burn a normal netinst CD. It will download the packages and
> drivers it needs.
> 

I was trying to use wodim, which I have always used since Debian abandoned
cdrecord. Your doubts about my having a SCSI drive knocked me out of my 
mental rut, and I tried using brasero, which was already installed (by the
xfce4-task, I think). It worked and I'm happy.
Thanks.

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Re: Monitor does not turn on after suspend

[Scott Ferguson]

On 26/10/14 21:26, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:27:07 +1100
> Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> 
>> On 19/10/14 02:54, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
>>> I use Wheezy on desktop computer. I use vesa driver for X because radeon is
>>> not working. After pm-suspend command, computer is like turned off, when 
>>> press
>>> power button it wakes up, but not monitor and not keyboard.
>>>
>>> I tried --quirk-dpms-on, but didn't help.
>>
>> What about these (together):-
>> --quirk-dpms-suspend
>> --quirk-dpms-on
>> --quirk-vbestate-restore
>> --quirk-vbemode-restore
>> --quirk-vga-mode3
>> --quirk-vbe-post
> 
> This doesn't work either.

You'll need to:-
;install either the radeon FOSS driver, or the proprietary driver
;as noted by another poster - add backports to your repostitories list
(then update)
;install the latest debian kernel.(linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-$YourCPU)


You'll note I wrote that I'd originally pulled packages from testing to
get this card to work, packages from wheezy-backports should (now) work
for you. (no pinning required).


> With FGLRX driver computer resets when I press power button to wake it
> up, so I am back at vesa.
> 
>> NOTE: I've only dealt with suspend and that card when dkms was used.

I've never bothered with VESA, so my success with the same card on
Debian may not be relevant (especially if you only use packages from
Wheezy).


> 
>> Was Wheezy a fresh install or did you upgrade from Squeeze ??
> 
> It was a fresh install.

Thank you.

> 
>> What sort of desktop is it (make/model) - if a no-brand, what is the
>> motherboard ??
>>
>> Could you please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere e.g.
>> paste.debian.net and post the link in your reply ??
>> HINT: pastebinit is a useful debian package for just that purpose
> 
> It's an ordinary PC. 

I'm not familiar with that manufacturer - or the options in it's BIOS :)

Could you please provide more information?

If the details are not on the motherboard/case:-

If you have dmidecode installed, as root:-
dmidecode -t 1,2,3 | grep 'Manu\|Prod'

Or, if you have lshw installed, as root:-
lshw -short | head -n 4 | tail -n 2


> There is nothing special in Xorg.log, except that
> the card is not detected.

Surely it shows what *is* detected, what is read from xorg.conf if it
exist, information about your monitor/s, and what is attempted and failed??

Which is why I asked for it... :)

> 
> 
> 

The additional information is required to try and ensure nothing else
(other than drivers and a later kernel) will stop your video card from
functioning properly. There still remains possible problems with module
blacklisting and kernel parameters, which I sometimes find people have
"tried", and forgotten to revert to defaults.


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debian-installer grub install problem

[Ric Marques]

I need to install wheezy via pxe boot to many (hundreds) of systems.  The 
problem I am currently running into in my testing is that my boot drive is 
enumerated by udev as /dev/sdat in many of those systems, and the grub-install 
routine inside debian-installer will not install to that device...  I already 
have worked out how to select the proper device with a script in preseed.

Is there a way to manipulate udev rules so that I can force my boot drive to 
always enumerate as sda, or is there a way to get grub-install to work with 
more than the first 16 devices (that is where I found it to stop working 
/dev/sdp).

Any suggestions, besides the painfully obvious (and nearly impossible) removal 
of the extra 45 drives in each of the systems?

Thank you,

Ric

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Re: SCSI driver for use with Jessie: which one?

[Gary Dale]

On 26/10/14 09:33 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:

I found today that I don't have a scsi driver on my Jessie install.
I search for 'scsi' in aptitude and see several competing packages.
Which one is most likely to enable burning a new debian netinst CD
today or tomorrow? I need to reinstall Jessie on a different host
before this one crashes. I'm running xfce4 and xorg. To my knowledge,
othing exotic. But always willing to answer questions about obivious
essential details that I have left out.

TIA


Drivers are part of the kernel. If you have a SCSI device, the hardware 
detection should find it and load the appropriate driver. If you don't 
have a SCSI device, it may not load the low level driver.


I gather your problem is that you want to burn a CD using a SCSI writer 
(where did you find one?). If that is the case, what errors are you getting?


If you're just trying to burn a netinst CD with SCSI packages, don't 
worry about it. Just burn a normal netinst CD. It will download the 
packages and drivers it needs.



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Re: Check whether an update for a particular package is available without upgrading

[tor...@riseup.net]

> On a Wheezy system, I have used aptitude exclusively for
> updates/upgrades, etc.  Looking for a command line option to use with
> aptitude to check whether updates are available for a single arbitrary
> package, e.g. "debian-reference-en" for example.

> Have searched the WWW and man pages without finding anything like "dry
> run" or "show possible upgrades" specifically for aptitude.
> Previously I've seen recommendations to use aptitude or apt-get for
> updates/upgrades but not mix them due to creating inconsistencies in
> the package file listings, or something.  (Maybe this isn't an issue
> in 2014?)

> Again, want this for a single package, but suppose a list of all
> potential upgrades would be OK as long as it's a listing only and
> doesn't engage in an actual package upgrade.

> Thanks for any insight, explanation, methods, command line arguments,
>etc.
You did already get an answer, using the -s argument. As long you only
want the info for one package "apt-cache policy [packagename]" should
work too. I couldn't find the according aptitude argument.

I have heard too that mixing aptitude and apt-get is not recommended.
But a) i never had problems in doing it and b) i think those problems
don't exist anymore (or at least not as serious as they've been in the
past). Not that i would see much use in switching between both all the
time ... 


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Re: Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

[tor...@riseup.net]

Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis:
>> 
>>   after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie
>>  with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided
>>  the following. In the companie's pc's i support, i'll continue with
>>   Wheezy and if there is no a clear path to Jessie without a trace of
>>  systemd until Wheezy's support lifetime then bye - bye Debian. 

>Good luck finding *any* distro with a current Gnome that does not
>depend
>on systemd.
http://www.funtoo.org/Welcome :
GNOME 3.12 (without systemd, because that's how we roll.)
as far i can tell, gnome3 is not my thing.

>I really don't get why Debian receives so much hate in this discussion.
>Upstream software depending on systemd is not Debian's choice.
I do recall times when Debian had quite stubborn discussions (still
lasting, btw) with upstream about questions not really worth it. Don't
think it has earned hate though, but a bit more resistance wouldn't
have hurt. And a project of that size would be heard it it speaks up
(it's not just a few derivates of Debian where the users complain bout
down-your-throat-systemd in the according fora).
But in general i agree: staying friendly would be better. I guess that
was your point. 


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SCSI driver for use with Jessie: which one?

[Paul E Condon]

I found today that I don't have a scsi driver on my Jessie install.
I search for 'scsi' in aptitude and see several competing packages.
Which one is most likely to enable burning a new debian netinst CD
today or tomorrow? I need to reinstall Jessie on a different host
before this one crashes. I'm running xfce4 and xorg. To my knowledge,
othing exotic. But always willing to answer questions about obivious
essential details that I have left out. 

TIA
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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

[John Hasler]

Don Armstrong writes:
> Debian has packages which have dependencies on some of the libraries
> that systemd provides. That's orthogonal to whether Debian requires
> systemd to be PID 1 or not.

Some people are phobic of the string "systemd".  Rename systemd-shim
pid1-shim.  Rename libsystemd libmisc.  Problem solved.

I don't like Systemd and intend to try to avoid installing it, but I see
no point in getting exercised about adding one more do-nothing library
to the thousand or so I already have installed.
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Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Mario Castelán Castro]

I achieved success with this preseed:

d-i debian-installer/localestring en_US
d-i console-setup/ask_detect   boolean false
d-i console-setup/layoutcode   select us
d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap  select us
d-i keyboard-configuration/toggle  select No toggling
d-i debconf/priority   select critical
d-i auto-install/enabled   boolean true
d-i netcfg/choose_interfaceselect eth0
d-i netcfg/get_hostnamestring server
d-i netcfg/get_domain  string server.none
d-i network-console/password   password 
d-i network-console/password-again password 

Now what it remains is to configure GRUB using grub-reboot to boot the 
image once and if booted again, fall back to the existing installation 
so as to lower the risk of rending the system effectively unbootable.




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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

[Don Armstrong]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, lee wrote:
> That's an abuse of dependencies, and I consider it a bug. The package
> management needs to take care of this itself.
>
> That shouldn't need to be installed when systemd isn't used.
>
> libselinux might then also fall under "abuse of dependencies".

If a binary links against a library, the library must be present for
the binary to run. It doesn't matter if the codepaths you are using
don't use those symbols, they still must be there.

The only way around this is to dlopen(), and that produces its own host
of problems.

> To sum it up:  No matter whether you use systemd or not, Debian depends
> on it.

Debian has packages which have dependencies on some of the libraries
that systemd provides. That's orthogonal to whether Debian requires
systemd to be PID 1 or not.

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Fwd: Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Thanks for your help, but I have already included the part of the
example that relates to keyboard configuration and it doesn't work.


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Re: Linux kernel version for Jessie

[Santiago Vila]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? Is there
> any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x, 3.18.x).

Is this important at all? You will always be able to build your own
kernel or use one from backports.


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Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Mario Castelán Castro]

I have followed . It 
almost worked. The problem is that the built image still prompts for a 
keyboard layout locally, and so the image don't meets it purpose for 
local installation. My preseed.cfg is this:


d-i debian-installer/localestring en_US
d-i keymap select us
d-i keyboard-configuration/toggle  select No toggling
d-i debconf/priority   select critical
d-i auto-install/enabled   boolean true
d-i netcfg/choose_interfaceselect eth0
d-i netcfg/get_hostnamestring server
d-i netcfg/get_domain  string server.none
d-i network-console/password   password 
d-i network-console/password-again password 

I have trouble finding documentation related to debian-installer and 
presiding. What should I do to preseed the keyboard layout?.


Regards and thanks.


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Re: Debian and upstream choices

[lee]

Martin Steigerwald  writes:

> Maybe I failed at avoiding personal attacks, but I still think I didn´t. On 
> any account, my attempt to bring this upstream did not produce the outcome I 
> wanted to produce, so I stopped it.

Well, remember what I told you?


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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

[lee]

Christian Seiler  writes:

> But it also includes the utility 'logger'. In recent util-linux
> versions, 'logger' has gained a --journald flag that allows one to log
> to systemd's journal from the command line. This is the reason for the
> dependency on libsystemd0, so that 'logger' may write to the journal if
> requested. (By default, it will of course still log to syslog.)
>
> libsystemd0 is just 140 KiB and contains utility functions that might be
> useful for programs interfacing with systemd. It is absolutely harmless
> on systems with another init system, it will just tell the programs that
> systemd is not running.
>
> logger itself works just fine without systemd being PID1, just the
> --journald option will not work then.

So now we are supposed to install packages to have software with no
other function than to tell other software that software we don't have
installed on our system isn't running.

That's an abuse of dependencies, and I consider it a bug.  The package
management needs to take care of this itself.

>  - libsystemd0
>systemd utility functions for use in software interfacing with
>systemd. Does not require systemd to be PID1.

That shouldn't need to be installed when systemd isn't used.

> So basically, if you don't want systemd:
>
>  - you will not get around libsystemd0, but that is really, really
>harmless (you also don't get grid of libselinux on jessie, but I
>don't see anybody complaining there, because its functionality is
>disabled by default, same with libsystemd0 if systemd is not PID1)

libselinux might then also fall under "abuse of dependencies".

>  - you will also not really get around udev on Debian, which is also
>built from the systemd source package (because both are developed in
>the same source tree), but that's independent of systemd itself
>
>  - if you don't need logind (i.e. no desktop environment that requires
>it), then you will need nothing else
>
>  - if you need logind (i.e. using a desktop environment that requires
>it), then you will also need to have the systemd package installed
>(see above: does NOT make systemd PID1, but logind is contained in
>there), and then you'll also want the systemd-shim if you don't want
>systemd to be PID1

To sum it up:  No matter whether you use systemd or not, Debian depends
on it.


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Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Cyril Brulebois]

Mario Castelán Castro  (2014-10-26):
> I have followed . It
> almost worked. The problem is that the built image still prompts for
> a keyboard layout locally, and so the image don't meets it purpose
> for local installation. My preseed.cfg is this:
> 
> d-i debian-installer/localestring en_US
> d-i keymap select us
> d-i keyboard-configuration/toggle  select No toggling
> d-i debconf/priority   select critical
> d-i auto-install/enabled   boolean true
> d-i netcfg/choose_interfaceselect eth0
> d-i netcfg/get_hostnamestring server
> d-i netcfg/get_domain  string server.none
> d-i network-console/password   password 
> d-i network-console/password-again password 
> 
> I have trouble finding documentation related to debian-installer and
> presiding. What should I do to preseed the keyboard layout?.

https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt should help.

Mraw,
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Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Mario Castelán Castro]

I see.

I have noticed that there's a preseeding parameter 
network-console/authorized_keys_url, which may point to an URL. Is 
there a way I can *embed* my SSH public key in the initrd and then use 
file:/// or similar and likewise embed the public key to be used by the 
server?


Will it matter which keyboard layout I set in d-i keymap select 
 (since it's going to be installed and then managed through SSH)?


Regards and thanks a lot.

P.S: The tutorial in
 
involves downloading an ISO from that user's server, and at any rate it 
seems like the ISO image has to be keep in a partition. I will follow 
the procedure of making a custom net boot image with preseeding.



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Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Mario Castelán Castro]

I see.

I have noticed that there's a preseeding parameter 
network-console/authorized_keys_url, which may point to an URL. Is 
there a way I can *embed* my SSH public key in the initrd and then use 
file:/// or similar and likewise embed the public key to be used by the 
server?


Will it matter which keyboard layout I set in d-i keymap select 
 (since it's going to be installed and then managed through SSH)?


Regards and thanks a lot.

P.S: The tutorial in
 
involves downloading an ISO from that user's server, and at any rate it 
seems like the ISO image has to be keep in a partition. I will follow 
the procedure of making a custom net boot image with preseeding.



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Keyboard layouts in preseeding

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Hello.

For Debian installed preseeding, where can I see a list of available 
keyboard layouts which can be specified as "d-i keymap select "?.


Thanks.


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Strange behavior in real terminals

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Hello.

I noticed that by using the cursor keys in the default terminals 
(Ctrl+Alt+1 to 6) one can move the cursor to empty lines. Is this how it 
is supposed to behave?.



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oh crap. samba creating files with group root

[briand]

AFAIC from reading man page and  googling that should ONLY happen if i am using

 admin users =

i am not, and the smb.conf man page says the default is blank, so none of the 
users should be accessing as root.

anybody have any ideas what's going on ?

more importantly, why is it so hard for me to figure out why it's doing 
something so incredibly broken ?


Brian


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Re: Linux kernel version for Jessie

[Sven Hartge]

Georgi Naplatanov  wrote:

> what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? 

3.16.x

> Is there any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x,
> 3.18.x).

Zero chance: https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html

Grüße,
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Linux kernel version for Jessie

[Georgi Naplatanov]

Hi list,

what kernel version will Jessie have when it became stable ? Is there
any chance for newer version than 3.16.x (for example 3.17.x, 3.18.x).

Kind regards
Georgi


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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[David Christensen]

On 10/26/2014 12:17 PM, Jean-Marc wrote:

Thank so much for your answers.


YW.



After reading them in the list archives, I think I will go for:
- no dedicated partition for /boot;
- no swap;
- one big partition under LVM with:
- 2 Lv's for / and /home, maybe a third one for /var;
- /tmp on tmpfs.


I ran my machines without swap for a while, and found that applications 
crashed when the system was low on memory and I did something that 
required memory (start a program, open a file, etc.).  So, a swap 
partition is necessary; 512 MB seems to work for my needs.



HTH,

David


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Re: Check whether an update for a particular package is available without upgrading

[Keith Christian]

Hi Andrei,

Thanks for the extra commands.  Unfortunately, some don't work on my
Wheezy system, are you using a more recent version of aptitude or
apt-get perhaps?


Here is some output:


aptitude search '?upgradeable'
E: Unknown term type: "upgradeable".


apt-get policy debian-reference-en
E: Invalid operation policy




On the other hand, apt-cache policy succeeds whereas apt-get policy
fails, again, probably a version difference.


apt-cache policy debian-reference-en
debian-reference-en:
  Installed: 2.50
  Candidate: 2.50
  Version table:
 *** 2.50 0
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


If you have any insight into why aptitude search '?upgradeable' fails
on Wheezy, i'd be interested, it looks like a very handy command to
get a complete listing vs. for only one package.


=== Keith



On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Andrei POPESCU
 wrote:
> On Sb, 25 oct 14, 14:59:28, Keith Christian wrote:
>>
>> Have searched the WWW and man pages without finding anything like "dry
>> run" or "show possible upgrades" specifically for aptitude.
>
> aptitude search '?upgradeable'
>
> The full aptitude documentation is in the package aptitude-doc-en.
>
> If you only want information about a particular package you can use one of
>
> $ aptitude versions ^cron$
> Package cron:
> p A 3.0pl1-124stable
> 500
> p A 3.0pl1-124.2  testing   
> 500
> i A 3.0pl1-126  
> 100
> p A 3.0pl1-127unstable  
> 500
>
> (aptitude's 'versions' always treats the package name as a pattern, so you 
> have
> to be a bit more specific if you get too many hits)
>
> $ apt-get policy cron
>
> cron:
>   Installed: 3.0pl1-126
>   Candidate: 3.0pl1-127
>   Version table:
>  3.0pl1-127 0
> 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
>  *** 3.0pl1-126 0
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>  3.0pl1-124.2 0
> 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages
>  3.0pl1-124 0
> 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
>
>
> $ apt show cron
> Listing... Done
> cron/unstable 3.0pl1-127 i386 [upgradable from: 3.0pl1-126]
> N: There are 3 additional versions. Please use the '-a' switch to see them.
>
> (the 'apt' command is only available as of Jessie)
>
>> Previously I've seen recommendations to use aptitude or apt-get for
>> updates/upgrades but not mix them due to creating inconsistencies in
>> the package file listings, or something.  (Maybe this isn't an issue
>> in 2014?)
>
> Shouldn't be. If you find any please do file a bug.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[John Hasler]

All good ideas.  Another one would be to set up a public repository to
make your systemd-free packages (based on Debian source) available.  You
might even be able to get a Debian developer to assist you.
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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:51:22AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> These reasons alone are quite significant and I don't want any of the
> systems that I maintain being effected by these risks.

You should do one of the following

a) switch to a source-based distribution where you can easily disable
   a distro-wide dependency with something like Gentoo's USE flags

b) rebuild the effected packages in Debian from source, disabling the
   systemd dependency and install your locally-built package,

b.1.) where this is not achievable via setting something in
  DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, write a patch to add this functionality to the
  source package and submit it to the BTS (priority wishlist). If you
  aren't able to write the patch yourself, request one (again priority
  wishlist)

b.2.) Acknowledging that rebuilding packages on Debian is not as convenient
  as using a source-based distribution, perhaps by following a mixture
  of a) to gain experience of how they work, and b) to gain experience
  of how well that works; draft a proposal for how the experience in
  Debian could be improved in a way compatible with the "normal" way
  of operation. Perhaps a tool could be written to make a list of
  packages which you (the user) wants to have built from source, with
  a default DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS setting, that can be triggered when a new
  source package version is available, so upgrades are (more) seamless.
  If you have something concrete enough, consider starting
  a "Debian Enhancement Proposal"[1]. Otherwise, a draft proposal would
  be on-topic for debian-devel.

[1] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/

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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:15:23PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> You forgot about the ftp-masters, the release team and the security
> team. They all have their word to say about which package can or cannot
> be in the archive or part of a release. And usually they are not really
> pro having the same code base twice in the archive.

The "right" way to achieve that would not be a separate source package upload,
but for the original source package for a hypothetical program 'foo' to
generate the existing 'foo' binary package and a 'foo-nosystemd' (or whatever)
binary package as well.

This is a geometric increase in packaging complexity and a maintainer (or
team of maintainers) would likely only consider it if there was a very good
reason for the new package, and sufficient resource in the team to manage
the complexity of the packaging and the resulting extra bugs etc.


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Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:41:11 +0100
Andreas Rönnquist  wrote:

Hello Andreas,

>Look again - the version of Iceweasel in stable is 31.2.0, Debian has

Yes, you're right.  I was looking in the wrong place (oldstable)(1).  So,
much of what I said ref apples and oranges is moot.

Sorry for the confusion.

(1)  Let's just call it a senior moment.

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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[Erwan David]

Le 26/10/2014 20:17, Jean-Marc a écrit :
> Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:32:48 -0700
> David Christensen  écrivait :
>
>> [...]
>>
> Thank so much for your answers.
> After reading them in the list archives, I think I will go for:
> - no dedicated partition for /boot;
> - no swap;
> - one big partition under LVM with:
> - 2 Lv's for / and /home, maybe a third one for /var;
> - /tmp on tmpfs.
>
>
> Jean-Marc 

Beware : swap partition is used for hibernation, which you can find
useful on a laptop




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Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[Andreas Rönnquist]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:23:13 +,
Brad Rogers wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:56:12 +
>"St-Laurent, Pierre"  wrote:
>
>Hello Pierre,
>
>>Thanks Brad for giving it a try.
>
>You're welcome.
>
>>I think this confirms that the problem only affects stable (wheezy).
>
>I had to look up the version supplied in stable.  At v3.15.6 it's
>/ancient/ in browser terms.
>
>>As a side note, the video runs fine on Internet Explorer and on
>>Android.
>
>You don't say which versions of IE or Android browser you're using, but
>I'll bet they're more recent than the version of Iceweasel you're
>running.  I hate to say, it, but that's a bit like comparing apples and
>oranges.
>

Look again - the version of Iceweasel in stable is 31.2.0, Debian has
started to provide the ESR version of Iceweasel to the stable Debian
release. I have no idea where you got that 3.15.6 version information
from.

To be specific: 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1.

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Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:56:12 +
"St-Laurent, Pierre"  wrote:

Hello Pierre,

>Thanks Brad for giving it a try.

You're welcome.

>I think this confirms that the problem only affects stable (wheezy).

I had to look up the version supplied in stable.  At v3.15.6 it's
/ancient/ in browser terms.

>As a side note, the video runs fine on Internet Explorer and on Android.

You don't say which versions of IE or Android browser you're using, but
I'll bet they're more recent than the version of Iceweasel you're
running.  I hate to say, it, but that's a bit like comparing apples and
oranges.

>Thanks again for giving it a try,

No problem.

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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[Jean-Marc]

Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:32:48 -0700
David Christensen  écrivait :

> [...]
> 

Thank so much for your answers.
After reading them in the list archives, I think I will go for:
- no dedicated partition for /boot;
- no swap;
- one big partition under LVM with:
- 2 Lv's for / and /home, maybe a third one for /var;
- /tmp on tmpfs.


Jean-Marc 


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Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[St-Laurent, Pierre]

> I don't see that report
> I'm using iceweasel from experimental on a testing machine.

Thanks Brad for giving it a try.
I think this confirms that the problem only affects stable (wheezy).

As a side note, the video runs fine on Internet Explorer and on Android.

Thanks again for giving it a try,
Pierre

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Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:13:16 +
"St-Laurent, Pierre"  wrote:

Hello Pierre,

>Type "http://www.nordet.net/etc/noreaster.mp4"; in the url bar
>I get "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt".

I don't see that report(1), but the video downloads so slowly (>3 mins
here) that playing it in the browser is best described as 'painful'.  The
only sensible way to view it was to d/l the file and spool the video from
the local HD.

(1)  I'm using iceweasel from experimental on a testing machine.

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iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

[St-Laurent, Pierre]

Hi,

I use debian stable (wheezy) on my amd-64 laptop. Somewhere over the last weeks 
my iceweasel stopped playing mp4 videos.
I get the error message "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt".

iceweasel was playing the same video file perfectly fine a few weeks ago. I 
haven't changed anything to the laptop except for security updates (apt-get 
update, apt-get upgrade).
It might be a coincidence, but I noticed that my iceweasel was recently updated 
to 31.2.0 through security updates.
So I *think* the problem is with the iceweasel package, but I might be wrong.

How to reproduce the problem:

Type "http://www.nordet.net/etc/noreaster.mp4"; in the url bar
I get "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt".
If I download the mp4 file on the hard drive and play it through mplayer or 
totem, the video plays fine.

Has anybody noticed a similar problem?

Thanks for your time,
Pierre

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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[David Christensen]

On 10/26/2014 04:43 AM, Jean-Marc wrote:

I will reinstall my laptop.
I have a question about partitioning.
I will use this setting:
/boot
swap
The rest under LVM (/, /var, /tmp, /home) ?
So, my question: /boot or not /boot ?
Jean-Marc 
P.S. I do not subscribe to the list; keep me in Cc:


I use the following for the machines in my SOHO, including my laptop:

unencrypted boot - 512 MB
encrypted swap - 512 MB, random password
encrypted root - 8 to 20 GB, depending upon use


Keeping the system drives small facilitates taking/ restoring images for 
disaster recovery and experimentation/ learning.



My bulk data is on one machine running Samba.


If I want to put some bulk data on my laptop, I add another partition.


I used LVM for a while, but didn't find any benefit for my use-cases.


I used ZFS FUSE and ZFS on Linux (ZOL) for bulk data for a while.  I was 
intrigued by ZFS's checksum, RAID, and de-duplication features, but the 
killer features turned out to be snapshots and replication.  zfs-fuse is 
an official Debian Apt package.  ZOL is a LLNL project with good support 
for 64-bit Debian (and others).  ZOL requires more work (including 
hand-rolled init and shutdown scripts), but is faster and has more 
features than zfs-fuse.



HTH,

David


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Re: Question re: updating debain stable kernels...

[Curt]

On 2014-10-26, Joe  wrote:
>
> There was a time when a kernel upgrade always triggered a message which
> urged a reboot as soon as possible. I'm not sure when it stopped
> happening, a quick Google suggests that it disappeared after lenny.
>

I get a message to reboot in squeeze after a kernel upgrade (an icon
appears in the upper panel of Gnome).


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Re: Screen doesn't turn off

[Alan Greenberger]

On 2014-10-23, Catalin Soare  wrote:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi,
>
> I've got 2 computera, both running Debian Wheezy, all updates applied. One
> of them seems to ignore the "Brightness and lock" setting which should make
> the screen turn off after 30 minutes.
> It simply remains on all day or night.
>
> Anyone have a clue what additional setting I should check?

type "xset q".  If it reports that DPMS is not enabled,
type "xset +dpms"


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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[Mario Castelán Castro]

> Hi the list,


I will reinstall my laptop.

I have a question about partitioning.
I will use this setting:
/boot
swap
The rest under LVM (/, /var, /tmp, /home) ?

So, my question: /boot or not /boot ?

Jean-Marc 

P.S. I do not subscribe to the list; keep me in Cc:


Jean-Marc, I think that everybody misses your request to keep you in the 
CC. You might want to check the list archives for more replies.


If it's of any use of you, my setup in my laptop is this: I have set up 
everything in LVM, including /boot. That's how I have my machine 
configured. I have a LV for each of / and /home, a LV for bulk downloads 
which aren't hard to recover and another Debian installation as well in 
the same VG (the /). This setting allows me to back up home directories 
often with LVM snapshots while the rest isn't backed up as often. Bulk 
downloads aren't backed up at all. I don't have a separate partition for 
/boot in either Debian installation. GRUB is configured to use the /boot 
of my main installation. I forgot to create a different PV for /tmp so 
that my snapshots don't grow, which I'm just going to do. LVM snapshots 
are useful, but they're not substitute for backups in different media. 
You can use the former to create the later by creating a snapshot, then 
dumping it to an external HD or a remote server.


Regards.


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Re: gnome: cannot use the applets (power, network settings, etc)

[H.S.]

On 10/04/2014 11:35 AM, H.S. wrote:


Folks,

Since a few months now, I have not been able to use some settings from
the applets (top right corner of screen, gnome). The log off button
works, but reboot/shutdown doesn't. I am also not able to configure my
wired network connection from the applet. Any change I make does not
stick. Suspiciously seems like a permissions issue, but I can't track it
down. It used to work smoothly earlier.

Suggestions on how to go about debugging and fixing this issue?

Thanks.



Turns out had to install systemd (what is new stuff anyway?) to make 
auto mounting work.


Still working on other issues.

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how to get pulse audio controls with easily again?

[H.S.]

Till some months ago, before I got a big gnome upgrade in my Debtian 
Testing machine, I could right click on the audio icon on the status 
barn in gnome, click on properties and get the pulse audio controls.


I cannot do that anymore. I have first open properties window, find the 
audio section and then click there to get the same interface.


How can I make this simpler without the need for intermediate window? 
Would be great if I can get an icon on the status bar directory for 
audio controls.


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systemd: user@9.service failed

[Nate Bargmann]

This is somewhat puzzling.  When I run 'systemctl status' I see:

● merlin
State: degraded
 Jobs: 0 queued
   Failed: 1 units
Since: Sat 2014-10-25 22:52:07 CDT; 9h ago
   CGroup: /


The resulting tree displayed is of the running processes, so I ran
'systemctl --failed' and I see:

  UNIT   LOAD   ACTIVE SUBDESCRIPTION
● user@9.service loaded failed failed User Manager for UID 9

LOAD   = Reflects whether the unit definition was properly loaded.
ACTIVE = The high-level unit activation state, i.e. generalization of SUB.
SUB= The low-level unit activation state, values depend on unit type.

1 loaded units listed. Pass --all to see loaded but inactive units, too.
To show all installed unit files use 'systemctl list-unit-files'.


Well, 'systemctl status user@9.service' reports:

● user@9.service - User Manager for UID 9
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static)
   Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Sun 2014-10-26 01:51:45 CDT; 6h ago
  Process: 3483 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd --user (code=killed, signal=KILL)
 Main PID: 3483 (code=killed, signal=KILL)
   Status: "Startup finished in 142ms."


Looking at /etc/passwd, UID 9 is:

news:x:9:9:news:/var/spool/news:/usr/sbin/nologin


and /var/log/syslog only shows:

Oct 26 01:51:45 merlin systemd[1]: user@9.service stop-sigterm timed out. 
Killing.
Oct 26 01:51:45 merlin systemd[1]: Unit user@9.service entered failed state.


Other than the fact that /var/spool/news does not exist, I don't have
anything news related installed except for slrn which I run as a local
user and not as a system instance.  Interestingly, another Sid system
with systemd also has the same UID of 9 defined and /var/spool/news does
not exist either but I am not seeing the same unit failure on it. On the
kernel commandline is passed 'systemd.show_status=1' but I don't see
mention of a failure during the startup output to the screen.

Comparing the two systems I see that the one with the failure has
'console-kit-daemon.service' shown as "active (running)" and the one
without the failure shows it as "inactive (dead)".  The consolekit
package is installed on each system, but '/etc/systemd/system' doesn't
have anything related to consolekit on either machine.

No doubt, this is a minor thing and I am trying to understand the
systemd way of doing things and how to follow up on minor issues like
this.

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Re: What to do with dead raid 1 partitions under mdadm

[mett]

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> As I undertand your issue:
> - you had RAID 1 arrays md0 (sda1+sdb1) and md1 (sda2+sdb2),
> - sdb1 & sdb2 showed an error, so you removed them from the arrays
> and added sdb3 & sdb4 from the same physical disk,
> - you are now wondering what to do with two partitions on device sdb 
> (sdb1 & sdb2).

- -->exactly
 
> I'm guessing that sdb is nearly toast. Run smartctl -H /dev/sdb on
> it. If it passes, remove it from the array and repartition it, then
> add it back into the array.
> 
> If it fails, remove if from your computer and replace it. Whatever
> new drive you get will probably be larger than your current drives,
> so partition it so that the sdb1 is larger than the current sd1a and
> the rest of the space goes to sdb2. In this way, you can expand md1
> when you eventually have to replace sda (it will happen - disks
> eventually fail).
> 
> In general it is a really bad idea to keep a filing disk in your
> system. It not only will fail sooner rather than later but will also
> slow down your system due to i/o failures.
> 
> 

I'll try that and update the results.

Thanks a lot for both answers
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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[Miles Fidelman]

Andrew McGlashan wrote:

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On 26/10/2014 10:24 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:

Andrew McGlashan wrote:

That is 100% true, I couldn't give a rats if it is PID1 or not.  It IS
systemd, that's more than enough for me to want it OUT -- it's a
cancer that is spreading and it needs to be eradicated *before* it is
nigh impossible.

It is an habit in debian to compile the packages with as many options
as possible as long as it's not adding pile of new dependencies or
causing issues to the other packages in the archive.

IMHO, if you have the (non-technical?) requirement to not have any
systemd component on your system, you'll have to either start building
your own packages (you can have a look at apt-build) and maybe propose
sensible patches to make it easier for the debian users to opt-out when
rebuilding packages. Or switch to a distribution that allows you to
select which components are enabled at build time.

You are completely missing the point.  It is not technical, nor
political.  Two main developers cause significant concern about systemd
in particular and also what systemd is in itself brings other concerns
- -- the attack surface/risk also comes in to play.

One lead developer was responsible for the /mess/ that many people
believe to be ... Pulse Audio his *vision* for systemd is all about
"Poettering: Revisiting how we put together Linux systems" [1].  Another
developer's code won't even be accepted by Linus as the developer has
been found to be untrustworthy to Linus.

These reasons alone are quite significant and I don't want any of the
systems that I maintain being effected by these risks.



The term you're looking for is "operational risk" - which is also my 
main problem



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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[Andrew McGlashan]

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> Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> That is 100% true, I couldn't give a rats if it is PID1 or not.  It IS
>> systemd, that's more than enough for me to want it OUT -- it's a
>> cancer that is spreading and it needs to be eradicated *before* it is
>> nigh impossible.
> 
> It is an habit in debian to compile the packages with as many options
> as possible as long as it's not adding pile of new dependencies or
> causing issues to the other packages in the archive.
> 
> IMHO, if you have the (non-technical?) requirement to not have any
> systemd component on your system, you'll have to either start building
> your own packages (you can have a look at apt-build) and maybe propose
> sensible patches to make it easier for the debian users to opt-out when
> rebuilding packages. Or switch to a distribution that allows you to
> select which components are enabled at build time.

You are completely missing the point.  It is not technical, nor
political.  Two main developers cause significant concern about systemd
in particular and also what systemd is in itself brings other concerns
- -- the attack surface/risk also comes in to play.

One lead developer was responsible for the /mess/ that many people
believe to be ... Pulse Audio his *vision* for systemd is all about
"Poettering: Revisiting how we put together Linux systems" [1].  Another
developer's code won't even be accepted by Linus as the developer has
been found to be untrustworthy to Linus.

These reasons alone are quite significant and I don't want any of the
systems that I maintain being effected by these risks.

A.

[1] http://lwn.net/Articles/610067/
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[SOLVED] Re: visualize data transfer in shell

[Hans]

Am Sonntag, 26. Oktober 2014, 09:27:10 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Hans wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > is there a way, to visualize data transfer in the shell? Years ago, I used
> > a command like "hash on" or similar, which shows a progress bar made of
> > hash (#) signs in the shell, when I transferred data with i.e. rsync.
> 
> If you're talking watching data transfer during an ftp tranfer, then
> "hash" is exactly the right command (see man ftp).
> 
> With rsync, it's the --progress flag (see man rsync)
> 
> If you're more interested in transfer via a network port, then vnstat
> and ntop are the tools for the job.
> 
> Miles Fidelman
Ah, that's it, yes.

It might be, that it was ftp that days, what I used. Thanks also for the 
pointing to the --progress point of rsync.

I should read manuals more often, sigh.

Problem solved so far.

Thanks again. 

Best

Hans  


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Re: visualize data transfer in shell

[Miles Fidelman]

Hans wrote:

Hi folks,

is there a way, to visualize data transfer in the shell? Years ago, I used a
command like "hash on" or similar, which shows a progress bar made of hash (#)
signs in the shell, when I transferred data with i.e. rsync.


If you're talking watching data transfer during an ftp tranfer, then 
"hash" is exactly the right command (see man ftp).


With rsync, it's the --progress flag (see man rsync)

If you're more interested in transfer via a network port, then vnstat 
and ntop are the tools for the job.


Miles Fidelman



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visualize data transfer in shell

[Hans]

Hi folks, 

is there a way, to visualize data transfer in the shell? Years ago, I used a 
command like "hash on" or similar, which shows a progress bar made of hash (#) 
signs in the shell, when I transferred data with i.e. rsync.

But as I did not use this feature now for many years, I forgot, how to do it. 
Google did not help much, or I searched wrong.

Would be nice, if som,eone could give me clue.

Thanks

Hans


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Re: Monitor does not turn on after suspend

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> > Sapphire Radeon R7 240 ??
> 
> Yes, the card is Radeon R7 240, but I'm not sure about Sapphire.
> According to Wikipedia this chipset is lauched Oct 8 2013, so not
> strange drivers are still not supporting it (well).

You'll likely have a lot more luck using the backported Jessie kernel from
debian-backports, and free drivers.  I don't think our 3.2 kernel has the
latest kernel-side radeon DRM code that address several issues on these
newer GPUs (and I don't think we can backport all of it to 3.2 either).

> With FGLRX driver computer resets when I press power button to wake it
> up, so I am back at vesa.

Indeed... fglrx is likely to work fine for that card, but only if you're
using a backport *and* the new kernel :(  (and I am not sure of that
either).

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Re: Question re: updating debain stable kernels...

[Sven Joachim]

On 2014-10-26 13:46 +0100, Joe wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:13:24 +0100
> Håkon Alstadheim  wrote:
>> 
>> The point is that loading kernel modules after a kernel update will
>> not always work, so  a reboot is in my experience advisable before
>> you do any configuration changes involving module loading.

This is indeed true, therefore the recommendation to reboot ASAP (but
not sooner) is reasonable.

> There was a time when a kernel upgrade always triggered a message which
> urged a reboot as soon as possible. I'm not sure when it stopped
> happening, a quick Google suggests that it disappeared after lenny.

Actually before that, it was in the 2.6.24-1 upload January 2008:

,
| linux-2.6 (2.6.24-1) unstable; urgency=low
| [...]
|   [ Bastian Blank ]
|   * Kill reboot warning from old templates.
| [...]
|  -- Bastian Blank   Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:35:11 +0100
`

http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel?view=revision&revision=10186

Cheers,
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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> It is an habit in debian to compile the packages with as many options
> as possible as long as it's not adding pile of new dependencies or
> causing issues to the other packages in the archive.

Not an "habit".  It is a directive, and we have very good reasons to do so.
it is also a *very* old directive as far as I can remember, I think it has
been around for at least a decade.

> I don't see how a library that turns itself into a noop if PID1 is
> not systemd fits into any of these 2 categories in the case of
> util-linux (or probably any packages depending against libsystemd0).

Indeed.  We don't make many exceptions to this, and AFAIK most of them are
either related to *very heavy* dependency chains (such as an entire stack of
X libraries that depend themselves on font packages, etc), or when the
package is very security sensitive and the new dependency adds a
considerable security risk due to increased attack surface, or when the
package needs to have a very tiny light version for some reason that is
*NOT* the installer (for the installer, we use udeb packages).

None of those reasons are valid for util-linux and libsystemd0.

Now, suppose there was a *strong* technical reason (not a political or
ideological one) to have a version of util-linux not linked to libsystemd0.
The proper way to do that (and the only one we'd accept) is to have the
*SAME SOURCE PACKAGE* (i.e. package util-linux) generate two sets of binary
packages.  This rule exists to ease future maintenance and security
maintenance, and we only accept exceptions to it when non-free dependencies
are involved (no package in Debian main may create or depend on non-free
packages).

> IMHO, if you have the (non-technical?) requirement to not have any
> systemd component on your system, you'll have to either start building
> your own packages (you can have a look at apt-build) and maybe propose
> sensible patches to make it easier for the debian users to opt-out when
> rebuilding packages. Or switch to a distribution that allows you to
> select which components are enabled at build time.

We have a few packages that provide this type of behaviour, they can be
built with/without extra dependencies through the use of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS,
but yes, the user must do the dpkg-buildpackage herself.  AFAIK, it is used
when there is a reasonable common need to extend functionality linking to
either non-free, or patent-encumbered code.  But we prefer to find a way to
do late-linking at runtime instead of that, as it is far more
user-friendly...

Again, this is not something that would normally be used for stuff like
libsystemd0 (or libwrap, or libselinux...).

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Re: Vanished log files after reboot

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 26 oct 14, 13:04:39, mad wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> After a reboot of a virtual machine *all* old log files in /var/log and
> directories under that are gone (.1, .2.gz, ...).

Please post the output of 'df -hf' from inside the VM.

Kind regards,
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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 26 oct 14, 12:43:53, Jean-Marc wrote:
> Hi the list,
> 
> I will reinstall my laptop.
> 
> I have a question about partitioning.
> I will use this setting:
> /boot
> swap
> The rest under LVM (/, /var, /tmp, /home) ?

Why do you need /tmp on slow storage (and a dedicated partition)? /tmp 
on tmpfs works fine unless you have special needs.

I also don't bother to separate /var anymore, it hasn't brought any real 
advantages to me.

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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[Joe]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:43:53 +0100
Jean-Marc  wrote:

> Hi the list,
> 
> I will reinstall my laptop.
> 
> I have a question about partitioning.
> I will use this setting:
> /boot
> swap
> The rest under LVM (/, /var, /tmp, /home) ?
> 
> So, my question: /boot or not /boot ?
> 
> Jean-Marc 
> 
> P.S. I do not subscribe to the list; keep me in Cc:

Only once, over a period of quite a few years, has one of my systems
failed to find LVM on booting, so on that occasion my life was easier
because /boot was separate. On one other occasion with a booting
problem, the fact that /boot was separate provided a little more data
to diagnose the problem.

On the other hand, in the early days of grub, there were at least three
occasions when a new grub did not correctly handle a separate /boot.
Fixing that became routine... but I haven't seen it happen since long
before grub2 arrived.

Your call...

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Re: Question re: updating debain stable kernels...

[Joe]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:13:24 +0100
Håkon Alstadheim  wrote:

> On 26. okt. 2014 00:18, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 25 Oct 2014 at 22:46:43 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> >
> >>   I have seen at least two stable kernel
> >> updates which changed the ABI without changing the version in the
> >> kernel package name and resulted in some new modules not being
> >> compatible with the previous kernel image or modules.
> > If it is a matter of exchanging anecdotal experiences I've never
> > experienced any problem booting a new kernel in nearly twenty years.
> >
> > I'm unsure what it is you are recommending the OP to do.
> >
> >
> 
> The point is that loading kernel modules after a kernel update will
> not always work, so  a reboot is in my experience advisable before
> you do any configuration changes involving module loading.
> 
> Such config changes might e.g. be firewall changes or new hardware.
> 
> I don't know if Pascal's description of the condition is accurate,
> the effect has been real on kernel updates in the past.
> 
> 

There was a time when a kernel upgrade always triggered a message which
urged a reboot as soon as possible. I'm not sure when it stopped
happening, a quick Google suggests that it disappeared after lenny.

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Vanished log files after reboot

[mad]

Hi!

After a reboot of a virtual machine *all* old log files in /var/log and
directories under that are gone (.1, .2.gz, ...).

Does anyone know how that might happen? I already checked the VM for
root kits and I certainly can't remember configuring something like that.

TIA
mad


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Re: reInstalling my laptop

[Raffaele Morelli]

On 26/10/14 at 12:43pm, Jean-Marc wrote:
> Hi the list,
> 
> I will reinstall my laptop.
> 
> I have a question about partitioning.
> I will use this setting:
> /boot
> swap
> The rest under LVM (/, /var, /tmp, /home) ?
> 
> So, my question: /boot or not /boot ?

Another question is why not /home in a separate partition?


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Re: Question re: updating debain stable kernels...

[Håkon Alstadheim]

On 26. okt. 2014 00:18, Brian wrote:

On Sat 25 Oct 2014 at 22:46:43 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:


  I have seen at least two stable kernel
updates which changed the ABI without changing the version in the kernel
package name and resulted in some new modules not being compatible with
the previous kernel image or modules.

If it is a matter of exchanging anecdotal experiences I've never
experienced any problem booting a new kernel in nearly twenty years.

I'm unsure what it is you are recommending the OP to do.




The point is that loading kernel modules after a kernel update will not 
always work, so  a reboot is in my experience advisable before you do 
any configuration changes involving module loading.


Such config changes might e.g. be firewall changes or new hardware.

I don't know if Pascal's description of the condition is accurate, the 
effect has been real on kernel updates in the past.



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Re: What to do with dead raid 1 partitions under mdadm

[Gary Dale]

On 25/10/14 11:19 PM, mett wrote:

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Hi,

I'm running Squeeze under raid 1 with mdadm.
One of the raid failed and I replace it with space I had available on
that same disk.

Today, when rebooting I got an error cause the boot flag was still on
both partitions(sdb1 and sdb3 below). I used the rescue part of the
debian installer CD to remove the boot flag with fdisk, and now
everything is working.

My question is what to do with the dead raid partition on that disk
(sdb1 and sdb2 below)?

Can I safely delete them and mark them unusable or similar?

Below are some details about the system.

/dev/sdb is 250G; I had an sdb1 and sdb2 failure. I
created sdb3 and sdb4 and add them to the array. They are the current
member of the md array.

/mett# uname -a
Linux asus 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1
i686 GNU/Linux

root@asus:/home/mett#
root@asus:/home/mett# mdadm --detail /dev/md1
/dev/md1:
 Version : 1.2
   Creation Time : Mon Feb  4 22:46:04 2013
  Raid Level : raid1
  Array Size : 97654712 (93.13 GiB 100.00 GB)
   Used Dev Size : 97654712 (93.13 GiB 100.00 GB)
Raid Devices : 2
   Total Devices : 2
 Persistence : Superblock is persistent

 Update Time : Sun Oct 26 12:03:37 2014
   State : clean
  Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
  Failed Devices : 0
   Spare Devices : 0

Name : asus:1  (local to host asus)
UUID : 639af1ab:8ec418b5:8254ef0d:ad9a728d
  Events : 75946

 Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
2   820  active sync   /dev/sda2
3   8   201  active sync   /dev/sdb4

(/dev/md0 is same structure as above with sda1 and sdb3 as raid members)


root@asus:/home/mett#
Disk /dev/sdb: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00066b3e

Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   1  64  514048+  fd  Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdb2  65   12515   100012657+  fd  Linux
raid
autodetect
/dev/sdb3   *   12516   12581   530145   fd  Linux raid
autodetect
/dev/sdb4   12582   25636   104864287+  fd  Linux raid
autodetect

Command (m for help):

Thanks a lot in advance.
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As I undertand your issue:
- you had RAID 1 arrays md0 (sda1+sdb1) and md1 (sda2+sdb2),
- sdb1 & sdb2 showed an error, so you removed them from the arrays and 
added sdb3 & sdb4 from the same physical disk,
- you are now wondering what to do with two partitions on device sdb 
(sdb1 & sdb2).


I'm guessing that sdb is nearly toast. Run smartctl -H /dev/sdb on it. 
If it passes, remove it from the array and repartition it, then add it 
back into the array.


If it fails, remove if from your computer and replace it. Whatever new 
drive you get will probably be larger than your current drives, so 
partition it so that the sdb1 is larger than the current sd1a and the 
rest of the space goes to sdb2. In this way, you can expand md1 when you 
eventually have to replace sda (it will happen - disks eventually fail).


In general it is a really bad idea to keep a filing disk in your system. 
It not only will fail sooner rather than later but will also slow down 
your system due to i/o failures.



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Re: Monitor does not turn on after suspend

[Marko Ranđelović]

> Anything useful in /var/log/pm-suspend.log ??

> What sort of keyboard ??

> Is it a USB keyboard ??

I found in log vbetool was not installed. After installing vbetool,
everything looks as working normal.

Keyboard is USB.

Thanks for your help.

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reInstalling my laptop

[Jean-Marc]

Hi the list,

I will reinstall my laptop.

I have a question about partitioning.
I will use this setting:
/boot
swap
The rest under LVM (/, /var, /tmp, /home) ?

So, my question: /boot or not /boot ?

Jean-Marc 

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Re: Who's locking down the code?

[Laurent Bigonville]

Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 26/10/2014 4:30 AM, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
> >> The fact that an executable is linked against a systemd library
> >> doesn't automatically mean you have to run systemd as PID1.
> >>
> >> This is especially true for the sd-daemon and sd-journal libraries
> >> in this case.
> >>
> >> Laurent Bigonville
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > I have heard that argument before.  I counter that it's about more
> > than PID1.  It seems that even having systemd libraries etc. is a
> > little like being somewhat pregnant - precursors to a little bundle
> > of joy to be delivered at a later date when the PTB see fit. In
> > other words, a trojan of sorts that will come to bite us. Sorry,
> > not much trust these days . . .  :(
> 
> That is 100% true, I couldn't give a rats if it is PID1 or not.  It IS
> systemd, that's more than enough for me to want it OUT -- it's a
> cancer that is spreading and it needs to be eradicated *before* it is
> nigh impossible.

It is an habit in debian to compile the packages with as many options
as possible as long as it's not adding pile of new dependencies or
causing issues to the other packages in the archive.

I don't see how a library that turns itself into a noop if PID1 is
not systemd fits into any of these 2 categories in the case of
util-linux (or probably any packages depending against libsystemd0).

IMHO, if you have the (non-technical?) requirement to not have any
systemd component on your system, you'll have to either start building
your own packages (you can have a look at apt-build) and maybe propose
sensible patches to make it easier for the debian users to opt-out when
rebuilding packages. Or switch to a distribution that allows you to
select which components are enabled at build time.

Laurent Bigonville


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Re: Monitor does not turn on after suspend

[Marko Randjelovic]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:27:07 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

> On 19/10/14 02:54, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
> > I use Wheezy on desktop computer. I use vesa driver for X because radeon is
> > not working. After pm-suspend command, computer is like turned off, when 
> > press
> > power button it wakes up, but not monitor and not keyboard.
> > 
> > I tried --quirk-dpms-on, but didn't help.
> 
> What about these (together):-
> --quirk-dpms-suspend
> --quirk-dpms-on
> --quirk-vbestate-restore
> --quirk-vbemode-restore
> --quirk-vga-mode3
> --quirk-vbe-post

This doesn't work either.

> 
> > I also tried kernel options noapic and irqpoll, but didn't help either.
> 
> AFAIK they won't, unless the problem is a buggy BIOS
> 
> > 
> > lspci tells my VGA card as:
> > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI 
> > Device 6613
> 
> Sapphire Radeon R7 240 ??

Yes, the card is Radeon R7 240, but I'm not sure about Sapphire.
According to Wikipedia this chipset is lauched Oct 8 2013, so not
strange drivers are still not supporting it (well).

> I'd suggest installing the proprietary driver unless you're happy with
> vesa - or, quite reasonably, reject closed source software (in which
> case you might have bought a less powerful card).

With FGLRX driver computer resets when I press power button to wake it
up, so I am back at vesa.

> NOTE: I've only dealt with suspend and that card when dkms was used.
> 
> The FOSS radeon driver installation process is described here (a little
> dated?):-
> https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
> 
> 
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> > 
> 
> A reference for Suspend is here (note that the information about dkms is
> out of date):-
> https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend

I'll try PM_DEBUG=true. There is an options in BIOS regarding VGA
integrated on board (which is currently disabled) so I'll try it as
well. 

> Was Wheezy a fresh install or did you upgrade from Squeeze ??

It was a fresh install.

> What sort of desktop is it (make/model) - if a no-brand, what is the
> motherboard ??
> 
> Could you please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere e.g.
> paste.debian.net and post the link in your reply ??
> HINT: pastebinit is a useful debian package for just that purpose

It's an ordinary PC. There is nothing special in Xorg.log, except that
the card is not detected.



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Re: Installing Debian remotely in an unmanaged VPS

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 25 oct 14, 16:17:55, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I'd like to install Debian in an unmanaged VPS which has Debian installed
> already. This is so that I can customize the installation by using LVM for
> instance. I'm following  but
> it seems like I'd have to keep an ISO image in the hard disk and would need
> to keep at least one partition intact. Is there a way to avoid this?. I.e: a
> way so that I can completely reformat the hard disk?.

Should be possible with the netboot image pre-seeded for remote install 
(via SSH). The Installation Guide is probably a good start.
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

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Re: Check whether an update for a particular package is available without upgrading

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 25 oct 14, 14:59:28, Keith Christian wrote:
> 
> Have searched the WWW and man pages without finding anything like "dry
> run" or "show possible upgrades" specifically for aptitude.

aptitude search '?upgradeable'

The full aptitude documentation is in the package aptitude-doc-en.

If you only want information about a particular package you can use one of

$ aptitude versions ^cron$
Package cron:
p A 3.0pl1-124stable500 
p A 3.0pl1-124.2  testing   500 
i A 3.0pl1-126  100 
p A 3.0pl1-127unstable  500 

(aptitude's 'versions' always treats the package name as a pattern, so you have
to be a bit more specific if you get too many hits)

$ apt-get policy cron

cron:
  Installed: 3.0pl1-126
  Candidate: 3.0pl1-127
  Version table:
 3.0pl1-127 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
 *** 3.0pl1-126 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 3.0pl1-124.2 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages
 3.0pl1-124 0
500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages


$ apt show cron
Listing... Done
cron/unstable 3.0pl1-127 i386 [upgradable from: 3.0pl1-126]
N: There are 3 additional versions. Please use the '-a' switch to see them.

(the 'apt' command is only available as of Jessie)

> Previously I've seen recommendations to use aptitude or apt-get for
> updates/upgrades but not mix them due to creating inconsistencies in
> the package file listings, or something.  (Maybe this isn't an issue
> in 2014?)

Shouldn't be. If you find any please do file a bug.

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Andrei
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