Re: LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?
On Sunday 21 December 2014 07:38:13 tom arnall wrote: > about a week ago i posted a question to which no one has responded. i > think it's a reasonable question for this list. clearly folks on this > list don't think it's worthwhile to respond to it. Oh dear. :-( What on earth leads you to this conclusion? There is no evidence to support it at all. > can anyone here at > least tell me why? Presumably no-one knew the answer. You wouldn't want 2000 "Sorry, don't know"s would you? The rest of us certainly woyuldn't. There may have been one or two people who could have answered and didn't, but no-one is under any kind of obligation to answer. And they may have had toothache, or a rush on at work, or been getting married or have had a bereavement or. > below is the email is sent to this list: > > i have by the way spent about ten hours googling for an answer. the > community seems very confused on the issue. So perhaps the list is too. Lisi > == > I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes > xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and > gives the message: > > WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: > /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > > (nm-applet:3589): Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 > (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. > > > Is there a command line procedure to deal with this? > > Thanks in advance for your help, > > Tom Arnall > > > -- > "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the > facts." Will Rogers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412210753.24827.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?
If it were my box I'd fix that gnome-keyring error first, since if I remember correctly, that's where your wifi password gets stored (which nm-applet uses) Try this: http://www.blackmoreops.com/2013/11/19/how-to-fix-warning-gnome-keyring-error/ and see if that helps you. -jkl. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:38 AM, tom arnall wrote: > about a week ago i posted a question to which no one has responded. i > think it's a reasonable question for this list. clearly folks on this > list don't think it's worthwhile to respond to it. can anyone here at > least tell me why? below is the email is sent to this list: > > i have by the way spent about ten hours googling for an answer. the > community seems very confused on the issue. > > > == > I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes > xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and > gives the message: > > WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: > /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > > (nm-applet:3589): Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 > (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. > > > Is there a command line procedure to deal with this? > > Thanks in advance for your help, > > Tom Arnall > > > -- > "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the > facts." Will Rogers > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > https://lists.debian.org/CAFKYrxpmkG2W-KM=5qTuYe-KXWsSV3tPmfFG-hUxm94g0q=k...@mail.gmail.com > >
LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?
about a week ago i posted a question to which no one has responded. i think it's a reasonable question for this list. clearly folks on this list don't think it's worthwhile to respond to it. can anyone here at least tell me why? below is the email is sent to this list: i have by the way spent about ten hours googling for an answer. the community seems very confused on the issue. == I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and gives the message: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area (nm-applet:3589): Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. Is there a command line procedure to deal with this? Thanks in advance for your help, Tom Arnall -- "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts." Will Rogers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAFKYrxpmkG2W-KM=5qTuYe-KXWsSV3tPmfFG-hUxm94g0q=k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/20/2014 11:00 PM, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:20:02 +0100 Gary Dale wrote: Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. WP5.1 users have to have 'reveal codes' or they can't use anything else. Don't know about 5.1--that's too old for me to remember, altho I did use it at one time. But Reveal Codes is a really useful tool, and AFAIK, you don't _have_ to use it. The other thing that's really nice is the ^w feature, that brings up 10 windows (one at a time) full of all kinds of odd-ball characters, some that you can't get on the Compose key--or you would probably have to look up. Interestingly, Microsoft copied that verbatim in one of the versions of MS Word! Then they dropped it. Maybe the WP folks sued them? (IIRC, 5.1 is not a graphic program. I think it competed with a non-graphic MS Word, and WordStar. I used WordStar on CPM and then on DOS until I discovered WordPerfect. Even after WordStar disappeared as a word processor, Turbo Pascal used its conventions in programming. [I wish we still had Turbo Pascal--the earlier version without all the added nonsense!]) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54965d9f.7010...@optonline.net
gnome
WHEN I DO: ~/$ gnome-keyring-daemon --start I GET: Couldn't access conrol socket: /home/tom/.cache/keyring-qGnJVR/control: No such file or directory GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/home/tom/.cache/keyring-laCd8D SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/home/tom/.cache/keyring-laCd8D/ssh GPG_AGENT_INFO=/home/tom/.cache/keyring-laCd8D/gpg:0:1 what is this about? i've done a lot of google searching on it but have found nothing that helps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajs6gqc7amciyyoj09e3yd451mouuxhkxa_4bpfdvcw8kob...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:20:02 +0100 Gary Dale wrote: > Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost > certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. WP5.1 users have to have 'reveal codes' or they can't use anything else. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cfmuupfi7d...@mid.individual.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 05:28:00PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > Just yesterday struggling with making a presentation with LO Impress. > There are some 3 dozen toolbars of which I was looking for some. > The online docs give one line of text for each -- no icon. > https://help.libreoffice.org/Draw/Toolbars > > So the only way to figure which is 9say) the drawing toolbar > is to keep on turning it on and off in the menu and squint to see > what part of the screen changes. Quite a chore given how noisy > the screen is > > In short: > No MS fan here however MS Office is way better documented than LO. Seconded. I used to design software interfaces, and I'd be totally embarassed by OOo, especially Impress with its commands scattered inconsistently and without a schema among two kinds of menus and two different types of toolbar. What a mess. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141221033734.gb28...@panix.com
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
On 12/20/2014 06:15 PM, Peter Gerber wrote: On our server we create an user for every of our customer and we run an instance of home-made java application (as the customers respective user). The issue is just who ever set up those servers created a home directory per user and set up everything in that directory. Including static files needed by ngnix for which I need to do something like $chgrp www-data after an update. I'm aware there is no technical reasons for having such a weird directory constellation. The issue is just reorganizing file hierarchies on docents of productive installations is not that easy, so I hoped for an easy work-around for the old installations. At least until the long overdue revision of the update and installation procedure has been done. So: 1. You have a shared host with user logins enabled. 2. You have directories and files that need to be read, written, searched, and/or executed both by nginx and by users. 3. Your solution is to set the group ownership and the group permissions on the above directories and files. 4. The solution is currently implemented by hand. 5. Software upgrades are stepping on your solution, requiring that it be re-implemented for each user after each upgrade. It sounds like you need to automate your solution (e.g. shell script), and then run it after upgrading (or have the upgrader run it after every upgrade). As always, your automated solution will need to pay careful attention to security. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54964490.8040...@holgerdanske.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Not you Patrick, someone else. > I am sort of quoting > "I still do not know what you have against > it is far superior to wordperfect. > Odd idea about a virtual machine too. > The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many > others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. OK, got it, and in full agreement :) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsNPP-x3CeNGzO2QjBpH-dP1w-dgqHPy=u4-lnmqr1u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Not you Patrick, someone else. I am sort of quoting "I still do not know what you have against it is far superior to wordperfect. Odd idea about a virtual machine too. The is far superior is the sort of thing I mean. Especially when so many others have reasons to appreciate their own word processor preferences. Kare On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the *personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them. In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works, for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use what works for you. What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt, is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's computer choices. I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting that. (So if the comment is aimed my way, it's misfired.) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksp5ephkhvcb6us5zgcudvok1j2j-5a_b2g48j+yvma...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412202216380.43...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
On 12/20/2014 at 09:16 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> As usual when dealing with recursive action under *nix, the answer is
>> find:
>
> Yes! :-)
>
>> find -P ...
>
>> The '-P' option tells find to never follow any symlinks.
>
> A small comment upon the technique. Just noting that -P is the
> default. No need to specify it explicitly.
You're right. I just searched the man page for mentions of symlinks, to
remind myself of what the option was, and didn't read the details as
closely as I should have.
>> ... -execdir chgrp www-data {} \; ...
>
> I suggest using the "{} +" form since it is more efficient. And it
> has the additional advantage that it doesn't need to be escaped.
Yes, that makes sense in this case. I'm not in the habit of doing it in
most cases, however, because I commonly-enough need to use find with
commands of the form 'command option {} option +' rather than the form
'command option {} +'.
Since find can't tell what significance the additional option(s) after
the argument list would have (i.e. whether to repeat them after each
item in the argument list, or just append them once at the end), it
naturally rejects that syntax as ambiguous.
(The man page indicates that the -exec and -execdir options build their
command lines in much the same way as xargs does, and it's possible to
build the more complicated command lines I need using 'xargs -I', but if
there's a similar syntax or functionality for find I haven't found it.)
That's not to say you aren't right in suggesting that that syntax is the
better approach in this case, just to explain why I didn't think to
suggest it myself, and to point out its limitations for other people who
may read this.
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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the > *personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them. > In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works, > for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use > what works for you. > What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt, > is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs > from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the > suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and > the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's > computer choices. I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting that. (So if the comment is aimed my way, it's misfired.) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksp5ephkhvcb6us5zgcudvok1j2j-5a_b2g48j+yvma...@mail.gmail.com
Re: USB drive mounted Read-only; what to do ?
Brian wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > floppy group. The console user is also set up with the floppy group > > too. Assuming one of libpam, consolekit, systemd-login0 and so forth. > > Therefore the console user doesn't need to be root. They can write to > > the write to it directly. > > It is assumed you are doing this on Wheezy. You are then the 100% correct. Hopefully Stable is a good default assumption unless there is some reason to assume otherwise. > For me: > ... > brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 16 Dec 20 23:04 /dev/sdb > /dev/sdb is a USB stick I've just plugged in. I am a member of the > floppy group because d-i set the machine up that way many years ago. Ah, yes, even without libpam, consolekit, systemd-login0 it is *also* possible that the user is in the floppy group by specification in the /etc/group file too. Another "and so forth" possibility. > Being a member of the floppy group on testing or unstable doesn't confer > the same privileges as it does on Wheezy. Hmm... > From the udev changelog of Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:37:29 +0200. > > * Drop our Debian specific 50-udev-default.rules and 91-permissions.rules > and use the upstream rules with a patch for the remaining Debian specific > default device permissions. Many thanks to Marco d'Itri for researching > which Debian-specific rules are obsolete! Amongst other things, this now > also reads the hwdb info for USB devices (Closes: #717405) and gets rid of > some syntax errors (Closes: #706221) > > 91-permissions.rules is the one to look at. Good pointer. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Sure enough on my Sid system usb storage devices are no longer placed into the floppy group. I hadn't notice this yet. Below I have just inserted a USB storage on a Sid system. $ ll /dev/sdg* brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 96 Dec 20 17:25 /dev/sdg brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 97 Dec 20 17:25 /dev/sdg1 brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 98 Dec 20 17:25 /dev/sdg2 Set up as disk and not floppy. Good heads up that things have changed. Hmm... Seems like a change for the worse. > How does a user now get to use fdisk or write to a USB stick without libpam > etc and "so forth"? Or does it matter? Good question. It feels like we have come full circle. That was the way it was before the introduction of devfs and udev. It appears that things now have returned to the way it was before udev. Which won't bother the old-school Unix folks because we already lived through that and already know how to deal with it. But why haven't the next generation started complaining about it? If it works for them, then how? The changelog says they are obsolete. But then what is the replacement for them? Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
On our server we create an user for every of our customer and we run an instance of home-made java application (as the customers respective user). The issue is just who ever set up those servers created a home directory per user and set up everything in that directory. Including static files needed by ngnix for which I need to do something like $chgrp www-data after an update. I'm aware there is no technical reasons for having such a weird directory constellation. The issue is just reorganizing file hierarchies on docents of productive installations is not that easy, so I hoped for an easy work-around for the old installations. At least until the long overdue revision of the update and installation procedure has been done. On Sunday 21 December 2014 02.21:39 David Christensen wrote: > On 12/20/2014 04:11 PM, Peter Gerber wrote: > > I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is > > a subdirectory of a user's home directory. > > Why? To what? E.g. what is the technical requirement(s) that forces > you to change permission of a directory and/or it's contents, and what > must those permissions be? > > > David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412210315.22386.pe...@arbitrary.ch
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
The Wanderer wrote:
> As usual when dealing with recursive action under *nix, the answer is
> find:
Yes! :-)
> find -P ...
> The '-P' option tells find to never follow any symlinks.
A small comment upon the technique. Just noting that -P is the
default. No need to specify it explicitly.
-P Never follow symbolic links. This is the default behaviour.
When find examines or prints information a file, and the
file is a symbolic link, the information used shall be
taken from the properties of the symbolic link itself.
Just in case someone were to learn about -P and think they needed to
add it to all of their scripts for safety. They don't. It is safe
without it. :-)
Why does -P exist? Symmetry with -L. Plus there are some script
techniques where it is convenient to have an explicit way to override
a previous -L by adding a -P after it. Almost all of the commands
that have a -L (such as 'cd') also have a -P for the same reason.
If more than one of -H, -L and -P is specified, each overrides
the others; the last one appearing on the command line takes
effect. Since it is the default, the -P option should be
considered to be in effect unless either -H or -L is specified.
> ... -execdir chgrp www-data {} \; ...
I suggest using the "{} +" form since it is more efficient. And it
has the additional advantage that it doesn't need to be escaped.
As with the -exec action, the `+' form of -execdir will build a
command line to process more than one matched file, but any
given invocation of command will only list files that exist in
the same subdirectory.
Find is good stuff!
Bob
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Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
Peter Gerber wrote: > I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is a > subdirectory of a user's home directory. Sure. Okay. People do that all of the time. > Is there a way to do this in a secure and easy way with the user having full > write access to the home directory? Huh? What is the question again? > Let's assume I would change the permissions as follows > $ chgrp -R www-data ~user/subdir Assuming the user has already been added to the www-group so that the chgrp command will succeed. If they haven't been then it will fail with operation not permitted due to insufficient permissions. > $ chmod -R g+rwX ~user/subdir This requires the larger question of how your web server is set up. The default group for the web server user is www-data. Therefore this now creates a directory where the web server can write. This can be fine. Or it can be problematic. And no matter what there will be some people who want it one way and others a different way. For example a lot of web setups want to have the web process able to write to the web code. That way the web site is installed from the web. The web site is updated from the web. A lot of people think that is okay. But IMNHO that is too slack. That type of setup is why so many web sites get trivially hacked all of the time. Instead I insist that the web daemon cannot write to its own code. No self modifying code for me as an intentional security layer. Yes, sometimes I do feel like a salmon swimming upstream. But no I have never had a web server breach either. Of course any site supporting file uploads must have some place that can be written to by the web server. So it isn't always bad. > The issue is that the user could do something like this beforehand: > $ mv ~user/subdir ~user/subdir2 > $ ln -s / ~user/subdir > > Not a very nice thing to do, is it? If the chgrp and chmod is run as the user then they will have no permissions upon anything elsewhere. It is safe for them to do this. System security will prevent it. The danger comes when root does this and when isn't careful. I am assuming that is your real question. Root is the superuser. With great power comes great responsibility. Root must not fall prey to these social engineering attacks. However the person is always the weakest link in security. That is why the most successful security attacks are against people. However in your example above you showed a '$' prompt indicating a non-root use of chgrp and chown. That is fine. No possible harm then. Non-root won't have any capability outside their home then. In fact this is probably a good strategy for root. # su - user $ chgrp -R www-data ~user/subdir $ chmod -R g+rwX ~user/subdir Or rather: # su user -c 'chgrp -R www-data ~user/subdir' # su user -c 'chmod -R g+rwX ~user/subdir' > Well, I could just change the user's permission for the home directory as > follows: You could. But for what purpose? What are you trying to accomplish here? This below doesn't follow from the www daemon writability above. At least I don't see it. I need a hint. :-) > $ chown root:users-group ~user You need root for that. The normal user doesn't have permission. Changing the user's home directory to be owned by root _feels_ rude to me. The above is certainly fine since the user will still have permissions and I think everything still works. (SSH, Postfix, others, will still validate the home as secure since it is the user or root and in this case root.) > $ chmod g+rwx,+t The g+w will cause problems with some programs validating the security of the user's directory. It depends upon their code and how they were compiled. I think by default Debian's ssh and postfix will find the g+w an invalid mode for the user and will therefore fail to accept any $HOME/.ssh or $HOME/.forward files and so forth. I don't think Debian's are compiled for g+w mode by default. Which is unfortunate because UPG user private groups by default are a good thing. > But this seems rather error-prone. Especially because I would have to adjust > the permission of quite a lot of directories, some of which are not even in > the top level of the users' home directories. Frankly, me forgetting > to adjust the permissions of a few directories is just to great. Please pull up a level and say what you are trying to accomplish. > What I now would like to know is, is there an easier way to solve the issue. > Like teaching chmod not to follow links. Unfortunately, I haven't found a -- > make-sure-as-hell-not-to-follow-links-in-any-way parameter or anything the > like. There is most definitely an easier way. What issue were we trying to solve again? :-) Maybe the issue is a hint that root should (although perhaps rarely does interactively, but should in automated scripts) operate from the restriction of the user and not as the superuser. The system will protect itself from a non-priviledged user. # su user
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
On 12/20/2014 at 07:11 PM, Peter Gerber wrote:
> I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is a
> subdirectory of a user's home directory.
>
> Is there a way to do this in a secure and easy way with the user having full
> write access to the home directory?
>
> Let's assume I would change the permissions as follows
> $ chgrp -R www-data ~user/subdir
> $ chmod -R g+rwX ~user/subdir
>
> The issue is that the user could do something like this beforehand:
> $ mv ~user/subdir ~user/subdir2
> $ ln -s / ~user/subdir
>
> Not a very nice thing to do, is it?
>
> Well, I could just change the user's permission for the home directory as
> follows:
> $ chown root:users-group ~user
> $ chmod g+rwx,+t
>
> But this seems rather error-prone. Especially because I would have to adjust
> the permission of quite a lot of directories, some of which are not even in
> the top level of the users' home directories. Frankly, me forgetting to
> adjust
> the permissions of a few directories is just to great.
>
> What I now would like to know is, is there an easier way to solve the issue.
> Like teaching chmod not to follow links. Unfortunately, I haven't found a --
> make-sure-as-hell-not-to-follow-links-in-any-way parameter or anything the
> like.
As usual when dealing with recursive action under *nix, the answer is
find:
find -P ~user/subdir -type d -execdir chgrp www-data {} \; -execdir
chmod g+rwX {} \;
should I think do what you want, and even if I've missed a point or two
somewhere it should still be a decent starting point.
The '-P' option tells find to never follow any symlinks. The rest of it
is standard find syntax; the man page is a bit long, but informative.
(In particular, you should read the section on the '-execdir' option,
since it mentions a security consideration you may want to be aware of.)
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progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:40:04 AM UTC+5:30, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > "Just a matter of" doing that? How do I make "." the fill character > for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through > every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill > Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, > tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed > a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive > programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). > Compared with WP, it's total crap. Just yesterday struggling with making a presentation with LO Impress. There are some 3 dozen toolbars of which I was looking for some. The online docs give one line of text for each -- no icon. https://help.libreoffice.org/Draw/Toolbars So the only way to figure which is 9say) the drawing toolbar is to keep on turning it on and off in the menu and squint to see what part of the screen changes. Quite a chore given how noisy the screen is In short: No MS fan here however MS Office is way better documented than LO. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/dc20c7e5-f26c-41a5-b040-7f88c541c...@googlegroups.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
I seem to recall making this point when i shared that while I respect the *personal* computing choices of others, I need not emulate them. In fact I never asked for word processing suggestions at all. Mine, works, for, me...and I think the rich thing about computing is the freedom to use what works for you. What is making me smile besides the useless discussion comment from Curt, is the insistence, on a list that focuses on building computer programs from source, and where individual contributions are encouraged...is the suggestion that anyone at all has to use the same word processor. That and the idea that anyone can decide what is superior for another person's computer choices. I picked this note at random because I was surprised so many were still talking about this. It is called personal computer for a reason. i honor your idea of personal for you, may you , and you know who you are, learn to do the same. Kare On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: [snip] Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Indeed. And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher productivity). There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples presentation from content... -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141221011350.ga28...@khazad-dum.debian.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1412202019470.40...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: Changing permission in user's home directory
On 12/20/2014 04:11 PM, Peter Gerber wrote: I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is a subdirectory of a user's home directory. Why? To what? E.g. what is the technical requirement(s) that forces you to change permission of a directory and/or it's contents, and what must those permissions be? David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/549620a3@holgerdanske.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote: > > On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > > > On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > [snip] > > Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Indeed. And some of us actually like *document* processors (best example in Debian: lyx) for extremely consistent output (and IMHO, much higher productivity). There is an entire world out there of text processing that decouples presentation from content... -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141221011350.ga28...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: Screen rotation question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Could be there's no difference, but try the --rotate flag and specify your vga connection xrandr --output VGA1 --rotate right On 12/05/2014 02:32 PM, Jacek Dudek wrote: > X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUlhnhAAoJEORnMHMHY2FrWoUQAK5Z01OxG30/yTc/B8jUi4y5 r6lqTXN1NCbP4V8QCLcL0KwnNBPbmZVRe2Ut8yLeg09o1H7BVesEu07VMnIHTeUy hfy/dKcDt8JpXxDQ5/y3pkOrkvlwt9IRGDy5G2od9k7CWhQ7y69M6pxVY9cxSbzt 4JpydPeJ7S2YwcF4taGfAcJDHfxo16cqGazNiI4nlJRJfGORSw2PMhndGfm0wS/5 QLLxInSHJkvlZ43QYNEyJvof2Zuvq/BR4t39QpH2dj/uup0x/5cIyH6Tg7KwZ+QR Nel6mWaaGZl5DT4qFxpZm1ZDWCZ0+AuTIeB4iDhpyBugsid+9WVBKpBW7NgDWBje BA4YQEwVjMgiXKOfwW8464FHABIxQNxtHsQHZDmPeb80o2+UIn9V+CEmWrNLe+gB 26mraGUzNKuUf+yK6higctsnA6cqXSgdtbN6mm2qMU03X0j6fLY/xaNazKDX3c81 1wD9YhJ5MpqmeWaBdwyWjjM/pTWiTWNo5V32vFeQWIpWTKG6Pcde2wLTs8g7JnuF 00z/I3G3OlJ32317YnFSysqJDjBLQUU/NaoAccjOBAiZ/NOfKfIU414k/WRCtQ2c JTrwvEj1CZKq6y/uyMJWpI91t1NfIaEHAqdRsSjKce1RO6nKa4SyiWlWX7HBe/sR j9duXnxBpDy6R1NoqYYN =Ge/E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/549619ea.20...@gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
Entertaining thread..cool. Long time since I read a WP, reveal codes, styles dust up :-) I still use WP8 in a NT4 vbox instance for a couple of tasks..I absolutely will not give up, I too miss the dot leader feature for my table of contents. I miss this feature, and a few more. I use the table function almost exclusively, full page tables mixed cell formatting, this is a pain with styles ala LO & AOO. The compelling part to AOO & LO is the freedom and ease of archiving my business docs. peace, Greg On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > > On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: > >> > >> On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > >>> > >>> On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Who said anything about running windows? > The only windows I have are made of glass lol. > Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything > over much to do with Linux. > Thanks for the giggle, > Kare > > > >>> OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be > >>> needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set > up for. > >>> > >>> Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost > certainly > >>> superior to WP51 in every significant way. > >> > >> > >> At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not > need > >> a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. > >> > >> Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or > OO) > >> will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a > >> > >> different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a > >> free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just > >> > >> about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary > interest > >> in SoftMaker, a German firm.) > >> > >> --doug > > > > > > Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier > than > > applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice > is > > quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's > just > > a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use > > styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. > > By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the > native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" > which is absurdly difficult to create. > > Patrick > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksnqh2ghtbxfpzh7j_okubvuk+vlgfen3tgvgozn9-s...@mail.gmail.com > > -- Peace Greg Madden
Changing permission in user's home directory
I want to change permission of a directory, recursively. The directory is a subdirectory of a user's home directory. Is there a way to do this in a secure and easy way with the user having full write access to the home directory? Let's assume I would change the permissions as follows $ chgrp -R www-data ~user/subdir $ chmod -R g+rwX ~user/subdir The issue is that the user could do something like this beforehand: $ mv ~user/subdir ~user/subdir2 $ ln -s / ~user/subdir Not a very nice thing to do, is it? Well, I could just change the user's permission for the home directory as follows: $ chown root:users-group ~user $ chmod g+rwx,+t But this seems rather error-prone. Especially because I would have to adjust the permission of quite a lot of directories, some of which are not even in the top level of the users' home directories. Frankly, me forgetting to adjust the permissions of a few directories is just to great. What I now would like to know is, is there an easier way to solve the issue. Like teaching chmod not to follow links. Unfortunately, I haven't found a -- make-sure-as-hell-not-to-follow-links-in-any-way parameter or anything the like. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412210111.32524.pe...@arbitrary.ch
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Saturday 20 December 2014 23:19:50 Gary Dale wrote: > On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > > On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: [snip] Why do we all have to like the same word processor? Lisi P.S. Sorry, Gary for the off-list just now. It wasn't aimed only at you and should tehrefore definitely not have come privately. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412202352.02020.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: USB drive mounted Read-only; what to do ?
On Sat 20 Dec 2014 at 15:13:04 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > > Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > > I plug in a USB pen drive, and launch dd to copy an iso image. > > > > > > > > # dd bs=4M if=debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-rescue.iso of=/dev/sdi && sync > > > > > > Thee is no need to be root to copy the ISO. > > > > Of course there is no need to be root to copy an ISO file "around", but > > permission to write directly to the raw device is equivalent to root, so > > naturally this is not included in the permissions of "normal" users. > > > > $ ls -l /dev/sda > > brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 0 dec 20 23:16 /dev/sda > > But removable media is mounted as part of the "floppy" group not the > "disk" group. > > $ ls -l /dev/sd? > brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 0 Dec 9 13:24 /dev/sda > brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 16 Dec 9 13:24 /dev/sdb > brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 32 Dec 9 13:24 /dev/sdc > > Here /dev/sdc is a usb storage device and it gets set up with the > floppy group. The console user is also set up with the floppy group > too. Assuming one of libpam, consolekit, systemd-login0 and so forth. > Therefore the console user doesn't need to be root. They can write to > the write to it directly. It is assumed you are doing this on Wheezy. You are then the 100% correct. For me: brian@desktop:~$ ls -l /dev/sd* brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 0 Nov 25 15:00 /dev/sda brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 1 Nov 25 15:00 /dev/sda1 brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 2 Nov 25 15:00 /dev/sda2 brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 3 Nov 25 15:00 /dev/sda3 brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 4 Nov 25 15:00 /dev/sda4 brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 16 Dec 20 23:04 /dev/sdb brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 17 Dec 20 23:04 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb is a USB stick I've just plugged in. I am a member of the floppy group because d-i set the machine up that way many years ago. > > From /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz > > disk > > Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root access. > > True for non-removable media. Since it was declared to be a USB pen > drive we can assume it will be in the floppy group. And this was > confirmed by the poster in another message: > > Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > # ls -l /dev/sdi > > brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 128 Dec 19 07:59 /dev/sdi Being a member of the floppy group on testing or unstable doesn't confer the same privileges as it does on Wheezy. >From the udev changelog of Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:37:29 +0200. * Drop our Debian specific 50-udev-default.rules and 91-permissions.rules and use the upstream rules with a patch for the remaining Debian specific default device permissions. Many thanks to Marco d'Itri for researching which Debian-specific rules are obsolete! Amongst other things, this now also reads the hwdb info for USB devices (Closes: #717405) and gets rid of some syntax errors (Closes: #706221) 91-permissions.rules is the one to look at. How does a user now get to use fdisk or write to a USB stick without libpam etc and "so forth"? Or does it matter? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220233537.gl19...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: remote printing for an USB printer
On Saturday 20 December 2014 21:03:50 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Brian wrote: > > . . . > > This shows you have the android correctly set up for printing. > > not exactly: I said that I didn't have anything to setup: just launching > the application and wait for 10 seconds. > I think that a so mature OS as Debian should provide the same > facility. > This also shows that the sharing is correctly setup on the server side. Right. I have sorted it out. The defaults in CUPS have been changed, possibly by upstream. Go into CUPS web interface. Go to Administration -> printers -> click on the printer that you want -> click on the administration drop down menu and alter the server settings to give you what you want. Took me a few minutes of exploring. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412202323.01498.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 06:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Sorry, meant to send that to Debian user; will do so now, so ignore until it arrives that way. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the "." fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using "." as the fill character. "Just a matter of" doing that? How do I make "." the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Patrick Perhaps non-obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. The steps are simple: 1) select the entire table, 2) go to format | paragraph | tabs and set the fill character, then 3) define the tab - in this case perhaps right-justified at 6" 4) return to your table of contents and position the cursor before the first page number, 5) hit , 6) repeat for remaining topics. I thought it was relatively simple. BTW: you do have to hit "new" to actually create the tab. It then appears in the column of defined tabs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54960416.5000...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 06:05 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Sorry, meant to send that to Debian user; will do so now, so ignore until it arrives that way. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the "." fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using "." as the fill character. "Just a matter of" doing that? How do I make "." the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Patrick Perhaps non-obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. The steps are simple: 1) select the entire table, 2) go to format | paragraph | tabs and set the fill character, then 3) define the tab - in this case perhaps right-justified at 6" 4) return to your table of contents and position the cursor before the first page number, 5) hit , 6) repeat for remaining topics. I thought it was relatively simple. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54960399.70...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> >>> On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > > On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: >> >> On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >>> >>> On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare >>> >>> OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be >>> needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set >>> up >>> for. >>> >>> Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost >>> certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. >> >> At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not >> need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to >> be. >> >> Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or >> OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a >> >> different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has >> a >> free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just >> >> about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary >> interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) >> >> --doug > > Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier > than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while > LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any > stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means > allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when > they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" which is absurdly difficult to create. >>> >>> What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? >> >> It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, >> dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has >> other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo >> (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a >> style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly >> complicated, to do a very simple thing. >> >> Patrick >> >> > That's just a matter of inserting the "." fill character between the topic > name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, > tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using "." as the fill > character. "Just a matter of" doing that? How do I make "." the fill character for tabs? It's by no means self evident, because I just went through every menu looking for it. Came across Format, Paragraph, Tabs, Fill Character, chose '...', clicked OK, returned to my document, tabbed and ... nothing. No dots, just blank tabs. So I guess I missed a non-obvious step.[Libre|Open]Office is one of the least intuitive programs I have ever used (largely because it follows Word's lead). Compared with WP, it's total crap. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsNN8ASKB03JfMJE=lswxgufu9cuwpng8ymhwls8gvb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: remote printing for an USB printer
On Saturday 20 December 2014 21:03:50 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Brian wrote: > > . . . > > This shows you have the android correctly set up for printing. > > not exactly: I said that I didn't have anything to setup: just launching > the application and wait for 10 seconds. > I think that a so mature OS as Debian should provide the same > facility. > This also shows that the sharing is correctly setup on the server side. It did. CUPS just found the printer and used it. But it has just failed or me. Debian does normally provide the same facility. In fact, in my experience it shouldn't take ten seconds, it should just be there. I'll see if I can get mine working again, and report back. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412202303.36646.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 03:34 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick That's just a matter of inserting the "." fill character between the topic name and the page number. You can do it manually by entering the topic name, tabbing over to the right-aligned page number using "." as the fill character. You don't need styles. You just need to format the paragraph that way. You can automate it if you want, but probably not worth it if you don't have a lot of topics to enter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495f784.8010...@torfree.net
Re: USB drive mounted Read-only; what to do ?
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > I plug in a USB pen drive, and launch dd to copy an iso image. > > > > > > # dd bs=4M if=debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-rescue.iso of=/dev/sdi && sync > > > > Thee is no need to be root to copy the ISO. > > Of course there is no need to be root to copy an ISO file "around", but > permission to write directly to the raw device is equivalent to root, so > naturally this is not included in the permissions of "normal" users. > > $ ls -l /dev/sda > brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 0 dec 20 23:16 /dev/sda But removable media is mounted as part of the "floppy" group not the "disk" group. $ ls -l /dev/sd? brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 0 Dec 9 13:24 /dev/sda brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 16 Dec 9 13:24 /dev/sdb brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 32 Dec 9 13:24 /dev/sdc Here /dev/sdc is a usb storage device and it gets set up with the floppy group. The console user is also set up with the floppy group too. Assuming one of libpam, consolekit, systemd-login0 and so forth. Therefore the console user doesn't need to be root. They can write to the write to it directly. > From /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz > disk > Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root access. True for non-removable media. Since it was declared to be a USB pen drive we can assume it will be in the floppy group. And this was confirmed by the poster in another message: Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > # ls -l /dev/sdi > brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 128 Dec 19 07:59 /dev/sdi Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 03:35 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 02:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. Not true! You can't even modify an indent without messing with styles. Drove me crazy! --doug I just tested that claim and it's false. I did the normal thing - opened format | paragraph and changed the indent. When I was finished writing with that indent, I did the same thing only removing the extra indent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495f34c.1040...@torfree.net
Re: USB drive mounted Read-only; what to do ?
On Vi, 19 dec 14, 10:15:32, Brian wrote: > On Fri 19 Dec 2014 at 05:45:33 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > I plug in a USB pen drive, and launch dd to copy an iso image. > > > > # dd bs=4M if=debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-rescue.iso of=/dev/sdi && sync > > Thee is no need to be root to copy the ISO. Of course there is no need to be root to copy an ISO file "around", but permission to write directly to the raw device is equivalent to root, so naturally this is not included in the permissions of "normal" users. $ ls -l /dev/sda brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 0 dec 20 23:16 /dev/sda From /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz disk Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root access. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: remote printing for an USB printer
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014, Brian wrote: . . . This shows you have the android correctly set up for printing. not exactly: I said that I didn't have anything to setup: just launching the application and wait for 10 seconds. I think that a so mature OS as Debian should provide the same facility. This also shows that the sharing is correctly setup on the server side. . . . This shows you do not have the wheezy client correctly set up for printing. very useful! If the client was correctly setup, I sould not need to post for help... "Successfully"? In what way? Either the job was successful or it wasn't. Which is it? Printing or no printing? I thought I clearly described what happened: - I get a paper sheet whose content is what I sent to the printer, but: - on the client, the job remains in the queues, and the printer is marked as "stopped" - on the server, the printer queue grows indefinitely, and the printer spits page after page, until I cancel the job on the client, and all jobs on the server. I don't see an other way to describe more clearly what is happening. Enable debug logging on client and server; cupsctl(8). Print. Examine logs. Ok. I'll see whether this can lead to some explanation Say what cups version is on the server. on the server: 1.7.5-9 (jessie, i386) on the client: 1.5.3-5+deb7u4 (wheezy, amd64) best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1412202126130.11...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/20/2014 02:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. Not true! You can't even modify an indent without messing with styles. Drove me crazy! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495dd81.5090...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> > On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: >> >> On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> >>> On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> Who said anything about running windows? >> The only windows I have are made of glass lol. >> Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything >> over much to do with Linux. >> Thanks for the giggle, >> Kare >> >>> >> >>> OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be >> >>> needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up >> >>> for. >> >>> >> >>> Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost >> >>> certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. >> >> >> >> At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not >> >> need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. >> >> >> >> Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or >> >> OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a >> >> >> >> different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a >> >> free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just >> >> >> >> about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary >> >> interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) >> >> >> >> --doug >> > >> > Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier >> > than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while >> > LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any >> > stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means >> > allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when >> > they don't. >> >> By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the >> native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" >> which is absurdly difficult to create. > > What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? It's often used in tables of contents, with the topic on the left, dots to the right , page number at the far right. And it has other uses. In WP8, it was achieved with a keyboard combo (Alt-Shift-F8 if memory serves, which it probably doesn't). Creating a style in Word, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is, as I said, absurdly complicated, to do a very simple thing. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksoeoet9rcdwry08yxowwejnfqndc1txybdefnlamoq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Saturday 20 December 2014 20:05:43 Patrick Wiseman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > > On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: > >> On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > >>> On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Who said anything about running windows? > The only windows I have are made of glass lol. > Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything > over much to do with Linux. > Thanks for the giggle, > Kare > >>> > >>> OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be > >>> needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up > >>> for. > >>> > >>> Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost > >>> certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. > >> > >> At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not > >> need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. > >> > >> Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or > >> OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a > >> > >> different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a > >> free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just > >> > >> about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary > >> interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) > >> > >> --doug > > > > Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier > > than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while > > LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any > > stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means > > allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when > > they don't. > > By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the > native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" > which is absurdly difficult to create. What does that mean, and why would one want to do it? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412202025.13652.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: remote printing for an USB printer
On Sat 20 Dec 2014 at 16:25:40 +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > I have a HP photosmmart printer connected via USB to my Debian desktop. > On my android tablet,the "printershare" application found it immedialty, > without providing it any information (just: "look on the wifi network"). and > the installation was done in less that 10 seconds. This shows you have the android correctly set up for printing. > On my wheezy laptop, it's almost a nightmare. I tried all documented methods This shows you do not have the wheezy client correctly set up for printing. > (system-config-printer, http://localhst:631/printers), and > no one worked. My last attempt was to add in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf > "listen 192.168.1.12" > That seemed to work, as lpstat -a showed me all the printer > queues of the server, and I could succesfully print a job, but: "Successfully"? In what way? > - on the client, the job remains in the queues, and the printer is > marked as "stopped" > - on the server, the printer queue grows indefinitely, and the printer > spit page after page, until I cancel the job on the client, and all > jobs on the server. Either the job was successful or it wasn't. Which is it? Printing or no printing? > I have exactly the same problem on a second laptop, also running wheezy. You have both laptops set up the same way. > What can I try now? Enable debug logging on client and server; cupsctl(8). Print. Examine logs. Say what cups version is on the server. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220201814.gk19...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: >> >> On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >>> >>> On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare >>> OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be >>> needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. >>> >>> Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly >>> superior to WP51 in every significant way. >> >> >> At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not need >> a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. >> >> Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) >> will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a >> >> different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a >> free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just >> >> about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest >> in SoftMaker, a German firm.) >> >> --doug > > > Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than > applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is > quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just > a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use > styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. By way of example, flush-right-with-dot-leader is trivial in WP8 (the native WP for Linux), impossible in LibreOffice without a "style" which is absurdly difficult to create. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksnqh2ghtbxfpzh7j_okubvuk+vlgfen3tgvgozn9-s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 20/12/14 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug Funny but I never had to learn about styles. However they are handier than applying individual attributes to common elements. And while LibreOffice is quite powerful, it's not Scribus nor Scribus-like by any stretch. It's just a modern, feature-rich word processor. That means allowing people to use styles when they want to or ignoring them when they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495ce42.7060...@torfree.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 12/20/2014 12:17 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. At least she doesn't have to worry about "Styles." Most people do not need a QuarkXpress or MS Publisher, and that's what LO is trying to be. Just like those expensive commercial programs, anyone who uses LO (or OO) will either have to read and learn a lot of instructions or find a different solution. My solution is TextMaker from SoftMaker, which has a free version for non-commercial use, and which seems to have just about all the features of the paid version. (I have no pecuniary interest in SoftMaker, a German firm.) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495cabb.8060...@optonline.net
Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?
On 17/12/14 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Who said anything about running windows? The only windows I have are made of glass lol. Although a virtual dos machine might be interesting if I find anything over much to do with Linux. Thanks for the giggle, Kare OK, but you can set up a UNIX virtual machine. Worst case would be needing qemu to emulate whatever processor your WP51 version was set up for. Still don't know what you have against LibreOffice. It's almost certainly superior to WP51 in every significant way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5495af2d.5050...@torfree.net
remote printing for an USB printer
hi, I have a HP photosmmart printer connected via USB to my Debian desktop. On my android tablet,the "printershare" application found it immedialty, without providing it any information (just: "look on the wifi network"). and the installation was done in less that 10 seconds. On my wheezy laptop, it's almost a nightmare. I tried all documented methods (system-config-printer, http://localhst:631/printers), and no one worked. My last attempt was to add in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf "listen 192.168.1.12" That seemed to work, as lpstat -a showed me all the printer queues of the server, and I could succesfully print a job, but: - on the client, the job remains in the queues, and the printer is marked as "stopped" - on the server, the printer queue grows indefinitely, and the printer spit page after page, until I cancel the job on the client, and all jobs on the server. I have exactly the same problem on a second laptop, also running wheezy. What can I try now? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1412201620070.21...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net
Re: disk (and other resource) management of virtual machines
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 02:19:18PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > Is there a way to expose host file systems to the guests? NFS is a > possibility, but the VM's will be running various services that warn > not to use NFS. libvirt doesn't seem to provide the ability to expose > host file systems directly (as opposed to exposing raw block devices), > but I'm hoping I have missed something. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio I have no experience with it, so please evaluate it yourself. > I could run LVM inside the VM's; this would provide somewhat more > flexibility and disk snapshotting, though I'm not sure how I would > provide more total space to the VM in this scenario. To extend the space available to the guest in this scenario, you need to work layer by layer. On the host: - enlarge the logical volume containing the guest image In the guest sytem: - enlarge or add a partition containing a physical volume - pvresize or pvcreate/vgextend to enlarge the volume group - lvresize -r to enlarge the logical volume and the filesystem; or fsadm (same purpose) > Finally, could anyone clarify the VMs in this libvirt/KVM setup use > CPU and RAM resources? If I give a guest machine 4G of RAM does that > mean that memory is unavailable for other use by the host or other > guests? virt-manager has configuration for memory and maximum memory, > suggesting that at least some dynamic growth is possible. Likewise, > if the physical machine has 8 cores, could I run several VM's with 8 > cores each? My suspicion is that CPU's are shareable, but RAM is not, > but I don't know. Yes, CPUs are shareable. How many CPUs should be assigned to each guest depends on the number of guests and their CPU usage. I would assign all cores to a single guest only if the load is very light. With higher CPU load, guests should be assigned enough CPUs to keep all physical CPU cores busy, and maybe a little more to allow for scheduling flexibility. Above a certain number of CPUs assigned, you will just increase the scheduling overhead, but not gain better performance. RAM is shareable in theory, but current operating systems use up all available RAM as disk buffers, so some tuning may be necessary. One possibility is the current memory / maximum memory setting you mentioned, which needs a guest driver for ballooning. The guest driver reserves some memory from the guest OS for exclusive use (the difference max - current). It doesn't actually use that memory, but returns it to the host so it can be used elsewhere. I don't know if this RAM reassignment has been automated yet to change based on demand. > Thanks. > Ross Boylan > > P.S. I don't need to be able to make the changes while the VM's are > live, though the ability to do so would be handy. If you can take your VMs offline, there is another option for accessing the guest filesystems: http://libguestfs.org/ Regards, Mirko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220141352.GA4750@guitar.localdomain
