Re: Partition chiffrée
Le 29/12/2014 23:16, Raphaël POITEVIN a écrit : Bonsoir, J’ai une demande d’installation Debian Jessie avec partition chiffrée. J’ai utilisé l’installeur et fait le partitionnement manuel et créé un volume pour chiffrement avec les options par défaut. L’instalation faite, je suis un peu perplexe. Comment utiliser cette partition ? Comment faire en sorte qu’elle soit montée au démarrage ? En renvoi vers une doc me va. Merci et bonne fin d’année. Salut J'ai fait exactement la même chose et comme toi à la fin j'étais un peu perplexe :) En fouillant un peu j'ai regroupé divers tips dont voici une petite synthese (au final ca fonctionne correctement). 9.8.1. Chiffrement des disques amovibles à l’aide de dm-crypt/LUKS You can encrypt contents of removable mass devices, e.g. USB memory stick on /dev/sdx, using dm-crypt/LUKS. Origine: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … crypt_luks You simply format it as the following. # badblocks -c 1024 -s -w -t random -v /dev/sdx # fdisk /dev/sdx ... n p 1 return return w # cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdx1 ... # cryptsetup open --type luks /dev/sdx1 sdx1 ... # ls -l /dev/mapper/ total 0 crw-rw 1 root root 10, 60 2008-10-04 18:44 control brw-rw 1 root disk 254, 0 2008-10-04 23:55 sdx1 # mkfs.vfat /dev/mapper/sdx1 ... # cryptsetup luksClose sdx1 Origine: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/cryptsetup Un exemple de chiffrement du dossier /home: Modifier le fichier / etc / crypttab : # target name source device key file options home/ dev / hda7noneluks Modifier / etc / fstab pour le volume qui nous intéresse : # / etc / fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass / dev / mapper / home/homeext3 defaults 0 1 Au demarrage le systeme demande la phrase de pass. Désolé c'est un peu en vrac mais c'est de la prise de notes. Patrick -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m7to9l$7ck$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Partition chiffrée
Bonjour, moi j'ai suivi ça : http://www.linuxpedia.fr/doku.php/expert/systeme_chiffre_luks_pam_cryptsetup Le 29/12/2014 23:16, Raphaël POITEVIN a écrit : Bonsoir, J’ai une demande d’installation Debian Jessie avec partition chiffrée. J’ai utilisé l’installeur et fait le partitionnement manuel et créé un volume pour chiffrement avec les options par défaut. L’instalation faite, je suis un peu perplexe. Comment utiliser cette partition ? Comment faire en sorte qu’elle soit montée au démarrage ? En renvoi vers une doc me va. Merci et bonne fin d’année. -- Cordialement, Bernardo. Ah les femmes! Ces animaux sans queue ni tête. -+- Sacha Guitry -+- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a264ba.1050...@siorat.net
Re: Partition chiffrée
Bonjour, - Mail original - moi j'ai suivi ça : http://www.linuxpedia.fr/doku.php/expert/systeme_chiffre_luks_pam_cryptsetup Les machines récentes sont généralement dotées de disques volumineux. Leur remplissage de données aléatoires générées par /dev/urandom prend des plombes. En effet, /dev/urandom ne génère guère plus de 8 à 16 Mo de données par seconde selon les machines. Le calcul est donc simple : en comptant un débit de 16 Mo/s, remplir un disque d'une capacité annoncée de 1 To (en réalité 931 x 1024^3 octets) demande de patienter 59605 secondes, soit 16h35 environ. Et si votre machine a quelques années, ce sera plutôt 33 heures. Du coup, deux options sont possibles : - Zapper l'étape du peuplement du disque par des données aléatoires - Utiliser l'astuce présentée dans l'article suivant : http://artisan.karma-lab.net/creer-gros-conteneur-chiffre-rapidement-zeros A++, Sébastien -- Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/ Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer ! -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2057498456.254407097.1419930023346.javamail.r...@zimbra59-e10.priv.proxad.net
Re: Partition chiffrée
Merci, je ne connaissais pas cette astuce.Je la garde en mémoire pour une prochaine utilisation ;-) Le 30/12/2014 10:00, sebastien.di...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour, - Mail original - moi j'ai suivi ça : http://www.linuxpedia.fr/doku.php/expert/systeme_chiffre_luks_pam_cryptsetup Les machines récentes sont généralement dotées de disques volumineux. Leur remplissage de données aléatoires générées par /dev/urandom prend des plombes. En effet, /dev/urandom ne génère guère plus de 8 à 16 Mo de données par seconde selon les machines. Le calcul est donc simple : en comptant un débit de 16 Mo/s, remplir un disque d'une capacité annoncée de 1 To (en réalité 931 x 1024^3 octets) demande de patienter 59605 secondes, soit 16h35 environ. Et si votre machine a quelques années, ce sera plutôt 33 heures. Du coup, deux options sont possibles : - Zapper l'étape du peuplement du disque par des données aléatoires - Utiliser l'astuce présentée dans l'article suivant : http://artisan.karma-lab.net/creer-gros-conteneur-chiffre-rapidement-zeros A++, Sébastien -- Cordialement, Bernardo. Les questions les plus importantes de la vie ne sont pour la plupart que des problèmes de probabilité. -+- Pierre Simon de Laplace -+- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a26c61.5080...@siorat.net
lenovo yoga 13 jessie : perte écran tactile en sortie de veille.
Bonjour, Je possède un lenovo yoga 13 avec ecran tactil. La configuration actuelle est une distribution Jessie Linux yogayan 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux Au démarrage, à l'exception du BT, tout fonctionne correctement : Wifi et écran tactile. AU retour d'une mise en veille, je perd l'écran tactile, il faut alors redémarrer pour retrouver cette focntionnalité. J'ai à disposition un autre yoga 13 avec une Wheezy avec un noyau inférieur qui fonctionne sans problème. SUr mon yoga, ce dysfonctionnement est apparu après une mise à jour, mais laquelle ??? L'absence d'écran tactile n'est pas irrémédiable, mais bon c'est un peu plus pratique (et sympa) pour jouer aux cartes ou bien lire un pdf en mode tablette Mes premières recherche (google) et inspection (syslog et X.log) ne m'ont pas donné d'indice particulier (ou bien j'ai une paille dans les yeux...) Quelqu'un a-t-il rencontré un problème similaire ? Où trouver les information sur l'avant et l'après mise en veille en terme de reconnaissance de périphérique lors d'une sortie de veille ? Merci. -- Yann. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1419950534.4456.10.ca...@ianco.org
Re: lenovo yoga 13 jessie : perte écran tactile en sortie de veille.
Le mardi 30 décembre 2014, 15:42:14 Yann Cohen a écrit : Bonjour, ’jour, […] AU retour d'une mise en veille, je perd l'écran tactile, il faut alors redémarrer pour retrouver cette focntionnalité. J'ai à disposition un autre yoga 13 avec une Wheezy avec un noyau inférieur qui fonctionne sans problème. SUr mon yoga, ce dysfonctionnement est apparu après une mise à jour, mais laquelle ??? […] Le noyau ? Essaie de juste rétrograder le noyau, si ça remarche, c’est que c’est lui le coupable. sinon, vérifie /var/log/apt ou /var/log/aptitude pour vérifier ce qui a été mis à jour. Évidemment, connaître la date à laquelle le problème est apparu serait un plus… Si c’est bien le noyau, vérifie si un bogue n’existe pas déjà sinon fais-en un. -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2341302.WNFKKBdzKY@earendil
problème configuration wifi _Jessie
Bonjour J'ai configuré en ligne de commande le wifi sur un vieux portable: conf en statique, module IPW2200BG+wpa_supplicant. Tout paraît normal sur les sorties console et dans les logs à part le fait que je ne peux pas du tout me connecter au réseau ni même pinguer mon modem-routeur. Bizarrement, iwconfig affiche un link/quality=96/100 puis 0/100 tandis qu'au même moment iwlist scan affiche 95/100 Merci d'avance pour toute solution. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2d207.20...@gmail.com
Re: problème configuration wifi _Jessie
Bonjour, Le mardi 30 décembre 2014, maderios a écrit... Tout paraît normal sur les sorties console et dans les logs à part le fait que je ne peux pas du tout me connecter au réseau ni même pinguer mon modem-routeur. Tu peux voir si tu as NetworkManager actif et/ou le daemon wicd, qui pourraient parasiter ta configuration ? -- jm -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230164843.GA8201@espinasse
Re: problème configuration wifi _Jessie
On 12/30/2014 05:48 PM, Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote: Tout paraît normal sur les sorties console et dans les logs à part le fait que je ne peux pas du tout me connecter au réseau ni même pinguer mon modem-routeur. Tu peux voir si tu as NetworkManager actif et/ou le daemon wicd, qui pourraient parasiter ta configuration ? Aucun gui installé ni utilisé pour configurer le réseau. J'ai tout configuré à la main dans /etc/network/interfaces et /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2e1a5.70...@gmail.com
Re: problème configuration wifi _Jessie
On 12/30/2014 06:32 PM, maderios wrote: On 12/30/2014 05:48 PM, Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote: Tout paraît normal sur les sorties console et dans les logs à part le fait que je ne peux pas du tout me connecter au réseau ni même pinguer mon modem-routeur. Tu peux voir si tu as NetworkManager actif et/ou le daemon wicd, qui pourraient parasiter ta configuration ? Aucun gui installé ni utilisé pour configurer le réseau. J'ai tout configuré à la main dans /etc/network/interfaces et /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf précision : l'interface wifi est eth0 ifstat -i eth0 affiche régulièrement 0.06 KB/s en entrée et 0.00 en sortie -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2e446.1040...@gmail.com
Re: problème configuration wifi _Jessie
Salut, maderios a écrit le 30/12/2014 17:30 : Bonjour J'ai configuré en ligne de commande le wifi sur un vieux portable: conf en statique, module IPW2200BG+wpa_supplicant. Tout paraît normal sur les sorties console et dans les logs à part le fait que je ne peux pas du tout me connecter au réseau ni même pinguer mon modem-routeur. Bizarrement, iwconfig affiche un link/quality=96/100 puis 0/100 tandis qu'au même moment iwlist scan affiche 95/100 Merci d'avance pour toute solution. Sur Wheezy et ça doit être la même chose pour Jessie seul /etc/network/interfaces est nécessaire. -- Stéphane -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m7urvl$5kv$1...@usenet.pasdenom.info
Re: Instalar Debian en disco eMMC
Gracias, Al final lo he podido instalar con esta imagen: debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso Saludos. El día 29 de diciembre de 2014, 20:43, Manolo Díaz diaz.man...@gmail.com escribió: El lunes, 29 dic 2014, a las 20:27 horas (UTC+1), Josu Lazkano escribió: Gracias Manolo, Si, acabo de ver el informe, pero no entiendo como instala Debian, pone que cambia el formato de sistema de ficheros. ¿Podria borrar todas las particiones de /dev/mmcblk0? ¿Que pasaria si elimino estas particiones? Gracias por todo, Lo de cambiar el sistema de fichero de ext4 a btrfs es porque lo prefiere, es de suponer. La partición UEFI puede ser necesaria, ni idea, nunca he tenido que vérmelas con UEFI. Parece que que tras dejar instalado Ubuntu desktop forzando UEFI, el instalador de Debian deja de fallar en el paso del particionado, no sé porqué. Saludos. -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141229204352.05ed6...@gmail.com -- Josu Lazkano -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cal9g6wx4mna6_7wdvzy-q6ndnw3kp3foq+w4x0v-rscggqb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian
El Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:11 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Estoy tratando de bajar el repositorio de manjaro desde mi pc en debian y me da error el comando rsync, he tratado de encontrar el error pero parece que mis neuronas hoy no dan para más. (...) mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/ \ /manjaro/ ¿Eso quiere decir que el servidor al que conectas es http:// mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/manjaro? Si es así, no existe, sólo hay un subdirectorio manjaro, no dos. Y el error que me da es el siguiente: root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh Unexpected remote arg: mirror.netzspielplatz.de::manjaro/ rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1232) [sender=3.0.9] root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# Alguien me podría dar un empujoncito a ver si puedo hechar a andar el script? No conozco la sintaxis que usa rsync (entiendo que esos dos puntos :: que separan el servidor del directorio son correctos) pero lo que probaría primero es a ejecutarlo directamente desde línea de comandos, sin el script a ver si te dice lo mismo. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.15.10...@gmail.com
Re: OT Descargar repositorio de Manjaro desde Debian
El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:56:17 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: (...) No he visto estos mensajes que has ido enviando porque han quedado deshilados. He seguido investigando, pero sin resultado alguno, ahora tengo el script para tratar de descargar el repositorio de la siguiente forma: rsync -arv \ --exclude=x86_64 \ --exclude=testing \ --exclude=unstable \ rsync://mirror3.layerjet.com/manjaro/ \ ~/manjaro/ Esa ruta parece más normal. Pero me da el siguiente error: root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# sh rmanjaro.sh rsync: getaddrinfo: mirror3.layerjet.com 873: Name or service not known rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9] root@clt_iyc_03:/mnt/datos/instalaciones/linux# Alguien me podría dar alguna ayudita para poder descargar el repositorio? Parece que tiene problemas para resolver por nombre (name or service not known), prueba con la IP del servidor: rsync://176.9.53.178/manjaro/ \ Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.15.15...@gmail.com
Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema
El Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:22:02 +0100, Damián Naya escribió: El 28/12/14 a las 14:18, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/12/14 a las 13:49, Camaleón escribió: Oye, acabo de ver que hay problemas de dependencias con el paquete de LO de los backports, sería conveniente que esperaras a que lo arreglaran. https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00037.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/12/msg00038.html Eso mismo voy a hacer yo. Esperar. No será tan importante ni urgente la actualización ;) A ver si va a ser una inocentada por parte del equipo Debian... :-D Menuda inocentada sería... :-P Solucionados los problemas de los backports, parece... Me ha cargado la versión 4.3.3.2 de LibreOffice. Sí, ayer ya lo corrigieron y sólo estaba pendiente de que actualizaran los repositorios. Por cierto, para los backports, he visto estos repositorios: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free Y estos, donde solo se añade contrib: deb _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free deb-src _http://ftp.debian.org/debian/_ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free ¿Qué es más correcto? Si no necesitas ningún paquete de esa sección (non-free) puedes omitirlo. Debido a su licencia ningún paquete libre podrá depender de ellos pero tampoco te va a hacer daño tenerlo habilitado ;-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.15.33...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] gnome en wayland
Hola. El 30/12/14 a las 02:32, Juan Lavieri escibió: Hola listeros. Hoy estaba intentando jugar un poco con gnome en wayland, pero no pude hacer nada ya que no me aparece el puntero del ratón por ningún lado. Googleando un poco conseguí el reporte de algunos problemas relacionados con la velocidad del ratón y el touchpad, pero no pareciera tener relación con mi problema ya que en mi caso el puntero desapareció y cuando muevo el ratón o el touchpad hay evidencia de dicho movimiento a la velocidad normal. En concreto quisiera saber si alguien ha utilizado wayland bajo jessie y si tuvo que hacer algún ajuste para que funcionara. Trabajando un poco en el tema me di cuenta que si accedo con un usuario nuevo, con el gnome shell sin ningún cambio en la configuración inicial, funciona sin problemas. Ahora tengo que averiguar qué tiene de malo mi usuario. Por lo pronto he intentado instalando los paquetes: i ibus-wayland - Intelligent Input Bus - Wayland support i libva-wayland1- Video Acceleration (VA) API for Linux -- Wayland runtime Pero sigue igual. Sigo probando. Gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2c785.9000...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] gnome en wayland
El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:32:27 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió: Hoy estaba intentando jugar un poco con gnome en wayland, pero no pude hacer nada ya que no me aparece el puntero del ratón por ningún lado. ¿Qué tarjeta gráfica tienes y qué drivers usas? Desconozco el soporte de los adaptadores/drivers con este nuevo protocolo :-? Googleando un poco conseguí el reporte de algunos problemas relacionados con la velocidad del ratón y el touchpad, pero no pareciera tener relación con mi problema ya que en mi caso el puntero desapareció y cuando muevo el ratón o el touchpad hay evidencia de dicho movimiento a la velocidad normal. En concreto quisiera saber si alguien ha utilizado wayland bajo jessie y si tuvo que hacer algún ajuste para que funcionara. No, no lo he probado, pero sí se me ocurre que como jessie lleva ya un tiempo congelada, es posible que wayland haya ido evolucionando más en sid y necesites algún paquete/biblioteca de sid/experimental para que funcione de manera más fluida en gnome-shell. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.15.42...@gmail.com
Re: Instalar Debian en disco eMMC
El Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:26:18 +0100, Josu Lazkano escribió: Tengo un problema con un mini PC que he comprado, el ECS Liva: http://www.ecs.com.tw/LIVA/ El problema es que no puedo instalar Debian en el disco eMMC de 32GB que trae. Lo estoy instalando desde un disco USB, he probado tanto con Wheezy como Jessie, pero en la parte donde toca particionar el disco, solo me muestra el disco USB del instalar, nada del disco interno eMMC de 32GB: SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 2.0 GB Kingstone DataTraveler 2.0 He probado con Xubuntu 14.04 y funciona sin problemas (lo he instalado desde un lector de CD), esto es la info que puedo sacar sobre el disco: (...) Quizá con una imagen superior del instalador de Jessie te permita instalar sobre la tarjeta de memoria MMC pero bueno, ya he visto que al final lo has podido solucionar con una imagen no oficial :-) Por cierto, en su FAQ¹ dice que Ubuntu 14.04 se instala bien pero que no reconoce el Wifi/BT. No da más datos, así que quizá únicamente haya que compilar manualmente algún driver propietario. ¹http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_LIVA_FAQ.aspx Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.15.51...@gmail.com
Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema
El martes, 30 dic 2014, a las 16:33 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: Si no necesitas ningún paquete de esa sección (non-free) puedes omitirlo. Debido a su licencia ningún paquete libre podrá depender de ellos pero tampoco te va a hacer daño tenerlo habilitado ;-) Pues sí que puede. De hecho es la razón de ser de la sección contrib: paquetes que son completamente libres pero que dependen de otros que no lo son. Tal vez te referías a que ningún paquete de main puede depender de non-free, lo cual _sí_ es cierto. Saludos. -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230171233.74d6f...@gmail.com
Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema
El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:12:33 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El martes, 30 dic 2014, a las 16:33 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: Si no necesitas ningún paquete de esa sección (non-free) puedes omitirlo. Debido a su licencia ningún paquete libre podrá depender de ellos pero tampoco te va a hacer daño tenerlo habilitado ;-) Pues sí que puede. De hecho es la razón de ser de la sección contrib: paquetes que son completamente libres pero que dependen de otros que no lo son. Tal vez te referías a que ningún paquete de main puede depender de non-free, lo cual _sí_ es cierto. ¿Estamos quisquillosos, eh? :-) DFSG ! libre. O lo que es lo mismo, los paquetes de contrib que dependan de paquetes no libres no son libres (de lo contrario estarían en main) aunque cumplan con la DFSG. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.16.41...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] gnome en wayland
Hola Camaleón. El 30/12/14 a las 11:12, Camaleón escibió: El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:32:27 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió: Hoy estaba intentando jugar un poco con gnome en wayland, pero no pude hacer nada ya que no me aparece el puntero del ratón por ningún lado. ¿Qué tarjeta gráfica tienes y qué drivers usas? Desconozco el soporte de los adaptadores/drivers con este nuevo protocolo :-? Googleando un poco conseguí el reporte de algunos problemas relacionados con la velocidad del ratón y el touchpad, pero no pareciera tener relación con mi problema ya que en mi caso el puntero desapareció y cuando muevo el ratón o el touchpad hay evidencia de dicho movimiento a la velocidad normal. En concreto quisiera saber si alguien ha utilizado wayland bajo jessie y si tuvo que hacer algún ajuste para que funcionara. No, no lo he probado, pero sí se me ocurre que como jessie lleva ya un tiempo congelada, es posible que wayland haya ido evolucionando más en sid y necesites algún paquete/biblioteca de sid/experimental para que funcione de manera más fluida en gnome-shell. Como expliqué en un email anterior parece que si funciona tal como está, ya que con un usuario fresco aparece el puntero y a groso modo funciona sin problemas. Todavía no estoy seguro de todo lo que estoy diciendo porque tuve que salir y recién estoy llegando (por eso tardé en responder). Dentro de un rato seguiré con las pruebas. Gracias por responder. Saludos Saludos, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2f045.7010...@gmail.com
Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema
El martes, 30 dic 2014, a las 17:41 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:12:33 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El martes, 30 dic 2014, a las 16:33 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: Si no necesitas ningún paquete de esa sección (non-free) puedes omitirlo. Debido a su licencia ningún paquete libre podrá depender de ellos pero tampoco te va a hacer daño tenerlo habilitado ;-) Pues sí que puede. De hecho es la razón de ser de la sección contrib: paquetes que son completamente libres pero que dependen de otros que no lo son. Tal vez te referías a que ningún paquete de main puede depender de non-free, lo cual _sí_ es cierto. ¿Estamos quisquillosos, eh? :-) Es por dejar las cosas claras (bueno, y por la malicia de ser quisquilloso). DFSG ! libre. De libre hay un montón de interpretaciones y tienes derecho a usar la que quieras. Hay quien no considera la GPL como libre porque su licencia es viral, te obliga a incluirla en trabajos derivados. O lo que es lo mismo, los paquetes de contrib que dependan de paquetes no libres no son libres (de lo contrario estarían en main) aunque cumplan con la DFSG. DSFG [1] es algo más concreto que libre, y todos los paquetes de main y contrib deben cumplirlas. La diferencia estriba en que los paquetes de main solo puede depender de otros que también la cumplan, es una sección autocontenida en ese sentido. Contrib no. Saludos, [1] https://www.debian.org/social_contract Saludos -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230194532.5f9d5...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] gnome en wayland
Respondiéndomo e mi mismo. El 30/12/14 a las 14:04, Juan Lavieri escibió: Hola Camaleón. El 30/12/14 a las 11:12, Camaleón escibió: El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:32:27 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió: Hoy estaba intentando jugar un poco con gnome en wayland, pero no pude hacer nada ya que no me aparece el puntero del ratón por ningún lado. ¿Qué tarjeta gráfica tienes y qué drivers usas? Desconozco el soporte de los adaptadores/drivers con este nuevo protocolo :-? Googleando un poco conseguí el reporte de algunos problemas relacionados con la velocidad del ratón y el touchpad, pero no pareciera tener relación con mi problema ya que en mi caso el puntero desapareció y cuando muevo el ratón o el touchpad hay evidencia de dicho movimiento a la velocidad normal. En concreto quisiera saber si alguien ha utilizado wayland bajo jessie y si tuvo que hacer algún ajuste para que funcionara. No, no lo he probado, pero sí se me ocurre que como jessie lleva ya un tiempo congelada, es posible que wayland haya ido evolucionando más en sid y necesites algún paquete/biblioteca de sid/experimental para que funcione de manera más fluida en gnome-shell. Como expliqué en un email anterior parece que si funciona tal como está, ya que con un usuario fresco aparece el puntero y a groso modo funciona sin problemas. Falso. No funciona ni con el usuario fresco. Todavía no estoy seguro de todo lo que estoy diciendo porque tuve que salir y recién estoy llegando (por eso tardé en responder). Dentro de un rato seguiré con las pruebas. Gracias por responder. Saludos Saludos, Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a3087f.9070...@gmail.com
Subredes, proxy y otras yerbas
Hola, como están?. Me presento, me llamo Fernando, vivo en La Plata, Argentina y hace unos cuantos años que utilizo Linux, en especial Debian y Ubuntu. Se me presento un caso en mi trabajo. Tenemos un squid linkeado a un active directory de Win(fucker) 2008 en la red 192.168.0.0, ademas de haber implementado un firewall con iptables. Todo realizado en un Debian 7. Hasta ahí no hay inconvenientes, los usuarios navegan perfectamente según los grupos asignados en el active directory. El problema se presento justamente hoy, al querer ampliar la red a otra subred (192.168.30.0, que dicho sea de paso se implemento en forma de vlan en un router mikrotik.) La cuestión es, que después de haber agregado la ruta en una de las interfaces del debian para que vea la subred 30, estos navegan perfectamente en internet, pero no la subred 0, todo lo que sea web no funciona, salvo el correo electrónico y el skype. Que es lo que puede estar pasando? Con netstat -nr se ven las rutas asignadas perfectamente, por ese lado no veo el problema... me estará faltando algún tipo de regla adicional en el firewall ?? Si les sirve les puedo postear el script del firewall. La política por defecto es DROP y luego permito algunos puertos y mac address para que bypaseen el proxy. Desde ya agradezco toda a ayuda que me puedan brindar. Saludos!!! -- *Fernando Miculan.-FCM SistemasTel. 15-5435862 / ID: 160*6915* *ICQ: 6410724 / Skype: fcmsistemashttp://ferchobbs.ddns.net http://ferchobbs.ddns.net* *BBS Telnet: ferchobbs.ddns.net:23 http://ferchobbs.no-ip.org:23 *
Re: (Solucionado) Obligado a degradar Libreoffice al actualizar el sistema
El Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:45:32 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El martes, 30 dic 2014, a las 17:41 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: (...) Si no necesitas ningún paquete de esa sección (non-free) puedes omitirlo. Debido a su licencia ningún paquete libre podrá depender de ellos pero tampoco te va a hacer daño tenerlo habilitado ;-) Pues sí que puede. De hecho es la razón de ser de la sección contrib: paquetes que son completamente libres pero que dependen de otros que no lo son. Tal vez te referías a que ningún paquete de main puede depender de non-free, lo cual _sí_ es cierto. ¿Estamos quisquillosos, eh? :-) Es por dejar las cosas claras (bueno, y por la malicia de ser quisquilloso). X-) DFSG ! libre. De libre hay un montón de interpretaciones y tienes derecho a usar la que quieras. Hay quien no considera la GPL como libre porque su licencia es viral, te obliga a incluirla en trabajos derivados. Lo que te quiero decir es que la DFSG de Debian son unas guías de uso de licencias para Debian, para los paquetes que pueden estar (y dónde) en sus repositorios, nada más. Debian sólo responde ante main. Y sólo los paquetes de main son libres. Los paquetes de contrib pueden tener requisitos que no entren dentro de lo que se considera libre (p. ej., el wrapper de flashplugin-nonfree que a Adobe no le debería de hacer mucha gracia). O lo que es lo mismo, los paquetes de contrib que dependan de paquetes no libres no son libres (de lo contrario estarían en main) aunque cumplan con la DFSG. DSFG [1] es algo más concreto que libre, y todos los paquetes de main y contrib deben cumplirlas. La diferencia estriba en que los paquetes de main solo puede depender de otros que también la cumplan, es una sección autocontenida en ese sentido. Contrib no. (...) Repito, si un paquete depende de otro que no es libre, deja de serlo (de hecho, esa ambigüedad es la que hace que a la FSF no le haga gracia Debian). Y esa es la condición para que los paquetes estén en contrib, que tengan dependencias fuera del repo principal (main), no hay más misterio. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.30.20.28...@gmail.com
Re: Subredes, proxy y otras yerbas
El día 30 de diciembre de 2014, 17:23, Fernando Miculan fernandocmicu...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, como están?. Me presento, me llamo Fernando, vivo en La Plata, Argentina y hace unos cuantos años que utilizo Linux, en especial Debian y Ubuntu. Se me presento un caso en mi trabajo. Tenemos un squid linkeado a un active directory de Win(fucker) 2008 en la red 192.168.0.0, ademas de haber implementado un firewall con iptables. Todo realizado en un Debian 7. Hasta ahí no hay inconvenientes, los usuarios navegan perfectamente según los grupos asignados en el active directory. El problema se presento justamente hoy, al querer ampliar la red a otra subred (192.168.30.0, que dicho sea de paso se implemento en forma de vlan en un router mikrotik.) La cuestión es, que después de haber agregado la ruta en una de las interfaces del debian para que vea la subred 30, estos navegan perfectamente en internet, pero no la subred 0, todo lo que sea web no funciona, salvo el correo electrónico y el skype. Que es lo que puede estar pasando? Con netstat -nr se ven las rutas asignadas perfectamente, por ese lado no veo el problema... me estará faltando algún tipo de regla adicional en el firewall ?? Si les sirve les puedo postear el script del firewall. La política por defecto es DROP y luego permito algunos puertos y mac address para que bypaseen el proxy. Falta algo de info, pero adivinando diría que algún cambio afectó la configuración de squid donde se daba permiso a la red 192.168.0.0/(24?) para utilizar el mismo al habilitar la 192.168.30.0(/24?) o lo mismo en iptables donde se permite acceder a la IP:Puerto donde escucha squid. Al decir que anda el correo y skype descarto problemas de ruteo/nat. Cuando desis que no navegan, cual es el error? un error de squid diciendo que no tienen permiso o que no los clientes nos se pueden conectar al proxy? Desde ya agradezco toda a ayuda que me puedan brindar. Saludos!!! -- Fernando Miculan.- FCM Sistemas Tel. 15-5435862 / ID: 160*6915 ICQ: 6410724 / Skype: fcmsistemas http://ferchobbs.ddns.net BBS Telnet: ferchobbs.ddns.net:23 Saludos, Santiago.- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJ5eSfaQfB-3QwPZuu1=npoyb4x6v7mhd4+af7+6_plpnui...@mail.gmail.com
Subredes, proxy y otras yerbas
Se me presento un caso en mi trabajo. Tenemos un squid linkeado a un active directory de Win(fucker) 2008 en la red 192.168.0.0, ademas de haber implementado un firewall con iptables. Todo realizado en un Debian 7. Hasta ahí no hay inconvenientes, los usuarios navegan perfectamente según los grupos asignados en el active directory. El problema se presento justamente hoy, al querer ampliar la red a otra subred (192.168.30.0, que dicho sea de paso se implemento en forma de vlan en un router mikrotik.) La cuestión es, que después de haber agregado la ruta en una de las interfaces del debian para que vea la subred 30, estos navegan perfectamente en internet, pero no la subred 0, todo lo que sea web no funciona, salvo el correo electrónico y el skype. Que es lo que puede estar pasando? Con netstat -nr se ven las rutas asignadas perfectamente, por ese lado no veo el problema... me estará faltando algún tipo de regla adicional en el firewall ?? Si les sirve les puedo postear el script del firewall. La política por defecto es DROP y luego permito algunos puertos y mac address para que bypaseen el proxy. Falta algo de info, pero adivinando diría que algún cambio afectó la configuración de squid donde se daba permiso a la red 192.168.0.0/(24?) para utilizar el mismo al habilitar la 192.168.30.0(/24?) o lo mismo en iptables donde se permite acceder a la IP:Puerto donde escucha squid. Al decir que anda el correo y skype descarto problemas de ruteo/nat. Cuando desis que no navegan, cual es el error? un error de squid diciendo que no tienen permiso o que no los clientes nos se pueden conectar al proxy? Los que no navegan son los equipos de la subred 0 que esquivan el proxy squid a través de una regla iptables por mac address. Si esos equipos los apunto al squid desde el navegador, funcionan bien. Lo extraño es que esa regla funciono de maravillas antes de hacer la subred 30. -- *Fernando Miculan.-FCM SistemasTel. 15-5435862 / ID: 160*6915* *ICQ: 6410724 / Skype: fcmsistemashttp://ferchobbs.ddns.net http://ferchobbs.ddns.net* *BBS Telnet: ferchobbs.ddns.net:23 http://ferchobbs.no-ip.org:23 *
RE: Subredes, proxy y otras yerbas
Se me presento un caso en mi trabajo. Tenemos un squid linkeado a un active directory de Win(fucker) 2008 en la red 192.168.0.0, ademas de haber implementado un firewall con iptables. Todo realizado en un Debian 7. Hasta ahí no hay inconvenientes, los usuarios navegan perfectamente según los grupos asignados en el active directory. El problema se presento justamente hoy, al querer ampliar la red a otra subred (192.168.30.0, que dicho sea de paso se implemento en forma de vlan en un router mikrotik.) La cuestión es, que después de haber agregado la ruta en una de las interfaces del debian para que vea la subred 30, estos navegan perfectamente en internet, pero no la subred 0, todo lo que sea web no funciona, salvo el correo electrónico y el skype. Que es lo que puede estar pasando? Con netstat -nr se ven las rutas asignadas perfectamente, por ese lado no veo el problema... me estará faltando algún tipo de regla adicional en el firewall ?? Si les sirve les puedo postear el script del firewall. La política por defecto es DROP y luego permito algunos puertos y mac address para que bypaseen el proxy. Falta algo de info, pero adivinando diría que algún cambio afectó laconfiguración de squid donde se daba permiso a la red192.168.0.0/(24?) para utilizar el mismo al habilitar la192.168.30.0(/24?) o lo mismo en iptables donde se permite acceder ala IP:Puerto donde escucha squid.Al decir que anda el correo y skype descarto problemas de ruteo/nat.Cuando desis que no navegan, cual es el error? un error de squiddiciendo que no tienen permiso o que no los clientes nos se puedenconectar al proxy? Los que no navegan son los equipos de la subred 0 que esquivan el proxy squid a través de una regla iptables por mac address. Si esos equipos los apunto al squid desde el navegador, funcionan bien.Lo extraño es que esa regla funciono de maravillas antes de hacer la subred 30. Has usado el FORWARD NAT de iptables para llevar 0.0 hacia 30.0 ? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2008/11/msg00094.html https://albertomolina.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/nat-con-iptables/ saludos WRC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/bay177-w94a860f656a2ebf7db72bb6...@phx.gbl
Eclipse?
Någon här som kör Eclipse? Till vad? Nöjd? Alternativ? Själv sitter jag av historiska skäl fast med Windows och CoIDE (eclipsebaserat) i ett par ARM-projekt. http://www.coocox.org/index.html Jag har länge varit måttligt nöjd med den miljön och funderar på att dumpa den till förmån för något linuxbaserat. Det kommer att innebära att mina kunder får köra projekten under Windows men att åtminstone jag slipper lida. Tacksam för förslag, tips och åsikter. /Janne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230154619.6dfc329c@igor
Re: Eclipse?
Hej Den 30 dec 2014 15:46 skrev j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Någon här som kör Eclipse? Till vad? Nöjd? Alternativ? Kör Eclipse och är nöjd. Använder i utbildning. Mestadels java-programmering, vanliga program och servlets. Blandar den paketerade med egen installation. Själv sitter jag av historiska skäl fast med Windows och CoIDE (eclipsebaserat) i ett par ARM-projekt. http://www.coocox.org/index.html Oj. Jag har länge varit måttligt nöjd med den miljön och funderar på att dumpa den till förmån för något linuxbaserat. Det kommer att innebära att mina kunder får köra projekten under Windows men att åtminstone jag slipper lida. Det skall teoretiskt gå att använda rakt av, men det brukar dyka upp några mindre problem som man behöver vara medvetna om att det gör. Men jag var nöjd med det ändå. Bara man har versionshantering på källkoden så brukar det ordna sig. Tacksam för förslag, tips och åsikter. /Janne Vad använder du Eclipse till? Programmeringsspråk och arbetsflöde skulle hjälpa. Vet inte av några speciella miljöer. Beror på hur mycket stöd du får av Eclipse och som du använder. Vet inte om NetBeans kan vara någotx använder inte den själv men vet många som verkligen gillar den. De är ganska lika varandra. Emacs är en trevlig miljö med mycket integrerat, som versionshantering, debugger etc. Ligger mellan en editor och IDE. Är dock inte lika Eclipse när det gäller standardinställning. Man behöver aktivera och ställa in rätt mycket, men då får man det som man vill, om man vet vad det är och kan verktygen man vill använda. ;-) Konfigureras med Lisp och går att programmeras med Lisp. Det gör att man kan göra många förändringar. Mycket av tangenbordsbindningarna från Emacs används i andra program, som exempelvis bash. /Anders
Re: Eclipse?
On 30 Dec 2014 18:11 +0100, from anders.jack...@gmail.com (Anders Jackson): Bara man har versionshantering på källkoden så brukar det ordna sig. Eclipse har ju sina egna filer som den tycker om att skriva i lite då och då. Värt att tänka på om man har källkodshantering där man behöver ta ett aktivt beslut att kunna redigera filerna utan att något blir ledset, men förmodligen ingen stor sak. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230173136.gc10...@yeono.kjorling.se
Re: Eclipse?
Hej Den 30 dec 2014 18:35 skrev Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se: On 30 Dec 2014 18:11 +0100, from anders.jack...@gmail.com (Anders Jackson): Bara man har versionshantering på källkoden så brukar det ordna sig. Eclipse har ju sina egna filer som den tycker om att skriva i lite då och då. Värt att tänka på om man har källkodshantering där man behöver ta ett aktivt beslut att kunna redigera filerna utan att något blir ledset, men förmodligen ingen stor sak. De skall man väl undvika att ha i versionshantering (filer och kataloger som börjar med en punkt)? Inställningarna där tenderar att ändras med versionerna av Eclipse, så då kan det bli problem om man har olika versioner. I vart fall min erfarenhet. Speciellt blir det problem om man varierar os och installationer av program, inte bara Eclipse. Gott nytt år -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) /Anders
Re: Eclipse?
j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Någon här som kör Eclipse? Till vad? Nöjd? Alternativ? Personligen har jag börjat använda Code::Blocks http://www.codeblocks.org/ (finns paketerat i Debian); det känns lite mer som Visual Studio för de som har erfarenhet av det. Jag har inte riktigt fått den integrerade debuggern att fungera ordentligt, men eftersom jag jobbar mycket mot inbyggda system har det inte varit topprioritet. Projektfilerna för Code::Blocks kan enkelt läggas i en egen katalog och använda relativa sökvägar, så när jag använder det på $DAYJOB så har jag projektfilerna i ett eget repository som jag checkar ut som en underkatalog och får upp alla filer där. -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1412302231100.23...@ds9.cixit.se
Var köpa blanka/programmerbara smartkort?
Chansar på att någon här vet. **Var kan jag köpa blanka smartkort?** Leker med tanken på att använda smartkort för att lagra PGP-nycklar och liknande hemligheter. Kortläsare går ju att köpa lite varstans (Dustin har några stycken i sortimentet) men själva korten verkar vara värre. Bonus om man dessutom inte är tvungen att köpa i hundrapack! När jag söker så får jag upp ungefär allt _utom_ det jag vill ha. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230222517.gg10...@yeono.kjorling.se
Re: Eclipse?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 22:34:29 +0100 (CET) Peter Krefting pe...@softwolves.pp.se wrote: j...@lillahusetiskogen.se: Någon här som kör Eclipse? Till vad? Nöjd? Alternativ? Personligen har jag börjat använda Code::Blocks http://www.codeblocks.org/ (finns paketerat i Debian); det känns lite mer som Visual Studio för de som har erfarenhet av det. Jag har inte riktigt fått den integrerade debuggern att fungera ordentligt, men eftersom jag jobbar mycket mot inbyggda system har det inte varit topprioritet. Projektfilerna för Code::Blocks kan enkelt läggas i en egen katalog och använda relativa sökvägar, så när jag använder det på $DAYJOB så har jag projektfilerna i ett eget repository som jag checkar ut som en underkatalog och får upp alla filer där. Hur kommer det sig att du valt Code::Blocks istf Eclipse? Jag bara undrar, jag har ingen preferens men det känns som om Eclipse används mer än Code::Blocks. Vad det nu är värt? Windows är ju populärt av någon outgrundlig anledning... Jag jobbar till 99% med inbyggda system, iofs på bare metal nivå. Skulle inte vilja vara utan JTAG/OWD eller vad det kan heta beroende på tillverkare. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230232538.641e06cd@igor
Re: Var köpa blanka/programmerbara smartkort?
Hej Jag kan rekommendera följande länk https://github.com/OpenSC/OpenSC/wiki/Supported-hardware-%28smart-cards-and-USB-tokens%29 https://github.com/OpenSC/OpenSC/wiki/Supported-hardware-(smart-cards-and-USB-tokens) Där listas många olika typer av kort, MyEID verkar lovande och kan köpas styckvis. https://github.com/OpenSC/OpenSC/wiki/Aventra-MyEID-PKI-card https://github.com/OpenSC/OpenSC/wiki/Aventra-MyEID-PKI-card Jag kom inte så långt när jag själv testade för ett år sedan, men då använde jag mig utav en feitian PKI USB token. Men det berodde mest på buggar med deras drivers, och den tillverkas inte längre. On 30 Dec 2014, at 23:25, Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se wrote: Chansar på att någon här vet. **Var kan jag köpa blanka smartkort?** Leker med tanken på att använda smartkort för att lagra PGP-nycklar och liknande hemligheter. Kortläsare går ju att köpa lite varstans (Dustin har några stycken i sortimentet) men själva korten verkar vara värre. Bonus om man dessutom inte är tvungen att köpa i hundrapack! När jag söker så får jag upp ungefär allt _utom_ det jag vill ha. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230222517.gg10...@yeono.kjorling.se
Re: Installation på Acer Extensa?
Jonas Smedegaard skrev: Hvilken version af Debian prøver du at få installeret? Wheezy. Installerer du med UEFI eller BIOS? Jeg forsøgte mig først med »Legacy« (hvilket formodentlig svarer til BIOS), men jeg kunne kun få startet installationsprogrammet med UEFI. På nyere laptops der understøtter UEFI bør du prøve både med emuleret BIOS og UEFI (sammen med et nyligt snapshot af installationsrutinen). Hmmm... Det kan godt være at jeg skal se efter noget nyere end 1. marts 2013 så. :-/ Hvilken installationsrutine bruger du, og hvordan har du puttet den på en USB-nøgle? Modsat Flemming vil jeg foreslå dig først at prøve med det officielle netinst systemaftryk og kopiere det råt over på USB-nøglen med cat-kommandoen¹. Jeg bruger det officielle »debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso« (og »cp«, der er anbefalingen i brugsanvisningen). En lidt nyere udgave kunne måske god være en idé. Tak for rådene. - Og specielt påmindelsen om at tjekke datoen på mit installationsbillede. Jacob -- Preserve wildlife, pickle a duck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-danish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2633a.4070...@jacob-sparre.dk
Re: Installation på Acer Extensa?
Quoting Jacob Sparre Andersen (2014-12-30 09:32:58) Jonas Smedegaard skrev: Hvilken version af Debian prøver du at få installeret? Wheezy. Installerer du med UEFI eller BIOS? Jeg forsøgte mig først med »Legacy« (hvilket formodentlig svarer til BIOS), men jeg kunne kun få startet installationsprogrammet med UEFI. Det var hvad jeg mistænkte. Prøv med bleeding edge Jessie installation. Også selvom det ikke er hvad du i sidste ende vil have på din maskine, kan det være en stor hjælp at finde noget der virker og så arbejde videre (steppe tilbage til noget mere stabilt) derfra. På nyere laptops der understøtter UEFI bør du prøve både med emuleret BIOS og UEFI (sammen med et nyligt snapshot af installationsrutinen). Hmmm... Det kan godt være at jeg skal se efter noget nyere end 1. marts 2013 så. :-/ Ja, såvidt jeg husker er netop UEFI noget af det der er blevet rykket på henover sommeren (men ikke meget, desværre: der er for få Fri Software UEFI eksperter). Hvilken installationsrutine bruger du, og hvordan har du puttet den på en USB-nøgle? Modsat Flemming vil jeg foreslå dig først at prøve med det officielle netinst systemaftryk og kopiere det råt over på USB-nøglen med cat-kommandoen¹. Jeg bruger det officielle »debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso« (og »cp«, der er anbefalingen i brugsanvisningen). En lidt nyere udgave kunne måske god være en idé. Ah, godt at installationsrutinen anbefaler cp - det vidste jeg ikke. Tak for rådene. - Og specielt påmindelsen om at tjekke datoen på mit installationsbillede. Glæder mig at kunne hjælpe lidt på vej - og håber at den generelle tavshed her på listen indikerer at der kun sjældent er knas med installationen ;-) Giv endeligt lyd om hvordan det videre går med projektet! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: wifi connection tool?
On Lu, 29 dec 14, 15:58:06, Vincent Lefevre wrote: This is for Network Manager (which I'm not using since it handles the full network configuration, but I already have my own for Ethernet, and I don't want it to be broken). If I'm not mistaken it can be configured to not handle connections already handled by ifupdown. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On Lu, 29 dec 14, 22:06:55, Jerry Stuckle wrote: No, from what I've seen, the default is to do preventative fscks, depending on the number of boots (and time? I'm not sure). Could you please show us where you've seen this? For the record, again, from the e2fsprogs changelog: e2fsprogs (1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1) unstable; urgency=low ... * Mke2fs will now create file systems that enable user namespace extended attributes and with time- and mount count-based file system checks disabled. ... -- Theodore Y. Ts'o ty...@mit.edu Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:38:57 -0400 Of course, if you have filesystems created with earlier e2fsprogs you'll still have the periodic checks enabled, but they are easy to disable with tune2fs. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On Lu, 29 dec 14, 18:32:28, Marc Auslander wrote: Long ago, I decided that inconvenient fsck's were not what I needed. And that cancelling them was not an option - I run quasi headless so there's no way. So - I use tune2fs to set a ridiculous reboot count for automatic fsck. Just for the archives, as per tune2fs(8), one can disable the mount count check by setting the value to 0 or -1. [snip implementation of monthly forced check via cron] Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Develop ineo 25e printer and CUPS
On 12/30/2014 02:41 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: Hi all, I have a Develop ineo 25e printer, and want to set it up with CUPS. I connect to http://localhost:631/ and add the printer, with uploading the PPD available here: http://www.develop.eu/en/products/office-products/colour/ineo-25/downloads.html (English, Linux, version 1.1 dated 2012) The printer is network connected, and the connection is socket://192.168.129.100 job-sheets=none, none media=iso_a4_210x297mm sides=one-sided I tried several combinations, with or without the PPD, socket:// or ipp://,... no way: The test page prints OK, but any other page is a kind of source code I could not define. Would you know what option could save me? Thanks. When you performed the test page print, was that order sent from the front panel of the printer or from one of the networked computers? This sounds like it could be a communications error. The simplest and first thing I'd try in a case like this is to reset the printer itself by cycling it's power. You might also check the cable connections to be certain they're secure. If neither of those suggestions work, you might try telling us what you've tried in the way of troubleshooting, and any error messages that you might discern in the printer output -- though it sounds as though there won't be anything decipherable there. Best regards, JP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a28aee.7030...@comcast.net
Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(
Am Dienstag, 30. Dezember 2014, 10:40:55 schrieben Sie: It has the black screen after boot when try load the desktop login screen - so this is the 2. - from which you mentioned. I have got two NVIDIA 8600GT - in SLI - with two screens plugged in one of the cards - as you could see in my xorg.conf - which was posted here. Many thanks So, that might be the point. You got SLI. I believe, that might be the reason. I am not experienced with SLI. But there is a good manual for the entries in xorg.conf sent with the package. I suggest to iterate the problem. If it is possible, to insert only one card, then do so. Use only just one monitor. If this is working, add the other monitor. If they are both working ( I believe, there is a twin or Stereo option in xorg.conf), then add the second card. If you do so, then you may find out the reason. Also check, if the nvidia module is loaded (I guess you did already) by using lsmod | grep nvidia. Make sure, the nouveau module is NOT loaded! (lsmod | grep nouveau). The problem is, that we do still not know, what the real reason is for the malfunction. Hope this helps. Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1706377.8cEtRsQgql@protheus2
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 30/12/2014 06:04, Gary Dale a écrit : On 29/12/14 11:59 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 12/29/2014 at 11:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 29/12/14 04:27 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit : Apparently not. Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot ! Given that most packages are trivially small compared with disk space and memory these days, especially on gaming computers, the question itself is almost pointless. Just pull in the dependency and forget about it. It's far from pointless if you're wanting to try to _understand_ what's going on and why, which is an eminently reasonable goal and one which should be encouraged rather than treated dismissively. I read it as a complaint, not a question. He didn't ask why didn't it, just shouldn't it. He didn't say it created any problems with his desktop environment, just frustration that he needed two xterms. 1/ Remember that not all people speak English as their native language. 2/ Although it was indeed a question and not a complaint, I'm trying to build a desktop for non-computer-literate people, used to simple layouts like stock MacOSX, so yeah, having two terminals in the menu _is_ a problem for the goal I'm trying to reach. 3/ Following your logic, I just should have forgotten about the problem (because it _is_ a problem in mate-terminal's packaging, as Sven pointed out) and live with it... I wonder where Debian would be today if everyone treated minor bugs like you do. Indeed, I could just dpkg-divert the desktop file to hide it on the machines I install (that's probably what I'll do if the fix doesn't reach Jessie before the release), but as The Wanderer said, understanding why apt reacts like that was much more interesting, and reporting this kind of minor bugs in packaging, in addition to saving me a little bit of work on future installations, allows to fix the problem not only for Debian, but for all of its downstreams as well (Ubuntu, Mint, Crunchbang, etc etc). Just admit that you didn't really understand the question, and gave a useless and almost rude answer. These things happen, it's no big deal. -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On 12/30/2014 5:37 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 29 dec 14, 22:06:55, Jerry Stuckle wrote: No, from what I've seen, the default is to do preventative fscks, depending on the number of boots (and time? I'm not sure). Could you please show us where you've seen this? For the record, again, from the e2fsprogs changelog: Multiple times in on this mailing list. e2fsprogs (1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1) unstable; urgency=low ... * Mke2fs will now create file systems that enable user namespace extended attributes and with time- and mount count-based file system checks disabled. ... -- Theodore Y. Ts'o ty...@mit.edu Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:38:57 -0400 Of course, if you have filesystems created with earlier e2fsprogs you'll still have the periodic checks enabled, but they are easy to disable with tune2fs. Kind regards, Andrei This is the first time I've seen this fix. I've seen other means of using tune2fs, such as setting to a high number and resetting the count on each reboot. But I hadn't seen that it could be disabled this way. This fixes my immediate problem. But as I've said before - there are other reasons my clients don't like the way Debian is going, and the decision has already been made to look at another distro. And I have to be developing on the same distros they are using. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2b241.5030...@gmail.com
Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I should also add - that's why they are looking at other distros now. They are planning to stay on Wheezy as long as possible. It will probably take two years for them to get another distro ready for production. If switching to systemd is their main concern, then they can just stay with SysV for jessie. They should probably also consider contributing developer time (or your time) to the continued support of SysV in jessie+1 (and beyond.) If they want to stick with wheezy for other reasons, they should help make squeeze LTS a success so people are more likely to also contribute to wheezy LTS when it is inevitably EOLed by the stable security team. If it's something else that bothers them, the way to influence Debian is to do the work. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Cheop's Law: Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p242 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230144546.gb11...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: wifi connection tool?
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Lu, 29 dec 14, 15:58:06, Vincent Lefevre wrote: This is for Network Manager (which I'm not using since it handles the full network configuration, but I already have my own for Ethernet, and I don't want it to be broken). If I'm not mistaken it can be configured to not handle connections already handled by ifupdown. Network devices which are configured in /etc/network/interfaces will typically be managed by ifupdown. Such devices will by default be marked as unmanaged in NetworkManager. From /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian I used to run a configuration like that, so I can confirm that this works indeed. (For completeness' sake: I used to have the static network config of my workstation configured on the box itself, until I decided that it would be a lot simpler to just set up a static association on my DHCP server and just let NM handle all the network issues on my clients) Mart -- We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes. --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8661ctjh08@gaheris.avalon.lan
Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On 12/30/2014 at 09:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I should also add - that's why they are looking at other distros now. They are planning to stay on Wheezy as long as possible. It will probably take two years for them to get another distro ready for production. If switching to systemd is their main concern, then they can just stay with SysV for jessie. They should probably also consider contributing developer time (or your time) to the continued support of SysV in jessie+1 (and beyond.) Take care about what configuration to use in sticking with sysvinit in jessie, though. I run two main Debian systems; on one of them I've installed sysvinit-core+systemd-shim and removed systemd-the-package (and all reverse dependencies, of course), and on the other I've installed sysvinit-core+systemd-shim and left libpam-systemd (and all dependencies) in place - and I have seen behavior changes in at least the latter case. (I think I've seen some changes in both cases, but I've changed the installed-package configuration on the former machine since then, so I can't swear those changes are still present.) Just yesterday, I rebooted the computer with libpam-systemd present (and thus systemd-logind active) for the first time since the switch, and I've already noted two particular behavior changes which I find bothersome: * When I launch X from tty1 with 'startx', it now appears to run on tty1 itself instead of on the more traditional tty7 - which has the practical effect that it's no longer possible to kill X by shifting to tty1 and hitting Ctrl-C, which is an emergency break-out measure I've found necessary or at least convenient in the past. There are probably ways to reconfigure things to prevent this behavior change (I think I've seen such mentioned here on-list in the past), but that is the behavior which seems to result from the default configuration. * When I boot to the text console to log in, there are messages from logind printed prior to login which clutter the console (and step all over the actual login prompt), and more printed after hitting Enter on the password prompt to actually log in. If there are ways to prevent this behavior change without muting potentially-desirable (new) logging activity entirely, I'm not aware of them. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
On 30/12/14 06:45 AM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 30/12/2014 06:04, Gary Dale a écrit : On 29/12/14 11:59 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 12/29/2014 at 11:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 29/12/14 04:27 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit : Apparently not. Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot ! Given that most packages are trivially small compared with disk space and memory these days, especially on gaming computers, the question itself is almost pointless. Just pull in the dependency and forget about it. It's far from pointless if you're wanting to try to _understand_ what's going on and why, which is an eminently reasonable goal and one which should be encouraged rather than treated dismissively. I read it as a complaint, not a question. He didn't ask why didn't it, just shouldn't it. He didn't say it created any problems with his desktop environment, just frustration that he needed two xterms. 1/ Remember that not all people speak English as their native language. 2/ Although it was indeed a question and not a complaint, I'm trying to build a desktop for non-computer-literate people, used to simple layouts like stock MacOSX, so yeah, having two terminals in the menu _is_ a problem for the goal I'm trying to reach. 3/ Following your logic, I just should have forgotten about the problem (because it _is_ a problem in mate-terminal's packaging, as Sven pointed out) and live with it... I wonder where Debian would be today if everyone treated minor bugs like you do. Indeed, I could just dpkg-divert the desktop file to hide it on the machines I install (that's probably what I'll do if the fix doesn't reach Jessie before the release), but as The Wanderer said, understanding why apt reacts like that was much more interesting, and reporting this kind of minor bugs in packaging, in addition to saving me a little bit of work on future installations, allows to fix the problem not only for Debian, but for all of its downstreams as well (Ubuntu, Mint, Crunchbang, etc etc). Just admit that you didn't really understand the question, and gave a useless and almost rude answer. These things happen, it's no big deal. Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would seem that your real concern is having two terminals on the menu. However, did you actually test that it would happen? Would installing the multiarch version give you two xterms or would the last one installed overwrite the first? Could you simply remove the second menu item if one did in fact show up? Did you try removing the mate version of xterm before installing the one steam prefers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2d198.6000...@torfree.net
ALSA does not work on baytrail tablet.
Hi, I have installed debian 7.7 on an 8 tablet (CHUWI VX8 3G) baytrail atom z3735g). I'm using kernel 3.10.20 from original android installation. I also tested upstream 3.19.0-rc1 with same results. Below all info: dmesg (relevant lines) snd_intel_sst: INFO: SST DRIVER loading.. Ver: 3.0.8 snd_byt_bl_rt5642: Baytrail Machine Driver byt_rt5642 registerd byt_rt5642 AMCR0F28:00: snd-soc-dummy-dai - ssp-bt-cpu-dai mapping ok byt_rt5642 AMCR0F28:00: snd-soc-dummy-dai - ssp-modem-cpu-dai mapping ok snd_byt_bl_rt5642: snd_byt_mc_probe successful cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [baytrailaudio ]: baytrailaudio - baytrailaudio baytrailaudio 1 [IntelHDMI ]: IntelHDMI - IntelHDMI ll /dev/snd/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Dec 30 15:56 by-path crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 6 Dec 30 15:56 comprC0D2 crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 12 Dec 30 15:56 controlC0 crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 14 Dec 30 15:56 controlC1 crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 11 Dec 30 15:56 hwC0D0 crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 10 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D0c crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 9 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D0p crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 8 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D1c crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 7 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D1p crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 5 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D3c crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 4 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D3p crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 3 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D4c crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 2 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC0D4p crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 13 Dec 30 15:56 pcmC1D0p crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 1 Dec 30 15:56 seq crw-rw---T+ 1 root audio 116, 33 Dec 30 15:56 timer I copied firmware from android /system/etc/firmware to /lib/firmware/3.10.30 fw_sst_0f28.bin aac_dec_0f28.bin mp3_dec_0f28.bin first test: alsa.conf android aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 0: Audio rt5640-aif1-0 [] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 1: Voice rt5640-aif2-1 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 3: BYT_BTSCO snd-soc-dummy-dai-3 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 4: BYT_MODEM_MIXING snd-soc-dummy-dai-4 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: IntelHDMI [IntelHDMI], device 0: IntelHDMI [IntelHDMI] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 mplayer -novideo -v -af resample=48000 -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 film.avi ... uilding audio filter chain for 44100Hz/2ch/s16le - 0Hz/0ch/??... [libaf] Adding filter resample [resample] Changing sample rate to 48000Hz [resample] Using integer processing and inexact frequecy conversion. [resample] New filter designed up: 160 down: 147 [resample] Using integer processing and inexact frequecy conversion. Trying preferred audio driver 'alsa', options 'device=hw=0.0' alsa-init: requested format: 48000 Hz, 2 channels, 9 alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.25 alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s) alsa-init: using device hw:0,0 alsa-init: pcm opened in blocking mode alsa-init: got buffersize=96000 alsa-init: got period size 1500 alsa: 48000 Hz/2 channels/4 bpf/96000 bytes buffer/Signed 16 bit Little Endian AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) AO: Description: ALSA-0.9.x-1.x audio output AO: Author: Alex Beregszaszi, Zsolt Barat j...@streamminister.de AO: Comment: under development Building audio filter chain for 44100Hz/2ch/s16le - 48000Hz/2ch/s16le... [resample] Using integer processing and inexact frequecy conversion. [resample] Using integer processing and inexact frequecy conversion. Video: no video Freeing 0 unused video chunks. Starting playback... [libaf] Reallocating memory in module resample, old len = 0, new len = 98225 Increasing filtered audio buffer size from 0 to 98224 A: 0.0 (00.0) of 448.0 (07:28.0) 6.9% (stops at 0.0 no sound, I must use ctrl-c to terminate mplayer) dmesg: snd_intel_sst: runtime_resume called snd_intel_sst: FW Version 02.08.0a.05 snd_intel_sst: Build date Feb 18 2014 Time 10:11:36 snd_intel_sst: runtime_idle called alsamixer cannot load mixer controls: Inappropriate ioctl for device second test: with alsa.conf minimal config aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 0: 1 [] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 1: Voice rt5640-aif2-1 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 3: BYT_BTSCO snd-soc-dummy-dai-3 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: baytrailaudio [baytrailaudio], device 4: BYT_MODEM_MIXING snd-soc-dummy-dai-4 [] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: IntelHDMI [IntelHDMI], device 0: IntelHDMI [IntelHDMI] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 mplayer -novideo -v -af
Re: New Kernel but there is no screen... :(
On 2014-12-30, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: The problem is, that we do still not know, what the real reason is for the malfunction. He might want to look in the log for errors, if that detail hasn't already been mentioned (/var/log/Xorg.0.log). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnma5lii.36v.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Speed up a WiFI interface ??
Hello, For a friend i setup a small RAID-1 config using Wheezy on one of his old machines, just to backup his most important stuff. Unfortunately the location where the box is placed can not be reached via cable because of building conditions, so only Wireless is possible. I have installed package firmware-ralink for the network card and these modules are loaded after reboot: rt2800pci rt2800lib rt2x00pci After using wpa_passphrase and adding wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces all works so far, the client get´s an ip from the dhcp server, can copy stuff and so on. The Problem is that it´s extremely slow. The WLAN-Router is setup to support 11bgn mixed mode, channel bandwith audo and max transfer rate 150Mbit/s. But when i check the client side with iwconfig i get this: wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:My friends SSID Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point:MAC-Adress Bit Rate=58.5 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality=45/70 Signal level=-65 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:5788 Invalid misc:58 Missed beacon:0 The wlan-card is supposed to support 150Mbit/s as well. I have tested and position the box right next to the wlan-Router but this doesn´t help much except the Link Quality is then 70/70. I have used iptraf to check for the data rates and the overall input rate for this interface is about 5,8 Mbit/s which is not even 5% of the max (theoretical) speed. I know that the max speed of a WLAN is never reached but 5,8 Mbit/s overall speed seems very slow to me - no? Anything i can do to speed this up? Thanks, BF. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2eb7b.9020...@a1.net
Re: multiple versions of python
Thanks. Are you recommending virtualenv from experience having used it, or from heresay? I would want to know what possible pitfalls and gotchas there might be. Specifically, the description for the package says that it creates ... virtual Python instances, each invokable with its own Python executable. Each instance can have different sets of modules..., but I'm not looking for running two instances with individual custom modules or libraries - I think I'm looking at having two ENTIRE python tool-chains (v2.7 v2.6). So, I would be asking virtualenv, a python2.7 package itself, to be running an entire python2.6 instance. Would that be in the scope of solution you've suggested? On 12/29/2014 04:30 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: On 12/29/2014 09:17 PM, Boruch Baum wrote: Hello everyone, I'm preparing two bug reports, and in trying to sort one of them out, it seems that it may be linked to an incompatibility of a script with python2.7 (see bug #659831). So, in test that possibility, what I would like to do is install some other version of python (I see 2.5 and 2.6 in the repositories), in order to see whether the package works with another version. My questions revolve around how time-consuming and worthwhile this exercise will be: 1] Can I have multiple versions of python simultaneously? 2] Is there a way to specify that one package use a non-default version of python? (I don't want to set an old version of python as default, if that risks having other packages, depending on 2.7, break). 3] Is this a quick, straightforward install? Or is it going to be something like an emacs install, with all kinds of time-consuming, interminable local compilations and configurations? Please respond to me directly, and on list. Thanks. It sounds like you need virtualenv: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv Regards, Alex -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Speed up a WiFI interface ??
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 13:14:19 Bernhard Frühmesser wrote: Hello, For a friend i setup a small RAID-1 config using Wheezy on one of his old machines, just to backup his most important stuff. Unfortunately the location where the box is placed can not be reached via cable because of building conditions, so only Wireless is possible. I have installed package firmware-ralink for the network card and these modules are loaded after reboot: rt2800pci rt2800lib rt2x00pci After using wpa_passphrase and adding wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces all works so far, the client get´s an ip from the dhcp server, can copy stuff and so on. The Problem is that it´s extremely slow. The WLAN-Router is setup to support 11bgn mixed mode, channel bandwith audo and max transfer rate 150Mbit/s. But when i check the client side with iwconfig i get this: wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:My friends SSID Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point:MAC-Adress Bit Rate=58.5 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality=45/70 Signal level=-65 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:5788 Invalid misc:58 Missed beacon:0 The wlan-card is supposed to support 150Mbit/s as well. I have tested and position the box right next to the wlan-Router but this doesn´t help much except the Link Quality is then 70/70. I have used iptraf to check for the data rates and the overall input rate for this interface is about 5,8 Mbit/s which is not even 5% of the max (theoretical) speed. I know that the max speed of a WLAN is never reached but 5,8 Mbit/s overall speed seems very slow to me - no? Anything i can do to speed this up? Thanks, BF. Just because the card will support 150Mbit/s does not mean the system will. The computer has other things to do besides see to the network, and the router has other connections to service and the system on the other side has other things to do too. It all adds up. -- Mike McGinn KD2CNU Be happy that brainfarts don't smell. No electrons were harmed in sending this message, some were inconvenienced. ** Registered Linux User 377849
Re: Speed up a WiFI interface ??
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 07:14:19PM +0100, Bernhard Frühmesser wrote: Hello, For a friend i setup a small RAID-1 config using Wheezy on one of his old machines, just to backup his most important stuff. Unfortunately the location where the box is placed can not be reached via cable because of building conditions, so only Wireless is possible. I have installed package firmware-ralink for the network card and these modules are loaded after reboot: rt2800pci rt2800lib rt2x00pci After using wpa_passphrase and adding wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces all works so far, the client get´s an ip from the dhcp server, can copy stuff and so on. The Problem is that it´s extremely slow. The WLAN-Router is setup to support 11bgn mixed mode, channel bandwith audo and max transfer rate 150Mbit/s. But when i check the client side with iwconfig i get this: wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:My friends SSID Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point:MAC-Adress Bit Rate=58.5 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality=45/70 Signal level=-65 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:5788 Invalid misc:58 Missed beacon:0 The wlan-card is supposed to support 150Mbit/s as well. I have tested and position the box right next to the wlan-Router but this doesn´t help much except the Link Quality is then 70/70. I have used iptraf to check for the data rates and the overall input rate for this interface is about 5,8 Mbit/s which is not even 5% of the max (theoretical) speed. I know that the max speed of a WLAN is never reached but 5,8 Mbit/s overall speed seems very slow to me - no? Anything i can do to speed this up? Thanks, BF. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2eb7b.9020...@a1.net Megabits are not the same as megabytes. Eight bits in byte + start/stop and overheads. 150Mb is probably closer to 150/10MB - so 150Mb = 15MB in ideal conditions without any loss. Add in radio noisy environments / other interference and you can soon lose speed :( All the best, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230183632.ga2...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: wifi connection tool?
On 12/30/2014 07:26 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Lu, 29 dec 14, 15:58:06, Vincent Lefevre wrote: This is for Network Manager (which I'm not using since it handles the full network configuration, but I already have my own for Ethernet, and I don't want it to be broken). If I'm not mistaken it can be configured to not handle connections already handled by ifupdown. Network devices which are configured in /etc/network/interfaces will typically be managed by ifupdown. Such devices will by default be marked as unmanaged in NetworkManager. From /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian I used to run a configuration like that, so I can confirm that this works indeed. (For completeness' sake: I used to have the static network config of my workstation configured on the box itself, until I decided that it would be a lot simpler to just set up a static association on my DHCP server and just let NM handle all the network issues on my clients) Mart In addition, if you'd like to manually tell n-m to not manage interfaces, you can add a section like this to your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf: [keyfile] unmanaged-devices=mac:01:02:03:04:05:06;mac:00:11:22:33:44:55 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a2f7fe.4010...@mattventura.net
Re: Help me run an old Windows game. PlayOnLinux? Wine?
* Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com [2014-12-29 14:58 -0800]: I have an image of the old Windows 98 Entertainment Pack floppy. I'd like to run one of the games that's on it, TIC.EXE. It's not in PlayOnLinux's list of applications or games, and I'm completely new to trying this. I could use help, advice, warnings or pointers to a better place to get help. $ apt-cache show dosemu Elimar -- Alles was viel bedacht wird ist bedenklich!;-) Friedrich Nietzsche -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230191641.gd2...@galadriel.home.lxtec.de
Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On 12/30/2014 9:45 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I should also add - that's why they are looking at other distros now. They are planning to stay on Wheezy as long as possible. It will probably take two years for them to get another distro ready for production. If switching to systemd is their main concern, then they can just stay with SysV for jessie. They should probably also consider contributing developer time (or your time) to the continued support of SysV in jessie+1 (and beyond.) If they want to stick with wheezy for other reasons, they should help make squeeze LTS a success so people are more likely to also contribute to wheezy LTS when it is inevitably EOLed by the stable security team. If it's something else that bothers them, the way to influence Debian is to do the work. Don, that's a good, but impractical idea. The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. And they are concerned enough with the way Debian is moving to make the investment in switching. Better to do it now, when they have time, than later when they find out they have to switch quickly. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a30351.4040...@gmail.com
Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. Pretty much everyone who is serious about using Debian in production does this. If they (or anyone else) is interested in doing this, there are numerous people who could be hired straight off of the consultants list. If they (or anyone else) is having a hard time finding contributors to fund, contact lea...@debian.org. And they are concerned enough with the way Debian is moving to make the investment in switching. Better to do it now, when they have time, than later when they find out they have to switch quickly. If they have already decided to switch, then they should start contributing to whatever distribution they're going to switch to. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com unbeingdead isn't beingalive -- e.e. cummings 31 _73 Poems_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141230224936.gb29...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 30/12/2014 17:23, Gary Dale a écrit : Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would Then again, not everybody is born in an english-speaking country. seem that your real concern is having two terminals on the menu. It is _one_ of my concerns. The other one being apt not resolving these dependencies the way I expected it to. Unlike you, Sven understood the question immediately and unlike you, he gave an appropriate answer. I filed a bug report against mate-terminal. Problem solved. However, did you actually test that it would happen? Would installing the multiarch version give you two xterms or would the last one installed overwrite the first? Could you simply remove the second menu item if one did in fact show up? Did you try removing the mate version of xterm before installing the one steam prefers? What does it have to do with my initial question about dependencies resolving ? Stop trying to justify yourself and just admit you were gratuitously rude to someone you mistook for a newbie. -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 23:47:18 Raphaël Halimi wrote: Stop trying to justify yourself Pot and kettle??? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412310003.38454.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. I have to admit, this is a thought that has been on my mind lately. Pretty much everyone who is serious about using Debian in production does this. Unfortunately, I don't think that's exactly true, for some defintions of serious. Lots of companies think they are serious about using Linux, but not feeding their profits back upstream. On the contrary, they tend to be trying to use the (imaginary, but much touted) cost differential as a competitive wedge, pushing down their profits and squeezing the market. Killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Not facing up to the freedom vs. zero (initial) cost dillemma. Not really serious even though they are seriously thinking they are serious. (Yeah, I'm sort of looking at myself in the mirror, as an individual. I don't contribute as much as I should because it has been too easy to get distracted, playing with all the zero initial cost stuff.) If they (or anyone else) is interested in doing this, there are numerous people who could be hired straight off of the consultants list. If they (or anyone else) is having a hard time finding contributors to fund, contact lea...@debian.org. And they are concerned enough with the way Debian is moving to make the investment in switching. Better to do it now, when they have time, than later when they find out they have to switch quickly. If they have already decided to switch, then they should start contributing to whatever distribution they're going to switch to. And I'm thinking that, if more of the people who think they are serious about FOSS had been taking the duties of freedom more seriously, the systemd debacle might have been avoided. (By making more work generalizing the several init approaches publically available, and by making the inits more interchangeable, more manageable by people who don't have time to learn shell scripting -- although managers scared of learning programming languages is yet another manifestation of the problem.) I'm moving to openbsd partly to make sure I start contributing. (Also because I see too many devs in the debian community who either don't want to learn programming or whose ideas about programming are diametrically opposed to what I think is my experience.) -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iP0EDsyHXVN2LGKQvbW+wv7Gjw_DtzkD8MU0O=4vb3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. Pretty much everyone who is serious about using Debian in production does this. That's a great idea. Who's going to pay these people - you? My clients are not IT folks. They don't need Debian per say - they DO need Linux. And, like all companies, they have a limited budget for software implementations. If they (or anyone else) is interested in doing this, there are numerous people who could be hired straight off of the consultants list. If they (or anyone else) is having a hard time finding contributors to fund, contact lea...@debian.org. And you're going to pay those consultants, right? And they are concerned enough with the way Debian is moving to make the investment in switching. Better to do it now, when they have time, than later when they find out they have to switch quickly. If they have already decided to switch, then they should start contributing to whatever distribution they're going to switch to. And you're going to pay for these consultants? Again - these companies are not NOT IT companies. They are manufacturers of equipment. Right now, Debian just happens to be the distribution they are using. Yes, they have a couple of people familiar with Linux administration, but that's about it. And these administering Linux is only a very small part of their job. That's why they hire people like me to write specific device drivers and other software. But they are not going to spend money hiring consultants to work on the OS. They could use pretty much any distro. They liked Debian because of its stability. But they don't NEED Debian. If they wanted to spend lots of time trying to maintain the OS, they would have gone to slackware. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a357df.6030...@gmail.com
Re: multiple versions of python
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:00:05 AM UTC+5:30, Boruch Baum wrote: Thanks. Are you recommending virtualenv from experience having used it, or from heresay? no-experience In general there is a spectrum for resources In decreasing order of weight 1. Buy a new machine 2. Use a VM 3. Use docker 4. Use virtualenv You may find 3 suitable: https://www.docker.com/ There are probably more points in the spectrum between 2 and 3 [chroot jails??] /no-experience -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cb1733f5-0a9c-4320-a086-7cc669821...@googlegroups.com
Fwd: Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. Pretty much everyone who is serious about using Debian in production does this. That's a great idea. Who's going to pay these people - you? They apparently pay you. Who pays the hardware people who design the boards/etc? My clients are not IT folks. They don't need Debian per say - they DO need Linux. And, like all companies, they have a limited budget for software implementations. Fair enough, but then if it is critical to their business, they will have to pay. ... Again - these companies are not NOT IT companies. They are manufacturers of equipment. Right now, Debian just happens to be the But now adays, software it the largest part of an equipment business. To say they do not have software people is to say they do not have a business. distribution they are using. Yes, they have a couple of people familiar with Linux administration, but that's about it. And these administering Linux is only a very small part of their job. That's why they hire people like me to write specific device drivers and other software. But they are not going to spend money hiring consultants to work on the OS. But they need to adapt the software for their use. That is a critical part of their business. In fact it is the part that sets them apart from all their competitors. Hardware is easy these days. They could use pretty much any distro. They liked Debian because of its stability. But they don't NEED Debian. If they wanted to spend lots of time trying to maintain the OS, they would have gone to slackware. Whether Debian is the best choice for them is of course something they will have to decide. It is modular, stable, conservative, old fashioned,... ??? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141231030747.c153710f...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca
Re: Fwd: Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On 12/30/2014 10:07 PM, William Unruh wrote: On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or interested) in spending their life working on Linux. If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. Pretty much everyone who is serious about using Debian in production does this. That's a great idea. Who's going to pay these people - you? They apparently pay you. Who pays the hardware people who design the boards/etc? Yes, they pay me because the device drivers are custom (and proprietary). Nothing exists in public or other private hands. And they have EE's who design the electronics. But that is a different division. You seem to think money is unending. It isn't, believe me. They have budgets, and must stay within them. There is no money available to hire consultants to maintain a distro. Of course, there's another option (and only one other one). The company could go out of business. Then the problem would go away. My clients are not IT folks. They don't need Debian per say - they DO need Linux. And, like all companies, they have a limited budget for software implementations. Fair enough, but then if it is critical to their business, they will have to pay. You don't get it, do you. THERE IS NO MONEY TO PAY! ... Again - these companies are not NOT IT companies. They are manufacturers of equipment. Right now, Debian just happens to be the But now adays, software it the largest part of an equipment business. To say they do not have software people is to say they do not have a business. Maybe YOUR businesses. Not all, by any means. And in these companies, software is only a very SMALL part of their business. Even the electronics is a small part of the business. The money is in the equipment being controlled. distribution they are using. Yes, they have a couple of people familiar with Linux administration, but that's about it. And these administering Linux is only a very small part of their job. That's why they hire people like me to write specific device drivers and other software. But they are not going to spend money hiring consultants to work on the OS. But they need to adapt the software for their use. That is a critical part of their business. In fact it is the part that sets them apart from all their competitors. Hardware is easy these days. Electronic hardware is easy. But that isn't these company's business. That what you guys don't understand. Consider an automobile. It has a computer to control the car. But that computer is maybe a $500 part in a $35K machine. Sure, new cars NEED that computer. But it is one of the least important parts of the car. The engine, body, interior, handling and a couple of dozen other things are much more important to the buyer. And that's where the money goes. The computer is the minimum necessary to do the job. Although my clients are not automobile manufacturers, the comparison applies. They could use pretty much any distro. They liked Debian because of its stability. But they don't NEED Debian. If they wanted to spend lots of time trying to maintain the OS, they would have gone to slackware. Whether Debian is the best choice for them is of course something they will have to decide. It is modular, stable, conservative, old fashioned,... ??? And its continued stability is seriously being questions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a372f9.4060...@gmail.com
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
On 30/12/14 06:47 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 30/12/2014 17:23, Gary Dale a écrit : Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would Then again, not everybody is born in an english-speaking country. seem that your real concern is having two terminals on the menu. It is _one_ of my concerns. The other one being apt not resolving these dependencies the way I expected it to. Unlike you, Sven understood the question immediately and unlike you, he gave an appropriate answer. I filed a bug report against mate-terminal. Problem solved. However, did you actually test that it would happen? Would installing the multiarch version give you two xterms or would the last one installed overwrite the first? Could you simply remove the second menu item if one did in fact show up? Did you try removing the mate version of xterm before installing the one steam prefers? What does it have to do with my initial question about dependencies resolving ? Stop trying to justify yourself and just admit you were gratuitously rude to someone you mistook for a newbie. There is an old saying that it is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness. If you want to report a bug, report it. If you want a solution to a problem, ask for help. I'd like to find out what happens if you try the solutions that I have suggested. I've got multiple terminals on my setup and it's never bothered me. I use the one I like most. That's a nice thing about Linux. But you apparently feel differently. That's also your choice. Has your bug report been addressed yet? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a388b7.5070...@torfree.net
Jumbo frame Debian Wheezy.
i am trying to enable jumbo frame on Debian wheezy however nothing works. i ran a command ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 and receive invalid argument then i edit /etc/network/interfaces and added mtu 9000 when i ifdown and ifup eth0 it shows the same error invalid argument Please help. Thanks, Yousuf
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
On 12/31/2014 12:25 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 30/12/14 06:47 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 30/12/2014 17:23, Gary Dale a écrit : Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would Then again, not everybody is born in an english-speaking country. seem that your real concern is having two terminals on the menu. It is _one_ of my concerns. The other one being apt not resolving these dependencies the way I expected it to. Unlike you, Sven understood the question immediately and unlike you, he gave an appropriate answer. I filed a bug report against mate-terminal. Problem solved. However, did you actually test that it would happen? Would installing the multiarch version give you two xterms or would the last one installed overwrite the first? Could you simply remove the second menu item if one did in fact show up? Did you try removing the mate version of xterm before installing the one steam prefers? What does it have to do with my initial question about dependencies resolving ? Stop trying to justify yourself and just admit you were gratuitously rude to someone you mistook for a newbie. There is an old saying that it is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness. If you want to report a bug, report it. If you want a solution to a problem, ask for help. I'd like to find out what happens if you try the solutions that I have suggested. I've got multiple terminals on my setup and it's never bothered me. I use the one I like most. That's a nice thing about Linux. But you apparently feel differently. That's also your choice. Has your bug report been addressed yet? I thought that was a feature, where you can just download all the things for free. You all made me look. I have installed: Gnome Term 1155k XFCE Term 1559k Xterm 1750k For what I pay the packagers, I can live with it. I think the points Dale raised were not disrespectful in any way. Maybe multiarch pulled in a 32bit xterm? That is quite possible. You would need one ya know, running 32bit apps one of them, like steam, would probably demand it. Just checked, steam does. But you already knew that. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Linux _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly or idiot-friendly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54a397eb.3040...@gmail.com
Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX
On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:25:37 -0500 Brian Sammon debian-users-l...@brisammon.fastmail.fm wrote: I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped. ... Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve buying or borrowing (or borrowing) a copy of OSX? Is it easier to install linux on a USB disk and run it off of that? As a followup, I got Linux installed on it, but not (quite) Debian. I burned a CD of the Ubuntu Trusty +mac image. It booted and installed Linux and Grub successfully on the first try. Some things I noticed: It used version 2.02 of grub, which is newer than that used in the Wheezy I tried. The Ubuntu installer (somewhat strongly) encouraged me to create a Reserved BIOS boot area partition. I followed that advice. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most/all of the features that helped with Trusty are also found in Jessie. Now that I have a bootloader installed, I think I'll have more success installing Debian on it. Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX: 1) Blessing a partition Recent versions of GRUB come with a grub_macbless command, but I haven't tested it. 2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS compatibility) The Boot CD for rEFInd (http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/) reported a firmware version number, but it was a very different format from the firmware versions on Apple's site. For upgrading firmware without MacOSX, the Firmware Restoration CD might be the thing: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201518 This was apparently moot for my Mac Mini, as Apple's website doesn't list any available firmware updates for my model. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141231015651.72f2464fa218ef8963808...@brisammon.fastmail.fm
