Re: free cloud

[Bob Bernstein]

On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:31:17AM +0200, deloptes wrote:

> I agree - everything comes at a price. There are multiple 
> issues like NSA, privacy, security and availability of mails 
> and other data, but everything has its cost.

I looked at this post too quickly and thought I saw the phrase 
"NSA privacy." You can understand my shock and surprise.

There is no such thing, not even, I wager, for citizens of 
Sweden. There is no privacy at all left. DHS agents now carry as 
standard equipment govt issue thumb screws. Their Scandinavian 
colleagues may not have that tool on their persons, but they 
know which side of their bread is buttered; it's just one big 
we-have-all-your-data-already club.

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Re: free cloud

[deloptes]

Petter Adsen wrote:

> are located in Sweden, and thus covered by European data protection
> laws.

This must be a joke - since when Sweden is protecting any rights of the
people? Do you follow up what is going on there?
We have equipment in Germany, but looking now for options to do it in
Austria and/or Switzerland.

regards


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Re: Architecture independent package

[spp mg]

ok, I can run hime now. but big problem.

This is what I did .
1. apt-get download
2. dpkg -i
3. dpkg --configure --force-all

apt-get download hime:i386 hime-data
dpkg -i hime_0.9.10-5_i386.deb --ignore-depends=hime-data
<--ignore-depends option look like no effect.
apt-get -f install  <- installed some depends
dpkg -i hime-data_0.9.10-5_all.deb
aptitude -f install hime-qt4-immodule:i386 hime-chewing:i386 <--- can't
install , but i know which package in depend.

apt-get download hime-chewing:i386 hime-qt4-immodule:i386 libchewing3:i386
libchewing3-data
dpkg -i hime-chewing_0.9.10-5_i386.deb hime-qt4-immodule_0.9.10-5_i386.deb
libchewing3_0.4.0-2_i386.deb libchewing3-data_0.4.0-2_all.deb
dpkg --configure --force-all hime hime-chewing  hime-qt4-immodule

--
now I can use hime in skype also. but apt have porblem :
It want remove hime:i386 all time because no hime-data:i386.
So I can't install another package .

And I guess system has another problem, Because when I login with
hime:amd64 , I don't need set ~/.xinitrc ( I use Enlightenment ). But now I
must set it, hime can't automatic set it. ( Maybe in
/etc/alternatives/xinput-zh_TW )

2015-04-10 0:57 GMT+08:00 spp mg :

> Thanks your reply.
>
> I know "architecture-independent means this package contains only files
> which are readable on any arch."
>
> But apt disallow install.
>
> $ apt-cache depends hime:i386
> hime:i386
>   Depends: libc6:i386
>   Depends: libcairo2:i386
>   Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:i386
>   Depends: libglib2.0-0:i386
>   Depends: libgtk2.0-0:i386
>   Depends: libpango-1.0-0:i386
>   Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386
>   Depends: libx11-6:i386
>   Depends: libxtst6:i386
>   Depends:   <-- unavailable
>   Depends: hime-tables:i386
>   Suggests: hime-anthy:i386
>   Suggests: hime-chewing:i386
>   Suggests: hime-qt4-immodule:i386
>  |Recommends:   <-- unavailable
>   Recommends:   <-- unavailable
>   Recommends: hime-gtk3-immodule:i386
>   Conflicts: hime
>
> The  is show "unavailable" in aptitude.
>
> And when I use # aptitude install hime:i386
> It will display :
> "Depends: hime-data:i386 which is a virtual package."
>
> I tried follow this page :
>
> http://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies
> But the problem is depend on hime-data:i386 , not depend on hime-data.
> So I don't know how to ignore it..
>
> I think it's a apt bug . what do you think ?
> And , any ideal for solve ?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> 2015-04-09 20:34 GMT+08:00 Darac Marjal :
>
>> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 07:57:43PM +0800, sppmg wrote:
>> > Hi all
>> > I want type Chinese in skype in Debian (testing) amd64, so I need this
>> > package :
>> >
>> > "hime"
>> > (skype need "hime-qt4-immodule:i386" , I google to get this .)
>> >
>> > It's will depend "hime-data:i386". But  hime-data is architecture
>> > independent package, there is no ":i386" .
>> > How can i solve this ?
>>
>> According to packages.debian.org, hime-qt4-immodule (0.9.10-5) depends
>> on hime (>= 0.9.10.5), which depends on hime-data.
>>
>> Note that neither of those dependencies specifies an architecture. This
>> means that any compatible architecture can provide a solution. hime-data
>> is marked as "arch:all", which means that it can be installed on all
>> architectures (it is architecture independant).
>>
>> Therefore, hime-data (arch:all) will satisfy the requirement for
>> hime-data to an i386 package as well as an amd64 package and so on.
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
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>
>

Re: Book questions

[Bret Busby]

On 09/04/2015, Petter Adsen  wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 23:00:46 +1000
> Alexis  wrote:
>
>>
>> Petter Adsen  writes:
>>
>> > For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular
>> > expressions, and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular
>> > Expressions" and "Sed & awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone
>> > have any experience with these, and an opinion as to which I
>> > should start with?
>>
>> i have the former, and highly recommend it. :-) i've not read the
>> latter, so can't comment on it.
>
> Thanks, I guess both are worth reading, as sed is something I
> definitely should be more familiar with.
>
>> > I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by
>> > Kernighan and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from
>> > O'Reilly. Since I want to learn C I know I need to read the
>> > first of these, but I was wondering how the other two are, if
>> > anyone here has read them.
>>
>> i have a copy of "The UNIX Programming Environment". i have in no
>> way read it cover-to-cover, but some comments i can make on it
>> are:
>>
>> * i feel it's useful for cultivating the classic Unix 'toolkit'
>>   mindset,
>>   where one connects various programs in various ways to produce
>>   certain results.
>
> Bonus point.
>
>> * Being published in 1984, it discusses "/the/ shell" instead of
>>   "a
>>   shell", and thus doesn't cover the differences between the
>>   various shells now available, e.g. bash vs. zsh vs. fish
>>   vs. dash etc.
>
> Well, that could be a good thing, as I could probably find good
> shell-specific documentation online later.
>
>> * The "Document Preparation" chapter feels somewhat esoteric given
>>   our
>>   current context of things like LaTeX, Pandoc, Scribus and so on.
>
> Yes, I just had a look at it, it seems it focuses on writing man
> pages. I have other books on LaTeX anyhow.
>
>> > Also, are there other books I might want to supplement these
>> > with?
>>
>> i guess it depends on what other specific areas you're interested
>> in  i have a copy of O'Reilly's tome "Unix Power Tools", and
>> still regularly find it very useful.
>
> I'm mostly interested in getting a good foundation in C programming,
> but generic UNIX tools/shell books that are good are always useful. I
> find learning is easier from an actual book than electronic text, but I
> must confess I haven't really tried reading books on my iThing. The K&R
> book was available, though, so I might buy that just to try it. I'll
> put "Unix Power Tools" on my shopping list - thanks :)
>

You have not stated the reason/use for your learning to program in "C".

Apart from the book "The C Programming Language", by Kernihan and
Ritchie, which, I believe, was used more as a reference book, than a
workbook, for learning "C", a book that has also been used, I believe,
as a university textbook for "C" programming courses, is, available
from amazon;

"
A Book on C: Programming in C (4th Edition) Paperback – January 8, 1998
by Al Kelley (Author), Ira Pohl (Author)
"

"
Product Details
Paperback: 726 pages
Publisher: Addison-Wesley Professional; 4 edition (January 8, 1998)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0201183994
ISBN-13: 978-0201183993
"

Although, it may have been an earlier edition that was used, when I
had encountered the reference to the Kelley and Pohl textbook.

I had learnt (a bit of) "C" programming, about 25-30 years ago, at a
technical college, and, whilst some courses in programming languages,
were taught over a half-year period, the "C" programming language was
taught at the technical college that I attended, over a year. It was
quite intensive, with pointers to pointers to pointers, and functions
returning pointers to functions, and pointers to functions being
passed and returned through functions, etc, and, from memory, in the
second half of the year, one of the assignments, was programming
curses. This was all before GUI's. I think that the lecture notes,
were far more valuable, than the (then) available textbooks.


-- 
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West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Architecture independent package

[spp mg]

Thanks your reply.

I know "architecture-independent means this package contains only files
which are readable on any arch."

But apt disallow install.

$ apt-cache depends hime:i386
hime:i386
  Depends: libc6:i386
  Depends: libcairo2:i386
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:i386
  Depends: libglib2.0-0:i386
  Depends: libgtk2.0-0:i386
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0:i386
  Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386
  Depends: libx11-6:i386
  Depends: libxtst6:i386
  Depends:   <-- unavailable
  Depends: hime-tables:i386
  Suggests: hime-anthy:i386
  Suggests: hime-chewing:i386
  Suggests: hime-qt4-immodule:i386
 |Recommends:   <-- unavailable
  Recommends:   <-- unavailable
  Recommends: hime-gtk3-immodule:i386
  Conflicts: hime

The  is show "unavailable" in aptitude.

And when I use # aptitude install hime:i386
It will display :
"Depends: hime-data:i386 which is a virtual package."

I tried follow this page :
http://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies
But the problem is depend on hime-data:i386 , not depend on hime-data.
So I don't know how to ignore it..

I think it's a apt bug . what do you think ?
And , any ideal for solve ?

Thanks.


2015-04-09 20:34 GMT+08:00 Darac Marjal :

> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 07:57:43PM +0800, sppmg wrote:
> > Hi all
> > I want type Chinese in skype in Debian (testing) amd64, so I need this
> > package :
> >
> > "hime"
> > (skype need "hime-qt4-immodule:i386" , I google to get this .)
> >
> > It's will depend "hime-data:i386". But  hime-data is architecture
> > independent package, there is no ":i386" .
> > How can i solve this ?
>
> According to packages.debian.org, hime-qt4-immodule (0.9.10-5) depends
> on hime (>= 0.9.10.5), which depends on hime-data.
>
> Note that neither of those dependencies specifies an architecture. This
> means that any compatible architecture can provide a solution. hime-data
> is marked as "arch:all", which means that it can be installed on all
> architectures (it is architecture independant).
>
> Therefore, hime-data (arch:all) will satisfy the requirement for
> hime-data to an i386 package as well as an amd64 package and so on.
>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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Re: Book questions

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 03:28:24PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:32:38 -0400
> Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> > 'man perlre' (perl regular expressions) is a good reference in
> > most cases; more so if you're actually using perl, of course.
> 
> It's been a long time since I used perl regularly, but it might come in
> handy as an online reference. Are perl regular expressions "compatible"
> with the ones used by grep/sed/awk, etc? I think I remember reading
> that there are differences between them?

There are differences between them; perl expands on the basic
regexp system in some interesting and useful ways. So useful,
in fact, that many packages implement perl regexps as a matter
of course via libpcre -- the Perl Compatible Regular Expression
library.

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Re: apt-offline usage

[francois]

On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 11:29:35AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: franc...@avalenn.eu
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:40:25 +0100
> > If I remember correctly but this is from memory from 3 or 4 years ago
> > it is possible to need two round-trip between networked and isolated
> > server :
> > 
> > isolated$ apt-offline set --update ...
> > networked$ apt-offline get ...
> > isolated$ apt-offline install
> > isolated$ apt-offline set --install $package ...
> > networked$ apt-offline get ...
> > isolated$ apt-offline install ...
> > isolated$ apt-get install $package
> 
> That installs $package with no difficulty.  Good!  Thanks!
> 
> My understanding is that "apt-offline install .bundle" 
> upgrades the cache of data needed for the upgrade but doesn't 
> perform the upgrade.  

apt-offline updates only the list of existing packages (cf. eg.
/var/lib/apt/lists) and the specific packages asked for with
"--install".

> "apt-get install " upgrades a specific package.
> To upgrade all packages available from the bundle I tried "apt-get install 
> *".  
> * is expanded to files and directories in the current directory. 
> Definitely not the intention. 
> 
> "apt-get upgrade" attempts to access network sources
> which also is not the intention.  How is an upgrade 
> from the local cache invoked?

apt-get upgrade probably tries to get the packages themselves which it
knows from the package list but which apt-offline did not take.

It seems apt-offline has a specific option for full upgrades.
>From the man page :

   --upgrade Generate APT Database signature for package upgrade. This  is
 the equivalent of using apt-get upgrade


So for upgrades potentially doing something like the following could
work :

 isolated$ apt-offline set --update ...
 networked$ apt-offline get ...
 isolated$ apt-offline install
 isolated$ apt-offline set --upgrade ...
 networked$ apt-offline get ...
 isolated$ apt-offline install ...
 isolated$ apt-get upgrade


F.


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Help filing bug report. Segfault in network-manager importing .ovpn files

[Lee Yates]

Hi,

I got this email from the Debian bugs page. I'm only testing Jessie in a 
VM while considering moving back from Arch Linux on an older desktop 
machine. I run Wheezy headless on my VPS but that's it. I came across a 
consistent bug in Jessie in (I believe) network-manager while importing 
.ovpn (VPN config) files.


In the MATE, XFCE and Cinnamon DEs if one installs 
network-manager-openvpn-gnome (and its dependencies including openvpn, 
network-manager-openvpn) and then tries to import a config file through 
the GUI, it segfaults and the GUI disappears every single time.



Apr  8 15:37:01 localhost kernel: [  838.015221] nm-connection-e[5613]: 
segfault at 1119140 ip 01119140 sp 7ffc20e619c8 error 15
Apr  8 16:10:21 localhost kernel: [ 2835.298354] nm-connection-e[6114]: 
segfault at e37990 ip 00e37990 sp 7ffc17743f38 error 15


Curiously if one does the same in Gnome3 it works perfectly. KDE is 
worst of all however, in that it reports the import successfully (rather 
than segfaulting) and even goes as far as confirming a successful 
connection to the VPN. However in reality no connection took place, the 
routing table is unchanged, and there is no tun interface. This could be 
very dangerous for vulnerable users in oppressive regimes who are 
relying on the GUI to tell them they're safe from snooping.


I don't know how to report this properly, but it seems too important to 
ignore and hope someone else finds. The only reported bug concerning 
this type of behaviour was filed and 'resolved' in 2013.


Please advise, I'm an intermediate GNU/Linux user but new to the Debian 
way and bug filing. I really want to help but don't know how to even 
begin. I no longer have a Jessie image installed (I needed it to work 
with OpenVPN through a GUI). Thanks. :)


Lee Yates


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Re: Book questions

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 23:00:46 +1000
Alexis  wrote:

> 
> Petter Adsen  writes:
> 
> > For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular 
> > expressions, and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular 
> > Expressions" and "Sed & awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone 
> > have any experience with these, and an opinion as to which I 
> > should start with?
> 
> i have the former, and highly recommend it. :-) i've not read the 
> latter, so can't comment on it.

Thanks, I guess both are worth reading, as sed is something I
definitely should be more familiar with.

> > I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by 
> > Kernighan and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from 
> > O'Reilly. Since I want to learn C I know I need to read the 
> > first of these, but I was wondering how the other two are, if 
> > anyone here has read them.
> 
> i have a copy of "The UNIX Programming Environment". i have in no 
> way read it cover-to-cover, but some comments i can make on it 
> are:
> 
> * i feel it's useful for cultivating the classic Unix 'toolkit' 
>   mindset, 
>   where one connects various programs in various ways to produce 
>   certain results.

Bonus point.

> * Being published in 1984, it discusses "/the/ shell" instead of 
>   "a 
>   shell", and thus doesn't cover the differences between the 
>   various shells now available, e.g. bash vs. zsh vs. fish 
>   vs. dash etc.

Well, that could be a good thing, as I could probably find good
shell-specific documentation online later.

> * The "Document Preparation" chapter feels somewhat esoteric given 
>   our 
>   current context of things like LaTeX, Pandoc, Scribus and so on.

Yes, I just had a look at it, it seems it focuses on writing man
pages. I have other books on LaTeX anyhow.

> > Also, are there other books I might want to supplement these 
> > with?
> 
> i guess it depends on what other specific areas you're interested 
> in  i have a copy of O'Reilly's tome "Unix Power Tools", and 
> still regularly find it very useful.

I'm mostly interested in getting a good foundation in C programming,
but generic UNIX tools/shell books that are good are always useful. I
find learning is easier from an actual book than electronic text, but I
must confess I haven't really tried reading books on my iThing. The K&R
book was available, though, so I might buy that just to try it. I'll
put "Unix Power Tools" on my shopping list - thanks :)

Petter

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RE: Book questions

[Larry Owens]

-Original Message-
From: Petter Adsen [mailto:pet...@synth.no] 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 5:15 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Book questions

This might be a little off-topic, as it is not Debian-specific, but I hope
those here with experience will bear with me.

I was rummaging through a bunch of books I was given when I did some work
for a book distributor, and found a few things that might be interesting.

For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular expressions,
and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular Expressions" and "Sed &
awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone have any experience with these, and an
opinion as to which I should start with?

I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by Kernighan
and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from O'Reilly. Since I
want to learn C I know I need to read the first of these, but I was
wondering how the other two are, if anyone here has read them.

Also, are there other books I might want to supplement these with? I found
two Linux-specific books as well, but they are really old. One of them comes
with a CD of Slackware from 1996. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated :)

Petter
If you really want to start at the beginning with C, the appropriate book
IMO is The C Programming Language, also by Kernighan and Richie, the
"inventors" thereof
Larry

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Re: Book questions

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:32:38 -0400
Dan Ritter  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:15:12PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular
> > expressions, and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular
> > Expressions" and "Sed & awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone have
> > any experience with these, and an opinion as to which I should
> > start with?
> 
> If you read through "sed & awk" you will get a decent
> introduction, and "Mastering" is a good follow-up.

OK, thanks, then I should be covered.

> 'man perlre' (perl regular expressions) is a good reference in
> most cases; more so if you're actually using perl, of course.

It's been a long time since I used perl regularly, but it might come in
handy as an online reference. Are perl regular expressions "compatible"
with the ones used by grep/sed/awk, etc? I think I remember reading
that there are differences between them?

> > I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by
> > Kernighan and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from
> > O'Reilly. Since I want to learn C I know I need to read the first of
> > these, but I was wondering how the other two are, if anyone here has
> > read them.
> 
> They aren't exactly up to date, but they contain much which is
> still relevant. System V release 4 was one of the models for
> Linux.

Yes, the basics are what I'm interested in here. Once I get a good grip
on those I can look into more modern and Linux-specific topics. I'm
most interested in learning how to write portable code anyways, so
these should be a good start.

> "Learning Perl" and "The Perl Cookbook" are good for Perl; you
> might want "UNIX System Administration", but you'll definitely
> want "The Debian Administrator's Handbook" at
> http://debian-handbook.info

I actually also found "Learning Perl", and I think I have the Cookbook
if I dig a little deeper, but I've more or less settled on learning C,
as I think that would be more worthwhile.

Downloaded the Debian book, though, I'll have to look through it and
print out some of the chapters.

Thanks for the advice! :)

Petter

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Re: free cloud

[Petter Adsen]

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:38:12 -0400
Stefan Monnier  wrote:

> > perspective. I don't feel comfortable with countries that openly
> > cooperate with the intelligence services.
> 
> As opposed to those who do it covertly, you mean?
> 
> 
> Stefan "not funny"

Not going into that one, but I might suggest looking at CloudMe. They
are located in Sweden, and thus covered by European data protection
laws. For legal information: https://www.cloudme.com/en/legal

They have a Linux client, basic free service, and clients for most
systems. You can also use webdav, although I haven't personally tried
this. I'm currently thinking about paying them for backup storage,
since they are geographically quite close to me and have good support.

YMMV.

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Re: Book questions

[Alexis]

Petter Adsen  writes:

For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular 
expressions, and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular 
Expressions" and "Sed & awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone 
have any experience with these, and an opinion as to which I 
should start with?


i have the former, and highly recommend it. :-) i've not read the 
latter, so can't comment on it.


I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by 
Kernighan and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from 
O'Reilly. Since I want to learn C I know I need to read the 
first of these, but I was wondering how the other two are, if 
anyone here has read them.


i have a copy of "The UNIX Programming Environment". i have in no 
way read it cover-to-cover, but some comments i can make on it 
are:


* i feel it's useful for cultivating the classic Unix 'toolkit' 
 mindset, 
 where one connects various programs in various ways to produce 
 certain results.


* Being published in 1984, it discusses "/the/ shell" instead of 
 "a 
 shell", and thus doesn't cover the differences between the 
 various shells now available, e.g. bash vs. zsh vs. fish 
 vs. dash etc.


* The "Document Preparation" chapter feels somewhat esoteric given 
 our 
 current context of things like LaTeX, Pandoc, Scribus and so on.


Also, are there other books I might want to supplement these 
with?


i guess it depends on what other specific areas you're interested 
in  i have a copy of O'Reilly's tome "Unix Power Tools", and 
still regularly find it very useful.



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Re: free cloud

[Stefan Monnier]

> perspective. I don't feel comfortable with countries that openly cooperate
> with the intelligence services.

As opposed to those who do it covertly, you mean?


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Re: Architecture independent package

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 07:57:43PM +0800, sppmg wrote:
> Hi all
> I want type Chinese in skype in Debian (testing) amd64, so I need this
> package :
> 
> "hime"
> (skype need "hime-qt4-immodule:i386" , I google to get this .)
> 
> It's will depend "hime-data:i386". But  hime-data is architecture
> independent package, there is no ":i386" .
> How can i solve this ?

According to packages.debian.org, hime-qt4-immodule (0.9.10-5) depends
on hime (>= 0.9.10.5), which depends on hime-data.

Note that neither of those dependencies specifies an architecture. This
means that any compatible architecture can provide a solution. hime-data
is marked as "arch:all", which means that it can be installed on all
architectures (it is architecture independant).

Therefore, hime-data (arch:all) will satisfy the requirement for
hime-data to an i386 package as well as an amd64 package and so on.

> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Book questions

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:15:12PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
> For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular
> expressions, and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular
> Expressions" and "Sed & awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone have any
> experience with these, and an opinion as to which I should start with?

If you read through "sed & awk" you will get a decent
introduction, and "Mastering" is a good follow-up.

'man perlre' (perl regular expressions) is a good reference in
most cases; more so if you're actually using perl, of course.

> I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by
> Kernighan and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from
> O'Reilly. Since I want to learn C I know I need to read the first of
> these, but I was wondering how the other two are, if anyone here has
> read them.

They aren't exactly up to date, but they contain much which is
still relevant. System V release 4 was one of the models for
Linux.

"Learning Perl" and "The Perl Cookbook" are good for Perl; you
might want "UNIX System Administration", but you'll definitely
want "The Debian Administrator's Handbook" at
http://debian-handbook.info

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Re: Architecture independent package

[Elimar Riesebieter]

* sppmg  [2015-04-09 19:57 +0800]:

> Hi all
> I want type Chinese in skype in Debian (testing) amd64, so I need this
> package :
> 
> "hime"
> (skype need "hime-qt4-immodule:i386" , I google to get this .)
> 
> It's will depend "hime-data:i386". But  hime-data is architecture
> independent package, there is no ":i386" .
> How can i solve this ?

$ apt-cache show hime-data

Package: hime-data
Source: hime
Version: 0.9.10-5
Installed-Size: 740
Maintainer: IME Packaging Team 
Architecture: all
Description-en: icons, locales and scripts for HIME
 HIME Input Method Editor is a input method platform, which is forked
 from the famous gcin input method.
 .
 This package contains icons, locales, scripts and other architecture-
 independent things.
Description-md5: a10a92078a29a5c3ad9fecec03c0526b
Homepage: http://hime.luna.com.tw
Section: utils
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/h/hime/hime-data_0.9.10-5_all.deb
Size: 488682
MD5sum: f27f73cb00f2af7d3c73a02a87dac598
SHA1: 70f97d94037998074025f34e5f591573bda01707
SHA256: d306968cc0c24dcf8301e4ae6ab136ff1de15431181f181f3b3541ef0038bf7f

architecture-independent means this package contains only files
which are readable on any arch. Just install it and be happy.

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-04-15 om 12:02 schreef Bret Busby:

> 00.01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices (AMD nee ATI
> Device 9852

I don't know this device.

When it's a relative new device, and does not work well, I would try a
newer Linux kernel from backports. Something like this:
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64
See here for instructions: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

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Book questions

[Petter Adsen]

This might be a little off-topic, as it is not Debian-specific, but I
hope those here with experience will bear with me.

I was rummaging through a bunch of books I was given when I did some
work for a book distributor, and found a few things that might be
interesting.

For a long time I've been meaning to learn more about regular
expressions, and I found the following books: "Mastering Regular
Expressions" and "Sed & awk", both from O'Reilly. Does anyone have any
experience with these, and an opinion as to which I should start with?

I also found the K&R book, "The UNIX Programming Environment" by
Kernighan and Pike, and "UNIX Systems Programming for SVR4" from
O'Reilly. Since I want to learn C I know I need to read the first of
these, but I was wondering how the other two are, if anyone here has
read them.

Also, are there other books I might want to supplement these with? I
found two Linux-specific books as well, but they are really old. One of
them comes with a CD of Slackware from 1996. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated :)

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Architecture independent package

[sppmg]

Hi all
I want type Chinese in skype in Debian (testing) amd64, so I need this
package :

"hime"
(skype need "hime-qt4-immodule:i386" , I google to get this .)

It's will depend "hime-data:i386". But  hime-data is architecture
independent package, there is no ":i386" .
How can i solve this ?

Thanks


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Re: Video Compression

[Jochen Spieker]

Thomas H. George:
>
> I need an beginer's guide to video compression. The man page for ffmpeg
> is daunting and I can find no explanations of the tools in libav-tools

The whole topic _is_ daunting. The best tool is HandBrake, available in
wheezy-backports and testing/sid.

> I have short avi HD video clips, 1280x720@30fps, which I would like to
> compress to a size suitable for email attachments. The largest is 196 M,
> most are about 90 M.

The easiest way to reduce file size is to lower the resolution. If you
can live with 640x360 you almost automatically end up at a quarter of
the original size. Using h.264 with aggressive options might help as
well.

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Gian Uberto Lauri]

Bret Busby writes:
 > 00.01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices (AMD nee ATI
 > Device 9852

Type xrandr. You should have one entry for each possible connector.

I.E.

saint@quigley:~
12:22:39 [9] $xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2390 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192
LVDS1 connected 1366x768+1024+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 
344mm x 194mm
   1366x768   60.0*+
   1360x768   59.8 60.0  
   1024x768   60.0  
   800x60060.3 56.2  
   640x48059.9  
VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 304mm x 
228mm
   1024x768   75.1 75.0 70.1 60.0* 
   800x60072.2 75.0 60.3  
   640x48072.8 75.0 60.0  
   720x40070.1  
HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

You can then use xrandr to configure the external monitor, if you wish.

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Re: Update only of security vulnerabilities?

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-04-15 om 11:31 schreef Rafał Radecki:
> Hi All :)
> 
> Is usage of
> 
> 1) # unattended-upgrade --dry-run
> 
> command with proper configuration of
> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades file the best choice for
> checking available security updates?
> 
> Another options as I found are: 
> 
> 2) #apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep "^Inst" | grep -i security"
> 3) put all security repositories to a dedicated file (for example
> /etc/apt/security.sources.list) and run
> 
> #apt-get -u upgrade --assume-no -o
> Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/security.sources.list
> 
> I found that in CentOS for example checking of available security
> updates is broken because of lack of errata info in their official
> repositories. So I want to be SURE that I am using the best command for
> the task :)
> 
> How are you performing such checking?

Maybe unattented-upgrade is fine for you if you want only the security
updates. But I want a full "apt-get dist-upgrade". So I don't use the
stock unattended-upgrade of Wheezy. But unattended-upgrade in Jessie is
fine, when using a "*" config. See
/usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrade/README or something like that for the
details.

For Wheezy I use a backport what I've made myself. This is what I do:
Wheezy: http://vandervlis.nl/files/unat7
Jessie: http://vandervlis.nl/files/unat8

What I would like is autmatic install but only after a few days. I am
working on a script what does that. It's not well tested at the moment:
http://vandervlis.nl/files/updateafter

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

On 09/04/2015, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 09-04-15 om 11:22 schreef Bret Busby:
>> Hello.
>>
>> On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer "laptop" computer with an
>> AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work.
>>
>> The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS Win 8, with Debian
>> 6, and with Ununtu 12.04 and with Ubuntu 14.04.
>>
>> On another Acer "laptop" computer with Debian 7 installed, the
>> external monitor works with MS Win 8, and with Ubuntu 14.04, and not
>> with Debian 7. That computer has an nVidia graphica adaptor, that has
>> previously been mentioned on the list.
>>
>> Does Debian 7 work with external monitors?
>
> Yes. And Radeon is no problem, but I don't know the R2.
> Maybe tell us the output of "lspci | grep -i vga"
>

00.01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices (AMD nee ATI
Device 9852

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Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-04-15 om 11:22 schreef Bret Busby:
> Hello.
> 
> On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer "laptop" computer with an
> AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work.
> 
> The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS Win 8, with Debian
> 6, and with Ununtu 12.04 and with Ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> On another Acer "laptop" computer with Debian 7 installed, the
> external monitor works with MS Win 8, and with Ubuntu 14.04, and not
> with Debian 7. That computer has an nVidia graphica adaptor, that has
> previously been mentioned on the list.
> 
> Does Debian 7 work with external monitors?

Yes. And Radeon is no problem, but I don't know the R2.
Maybe tell us the output of "lspci | grep -i vga"

Some laptops only work with external monitor after a reboot.

Some laptops only work with external monitor after pressing a special
key. Fn-F5 or something like that.

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Update only of security vulnerabilities?

[Rafał Radecki]

Hi All :)

Is usage of

1) # unattended-upgrade --dry-run

command with proper configuration of
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades file the best choice for checking
available security updates?

Another options as I found are:

2) #apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep "^Inst" | grep -i security"
3) put all security repositories to a dedicated file (for example
/etc/apt/security.sources.list) and run

#apt-get -u upgrade --assume-no -o
Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/security.sources.list

I found that in CentOS for example checking of available security updates
is broken because of lack of errata info in their official repositories. So
I want to be SURE that I am using the best command for the task :)

How are you performing such checking?

BR,
Rafal.

Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer "laptop" computer with an
AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work.

The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS Win 8, with Debian
6, and with Ununtu 12.04 and with Ubuntu 14.04.

On another Acer "laptop" computer with Debian 7 installed, the
external monitor works with MS Win 8, and with Ubuntu 14.04, and not
with Debian 7. That computer has an nVidia graphica adaptor, that has
previously been mentioned on the list.

Does Debian 7 work with external monitors?

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Re: No suspend in XFCE without systemd?

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-04-15 om 06:39 schreef Ric Moore:

(...)
> Let me be clear, if this is a
> one time payment to install an operating system, I wouldn't pick a path
> that might prove troublesome in the future, which would result in
> freebie comebacks IF the customization fails at some point. 

Most customers come back, but they pay for it. Regular customers even
pay for a 5 minutes call.

> After all,
> the packagers main focus is on systemd at this point. Stuff can and will
> happen. So, I would stay with a stock install at all costs. 

That's your choice. I do this now 15 years for a living, and have some
experience.

> Otherwise, I wouldn't have a customer, I would have a "boss". 

Customer says what she wants, I decide if I like to do that.
Both are free.

> But, if they are
> willing to PAY you every time you have to show up, then you have a good
> customer. You bet, I'd kiss their ass. :) Ric

It's a nice young woman, not sure she would like that ;-)

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Re: Towards an "instructive" Debian installation

[Richard Owlett]

Richard Owlett wrote:


[snip why I wish to do install with debootstrap]

I list some links I've found useful to varying degrees. Some
don't reference debootstrap directly but illustrate side issues
that come under the heading "everybody knows that".

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/debootstrap
http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=debootstrap&manpath=Debian+6.0+squeeze

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426
http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html
http://wiki.debian.org/deb
http://www.digriz.org.uk/debian/debootstrap
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux#Without_CD
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-install-debian-using-debootstrap-4175465295/

http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/01/debootstrap-minimal-debian-ubuntu-installation/

http://askubuntu.com/questions/168158/how-do-i-add-more-variants-or-custom-packages-to-debootstrap



These are some additional links I've used:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux#Without_CD
http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/install-debian-gnu-linux-using-debootstrap-on-a-freebsd-jail-with-zfs.41470/ 

http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/SWDEBIAN/files/debootstrap-article.html 
  --- !! have copy under /_debootstrap/misc




I hope others would find this list useful.

I would appreciate suggestions of other material I should be
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Re: No suspend in XFCE without systemd?

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 08-04-15 om 23:45 schreef Brian:
> On Wed 08 Apr 2015 at 19:07:05 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> 
>> I've made a Debian Jessie laptop for a customer, who does not want
>> systemd. Because of dependencies with systemd I don't have policykit
>> installed.
>>
>> When I do a "pm-suspend" as root the laptop comes into suspend state,
>> but in XFCE the options are grey.
>>
>> When I do "xfce4-power-manager --dump" then I see that it can do suspend
>> and hybernate, but is not authorized to do it. I think it will have to
>> do with the missing policykit.
>>
>> Does somebody know here more?
> 
> Perhaps you can be more detailed about two things?
> 
> 1. What does your customer mean by "does not want systemd""? If this a
>matter of not wanting systemd as the init system Jessie already
>accomodates this.

Not sure if "not wanting systemd as the init system" is enough for my
customer. Maybe she means: "I don't want the package systemd on my
computer", what means that logind is not possible too.
I speak her in a few days.

> 2. What steps did you take to accomodate his wishes?

I did install a normal installation with an XFCE desktop. Then I did:


apt-get install sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils
reboot
apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
echo -e 'Package: systemd\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: -1' > \
  /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd


The "apt-get remove" step did remove much, too much, from the system, I
would not use that again. It removed e.g. lightdm and task-xfce-desktop,
but I could reinstall those packages without problems.

Some other packages what are removed: gvfs-daemons, colord, packagekit,
udisk2, policykit, hplip, network manager.

The most work was network manager, but I've replaced that with wicd. The
configuration of wifi was not easy, a few hints:

rfkill list
rfkill unblock all
iwconfig
ifconfig wlan0 up
find the configuration in wicd, and configure the wlan device.

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Re: wget vs curl (was ... Re: debian 8)

[Reco]

On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 01:17:15PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
> > Reco wrote:
> > > So, in the case of doubt - you use curl or rebuild wget against
> > > openssl. It's that simple.
> 
> I know that people have strong feelings for and against curl and wget.
> I haven't ever understood it.  You are the first to quantify why you
> think Debian's curl deals better with https sites.  It appears the
> issues all surround https handling.

Indeed. For example, I stumble upon #686837 on regular basis.

And I'd like to add that wget that's linked against gnutls *would* be
good thing *if* it allowed to poke all GnuTLS knobs - #642051. But it
does not.

Reco


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Re: Webcam device `not found'

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-04-08, Bret Busby  wrote:
> On 08/04/2015, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
>> On 2015-03-31, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> On my Acer Aspire One netbook, when I launch cheese, it complain that the
>>> device is `not found'.  Googling around I've found many similar issues but
>>> no
>>> solution.  Please help whoever can.  I have Sid.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rodolfo
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have an Aspire One running wheezy and GNOME 3.4.2. The webcam "just
>> works". What Debian release are you using?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Liam
>>
>>
>>
>
> Last sentence of original post - "I have Sid."
>

(Ahem) I need to get those glasses checked.

Anyway, the relevant driver is uvcvideo, if that's any help to the OP.

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Re: No suspend in XFCE without systemd?

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-04-15 om 00:09 schreef deloptes:
> Brian wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps you can be more detailed about two things?
>>
>> 1. What does your customer mean by "does not want systemd""? If this a
>> matter of not wanting systemd as the init system Jessie already
>> accomodates this.
>>
>> 2. What steps did you take to accomodate his wishes?
> 
> I use the opportunity to confirm that the downgrade of upower + policykit1
> fixed the problem for me (as mentioned in the previous post) and also to
> answer your two questions

Downgrading upower and policykit is not an option for me, because I want
security support.

I found out that policykit does not need systemd but logind. And that's
in the systemd package.

It seems that you can use logind without systemd by installing the
package systemd, but not systemd-sysv. Without systemd-sysv the system
boots using sysvinit. I have not tested this, because I first want to
talk with my customer.

It was not a problem to make an icon on the screen what does a suspend
using sudo.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



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