Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour,

Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 10:28, Grégoire COUTANT a écrit :
 Preparing to replace mysql-server-5.6 5.6.21-1~dotdeb.1 (using
 .../mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb) ...
 Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
 cp: cannot overwrite directory `/var/lib/mysql-upgrade/DATADIR.link/mysql'
 with non-directory

Apparemment le script de pré-installation de la mise-à-jour tente de remplacer
ce dossier et ça échoue…

Ça doit se passer dans le script « pre-inst » contenu dans le dossier « debian »
du paquet. Il va falloir analyser ce qui s'y fait. Pour cela :
- télécharger le paquet (.deb);
- extraire le paquet (avec « dpkg -x »);
- analyser le contenu du script en question.

 Errors were encountered while processing:
  /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb

Pourquoi utiliser un paquet MySQL provenant d'une autre source que Debian ?

Est-ce que le mainteneur du dépôt connait un contournement à ce problème de
mise-à-jour de _son_ paquet ?

Sébastien

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Re: Viruses and rootkits WAS Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:42:14PM -0400, Deb wrote:
 
 
 On 05/28/2015 01:23 PM, John Hasler wrote:
 Frank writes:
 It's the ISP security guys who are insisting in their words the
 account or perhaps your whole computer is infected.
 The only Linux malware in the wild attacks Web sites via vulnerabilities
 in things like PHP.  Aside from the difficulty there is no motivation
 for creating malware to attack Linux desktops.  There are not enough of
 them (and you'd need a version of your malware for every dist) to make
 it profitable.  A good piece of Windows malware can turn a million
 Windows desktop boxes into bots.  How many Linux bots would the same
 effort yield?
 That's for profit, but why wouldn't at least a few random amateurs create
 Linux malware for fun and practice? Or is it too difficult for the
 pimples-and-braces crowd?

Why, they do, of course. Both for fun and profit.

It's just that they choose somewhat different targets from your typical
run-of-the-mill PC.

Exibit a. Android-based phones and tablets. Porn ransomware, botnets,
PII theft - you name it, they have an app for that :)

Exibit b. Your typical Linux-based router box sooner or later will be
included in certain botnet (or they try to do it at least).


Why do it? The amount of said devices available in public is the main
factor.


Why is it possible? The main differences between PC and said devices are:

- Relative lack of updates (4-5 times during 'product' lifecycle at best)

- Relative 'platform stability' (meaning - more or less the same library
set and kernel due to the lack of updates)

- Swiss cheese security configuration by default: administrative
interfaces on WAN for routers, horribly coded kernel modules such as
ozwpan, insecure permissions for /dev/kmem on certain phones, and last,
but not least - well-known username/password pairs such as admin/admin
that nobody bothers to change


Does this means that you need to be very unlucky to encounter a malware
on a typical amd64 Debian installation (disregarding PHP or other
webserver software)? Yes.

Does this means that you should not do something with said Debian
installation beforehand? For me the answer is - no, just because I like
to cater for that paranoid guy in my head :)


Is clamav is the answer to Linux malware? No, because the only thing
that clamav is supposed to do is to check for Windows malware while
running on Linux (or *BSD) box.

What is the correct answer to Linux malware? Any kind of IDS, be it the
local one (rkhunter, debsums, fcheck), or distributed one (snort).

Reco


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Re: Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Igor Cicimov
On 29/05/2015 5:08 PM, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote:

 When I woke up this morning, one of my boxen had spewed out a ton of
 errors from one of my SSDs (the root drive), remounted read-only, and
 went into a kernel panic.

 After rebooting everything seems fine, though. I've ran a SMART long
 test, but as I found out the SMART error log is not supported on this
 drive. Neither do I have the log of what happened, since / was
 remounted ro.

 I've included the output of smartctl --all /dev/sdc, but I can't see
 anything that stands out.

 Yesterday, I had another kernel panic (that seemed related to systemd),
 so I suspect the (manually built) kernel to be at fault here. The RAM
 in this machine is all brand new, and I ran memtest less than two weeks
 ago, so that should be fine.

 Can anyone look at this log and tell me if there is anything to worry
 about? Which of the attributes should I look at, so that I know in the
 future?

 (And I did a full backup as recently as yesterday that was tested OK
 at the time, so data loss is not a concern. Everything important is on
 other drives anyway.)

 ---snip---
 smartctl 6.4 2014-10-07 r4002 [x86_64-linux-3.19.0-18-generic] (local
build)
 Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke,
www.smartmontools.org

 === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
 Model Family: SandForce Driven SSDs
 Device Model: KINGSTON SV300S37A120G
 Serial Number:snip
 LU WWN Device Id: 5 0026b7 74703dbf1
 Firmware Version: 525ABBF0
 User Capacity:120 034 123 776 bytes [120 GB]
 Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
 Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
 Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
 ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS, ACS-2 T13/2015-D revision 3
 SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
 Local Time is:Fri May 29 08:50:31 2015 CEST
 SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
 SMART support is: Enabled

 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
 SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

 General SMART Values:
 Offline data collection status:  (0x02) Offline data collection activity
 was completed without error.
 Auto Offline Data Collection:
Disabled.
 Self-test execution status:  (   0) The previous self-test routine
completed
 without error or no self-test has
ever
 been run.
 Total time to complete Offline
 data collection:(0) seconds.
 Offline data collection
 capabilities:(0x79) SMART execute Offline immediate.
 No Auto Offline data collection
support.
 Suspend Offline collection upon
new
 command.
 Offline surface scan supported.
 Self-test supported.
 Conveyance Self-test supported.
 Selective Self-test supported.
 SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
 power-saving mode.
 Supports SMART auto save timer.
 Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported.
 General Purpose Logging supported.
 Short self-test routine
 recommended polling time:(   1) minutes.
 Extended self-test routine
 recommended polling time:(  36) minutes.
 Conveyance self-test routine
 recommended polling time:(   2) minutes.
 SCT capabilities:  (0x0025) SCT Status supported.
 SCT Data Table supported.

 SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
 ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0033   095   095   050Pre-fail  Always
 -   0/6132927
   5 Retired_Block_Count 0x0033   100   100   003Pre-fail  Always
 -   0
   9 Power_On_Hours_and_Msec 0x0032   096   096   000Old_age   Always
 -   4237h+54m+09.420s
  12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always
 -   74
 171 Program_Fail_Count  0x000a   000   000   000Old_age   Always
 -   0
 172 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   000   000   000Old_age   Always
 -   0
 174 Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct  0x0030   000   000   000Old_age
 Offline  -   65
 177 Wear_Range_Delta0x   000   000   000Old_age
 Offline  -   0
 181 Program_Fail_Count  0x000a   000   000   000Old_age   Always
 -   0
 182 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   000   000   000Old_age   Always
 -   

Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Curt
On 2015-05-28, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Can you not just boot into level 1 in the first place if you want to run
  completely without X?

 Runlevel 1 is single-user/minimal mode.

 Yes, I know.  But as I (mis?)understood it, the purpose was to do a specific 
 piece of administartion with X not running.  For which runlevel 1 would 
 hopefully be enough.

Oh I didn't understand anything in that way.  I thought the desire
expressed was to start the graphical environment from the console (I
believe there was a mention of'startx').  

 Lisi




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Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Grégoire COUTANT

Bonjour à tous,
Lors de la MàJ d'un paquet (mysql-server-5.6), le processus a planté sur 
une erreur de MàJ corrigé quelques jours plus tard par le mainteneur du 
paquet.


Mais maintenant je ne peux plus effectuer aucune MàJ sans que MySQL 
plante car il y a une incohérence entre la version installée et la 
version retournée par le serveur et je ne sais pas comment résoudre ce 
souci.


Lors d'un #aptitude safe-upgrade :

Preparing to replace mysql-server-5.6 5.6.21-1~dotdeb.1 (using 
.../mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb) ...

Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
cp: cannot overwrite directory 
`/var/lib/mysql-upgrade/DATADIR.link/mysql' with non-directory
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb 
(--unpack):

 subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[...]
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[...]
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server-5.6:
 mysql-server-5.6 depends on mysql-server-core-5.6 (= 
5.6.21-1~dotdeb.1); however:

  Version of mysql-server-core-5.6 on system is 5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3.
dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.6 (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured


Pourtant lorsque je demande en CLI la version de MySQL j'obtiens :

# mysql --version
mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.6.23, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using 
EditLine wrapper


MySQL 5.6.23 est bien installée manifestement mais le serveur essaie de 
réinstaller cette version quand même et plante !


Savez-vous comment sortir de cette situation ?

Merci

Greg

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Re: dmesg BIOS error

2015-05-29 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, 28 May 2015 23:54:40 -0400
Deb debianu...@gmx.com wrote:

 What does this error listing in my dmesg mean:
 
 [0.00] ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): 32/64X FACS address mismatch
 in FADT: 0xCF7E4E40/0xCF7E4D40, using 32-bit address 
 (20140424/tbfadt-283)

This[1] seems to be a relatively clear explanation of the problem.


[1]:https://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01639.html

 
 Deb
 
 


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Re: Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Alex Mestiashvili


 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0033   100   100   003 Pre-fail  
Always   -   0


Reallocated_Event_Count is 0 meaning no bad sectors were ever found. I 
have a failing drive atm and this number slowly piles up.


 201 Unc_Soft_Read_Err_Rate  0x001c   120   120  000Old_age  
 Offline  -   0/6132927




The question is if the string above has any meaning in ssd context...
Usually one can see more information in dmesg output.



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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Curt
On 2015-05-29, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
 On 2015-05-28, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Can you not just boot into level 1 in the first place if you want to run
  completely without X?

 Runlevel 1 is single-user/minimal mode.

 Yes, I know.  But as I (mis?)understood it, the purpose was to do a specific 
 piece of administartion with X not running.  For which runlevel 1 would 
 hopefully be enough.

 Oh I didn't understand anything in that way.  I thought the desire
 expressed was to start the graphical environment from the console (I
 believe there was a mention of'startx').  

 Lisi


I mean I understood the OP's desire was to start his GUI in a definitive
way, as a matter of course, not as a one-shot deal, from the console.


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Re: Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:08 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
 When I woke up this morning, one of my boxen had spewed out a ton of
 errors from one of my SSDs (the root drive), remounted read-only, and
 went into a kernel panic.

It's probably a good idea to test with the manufacturers own diagnostic
tool to make sure nothing is wrong with the disk.

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Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Petter Adsen
When I woke up this morning, one of my boxen had spewed out a ton of
errors from one of my SSDs (the root drive), remounted read-only, and
went into a kernel panic.

After rebooting everything seems fine, though. I've ran a SMART long
test, but as I found out the SMART error log is not supported on this
drive. Neither do I have the log of what happened, since / was
remounted ro.

I've included the output of smartctl --all /dev/sdc, but I can't see
anything that stands out.

Yesterday, I had another kernel panic (that seemed related to systemd),
so I suspect the (manually built) kernel to be at fault here. The RAM
in this machine is all brand new, and I ran memtest less than two weeks
ago, so that should be fine.

Can anyone look at this log and tell me if there is anything to worry
about? Which of the attributes should I look at, so that I know in the
future?

(And I did a full backup as recently as yesterday that was tested OK
at the time, so data loss is not a concern. Everything important is on
other drives anyway.)

---snip---
smartctl 6.4 2014-10-07 r4002 [x86_64-linux-3.19.0-18-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: SandForce Driven SSDs
Device Model: KINGSTON SV300S37A120G
Serial Number:snip
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0026b7 74703dbf1
Firmware Version: 525ABBF0
User Capacity:120 034 123 776 bytes [120 GB]
Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS, ACS-2 T13/2015-D revision 3
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:Fri May 29 08:50:31 2015 CEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x02) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:  (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever 
been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection:(0) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:(0x79) SMART execute Offline immediate.
No Auto Offline data collection support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time:(   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:(  36) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:(   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:  (0x0025) SCT Status supported.
SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  
WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x0033   095   095   050Pre-fail  Always   
-   0/6132927
  5 Retired_Block_Count 0x0033   100   100   003Pre-fail  Always   
-   0
  9 Power_On_Hours_and_Msec 0x0032   096   096   000Old_age   Always   
-   4237h+54m+09.420s
 12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   74
171 Program_Fail_Count  0x000a   000   000   000Old_age   Always   
-   0
172 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   000   000   000Old_age   Always   
-   0
174 Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct  0x0030   000   000   000Old_age   Offline  
-   65
177 Wear_Range_Delta0x   000   000   000Old_age   Offline  
-   0
181 Program_Fail_Count  0x000a   000   000   000Old_age   Always   
-   0
182 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   000   000   000Old_age   Always   
-   0
187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0012   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   0
189 

Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 29 May 2015 08:31:49 +0200
Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote:

 On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:21:05 -0400
 Frank debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
 
  On 05/28/2015 02:44 AM, Emil Payne wrote:
   On 05/27/2015 10:16 PM, Charlie wrote:
   On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:06:10 -0400 Frank sent:
  
   When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with
   my ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact
   nothing had changed.
  
   I have no answer. However, with my ISP I periodically have the
   same problem. I attempt to log on with claws-mail, without
   changing anything, no update, no upgrade to the system. No
   tinkering, nothing at all and of the two accounts one gives me
   this error message:
  
  
   Charlie
  
   That's odd. I have 6 gmail and 8 yahoo accounts. Yesterday all six
   gmail accounts wanted the passwords reentered. I have thunderbird
   set to remember passwords. At first I couldn't even get anything
   to enter into the password box, although the checkbox and buttons
   worked fine. I restarted my computer and it immediately stopped,
   saying no keyboard found, even though pushing F1 continued booting
   and ENTER worked at the grub menu. Once booted in I restarted
   thunderbird and re-entered the passwords as saved. Everything
   works fine now. At the time I had put it down to intermittent
   power outages due to t-storms, but now I wonder.
  
   Emil
  
  
  The logon failure doesn't bother me as much as what the
  security department  at my ISP is claimingthat my system and
  that account have been compromised. I can't see how...but that's
  what they claim.
  
  The weird thing is if, while I am on the phone with them they change
  the password for that account, and I enter it into Thunderbird, the
  account works fine...until I close Thunderbird and re-open it. Then
  no password will be accepted by Thunderbird and we are back at
  square one. I'm guessing their system catches the IMAP logon and
  blocks it, because as we know my system is infested with malware
  and viruses.
  
  It's all very frustrating.
 
 I don't quite see why they have any reason to believe your system is
 compromised, unless there is something they aren't telling you (and
 that would be irresponsible of them, IMHO).
 
 Have you tried with another MUA to see if you get the same behaviour?
 And/or tried booting from a live disk and run Thunderbird from that?
 This could help determine if the problem is with Thunderbird itself,
 your configuration, or somewhere else.

Oh, and are you using IMAP? If so, try POP3 - or the other way around.

Petter

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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Petter Adsen
On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:21:05 -0400
Frank debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 On 05/28/2015 02:44 AM, Emil Payne wrote:
  On 05/27/2015 10:16 PM, Charlie wrote:
  On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:06:10 -0400 Frank sent:
 
  When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
  ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact
  nothing had changed.
 
  I have no answer. However, with my ISP I periodically have the same
  problem. I attempt to log on with claws-mail, without changing
  anything, no update, no upgrade to the system. No tinkering,
  nothing at all and of the two accounts one gives me this error
  message:
 
 
  Charlie
 
  That's odd. I have 6 gmail and 8 yahoo accounts. Yesterday all six
  gmail accounts wanted the passwords reentered. I have thunderbird
  set to remember passwords. At first I couldn't even get anything to
  enter into the password box, although the checkbox and buttons
  worked fine. I restarted my computer and it immediately stopped,
  saying no keyboard found, even though pushing F1 continued booting
  and ENTER worked at the grub menu. Once booted in I restarted
  thunderbird and re-entered the passwords as saved. Everything works
  fine now. At the time I had put it down to intermittent power
  outages due to t-storms, but now I wonder.
 
  Emil
 
 
 The logon failure doesn't bother me as much as what the security 
 department  at my ISP is claimingthat my system and that account
 have been compromised. I can't see how...but that's what they claim.
 
 The weird thing is if, while I am on the phone with them they change
 the password for that account, and I enter it into Thunderbird, the
 account works fine...until I close Thunderbird and re-open it. Then
 no password will be accepted by Thunderbird and we are back at square
 one. I'm guessing their system catches the IMAP logon and blocks it,
 because as we know my system is infested with malware and viruses.
 
 It's all very frustrating.

I don't quite see why they have any reason to believe your system is
compromised, unless there is something they aren't telling you (and
that would be irresponsible of them, IMHO).

Have you tried with another MUA to see if you get the same behaviour?
And/or tried booting from a live disk and run Thunderbird from that?
This could help determine if the problem is with Thunderbird itself,
your configuration, or somewhere else.

Petter

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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Curt
On 2015-05-29, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 It would have been more friendly and convenient had he asked a question
 that corresponded to my answer.

 So the OP must foresee what you are going to say later in the thread and 
 phrase his original question accordingly?!! 

That was a jocular remark on my part. I didn't think that would require
spelling out in any way, the facetiousness of it, but you never know I
guess.


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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread humbert . olivier . 1
 Je constate une anormale consommation de mémoire,
 aucune application lancée sauf le bureau.
 (Jessie, bureau TDE-trinity, 4Go de ram).
 
 $ free
total usedfreeshared  buffers   cached
 Mem:  4147716  3468024  679692  9068 198948  2743764
 -/+ buffers/cache: 5253123622404
 Swap: 2074620   0 2074620
 
 soit 3,4Go d'utilisé et 680 Mo de libre !
 
 C'est insensé : que faire ?
 
 André

Sauf erreur de ma part, il me semble que le noyau linux garde en mémoire les 
différentes applications et bibliothèques précédemment lancées et à présent 
fermées dans le cas où l'utilisateur demanderait la réouverture de ceux-ci, ce 
qui a pour effet d’accélérer la réouverture. Tu peux constater ça en lançant à 
froid (c'est à dire juste après un démarrage de la machine) iceweasel ou GIMP 
(ou n'importe quelle grosse application) et constater le nombre de secondes 
nécessaires au démarrage puis en fermant le logiciel et enfin en le relançant 
et en constatant que le nombre de secondes nécessaires à considérablement 
diminué.
Bref, si tu veux connaître la mémoire disponible sur ton système, tu peux 
utiliser la commande ps aux en regardant dans la colonne MEM.

Olivier

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Re: envoi via bluetooth

2015-05-29 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA

Bonjour,


Le jeudi 28 mai 2015, nono a écrit...


 Quelles sont vos pistes pour corriger mon problème ?

Essayer avec obexpushd / obexftp ?

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Re: when does debian 8.1 come?

2015-05-29 Thread Pete Orrall
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:05 AM, mudongliang
mudonglianga...@hotmail.com wrote:
 First , when does debian8.1 come?

When it's ready.

 Second, I know the development of debian big version (for Debian 7 - 8).

Huh?

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Re: Comando para substituir nome arquivo sem perder a numeração

2015-05-29 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, May 28, 2015, at 20:47, Carlos Donizete wrote:
 Muito fácil este 'mmv', é outro que irei usar sempre.
 
 Testei de primeira e renomeou com um comando tão simples.
 
 Muito obrigado Henrique.

De nada.  Me lembro quando descobri o mmv _muito_ tempo atrás num
momento de desespero com zilhões de arquivos para renomear...  É sempre
um prazer socializar as alegrias :-)

Duas outras jóias que vale a pena socializar são: 'pv'  e 'socat'.

No dia em que você precisar ligar um UNIX socket de uma VM em um UNIX
socket de outra VM, ou qualquer outra loucura absurda que possa ser
resolvida por uma ponte entre qualquer tipo de socket, pipe ou fifo para
um outro socket, pipe ou filtro (inclusive remoto, porque basta colocar
duas pontes dessas com TCP, UDP, SCTP ou um túnel SSH no meio),
lembre-se do socat.

E se quiser acompanhar o progresso de uma transferência entre pipes, e
até mesmo fazer rate-limit numa pipe(!), lembre-se do 'pv' :-)

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Re: Como mudar o file manager padrão do Debian Jessie

2015-05-29 Thread João Rodrigo Moreira
Obrigado pelas informações. Vou testar usar o Nemo e abrir arquivos com o
Okular.


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when does debian 8.1 come?

2015-05-29 Thread mudongliang

First , when does debian8.1 come?
Second, I know the development of debian big version (for Debian 7 - 8).

oldstable-stable-testing - unstable
wheezy  Jessiestretchsid

I'm using testing version now!
How is the development about small version (like debian 8.1)?

mudongliang


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ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread andre_debian
Bonjour,

Je constate une anormale consommation de mémoire,
aucune application lancée sauf le bureau.
 (Jessie, bureau TDE-trinity, 4Go de ram).

$ free
   total usedfreeshared  buffers   cached
Mem:  4147716  3468024  679692  9068 198948  2743764
-/+ buffers/cache: 5253123622404
Swap: 2074620   0 2074620

soit 3,4Go d'utilisé et 680 Mo de libre !

C'est insensé : que faire ?

André

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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 29 May 2015 10:04:47 Curt wrote:
 On 2015-05-29, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
  On 2015-05-28, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
   Can you not just boot into level 1 in the first place if you want to
   run completely without X?
 
  Runlevel 1 is single-user/minimal mode.
 
  Yes, I know.  But as I (mis?)understood it, the purpose was to do a
  specific piece of administartion with X not running.  For which runlevel
  1 would hopefully be enough.
 
  Oh I didn't understand anything in that way.  I thought the desire
  expressed was to start the graphical environment from the console (I
  believe there was a mention of'startx').
 
  Lisi

 I mean I understood the OP's desire was to start his GUI in a definitive
 way, as a matter of course, not as a one-shot deal, from the console.

He wants to install a video driver, and needs to do so with X not running.  

https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8OJ-8BjL=6g6v_ucfnzeh+lkpc7ap_uuxzvumg620b...@mail.gmail.com

startx was mentioned by someone else as a means of getting back to X after 
installing the driver.

Lisi


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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Curt
On 2015-05-29, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 He wants to install a video driver, and needs to do so with X not running.  

 https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8OJ-8BjL=6g6v_ucfnzeh+lkpc7ap_uuxzvumg620b...@mail.gmail.com

 startx was mentioned by someone else as a means of getting back to X after 
 installing the driver.


It would have been more friendly and convenient had he asked a question
that corresponded to my answer.

Is this the thread where I said 'gdm3 service stop' rather than 'gdm
service stop' for Squeeze?  And you said you thought Squeeze used Gnome2
(confusing the display manager version with the version of the graphical
desktop environment)?   I don't remember.  For those who wish to start X
from the console permanently-speaking, well, there ya go, disable or
remove the display manager is one way to skin that cat.  




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Re: jessie: need help with serial port

2015-05-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 28 May 2015 23:55:31 D. R. Evans wrote:
 Re-send, with the correct subject line. I keep getting wheezy and jessie
 mixed up. Sorry.

Would you find it easier to refer to Stable and Old Stable?  Or 7 and 8 and 
confuse people like me?  (The problem with numbers is that Testing (currently 
Stretch), Unstable (Sid) and Experimental do not have numbers.)

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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Grégoire COUTANT

Bonjour,

Le 29/05/2015 10:58, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit :

[...]
Apparemment le script de pré-installation de la mise-à-jour tente de remplacer
ce dossier et ça échoue…


Oui, le mainteneur du paquet a corrigé ce souci (pb de symlink), mais le 
souci vient du fait que la version de mysql est bien installé (car mysql 
--version sort la dernière version) mais que l'OS lui semble ne pas le 
savoir !



Pourquoi utiliser un paquet MySQL provenant d'une autre source que Debian ?


Mes devs ont besoin de cette version pour certaines fonctionnalités.


Est-ce que le mainteneur du dépôt connait un contournement à ce problème de
mise-à-jour de _son_ paquet ?


Oui, il l'a corrigé 
(https://www.dotdeb.org/2015/02/08/mysql-5-6-23-for-wheezy/) et 
d'ailleurs le paquet semble s'être installé. Mon souci vient surtout du 
fait que debian ne le sait pas :-/


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Re: Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 29 May 2015 11:04:09 +0200
Sven Arvidsson s...@whiz.se wrote:

 On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 09:08 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote:
  When I woke up this morning, one of my boxen had spewed out a ton of
  errors from one of my SSDs (the root drive), remounted read-only,
  and went into a kernel panic.
 
 It's probably a good idea to test with the manufacturers own
 diagnostic tool to make sure nothing is wrong with the disk.
 

I'm starting to suspect that it is. Either that, or the controller on
the motherboard, which would be even worse.

This just in:

[12490.684280] ata4.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x7f007fff SErr 0x0 action 0x6 
frozen
[12490.684296] ata4.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
[12490.684312] ata4.00: cmd 61/b8:00:e8:7d:87/00:00:06:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 94208 
out
 res 40/00:01:c8:7f:d5/00:00:1d:00:00/e0 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
[12490.684320] ata4.00: status: { DRDY }
[12490.684326] ata4.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
[12490.684338] ata4.00: cmd 60/08:08:80:47:f9/00:00:0d:00:00/40 tag 1 ncq 4096 
in
[12545.656751] ata4: limiting SATA link speed to 3.0 Gbps
[12545.656758] ata4: hard resetting link
[12550.657835] ata5: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12550.657850] ata5: hard resetting link
[12550.853737] ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 320)
[12550.853751] ata4.00: link online but device misclassified
[12555.850872] ata4.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec)
[12555.850891] ata4.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
[12555.850898] ata4.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
[12555.850909] ata4: hard resetting link
[12605.826168] ata5: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12605.826176] ata5: hard resetting link
[12610.819329] ata4: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12610.819345] ata4: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps
[12610.819352] ata4: hard resetting link
[12615.820431] ata5: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12615.820447] ata5: hard resetting link
[12616.004368] ata4: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
[12616.004381] ata4.00: link online but device misclassified
[12625.998617] ata4.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec)
[12625.998637] ata4.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
[12625.998644] ata4.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
[12625.998656] ata4: hard resetting link
[12635.996892] ata4: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12635.996907] ata4: hard resetting link
[12645.995158] ata4: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12645.995174] ata4: hard resetting link
[12650.800410] ata5: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12650.800427] ata5: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps
[12650.800434] ata5: hard resetting link
[12655.985396] ata5: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
[12655.985409] ata5.00: link online but device misclassified
[12665.979715] ata5.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec)
[12665.979735] ata5.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
[12665.979742] ata5.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
[12665.979754] ata5: hard resetting link
[12675.977962] ata5: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12675.977977] ata5: hard resetting link
[12680.979063] ata4: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[12680.979080] ata4: hard resetting link
[12685.976201] ata5: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)

Petter

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Re: Debian en una placa base

2015-05-29 Thread Manolo Díaz
El viernes, 29 may 2015, a las 07:06 UTC+2 horas,
Altair Linux escribió:

La tarjeta grafica no creo que de problemas:

GeForce GT 740 OC 2GB GDDR5
http://www.nvidia.es/download/driverResults.aspx/84821/es

Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver

Versione: 346.72 Fecha de publicación: 2015.5.12 Sistema operativo:
Linux 64-bit Idioma: Español (España)

Y de todas formas me refiero a todo el hardware de la placa, no solo
la tarjeta de sonido. La placa tiene varias partes: audio, chipset,
lan, SATA RAID/AHCI, USB 3.0, VGA.

Eso de que el propio fabricante no ofrezca drivers para linux, no me
gusta nada.

Pues es lo habitual. En Linux los controladores suelen ir en el núcleo.
Lo grave es que no especifica exactamente cuáles son los componentes
para ver si son compatibles con Linux. Y lo de por favor descargue los
drivers para Linux del sitio web del fabricante o de una web de
terceras partes es toda una falta de consideración. Qué menos que
indicar la versión más antigua con la que es compatible o decir
claramente que no funciona completamente en Linux.

A mi parecer tus opciones son:

Buscar el listado de componentes exactos de la placa y ver si
funcionan correctamente en Linux.

Buscar a ver si alguien ya la ha adquirido y que te cuente la
experiencia.

Arriesgarte.

Buscar otro fabricante/vendedor más amigable, como te sugiere
Aradenatorix.   

El día 28 de mayo de 2015, 23:06, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
arad...@gmail.com escribió:
 Es una tarjeta madre (o placa base joer) relativamente reciente por
 lo que en teoría no debería darte ningún problema, claro que eso
 depende también de que hardware vayas a implementar sobre ella.
 Definitivamente ponerle una tarjeta de video nVidia puede no ser la
 mejor idea y seguramente batallarás con los controladores, pero
 puedes evitarlo tal y como te dice José.

 Suerte.


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Re: Debian/MIPS Jessie doesn't resolve hostnames?

2015-05-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 29 May 2015 01:09:43 Stuart Longland wrote:
  The upgrade guide from debian tells us to do apt-get upgrade and then
  apt-get dist-upgrade
 
  this reduces the pain and will probably help you.

 Sadly it does not:
  root@qube:~# apt-get upgrade
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree      
  Reading state information... Done
  Calculating upgrade... Done
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

It's a bit late if you have already dist-upgraded!  To avoid pain you need to 
go it first.

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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 11:01, yamo' a écrit :
 Il y a peut-être la réponse là :
 http://mondedie.fr/viewtopic.php?id=6558 en #18, ça a été résolu.

La page traite bien d'un problème d'installation MySQL mais le problème n'est
pas le même :

insserv: warning: script 'firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: There is a loop between service minidlna and firewall if stopped
insserv:  loop involving service firewall at depth 2
insserv:  loop involving service minidlna at depth 1
insserv: Stopping firewall depends on minidlna and therefore on system 
facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: exiting now without changing boot order!
update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header

Là c'est un script pourri dans /etc/init.d qui bloque, le problème aurait
sûrement pu se passer aussi à l'installation d'Apache, PostgreSQL, etc.

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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Grégoire COUTANT

Bonjour,

Le 29/05/2015 11:14, mireero a écrit :

[..]
Désolé si ça semble trivial!
Est-ce que tu peux te permettre une réinstallation (genre aptitude
remove puis install ou direct reinstall)?


J'y ai pensé mais les bases de développement sont sur ce serveur (ça 
c'est pas grave, ça peut se couper), mais également deux bases de 
production qui avait besoin de cette version, donc je cherche une 
solution autre avant de tenter une réinstallation.


Je n'ai jamais utilisé reinstall par contre, je vais creuser voir ce que 
ça fait.


Greg

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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Mart van de Wege
Frank debianl...@videotron.ca writes:

 On 05/28/2015 02:44 AM, Emil Payne wrote:
 On 05/27/2015 10:16 PM, Charlie wrote:
 On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:06:10 -0400 Frank sent:

 When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
 ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact nothing
 had changed.

 I have no answer. However, with my ISP I periodically have the same
 problem. I attempt to log on with claws-mail, without changing anything,
 no update, no upgrade to the system. No tinkering, nothing at all and of
 the two accounts one gives me this error message:


 Charlie

 That's odd. I have 6 gmail and 8 yahoo accounts. Yesterday all six gmail
 accounts wanted the passwords reentered. I have thunderbird set to
 remember passwords. At first I couldn't even get anything to enter into
 the password box, although the checkbox and buttons worked fine. I
 restarted my computer and it immediately stopped, saying no keyboard
 found, even though pushing F1 continued booting and ENTER worked at the
 grub menu. Once booted in I restarted thunderbird and re-entered the
 passwords as saved. Everything works fine now. At the time I had put it
 down to intermittent power outages due to t-storms, but now I wonder.

 Emil


The logon failure doesn't bother me as much as what the security
 department  at my ISP is claimingthat my system and that account
 have been compromised. I can't see how...but that's what they claim.

It might be possible that someone got hold of your password and is using
your ISPs relay to send out spam. I've seen that happen more than once
in real life.

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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread yamo'
Salut,

Grégoire COUTANT a écrit le 29/05/2015 10:30 :
 Savez-vous comment sortir de cette situation ?




Il y a peut-être la réponse là :
http://mondedie.fr/viewtopic.php?id=6558 en #18, ça a été résolu.



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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 29 May 2015 10:28:15 Curt wrote:
 It would have been more friendly and convenient had he asked a question
 that corresponded to my answer.

So the OP must foresee what you are going to say later in the thread and 
phrase his original question accordingly?!! 

And those of us who answer must answer, not the OP's original question, but 
your later misconceptions?

 Is this the thread where I said 'gdm3 service stop' rather than 'gdm
 service stop' for Squeeze?  And you said you thought Squeeze used Gnome2
 (confusing the display manager version with the version of the graphical
 desktop environment)?

No, I didn't confuse anything.  I know perfectly well that *dm is a display 
manager not a DE.  I thought that gdm3 was later than gdm and that Gnome 2 
would use the eralier one, and Gnome 3 the later.   You have still not 
explicitly said that Gnome 2 uses gdm3, so you have still not actually said 
that I was wrong in believing that it usually does not.  

And yes, I know, before you start lecturing me again on my ignorance that the 
dm is not tied to the DE.  But I am still under the impression, possibly 
erroneously, since I use neither, that Gnome 2 does not normally use gdm3.

 I don't remember.  For those who wish to start X 
 from the console permanently-speaking, well, there ya go, disable or
 remove the display manager is one way to skin that cat.

Yes, but that was not what the OP asked.  I was answering the OP.

Lisi


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Re: ma debian ne tourne presque plus

2015-05-29 Thread Thierry Granier

Bonjour
j'ai supprime le microcode amd64 et j'ai change de bureau. Je n'utilise 
plus Cinnamon mais le bureau par defaut

tout semble etre rentre dans l'ordre

Thierry

Le 26/05/2015 22:49, Christophe De Natale a écrit :


Le 26 mai 2015 à 22:42, Thierry Granier th.gran...@free.fr 
mailto:th.gran...@free.fr a écrit :






Quand je passe la commande top j'obtiens ceci:

Tasks: 214 total,   3 running, 211 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 38,9 us,  3,3 sy,  0,0 ni, 57,8 id,  0,0 wa,  0,0 hi,  0,0 
si,  0,0 st

KiB Mem:   3542844 total,  3191764 used,   351080 free, 40864 buffers
KiB Swap:  6799356 total,51336 used,  6748020 free. 815908 cached Mem

  PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU %MEM TIME+ 
COMMAND
 2040 root  20   0 2228788 1,021g  53332 R  62,1 30,2 427:20.42 
iceweasel
 1910 root  20   0 2181896 571192  37848 S  16,6 16,1 310:45.49 
cinnamon

  793 root  20   0  525388  86440  33068 S   4,3  2,4 48:42.62 Xorg
 4669 root  20   0 1191940  77168  26084 R   1,0  2,2 14:57.58 
plugin-con+
  103 root   0 -20   0  0  0 S   0,3 0,0   0:02.53 
kworker/0:+
 5508 root  20   0  406864  27580  19080 S   0,3 0,8   0:04.68 
gnome-term+
30196 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0,3 0,0   0:01.99 
kworker/u8+

31678 root  20   0   23644   3024   2492 R   0,3 0,1   0:00.07 top
1 root  20   0  111876   4504   2748 S   0,0 0,1   0:01.09 
systemd
2 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:00.02 
kthreadd
3 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:09.70 
ksoftirqd/0
5 root   0 -20   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:00.00 
kworker/0:+
7 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:22.92 
rcu_sched
8 root  20   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:00.00 
rcu_bh
9 root  rt   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:00.24 
migration/0
   10 root  rt   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:00.19 
watchdog/0
   11 root  rt   0   0  0  0 S   0,0 0,0   0:00.18 
watchdog/1


Toute la CPU a l'air occupée et cinnamon consomme plutot 30% en 
moyenne (ici c'est une prise instantanée)


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J'ai plusieurs microcodes installés :

amd64-microcode
firmware-linux-nonfree (obligatoire pour ma carte graphique)
intel-microcode
iucode-tool   (je ne sais pas ce que c'est)
microcode.ctl


Aïe ça pique les yeux :-)
Tu n’as pas donné ta config matérielle, mais à un moment donné il va 
falloir choisir entre soit microcode intel soit amd (selon ton cpu) : 
https://wiki.debian.org/Microcode


Bonne soirée,


je vais essayer de me loguer avec un autre bureau que cinnamon

Cordialement a tous
T Granier


Le 26/05/2015 22:34, Thierry Granier a écrit :

Voila ce que j'ai en plus des autres messages


voila aussi ce que j'ai

 total   used   free shared buffers cached
Mem:  3,4G *3,2G * 217M64M46M   793M
-/+ buffers/cache:   2,3G   1,0G
Swap: 6,5G44M   6,4G

et dans dmesg:

[7.865137] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, 
you should use it instead of the native driver
[7.865140] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 
0x0480-0x04af conflicts with OpRegion 
0x0480-0x04af (\GPR2) (20140424/utaddress-258)
[7.865143] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, 
you should use it instead of the native driver

[7.865169] lpc_ich: Resource conflict(s) found affecting gpio_ich


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[  391.197747] perf interrupt took too long (2508  2500), lowering 
kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5
[ 4685.729105] snd_hda_intel :00:1b.0: IRQ timing workaround is 
activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.



je ne sais pas trop quoi faire!!








Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread mireero

On 05/29/2015 10:30 AM, Grégoire COUTANT wrote:

Bonjour à tous,
Lors de la MàJ d'un paquet (mysql-server-5.6), le processus a planté sur
une erreur de MàJ corrigé quelques jours plus tard par le mainteneur du
paquet.

Mais maintenant je ne peux plus effectuer aucune MàJ sans que MySQL
plante car il y a une incohérence entre la version installée et la
version retournée par le serveur et je ne sais pas comment résoudre ce
souci.

Lors d'un #aptitude safe-upgrade :

Preparing to replace mysql-server-5.6 5.6.21-1~dotdeb.1 (using
/mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb) ...
Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
cp: cannot overwrite directory
`/var/lib/mysql-upgrade/DATADIR.link/mysql' with non-directory
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb
(--unpack):
  subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[...]
Errors were encountered while processing:
  /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.6_5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3_amd64.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[...]
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server-5.6:
  mysql-server-5.6 depends on mysql-server-core-5.6 (=
5.6.21-1~dotdeb.1); however:
   Version of mysql-server-core-5.6 on system is 5.6.23-1~dotdeb.3.
dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.6 (--configure):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured


Pourtant lorsque je demande en CLI la version de MySQL j'obtiens :

# mysql --version
mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.6.23, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using
EditLine wrapper

MySQL 5.6.23 est bien installée manifestement mais le serveur essaie de
réinstaller cette version quand même et plante !

Savez-vous comment sortir de cette situation ?

Merci

Greg



Désolé si ça semble trivial!
Est-ce que tu peux te permettre une réinstallation (genre aptitude 
remove puis install ou direct reinstall)?


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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread ken

On 05/27/2015 09:06 PM, Frank wrote:

This is long so I hope all can read till the end.

I access all my mail through Thunderbird using IMAP. It has always been
flawless until yesterday.
When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact nothing
had changed.

They keep changing my password through their facilities...and
when I run Thunderbird with the new password it connects fine.
But if I close Thunderbird and go back in, the old cannot logon to
IMAP is back.

Three separate calls to support at Videotron resulted in them
eventually claiming (on the third call) that my system had been
compromised. I told them that was unlikely as I am not running
Windows. He then spoke with their security department who said
it was possible the system had been compromised...that Linux and
Mac are subject to root-kits and other viruses.

I have checked (with chkrootkit) and as far as it is concerned,
there is nothing wrong.

The strange thing is this: I have 3 separate mail accounts with
Videotron...but only the main one (which is under my name)  is
giving this trouble. This one which I use for this list is fine
as is a second less important account.


It seems I can't convince them the problem is at their endor
perhaps something else is going on here ?


First, I wouldn't believe at all what they say about your system having 
been compromised.  They don't know anything at all about linux and 
somehow they diagnosed over the phone  that you have a virus???  Well, 
level one tech support often operates on magical thinking... that's just 
my experience over a lot of years.


Someone already mentioned the problem could be with the number of 
attempted IMAP connections might exceed what you've configured.  I had 
this problem once and fixed it somewhere in my thunderbird 
configuration.  (It was a long time and many versions ago, so even if I 
could remember where that configuration item was, it's probably not in 
the same place anymore anyway.  Poke around for it.  The language for 
that setting is unambiguous.)


This would be a good moment to have a dual-boot machine, or a VM, with 
Windows running on it.  Failing those, if you have a smart phone, there 
are IMAP-based email apps.  It would literally take ten minutes to 
download and set up.  I run K-9 on mine and it works well; I use it 
routinely every day to check email.  Even though, generally speaking, 
most android smart phones are *far*, *far*, *far*, *far* less secure 
than linux systems, in my experience level one tech support is much more 
easily persuaded they have a problem if you call them and tell them 
you're running android.  Again, magical thinking.


If your problem still persists, check your network connection.  Try 
pinging their mail server(s) and a few DNSs.  Also the first hop after 
your modem.  Not very often, but still occasionally, I get a problem 
which is resolved by rebooting mine.  I'll reboot my switch and my 
bridge at the same time just to be thorough and because it takes no 
extra time to do so.


Then check your log files.  If I'm on the clock, I do this first (even 
before going to a list for an answer).  But a lot of people are put off, 
and often rightly so, by the obtuse language found there.  But give it a 
try anyway.  You might need to up the verbosity levels, then try again.


There are a few other things which can be done (and I'm probably 
forgetting a couple others), but the above stuff should do the trick on 
a fully upgraded system.






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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread mireero

On 05/29/2015 12:30 PM, Grégoire COUTANT wrote:

Bonjour,

Le 29/05/2015 10:58, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit :

[...]
Apparemment le script de pré-installation de la mise-à-jour tente de
remplacer
ce dossier et ça échoue…


Oui, le mainteneur du paquet a corrigé ce souci (pb de symlink), mais le
souci vient du fait que la version de mysql est bien installé (car mysql
--version sort la dernière version) mais que l'OS lui semble ne pas le
savoir !


Pourquoi utiliser un paquet MySQL provenant d'une autre source que
Debian ?


Mes devs ont besoin de cette version pour certaines fonctionnalités.


Est-ce que le mainteneur du dépôt connait un contournement à ce
problème de
mise-à-jour de _son_ paquet ?


Oui, il l'a corrigé
(https://www.dotdeb.org/2015/02/08/mysql-5-6-23-for-wheezy/) et
d'ailleurs le paquet semble s'être installé. Mon souci vient surtout du
fait que debian ne le sait pas :-/

Grégoire



Oui, debian, enfin les bases de données d'apt pour être plus précis. 
Éventuellement voir comment fonctionne apt, ça peut aider.


C'est l'erreur qui m'intrigue, comme tu en as eu une pendant une 
installation précédente, je me demandais si tu avais toujours un dossier 
/var/lib/mysql-upgrade/ ?

Car chez moi j'en ai pas, et si la réponse est oui, je le supprimerais.

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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Frank

On 05/29/2015 02:31 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:21:05 -0400
Frank debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


On 05/28/2015 02:44 AM, Emil Payne wrote:

On 05/27/2015 10:16 PM, Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:06:10 -0400 Frank sent:


When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact
nothing had changed.


I have no answer. However, with my ISP I periodically have the same
problem. I attempt to log on with claws-mail, without changing
anything, no update, no upgrade to the system. No tinkering,
nothing at all and of the two accounts one gives me this error
message:




Charlie


That's odd. I have 6 gmail and 8 yahoo accounts. Yesterday all six
gmail accounts wanted the passwords reentered. I have thunderbird
set to remember passwords. At first I couldn't even get anything to
enter into the password box, although the checkbox and buttons
worked fine. I restarted my computer and it immediately stopped,
saying no keyboard found, even though pushing F1 continued booting
and ENTER worked at the grub menu. Once booted in I restarted
thunderbird and re-entered the passwords as saved. Everything works
fine now. At the time I had put it down to intermittent power
outages due to t-storms, but now I wonder.

Emil



 The logon failure doesn't bother me as much as what the security
department  at my ISP is claimingthat my system and that account
have been compromised. I can't see how...but that's what they claim.

The weird thing is if, while I am on the phone with them they change
the password for that account, and I enter it into Thunderbird, the
account works fine...until I close Thunderbird and re-open it. Then
no password will be accepted by Thunderbird and we are back at square
one. I'm guessing their system catches the IMAP logon and blocks it,
because as we know my system is infested with malware and viruses.

It's all very frustrating.


I don't quite see why they have any reason to believe your system is
compromised, unless there is something they aren't telling you (and
that would be irresponsible of them, IMHO).


  Well Videotron is not known for their customer service :)




Have you tried with another MUA to see if you get the same behaviour?
And/or tried booting from a live disk and run Thunderbird from that?
This could help determine if the problem is with Thunderbird itself,
your configuration, or somewhere else.



  No, because I was told the logon was blocked by their system...it's a 
combination of an 8 letter customer identifier and password and I guess

as soon as that pops up...I'm outta luck.

Frank


Petter




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Re: when does debian 8.1 come?

2015-05-29 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 20:05 +0800, mudongliang wrote:
 First , when does debian8.1 come?

June 6th.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2015/05/msg00605.html


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Res: Comando para substituir nome arquivo sem perder a numeração

2015-05-29 Thread Carlos Donizete
Obrigado Henrique. T+

Enviado do meu smartphone BlackBerry 10.
  Mensagem original  
De: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Enviada: sexta-feira, 29 de maio de 2015 09:21
Para: Carlos Donizete
Cc: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
Assunto: Re: Comando para substituir nome arquivo sem perder a numeração

On Thu, May 28, 2015, at 20:47, Carlos Donizete wrote:
 Muito fácil este 'mmv', é outro que irei usar sempre.
 
 Testei de primeira e renomeou com um comando tão simples.
 
 Muito obrigado Henrique.

De nada. Me lembro quando descobri o mmv _muito_ tempo atrás num
momento de desespero com zilhões de arquivos para renomear... É sempre
um prazer socializar as alegrias :-)

Duas outras jóias que vale a pena socializar são: 'pv' e 'socat'.

No dia em que você precisar ligar um UNIX socket de uma VM em um UNIX
socket de outra VM, ou qualquer outra loucura absurda que possa ser
resolvida por uma ponte entre qualquer tipo de socket, pipe ou fifo para
um outro socket, pipe ou filtro (inclusive remoto, porque basta colocar
duas pontes dessas com TCP, UDP, SCTP ou um túnel SSH no meio),
lembre-se do socat.

E se quiser acompanhar o progresso de uma transferência entre pipes, e
até mesmo fazer rate-limit numa pipe(!), lembre-se do 'pv' :-)

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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread honeyshell
Free c'est bien, mais TOP c'est mieux ;)

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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 14:14, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
 $ free
total usedfreeshared  buffers   cached
 Mem:  4147716  3468024  679692  9068 198948  2743764
   ^^^

La majorité de ta mémoire sert au cache, elle est donc utilisée parce qu'elle
est libre, et autant s'en servir pour accélérer les autres traitements (accès au
système de fichier par exemple) mais elle reste disponible pour les programmes
qui en auraient besoin.

La mémoire effectivement utilisée sur ton système est 679692 (avec l'option
« -h » ça aurait été plus lisible), donc pas grand-chose.

Sébastien

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Iconos mas pequeños.

2015-05-29 Thread J. OCTAVIO Avalos
Hola,
Os acordais como tengo que hacer en la shell para que los iconos se
muestres un poco mas pequeños. Me olvide. Recurdo que se hacía a
traves de fichero .css pero no recuerdo cual. Ya bucee todos y alguno
de ellos cabe hacerlo pero no estoy seguro.

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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread maderios

On 05/29/2015 02:14 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Bonjour,

Je constate une anormale consommation de mémoire,
aucune application lancée sauf le bureau.
  (Jessie, bureau TDE-trinity, 4Go de ram).

$ free
total usedfreeshared  buffers   cached
Mem:  4147716  3468024  679692  9068 198948  2743764
-/+ buffers/cache: 5253123622404
Swap: 2074620   0 2074620

soit 3,4Go d'utilisé et 680 Mo de libre !

C'est insensé : que faire ?


Pas normal.
Lancer X avec un autre environnement de bureau que Trinity et comparer


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Re: when does debian 8.1 come?

2015-05-29 Thread mudongliang


On 05/29/2015 08:37 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

On Fri, May 29, 2015, at 09:05, mudongliang wrote:

First , when does debian8.1 come?

It is planned for June 6th 2015.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2015/05/msg00605.html


Second, I know the development of debian big version (for Debian 7 - 8).

oldstable-stable-testing - unstable
wheezy  Jessiestretchsid

I'm using testing version now!

Using 'testing' in the start of a release cycle can be even more
troublesome than using unstable.  I hope you know what you're doing.

I know what I am doing. My computer is only a notebook ,not server,
and only for myself! I want to experience this process from testing
 to stable! When Jessie is testing , I move from when jessie is frozen
 to stable!Now I will experience the whole process!



How is the development about small version (like debian 8.1)?

Time between stable point releases (small versions) varies.

Developers do contiuous backporting of fixes to stable through uploads
to the 'stable-proposed-updates' and 'stable-updates' archives, as well
as the 'security' archive.

When the time is near to freeze and prepare the next point release, we
get a warning from the stable release managers in the development
mailing lists, like the one I linked above.  The freeze is fast, usually
just one week.

As you said before , I will not upgrade to Debian8.1. Because I have using
testing as my apt source! If you are using stable version now ,
you will accept the update from  'stable-proposed-updates' and 
'stable-updates' archives!

And you will upgrade to Debian8.1. Is it?
When you upgrade to Debian 8.1 , what does the setting  show, Debian 8 
or Debian8.1?


You could activate 'stable-proposed-updates' in the apt sources lists,
and you will get early access to packages being considered for the next
stable update.   Be sure to report any errors, early testing of
stable-proposed-updates is a very valuable service for the community.

I have a doubt about what you have said! I have used testing  in apt 
source!

You said I could activate stable-proposed-updates, did you?
It is for stable! Why can I add it to my computer?
mudongliang


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Re: when does debian 8.1 come?

2015-05-29 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi,

mudongliang mudonglianga...@hotmail.com (2015-05-29):
 First , when does debian8.1 come?

dda@
→ https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/05/msg5.html
→ https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2015/05/msg00605.html

 Second, I know the development of debian big version (for Debian 7 - 8).
 
 oldstable-stable-testing - unstable
 wheezy  Jessiestretchsid
 
 I'm using testing version now!
 How is the development about small version (like debian 8.1)?

In addition to merging stuff from security, we have proposed-updates:
  
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#upload-stable

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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 12:29, Grégoire COUTANT a écrit :
 Le 29/05/2015 11:14, mireero a écrit :
 Est-ce que tu peux te permettre une réinstallation (genre aptitude
 remove puis install ou direct reinstall)?
 
 J'y ai pensé mais les bases de développement sont sur ce serveur (ça c'est
 pas grave, ça peut se couper), mais également deux bases de production qui
 avait besoin de cette version, donc je cherche une solution autre avant de
 tenter une réinstallation.

Commence déjà par faire une bonne sauvegarde du contenu du dossier de MySQL
(/var/lib/mysql ?) et un dump de l'ensemble de tes bases, tu seras plus serein
pour la suite.

Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 12:27, Grégoire COUTANT a écrit :
 Le 29/05/2015 10:58, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit :
 Apparemment le script de pré-installation de la mise-à-jour tente de 
 remplacer
 ce dossier et ça échoue…
 
 Oui, le mainteneur du paquet a corrigé ce souci (pb de symlink), mais le
 souci vient du fait que la version de mysql est bien installé (car mysql
 --version sort la dernière version) mais que l'OS lui semble ne pas le
 savoir !

En fait, je pense que le paquet doit être dans un état non-configuré, donc le
système (ou plus précisément le gestionnaire de paquets) tente de le configurer.
Il le tentera également si tu installes un paquet quel qu'il soit.

 Est-ce que le mainteneur du dépôt connait un contournement à ce problème de
 mise-à-jour de _son_ paquet ?
 
 Oui, il l'a corrigé
 (https://www.dotdeb.org/2015/02/08/mysql-5-6-23-for-wheezy/) et d'ailleurs
 le paquet semble s'être installé. Mon souci vient surtout du fait que debian
 ne le sait pas :-/

Apparemment Frank a réussi à s'en sortir en supprimant le lien symbolique et en
créant un dossier vide après avoir défini le datadir [1]. Est-ce que tu as
essayé ?

1: https://www.dotdeb.org/2015/02/08/mysql-5-6-23-for-wheezy/#comment-34425

Tu peux aussi tenter de remplacer ton lien symbolique par un montage « bind »,
certains outils n'aiment pas trop rencontrer des liens symboliques sur leur
chemin…

Sébastien

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Re: Iconos mas pequeños.

2015-05-29 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 29 May 2015 15:02:49 +0200, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 Hola,
 Os acordais como tengo que hacer en la shell para que los iconos se
 muestres un poco mas pequeños. Me olvide. Recurdo que se hacía a traves
 de fichero .css pero no recuerdo cual. Ya bucee todos y alguno de ellos
 cabe hacerlo pero no estoy seguro.

Para los iconos del escritorio había una opción global desde donde 
hacerlo porque yo los tengo a 22 px pero no recuerdo dónde está :-?
En cualquier caso, pulsando son el botón derecho sobre los iconos te 
permite redimensionarlos (uno a uno).

Para los del panel de actividades se hace desde el archivo /usr/share/
gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css (si usas el tema predeterminado), 
valores icon-grid* y .all-app*

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Two network cards

2015-05-29 Thread michael-spree-michael
Hello,

It used to be that one can use two network cards at the same time, after
configuring /etc/network/interfaces and making the networks static.

This I did.

The results; the wifi card won't connect and the wired connected.

Is this something different in Jessie?

Thanks a lot in advance.


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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Frank

On 05/29/2015 02:35 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:

On Fri, 29 May 2015 08:31:49 +0200
Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote:


On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:21:05 -0400
Frank debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


On 05/28/2015 02:44 AM, Emil Payne wrote:

On 05/27/2015 10:16 PM, Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:06:10 -0400 Frank sent:


When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with
my ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact
nothing had changed.


I have no answer. However, with my ISP I periodically have the
same problem. I attempt to log on with claws-mail, without
changing anything, no update, no upgrade to the system. No
tinkering, nothing at all and of the two accounts one gives me
this error message:




Charlie


That's odd. I have 6 gmail and 8 yahoo accounts. Yesterday all six
gmail accounts wanted the passwords reentered. I have thunderbird
set to remember passwords. At first I couldn't even get anything
to enter into the password box, although the checkbox and buttons
worked fine. I restarted my computer and it immediately stopped,
saying no keyboard found, even though pushing F1 continued booting
and ENTER worked at the grub menu. Once booted in I restarted
thunderbird and re-entered the passwords as saved. Everything
works fine now. At the time I had put it down to intermittent
power outages due to t-storms, but now I wonder.

Emil



 The logon failure doesn't bother me as much as what the
security department  at my ISP is claimingthat my system and
that account have been compromised. I can't see how...but that's
what they claim.

The weird thing is if, while I am on the phone with them they change
the password for that account, and I enter it into Thunderbird, the
account works fine...until I close Thunderbird and re-open it. Then
no password will be accepted by Thunderbird and we are back at
square one. I'm guessing their system catches the IMAP logon and
blocks it, because as we know my system is infested with malware
and viruses.

It's all very frustrating.


I don't quite see why they have any reason to believe your system is
compromised, unless there is something they aren't telling you (and
that would be irresponsible of them, IMHO).

Have you tried with another MUA to see if you get the same behaviour?
And/or tried booting from a live disk and run Thunderbird from that?
This could help determine if the problem is with Thunderbird itself,
your configuration, or somewhere else.


Oh, and are you using IMAP? If so, try POP3 - or the other way around.


  No, I haven't tried POP3 for the same reason as I havn't tried another
MUA...the logon identifier is blocked.




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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Frank

On 05/29/2015 06:04 AM, ken wrote:

On 05/27/2015 09:06 PM, Frank wrote:

This is long so I hope all can read till the end.

I access all my mail through Thunderbird using IMAP. It has always been
flawless until yesterday.
When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact nothing
had changed.

They keep changing my password through their facilities...and
when I run Thunderbird with the new password it connects fine.
But if I close Thunderbird and go back in, the old cannot logon to
IMAP is back.

Three separate calls to support at Videotron resulted in them
eventually claiming (on the third call) that my system had been
compromised. I told them that was unlikely as I am not running
Windows. He then spoke with their security department who said
it was possible the system had been compromised...that Linux and
Mac are subject to root-kits and other viruses.

I have checked (with chkrootkit) and as far as it is concerned,
there is nothing wrong.

The strange thing is this: I have 3 separate mail accounts with
Videotron...but only the main one (which is under my name)  is
giving this trouble. This one which I use for this list is fine
as is a second less important account.


It seems I can't convince them the problem is at their endor
perhaps something else is going on here ?


First, I wouldn't believe at all what they say about your system having
been compromised.  They don't know anything at all about linux and
somehow they diagnosed over the phone  that you have a virus???  Well,
level one tech support often operates on magical thinking... that's just
my experience over a lot of years.

Someone already mentioned the problem could be with the number of
attempted IMAP connections might exceed what you've configured.  I had
this problem once and fixed it somewhere in my thunderbird
configuration.  (It was a long time and many versions ago, so even if I
could remember where that configuration item was, it's probably not in
the same place anymore anyway.  Poke around for it.  The language for
that setting is unambiguous.)

This would be a good moment to have a dual-boot machine, or a VM, with
Windows running on it.  Failing those, if you have a smart phone, there
are IMAP-based email apps.  It would literally take ten minutes to
download and set up.

//snip//

  This is a dual-boot machine with Windows8 ...Debian and Fedora 21.
The same problem shows in Fedora because the Thunderbird config 
directory is mounted by Fedora using Bind...so if there were a

config problem it would also appear there.

As an aside I'm almost afraid to boot Windows now :) I haven't booted 
into Windows for weeks now


My Smartphone running Android also could not connect to that
account






If your problem still persists, check your network connection.  Try
pinging their mail server(s) and a few DNSs.  Also the first hop after
your modem.  Not very often, but still occasionally, I get a problem
which is resolved by rebooting mine.  I'll reboot my switch and my
bridge at the same time just to be thorough and because it takes no
extra time to do so.


   I rebooted the modem and the router almost as soon as the problem
appeared.



Then check your log files.  If I'm on the clock, I do this first (even
before going to a list for an answer).  But a lot of people are put off,
and often rightly so, by the obtuse language found there.  But give it a
try anyway.  You might need to up the verbosity levels, then try again.



   I checked the logs but couldn't see anything of interest there.

 Frank


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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Frank

On 05/29/2015 06:52 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote:

Frank debianl...@videotron.ca writes:


On 05/28/2015 02:44 AM, Emil Payne wrote:

On 05/27/2015 10:16 PM, Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:06:10 -0400 Frank sent:


When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact nothing
had changed.


I have no answer. However, with my ISP I periodically have the same
problem. I attempt to log on with claws-mail, without changing anything,
no update, no upgrade to the system. No tinkering, nothing at all and of
the two accounts one gives me this error message:




Charlie


That's odd. I have 6 gmail and 8 yahoo accounts. Yesterday all six gmail
accounts wanted the passwords reentered. I have thunderbird set to
remember passwords. At first I couldn't even get anything to enter into
the password box, although the checkbox and buttons worked fine. I
restarted my computer and it immediately stopped, saying no keyboard
found, even though pushing F1 continued booting and ENTER worked at the
grub menu. Once booted in I restarted thunderbird and re-entered the
passwords as saved. Everything works fine now. At the time I had put it
down to intermittent power outages due to t-storms, but now I wonder.

Emil



The logon failure doesn't bother me as much as what the security
department  at my ISP is claimingthat my system and that account
have been compromised. I can't see how...but that's what they claim.


It might be possible that someone got hold of your password and is using
your ISPs relay to send out spam. I've seen that happen more than once
in real life.


  They'd need more than my password---Videotron uses an 8-letter 
customer identifier and a password to logon via IMAP/POP3/SMTP. Unless 
they managed to get a hold of both it wouldn't work although I guess 
it's possible (Murphy's Law).





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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread mireero

On 05/29/2015 02:50 PM, Sébastien NOBILI wrote:

Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 14:14, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

$ free
total usedfreeshared  buffers   cached
Mem:  4147716  3468024  679692  9068 198948  2743764

^^^

La majorité de ta mémoire sert au cache, elle est donc utilisée parce qu'elle
est libre, et autant s'en servir pour accélérer les autres traitements (accès au
système de fichier par exemple) mais elle reste disponible pour les programmes
qui en auraient besoin.

La mémoire effectivement utilisée sur ton système est 679692 (avec l'option
« -h » ça aurait été plus lisible), donc pas grand-chose.

Sébastien



Salut, je voulais juste corriger une légère erreur :

totalused   freeshared  buffers cached
Mem:4147716  3468024679692  9068198948  2743764
-/+ buffers/cache:   525312 3622404
Swap:   2074620  0  2074620

2ème ligne:
525312 = Utilisée
3622404 = libre


Toute l'info (sauf swap) est données sur la 1ère ligne, la 2ème n'est 
qu'un helper:

Utilisée = used - shared - buffers (3468024 - 198948 - 2743764 = 525312)
Libre = total - Utilisée (4147716 - 525312 = 3622404)

Ce qui m'a troublé à une époque, c'est que je n'avais pas compris que 
les titres *total*, *used* et *free* s'appliquaient aux _3_ lignes.


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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread Frank

On 05/28/2015 10:06 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 05/27/2015 06:06 PM, Frank wrote:

I access all my mail through Thunderbird using IMAP. It has always been
flawless until yesterday.

snip///

When I went into Thunderbird at mid-day one of my accounts with my
ISP Videotron.ca registered a logon failure..despite the fact nothing
had changed.



It seems I can't convince them the problem is at their endor
perhaps something else is going on here ?


The burden of proof is on the accuser.  Send an e-mail message to
Videotron.ca via your primary Videotron.ca e-mail account, outline the
problem and Videotron.ca's response, and demand that Videotron.ca
provide evidence, in writing, of your computer doing suspicious or known
bad things.  If Videotron.ca does, post it here, and you and the list
can work to confirm/ isolate the problem(s) and fix your computer.  If
not, Videotron.ca is wasting your time.




David



   Just what I did today. Unfortunately the only way to reach them via
email is through their web-interface..but we'll see what they say...if 
anything. They are not known for customer service :)


Frank






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Re: cambiar punto de auto montaje en jessie

2015-05-29 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 28 May 2015 17:07:37 -0400, Billy Yeffry Fernández Rodríguez
escribió:

(ese html...)

 El 28/05/2015 10:14, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

  A mi me gustaria que cualquier dispositivo que conecte se monte
  siempre en la misma carpeta, en mi caso /media/usb, osea, sin el
  nombre del dispositivo, solo el contenido.
 
  Q me sugieren?

 1/ Que uses puntos de montaje estáticos definidos en /etc/fstab o si
 usas systemd donde quiera que los defina systemd.

 2/ Que para los puntos de montaje estáticos (fijos) no uses el
 directorio /media para evitar posibles conflictos con otros nombres
 dinámicos. /mnt es una buena opción.

 3/ Que cada dispositivo use una nomenclatura distinta es por algo y es
 para evitar conflictos en caso de que intentes montar dos al mismo
 tiempo. No me parece buena idea que todos se monten en el mismo sitio y
 con el mimos nombre.

 Lo q pasa es q yo usaba debian lenny antesde dar el paso a jessie. Asi q
 para mi todo es muy abstracto y distinto.

En lenny ya funcionaba así también, con una nomenclatura distinta pero se 
montaban bajo /media/[llave]

 Lo q quiero hacer es q con rdesktop cualquier memoria q se conecte al
 equipo aparesca en la maquina remota. 

Aparecer, aparecerá en el sistema local donde la conectes y será 
accesible vía remota si lo permites, pero con el sistema predeterminado 
de montaje para los dispositivos extraíbles que es bajo /media/[llave].

 Hasta ahora la unica cosa q se me ocurre es automaticamente montar la
 memoria en una carpeta y con rdesktop hacer q salga como una unidad de
 red en el equipo remoto. Claro q si hay una solucion mas elegante a lo
 q estoy haciendo :D, con gusto acepto sugerencias. Ya que ni a mi me
 convense por completo esto.

Bueno, aquí entre en juego dos cosas:

1/ Montaje de la llave en local
2/ Acceso remoto

La llave USB la puedes montar como prefieras pero en cualquier caso 
siempre es recomendable que el punto de montaje tenga un identificador 
único.

Una vez montada en el equipo local y según los permisos que le hayas dado 
al punto de montaje quien acceda desde rdesktop tendrá (o no) acceso a la 
misma.

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Re: Debian en una placa base

2015-05-29 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 28 May 2015 20:44:33 +0200, Altair Linux escribió:

 Buenas,
 
 estoy mirando esta placa
 
 http://es.gigabyte.com/products/page/mb/ga-b85m-d3hrev_10/download/
 
 para un ordenador con debian estable. Como aparece ahi, solo ponen
 drivers para varias versiones de windows. Al ser intel y al ser gigabyte
 normalmente significa que sera detectada sin problemas, 

Je, je... esa es buena :-)

Por desgracia los chipset Intel (placa base) no son garantía de nada. 
Cosa aparte son las tarjetas gráficas.

 pero la idea es que despues de instalar debian compilar el kernel a
 medida y no quiero llevarme la sorpresa de que algo de la placa base no
 funcione en linux.

Si compilas un nuevo kernel (más moderno) tendrás menos problemas que si 
usas el predeterminado ya que los kernels recientes tienen soporte para 
mayor cantidad de hardware y más actual.

 Hay cosas que si tienen driver en linux, se supone que funcionan, por
 ejemplo:
 Realtek HD Audio Driver, aunque no es que sea reciente: Linux driver
 (3.0), 5.18rc8, 2014/5/21
 
 vamos que... saco el tema por si acaso, para evitar encontrarme con
 alguna sorpresita.
 
 Gracias

En Phoronix analizaron¹ una placa de MSI con chipset Intel B85 Express, 
echa un ojo a ver qué comentan pero vaya, en resumen:

Overall, if you're after a low-cost Intel Haswell motherboard that's low-
priced (circa $60 USD), micro-ATX, and don't need many features (just two 
USB 3.0 ports, two Serial ATA 3.0 ports, etc), but most importantly is 
Linux-friendly and can work out of the box with modern versions of 
Ubuntu and other Linux distributions, the MSI B85M-P33 is a nice 
candidate for the price and has been running flawlessly thus far within 
our test farm where it's enduring load near constantly.

¹http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=msi_b85m_haswellnum=1

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Sustituir campos en base de datos

2015-05-29 Thread Debia Linux
Debianeros:

Buenos dias tengan ustedes.

Tengo una base de datos en texto con 20 campos diferentes. Algunos se
cambian constantemente. De hecho es una agenda la que me pidieron
desarrollar.

Imaginemos que la agenda tiene 100 eventos para realizar durante todo
el año. Cada evento tiene su clave del evento, nombre del evento,
fecha del evento, la hora que comienza y nombre del responsable.

Vlave del evento|nombre evento|fecha del evento|hora del
evento|persona responsable|

Como lo comento nuevamente son 100 eventos diferentes, solo que las
mayoria de las veces los eventos cambian de fecha o cambia el nombre
del responsable.

La idea es cambiar la fecha del evento y podria yo usar el comando sed
o el comando awk para realizar dicha sustitucion, pero este
sustituiria todas las coincidencias en toda la base. La idea sería que
ubicara la clave del evento y por ende trabajara unicamente en esa
linea.

Alguna idea (se usar basicamente el comando awk, me imagino que con
este seria mas que suficiente para realizar dicha tarea).

Gracias

Atentamente
Debianeromx


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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 15:26, mireero a écrit :
 Salut, je voulais juste corriger une légère erreur :

[...]

 Utilisée = used - shared - buffers (3468024 - 198948 - 2743764 = 525312)
 Libre = total - Utilisée (4147716 - 525312 = 3622404)

Merci pour la rectification. Je me suis un peu emmêlé dans ma réponse
précédente…

 On 05/29/2015 02:50 PM, Sébastien NOBILI wrote:
 La mémoire effectivement utilisée sur ton système est 679692 (avec l'option
 « -h » ça aurait été plus lisible), donc pas grand-chose.

679692 est la valeur donnée dans la colonne « free », il ne s'agit donc
évidemment pas de la quantité de mémoire utilisée…

Sébastien

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Re: when does debian 8.1 come?

2015-05-29 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 09:19:01PM +0800, mudongliang wrote:
 When you upgrade to Debian 8.1 , what does the setting  show, Debian 8 or
 Debian8.1?

I don't know what exactly you mean by setting, but the way
/etc/debian_version, /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net are usually handled
for point releases is explained in the base-files FAQ. See:

/usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ

However, Debian 8.1, when released, will still be jessie.

If you use testing in /etc/apt/sources.list right now, then you are
already using the new testing (stretch), and whatever happens in
jessie will be mostly irrelevant for you, as you are already using
more recent software.


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Kicad yazdırma problemi

2015-05-29 Thread Serkan KURT
Merhabalar. Kicad ile oluşturduğum PCB ler yazdırma ön izlemede düzgün 
görünüyor fakat yazıcı çıktısında sadece pad'ler görünüyor. SVG ya da PLOT ile 
kaydedip pdf'e dönüştürdüğümde ise çıktı %100 ölçülerden daha küçük çıkıyor. 
Yardımcı olabilecek kimse var mı?
Sistem : Debian 8.0 stable, KDE


Re: Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Jochen Spieker
Petter Adsen:
 On Fri, 29 May 2015 11:04:09 +0200
 
 It's probably a good idea to test with the manufacturers own
 diagnostic tool to make sure nothing is wrong with the disk.
 
 I'm starting to suspect that it is. Either that, or the controller on
 the motherboard, which would be even worse.

Or just the cable (if we are not talking about a laptop). I got rid of
similar errors in the past by replacing the SATA cable.

J.
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I throw away plastics and think about the discoveries of future
archeologists.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
 http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html


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Re: Como mudar o file manager padrão do Debian Jessie

2015-05-29 Thread Felipe Duque
Sim, o Okular é vinculado ao KDE, mas já o usei no Gnome sem maiores 
problemas :)


Tenta usar o Zathura, superleve, muito pouca dependência.

On 05/29/2015 11:21 AM, P. J. wrote:

ok, mas acho q okular é vinculado ao kde, ou seja, virá um monte de dependência

Em 29 de maio de 2015 08:43, João Rodrigo Moreira
rodr...@camarapinda.sp.gov.br escreveu:

Obrigado pelas informações. Vou testar usar o Nemo e abrir arquivos com o
Okular.


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Re: Debian en una placa base

2015-05-29 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 28 May 2015 16:06:55 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
escribió:

(...)

 Definitivamente
 ponerle una tarjeta de video nVidia puede no ser la mejor idea y
 seguramente batallarás con los controladores, pero puedes evitarlo tal y
 como te dice José.

Más bien al contrario, a día de hoy (más bien desde siempre) una tarjeta 
nVidia te asegura mejor rendimiento y soporte con los drivers 
propietarios, en mucho mejor estado que los de ATI ;-(

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Re: weird problem with one mail account in Thunderbird....ISP or what ?

2015-05-29 Thread ken

On 05/29/2015 06:04 AM, ken wrote:

...the above stuff should do the trick on a fully upgraded system.


I meant to say updated.


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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread andre_debian

On Friday 29 May 2015 15:26:26 mireero wrote:
 Salut, je voulais juste corriger une légère erreur :
   totalused   freeshared  buffers cached
 Mem:  4147716  3468024679692  9068198948  2743764
 -/+ buffers/cache:   525312   3622404
 Swap: 2074620  0  2074620
 2ème ligne:
 525312 = Utilisée
 3622404 = libre
 Toute l'info (sauf swap) est données sur la 1ère ligne, la 2ème n'est
 qu'un helper:
 Utilisée = used - shared - buffers (3468024 - 198948 - 2743764 = 525312)
 Libre = total - Utilisée (4147716 - 525312 = 3622404)
 Ce qui m'a troublé à une époque, c'est que je n'avais pas compris que
 les titres *total*, *used* et *free* s'appliquaient aux _3_ lignes.
 mireero

$ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:4147716 kB
MemFree:  339912 kB

$ free -m
total used   free  sharedbuffers  cached
40503718   331  9 195   2698
-/+ buffers/cache: 823  3226
Swap: 
2025 0   2025

# free -m
total used   free sharedbuffers  cached
16038   8381  7656   0  395  6032
-/+ buffers/cache: 1953  14084
Swap: 
308203082

# free -t
total used  free  shared  buffers  cached
1642325685898927833364   0 405252  6177320
-/+ buffers/cache:  2007320 14415936
Swap: 
  3156768  0   3156768
195800248589892   10990132

$ free -t
total usedfreesharedbuffers cached
4147716  3848464  299252  10016 2009762766640
-/+ buffers/cache:   8808483266868
Swap:  
2074620   02074620
6222336  3848464 2373872

Les résultats varient selon la commande free lancée en user ou en root :
Total mémoire : $ = 4Go et # 1,6 Go.  Pourquoi  ?

André

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Re: Pb MàJ paquet MySQL

2015-05-29 Thread Grégoire COUTANT

Bonjour à tous,

Le 29/05/2015 14:14, mireero a écrit :

[...]
Oui, debian, enfin les bases de données d'apt pour être plus précis.
Éventuellement voir comment fonctionne apt, ça peut aider.

C'est l'erreur qui m'intrigue, comme tu en as eu une pendant une
installation précédente, je me demandais si tu avais toujours un dossier
/var/lib/mysql-upgrade/ ?
Car chez moi j'en ai pas, et si la réponse est oui, je le supprimerais.



J'ai testé cette solution et après un aptitude safe-upgrade tout est 
rentré dans l'ordre :-)


Merci à toi et à tous les autres qui ont proposé des solutions que je 
n'ai pas eu à tester au final !


Très bon week-end à tous

Greg

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Re: Two network cards

2015-05-29 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-05-29, michael-spree-michael michael-spree-mich...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hello,

 It used to be that one can use two network cards at the same time, after
 configuring /etc/network/interfaces and making the networks static.

 This I did.

 The results; the wifi card won't connect and the wired connected.

 Is this something different in Jessie?

 Thanks a lot in advance.


What's the wifi card? It could be that it requires non-free firmware.

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Re: Iconos mas pequeños.

2015-05-29 Thread Juan Lavieri
Hola.


El 29 de mayo de 2015, 8:32, J. OCTAVIO Avalos octavioava...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Hola,
 Os acordais como tengo que hacer en la shell para que los iconos se
 muestres un poco mas pequeños. Me olvide. Recurdo que se hacía a
 traves de fichero .css pero no recuerdo cual. Ya bucee todos y alguno
 de ellos cabe hacerlo pero no estoy seguro.


​Si sigues este enlace:

http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2011/03/customizing-the-gnome-3-shell.html#ixzz1atV8Lkvo

veras entre las dos últimas capturas de pantalla lo necesario.  Además hay
varias cosas interesantes en ese post, por ello te lo sugiero.

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Re: problema vistas previas xfce 4.10

2015-05-29 Thread libreydivagante



El 29/05/15 a las 14:06, Haylem Candelario Bauzá escibió:


Hola, estoy usando debian 8 jessie con xfce 4.10. El problema es que de
buenas a primera ayer me dí cuenta que no me estaba mostrando las vistas
previas de fotos, pdf, ni nada en el thunar, no sé que pudo haber pasado.
Tambien he instalado otros programas que necesitaba pero tenían
dependencia de algunos paquetes de gnome3.14 y otros de kde. Como puedo
recuperar las vistas previas en thunar?
Tambien al abrir el visor de imágenes de xfce la lista de fotos aparece
con un icono de cancelar en vez de mostrarme la vista de cada foto. Las
fotos que se abren si se ven pero nada de vistas previas de nungun tipo en
el visor.

Debo reinstalar algún paquete que dudo que sea xfce competo el que haya
que instalar. Y si es así que paquete es el que controla eso?



Tenes instalado el paquete thunar-archive-plugin ?

buscalo en aptitude, synaptic o bien haciendo un simple:

apt-get install thunar-archive-plugin (si no es lo instala, si esta no 
realiza nada).


Saludos.


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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Curt
On 2015-05-29, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote:

 Happily, /lib/systemd/system/gdm.service and /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service
 are linked, which, AIUI, is the unix way. gdm is the GNOME Display Manager
 regardless of the version of GNOME.

In Squeeze

root@einstein:/home/curty# service gdm stop
gdm: unrecognized service

therefore

service gdm3 stop

(SysVinit).

Some people might have been confused by the fact that the name of the
package in Squeeze (gdm3) doesn't correspond to the version
(2.30.5-6squeeze5).


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Strange problem with *.local / avahi / zeroconf

2015-05-29 Thread b-misc
Hi list,

I've a very strange problem in my home network:
One machine runs apache2 with services like owncloud as well as avahi-daemon. 
Other machines (clients) connect to it, e.g. with the owncloud client, using 
hostname.local as URL.

After some time, maybe 2 or 3 minutes or so, the other machines loose the 
connection. In a browser I cannot connect, I cannot ping, nothing. It's 
absolute reproducable.

If I restart a client, it can reconnect, but only for a few minutes. This 
happens for both, Jessie and Mac OS clients.

I went already through a reset of the router, no effect.

How can I find the cause of this problem?

Thanks a lot for any help!
B.


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Re: Missing audio notifications

2015-05-29 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 17:17 -0500, Jose Martinez wrote:
 I am a relatively new Debian user.  I had my system set up properly and 
 everything seemed to be working well.  I used the Pithos front-end for 
 the pandora service (which I like fairly well, by the way) which caused 
 all of my audio notifications from the gnome system to stop.  I no 
 longer get the sounds from the various parts of the system notifying me 
 of changes, i.e. icedove pops up a visual notification that I have 
 recieved new e-mail, but the sound that had been associated with that no 
 longer happens.  This is not isolated to icedove.  The system used to 
 make a sound when I changed the volume level using my mouse wheel which 
 no longer occurs either.
 
 The audio on the system does work.  I can play MP3 files through 
 Rhythmbox or other audio player.  I can play movies with audio, etc.  So 
 the audio sub-system of the computer is functional.  It is just the 
 alerts that do not work.  I went to the system settings and made sure 
 that alerts were turned on and the volume for them was turned up.  They 
 were and it was.  I adjusted both anyway, and this made no difference. 
 Basically none of the sounds coming from the operating system are 
 functional.
 
 What should I look at/check to solve this problem.  Again, I have been 
 able to isolate the problem as having started when I used the Pithos 
 package.  I am using an older laptop system, an HP Pavilion dv9000 
 system, if that makes any difference.
 
 Anyone with any information/help will be greatly appreciated.

A couple of things to check:

gnome-session-canberra is installed? 

Double check that /org/gnome/desktop/sound/event-sounds is checked
(dconf-editor)

Does canberra-gtk-play --id=dialog-error play a sound or give any
output?

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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread David Wright
Quoting Curt (cu...@free.fr):
 On 2015-05-29, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  He wants to install a video driver, and needs to do so with X not running.  
 
  https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8OJ-8BjL=6g6v_ucfnzeh+lkpc7ap_uuxzvumg620b...@mail.gmail.com
 
  startx was mentioned by someone else as a means of getting back to X after 
  installing the driver.
 
 
 It would have been more friendly and convenient had he asked a question
 that corresponded to my answer

I like it!

With no criticism of anybody implied, the OP asked the question How
do I boot into a text only session, without the GUI being loaded, if
that is possible, (which corresponded to the Subject line) but added
so that I can be able to perform this awkward installation?

Consequently the responses divided according to how much weight they
gave to the second part, which might imply that root access was going
to be required at some point. From the original narrative, it wasn't
clear that rebooting would be required for the installation itself.

 Is this the thread where I said 'gdm3 service stop' rather than 'gdm
 service stop' for Squeeze?  And you said you thought Squeeze used Gnome2
 (confusing the display manager version with the version of the graphical
 desktop environment)?   I don't remember.  For those who wish to start X
 from the console permanently-speaking, well, there ya go, disable or
 remove the display manager is one way to skin that cat.  

Happily, /lib/systemd/system/gdm.service and /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service
are linked, which, AIUI, is the unix way. gdm is the GNOME Display Manager
regardless of the version of GNOME.

But, as a startx user, what are the benefits of running gdm rather
than, say, having startx at the end of .bash_profile?

Cheers,
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problema vistas previas xfce 4.10

2015-05-29 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá

Hola, estoy usando debian 8 jessie con xfce 4.10. El problema es que de
buenas a primera ayer me dí cuenta que no me estaba mostrando las vistas
previas de fotos, pdf, ni nada en el thunar, no sé que pudo haber pasado.
Tambien he instalado otros programas que necesitaba pero tenían
dependencia de algunos paquetes de gnome3.14 y otros de kde. Como puedo
recuperar las vistas previas en thunar?
Tambien al abrir el visor de imágenes de xfce la lista de fotos aparece
con un icono de cancelar en vez de mostrarme la vista de cada foto. Las
fotos que se abren si se ven pero nada de vistas previas de nungun tipo en
el visor.

Debo reinstalar algún paquete que dudo que sea xfce competo el que haya
que instalar. Y si es así que paquete es el que controla eso?

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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, 29 May 2015 18:26:13 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:

 On 2015-05-29, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote:
 
  Happily, /lib/systemd/system/gdm.service and 
  /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service
  are linked, which, AIUI, is the unix way. gdm is the GNOME Display Manager
  regardless of the version of GNOME.
 
 In Squeeze
 
 root@einstein:/home/curty# service gdm stop
 gdm: unrecognized service

Which only shows that you don't have 'gdm' package installed.

 
 therefore
 
 service gdm3 stop
 
 (SysVinit).

Which shows that you have 'gdm3' package installed.

 Some people might have been confused by the fact that the name of the
 package in Squeeze (gdm3) doesn't correspond to the version
 (2.30.5-6squeeze5).

But the most confusion comes from the fact that Squeeze actually
provided both GDM2 and GDM3 :)

Reco


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Re: darse de baja

2015-05-29 Thread Debia Linux
Jajaja

Afortunadamente tengo filtro para este tipo de mensajes... A tal grado
que sin querer hasta hoy lo lei porpura casualidad.

Debianeromx

2014-11-16 20:34 GMT-06:00 Angel Claudio Alvarez an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar:
 El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:35:54 -0300
 Paulo Riquelme olivar...@gmail.com escribió:


 La ayuda en base a experiencia propia pienso que es súper bien
 recibida, aunque siempre habrán diferencias muy pequeñas que hagan
 distinta cada situación, pero lo de leer el man, sinceramente y con la
 seguridad de que obtendré algunos calificativos no muy aceptables, me
 atreveré a decirte que yo uso el computador por las utilidades que me
 presta, pero de verdad, con mucho respeto y aprecio a quienes brindan
 su tiempo para otros en esta lista, yo no vivo para conocer más mi
 sistema operativo, si en algún momento tengo algún problema, busco y
 si encuentro la solución bien, si me mandas a leer un manual así en
 pelota, voy a seguir buscando en otra parte una respuesta más clara.
 Para mi suerte Debian está en un momento en que los problemas de uso
 cotidiano son casi inexistentes, pero si llego a tener alguno qué
 bueno que hay gente que con su conocimiento me puede brindar el camino
 a la solución.

 Mira vos, sos pura solidaridad
 O sea que usas a la lista como soporte tecnico, ya que lo unico que haces 
 es buscar soluciones
 y aportar no podes hacerlo ya que no estas interesado en aprender sobre tu 
 S.O. y por ende cualquier aporte que hagas sera basado en una solucion 
 anteriormente publicada.
 Muy bueno lo tuyo
 De mi parte no esperes nunca una ayuda.


 Sobre lo que escriben del exceso de respuestas, las respuestas obvias
 y el aspecto humano que acá se ha mencionado, quizás me equivoco pero
 siento que no van los tres aspectos en el mismo sentido, de hecho para
 mí algunas de esas respuestas obvias me sirven, quitarlas va en contra
 de ser humano con ese pobre ser que como yo quiere usar su sistema
 para labores diarias y no ponerse a modificarlo.

 si queres hacer eso se un poco honesto y paga por el soporte, ya que no 
 devolves de ninguna forma la ayuda que te brindan y que es la base de la 
 comunidad Debian

 Hasta nunca

 saludos


  En fin...
 
  Como dije no se cuestiona las medidas que ella tome con algunos usuarios de
  la lista cuando habla de sus filtros,  tampoco se cuestiona su ayuda,  pero
  si su actitud golosa por decirlo a responder a todo.
 
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Inexpensive Laptop for Debian

2015-05-29 Thread John Aten
Hey all, 

I would like to see if anyone could give some advice or opinions on getting an 
inexpensive laptop to run Debian. I plan to use the machine for lighter duty 
functions; writing, web browsing, programming, etc. Basically, I am looking for 
something with a little more muscle than a Chromebook. Most laptops that I have 
seen that come with Debian or other distros preinstalled seem to be more 
expensive than I would like, so that of course leaves me installing it myself. 
I have researched this, and can never seem to find solid information on the 
laptops that are currently available; the information is usually a little 
dated. 

I have some experience setting up Debian and other distros, but if there are 
problems with hardware configuration, I get out into the deep end fast. I would 
like to avoid any problems that are beyond the reach of my very modest skills.
I see that Dell offers the Inspiron 14 or 15 3000 series non-touch laptop with 
Ubuntu preinstalled; this model is around the price/spec range that I would 
like. I figure, if it runs Ubuntu, then this is possibly a good indication that 
I could install Debian; I was wondering first, if that is a good assumption, 
and also if anyone has had any experience with installing Debian on this 
particular model. (I have an older Inspiron, on which I have had good luck 
installing several different distros, including Debian, but I don't know that 
this really indicates anything either.) Second, aside from this particular 
model, if anyone has recommendations on any other laptops in that price/spec 
range?

I'd appreciate any help and opinions.

Thanks,

J

Re: Sistema de Backup

2015-05-29 Thread Maykel Franco
El día 29 de mayo de 2015, 23:57, OddieX odd...@gmail.com escribió:
 Mira yo uso backuppc y anda 10 puntos! Lo uso con rsync con compresion, es
 muy buena herramienta, yo estoy usando la ultima version que es beta porque
 le encontre mejoras...

 Fijate probala, el bacula la verdad que no me gusta!



 El 29 de mayo de 2015, 16:27, Antonio Insuasti Recalde anto...@insuasti.ec
 escribió:

 Amigos,

 Me han pedido que instale un sistema de backup en la oficina,
 la verdad busque y existen varios, lo que no quiero es poner uno que
 luego me arrepienta,
  entre bareos, bacula y amanda cual es el mejor?,

 Si alguien tiene mas experiencia en estos aplicativos me puede dar una
 idea de cual es el mejor
 es para un entorno mixto ( windows y Linux) tanto servers como
 workstations.


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No sé si me gusta más complicarme la vida o que... Pero desde luego
Bacula es mi favorito. Tiene infinidad de opciones y potentísimo. Es
modular, anda muy muy bien, escrito en C. Te vale para clientes o
servidores windows, mac, linux.

De verdad, una pasada.


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Re: darse de baja

2015-05-29 Thread J. OCTAVIO Avalos
El día 30 de mayo de 2015, 0:13, Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com escribió:
 Jajaja

 Afortunadamente tengo filtro para este tipo de mensajes... A tal grado
 que sin querer hasta hoy lo lei porpura casualidad.

 Debianeromx

 2014-11-16 20:34 GMT-06:00 Angel Claudio Alvarez an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar:
 El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:35:54 -0300
 Paulo Riquelme olivar...@gmail.com escribió:


 La ayuda en base a experiencia propia pienso que es súper bien
 recibida, aunque siempre habrán diferencias muy pequeñas que hagan
 distinta cada situación, pero lo de leer el man, sinceramente y con la
 seguridad de que obtendré algunos calificativos no muy aceptables, me
 atreveré a decirte que yo uso el computador por las utilidades que me
 presta, pero de verdad, con mucho respeto y aprecio a quienes brindan
 su tiempo para otros en esta lista, yo no vivo para conocer más mi
 sistema operativo, si en algún momento tengo algún problema, busco y
 si encuentro la solución bien, si me mandas a leer un manual así en
 pelota, voy a seguir buscando en otra parte una respuesta más clara.
 Para mi suerte Debian está en un momento en que los problemas de uso
 cotidiano son casi inexistentes, pero si llego a tener alguno qué
 bueno que hay gente que con su conocimiento me puede brindar el camino
 a la solución.

 Mira vos, sos pura solidaridad
 O sea que usas a la lista como soporte tecnico, ya que lo unico que haces 
 es buscar soluciones
 y aportar no podes hacerlo ya que no estas interesado en aprender sobre tu 
 S.O. y por ende cualquier aporte que hagas sera basado en una solucion 
 anteriormente publicada.
 Muy bueno lo tuyo
 De mi parte no esperes nunca una ayuda.


 Sobre lo que escriben del exceso de respuestas, las respuestas obvias
 y el aspecto humano que acá se ha mencionado, quizás me equivoco pero
 siento que no van los tres aspectos en el mismo sentido, de hecho para
 mí algunas de esas respuestas obvias me sirven, quitarlas va en contra
 de ser humano con ese pobre ser que como yo quiere usar su sistema
 para labores diarias y no ponerse a modificarlo.

 si queres hacer eso se un poco honesto y paga por el soporte, ya que no 
 devolves de ninguna forma la ayuda que te brindan y que es la base de la 
 comunidad Debian

 Hasta nunca

 saludos


  En fin...
 
  Como dije no se cuestiona las medidas que ella tome con algunos usuarios 
  de
  la lista cuando habla de sus filtros,  tampoco se cuestiona su ayuda,  
  pero
  si su actitud golosa por decirlo a responder a todo.
 
  Saludos.



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lo que contesta o cuanto contesta, es que tu no tienes puta idea de
nada y te jode. De lo contrario si las respuestas no van dirigidas a
ti, te callas o te metes la lengua en el culo que por lo visto tienes
filtro depaso sopla un poco. Pesado de los cojones. Asi que desaparece
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Re: Sistema de Backup

2015-05-29 Thread OddieX
Mira yo uso backuppc y anda 10 puntos! Lo uso con rsync con compresion, es
muy buena herramienta, yo estoy usando la ultima version que es beta porque
le encontre mejoras...

Fijate probala, el bacula la verdad que no me gusta!



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escribió:

 Amigos,

 Me han pedido que instale un sistema de backup en la oficina,
 la verdad busque y existen varios, lo que no quiero es poner uno que
 luego me arrepienta,
  entre bareos, bacula y amanda cual es el mejor?,

 Si alguien tiene mas experiencia en estos aplicativos me puede dar una
 idea de cual es el mejor
 es para un entorno mixto ( windows y Linux) tanto servers como
 workstations.


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Re: migracao postgresql com erro

2015-05-29 Thread Fabricio Cannini

On 29-05-2015 18:28, Fred Maranhão wrote:

É um tiro no escuro, mas talvez possa ser isso:
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/May_2015_Fsync_Permissions_Bug


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Re: Need SAS HBA for Debian Jessie

2015-05-29 Thread Kevin Ross

On 5/3/2015 3:32 PM, Leslie Rhorer wrote:

Does anyone out there have a recommendation for an HBA (preferably non-RAID) 
that is stable, supports drives larger than 2T, is either supported directly in 
the Jessie Kernel or has open source drivers, and either has management 
utilities that either run under Jessie or are open source?


I just recently bought a new LSI SAS 9211-8i directly from China on eBay 
for about $100 with free shipping.  I also bought some SAS-to-SATA 
breakout cables from China for a few bucks.  If you don't mind the wait, 
this is much cheaper than buying from, say, Newegg.


Since you specifically mention HBA preferably non-RAID, I'm not sure why 
you are asking for management software.  I believe that's only useful if 
you're using the card's RAID functionality, which I don't.  I use Linux 
md software RAID, with good results.


Also, it is my understanding that all modern cards support drives larger 
than 2TB, it's the old DOS-style partition table that has the 2TB limit, 
and to create a partition greater than 2TB, you need to use GPT instead 
of MBR partition tables.  That being said, I don't have direct 
experience with drives larger than 2TB.  All the drives in my RAID are 
WD Red 2TB drives.


Hope this helps!
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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread mireero

On 05/29/2015 10:30 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

'ai mis dans mon fstab : noatime :
/dev/sda2  / ext4  defaults,noatime,... 0 1
Faut-il le mettre aussi dans ma partition/home/  dédiée ?


T'as l'art de changer de sujet!
Bon, perso je préfère relatime et si /home correspond à un SSD c'est oui 
sinon... ben oui aussi (si t'as pas besoin des temps d'accès).



et j'ai modifié la valeur de la swap : vm.swappiness = 10
afin que la swap soit utilisée en dernier recours = + de vitesse.
http://geekeries.de-labrusse.fr/?p=1806
la valeur swappiness par défaut est 60.


Ouais, c'est ce qu'on dit.
Moi je laisse la valeur par défaut et ça swappe jamais.
De toute façon, cette valeur n'a d'incidence que lorsque l'on s'approche 
d'une occupation mémoire (sans les buffers/cached) importante.




En tout cas et toujours sur Sirius, même en lançant la commande 'free -m'
seulement (et sous une session utilisateur), j'ai le même résultat que
sous 'root' :

Pas chez moi comme indiqué en haut.
Comme si free indiquait la consommation selon l'utilisateur dont root...


Oui, étrange en effet (et impossible, si c'était possible de dire ça!).
Chez moi, c'est pareil à part quelques Mo pour la session de plus.
Et les lignes concernant la mémoire retournées par la commande 'top', ça 
donne quoi?



Quelle est la quantité de mémoire centrale de l'ordinateur où est installé
ton système GNU/Linux ?
Stéphane

Le terme mémoire centrale me gêne, s'agit-il de la RAM totale ?
si oui = 4Go (2 barettes de 2Go) :
www.commentcamarche.net/contents/751-ordinateur-introduction-a-la-notion-de-memoire

@+ good evening.

André



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Re: darse de baja

2015-05-29 Thread debianeromx



La vida es un continuo aprender y nunca descansar.

 Mensaje original 
De: J. OCTAVIO Avalos
Fecha:29/05/2015 19:22 (GMT-06:00)
A: debian-user-spanish
Asunto: Re: darse de baja

El día 30 de mayo de 2015, 0:13, Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com escribió:
 Jajaja

 Afortunadamente tengo filtro para este tipo de mensajes... A tal grado
 que sin querer hasta hoy lo lei porpura casualidad.

 Debianeromx

 2014-11-16 20:34 GMT-06:00 Angel Claudio Alvarez an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar:
 El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:35:54 -0300
 Paulo Riquelme olivar...@gmail.com escribió:


 La ayuda en base a experiencia propia pienso que es súper bien
 recibida, aunque siempre habrán diferencias muy pequeñas que hagan
 distinta cada situación, pero lo de leer el man, sinceramente y con la
 seguridad de que obtendré algunos calificativos no muy aceptables, me
 atreveré a decirte que yo uso el computador por las utilidades que me
 presta, pero de verdad, con mucho respeto y aprecio a quienes brindan
 su tiempo para otros en esta lista, yo no vivo para conocer más mi
 sistema operativo, si en algún momento tengo algún problema, busco y
 si encuentro la solución bien, si me mandas a leer un manual así en
 pelota, voy a seguir buscando en otra parte una respuesta más clara.
 Para mi suerte Debian está en un momento en que los problemas de uso
 cotidiano son casi inexistentes, pero si llego a tener alguno qué
 bueno que hay gente que con su conocimiento me puede brindar el camino
 a la solución.

 Mira vos, sos pura solidaridad
 O sea que usas a la lista como soporte tecnico, ya que lo unico que haces 
 es buscar soluciones
 y aportar no podes hacerlo ya que no estas interesado en aprender sobre tu 
 S.O. y por ende cualquier aporte que hagas sera basado en una solucion 
 anteriormente publicada.
 Muy bueno lo tuyo
 De mi parte no esperes nunca una ayuda.


 Sobre lo que escriben del exceso de respuestas, las respuestas obvias
 y el aspecto humano que acá se ha mencionado, quizás me equivoco pero
 siento que no van los tres aspectos en el mismo sentido, de hecho para
 mí algunas de esas respuestas obvias me sirven, quitarlas va en contra
 de ser humano con ese pobre ser que como yo quiere usar su sistema
 para labores diarias y no ponerse a modificarlo.

 si queres hacer eso se un poco honesto y paga por el soporte, ya que no 
 devolves de ninguna forma la ayuda que te brindan y que es la base de la 
 comunidad Debian

 Hasta nunca

 saludos


  En fin...
 
  Como dije no se cuestiona las medidas que ella tome con algunos usuarios 
  de
  la lista cuando habla de sus filtros,  tampoco se cuestiona su ayuda,  
  pero
  si su actitud golosa por decirlo a responder a todo.
 
  Saludos.



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salga de los cojones. No te das cuenta lo pesadito que te esta
poniendo con tu obsesiva conducta. Lo que tienes que hacer es parar de
dar el coñazo porque ya llevas por lo menos un año. y si no te gusta
lo que contesta o cuanto contesta, es que tu no tienes puta idea de
nada y te jode. De lo contrario si las respuestas no van dirigidas a
ti, te callas o te metes la lengua en el culo que por lo visto tienes
filtro depaso sopla un poco. Pesado de los cojones. Asi que desaparece
y a remamala por ahi adelante

Definitivamente... quien no puede sabe leer manuales, no podra encontrar 
respuestas, menos aun podra escribir sus expresiones internas.

Saludos

P.D. Lo siento por el html.


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Re: Inexpensive Laptop for Debian

2015-05-29 Thread Doug



On 05/29/2015 10:38 PM, Robert Crawford wrote:


On May 29, 2015 7:04 PM, John Aten welcome.to.eye.o.r...@gmail.com 
mailto:welcome.to.eye.o.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey all,
  I would like to see if anyone could give some advice or opinions on getting 
an inexpensive laptop to run Debian. I plan to use the machine for lighter duty 
functions; writing, web browsing, programming, etc. Basically, I am looking for 
something with a little more muscle than a Chromebook. Most laptops that I have 
seen that come with Debian or other distros preinstalled seem to be more expensive 
than I would like, so that of course leaves me installing it myself. I have 
researched this, and can never seem to find solid information on the laptops that 
are currently available; the information is usually a little dated.
  I have some experience setting up Debian and other distros, but if there are 
problems with hardware configuration, I get out into the deep end fast. I would 
like to avoid any problems that are beyond the reach of my very modest skills.
  I see that Dell offers the Inspiron 14 or 15 3000 series non-touch laptop 
with Ubuntu preinstalled; this model is around the price/spec range that I would 
like. I figure, if it runs Ubuntu, then this is possibly a good indication that I 
could install Debian; I was wondering first, if that is a good assumption, and 
also if anyone has had any experience with installing Debian on this particular 
model. (I have an older Inspiron, on which I have had good luck installing several 
different distros, including Debian, but I don't know that this really indicates 
anything either.) Second, aside from this particular model, if anyone has 
recommendations on any other laptops in that price/spec range?
  I'd appreciate any help and opinions.
 
  Thanks,
 
  J

John,

I just bought a Dell Latitude D810, I installed 80gb ide hard drive. It came 
with 512mb ram. I've install a 512 module until my other ram comes in.  I 2gb 
ordered (total 768mb). I installed Xubuntu 14.04.1 on it. It has a single core 
CPU.  Ethernet and WiFi works. I got everything from EBay. This was a low cost 
laptop. I'm very happy with it.

If you want dual core  sata hd, look for a latitude D820-D830 series.

Robert

I


If you buy a Dell with Windows 7 installed on it, you'd better try and use 
Windows to shrink the partition and make room for Linux. I have a Latitude 
E6510, and I used GParted. Windows or Dell, one or the other, didn't like
that, and I had trouble with an installation of PCLOS. I wound up with a small 
partition directly after Windows with a tiny piece of Linux on it, which is 
otherwise useless, and the real Linux os installed after that partition.
Without that partition, Linux won't play. Actually, that partition started out 
as a large useless partition, but it turned out OK to shrink it down to almost 
nothing, but not eliminate it. Screwy, but true.

I would guess (remember I said *guess*) that if you wipe Windows altogether and 
format the whole drive with ext4 you won't have that problem.

--doug


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Re: darse de baja

2015-05-29 Thread Ricardo C. N.
Lo que no sabes es que Ginsberg Gamarra se dio de baja por éste tipo de hilos

(va medio en broma y medio enserio)

Yo no filtro porque aveces todos tenemos dudas interesantes, aveces no
es tan bueno encerrarse en su burbuja.

Y para evitar muchas distracciones todos los mensajes que me llegan de
la lista se marcan como leídos por default.

Saludos.

Ricardo C. N.


El día 29 de mayo de 2015, 22:39, debianeromx debianer...@gmail.com escribió:



 La vida es un continuo aprender y nunca descansar.

  Mensaje original 
 De: J. OCTAVIO Avalos
 Fecha:29/05/2015 19:22 (GMT-06:00)
 A: debian-user-spanish
 Asunto: Re: darse de baja

 El día 30 de mayo de 2015, 0:13, Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 Jajaja

 Afortunadamente tengo filtro para este tipo de mensajes... A tal grado
 que sin querer hasta hoy lo lei porpura casualidad.

 Debianeromx

 2014-11-16 20:34 GMT-06:00 Angel Claudio Alvarez
 an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar:
 El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:35:54 -0300
 Paulo Riquelme olivar...@gmail.com escribió:


 La ayuda en base a experiencia propia pienso que es súper bien
 recibida, aunque siempre habrán diferencias muy pequeñas que hagan
 distinta cada situación, pero lo de leer el man, sinceramente y con la
 seguridad de que obtendré algunos calificativos no muy aceptables, me
 atreveré a decirte que yo uso el computador por las utilidades que me
 presta, pero de verdad, con mucho respeto y aprecio a quienes brindan
 su tiempo para otros en esta lista, yo no vivo para conocer más mi
 sistema operativo, si en algún momento tengo algún problema, busco y
 si encuentro la solución bien, si me mandas a leer un manual así en
 pelota, voy a seguir buscando en otra parte una respuesta más clara.
 Para mi suerte Debian está en un momento en que los problemas de uso
 cotidiano son casi inexistentes, pero si llego a tener alguno qué
 bueno que hay gente que con su conocimiento me puede brindar el camino
 a la solución.

 Mira vos, sos pura solidaridad
 O sea que usas a la lista como soporte tecnico, ya que lo unico que
 haces es buscar soluciones
 y aportar no podes hacerlo ya que no estas interesado en aprender sobre
 tu S.O. y por ende cualquier aporte que hagas sera basado en una solucion
 anteriormente publicada.
 Muy bueno lo tuyo
 De mi parte no esperes nunca una ayuda.


 Sobre lo que escriben del exceso de respuestas, las respuestas obvias
 y el aspecto humano que acá se ha mencionado, quizás me equivoco pero
 siento que no van los tres aspectos en el mismo sentido, de hecho para
 mí algunas de esas respuestas obvias me sirven, quitarlas va en contra
 de ser humano con ese pobre ser que como yo quiere usar su sistema
 para labores diarias y no ponerse a modificarlo.

 si queres hacer eso se un poco honesto y paga por el soporte, ya que no
 devolves de ninguna forma la ayuda que te brindan y que es la base de la
 comunidad Debian

 Hasta nunca

 saludos


  En fin...
 
  Como dije no se cuestiona las medidas que ella tome con algunos
  usuarios de
  la lista cuando habla de sus filtros,  tampoco se cuestiona su ayuda,
  pero
  si su actitud golosa por decirlo a responder a todo.
 
  Saludos.



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 salga de los cojones. No te das cuenta lo pesadito que te esta
 poniendo con tu obsesiva conducta. Lo que tienes que hacer es parar de
 dar el coñazo porque ya llevas por lo menos un año. y si no te gusta
 lo que contesta o cuanto contesta, es que tu no tienes puta idea de
 nada y te jode. De lo contrario si las respuestas no van dirigidas a
 ti, te callas o te metes la lengua en el culo que por lo visto tienes
 filtro depaso sopla un poco. Pesado de los cojones. Asi que desaparece
 y a remamala por ahi adelante

 Definitivamente... quien no puede sabe leer manuales, no podra encontrar
 respuestas, menos aun podra escribir sus expresiones internas.

 Saludos

 P.D. Lo siento por el html.


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Re: Inexpensive Laptop for Debian

2015-05-29 Thread Robert Crawford
On May 29, 2015 7:04 PM, John Aten welcome.to.eye.o.r...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hey all,
 I would like to see if anyone could give some advice or opinions on
getting an inexpensive laptop to run Debian. I plan to use the machine for
lighter duty functions; writing, web browsing, programming, etc. Basically,
I am looking for something with a little more muscle than a Chromebook.
Most laptops that I have seen that come with Debian or other distros
preinstalled seem to be more expensive than I would like, so that of course
leaves me installing it myself. I have researched this, and can never seem
to find solid information on the laptops that are currently available; the
information is usually a little dated.
 I have some experience setting up Debian and other distros, but if there
are problems with hardware configuration, I get out into the deep end fast.
I would like to avoid any problems that are beyond the reach of my very
modest skills.
 I see that Dell offers the Inspiron 14 or 15 3000 series non-touch laptop
with Ubuntu preinstalled; this model is around the price/spec range that I
would like. I figure, if it runs Ubuntu, then this is possibly a good
indication that I could install Debian; I was wondering first, if that is a
good assumption, and also if anyone has had any experience with installing
Debian on this particular model. (I have an older Inspiron, on which I have
had good luck installing several different distros, including Debian, but I
don't know that this really indicates anything either.) Second, aside from
this particular model, if anyone has recommendations on any other laptops
in that price/spec range?
 I'd appreciate any help and opinions.

 Thanks,

 J

John,

I just bought a Dell Latitude D810, I installed 80gb ide hard drive. It
came with 512mb ram. I've install a 512 module until my other ram comes
in.  I 2gb ordered (total 768mb). I installed Xubuntu 14.04.1 on it. It has
a single core CPU.  Ethernet and WiFi works. I got everything from EBay.
This was a low cost laptop. I'm very happy with it.

If you want dual core  sata hd, look for a latitude D820-D830 series.

Robert

I


Re: darse de baja

2015-05-29 Thread sergio
+100

El día 30 de mayo de 2015, 2:22, J. OCTAVIO Avalos
octavioava...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 30 de mayo de 2015, 0:13, Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com escribió:
 Jajaja

 Afortunadamente tengo filtro para este tipo de mensajes... A tal grado
 que sin querer hasta hoy lo lei porpura casualidad.

 Debianeromx

 2014-11-16 20:34 GMT-06:00 Angel Claudio Alvarez 
 an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar:
 El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:35:54 -0300
 Paulo Riquelme olivar...@gmail.com escribió:


 La ayuda en base a experiencia propia pienso que es súper bien
 recibida, aunque siempre habrán diferencias muy pequeñas que hagan
 distinta cada situación, pero lo de leer el man, sinceramente y con la
 seguridad de que obtendré algunos calificativos no muy aceptables, me
 atreveré a decirte que yo uso el computador por las utilidades que me
 presta, pero de verdad, con mucho respeto y aprecio a quienes brindan
 su tiempo para otros en esta lista, yo no vivo para conocer más mi
 sistema operativo, si en algún momento tengo algún problema, busco y
 si encuentro la solución bien, si me mandas a leer un manual así en
 pelota, voy a seguir buscando en otra parte una respuesta más clara.
 Para mi suerte Debian está en un momento en que los problemas de uso
 cotidiano son casi inexistentes, pero si llego a tener alguno qué
 bueno que hay gente que con su conocimiento me puede brindar el camino
 a la solución.

 Mira vos, sos pura solidaridad
 O sea que usas a la lista como soporte tecnico, ya que lo unico que haces 
 es buscar soluciones
 y aportar no podes hacerlo ya que no estas interesado en aprender sobre tu 
 S.O. y por ende cualquier aporte que hagas sera basado en una solucion 
 anteriormente publicada.
 Muy bueno lo tuyo
 De mi parte no esperes nunca una ayuda.


 Sobre lo que escriben del exceso de respuestas, las respuestas obvias
 y el aspecto humano que acá se ha mencionado, quizás me equivoco pero
 siento que no van los tres aspectos en el mismo sentido, de hecho para
 mí algunas de esas respuestas obvias me sirven, quitarlas va en contra
 de ser humano con ese pobre ser que como yo quiere usar su sistema
 para labores diarias y no ponerse a modificarlo.

 si queres hacer eso se un poco honesto y paga por el soporte, ya que no 
 devolves de ninguna forma la ayuda que te brindan y que es la base de la 
 comunidad Debian

 Hasta nunca

 saludos


  En fin...
 
  Como dije no se cuestiona las medidas que ella tome con algunos usuarios 
  de
  la lista cuando habla de sus filtros,  tampoco se cuestiona su ayuda,  
  pero
  si su actitud golosa por decirlo a responder a todo.
 
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 Te importa a ti mucho que conteste a lo que, aunque no los tenga, le
 salga de los cojones. No te das cuenta lo pesadito que te esta
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Re: Debian en una placa base

2015-05-29 Thread Jose Maldonado

On 29/05/15 00:36, Altair Linux wrote:

La tarjeta grafica no creo que de problemas:

GeForce GT 740 OC 2GB GDDR5
http://www.nvidia.es/download/driverResults.aspx/84821/es

Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver

Versione: 346.72 Fecha de publicación: 2015.5.12 Sistema operativo:
Linux 64-bit Idioma: Español (España)

Y de todas formas me refiero a todo el hardware de la placa, no solo
la tarjeta de sonido. La placa tiene varias partes: audio, chipset,
lan, SATA RAID/AHCI, USB 3.0, VGA.

Eso de que el propio fabricante no ofrezca drivers para linux, no me gusta nada.




Primero, no conozco al primer fabricante de MB que ofrezca completos 
drivers para su tarjeta en Linux.


Segundo, los drivers que necesitas están en el kernel, no necesitarás 
nada más, incluso esa gráfica funcionará bien usando nouveau.


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Re: Install of Debian 8.0.0

2015-05-29 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 19:47 +0100, Martin G Clayton wrote:
  
 I am trying to install Debian 8.0.0 64-bit under Oracle
 Virtualbox (current version) and it persistently fails at the 'Select and
 install software' step.

Unfortunately Google gives a lot of hits on this particular problem with
VirtualBox, but no solutions.

Have you made sure that the images match the checksum? 

If an install of 7.8 works, you can try doing a minimal install and
doing a  dist-upgrade to 8.

You could also try switching to another shell during the install and see
if it gives any further information about what went wrong.

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RE: Strange problem with *.local / avahi / zeroconf

2015-05-29 Thread Arno Schuring
(apologies in advance for any mangling caused by hotmail's web interface)

 From: b-m...@gmx.ch
 Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 21:19:48 +0200
 
 On Friday 29 May 2015 18.11:29 Arno Schuring wrote:
[..]
 
 Sorry, forgot to mention, ping with ip does work, only ping with 
 hostname.local doesn't.
 
 Avahi-discover is great, thanks!
 But I'm only one step further, since now after a reboot, when everything 
 works 
 as expected, it shows the server's hostname as a Workstation. I can get its 
 details (IP address etc.)
 When connections using the hostname stopped working, the hostname is still 
 shown as a Workstation, but I cannot get its details anymore, instead I get 
 the following error:
 org.freedesktop.Avahi.TimeoutError: Timeout reached
 
 What timeout is that, one on the server or one on the client? I still don't 
 get it :-(
 

The timeout error is from the client, but the reason is likely that the server
is no longer reponding to requests. You said you had multiple clients, do they
all fail at the same moments? If all your clients fail at the same time, the
cause is likely to be on the server. If one client fails while the others
still work fine, your problem is more likely to be misconfiguration of the
clients.

My money's on the server being the cause. I have no direct knowledge of
avahi-daemon, but the generic advice is to run the service manually (i.e.
run avahi-daemon --debug on the server), or check /var/log/daemon.log
or /var/log/messages and hope that avahi does useful logging.


Best of luck,
Arno

  

Re: Problems with SSD

2015-05-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Jochen Spieker wrote:
 Petter Adsen:
  I'm starting to suspect that it is. Either that, or the controller on
  the motherboard, which would be even worse.
 
 Or just the cable (if we are not talking about a laptop). I got rid of
 similar errors in the past by replacing the SATA cable.

If it were me I would swap cables and move to a different SATA port on
the motherboard.  I have seen individual SATA ports fail with the rest
of the ports okay.  I also have the advantage of many different sets
of hardware available and so I would mix and match the various parts
into different systems.  If the problem stays with the system or moves
with the moved part is a good diagnostic aid in determining which
piece of hardware or software is causing problems.  In this case it is
1) the kernel software 2) sata cable 3) sata device 4) motherboard
sata controller.  At least one of those is the problem.  It is a
mental game of Mastermind to determine which.

Bob

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Re: Strange problem with *.local / avahi / zeroconf

2015-05-29 Thread b-misc
On Friday 29 May 2015 18.11:29 Arno Schuring wrote:
 Hi=2C
 
  One machine runs apache2 with services like owncloud as well as avahi-dae=
 
 mon.=20
 
  Other machines (clients) connect to it=2C e.g. with the owncloud client=
 
 =2C using=20
 
  hostname.local as URL.
 
 =20
 
  After some time=2C maybe 2 or 3 minutes or so=2C the other machines loose=
 
  the=20
 
  connection. In a browser I cannot connect=2C I cannot ping=2C nothing. It=
 
 's=20
 
  absolute reproducable.
 
 You cannot ping the machine's ip address=2C or you cannot reach (resolve) t=
 he
 .local hostname?
 
 =20
 
  If I restart a client=2C it can reconnect=2C but only for a few minutes. =
 
 This=20
 
  happens for both=2C Jessie and Mac OS clients.
 
 =20
 
  I went already through a reset of the router=2C no effect.
 
 Your router has nothing to do with it=2C unless it's actively blocking the =
 traffic.
 The .local hostnames are resolved through mdns (multicast dns)=2C which
 is provided by avahi-daemon on the server side=2C and libnss-mdns on the cl=
 ient.
 
 You could use a tool like mdns-scan or avahi-discover to list the services =
 on
 the current network=2C to verify the presence or absence of the service.

Sorry, forgot to mention, ping with ip does work, only ping with 
hostname.local doesn't.

Avahi-discover is great, thanks!
But I'm only one step further, since now after a reboot, when everything works 
as expected, it shows the server's hostname as a Workstation. I can get its 
details (IP address etc.)
When connections using the hostname stopped working, the hostname is still 
shown as a Workstation, but I cannot get its details anymore, instead I get 
the following error:
org.freedesktop.Avahi.TimeoutError: Timeout reached

What timeout is that, one on the server or one on the client? I still don't 
get it :-(

Thanks!
B.


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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:16:15 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:

  Some people might have been confused by the fact that the name of the
  package in Squeeze (gdm3) doesn't correspond to the version
  (2.30.5-6squeeze5).
 
  But the most confusion comes from the fact that Squeeze actually
  provided both GDM2 and GDM3 :)
 
 That seems to ring a bell, now that you mention it (seems I do remember
 intentionally installing gdm3 at some point on this machine). Except the
 name of the previous package was gdm (version  2.20.11-4) not gdm2. 
 
 So Squeeze never provided a gdm2 package, you're wrong on that point.

 There are two versions of 'gdm' in Squeeze, one named 'gdm' and the other
 'gdm3', corresponding to versions 2.20.11-4 and 2.30.5-6squeeze5.

My memory failed me, it seems. I checked and the appropriate package
was called 'gdm' indeed. Thanks for the correction.

Reco


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Re: Two network cards

2015-05-29 Thread Bob Proulx
michael-spree-michael wrote:
 It used to be that one can use two network cards at the same time, after
 configuring /etc/network/interfaces and making the networks static.

Yes.  This is a standard and widely used feature.

 This I did.
 
 The results; the wifi card won't connect and the wired connected.
 
 Is this something different in Jessie?

The differences between Wheezy 7 and Jessie 8 are very long.  You can
look in the release notes for all of the documentation of the details
the changes.  The expectation is that none of those will prevent
multiple network interfaces from working.  And for all of us running
Jessie 8 with multiple network cards it is in fact working.

You have said very little about what problem you are having nor what
software you are using.  Makes it rather difficult for anyone to help
you.  All we can say is works for me and that isn't going to be very
satisfying to you.

For best results please say what software you are using, exactly what
you have tried, and what was the output.

Bob


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RE: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Arno Schuring


 From: cu...@free.fr
 Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 20:16:15 +

 That seems to ring a bell, now that you mention it (seems I do remember
 intentionally installing gdm3 at some point on this machine). Except the
 name of the previous package was gdm (version 2.20.11-4) not gdm2.

 So Squeeze never provided a gdm2 package, you're wrong on that point.
 There are two versions of 'gdm' in Squeeze, one named 'gdm' and the other
 'gdm3', corresponding to versions 2.20.11-4 and 2.30.5-6squeeze5.

Reco never stated that there was a package gdm2, just that squeeze
shipped with both versions.

There used to be just one package, gdm, and it installed the display
manager for gnome. That package was called gdm for gnome 1, and
was called gdm for gnome 2. However, gdm became unmaintained
as of gnome 2.20, and was replaced with a complete rewrite as of
gnome 2.30. But the rewrite did not have all the features of gdm (iirc),
so Squeeze shipped with both.

It's only with the introduction of gdm3 that people started referring to
the original gdm as gdm2. Before gdm3, there was only gdm.


Regards,
Arno

  

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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Bob Bernstein


Back in the day -- when running Linux was *fun* -- 
most of us simply edited inittab to change the default 
runlevel. How wonderful!


And everyone knew how to do this since NO ONE wanted a 
stoopid display manager getting in the way.


nb. Further info left as an exercise for the reader.


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Re: unattended-upgrade fails to upgrade libreoffice

2015-05-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,

On 22.05.15 22:51, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

I have libreoffice and unattended-upgrades installed on wheezy/i386.
the newer libreoffice packages have been uploaded some time ago, but
unattended-upgrade still fails to install them.

When I run unattended-upgrade -d, strange error appears:
pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete
...
pkg 'libreoffice-gnome' now marked delete



Trying to upgrade manually with apt-get or aptitude reports no problem, (no
conflistsor dependencies) but unattended-upgrade still fails.

Is there a known problem related to this message?


I see no reply...
It seems something fell out of the paste

Checking: libreoffice-evolution ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' 
origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True])
pkg 'libreoffice-gnome' now marked delete
sanity check failed

Checking: libreoffice-gnome ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' 
origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True])
pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete
sanity check failed

it could be a result of circular dependencies and conflicts
- all +deb7u4 packages depend on libreoffice-core
- libreoffice-core*+deb7u4 conflicts with older packages versions


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Re: How to boot without GUI

2015-05-29 Thread Daniel
Yeah! It was quite fun to play with runlevels, i think so. But isn't hard to 
disable services using systemd. Whatever, for servers, sysv is a good choice 
yet, i think.

P.d. play with GNU is  very fun on these days too ...

Greetings.

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Back in the day -- when running Linux was *fun* -- 
most of us simply edited inittab to change the default 
runlevel. How wonderful!

And everyone knew how to do this since NO ONE wanted a 
stoopid display manager getting in the way.

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Re: Missing audio notifications

2015-05-29 Thread Jose Martinez
I did log-out, and in fact rebooted the system with no change. However, 
I just checked and the freedesktop audio theme was not installed.I'm 
pretty confused at this point.  I know the notifications worked, but 
then they shouldn't have without that stuff installed.I must be 
losing my mind:-( It's a little early for that, I'm only 52!!


On 05/29/2015 03:18 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:

On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 14:35 -0500, Jose Martinez wrote:

The output from this command follows:

Failed to play sound: File or data not found

Hope this information helps.


Does logging out and in again make a difference?

sound-theme-freedesktop is installed?

(Please answer directly to the mailing list! :)




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Re: ram beaucoup trop sollicitée

2015-05-29 Thread andre_debian
On Friday 29 May 2015 21:58:17 Stéphane GARGOLY wrote:
 Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

 Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 à 14:39, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
  $ free -m
  total used   free  sharedbuffers  cached
  40503718   331  9 195   2698
  -/+ buffers/cache: 823  3226
  Swap: 2025 0   2025

  # free -m
  total used   free sharedbuffers  cached
  16038   8381  7656   0  395  6032
  -/+ buffers/cache: 1953  14084
  Swap: 308203082

Merci pour ces infos intructives.

 Autre information qui peut rassurer André : la mémoire d'échange - Swap -
 n'est pas pratiquement pas utilisée, ce qui semble indiquer que son système
 GNU/Linux ne souffre pas de problème au niveau de l'occupation mémoire :

J'ai mis dans mon fstab : noatime :
/dev/sda2  / ext4  defaults,noatime,... 0 1
Faut-il le mettre aussi dans ma partition /home/ dédiée ?

et j'ai modifié la valeur de la swap : vm.swappiness = 10
afin que la swap soit utilisée en dernier recours = + de vitesse.
http://geekeries.de-labrusse.fr/?p=1806
la valeur swappiness par défaut est 60.

 Sur mon ordinateur de bureau Sirius :
S'agit-il de ceci ? :
www.open-source-guide.com/Actualites/Une-alternative-open-source-a-siri

 En tout cas et toujours sur Sirius, même en lançant la commande 'free -m'
 seulement (et sous une session utilisateur), j'ai le même résultat que
 sous 'root' :

Pas chez moi comme indiqué en haut.
Comme si free indiquait la consommation selon l'utilisateur dont root...

 Quelle est la quantité de mémoire centrale de l'ordinateur où est installé
 ton système GNU/Linux ?
 Stéphane

Le terme mémoire centrale me gêne, s'agit-il de la RAM totale ?
si oui = 4Go (2 barettes de 2Go) :
www.commentcamarche.net/contents/751-ordinateur-introduction-a-la-notion-de-memoire

@+ good evening.

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