Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[doark]

On 08/30/2015 17:49:31,Doug wrote:
> On 08/30/2015 03:33 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > I know this because I have actually built 95% of base Linux from
> > source by hand - multiple times  -  over the last 17 years. In my
> > opinion, if you don't want to take the effort to do the work, then
> > you simply have to accept other's decisions regarding what they
> > compiled in.
> >
> >  
> /snip/
> 
> That's easy for you to say, since you are obviously a programmer. The
> rest of us may never have programmed anything, and C just looks like
> some foreign language --which it is! What we would like is stability,
> and until Poettering started messing with Linux, we pretty much had
> it--at least in any given distro.

Don't fret, I program in C and I'm only running funtoo and I'm already
way over my head. I don't mind having to read the manual or compile
things, it's the bugs, I must have a collection of at least 100 and the
devs want all non mission critical ones reported upstream. I've
tried to report 6 and most of the time I can't reach them or they don't
respond. I've gotten 1 reply, and I've decided to help him with his
project, menumaker.
In short, there is no way you could have enough time to maintain your
own system that you create from scratch unless you have a serious
amount of education, time, and working config files. Even then it would
be a nightmare.


On 09/01/2015 2015 23:11:51, Joel Rees wrote:
> The issue is not whether they should be leading their projects or not,
> the issue is whether what they build is really appropriate for
> becoming a necessary part of all major distributions of Linux kernel
> OSses.

This is where Lennart goes wrong, you see, sysvinit was, and still is,
AFAIK, easily replaced with another tool. Unlike Linus, Lennart is more
brutal with his software's design such that it is extremely difficult
to replace parts or the whole of it. He also does not let himself be
proven wrong, as it says you can do in the linux kernel mailing list
FAQ.
I keep hoping he'll learn...
You don't have to take my word for it, there have been bug reports
which have not been fixed because the systemd team does not want them
fixed. You want evidence perhaps? I don't have a link on me but there
is the trouble with an encryption package that was ignored, and there
is the issue with you having to reboot every time you attach "new
hardware" which means that I had to reboot my machine every time I
(re)attached my USB to SATA adapter, but not a USB flash
drive, which is really strange. I would have to enter my password
and go into my BIOS to check that the card was properly attached. And
then I must be careful not to bump the adapter. Who cares if the system
boots faster if I have to reboot all the time?
I just wish Lennart was more gentle and benevolent. As opposed to
saying the the future is systemd (I think that was a literal quote,
though it may have been the conclusion I drew after I read all his
writings on the subject.)
Incidentally, he only considers three init systems out of all the
possibilities during his review, systemd, upstart, and sysvinit. We all
know which would win given that comparison.


> If you will excuse me, that's not our decision to make. 
> 
> FOSS is not about making everyone happy or whether something is
> "really appropriate". It is about empowering you to make your own
> decisions. Should you desire, you have the ability to fork code, and
> part company with the herd.
> 
> Distributors have every right to build their Linux as they see fit.
> You have the right to reject that and build your own. That's your
>
> freedom, and that is all that was ever promised - nothing more. 
> If you ask me, Linux users are far too dependent on binary
> distributions to start with.  They fill a need for those who have time
> constraints, but that's all.  You are willingly allowing others to
> make decisions for you, in return for using the fruits of their labor.
> As such, IMHO, binary distro users have no standing to complain. 


That's a rather cold view, even if is is the FOSS view, people depend on
others to make good decisions, and yes, we do have a right to question
their decisions, that's how people learn about what is a good one and
what is not, then they can make better ones. It was one of the
recommendations of St. Paul, "Question all things, retain that which is
true." 1 Thessalonians 5:21. If a faith based religious leader can
recommend that, surely we who are (think we are), more into the
scientific method can also.
As systemd makes both testing and changing much harder, I think you can
understand why it's a poor choice. This is not an opinion, try to get
your system free of systemd, may are the posts I've read where the devs
say that it is impossible. And, as systemd continues to take on the
functionality and often times in place of what used to be modular
software, I think you can see how something that's free is not
necessary something that's what you need. If I sent the starvin

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages

[David Niklas]

Hello,
I forget who asked how to copy lines from their terminal (Alt-F0-9),
and I know how and thought I'd share. Use gpm. On my system it's shift
left-mouse to highlight and shift right-mouse to paste to your prompt.
you cant then echo the output to a file, pipe, or directly into a
command, etc.
Someday I'll bear-hug the hacker who made it.

Your welcome, David

Gnome Audio Alerts

[Jose Martinez]

Once again, the audio alerts on my gnome desktop have ceased to work.  
This problem occurred once before and was addressed here on the list.  I 
have looked up that old thread on the debian.org site, and double 
checked everything that was mentioned there.


I have checked that /org/gnome/desktop/sound/event-sounds is indeed 
checked in the dconf editor.


I have checked that gnome-session-canberra is in fact installed.

I have check that sound-theme-freedesktop is installed.

In the settings (gnome-control-center) the alerts show to be on, and the 
volume for them is set at the max.


I have run the command canberra-gtk-play --id="dialog-error".  The 
result of that command is no audio output of any kind, and no errors 
reported on the console.


I re-installed both gnome-session-canberra and sound-theme-freedesktop 
packages and rebooted the system.  This also had no effect.


Anyone with any more ideas???

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JM

Re: is a2ps broken?

[rlharris]

On Thu, September 3, 2015 10:28 am, David Wright wrote:
> Personally, a2ps has been broken for years because it doesn't handle
> unicode.

Fooey on unicode, then.  I need a2ps; but I lived for years without unicode.

> Quoting rlhar...@oplink.net (rlhar...@oplink.net):
>
>> With Lenny and a HP4100 PostScript printer, a two-pages-per-sheet
>> spread printed by a2ps is cut off on both the left and the right.
> Left and right wrt the sheet of paper, or wrt the original pages
> which, presumably, have been rotated by 90° for printing 2-up.

The original pages -- the first several columns of the left-hand page; the
last several columns of the right-hand page

>> A search with google reveals that a problem of this sort arose ten or
>> twelve years ago, but I see no current reports.
>>
>> Papersize is configured for "letter" 8.5 x 11 inches.
>
> Two checks: whether a2ps thinks it's printing to A4 which is longer
> and narrower than Letter, and whether a2ps is not allowing for the
> unprintable area at the top and bottom of the paper on many printers.
> (It's had special deskjet margins ever since I can remember.)
>
>> With previous distributions, a2ps has worked properly right out of the
>> box.  I have been running Jessie since it became available as "beta",
>> but I did not notice the problem until recently, so perhaps an upgrade
>> of a2ps is at fault?
>
> Anything is possible, but I notice that the latest upstream change to
> a2ps is stamped 2007-12-29  Masayuki Hatta  . Of course,
> it's always possible therefore that Lenny's version is positively 20th
> century!
>
> Is is significant that the *first* match of "paper" in
> /usr/share/doc/a2ps/changelog.Debian.gz is the line
> * libpaper support is missing in the upstream.  I'll port it ASAP.
>
>
> My own use of a2ps was entirely in an international environment,
> ie A3, A4 and A5 paper sizes. I'm still trying to get to grips with the
> archaic sizes here; it's like going back to junior school.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Re: Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

[Michael Biebl]

Am 03.09.2015 um 03:14 schrieb Stephen Powell:
> Do you know a similar technique for overriding individual udev rules in
> a system-provided rules file?

A similar mechanism exists for udev rules file.
See man 7 udev -> "RULES FILES"


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Re: Next Q, re amd64-microcode

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
> [0.053621] CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ 
> stepping 02
> 
> Midway thru the dmesg after the reboot, dmesg reports:
> [2.893141] microcode: AMD CPU family 0xf not supported

It is as the kernel said...

> My google-fu has located where AMD says family 10h is the starter, the 
> first cpu to support this, so am I to assume that the 0xf is too early?

There is no *working* microcode update facility on that AMD CPU.  I *think*
there is actually an extremely broken one that must not be used, but I could
be wrong about that, and it doesn't matter anyway.

> Is there no applicable microcode for the above CPU?

No, there isn't, at least for operational system use.  AMD never published
any microcode update data for family 0x0f, AFAIK.

I don't know about BIOS use (maybe the thing can be updated exactly once) or
the archive vaults of the AMD processor development labs :-)

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: is google earth safe to install?

[Martin Read]

On 03/09/15 22:06, Stuart Longland wrote:

I'll bite, why an nVidia graphic card?  I have a couple, but the Intel
GPU in this laptop would run rings around most of them.

Surely it only matters that it implements ${OPENGL_FEATURES} to a
sufficient standard to run the application.


OpenGL's architecture explicitly provides for the existence of 
vendor-specific extensions.

Re: the IBM keyboard

[Stuart Longland]

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On 31/08/15 12:29, David Wright wrote:
>> This is not supported by evidence, e.g.
>>> 
>
>>> 
I'm struggling to see how this reference backs up your assertion.
> The use-case is not word-processing (Word) where both hands are 
> expected to be on the keys most of the time. This study prepared
> the hands on the mouse (for the mouse method) in advance
> (penultimate paragraph). This might be sensible if you were dealing
> with Illustrator/CorelDraw etc but not word processing.

I must confess I agree with that statement.

Right tool for the job.  A keyboard makes a hopeless instrument for
free-hand placement and manipulation of objects, and a mouse makes a
very frustrating text input device.

If the activity you're performing is predominately a text/data entry
exercise, a keyboard-oriented UI is more useful.  If however, the
activity is more graphic oriented, the mouse becomes more appropriate.

Regards,
- -- 
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Re: the IBM keyboard

[Stuart Longland]

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On 31/08/15 11:39, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:18 pm, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Oh joy!  forgive my nose, especially since I missed this post at
>> first. Still, I am typing right now, this very moment, on a real
>> IBM clicky keyboard! However the cable is starting to fray,  and
>> I was wondering if I would be able to replace this treasure...i.
>> have. had. this. for. a. very! long time. Anyway, your link to
>> this company may be a solution and I am sososososo happy! thanks,
>> Kare
> 
> If the only problem is a cable, all you need to do is find a local 
> technician who can replace the cable with the cable from one of
> the chinese keyboards which someone has tossed into the dumpster.
> 
> Of course, most keyboards nowadays are USB.  But most of us
> (myself included) have in the closet a keyboard or two which uses
> the old-style connector, if that is what you need.

The other thing that might work if you can't get a PS/2 keyboard cable.

Get some 5-core shielded cable and a DIN-5 connector.  Solder that up
to replace the faulty keyboard cable.  Then use a DIN-5 → PS/2 adapter
to plug it into your PS/2 socket.
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Re: Dell brightness issue

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 03 September 2015 21:59:31 Stuart Longland wrote:
> On 02/09/15 07:30, Clive Akem wrote:
> > I have the same issue that when changing brightness, everything
> > runs slowly even after restarting. Have you managed to solve it?
> > Thanks
>
> The same issue as what?
> Who do you mean by 'you'?

I wondered that!  But the person at whom it is aimed, the "you" of the second 
sentence, will probably recognise herself/himself.

Lisi

Re: is google earth safe to install?

[Stuart Longland]

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On 02/09/15 08:55, Ric Moore wrote:
>> Perhaps we should team up and buy some better satellite data to
>> "free" it? Kickstarter anyone?
> 
> I'm building "Grit". I'll let everyone know how well it works. You
> do need an nVidia graphic card though. Ric

I'll bite, why an nVidia graphic card?  I have a couple, but the Intel
GPU in this laptop would run rings around most of them.

Surely it only matters that it implements ${OPENGL_FEATURES} to a
sufficient standard to run the application.

Does this application bypass the kernel to talk to the video card
directly?
- -- 
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Re: Dell brightness issue

[Stuart Longland]

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On 02/09/15 07:30, Clive Akem wrote:
> I have the same issue that when changing brightness, everything
> runs slowly even after restarting. Have you managed to solve it?
> Thanks

The same issue as what?
Who do you mean by 'you'?

We'd like to help, but we'll need some context before this will be
possible.

Regards,
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Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Curt]

On 2015-09-03, David Wright  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting things which I discovered with the trials:
>> Typing Ctrl-- reduces the console fontsize in konsole (KDE) and typing 
>> Ctrl-+ 
>> magnifies the console fontsize.
>> It is the same no matter if using German layout or US layout.
>
> Fair enough. I see the same effect in iceweasel; very useful, but not
> much to do with escaping from machinectl.

I knew about that one in a browser (helpful when confronted with a tiny 
font--goes
without saying, I guess).

> Cheers,
> David.
>

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[David Wright]

Quoting Eike Lantzsch (zp6...@gmx.net):
> On Thursday 03 September 2015 15:09:12 Curt wrote:
> > On 2015-09-02, Nicolas George  wrote:
> > > For me, Ctrl-AltGr-) gives ^] as expected, both with XTerm and the
> > > Linux console.
> > 
> > Me too.
> Not me
> The Ctrl-AltGr level is not populated in my keyboard map.
> Intl-keyboard with German layout and dead keys.

If you want to find out where ^] has gone to on the console, you can
type:
dumpkeys -f | grep -i control_bracketright
The (very long) lines that match will start with:
keycode  =  ...
where N is the number of the key if you wish to redefine it or add to
its definition, and X is the unshifted key which will normally
correspond to the engraving on that key.

> Switching to US-layout results in
> Ctrl-AltGr-]   9
> Ctrl-AltGr-[   BACKSPACE, not 8
> Ctrl-AltGr-=   0
> This is the same as using the Ctrl-key without the additional AltGr.
> 
> Latinamerican layout on the same keyboard has the same result (nil) as the 
> German layout.

What are you using as a prefix for these keystrokes?

> Go figure ...
> 
> Interesting things which I discovered with the trials:
> Typing Ctrl-- reduces the console fontsize in konsole (KDE) and typing Ctrl-+ 
> magnifies the console fontsize.
> It is the same no matter if using German layout or US layout.

Fair enough. I see the same effect in iceweasel; very useful, but not
much to do with escaping from machinectl.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Thursday 03 September 2015 19:35:08 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le septidi 17 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Eike Lantzsch a écrit :
> > Not me
> > The Ctrl-AltGr level is not populated in my keyboard map.
> 
> It does not necessarily needs to.
> 
> > Interesting things which I discovered with the trials:
> > Typing Ctrl-- reduces the console fontsize in konsole (KDE) and typing
> > Ctrl-+ magnifies the console fontsize.
> 
> So you tested with konsole? Did you test with the Linux console and XTerm?
> Missing features in whizzbang tools would not be surprising.
> 
> Regards,
Results with Linux console, xterm  and with whizzbang tool are absolutely the 
same in this respect.

Kind regards
E.L.

Re: apt-get upgrade fails on custom repository

[Stefano Pugnetti]

Ok, I figured it out: lines containing md5sums of index files must start
with a blank character.

Stefano

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Nicolas George]

Le septidi 17 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Eike Lantzsch a écrit :
> Not me
> The Ctrl-AltGr level is not populated in my keyboard map.

It does not necessarily needs to.

> Interesting things which I discovered with the trials:
> Typing Ctrl-- reduces the console fontsize in konsole (KDE) and typing Ctrl-+ 
> magnifies the console fontsize.

So you tested with konsole? Did you test with the Linux console and XTerm?
Missing features in whizzbang tools would not be surprising.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Thursday 03 September 2015 15:09:12 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-09-02, Nicolas George  wrote:
> > For me, Ctrl-AltGr-) gives ^] as expected, both with XTerm and the
> > Linux console.
> 
> Me too.
Not me
The Ctrl-AltGr level is not populated in my keyboard map.
Intl-keyboard with German layout and dead keys.

Switching to US-layout results in
Ctrl-AltGr-]   9
Ctrl-AltGr-[   BACKSPACE, not 8
Ctrl-AltGr-=   0
This is the same as using the Ctrl-key without the additional AltGr.

Latinamerican layout on the same keyboard has the same result (nil) as the 
German layout.

Go figure ...

Interesting things which I discovered with the trials:
Typing Ctrl-- reduces the console fontsize in konsole (KDE) and typing Ctrl-+ 
magnifies the console fontsize.
It is the same no matter if using German layout or US layout.

Cheers
Eike

Re: is a2ps broken?

[David Wright]

Personally, a2ps has been broken for years because it doesn't handle unicode.

Quoting rlhar...@oplink.net (rlhar...@oplink.net):
> With Lenny and a HP4100 PostScript printer, a two-pages-per-sheet spread
> printed by a2ps is cut off on both the left and the right.

Left and right wrt the sheet of paper, or wrt the original pages
which, presumably, have been rotated by 90° for printing 2-up.

> A search with google reveals that a problem of this sort arose ten or
> twelve years ago, but I see no current reports.
> 
> Papersize is configured for "letter" 8.5 x 11 inches.

Two checks: whether a2ps thinks it's printing to A4 which is longer
and narrower than Letter, and whether a2ps is not allowing for the
unprintable area at the top and bottom of the paper on many printers.
(It's had special deskjet margins ever since I can remember.)

> With previous distributions, a2ps has worked properly right out of the
> box.  I have been running Jessie since it became available as "beta", but
> I did not notice the problem until recently, so perhaps an upgrade of a2ps
> is at fault?

Anything is possible, but I notice that the latest upstream change to
a2ps is stamped 2007-12-29  Masayuki Hatta  .
Of course, it's always possible therefore that Lenny's version is
positively 20th century!

Is is significant that the *first* match of "paper" in
/usr/share/doc/a2ps/changelog.Debian.gz is the line
  * libpaper support is missing in the upstream.  I'll port it ASAP.

My own use of a2ps was entirely in an international environment,
ie A3, A4 and A5 paper sizes. I'm still trying to get to grips with
the archaic sizes here; it's like going back to junior school.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Curt]

On 2015-09-02, Nicolas George  wrote:
>
> For me, Ctrl-AltGr-) gives ^] as expected, both with XTerm and the
> Linux console.

Me too. 

Re: get software list of one software repository

[David Wright]

Quoting mudongliang (mudonglianga...@hotmail.com):
>     There are some software repositories on my computer.
>     For example , google chrome software repository
>         deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
>     I also add ubuntu partner in my computer.
>     What I want to ask is how to get software list of someone software
> repository through command line!
>     I can get this information through synaptic graphics.
>     But I don't know how to do it in command line.

If you mean "what packages does someone have access to", then you need
to look at the contents of their /var/lib/apt/lists/ which is
maintained by apt-get update. You might also want to look at apt-cache.

Cheers,
David.

Re: get software list of one software repository

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 03 September 2015 15:32:35 mudongliang wrote:
> Hello everyone :
> There are some software repositories on my computer.
> For example , google chrome software repository
> deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
> I also add ubuntu partner in my computer.
> What I want to ask is how to get software list of someone software
> repository through command line!
> I can get this information through synaptic graphics.
> But I don't know how to do it in command line.
>
> - mudongliang

I would do:

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list

Lisi

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[David Wright]

Quoting Seeker (seeker5...@comcast.net):

> Some of this may have to be revisited later once more people actually
> use it and have that first hand exposure to what works and what doesn't.
...
> There is an argument for an easier key combination, but how do you
> make it more accessible for people who can't hold down a key
> combination long enough for the repeat to kick in?

telnet -e sets the escape key you want to use.

In the short term, you can redefine an infrequently-used key to send
the appropriate code, eg through /etc/console-setup/remap.inc,
because it seems more likely that you'll get stuck in a session on a
(possibly sole) VC than on X.

Cheers,
David.

apt-get upgrade fails on custom repository

[Stefano Pugnetti]

Hi all!

I subscribed to the list 'cause I could not solve my problem with google
(and all the relevant Debian documentation I could find...).

I have created a local repository for distributing software inside my
local network. I wanted to secure the process, so I opted for a
hierarchical structure (dists/my-dist/my-component/binary-my-arch), a
dists/Release file and its gpg dists/Release.gpg signature.

On the client side I added a .list file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ with
just one line:
deb uri-of-my-repo my-dist my-component

When I launch `sudo apt-get upgrade`, the Release and Release.gpg files
are correctly downloaded into /var/lib/apt/lists/, but I get an error
"Unable to find expected entry my-component/binary-my-arch/Packages in
Release file" (my-dist, my-component and my-arch are not the actual
names; actual names are lowercase, only letters).

However the Release file does contain a line with the md5sum of the
Packages file, its length in bytes and its name (including path:
my-component/binary-my-arch/Packages). Moreover the Package file can be
downloaded from the repository (I tried with wget on the client). If I
manually copy the Packages file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ (with a name that
includes its path, like other files in that dir), everything works fine.

I don't understand what is the point. Any idea?

Thanks,

Stefano

Re: kde 5 display problem

[Hans]

Am Donnerstag, 3. September 2015, 12:30:20 schrieb Nick Zarkadas:
> Hi Hans
> I tried it but it didn't work.
> Last week in the same machine I had installed fedora 22 and I didn't had
> any problem with the desktop except the sddm screen  (it was  black and
> white again.)

Hi Nick, 
that is a pity. The problem with kde5 is the dependencies in debian/testing. 
Maybe you can backup your ~/.kde directory, then deinstall kde and reinstall.
Do not install from unstable, as it will uninstall a lot of kde related 
packages.

Maybe try first to install kde4 from stable, then upgrade to testing. Then 
install plasma-desktop and the other stuff. Really, go step-by-step.

Do not forget to install libkdecoration* with the older version. (Sorry, I can 
not exactly name the correct ones at the moment, so look at my posts from 
Aug/2015 in this list, and look at the answer).

At the moment I also could not get SDDM managed to start. Neither with breeze 
nor with another skin. This might work on other computers. On my desktop-pc , 
I got sddm started, but I could not login. IMO sddm is buggy. So I reverted 
back to kdm, which runs fine.

If you get kde5 started , copy .kde back to your home. 

However, during my tests I never could get a fresh kde5 started correctly, but 
with my old ~/.kde from kde4 it started well. I suppose, it is because kde5 is 
still a mix of kde4 and kde5 libs.

Sorry, I cannot give more help, it is difficult to help from here. Maybe it 
would help, if I send you my list of installed packages with versions, so you 
can look at.

Best regards

Hans

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:57 AM, Andrew McGlashan <
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:

> On 1/09/2015 3:08 AM, pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
> > If you want to exit the shell normally, typically the 'exit' command
> > will suffice (it depends on your shell, obviously).
>
> And if, for some reason, you can't exit a shell normally; but you can
> login again in a different session, then you can kill the errant session
> from the new login.
>

You don't even need to use a new login to do that in most cases.

Re: kde 5 display problem

[Nick Zarkadas]

Hi Hans
I tried it but it didn't work.
Last week in the same machine I had installed fedora 22 and I didn't had
any problem with the desktop except the sddm screen  (it was  black and
white again.)

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 2/09/2015 12:11 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> Which, I am afraid, puts you in the pattern of those who defend the
> approach the cabal has taken.
> 
> (Concerning the use of "cabal":
> 
> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
> 
> Although I'm not really sure they understood what their own choice of
> words seemed to imply.)

It's not exactly secret, but many are blinded to these facts and the
implications.

In AU, we recently had a law passed over metadata; it was framed in such
a way that it was simple to *include* an otherwise excluded body from
seeking access -- border protection were made law enforcement.  That was
sneaky and political, it was secret, it was done in stealth; we can
expect more of the same with systemd as evidenced by Lennart's
referenced posting.

Cheers
A.

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 1/09/2015 11:08 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
>> > west!david 12:22:14 ~ $ diff -U0 VC-login-*[ey]
>> > --- VC-login-jessie 2015-08-31 11:34:23.476573261 -0500
>> > +++ VC-login-wheezy 2015-08-31 11:38:11.0 -0500
> How did you get these files? I haven't been able to come up with a way
> to get a dump of the exact text that is on a console, short of manually
> typing it into an editor (probably on another computer, for
> convenience's sake). Parts of it are logged, but not as far as I can
> tell into a single file, and I would actively expect that the text I'm
> objecting to would get logged separately (if at all) in any case.

conspy perhaps ?


# aptitude show conspy
Thursday 3 September 19:02:30 AEST 2015 -- show conspy
Package: conspy
State: not installed
Version: 1.8-2
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Maintainer: Russell Stuart 
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 67.6 k
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libncurses5 (>= 5.5-5~), libtinfo5
Description: Remote control of Linux virtual consoles
 Conspy allows a (possibly remote) user to see what is displayed on a
Linux virtual console, and send keystrokes to it.  It is rather like
VNC, but where VNC takes control of a GUI
 conspy takes control of a text mode virtual console.  Unlike VNC,
conspy does not require a server to be installed prior to being used.
Homepage: http://www.stuart.id.au/russell/files/conspy/


Cheers
A.

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 1/09/2015 3:08 AM, pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
> If you want to exit the shell normally, typically the 'exit' command
> will suffice (it depends on your shell, obviously).

And if, for some reason, you can't exit a shell normally; but you can
login again in a different session, then you can kill the errant session
from the new login.

A.

Re: "su is really a broken concept"

[T.J. Duchene]

You're probably right, Jonathan.  "Su" is so common that it easy to make
that error. After looking at the current POSIX list, I did not find it.
Thank you for pointing that out.

Be well!
T.J.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <
j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> T.J. Duchene:
>
>> If someone can do it better, and still keep it compatible with POSIX,
>> more power to them.
>>
>
> This is not the first place where someone has randomly thrown POSIX into
> the discussion.  "su" is outwith the scope of the POSIX standard.  It's in
> the SVID, but to my knowledge "su" never made into POSIX.  The SUS mentions
> it in passing under setuid() as a non-conformant application.
>
>

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

[Andrew McGlashan]

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On 31/08/2015 10:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> Agreed. For what it's worth, I don't think this particular
> iteration of the discussion has gotten nearly as heated or as
> hostile or as harmful as many of the previous ones have done.

Perhaps it is simply because those that are against systemd on the
whole have had enough of beating their head against a brick wall.  It
doesn't mean that the problems themselves have gone away.

And as I've said before, having a non pro-systemd view is a recipe to
be called a troll and worse; irrespective of any actual facts.

I'm sure many have taken up Gentoo and/or a flavour of BSD ... if they
can; others will do so later when they must.

Kind Regards
AndrewM

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Re: Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

[Sven Hartge]

Stephen Powell  wrote:

> Do you know a similar technique for overriding individual udev rules in
> a system-provided rules file?

Ah, that part is a white spot on my (mind)map.

Maybe Michael Biebl can provide more input, as one of the DDs
maintaining systemd and udev he should be able to provide more input.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

is a2ps broken?

[rlharris]

With Lenny and a HP4100 PostScript printer, a two-pages-per-sheet spread
printed by a2ps is cut off on both the left and the right.

A search with google reveals that a problem of this sort arose ten or
twelve years ago, but I see no current reports.

Papersize is configured for "letter" 8.5 x 11 inches.

With previous distributions, a2ps has worked properly right out of the
box.  I have been running Jessie since it became available as "beta", but
I did not notice the problem until recently, so perhaps an upgrade of a2ps
is at fault?

RLH