Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[deloptes]

Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> In Korea, all most people are using KakaoTalk (android app).
>> If i am wrong, sorry, and let it go to off-topic.
> 
> It's not decentralized.  IOW you're dependent on one central
> server/company and everything goes through them, they get an insane
> amount of data and power this way.
> 
> 
> Stefan

South Korea - an example of democracy (irony off)

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 09:49 AM, Joe wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,


The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
right click and Search is affected too.


All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.



Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...



Joe, I now have that kernel "4.7.0-1-amd64" on 5 systems and no problem 
with the kernel here, just Synaptic.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 02:50 PM, Floris wrote:

Op Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:49:15 +0200 schreef Joe :


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
>right click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.



Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...



Probably bug #835465
python-apt_1.1.0~beta5 will be available soon

Floris


Thanks Floris, but python-apt was not the fix. :(
I think Synaptic would be a good bet for the most liable to break app in 
Debian's repos, the number of bugs filed against it are huge.

But like you say, it will be fixed soon. :)

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 09:05 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,


The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right
click and Search is affected too.


All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.


Thanks Brad for letting me know that testing was okay, one of my 5 
Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I 
removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4 have 
a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure it's the 
culprit.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Encontrar imagenes repetidas

[Germán Avendaño Ramírez]

El 01/09/16 a las 16:26, Mario de Leon escribió:
> Puedes crear un script que compare checksum con md5. Si es que los
> archivos son idénticos.
> 
> 
> El Martes, 23 de agosto, 2016 11:24:33, Altair Linux
>  escribió:
> 
> 
> Buenas,
> 
> ¿hay alguna forma de encontrar imagenes que sean identicas pero que
> tengan nombre diferente?. Estoy buscando en google pero no veo nada asi.
> He estado mirando digikam y tambien imagemagick pero no lo veo claro.
> 
> ¿Sugerencias?.
> 
> Gracias.
> 
> 

fdupes, no solamente sirve para imágenes, sino para cualquier archivo.

 ___
/ La velocidad del viento aumenta   \
| proporcionalmente al precio del   |
| peinado.  |
|   |
\ -- Ley meteorológica de Reynold.  /
 ---
   \
\
.--.
   |o_o |
   |:_/ |
  //   \ \
 (| | )
/'\_   _/`\
\___)=(___/


Atentamente,

-- 
Germán Avendaño Ramírez
Lic. Mat. U.D., M.Sc. U.N.
Colegio José Benigno Segura Velásquez
Delegado Asamblea ADE
Veedor salud ADE
Cel: 3174411959
Email: german_...@autistici.org
GNU/Linux user # 531535
Sent from Debian Jessie GNU/Linux

Re: Dúvida com DNS Slave

[Rodrigo Cunha]

Acho que teria que recompilar o bind no debian sem o formato raw...
baixe o source do debian para ver se é possivel.

Em 31 de agosto de 2016 12:26, Henrique Fagundes  escreveu:

> Lucas,
>
> Desde já obrigado por responder.
> Existe alguma maneira de desabilitar isso?
>
> Atenciosamente,
>
> Henrique Fagundes
> henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
> Skype: magnata-br-rj
> Linux User: 475399
>
> http://www.aprendendolinux.com/
> http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux
> http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/
> http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/
> __
> Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/portal-aprendendo-linux
>
> Ou envie um e-mail para:
> portal-aprendendo-linux+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>
> Em 30/08/2016 20:39, Lucas Castro escreveu:
>
>> Não é criptografia, a partir da versão 9.9 o bind usa formato raw.
>>
>> https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00608/0/Converting-Zone-Files-
>> Between-Text-and-Raw-Formats.html
>>
>>
>> On 30-08-2016 17:33, Henrique Fagundes wrote:
>>
>>> Amigo,
>>>
>>> NS1 - Debian - 9.9.5
>>> NS2 - Ubuntu - 9.9.5
>>> NS3 - CentOS - 9.8.2-0.47
>>>
>>> Abraços.
>>>
>>> Atenciosamente,
>>>
>>> Henrique Fagundes
>>> henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
>>> Skype: magnata-br-rj
>>> Linux User: 475399
>>>
>>> http://www.aprendendolinux.com/
>>> http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux
>>> http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/
>>> http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/
>>> __
>>> Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/portal-aprendendo-linux
>>>
>>> Ou envie um e-mail para:
>>> portal-aprendendo-linux+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> Em 30/08/2016 17:23, Rodrigo Cunha escreveu:
>>>
 Cara, qual é a versão do bind dos DNS.
 Deduzo que o debian e o ubuntu, quando instalado por apt-get install
 implementam um ambiente homologado em seus arquivos de configuração ou
 modulos de criptografia.
 É possivel que a instalação dos arquivos rpm, homologados pela red hat e
 implementados pelo yum install, não sejam homologados com criptografia.
 É uma hipotese plausivel...

 Em 30 de agosto de 2016 17:06, Henrique Fagundes
 >
 escreveu:

 Prezados Colegas,

 Primeiramente saudações pinguianas a todos.
 Tenho o seguinte cenário:

 NS1 - Debian - Servidor de DNS Master
 NS2 - Ubuntu Server - Servidor de DNS Slave 1
 NS2 - CentOS 6 - Servidor de DNS Slave 2.

 Tudo está funcionando muito bem, porém a minha única dúvida é o
 seguinte.

 Quando o arquivo db.dominio.com.br  do
 NS1
 é transferido para o o diretório /var/cache/bind/ do NS2, ele chega
 "criptografado". Quando dou um "cat" no arquivo, ele mostra a saída
 toda "truncada", quase que ilegível.

 Funciona de boa, eu faço pesquisas com o comando "dig" e o servidor
 me mostra os DNSs corretamente.

 Porém, eu gostaria que o arquivo não ficasse criptografado.

 No NS3 o arquivo chega aberto, totalmente legível.

 Alguém sabe o que eu posso fazer para evitar isso?

 Abraços.

 Atenciosamente,

 Henrique Fagundes
 henri...@linuxadmin.com.br 
 Skype: magnata-br-rj
 Linux User: 475399

 http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ 
 http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux
 
 http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/
 
 http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/
 

 __
 Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/portal-aprendendo-linux
 

 Ou envie um e-mail para:
 portal-aprendendo-linux+subscr...@googlegroups.com
 




 --
 Atenciosamente,
 Rodrigo da Silva Cunha


>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Atenciosamente,
Rodrigo da Silva Cunha

Re: Pagina Web en Servidor Wheezy secuestrada!

[alparkom]

El 01/09/16 a las 19:34, OddieX escribió:



Fijate de chequear paso por paso desde el comienzo:

_ Chequea el dominio, a que DNS esta delegado, deja solo los DNS que 
conozcas y tengas acceso
_ Chequea servidores DNS: Fijate de chequear la zona a ver si hay algo 
raro, fijate el TTL que tenes y baja los servers de DNS, si al bajar 
los servers de DNS y esperar el tiempo coinciderable para que expire 
el TTL, sigue resolviendo, el tema viene por el lado de quien te da el 
dominio, contactate con ellos. Tambien cambia las key de los servers 
de DNS y cerra los puertos 953.


Puede llegar a ser un ataque DNS Spoofing, pero chequea lo que te digo 
para sacarte de la duda si tenes algo raro en tus servers.




Podría ser problema de alguna extensión del navegador?

Re: [HS] Utiliser une livebox comme serveur NTP sur son réseau

[Haricophile]

Le Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:23:41 +0200,
Olivier  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> Est-il possible d'utiliser une livebox 3 (pas une livebox pro) comme
> serveur NTP sur son réseau local (la livebox se connecte à des
> serveurs NTP, et les machines du réseau local se connectent à cette
> livebox) ?
> 
> Slts

Normalement il doit suffire de rentrer l'ip de la livebox comme
adresse de serveur NTP si c'est comme chez free. 192.168.1.1 à priori.

-- 
haricoph...@aranha.fr 

Re: Pagina Web en Servidor Wheezy secuestrada!

[OddieX]

El 1 de septiembre de 2016, 19:19, Latincom  escribió:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 11:52:21 +, Latincom wrote:
>
> > Hola
> >
> > Que clase de ataque es cuando al abrir una pagina, esta es direccionada?
> > y como se podria solucionar, por favor?
> > Si la abro por medio de su IP, trabaja normal, e index.html, no ha
> > cambiado.
> >
> > Gracias.
>
> Agrego informacion:
>
> - Mi mensaje anterior, no fue publicado, y lo envie de la IP afectada.
> - Reinicie el ruteador, para evitar que este envenenado.
> - Dig me muestra diferentes IPs.
> - La redireccion es a diferentes paginas con malware.
> - Cambie el servidor DNS y es lo mismo.
>
> Gracias por responder.
>
>
Fijate de chequear paso por paso desde el comienzo:

_ Chequea el dominio, a que DNS esta delegado, deja solo los DNS que
conozcas y tengas acceso
_ Chequea servidores DNS: Fijate de chequear la zona a ver si hay algo
raro, fijate el TTL que tenes y baja los servers de DNS, si al bajar los
servers de DNS y esperar el tiempo coinciderable para que expire el TTL,
sigue resolviendo, el tema viene por el lado de quien te da el dominio,
contactate con ellos. Tambien cambia las key de los servers de DNS y cerra
los puertos 953.

Puede llegar a ser un ataque DNS Spoofing, pero chequea lo que te digo para
sacarte de la duda si tenes algo raro en tus servers.

Re: Pagina Web en Servidor Wheezy secuestrada!

[Latincom]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2016 11:52:21 +, Latincom wrote:

> Hola
> 
> Que clase de ataque es cuando al abrir una pagina, esta es direccionada?
> y como se podria solucionar, por favor?
> Si la abro por medio de su IP, trabaja normal, e index.html, no ha
> cambiado.
> 
> Gracias.

Agrego informacion:

- Mi mensaje anterior, no fue publicado, y lo envie de la IP afectada.
- Reinicie el ruteador, para evitar que este envenenado.
- Dig me muestra diferentes IPs.
- La redireccion es a diferentes paginas con malware.
- Cambie el servidor DNS y es lo mismo.

Gracias por responder.

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Floris]

Op Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:49:15 +0200 schreef Joe :


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
>right click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.



Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...



Probably bug #835465
python-apt_1.1.0~beta5 will be available soon

Floris

Jessie>Stretch Update Challenges

[Paul Gallaway]

Actually, this didn't go too badly. Better than expected even. I have
two systems I upgraded. Ones a desktop I rarely use and it went
perfect so I went for it on my HTPC/mythtv/Steam system as well.

Here's the process I followed:
Changed my sources in /etc/apt/sources.list from jessie to stretch.
Use the release names rather than stable/testing because you will
stick with stretch when it is pushed to stable rather than switching
over to the new testing release.
Changed my /etc/apt/preferences to prefer testing packages over stable.
Ran the updates first with apt-get upgrade and then apt-get
dist-upgrade. Once I could issue an apt-get upgrade without having any
required updates I rebooted the systems. I one system it required an
apt-get -f install when something got hung up but pretty painless
overall.

This update resolved a couple issues I was having:
-LIRC was no longer functioning properly with kernels in Jessie
backports since 4.5 or so (confirmed to continue to work with 4.4). It
seems to 'just work' again with Stretch under kernel 4.6.
-I was having some issues with sound in Steam with one system where I
use SPDIF. I'm not certain at what point it was introduced (I don't
play that often but was there with/without the NVidia videocard but
not on my other desktop system which uses NVidia-legacy) and I don't
know if it was pulse, or alsa or kernel or some configuration file,
but it's working perfectly now.
-With Jessie Backports I had to apply a patch to get the NVidia
modules to compile with 4.x kernels. It wasn't necessary with Stretch.

And here's where I'm still struggling:
-The KDE desktop doesn't want to appear. My system is set for KDM to
autologin my user and start mythtv; this didn't change and worked
perfectly (as does LIRC as mentioned above). However, if I close
mythtv, I get a black screen. I can use alt+F1 to open applications
menu, apparently, I can't see it, it's all black. However, I can type
a program name to make it to launch (like 'system settings' so I could
make the fonts legible from my couch, or web browser, or konsole). So
currently I'm able to launch any of the programs but it sure would be
nice to be able to see what I'm doing. Also the program switcher works
and the task bar so I can see what I have open and switch programs
once they are open. So far I've tried removing .cache and certain
files in .config without success.
-Problem two I'm getting the KDE task bar overtop of the MythTV menu
and videos. However when I open the same recordings using mplayer (and
fullscreen switch) the video goes over the bar.

Based on these two issues I am wondering if it's a compositing issue
related to the NVidia driver ... *sigh* I know, hooray for binary
blobs!

I'll spend some time tonight trying to resolve these two issues but if
there's any insight on migrating to KDE Plasma 5 I'd appreciate it
(last KDE email to the list was March 17 so not holding out hope...).
My other desktop system uses Gnome Shell which appears to be running
fine so maybe I'll just try Gnome Shell but if it's a compositing
problem, I'll likely have the same issue. Mostly I'm posting this as
an FYI for people starting to consider the upgrade. I have one other
laptop that has KDE 4 that I'll hold off on until I can confirm I can
get KDE 5 it to work properly.

[testing] portable ne s'éteint plus

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Bonjour,

Je viens de faire une mise à jour sur mon portable et maintenant il ne
s'éteint plus. Il reste allumé avec en dernière ligne "starting Power Off"

Il me semble que c'est déjà arrivé à certain dans le passé mais je ne me
souviens plus des solutions ?

Gaëtan

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[David Wright]

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 14:08:36 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 August 2016 11:31:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 31 August 2016 15:45:42 Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > > Well and
> > > good -- actually, very good, because it prevents me making the
> > > stupid mistake I frequently make of cc-ing the poster of the mail I
> > > am replying to.
> >
> > But it doesn't prevent Nicolas from deliberately cc-ing most of the
> > rest of us when replying to our mails; which is exceedingly annoying
> > and is NOT in compliance with the CoC.
> >
> > It is, of course, and annoyance one can easily avoid by blacklisting
> > him.
> >
> > Lisi
> 
> I do not know if its CoC correct, but my copy of kmail, courtesy the 
> Trinity people, shows that a "reply-to-list", goes only to the list, 
> while a "reply-all" goes to the list, and CC's the poster, in this case 
> Lisi.

That's very odd. A reply to some entity should go To: them. Cc: is a
carbon copy for someone who is not being replied to.

> And a simple reply says only to the list.  That seems odd as it should 
> reply to Lisi.  Something in the list headers apparently makes the list 
> address a higher priority.  So I use reply-all, then nuke the list 
> address by hand, and change the  Cc: line to a To: line if I want to PM 
> Lisi.

You ought not to have to promote an address in that way when you reply-ALL.

> This works for me, and I am rarely chided about it. I would much druther 
> the reply-all kept track of the posters involved in the thread and CC'd 
> them if I click on the reply-all button, but that would be a memory 
> eating monster of a headache for kmail. FWIW, I turn off kmails thread 
> follower long ago, so I see them in their order of arrival here.
> 
> Those who missed a reply with valuable info in it because they aren't 
> subscribed, expecting to be Cc'd for that whole thread, should 
> subscribe, problem solved.
> 
> If our Mr. George were to use an email agent that did observe a similar 
> protocol, that would stand a good chance of shutting down threads such 
> as this one.

But that would be breaking a perfectly good MUA.

The problem boils down to somebody adding addresses to Mail-Followup-To,
which has a worse effect that just CCing people when replying to d-u,
something that people already moan about. I already defend myself
against the latter with Reply-To: set to the list. Now it appears
I have to defend myself against committing the former by dropping
Mail-Followup-To. Unfortunately mutt cannot divine whether an address
in a received Mail-Followup-To was put there by the unsubscribed
owner, or gratuitously by someone else. It either passes them all
along, or drops them all, AFAICT.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[Stefan Monnier]

> In Korea, all most people are using KakaoTalk (android app).
> If i am wrong, sorry, and let it go to off-topic.

It's not decentralized.  IOW you're dependent on one central
server/company and everything goes through them, they get an insane
amount of data and power this way.


Stefan

Wm gift card

[Honey Bun]

I never recieved a wm card i was lied to, and i was charged on my debit
card 4.95 for postage and delivery fee!!!

Re: Pagina Web en Servidor Wheezy secuestrada!

[TheFox]

Por lo que dices puede tratarse de un ataque de DNS spoofing, pero, para
poderte ayudar mejor, es aconsejable que nos des más datos.

Santiago.

El 1 sept. 2016 13:53, "Latincom"  escribió:

> Hola
>
> Que clase de ataque es cuando al abrir una pagina, esta es direccionada?
> y como se podria solucionar, por favor?
> Si la abro por medio de su IP, trabaja normal, e index.html, no ha
> cambiado.
>
> Gracias.
>
>

Re: Dual boot. Ubuntu update removes Debian GRUB.

[Felix Miata]

Stefan.schultz19.5.1991 composed on 2016-09-01 14:30 (UTC-0400):


Dual boot. Ubuntu update removes Debian GRUB.



Last week I installed a few updates to Ubuntu 14.04. It installed the updates 
and then froze whilst installing Ununtu's grub. After the re-boot, Ubuntu was 
the only choice of O/S. No sign of Debian.



After a few hours I finally got Debian recovery to reinstall the Grub on the 
MBR of the SSD.



Some notes.



128GB SSD /dev/sda (GRUB finally reinstalled here)



Partions



60GB Ubuntu /dev/sda1
4GB Ubuntu swap /dev/sda8
54GB Debian 'Jessie' /dev/sda7 (unlocked)
6GB Debian swap /dev/sda6 (unlocked)



GRUB



4GB Debian GRUB /dev/sda5 (will not boot from this)
Ubuntu boot loader is installed here too.



Encrypted partitions



54GB Debian 'Jessie' /dev/mapper/sda7_crypt
6GB Debian swap /dev/mapper/sda6_crypt



TWO QUESTIONS.



1/ Can anybody explain why the Ubuntu update deleted/removed the Debian GRUB?


Last installed wins always. This gets repeated at update time of a previous 
installation, which is what just happened to you.


This has been explained countless times countless places. Whenever any 
subsequent installation is performed, Windows or Linux, the subsequent 
installer will overwrite the MBR with native code - *unless* you take 
affirmative steps to prevent it from doing so. The how and why is somewhat 
complicated, so in simplest terms, the best thing to do is disallow 
installing anything to the MBR. In practical terms you can't do this with 
Windows, so if Windows will be subsequent, then all you can to is take steps 
in advance to minimize the disruption and ease recovery, something easily 
done in about a minute if familiar with the process and planned for.



2/ Is there a Debian approved GRUB boot customizer? I can't find one
mentioned anywhere.


Booted to Ubuntu, running os-prober ought to find Debian and put it in its 
Grub2 menu. If you want Debian to be the default, first either reconfigure 
the default selection in Ubuntu, or boot Debian to have it reinstall the 
bootloader. On very next boot to Ubuntu, reconfigure Ubuntu to boot from its 
/ partition.



Is it possible to resolve this? This would be a pain in the butt, if I had
to do this at every Ubuntu update!


At least one of the of the two installations needs to have its bootloader 
reconfigured to its / partition instead of MBR.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Dual boot. Ubuntu update removes Debian GRUB.

[Brian]

On Thu 01 Sep 2016 at 14:30:58 -0400, Stefan.schultz19.5.1991 wrote:

> Dual boot. Ubuntu update removes Debian GRUB.
> 
> Hello Debian support,

Hello Stefan. There is only me in the office at the moment but the Night
Shift should be along later.

> Last week I installed a few updates to Ubuntu 14.04. It installed the
> updates and then froze whilst installing Ununtu's grub. After the
> re-boot, Ubuntu was the only choice of O/S. No sign of Debian.

"No sign of Debian" is not our responsibility; contact Ubuntu about it.

> After a few hours I finally got Debian recovery to reinstall the Grub
> on the MBR of the SSD.

Good thinking,
 
> Some notes.

[Snip]
> 
> TWO QUESTIONS.
> 
> 1/ Can anybody explain why the Ubuntu update deleted/removed the
> Debian GRUB?

Ubuntu installs its own GRUB to the MBR. However, the menu it produces
should show all the other OSs.

You would experience the same if you installed another Debian to another
partition. It installs its own GRUB to the MBR and produces a new menu.
If that menu did not have all the other OSs it would be a bug. We would
then spring into action.

> 2/ Is there a Debian approved GRUB boot customizer? I can't find one
> mentioned anywhere.

Please say what you mean by "boot customizer".

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[Henning Follmann]

On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 06:21:22PM +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Henning Follmann 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:12:36PM +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote:
> > > It's not my point of view, It's P2P philosophy.
> > LOL, you really crack me up. P2P philosophy? Seriously?
> > Is that taught at some university? Can you have a P2PhD there?
> 
> ​* Go and visit MIT for CS (& wish that I will visit too!).
> http://freehaven.net/
> ​
> 

Ok, that is ONE! P2P project which happen to have these values you claim
are universal to P2P in general. I am happy that you found an existing
project which aligns with your personal "philosophy" that however doesn't
make this universal to all P2P. So it is a personal opinion.

> 
> >
> >
> > > if you consider the project that try to collect Internet Informations;
> > This
> > > philosophy seems to be rational.
> >
> > And this sentence doesn't even make sense.
> > What project?
> > And if there is a "project" how does the existence automatically imply that
> > it is the highest priority to prevent this from happening
> >
> > ​* First, Sensation ​
> 
> ​needs Informations
> ​
> ​. Second, N
> owadays
>  "Project" isn't so
> secret
> ​!​
> 
 Can you be more opaque?
What the hell are you talking about? And define how to come from the
existence of a "project" to come to a mandatory value hierachy.

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[deloptes]

Joe wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:27:51 +0200
> deloptes  wrote:
> 

Sorry for not being able to answer earlier. There are some points here that
need to be emphasized.

>> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> 
>> >   
>> >> About reliability - I have not seen recently undelivered mails
>> >> (except bounces between gmain and yahoo .
>> > 
>> > Lucky you!
>> > 
>> > Lisi
>> 
>> Luck is something, that is out of scope in terms of software. Use
>> authorized SMTP servers.
> 
> Who authorises them, if not the owner of the domain? Should our
> governments expect to be paid for email server licences?
> 

No one authorizes them, but they are free to accept or reject the
communication with you. The same way that you may reject communication with
others

>> This means you can not install on your linux
>> box an smtp server, send an email and expect it to be delivered.
> 
> I have done so, for about fifteen years. I like it that way.
> 

There are surely way to do this, but in conjunction to the above it boils
down to trust. Trust is fundamental to interaction of any kind.

>> If
>> it is your provider, change it or talk to them. It is not common that
>> messages are rated as spam, when they come out from legal MX records.
> 
> The MX record is not involved in sending. Many companies outsource
> their anti-spamming, or for other reasons use completely different
> sending and receiving servers.
> 
> What you need are complementary domain host A record and IP address
> PTR records, pointing to each other, along with an ISP which doesn't
> host bulk emailers and is otherwise willing to keep itself off
> blacklists.
> 

Yes agreed MX was wrongly stated here by me.

>> As I said DMARC initiative is going on at the moment (and since
>> couple of years) and it will affect the mailing in positive way I
>> hope.
> 
> The main problem with anything like that is that many people have
> relatively complex email arrangements, e.g. forwarding from a number of
> email addresses to another, and these tend to get broken by security
> measures. A couple of years ago my ISP, who had provided email services
> based on sub-domains, outsourced them to an Exchange-based system using
> the MS SPF system. I don't use the provided sub-domain, so it didn't
> involve me, but there was a lot of trouble about it, and eventually the
> ISP grudgingly provided another pair of MX records for a SMTP server
> which did not implement this system.
> 

... and the SPF was configured by default ("next" > "next" style) ... come
on ...

The problem is trust and trust must be established, perhaps in 5y we'll see
another way of mail communication. I do not follow the future that closely,
but for now DMARC seems to be the only way most of the communities and
companies take. I recently got involved into DMARC related project and it
sounds at least promissing.

> Email is still a useful messaging protocol, it is somewhat broken, but
> the cure absolutely must not be worse than the disease, or we'll all
> end up using Facebook.

It is not broken - the design just gets abused too often.

regards

Dual boot. Ubuntu update removes Debian GRUB.

[Stefan.schultz19.5.1991]

Dual boot. Ubuntu update removes Debian GRUB.

Hello Debian support,

Last week I installed a few updates to Ubuntu 14.04. It installed the updates 
and then froze whilst installing Ununtu's grub. After the re-boot, Ubuntu was 
the only choice of O/S. No sign of Debian.

After a few hours I finally got Debian recovery to reinstall the Grub on the 
MBR of the SSD.

Some notes.

128GB SSD /dev/sda (GRUB finally reinstalled here)

Partions

60GB Ubuntu /dev/sda1
4GB Ubuntu swap /dev/sda8
54GB Debian 'Jessie' /dev/sda7 (unlocked)
6GB Debian swap /dev/sda6 (unlocked)

GRUB

4GB Debian GRUB /dev/sda5 (will not boot from this)
Ubuntu boot loader is installed here too.

Encrypted partitions

54GB Debian 'Jessie' /dev/mapper/sda7_crypt
6GB Debian swap /dev/mapper/sda6_crypt

TWO QUESTIONS.

1/ Can anybody explain why the Ubuntu update deleted/removed the Debian GRUB?

2/ Is there a Debian approved GRUB boot customizer? I can't find one mentioned 
anywhere.

Is it possible to resolve this? This would be a pain in the butt, if I had to 
do this at every Ubuntu update!

Thanks for your help.

Stefan


Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com), Swiss-based encrypted email.

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[Brian]

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 14:23:01 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 16:10:37 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote:
> > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIV, David Wright a écrit :
> > > The error might have been mine. I think I CC'd Lisi in error.
> > > The other list I'm on expects people to group-reply.
> > > I forgot myself.
> 
> After some experiments, I think I have to withdraw that explanation.
> Group-reply would have put
> To: Lisi ..., debian-user@lists.debian.org
> whereas my posting had
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: Lisi ...
> which is what list-reply writes¹.
> 
> In fact, the problem was that the posting I replied to had
> Mail-Followup-To: Lisi ..., debian-user@lists.debian.org
> in the header, which mutt dutifully obeyed *and* copied into my reply.

You were also a victim, like me. The source of the infection remains at
large and is still active.

> I might have spotted that Lisi was CC'd, but the copying of
> Mail-Followup-To into my posting happens behind the scenes,
> like handling References.

Does "ask-no" help? Or going the whole hog with "no"?

> I suppose I could set a blank Mail-Followup-To in my composition
> editor to prevent its auto-generation. (I don't do anything
> sophisticated like posting to multiple lists.) But that might defeat
> people who use Mail-Followup-To as a way of receiving replies without
> being subscribed to the list, so maybe that's not a good idea.

Of the approximately 14,000 mails in my -user archive about 1000 have a
MFT header. Out of that 1000 the vast majority designate -user@l.d.o as
the only place where the mail should go to. About 10 have a user's 
address only; 0.1%. Decision time.
 
> > Systematic group-reply is the correct way of using mailing-lists, because it
> > is the only way that does not require the user to waste time for each mail
> > deciding the proper key to hit.
> > 
> > This clause of the code of conduct is unsustainable, and therefore should be
> > ignored until the configuration is fixed and the corresponding clause
> > updated.
> > 
> > In the meantime, let the whiners whine; the non-whiners can unilaterally fix
> > things for themselves by setting the reply-to header, just like you or me.
> 
> Yes, I can't understand why more people don't set it.

Try harder :).

-- 
Brian.

Not a whiner but happy with "L", "r" and "g" in Mutt.
 

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[Amir H. Firouzian]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Henning Follmann 
wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:12:36PM +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote:
> > It's not my point of view, It's P2P philosophy.
> LOL, you really crack me up. P2P philosophy? Seriously?
> Is that taught at some university? Can you have a P2PhD there?

​* Go and visit MIT for CS (& wish that I will visit too!).
http://freehaven.net/
​


>
>
> > if you consider the project that try to collect Internet Informations;
> This
> > philosophy seems to be rational.
>
> And this sentence doesn't even make sense.
> What project?
> And if there is a "project" how does the existence automatically imply that
> it is the highest priority to prevent this from happening
>
> ​* First, Sensation ​

​needs Informations
​
​. Second, N
owadays
 "Project" isn't so
secret
​!​

>
>
> PS.: Please don't top post. Especially not if someone already posted an
> answer below.
>
> ​* Excuse for that :)​


-H
>
> --
> Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com
>
>

Re: postfix mail filtering

[Joe]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:51:10 +0100
Tony van der Hoff  wrote:

> On 31/08/16 13:33, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:21:13 +0100 Tony van der Hoff
> >  wrote:  
> >> So, I'd like to perform the filtering on the server (for my user
> >> initially, then perhaps for others). My extensive googling reveals
> >> that there are many tutorials for filtering spam, but that's not
> >> really my problem.  
> >
> > What you're looking for is an implementation of the Sieve
> > language/system for mail filtering. You don't say what IMAP
> > server you are using, but Dovecot has an implementation of this
> > called "Pigeonhole" that is very likely what you want.
> >
> > Perry
> >  
> Thanks, Perry, I'm actually using Courier, and Google tells me there
> is no Sieve plugin for it. I shudder at reconfiguring the system for
> Dovecot!
> 
> Thanks for giving me another keyword (sieve) to search!
> 
> 

I don't know anything about Postfix, but I'd have thought that the job
of dropping sorted mail into different Maildir directories was one of
its tasks.

Certainly exim4 sorts the mail for me into mail directories used by
Courier, on the basis of a .forward file, and exim4 also implements
Sieve if I ever need real complication.

-- 
Joe

Re: postfix mail filtering

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 31/08/16 15:02, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 01:21:13PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

Hi list,

I'm running postfix under Wheezy on my VPS, using a more or less
out-of-the-box configuration. My users access their mail via IMAP.

I subscribe to a number of mail lists, such as this one. I currently use
Thunderbird's filtering capability to sort mail into a number of
subdirectories within my inbox, which works fine, but requires me to set up
all my workstayions (laptop, home, work) with the same filters. I have now
acquired an Android smartphone, which has no filtering capability. In any
case, keeping a number of workstations in sync is a pain.

So, I'd like to perform the filtering on the server (for my user initially,
then perhaps for others). My extensive googling reveals that there are many
tutorials for filtering spam, but that's not really my problem.

I can't find any tutorials on how to set up filters based on, say subject:,
from:, or to: fields, but feel certain such must exist.
Can any kind person direct me to a suitable tutorial, please?


You can use:

- sieve, a language for controlling filtering on IMAP servers.
  Supported by Thunderbird but not very much else.

- procmail, a language for filtering on delivery (postfix will
  call it) -- widely known, but arcane syntax and requires shell
  access to edit or place the ~/.procmailrc

- maildrop, aka mailfilter, a language for filtering on delivery
  (postfix will call it, too) -- less widely known, but has
  syntax that is much more readable than procmail. Requires
  shell access to place a ~/.mailfilter file.

All of these have Debian packages.



Thanks for the heads-up, Dan. I'll take a look at maildrop.



--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: postfix mail filtering

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 31/08/16 13:33, Perry E. Metzger wrote:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:21:13 +0100 Tony van der Hoff
 wrote:

So, I'd like to perform the filtering on the server (for my user
initially, then perhaps for others). My extensive googling reveals
that there are many tutorials for filtering spam, but that's not
really my problem.


What you're looking for is an implementation of the Sieve
language/system for mail filtering. You don't say what IMAP
server you are using, but Dovecot has an implementation of this called
"Pigeonhole" that is very likely what you want.

Perry

Thanks, Perry, I'm actually using Courier, and Google tells me there is 
no Sieve plugin for it. I shudder at reconfiguring the system for Dovecot!


Thanks for giving me another keyword (sieve) to search!


--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
> Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jimmy,
> 
> >The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >right click and Search is affected too.  
> 
> All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
> testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.
> 

Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...

-- 
Joe

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[Henning Follmann]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:12:36PM +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote:
> It's not my point of view, It's P2P philosophy.
LOL, you really crack me up. P2P philosophy? Seriously?
Is that taught at some university? Can you have a P2PhD there?


> if you consider the project that try to collect Internet Informations; This
> philosophy seems to be rational.

And this sentence doesn't even make sense.
What project?
And if there is a "project" how does the existence automatically imply that
it is the highest priority to prevent this from happening

> 

PS.: Please don't top post. Especially not if someone already posted an
answer below.

-H

-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right 
>click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
I am alone there's nobody there
I Look Alone - Buzzcocks


pgpIVNNoM5F9v.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right 
click and Search is affected too.


--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263
  

Re: Fwd: Problemas con repositorios

[JAP]

El 01/09/16 a las 00:32, Danilo Gonzalez escribió:

Hola,

El 31 de agosto de 2016, 17:43, Juan Lavieri > escribió:

Hola Danilo.


El 31-08-2016 a las 05:51 p.m., Danilo Gonzalez escribió:

Cordial Saludo,

Recientemente instalé Debian 8.5 en mi portátil sin ningún
problema. Una vez finalizada la instalación traté de instalar
algunos paquetes adicionales usando apt-get pero lamentablemente
no funcionó, trate cambiando los repositorios en el
sources.list, tal como indican en algunas páginas web, pero
sigue sin funcionar.

Los repositorios que tengo son:

# Repositoris Principales Debian
deb http://ftp.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

# Repositorios de Seguridad
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates
mdebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.orgain contrib non-free

El error que sale al ejecutar apt-get update es:

Err http://ftp.debian.net jessie InRelease

Err http://ftp.debian.net jessie Release.gpg
  No se pudo conectar a 168.175.55.16:8080
 :






Danilo:

Es recomendable usar los repositorios que tengas más cerca.
Hay varias formas de saber cuáles son.
Una de ellas, es "netselect-apt"
Pero sus resultados, si bien te devuelve el repositorio "más rápido", no 
quiere decir que sea "el mejor".


En mi caso, Argentina, el mejor es el de la Universidad de Buenos Aires. 
(No sé de dónde eres).


Mi configuración es la siguiente:

==
// /etc/apt/apt.conf
APT
{
  Default-Release "jessie";
  Install-Recommends "true";
  Install-Suggests "true";
  Clean-Installed "true";
  Get
  {
 Assume-Yes "false";
 Fix-Broken "true";
 Fix-Missing "true";
 Show-Upgraded "true";
 Purge "true";
 Clean "always";
  };
};
Acquire
{
  Languages "environment";
};


==
#  /etc/apt/preferences

Package: *
Pin: release a=jessie-updates
Pin-Priority: 920

Package: *
Pin: release a=jessie-backports
Pin-Priority: 910

Package: *
Pin: release a=jessie
Pin-Priority: 900



==
#  /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/debian/debian/ jessie-updates main 
contrib non-free


deb http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/debian/debian/ jessie main contrib 
non-free


deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free

deb [arch=amd64] http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main





Espero te sirva.

JAP

Re: Memoria portátil USB - "Analizar y reparar"

[Camaleón]

El Thu, 01 Sep 2016 11:54:00 -0300, JAP escribió:

> El 28/08/16 a las 15:57, Juan Lavieri escribió:

(...)

>> En el caso de la memoria que mencioné en el otro email, una vez que uso
>> la imagen que contiene, normalmente apago la máquina (virtual o física)
>> donde esta conectada y luego la extraigo, por lo que es probable que
>> hayan problemas con el/la cache de la memoria usb y de allí el mensaje.
>>
>> En este enlace:
>>
>> http://www.howtogeek.com/184640/ask-htg-windows-always-wants-to-scan-
and-fix-my-usb-drive-should-i-let-it/
>>
>>
>> se habla de una "system flag" que indica un desmontaje adecuado.

(...)

> Muy útiles tus enlaces.
> En forma manual, funciona con la opción "flush" de mount.

Cuando desmontas la llave con seguridad se usa esa opción (eject/detach). 
Es importante ejecutar esa acción con las memorias extraíbles.

> Ahora tengo el problema de ver dónde diablos KDE determina las opciones
> estándares de montado, para forzar la opción "flush" por defecto en las
> mismas.

Pues hombre, en las reglas udev se determina cómo, qué y dónde montar y 
los entornos gráficos que siguen las directivas de FreeDesktop tendrán 
que respetar esos valores.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Fwd: Problemas con repositorios

[Danilo Gonzalez]

Hola,

Ya se solucionó.

El 1 de septiembre de 2016, 10:01, Felix Perez 
escribió:

> El día 1 de septiembre de 2016, 0:32, Danilo Gonzalez
>  escribió:
> > Hola,
> >
> > El 31 de agosto de 2016, 17:43, Juan Lavieri 
> escribió:
> >>
> >> Hola Danilo.
> >>
> >>
> >> El 31-08-2016 a las 05:51 p.m., Danilo Gonzalez escribió:
> >>>
> >>> Cordial Saludo,
> >>>
> >>> Recientemente instalé Debian 8.5 en mi portátil sin ningún problema.
> Una
> >>> vez finalizada la instalación traté de instalar algunos paquetes
> adicionales
> >>> usando apt-get pero lamentablemente no funcionó, trate cambiando los
> >>> repositorios en el sources.list, tal como indican en algunas páginas
> web,
> >>> pero sigue sin funcionar.
> >>>
> >>> Los repositorios que tengo son:
> >>>
> >>> # Repositoris Principales Debian
> >>> deb http://ftp.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
> >>>
> >>> # Repositorios de Seguridad
> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates
> >>> mdebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.orgain contrib non-free
> >>>
> >>> El error que sale al ejecutar apt-get update es:
> >>>
> >>> Err http://ftp.debian.net jessie InRelease
> >>>
> >>> Err http://ftp.debian.net jessie Release.gpg
> >>>   No se pudo conectar a 168.175.55.16:8080  >:
> >>
> >>
> >> Es probable que ese servidor tenga problemas.  Cambia los repositorios.
> >>
> >> Usa
> >>
> >> #netselect-apt -o archivo-donde-deseas-dejar-la-salida
> >
> > Hola Juan,
> > Gracias por tu sugerencia, pero no funcionó, al parecer el primer paso
> del
> > netselect es descargar una lista de los mirrors de debian usando wget
> pero
> > no se puede obtener dicha lista, ya que se conecta al mismo servidor que
> > aparece en los errores previos.
> > La salida es la siguiente:
> > Using distribution stable.
> > Retrieving the list of mirrors from www.debian.org...
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:25:17--  http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:27:25--  (intento: 2)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:29:35--  (intento: 3)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:31:45--  (intento: 4)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:33:56--  (intento: 5)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:36:08--  (intento: 6)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:38:22--  (intento: 7)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:40:36--  (intento: 8)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:42:51--  (intento: 9)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:45:07--  (intento:10)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:47:25--  (intento:11)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:49:42--  (intento:12)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:51:59--  (intento:13)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:54:16--  (intento:14)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:56:33--  (intento:15)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 21:58:51--  (intento:16)
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
> > Conectando con 168.175.55.16:8080... falló: Expiró el tiempo de
> conexión.
> > Reintentando.
> >
> > --2016-08-31 22:01:08--  

Re: Memoria portátil USB - "Analizar y reparar"

[JAP]

Bien.

La forma de cargar la opción "flush" en KDE para el montaje de memorias 
USB, es liarme con udev.


https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#USB_flash_device

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udisks

Estudiaré, aprenderé, probaré y compartiré.

JAP

Re: Problem source verified -Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Sep 2016 at 13:11:22 (+0100), Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 07:02:14AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >On 8/31/2016 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>On 8/31/2016 10:44 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> >>>Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 09:58 (UTC-0500):
> >>>...
> Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job
> dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de
> 
> 
> Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for
> device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x
> Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Dependency failed for
> /dev/disk/by-uuid/0a344714-ae06-43ed-af89-33ba5193463
> Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Dependency failed for
> Swap.
> >>>
> >>>Which was installed last, Squeeze, or Jessie? You can expect this
> >>>message trying to boot the earlier installed installation after
> >>>having done the later install. Unless you take affirmative action
> >>>to deny it, an existing swap partition used by the earlier
> >>>installation will be reformatted by the later installation.
> >>>Reformatting creates a new UUID, thus making the UUID referring
> >>>to it in the earlier installation's fstab invalid. The earlier
> >>>needs to have its fstab edited to use the correct swap partition
> >>>UUID, or volume label, or device name, if swap is actually
> >>>desired or needed.
> >>
> >>There may be some subtle problems still lurking somewhere which
> >>show up only for people like me doing many installs of *nearly*
> >>identical systems.
> >>
> >>Commenting out the line in /etc/fstab DID allow it to boot
> >>without warning messages.
> >>
> >>However,taking into account Darac's comments, does this now mean
> >>that the machines are now operating without a swap partition?
> >>
> >>IIRC the current instance of Jessie on the laptop was the
> >>chronologically the last OS installed so by the comments in this
> >>thread should not have had the problem. The laptop is my
> >>designated "Guinea pig" so I'll do a fresh install to see if
> >>problem persists.
> >
> >My procedure was:
> >1. Using the Live edition of Gparted, remove all partitions on
> >hard disk.
> >2. Using install DVD 1 of Debian 8.0.0
> >  a. install Debian to /dev/sda1
> >  b. create swap on /dev/sda2
> >3. Verify Debian boots without problems
> >4. Using the same DVD
> >  a. install Debian to /dev/sda5
> >  b. re-create swap on /dev/sda2
> >5. Attempt to boot both instances
> >  a. Booting the install on /dev/sda1 generates the warning
> >message and use
> > of free shows swap does not exist.
> >  b. Booting the install on /dev/sda5 generates no warning message
> >and use
> > of free shows swap does exist.
> >
> >I believe this justifies a bug report against the installer.
> >My expected behavior would be to check to see if a swap area
> >already exists before "creating" a swap partition. Especially
> >since replacing a swap partition can break a previously
> >functioning install in a multi-boot situation.
> >
> >Comments?
> 
> I think that sounds sensible. A swap partition should be considered
> scratch space, and its contents only relevant to the
> currently-booted OS.

I disagree. If you want to share swap space, then you've got to
take appropriate action yourself. The easy way is to LABEL it in
/etc/fstab rather than UUID it, unless you like reading and typing
long strings of hex.

> The only fly in the ointment is hibernation. It's been a while since
> I played with hibernation, but I believe it stores the RAM image
> into Swap, so installing Debian while another OS is hibernated could
> even cause data loss. The solution there is A) to use a swap FILE
> for the hibernation image and B) for Debian to point-blank refuse to
> re-create a swap partition when it detects a hibernation image
> there.

I disagree. Is d-i expected to have a list of partition types, and
contents, that shouldn't be overwritten? Are all the flavours of fdisk
to test all the partitions on a disk before they allow you to
repartition it? If yes, then what about C> FDISK ? This just lulls
people into a false sense of security. Then Windows comes along...

Just as you can install 145 OSes on one PC, you can share swap space
among them, but it's then up to you to work out how to do this safely,
not just file a bug against an innocent installer doing what's asked
of it. The OP has enjoyed help from a sizeable thread entitled
"Problem with NON-STANDARD install" (his emphasis) which focussed
mainly on Grub. Perhaps we have to look forward to more problems
arising from the non-standard circumstances, but these will all
help with the OP's desired learning process.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Pagina Web en Servidor Wheezy secuestrada!

[limpia]

On 2016-09-01 06:55, Raphael Verdugo P. wrote:

Podrias ser un DNS-spoofing

2016-09-01 8:52 GMT-03:00 Latincom :


Hola

Que clase de ataque es cuando al abrir una pagina, esta es
direccionada?
y como se podria solucionar, por favor?
Si la abro por medio de su IP, trabaja normal, e index.html, no ha
cambiado.

Gracias.


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BOFH
No tiene sufficiente detalles, para decir seguro de que clase de ataque 
es, pero yo hizo una busqueda,


https://lmsptfy.com/?q=Que%20clase%20de%20ataque%20es%20cuando%20al%20abrir%20una%20pagina%2C%20esta%20es%20direccionada%3F

 Son muchos resultos:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoofing
 Y mas,...

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Re: How often are RealTek drivers brought up to date for Debian?

[Dan Purgert]

sebast...@reuter.pw wrote:
> Hello Debian Support team,
>
> QUESTION...
>
> Please can you tell me whether the RealTek drivers for
> rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux, can be approved for Debian, so Tails is able to
> work with this fast wireless dongle?

Seems that they're already widely available -- you just have to build
them from source.  This is usually the case for the "latest" drivers,
especially with Debian Stable.

"Debian Stable" doesn't typically add in new things that could break its
stability (such as drivers) -- the updates are mainly for security
flaws.

Ubuntu would get the new drivers at some point, but that'd probably be
in a point release (e.g. 16.04.1) that updates to whatever the current
kernel at the time is -- though, that does assume the kernel includes
the mentioned Realtek drivers ;)

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Re: Problem source verified -Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

[claude juif]

2016-09-01 14:02 GMT+02:00 Richard Owlett :

> On 8/31/2016 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 8/31/2016 10:44 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 09:58 (UTC-0500):
>>> ...
>>>
 Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job
 dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de


 Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for
 device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x
 Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Dependency failed for
 /dev/disk/by-uuid/0a344714-ae06-43ed-af89-33ba5193463
 Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Dependency failed for
 Swap.

>>>
>>> Which was installed last, Squeeze, or Jessie? You can expect this
>>> message trying to boot the earlier installed installation after
>>> having done the later install. Unless you take affirmative action
>>> to deny it, an existing swap partition used by the earlier
>>> installation will be reformatted by the later installation.
>>> Reformatting creates a new UUID, thus making the UUID referring
>>> to it in the earlier installation's fstab invalid. The earlier
>>> needs to have its fstab edited to use the correct swap partition
>>> UUID, or volume label, or device name, if swap is actually
>>> desired or needed.
>>>
>>
>> There may be some subtle problems still lurking somewhere which
>> show up only for people like me doing many installs of *nearly*
>> identical systems.
>>
>> Commenting out the line in /etc/fstab DID allow it to boot
>> without warning messages.
>>
>> However,taking into account Darac's comments, does this now mean
>> that the machines are now operating without a swap partition?
>>
>> IIRC the current instance of Jessie on the laptop was the
>> chronologically the last OS installed so by the comments in this
>> thread should not have had the problem. The laptop is my
>> designated "Guinea pig" so I'll do a fresh install to see if
>> problem persists.
>>
>
> My procedure was:
> 1. Using the Live edition of Gparted, remove all partitions on hard disk.
> 2. Using install DVD 1 of Debian 8.0.0
>a. install Debian to /dev/sda1
>b. create swap on /dev/sda2
> 3. Verify Debian boots without problems
> 4. Using the same DVD
>a. install Debian to /dev/sda5
>b. re-create swap on /dev/sda2
> 5. Attempt to boot both instances
>a. Booting the install on /dev/sda1 generates the warning message and
> use
>   of free shows swap does not exist.
>b. Booting the install on /dev/sda5 generates no warning message and use
>   of free shows swap does exist.
>
> I believe this justifies a bug report against the installer.
>

It is not a bug. If you want to use the same swap partition with multiple
install, then you should not reformat the swap partition. How can the
installer guess that you want to use the same swap partition for multiple
OS. (reinstalling the same system is a common task -- but i always wonder
why ...)

Maybe you want to add warning message before formatting like "Care, a swap
partition already exist at /dev/sdaXX, would you like to reformat it ?"

IMO, you should know what you're doing. It's not the installer job to
"think" for you ! The installer just does what you ask him to do !


> My expected behavior would be to check to see if a swap area already
> exists before "creating" a swap partition. Especially since replacing a
> swap partition can break a previously functioning install in a multi-boot
> situation.
>

By the way you can have a look at debootstrap if you want multiple debian
install, (only one booted OS, but multiple Debian OS accessible with chroot)

If you want more powerfull way of doing this you can check lxc, and docker.
Today multiboot seem really deprecated (unless you have windows)


>
> Comments?
>
> Regards,

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 01 September 2016 06:50:13 Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 8/31/2016 11:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 11:25 (UTC-0500):
> >> Commenting out the line in /etc/fstab DID allow it to boot
> >> without warning messages.
> >>
> >> However,taking into account Darac's comments, does this now mean
> >> that the machines are now operating without a swap partition?
> >
> > If fstab has no uncommented lines for swap, then there will no
> > swap enabled. Among ways to see if swap is currently active are
> > top and free.
>
> Thank you.
> For we of tri-focal generation I recommend using free.
> The relavant info is more easily found ;/

As a glasses wearer for 75 years, and one of the tri-focal crowd for 
about 65 years, I cheat, making use of the multiple workspaces windowing 
system, I have a multitab terminal-4.8 session open on workspace 1. The 
first tab has a 'sudo htop' run on it, first thing after a reboot, so I 
can always kill a runaway session of firefox or iceweasel that refuses 
to die on request. Accessable in 2 clicks no matter how stuffed the 
system is.

Next tab has a "sudo tail -fn400 /var/log/messages" on it so I can look 
at the whole boot log if I want, and the next 3 or 4 tabs are tailing 
other stuff that automate much of what I do here.

workspace 2 has a duplicate of a multitab terminal-4.8 on it, each tab 
logged into a different machine on my local network with an 
"ssh -Y machine-alias".

I could go on for 8 more "workspaces", but you get the idea.;-)
And after 19+ days of uptime, I have 39 megs of stuff in swap. And I'm 
still on wheezy LTS.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Genes Web page 

Re: [jessie] how to file bug report against update that broke other packages?

[D. R. Evans]

Jonathan Dowland wrote on 09/01/2016 03:07 AM:
> 
> I'd report it against gscan2pdf in the first instance. The maintainers of the
> package which has broken will be best equipped to figure out whether or not 
> the
> problem needs changes in the gscan2pdf package or elsewhere; the bug can 
> always
> be reassigned later if needs be.

Thank you. After some thought, I had come to the same conclusion; so I'll do
that when I get a chance later today.

  Doc

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[HS] Utiliser une livebox comme serveur NTP sur son réseau

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

Est-il possible d'utiliser une livebox 3 (pas une livebox pro) comme
serveur NTP sur son réseau local (la livebox se connecte à des serveurs
NTP, et les machines du réseau local se connectent à cette livebox) ?

Slts

Problem source verified -Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

[Richard Owlett]

On 8/31/2016 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 8/31/2016 10:44 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 09:58 (UTC-0500):
...

Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de


Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for
device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x
Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Dependency failed for
/dev/disk/by-uuid/0a344714-ae06-43ed-af89-33ba5193463
Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Dependency failed for
Swap.


Which was installed last, Squeeze, or Jessie? You can expect this
message trying to boot the earlier installed installation after
having done the later install. Unless you take affirmative action
to deny it, an existing swap partition used by the earlier
installation will be reformatted by the later installation.
Reformatting creates a new UUID, thus making the UUID referring
to it in the earlier installation's fstab invalid. The earlier
needs to have its fstab edited to use the correct swap partition
UUID, or volume label, or device name, if swap is actually
desired or needed.


There may be some subtle problems still lurking somewhere which
show up only for people like me doing many installs of *nearly*
identical systems.

Commenting out the line in /etc/fstab DID allow it to boot
without warning messages.

However,taking into account Darac's comments, does this now mean
that the machines are now operating without a swap partition?

IIRC the current instance of Jessie on the laptop was the
chronologically the last OS installed so by the comments in this
thread should not have had the problem. The laptop is my
designated "Guinea pig" so I'll do a fresh install to see if
problem persists.


My procedure was:
1. Using the Live edition of Gparted, remove all partitions on 
hard disk.

2. Using install DVD 1 of Debian 8.0.0
   a. install Debian to /dev/sda1
   b. create swap on /dev/sda2
3. Verify Debian boots without problems
4. Using the same DVD
   a. install Debian to /dev/sda5
   b. re-create swap on /dev/sda2
5. Attempt to boot both instances
   a. Booting the install on /dev/sda1 generates the warning 
message and use

  of free shows swap does not exist.
   b. Booting the install on /dev/sda5 generates no warning 
message and use

  of free shows swap does exist.

I believe this justifies a bug report against the installer.
My expected behavior would be to check to see if a swap area 
already exists before "creating" a swap partition. Especially 
since replacing a swap partition can break a previously 
functioning install in a multi-boot situation.


Comments?

Re: Pagina Web en Servidor Wheezy secuestrada!

[Raphael Verdugo P.]

Podrias ser un DNS-spoofing

2016-09-01 8:52 GMT-03:00 Latincom :

> Hola
>
> Que clase de ataque es cuando al abrir una pagina, esta es direccionada?
> y como se podria solucionar, por favor?
> Si la abro por medio de su IP, trabaja normal, e index.html, no ha
> cambiado.
>
> Gracias.
>
>


-- 
Raphael Verdugo P.
BOFH

How often are RealTek drivers brought up to date for Debian?

[sebast...@reuter.pw]

Hello Debian Support team,

QUESTION...

Please can you tell me whether the RealTek drivers for
rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux, can be approved for Debian, so Tails is able to
work with this fast wireless dongle?
--

More details.

I'm a new convert to Debian/Tails/open source, I'm learning fast!

Unfortunately I don't have easy access to a land line for Internet
access anymore.

I have just purchased the latest wireless dongle from CoredyTech..

This is Coredy's web page for drivers, including Linux.

http://coredytech.com/goods-89-Coredy+AC1200+Dual+Band+USB+WiFi+Adapter.html

With a lot of help from a neighbour we eventually got it working with
Ubuntu 14.04, 64 bit, and Debian 'Jessie' with the instructions and
command lines, from this site, not the cd rom!

https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7#TOC-Realtek-RTL8812AU-chipset-0bda:8812-

COMMAND LINES...

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential git

git clone https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

cd rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

make

sudo make install

An interesting observation, it uses

13.4 MB installed in Ubuntu and
106.7 MB installed in Debian.
It works first time, everytime time in Debian, and is erratic connecting
to a wireless connection in Ubuntu, but once connected works fine.

Yours sincerely

Seb

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

[Richard Owlett]

On 8/31/2016 11:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 11:25 (UTC-0500):


Commenting out the line in /etc/fstab DID allow it to boot
without warning messages.



However,taking into account Darac's comments, does this now mean
that the machines are now operating without a swap partition?


If fstab has no uncommented lines for swap, then there will no
swap enabled. Among ways to see if swap is currently active are
top and free.


Thank you.
For we of tri-focal generation I recommend using free.
The relavant info is more easily found ;/

I want to offer you something

[Marvin Luck]

Hello,


My name is Mai and I am SEO manager.

I visited your great site
debian.2.n7.nabble.com/LZ4-decompression-on-Boot-td3406993.html and saw a
link to http://www.jeux-gratuits.com/

I would like to know how can I also get a link to one of our brands from
your domain? Article post or backlink?

Do you want to exchange or prefer to get payment for the link?
Feel free to contact me back with any thought you have on mind...


Best Regards,
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Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[Brian]

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 15:04:26 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 00:34:47 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > 
> > Additionally, I have learned a little more about mutt's behaviour.
> > 
> >   (default: L)
> > 
> > Reply to the current or tagged message(s) by extracting any addresses 
> > which
> > match the regular expressions given by the lists or subscribe commands, 
> > but
> > also honor any Mail-Followup-To header(s) if the $honor_followup_to
> > configuration variable is set. In addition, the List-Post header field 
> > is
> > examined for mailto: URLs specifying a mailing list address. Using this
> > when replying to messages posted to mailing lists helps avoid duplicate
> > copies being sent to the author of the message you are replying to.
> > 
> > Your mail had a Mail-Followup-To header to debian-user and Lisi Reisz. I
> > think it was this rather than the Cc that got me a telling off.
> 
> You got there a lot faster than I did. Presumably you don't/didn't
> have any special treatment of followup_to and honor_followup_to in
> your .muttrc file.

I decided many years ago that 'set followup_to=yes' didn't do anything
for me. What I hadn't realised is that the combination of the default
honor_followup_to and pressing 'L' could lead to a CC'ing-by-proxy chain
of events.

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 02:49:05PM -0400, Alan McConnell wrote:

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:16:00AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I have Jessie installed on a desktop and a laptop. They both take about
105-110 seconds to boot. Squeeze on the desktop takes ~15 seconds to boot.

  My jessie install also takes a long time to boot.  A lot of it
  is because of attempts to start/stop/do something with
  COMRESET.  Eventually, after a minute, the boot process 'gives
  up'.

  What is COMRESET?  What does it do? can I get rid of these
  attempts?


A quick search of the internet leads me to 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/174137/should-i-be-concerned-about-comreset-errors-with-my-ssd 
which suggests that COMRESET is the kernel RESETing COMmunications with 
an ata device (a hard disk). If you have one message, such as the linked 
poster had, then it's probably not a problem. If you see a lot of them, 
then you may have a bad cable (or a bad hard disk, or a bad disk 
controller).




TIA for anticipated information/help.

Alan McConnell

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 done that."  Eventually, Memory yields.(Friederich Nietzsche)



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Re: [jessie] how to file bug report against update that broke other packages?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 02:44:13PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote:
> As of a few days ago the gscan2pdf program is no longer functioning properly
> in up-to-date jessie.

I'd report it against gscan2pdf in the first instance. The maintainers of the
package which has broken will be best equipped to figure out whether or not the
problem needs changes in the gscan2pdf package or elsewhere; the bug can always
be reassigned later if needs be.


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Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[claude juif]

2016-08-31 14:31 GMT+02:00 Brian :

> On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 10:54:53 +0200, claude juif wrote:
>
> > > Le 31 août 2016 9:48 AM, "Joe"  a écrit :
> > >
> > > Email is still a useful messaging protocol, it is somewhat broken, but
> > > the cure absolutely must not be worse than the disease, or we'll all
> > > end up using Facebook.
>
> > Come on guys, the OP ask about instant messaging and mail is everything
> > except instant messaging.
>
> With two machines running mail servers (no smarthosts or any of that
> nonsense) the messaging is virtually instantaneous. The protocol used
> has a good track record and is reliable and robust. It might not suit
> what the OP or his respondents want but the bits and pieces to build
> such a system are all in Debian.
>

Yep but it will depend on the number of messages (and their rate) sent.
Virtually instantaneous for 2 people, but for 500 ?

In France we rely heavily on centralised messaging system like Hipchat, or
Slack.

In the old day, we used bonjour (Apple protocol) for instant messaging with
pidgin. Works great but not reliable.

If one machine is down a secondary MX should take up the slack and
> deliver the message when it comes back online.
>
>

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

[claude juif]

2016-08-31 15:44 GMT+02:00 Stefan Monnier :

> > It's better that your message Not arrive instead of being disclose! and
> > This is the philosophy behind True P2P IM systems.
>
> Oh, I don't need 100% absolutely guaranteed delivery.
>
> Just some reasonable expectation that messages won't be silently dropped
> on the floor in fairly normal circumstances.
>
> E.g. some email messages just don't get delivered, for instance because
> they're misflagged as spam, but I still consider email as "reliable".
>
> As a counter example, XMPP silently drops messages in various normal
> circumstances, which XEP-0198 tries to address, similarly SIP tends to
> drop messages on the floor if the destination is not currently
> connected.  Another problem with XMPP is when you use several clients,
> in which case not all clients will necessarily see all messages.
>

You can have a look at astrachat (http://www.astrachat.com/)

It's a XMPP client available on Linux, Android, IOS, and Windows.


>
> As another example, BitMessage's approach of keeping messages for
> 2 days, together with some way for the sender to know if the message has
> been received, seems good enough.
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Stefan Monnier <
> monn...@iro.umontreal.ca>
> > wrote:
>
> >> > You can't have all the best together.
> >>
> >> What does that mean, exactly?  Are you saying it doesn't have reliable
> >> message delivery?  If so, that'd be a deal breaker for me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Stefan "shocked that anyone would want to design or use an
> >> unreliable messaging system"
> >>
> >>
> >> > This mention in previous E-Mails as well. E.g:
> >> <20160817192400.GB9964@alum>
> >>
> >> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Stefan Monnier <
> >> monn...@iro.umontreal.ca>
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > I think you looking for TOX!
> >> >> > Visit TOX Project website:
> >> >> > https://tox.chat
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.  That does look promising (although I don't see any mention
> of
> >> >> reliable delivery),
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Stefan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Stefan Monnier <
> >> >> monn...@iro.umontreal.ca>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm looking for a decentralized instant message system (e.g. XMPP,
> >> SIP,
> >> >> >> ...) where I can be sure that I receive all messages, even if I'm
> not
> >> >> >> connected when the message is sent [ Obviously, I'll only receive
> >> them
> >> >> >> when I'm back online.  ]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> IIUC there is some XMPP features that allow such reliable
> delivery,
> >> but
> >> >> >> it seems that it's not widely supported by clients.  What Debian
> >> >> >> clients, using which protocols, can provide reliable instant
> >> messaging?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Stefan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> PS: Bonus points if that feature is also available on an Android
> >> >> >> application that's Free Software.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
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