Re: OT?: FAT32(/16?) Question: Max. files in top level

[Xen]

do...@mail.com schreef op 26-12-2016 3:41:


I encountered this many times on windowz FAT32 in a non-root dir, but
never on Linux. I suspect that it was/is one of their "Features". The
said "Feature" still was there when using ntfs in XP if I remember
correctly.


Perhaps it's just because Windows Explorer doesn't deal well with many 
files. Try to unpack some open source archive of some distributor that 
had to make their sources open, some 1G archive, and see how it goes. 
Not recommended :p.


Then when you've unpacked it, deleting it takes a few years as well. So 
imposing a filesystem limit may just have been a way to ensure that 
their user interface limit is not quickly reached, I don't know.

Re: Constant crash on Debian 8.x in Dell T5610

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 29/12/16 16:03, Julio Cesar Mendez Carvajal wrote:

Dear community; I have recently installed Debian 8.x (last edition stable) in 
my workstation. I am facing frequent, but TO FREQUENT crashes in the system. As 
a result, the system restart too frequently. Is there any problem with the 
system or any other bug that other people have experienced with Debian 8.x. I 
am planning to switch to KDE, I have read that some user have switch to KDE for 
new workstations.
Any help will be very helpful!!!


Crashes are unusual. Was the system stable with other versions of Debian 
or other operating systems?


My checklist:

(1) Basic hardware test:

- Test memory with memtest86+ (found at the boot prompt or on 
installation media).


- Stress test using mprime (prime95). Some crashes can be caused by 
stress due to overheating or power supply problems.


(2) Graphics drivers can cause crashes:

- What graphics device and driver are you using?

- If you are using a recent Intel Skylake CPU/IGPU, you are strongly 
advised to use a recent kernel.


Other culprits are BIOS or ACPI problems. These are very hardware specific.

lshw will list all your hardware.

Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Pendrive computer

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 29/12/16 15:31, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:

What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
PDA's of a decade ago.

I think they're called 'smartphones'.

Hardware wise,  if all cell network connectivity was removed - OK.


Remove or do not install a SIM. WiFi will continue to work and can be 
turned on and off as you please.



It would have to be delivered as a "rooted" device so I could install
only the software that I actually wanted rather than what some marketer
that never met me just knew I desperately needed.


Purchase an Android device designed to be rooted, such as one of the 
Google Nexus range (developer mode unlocks the bootloader). Install a 
cruft-free third-party ROM based on AOSP, for example, CyanogenMod. Note 
that CyanogenMod is currently in transition to LineageOS and many 
services are down.


If you object to installing Google Play services, do not install Open 
GApps. In any case, you can use F-Droid:

https://f-droid.org/

I do not know if there are vendors who will deliver a pre-rooted smartphone.


IOW I want Linux, *NOT* Windows ;/


My Nexus 5X is running CyanogenMod 13.0 (Android 6.0.1 "Marshmallow") on 
Linux 3.10.73.


adb, fastboot, and MTP file transfer work fine on Debian unstable. These 
were sufficient to install and upgrade CyanogenMod.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Quirks noted with install on new machine

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 4:53 PM, Brian wrote:

On Wed 28 Dec 2016 at 04:48:41 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


There is a separate issue with default font sizes that I've noticed before,
but am now motivated to address. Default fonts are annoyingly small. I know
how to adjust them on a per user per font basis in Mate's "Appearance
Preferences" menu. As there will ever be exactly one human seeing this
machine, where can change the default setting from "10" to "16" system wide
[preferably by preseeding]? If it would also change the font size of the
User login screen that would be much appreciated.


When you adjust the fonts to your liking the config will be stored in
a file in your home directory. Locate the file and copy it to your USB
stick. Have a late_command in your preseed file transfer the file to a
home directory on /target.



Found the file. If I do as you say, will it automatically be used 
for any "user" I create in the future?

Re: Quirks noted with install on new machine

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 4:46 PM, Brian wrote:

On Wed 28 Dec 2016 at 04:48:41 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


I just purchased a used Lenovo T430 and did my interpretation of a minimal
install of Debian 8.6.0 with a Mate DE.

During install was a warning message that two non-free drivers were
"required". As I had none available I chose the option to continue without
installing. It went on and I have an apparently fully functional system.

I have two questions:
1. Is there a log somewhere that would tell me what it thought was missing?
The laptop may have a feature that I've never used but would like if I
knew it existed.


grep -i firmware /var/log/installer/syslog


What's missing is related to wifi which I'll not be using in the 
immediate future.



2. The explicit raison detre of this laptop is to serve as a test bed for,
for want of a better term, alternative configurations. All install will be
done with a very custom preseed.cfg file. If I'm not interested in whatever
functionality provided by this non-free software, is there a way to bypass
that particular warning?


https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt



That suggests that I should add
d-i hw-detect/load_firmware boolean false
to my preseed.cfg . But might that disable something I do need?

Re: Pendrive computer

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 2:50 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 03:13:46 PM Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:

On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
the following


Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
product specific reference.
If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.


Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
but haven't found any for Debian.


URL? ?? ???


Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.



Fascinating. That page has too much advertising hype to be 
attractive.

However, it prompted me to Google
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22compute+stick%22+%22touchscreen%22++linux+-windows
That gave some tantalizing links that I didn't have the time to 
explore.


To think out loud - how about a compute stick with battery in 
shirt pocket and a wireless connected touch screen in hand. See 
lots of possible problems. Worth mulling over.

Constant crash on Debian 8.x in Dell T5610

[Julio Cesar Mendez Carvajal]

Dear community; I have recently installed Debian 8.x (last edition stable) in 
my workstation. I am facing frequent, but TO FREQUENT crashes in the system. As 
a result, the system restart too frequently. Is there any problem with the 
system or any other bug that other people have experienced with Debian 8.x. I 
am planning to switch to KDE, I have read that some user have switch to KDE for 
new workstations. 
Any help will be very helpful!!!

Thanks
JM

Re: Pendrive computer

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:




What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
PDA's of a decade ago.


I think they're called 'smartphones'.


Hardware wise,  if all cell network connectivity was removed - OK.
It would have to be delivered as a "rooted" device so I could 
install only the software that I actually wanted rather than what 
some marketer that never met me just knew I desperately needed.


IOW I want Linux, *NOT* Windows ;/





Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
factor is terminally CLUNKY.


That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
makes them useful in the real world.


They serve a significant market. I'm just not part of that market.
Using software as an analogy, my world view resembles the target 
audience of "Linux From Scratch" &/or Slackware but I'm willing 
to trade some of that flexibility for the convenience of Debian's 
repository of precompiled and tested software.





Besides which I'm looking for an
"off the shelf" solution.


To which *precise* problem?



Me ;} Think in terms of Greek archetypes.

jessie: ALSA fails on first use after reboot

[D. R. Evans]

I have a 32-bit system running jessie that gives the following error the first
time that I try to use ALSA following a reboot:
  ERROR: Cannot open audio device: hw:0,0
  error number -16
  Device or resource busy

It doesn't seem to matter how long I wait following a reboot, the above error
always occurs on the first use. If I run the same program again, even if I do
so immediately, the error goes away and everything is fine.

Is there some way to find out what process is using ALSA when snd_pcm_open()
returns that error? (If indeed there is such a process.)

  Doc

-- 
Web:  http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR



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Re: Quirks noted with install on new machine

[Brian]

On Wed 28 Dec 2016 at 04:48:41 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> There is a separate issue with default font sizes that I've noticed before,
> but am now motivated to address. Default fonts are annoyingly small. I know
> how to adjust them on a per user per font basis in Mate's "Appearance
> Preferences" menu. As there will ever be exactly one human seeing this
> machine, where can change the default setting from "10" to "16" system wide
> [preferably by preseeding]? If it would also change the font size of the
> User login screen that would be much appreciated.

When you adjust the fonts to your liking the config will be stored in
a file in your home directory. Locate the file and copy it to your USB
stick. Have a late_command in your preseed file transfer the file to a
home directory on /target.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Quirks noted with install on new machine

[Brian]

On Wed 28 Dec 2016 at 04:48:41 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I just purchased a used Lenovo T430 and did my interpretation of a minimal
> install of Debian 8.6.0 with a Mate DE.
> 
> During install was a warning message that two non-free drivers were
> "required". As I had none available I chose the option to continue without
> installing. It went on and I have an apparently fully functional system.
> 
> I have two questions:
> 1. Is there a log somewhere that would tell me what it thought was missing?
>The laptop may have a feature that I've never used but would like if I
>knew it existed.

grep -i firmware /var/log/installer/syslog

> 2. The explicit raison detre of this laptop is to serve as a test bed for,
>for want of a better term, alternative configurations. All install will be
>done with a very custom preseed.cfg file. If I'm not interested in whatever
>functionality provided by this non-free software, is there a way to bypass
>that particular warning?

https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt

-- 
Brian.

Re: Pendrive computer

[deloptes]

Joe wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
>> following (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried
>> loading Debian (or any Linux) on it?
>> 
>> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
>> 
> 
> This the kind of thing you're looking for?
> 
>
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/install-debian-linux-firetv-t3171645
>
https://www.amazon.com/All-New-Fire-TV-Stick-With-Alexa-Voice-Remote-Streaming-Media-Player/dp/B00ZV9RDKK/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1482962310&sr=1-1&keywords=amazon+computer+stick

more pricy with pure debian/ubuntu on intel compute stick
https://liliputing.com/2015/07/simplest-way-to-load-ubuntu-on-intel-compute-stick-with-windows-so-far.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel-compute-stick.html

Re: OT: Read-Only NFS-mounted Debian System for Library Kiosk PCs, using KACE K2000 as PXE?

[deloptes]

David Niklas wrote:

>> Just as a quick recap: I'm looking to have the K2000 offer a Debian
>> NFS/remote X session to Dell PCs when they netboot, so that I can
>> configure some library diskless read-only kiosks allowing library
>> patrons to run a web browser, maybe open a document editor, and print.
>> I could accomplish the Debian kiosk setup by installing on the local
>> drive, but then I'll have multiple machines to maintain, whereas a
>> netboot remote-NFS setup would be a configure-once-configure-everywhere
>> situation, and would remove the necessity of having and imaging the the
>> local drives.
>> 
>> It's okay that no one here knows how; I knew it was a long shot, but
>> thought I'd ask.

You typically would configure the machines/block of mac addresses to boot
via nfs that has the debian image unless the K2000 is used as dhcp server
and you can not change it. Why would you do this via another system (thus
add overhead)? Linux works pretty well without such overhead. It has been
done multiple times and there are good guides how you can create, maintain
and distribute customized solutions, pros and contra.

regards

Re: Pendrive computer

[Joe]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:

>
> 
> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with 
> PDA's of a decade ago.

I think they're called 'smartphones'.

> 
> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form 
> factor is terminally CLUNKY.

That's because there are all those socket thingies all over them. Which
makes them useful in the real world.

> Besides which I'm looking for an 
> "off the shelf" solution.

To which *precise* problem?

-- 
Joe

Re: Pendrive computer

[Joe]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> following (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried
> loading Debian (or any Linux) on it?
> 
> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> 

This the kind of thing you're looking for?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/install-debian-linux-firetv-t3171645
https://www.amazon.com/All-New-Fire-TV-Stick-With-Alexa-Voice-Remote-Streaming-Media-Player/dp/B00ZV9RDKK/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1482962310&sr=1-1&keywords=amazon+computer+stick

-- 
Joe

Re: Can Synaptic when used with Mate be tweaked

[Joe]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 14:10:18 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 12/28/2016 11:06 AM, Joe wrote:

> >
> > Have you no icon (magnifying glass) at all?  
> 
> That is correct.
> 
> > If this is missing, you have some kind of installation problem with
> > Synaptic,  
> 
> I suspected as much. The FIND function does exist and is 
> available thru one of the menus.
> 
> > blow away and try again.  
> 
> How do I "blow away"?

aptitude purge synaptic
apt-get purge synaptic

 as preferred. You should really be able to 'mark for complete removal'
from Synaptic, but I've learned never to ask for trouble, and would use
some other tool to remove Synaptic itself. Then either apt-get or
aptitude to install.

> 
> >  If you want a search text input icon in addition to the
> > basic magnifying glass search, you need the non-default
> > apt-xapian-index package and a few dependencies.  
> 
> Not quite ;) I wish "NORMAL" 'quote' operation 'unquote'.
> IOW, "what did I mess up?"
> 

Nothing, as far as I know. I'm reasonably sure the basic search is
built-in, and does not need any kind of add-on. I like the Xapian
search, so I do add that, but YMMV.


> 
> What I was really hoping for would be a solution of form examine 
> sr0 first then sr1, chose whichever had the appropriate CD/DVD.
> 
I'm reasonably sure that the lines in the traditional sources.list will
be checked in order, and anything not present will not cause trouble.
But I don't think there's any syntax for 'treat whatever you find in
location X as a repository', I think you do need to use the exact name
of the CD-ROM or the file path of the mounted drive. You might try a
careful study of man sources.list, but I don't think you'll win. On the
other hand, I believe the apt repository system is extensible, so such
a search might be added.

-- 
Joe

Re: Pendrive computer

[Miles Fidelman]

On 12/28/16 3:13 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:

On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
the following



Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
product specific reference.
If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.



Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
but haven't found any for Debian.



URL? ?? ???


Google:  "Intel Compute Stick"

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 03:15:35 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 12:12 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >> following  (basically a computer on a stick / pendrive) and tried
> >> loading Debian (or any  Linux) on it?
> >> 
> >> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> > 
> > Not sure what "computer on a stick" you're thinking of.
> > All the ones I've come across run Android rather than Windows.
> > Many of them can run Debian as well, tho ease of installation and amount
> > of support vary depending on the SoC in use etc...
> 
> URL of ANY "computer on a stick"?

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

Re: Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 03:13:46 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
> >>> the following
> >> 
> >> Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
> >> product specific reference.
> >> If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
> >> Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
> >> such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
> >> segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
> >> the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
> > 
> > Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
> > model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
> > discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
> > Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
> > but haven't found any for Debian.
> 
> URL? ?? ???

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

Re: Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 01:20:07 PM Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >> following
> > 
> > Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a product
> > specific reference.
> > If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
> > Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured such a
> > device. You started receiving requests from a market segment requiring
> > no additional hardware engineering costs and the market wanted a free
> > (as in speech &/or beer) OS.
> 
> Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with WIndows, but one model
> seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been discontinued).  The
> specs say that they only have drivers for Windows.  Google reports some
> install instructions for Ubuntu, but haven't found any for Debian.

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

Re: Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 01:20:06 PM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 9:20 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA256
> > 
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
> > 
> > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >> following (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried
> >> loading Debian (or any Linux) on it?
> >> 
> >> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> > 
> > This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
> > http://www.fit-pc.com/web/
> 
> Did you have an explicit product in mind?
> They obviously have the technical expertise to meet my needs.
> However their obvious target audience is OEM &/or mass marketers.
> 

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.



> What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with
> PDA's of a decade ago.
> The "application" specific compute power would be satisfied by
> equivalent of a 2 MHz Z80A with <= 640k of RAM. I do not have the
> expertise to estimate how much compute power that would be
> required to drive a current touch screen display.
> 
> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form
> factor is terminally CLUNKY. Besides which I'm looking for an
> "off the shelf" solution.
> 
> > They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.
> > 
> > I have not personally tried these.
> > 
> > -

Re: Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 01:12:47 PM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> > following  (basically a computer on a stick / pendrive) and tried
> > loading Debian (or any  Linux) on it?
> > 
> > Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> 
> Not sure what "computer on a stick" you're thinking of.
> All the ones I've come across run Android rather than Windows.
> Many of them can run Debian as well, tho ease of installation and amount
> of support vary depending on the SoC in use etc...

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

Re: Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:20:37 AM Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
> 
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> >following (basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading
> >Debian (or any Linux) on it?
> >
> >Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
> 
> This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/
> 
> They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.
> 
> I have not personally tried these.

Charlie,

Thanks--although I see a picture of something that looks like it might be what 
I'm looking at, I don't see any description or price (despite looking at their 
long list of available products).


Oops, sorry, in the original post, I left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

Oops, sorry, left off the name and link:

Intel Compute Stick CS125 Computer with Intel Atom x5 Processor and Windows 10

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-Processor-
BOXSTK1AW32SC/dp/B01AZC4NHS/?tag=logicemail-20&ascsubtag=ceb730c4-376e-493a-
ab22-33e99d7aa8b4

It looks like a USB pendrive.

> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following 
(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any 
Linux) on it?

>Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?

Re: OT?: FAT32(/16?) Question: Max. files in top level

[doark]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:46:25 +0100
Nicolas George  wrote:
> > As I recall that there is (or used to be?) a limit on the number of
> > files in the
> > top level directory of a FAT32 (or 16?) partition / drive.  If you
> > needed to
> > have more files in a directory, you had to create a subdirectory
> > (and, as I
> > recall, there was no limit on the number of files in a subdirectory).
> > Does anybody else (reading this) recall that, and recall more
> > details, like
> > the maximum number of files and which FAT systems (32 or 16) this
> > applied to,
> > and, further, is it still a limit on FAT32?
> > The limit might have existed in FAT12 as well (or some similar
> > limit), but as
> > I recall it was in FAT16 or later.  
> 
> In FAT like many filesystems, directories are just files that contain
> the name of other files and pointers to their data. The size of
> directories is limited by the size of the file that implements it. It
> can grow as needed.
> 
> Except in FAT, the root directory is statically allocated, and can not
> grow.
> 
> You can observe the -r option to mkdosfs for example.


I encountered this many times on windowz FAT32 in a non-root dir, but
never on Linux. I suspect that it was/is one of their "Features". The
said "Feature" still was there when using ntfs in XP if I remember
correctly.

It's not hard to trigger. Just mount a flash drive and make some file
using, for example, a script (or wget -m https://wikipedia.org).

Sincerely,
David

Subject: firefox + flashplayer on slow pc

[David Niklas]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 23:10:52 +0100
deloptes  wrote:

> I have an older notebook with ATI. (Actually I gave it to a friend)
> Recently I updated to OS is ubuntu 16.04 from 12.x.
> 
> glxgears looks good, but after installing later firefox when watching
> some YT it slows down and video breaks. even lowering quality to 360 is
> not very good.
> 
> I installed older version of FF and it was much better but still not
> good.
> 
> Do you have any idea how I can improve this?
> 
> thanks
I have an ATI 7780 card on Gentoo linux, kernel 4.8.15 with amdgpu-ucode
20160628, new kernel amd drivers (FLOSS ones), FF 50.1.0, and gnash
0.8.10_p20160329-r1
I can't complain, they are very stable and good. AMD is making great
progress on this front IMHO, though not all features are implemented.

BTW: FF *always* eats CPU cycles. Try qupzilla.

Sincerely,
David

Re: OT: Read-Only NFS-mounted Debian System for Library Kiosk PCs, using KACE K2000 as PXE?

[David Niklas]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:01:26 -0600
Kent West  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 AM, emetib  wrote:
> 
> > kent,
> >
> > i just looked up quest k2000 and there is no mention of linux at all.
> >
> > are you looking at changing the whole system and putting linux on it?
> > trying to have microsoft give a tftp linux image?
> >
> >  
> 
> The K2000 is a "System Deployment Appliance", originally developed by a
> company named KACE, bought by Dell, and recently sold to Quest.
> 
> It's basically for building/scripting and distributing computer images.
> For example, you buy 100 new Dell computers for your company. You have a
> standard Windows 10 image you've built, that has MS-Office and Firefox
> and Chrome and Adobe Creative Cloud and company-emblazoned screen
> savers, etc. You tell the K2000 to push this image to your 100 new
> Dells and rename them and add them to the domain, and you're done.
> 
> You can do the same for your new Macs, putting test lab images on the 10
> Macs headed to the testing lab, developer-friendly images for the 6
> coders, presentation-friendly images for the 4 classroom-podium Macs,
> and the Solitaire-only image for the CEO's MacBook. Push a button; BAM!
> The Macs are imaged and ready to be delivered.
> 
> The K2000 has a PXE boot system built in, so that we can configure our
> campus-wide DHCP server to feed the K2000's IP address to client
> computers that are booted to the network; the K2000 then feeds a PXE
> image of some sort to the client PC/Mac, which is typically a
> stripped-down Windows BartPE-type image or a slim Mac OS X image, that
> gives just enough functionality over the network to then run hardware
> diags or disk partitioners or the imaging process.
> 
> It's my understanding that the K2000, although not natively supporting
> other OSes, can be made to boot pretty much any system image. But it
> takes tinkering, and although I didn't expect there to be many
> tinkerers in the world that had the tinkering skill-set to work with
> both Debian NFS/remote booting and the K2000, I thought if any place
> would have the expertise it would be debian-user.
> 
> Just as a quick recap: I'm looking to have the K2000 offer a Debian
> NFS/remote X session to Dell PCs when they netboot, so that I can
> configure some library diskless read-only kiosks allowing library
> patrons to run a web browser, maybe open a document editor, and print.
> I could accomplish the Debian kiosk setup by installing on the local
> drive, but then I'll have multiple machines to maintain, whereas a
> netboot remote-NFS setup would be a configure-once-configure-everywhere
> situation, and would remove the necessity of having and imaging the the
> local drives.
> 
> It's okay that no one here knows how; I knew it was a long shot, but
> thought I'd ask.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

I recommend you try the linuxquestions.org folks.
If you ever get it working consider contributing how you did it. Perhaps
at the linux documentation project (ldp).

Sincerely,
David

Re: Pendrive computer

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 12:12 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
following  (basically a computer on a stick / pendrive) and tried
loading Debian (or any  Linux) on it?



Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?


Not sure what "computer on a stick" you're thinking of.
All the ones I've come across run Android rather than Windows.
Many of them can run Debian as well, tho ease of installation and amount
of support vary depending on the SoC in use etc...


URL of ANY "computer on a stick"?

Re: Pendrive computer

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 12:20 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:

On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like
the following



Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a
product specific reference.
If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured
such a device. You started receiving requests from a market
segment requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and
the market wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.



Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with Windows, but one
model seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been
discontinued).  The specs say that they only have drivers for
Windows.  Google reports some install instructions for Ubuntu,
but haven't found any for Debian.



URL? ?? ???

Re: Can Synaptic when used with Mate be tweaked

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 11:06 AM, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 06:33:11 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:


I've just installed Jessie with Mate DE to a new machine.

On previous installs on other machines, a search icon was present
on Synaptic's menu bar. It is not there now, what have I done
differently?


Have you no icon (magnifying glass) at all?


That is correct.


If this is missing, you have some kind of installation problem with Synaptic,


I suspected as much. The FIND function does exist and is 
available thru one of the menus.



blow away and try again.


How do I "blow away"?


 If you want a search text input icon in addition to the
basic magnifying glass search, you need the non-default
apt-xapian-index package and a few dependencies.


Not quite ;) I wish "NORMAL" 'quote' operation 'unquote'.
IOW, "what did I mess up?"




My machine is a laptop whose CD eject button is small and in an
awkward location. Is there anyway to have Synaptic eject rather
than unmount the CD when it has finished with it?


Probably not Synaptic as such


That is what I suspected.


, but a right-click on the drive in a file
manager should give an 'eject' option, or there may be an up arrow
beside the drive name. You probably have to close anything which is
currently using the drive.


Yepp, that is essentially my workaround.




[As a side note, I have noticed that some USB flash drives have a
"safe remove" option, others have only an "eject" option. I would
prefer USB flash drives to only have an unmount option. Possible?]


Don't know, I generally use a file manager with USB drives, and just
hit the up arrow beside the drive when I'm finished. If more than one
partition is mounted, clicking on one arrow blinks the light on the
drive (if it has one) and unmounts all partitions.


To paraphrase a burger joint ad of yester-year - "I want it my way".



As an alternative to the above, is there any way to have Synaptic
use an external USB connected drive rather than the internal CD?


I would think you'd have to make sure it has a fixed name, and give it
a sources.list file uri entry.


What I was really hoping for would be a solution of form examine 
sr0 first then sr1, chose whichever had the appropriate CD/DVD.





The external drive is moderately faster and has a convent eject
button.


Are you in the market for flying nun jokes?


So I can't spell.
Decades ago I knew a sister who would be rolling on floor laughing!
Her Mother Superior would be grimacing with a smile on her face.
Nuns *DO* have a sense of humor ;)

Re: chgrp with user

[deloptes]

Xen wrote:

> Xen schreef op 27-12-2016 23:13:
> 
>> Lost my temper there, Winston would say. Yes, I play video games too.
>> What's the problem with that? You have a problem with that too? :).
> 
> Also still want to add, If I may.
> 

No need to be so sensitive to what I say. We also do "wrong" things, but do
not discuss them :)
It was repeated couple of times what your options are regarding your
problem. I don't think much more can be said and done.

> That even Mediawiki probably doesn't provide all the tools you'd need to
> completely circumvent the filesystem.
> 
> For example, no one in his right mind would probably use Media-wiki
> specific tools to back up the database. Also Media-wiki probably stores
> all content in the database, so it is not even equivalent here.
> 

The scope defines the right and wrong. The scope in your case is simply
wrong - accept it! 

> Those people who say you are doing the wrong thing would also resort to
> the wrong thing if shit hit the fan. And that's all I can say about it.
> If they really ended up in a problem situation they would *also* do that
> "wrong thing" to solve the problem and get or keep their company
> running, for instance.

After 15+y of experience with big size companies I could say a lot of people
get payed so that such thing never happens and even if happens a backup
plan has been signed off and tested already ... so probably not true. If
true ... some one was an i**ot and will get fired

> 
> When in a practical situation all those petty concerns about what is
> right and what is wrong do not matter anymore. What matters then is
> results and nothing else. That,  I wanted to say here.
> 

There is always right and wrong - the scope defines it and we are always
bound to a specific scope/context.

> You will use the appropriate tools to solve the problem at hand NOW,
> yes, you too will do that. And if the "right tools" won't do that, you
> will use the "wrong tools" because they then actually yield results
> whereas the "right tools" don't for example because they do not even
> exist.
> 

Many people told you it is inappropriate to run web server with your
credentials (write access to your data etc)

I prefer using php build in server, where possible. Where not possible I
work on a test system ( like virtual server configured to run on localhost
only etc)

There are so many options. My insult was because you refuse to use your
imagination and insist to do it the wrong way.
Talking about complaining, I think you complain the most.

> I really wonder if anyone here backs up a Media-wiki database for
> example by using some Media-wiki "export" function or if in fact you
> back up the (MySQL) database yourself. I really think I can predict all
> of us are going to use filesystem tools indeed. And not Media-wiki
> tools.
>

Only a db dump will not be sufficient
 
> Drupal for instance has "drush sql-dump" to export the (MySQL) database
> but are you seriously going to use that every time you export or back-up
> the database? Why should you?
> 

yes. why? because it is intended to the work that I need to be done.

> I don't like snapshots but they are certainly the easiest way to back-up
> any filesystem without interruption. And even if you didn't mysqldump
> might still be the more appropriate tool
> (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/mysqldump.html) and will cover
> other databases as well (tables) (and besides) drush sql-dump uses
> mysqldump too.
> 

no need to comment this, I hope you understand why

> Everyone in the right position would use the "wrong" tool because it
> would work whereas the "right" tool would not or would not even be
> available. When it comes down to it, practical matters supersede
> theoretical concerns, but you can't see this from the comfort of your
> seat into another person's computer or site or server.
> 

I don't remember when it was the last time I had a situation when I did or
used the wrong tool. You have to spent a bit more time on planning and you
don't have situations, where you have to do something wrong to solve a
problem. Usually I would say 3/4 is planning and 1/4 is working - it's
because being a human means you have a brain and if you use it more, you
use your hands less. A pure principle of economy in nature :)

> So please, some leniency with the "inadequacies" of other people because
> they might be doing the right thing whereas you can't see that they do
> because you do not have the information for it. Not all situations are
> identical and everyone chooses the appropriate path for him or herself.
> 
> I hope that is enough now.
> 

No need to advocate for yourself. I simply don't understand the frustration,
but hopefully you will forgive if I have insulted you in some way.
I think your question has been answered and you can find your way. You have
received many ideas in how your problem may be solved easily.

Please also keep in mind this is a public list - a lot of people read it and
we write th

Re: Pendrive computer

[Miles Fidelman]

On 12/28/16 1:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the 
following



Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a product 
specific reference.

If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured such a 
device. You started receiving requests from a market segment requiring 
no additional hardware engineering costs and the market wanted a free 
(as in speech &/or beer) OS.




Most of the models seem to come pre-loaded with WIndows, but one model 
seems to come with Ubuntu (though that may have been discontinued).  The 
specs say that they only have drivers for Windows.  Google reports some 
install instructions for Ubuntu, but haven't found any for Debian.


--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: Pendrive computer

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 9:20 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following
(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any
Linux) on it?

Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?



This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/


Did you have an explicit product in mind?
They obviously have the technical expertise to meet my needs.
However their obvious target audience is OEM &/or mass marketers.

What I'm looking for is a retail product that would compete with 
PDA's of a decade ago.
The "application" specific compute power would be satisfied by 
equivalent of a 2 MHz Z80A with <= 640k of RAM. I do not have the 
expertise to estimate how much compute power that would be 
required to drive a current touch screen display.


Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form 
factor is terminally CLUNKY. Besides which I'm looking for an 
"off the shelf" solution.


They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.

I have not personally tried these.

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Re: Pendrive computer

[Stefan Monnier]

> Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the
> following  (basically a computer on a stick / pendrive) and tried
> loading Debian (or any  Linux) on it?

> Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?

Not sure what "computer on a stick" you're thinking of.
All the ones I've come across run Android rather than Windows.
Many of them can run Debian as well, tho ease of installation and amount
of support vary depending on the SoC in use etc...


Stefan

Re: Pendrive computer

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 8:31 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following


To just what was the referent of "the following"?
Is there a specific product that prompted your query?



(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any
Linux) on it?

Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?


Even if preloaded with Windoze I would be interested in a product 
specific reference.

If it can run Windows(TM) it can run a "real" OS.
Imagine you were VP of sales of a company that manufactured such 
a device. You started receiving requests from a market segment 
requiring no additional hardware engineering costs and the market 
wanted a free (as in speech &/or beer) OS.

Re: k3b can't find cdrecord

[Gary Dale]

On 28/12/16 12:34 PM, Alberto Luaces wrote:

Gary Dale writes:


I'm running Debian/Stretch AMD64 using plasma desktop and I'm trying
to burn a CD image. However when I start k3b, I get an error message
"unable to find cdrecord executable" along with the suggestion that I
install cdrtools. K3b refuses to burn the CD image.

There is no package cdrtools but there was libcdr-tools. Unfortunately
installing that didn't help. Google was no help and neither was a
search of packages.debian.org.

I realize optical media is passé these days, but I find it difficult
to believe that support for burning CDs has been dropped. What do I
have to do to get k3b to burn a CD?



You can install wodim, this is what I use and it works fine.

Had wodim installed for a long time. One thing I find strange is that 
the k3b package still refers to cdrecord instead of to wodim since it 
appears to use wodim natively (locate doesn't find a cdrecord link to 
wodim).

Re: k3b can't find cdrecord

[Alberto Luaces]

Gary Dale writes:

> I'm running Debian/Stretch AMD64 using plasma desktop and I'm trying
> to burn a CD image. However when I start k3b, I get an error message
> "unable to find cdrecord executable" along with the suggestion that I
> install cdrtools. K3b refuses to burn the CD image.
>
> There is no package cdrtools but there was libcdr-tools. Unfortunately
> installing that didn't help. Google was no help and neither was a
> search of packages.debian.org.
>
> I realize optical media is passé these days, but I find it difficult
> to believe that support for burning CDs has been dropped. What do I
> have to do to get k3b to burn a CD?
>
>

You can install wodim, this is what I use and it works fine.

-- 
Alberto

Re: k3b can't find cdrecord

[Gary Dale]

On 28/12/16 11:29 AM, Gary Dale wrote:
I'm running Debian/Stretch AMD64 using plasma desktop and I'm trying 
to burn a CD image. However when I start k3b, I get an error message 
"unable to find cdrecord executable" along with the suggestion that I 
install cdrtools. K3b refuses to burn the CD image.


There is no package cdrtools but there was libcdr-tools. Unfortunately 
installing that didn't help. Google was no help and neither was a 
search of packages.debian.org.


I realize optical media is passé these days, but I find it difficult 
to believe that support for burning CDs has been dropped. What do I 
have to do to get k3b to burn a CD?




OK, got it. I tried to use wodim from the command line and didn't have 
permission. Changing it to a+x allowed k3b to find it.

k3b can't find cdrecord

[Gary Dale]

I'm running Debian/Stretch AMD64 using plasma desktop and I'm trying to 
burn a CD image. However when I start k3b, I get an error message 
"unable to find cdrecord executable" along with the suggestion that I 
install cdrtools. K3b refuses to burn the CD image.


There is no package cdrtools but there was libcdr-tools. Unfortunately 
installing that didn't help. Google was no help and neither was a search 
of packages.debian.org.


I realize optical media is passé these days, but I find it difficult to 
believe that support for burning CDs has been dropped. What do I have to 
do to get k3b to burn a CD?

Re: Can Synaptic when used with Mate be tweaked

[Joe]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 06:33:11 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I've just installed Jessie with Mate DE to a new machine.
> 
> On previous installs on other machines, a search icon was present 
> on Synaptic's menu bar. It is not there now, what have I done 
> differently?

Have you no icon (magnifying glass) at all? If this is missing, you
have some kind of installation problem with Synaptic, blow away and
try again. If you want a search text input icon in addition to the
basic magnifying glass search, you need the non-default
apt-xapian-index package and a few dependencies.

> 
> My machine is a laptop whose CD eject button is small and in an 
> awkward location. Is there anyway to have Synaptic eject rather 
> than unmount the CD when it has finished with it?

Probably not Synaptic as such, but a right-click on the drive in a file
manager should give an 'eject' option, or there may be an up arrow
beside the drive name. You probably have to close anything which is
currently using the drive.

> [As a side note, I have noticed that some USB flash drives have a 
> "safe remove" option, others have only an "eject" option. I would 
> prefer USB flash drives to only have an unmount option. Possible?]

Don't know, I generally use a file manager with USB drives, and just
hit the up arrow beside the drive when I'm finished. If more than one
partition is mounted, clicking on one arrow blinks the light on the
drive (if it has one) and unmounts all partitions.
> 
> As an alternative to the above, is there any way to have Synaptic 
> use an external USB connected drive rather than the internal CD? 

I would think you'd have to make sure it has a fixed name, and give it
a sources.list file uri entry.

> The external drive is moderately faster and has a convent eject 
> button.

Are you in the market for flying nun jokes?

-- 
Joe

Re: Pendrive computer

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:31:20 -0500
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

>Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following 
>(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any 
>Linux) on it?
>
>Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?
>

This company has a preloaded USB stick that is the entire computer -
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/

They will preload any OS, Linux, Mac, Windows.

I have not personally tried these.

- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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Certbot: Too many certificates already issued for exact set of domains

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hello,

I had a problem with certbot, a program what automatically renews Lets
Encrypt certificates. And it refuses when I wanted to renew by hand,
because certbot did try it allready to often.

I did not found what I need using a search engine, other then "there is
no way other then to wait 7 days".

But there is. What you can do is add an extra name to your DNS, like
"www2.abc.nl", make your apache config listen to it, and then create an
certificate with an extra name, using "-d www2.abc.nl".

Because there is an extra name in the certificate, letsencrypt sees it
as another certificate and will register.

What I did before, is removing everything from the certificate in
/etc/letsencrypt/ and in the apache virthost.

Hope this helps!

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

For searchengines the whole error:
Attempting to renew cert from /etc/letsencrypt/renewal/abc.nl.conf
produced an unexpected error: urn:acme:error:rateLimited :: There were
too many requests of a given type :: Error creating new cert :: Too many
certificates already issued for exact set of domains: abc.nl,www.abc.nl.
Skipping.

I've changed the domain-name.


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Pendrive computer

[rhkramer]

Just wondering if anybody on here has acquired something like the following 
(basically a computer on a  stick / pendrive) and tried loading Debian (or any 
Linux) on it?

Have you found any that aren't preloaded with Windows?

Re: Can Synaptic when used with Mate be tweaked

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/28/2016 7:31 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 06:33:11AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


As an alternative to the above, is there any way to have Synaptic use an
external USB connected drive rather than the internal CD? The external drive
is moderately faster and has a convent eject button.



A CONVENT EJECT BUTTON? Brilliant!

I love your typos man. You are a continuous source of gems of
miscommunication. Please don't ever learn to spell.




You don't ever see some of the good ones.
My spell choker does a fantastic jog ;/

Re: Can Synaptic when used with Mate be tweaked

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 06:33:11AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> As an alternative to the above, is there any way to have Synaptic use an
> external USB connected drive rather than the internal CD? The external drive
> is moderately faster and has a convent eject button.
> 

A CONVENT EJECT BUTTON? Brilliant!

I love your typos man. You are a continuous source of gems of 
miscommunication. Please don't ever learn to spell.

Re: Preventing ACL on cdrom drive...

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 28/12/2016 à 11:19, Nimrod a écrit :



I guess I have to specify suitable permission in the above file. I
tried with:

ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1", GROUP="users", MODE="0660"

(on a single line), but it seems that GROUP and MODE are simply
ignored.


Sorry, I'm wrong again: the above line actually sets suitable permission
on /dev/sr0.


Anyway I do not think that it helps.


So the problem is at mount point  level. The cdrom is
mounted under /media/CDROM, but whatever permission I give to /media the
CDROM subdirectory is owned by user 1000 and nobody can umount it except
user 1000 (that's me, but if another user mount it, "eject" prompts me
with my own credentials in order to actually eject the CDROM).


AFAIK, the ability for anyone to unmount the filesystem is not related 
to the permissions on the mount point but to the "users" mount option.



I didn't find any way to mount /media/CDROM avoiding this annoying
behaviour.


Mount with a line in /etc/fstab with options noauto,users.

Can Synaptic when used with Mate be tweaked

[Richard Owlett]

I've just installed Jessie with Mate DE to a new machine.

On previous installs on other machines, a search icon was present 
on Synaptic's menu bar. It is not there now, what have I done 
differently?


My machine is a laptop whose CD eject button is small and in an 
awkward location. Is there anyway to have Synaptic eject rather 
than unmount the CD when it has finished with it?
[As a side note, I have noticed that some USB flash drives have a 
"safe remove" option, others have only an "eject" option. I would 
prefer USB flash drives to only have an unmount option. Possible?]


As an alternative to the above, is there any way to have Synaptic 
use an external USB connected drive rather than the internal CD? 
The external drive is moderately faster and has a convent eject 
button.


TIA

Re: chgrp with user

[Xen]

Xen schreef op 27-12-2016 23:13:


Lost my temper there, Winston would say. Yes, I play video games too.
What's the problem with that? You have a problem with that too? :).


Also still want to add, If I may.

That even Mediawiki probably doesn't provide all the tools you'd need to 
completely circumvent the filesystem.


For example, no one in his right mind would probably use Media-wiki 
specific tools to back up the database. Also Media-wiki probably stores 
all content in the database, so it is not even equivalent here.


Those people who say you are doing the wrong thing would also resort to 
the wrong thing if shit hit the fan. And that's all I can say about it. 
If they really ended up in a problem situation they would *also* do that 
"wrong thing" to solve the problem and get or keep their company 
running, for instance.


When in a practical situation all those petty concerns about what is 
right and what is wrong do not matter anymore. What matters then is 
results and nothing else. That,  I wanted to say here.


You will use the appropriate tools to solve the problem at hand NOW, 
yes, you too will do that. And if the "right tools" won't do that, you 
will use the "wrong tools" because they then actually yield results 
whereas the "right tools" don't for example because they do not even 
exist.


I really wonder if anyone here backs up a Media-wiki database for 
example by using some Media-wiki "export" function or if in fact you 
back up the (MySQL) database yourself. I really think I can predict all 
of us are going to use filesystem tools indeed. And not Media-wiki 
tools.


Drupal for instance has "drush sql-dump" to export the (MySQL) database 
but are you seriously going to use that every time you export or back-up 
the database? Why should you?


I don't like snapshots but they are certainly the easiest way to back-up 
any filesystem without interruption. And even if you didn't mysqldump 
might still be the more appropriate tool 
(http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/mysqldump.html) and will cover 
other databases as well (tables) (and besides) drush sql-dump uses 
mysqldump too.


Everyone in the right position would use the "wrong" tool because it 
would work whereas the "right" tool would not or would not even be 
available. When it comes down to it, practical matters supersede 
theoretical concerns, but you can't see this from the comfort of your 
seat into another person's computer or site or server.


So please, some leniency with the "inadequacies" of other people because 
they might be doing the right thing whereas you can't see that they do 
because you do not have the information for it. Not all situations are 
identical and everyone chooses the appropriate path for him or herself.


I hope that is enough now.

Regards.

Stretch and WiFi ALMOST working

[Mark Fletcher]

Hello

Some of you may remember this thread I started earlier this month:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/12/msg00130.html

in which I asked for opinions on the best way to connect a stretch box 
using WiFi. After being educated by the various responses, I went back 
and took another look at the box in question and found that not only was 
NetworkManager installed, but it was being used for the existing 
connections. So, contrary to what I said towards the end of that thread, 
I decided to just adjust the NetworkManager config to get the network to 
work the way I wanted.

After some jiggering about I eventually figured out that I had multiple 
instances of the connection setup to both my main WiFi AP and to the 
extension AP I had added. Some of those were limited to specific users 
while others were open to all users. I binned the specific ones and kept 
the ones that were open to all users, one for each connection. By 
including the WiFi PSK for each connection (one for the main AP and one 
for the extension) in the relevant connection config and changing the 
psk-flags from 1 to 0, I had connections happening automatically at boot 
instead of waiting for a login. And, by adding to the config files a 
line saying autoconnect-priority=X I was able to get the machine to 
favour the extension and fall back to the main AP if the extension is 
not available. All very nice.

However, I now discover that Avahi is not doing its thing properly any 
more, and other machines on my network cannot see this machine by name. 
Its IP address right now is 192.168.11.13 and its name is affinity. I 
have another machine on my network, a jessie box, which is called kazuki 
and happens to be at IP 192.168.11.4 right now. From kazuki I can ping 
affinity by IP address, and likewise from affinity I can ping kazuki by 
IP address, but ping kazuki.local from affinity and ping affinity.local 
from kazuki both fail with "ping: unknown host X" where X is the machine 
I am trying to ping, after a pause that suggests some sort of attempt to 
find the other machine is being made.

Before I made the NetworkManager changes on affinity, this would happen 
sometimes, but if I "woke up" affinity by pinging it by IP address, I 
could then get the name to resolve. Now I can never get the name to 
resolve.

Anyone got any bright ideas how to figure out what is going on here? 
Looking in the systemd journal I can't see anything being written when 
trying to do the lookups. Avahi daemon is starting, healthily as far as 
I can tell, on both machines. Other machines can look up kazuki on the 
network by name without problems, eg my wife's iPad which uses it as a 
print server. So the problem most likely is at the affinity end, but I 
need help to diagnose it.

TIA

Mark

Quirks noted with install on new machine

[Richard Owlett]

I just purchased a used Lenovo T430 and did my interpretation of 
a minimal install of Debian 8.6.0 with a Mate DE.


During install was a warning message that two non-free drivers 
were "required". As I had none available I chose the option to 
continue without installing. It went on and I have an apparently 
fully functional system.


I have two questions:
1. Is there a log somewhere that would tell me what it thought 
was missing?
   The laptop may have a feature that I've never used but would 
like if I

   knew it existed.
2. The explicit raison detre of this laptop is to serve as a test 
bed for, for
   want of a better term, alternative configurations. All 
install will be done
   with a very custom preseed.cfg file. If I'm not interested in 
whatever
   functionality provided by this non-free software, is there a 
way to bypass

   that particular warning?

There is a separate issue with default font sizes that I've 
noticed before, but am now motivated to address. Default fonts 
are annoyingly small. I know how to adjust them on a per user per 
font basis in Mate's "Appearance Preferences" menu. As there will 
ever be exactly one human seeing this machine, where can change 
the default setting from "10" to "16" system wide [preferably by 
preseeding]? If it would also change the font size of the User 
login screen that would be much appreciated.


On a related note, when I set the display font size to readable 
the labels for desktop icons tend to overlap. Where can icon 
spacing be set?


TIA

Re: Preventing ACL on cdrom drive...

[Nimrod]

On Mon, 2016-12-26 at 22:16 +0100, Nimrod wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-12-26 at 18:29 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: 
> 
> > Le 26/12/2016 à 17:28, Nimrod a écrit :
> > > On Sat, 2016-12-24 at 05:20 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > >
> > >> Does it help if you mount the cdrom as shared?
> > >> See https://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/udisks.8.html →
> > >> UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED
> > >
> > > No, it doesn't. The disk is already mounted in a shared directory, but
> > > its name is "/media//CDROM", and permissions are restricted to
> > >  only, where  is the one who first logged in the Gnome
> > > desktop.
> > 
> > /media/ is not a shared directory.
> 
> Sorry, you're right. I followed the above suggestion, but the result
> is not a great step forward: if another user tries to eject the cdrom,
> he's asked with the password of the user who logged for first.
> 
> I guess I have to specify suitable permission in the above file. I
> tried with:
> 
> ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto",
> ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1", GROUP="users", MODE="0660"
> 
> (on a single line), but it seems that GROUP and MODE are simply
> ignored.

Sorry, I'm wrong again: the above line actually sets suitable permission
on /dev/sr0. So the problem is at mount point  level. The cdrom is
mounted under /media/CDROM, but whatever permission I give to /media the
CDROM subdirectory is owned by user 1000 and nobody can umount it except
user 1000 (that's me, but if another user mount it, "eject" prompts me
with my own credentials in order to actually eject the CDROM).

I didn't find any way to mount /media/CDROM avoiding this annoying
behaviour.

Deep darkness again.

> 
> Thanks a lot anyway. 
> 
> > 

Re: Sub interface not working in Debian 8

[Xen]

Muhammad Yousuf Khan schreef op 28-12-2016 8:10:

Thanks issue is resolved. as i mentioned tcpdump command not receving
packets from ISP gateway. thus we discussed this matter with ISP and
the restarted the router. and things got fixed. it seems that ISP
router keeps the old MAC entries thats why it didn't worked


Nice, so assumption was correct. Thank you.