Re: system drive encryption question

[tomas]

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On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 05:31:38PM -0600, FHDATA wrote:
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> I am not currently using debian as linux OS but
> considering it ...
> 
> 
> If I clean install debian (latest of course) and during
> the install process have  its / (system drive)
> encrypted with pass-phrase 
> 
> then later on, can I add a key, residing on
> a usb flash drive,  to that encryption?

I assume the encryption will be LUKS based (the default here). LUKS
supports several key slots (8 if I remember correctly), and cryptsetup's
man page mentions a luksAddKey command, so it should be possible.

I haven't tried it myself yet, though.

Regards
- -- tomás
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Re: Jesse Xfce wallpaper stuck

[David Christensen]

On 04/04/2017 09:10 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

On my dual video Lenovo thinkpad T520, I had this same issue. I deleted
all the nvidia video stuff, then installed the intel I965 video files.
Rebooting allowed the system to come and set the correct resolution.
Then the backgrounds worked correctly.


Thanks for the reply.


That sounds like a sledge hammer work-around.


I should add that wallpaper was working correctly until I did an 
'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' last Sunday:


2017-04-05 20:38:21 dpchrist@jesse ~/src
$ grep upgrade /var/log/dpkg.log
2017-04-02 09:19:25 upgrade libfbembed2.5:amd64 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5 
2.5.3.26778.ds4-5+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:28 upgrade firebird2.5-server-common:amd64 
2.5.3.26778.ds4-5 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:29 upgrade libfbclient2:amd64 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5 
2.5.3.26778.ds4-5+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:30 upgrade firebird2.5-common:all 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5 
2.5.3.26778.ds4-5+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:31 upgrade firebird2.5-common-doc:all 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5 
2.5.3.26778.ds4-5+deb8u1

2017-04-02 09:19:32 upgrade libgstreamer1.0-0:amd64 1.4.4-2 1.4.4-2+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:34 upgrade libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:amd64 1.4.4-2 
1.4.4-2+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:35 upgrade libwbclient0:amd64 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u4 
2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5
2017-04-02 09:19:37 upgrade libsmbclient:amd64 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u4 
2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5
2017-04-02 09:19:38 upgrade samba-libs:amd64 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u4 
2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5
2017-04-02 09:19:40 upgrade samba-common:all 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u4 
2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5
2017-04-02 09:19:41 upgrade eject:amd64 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1 
2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:42 upgrade gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0:amd64 1.4.4-2 
1.4.4-2+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:44 upgrade gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0:amd64 1.4.4-2 
1.4.4-2+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:44 upgrade gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:amd64 1.4.4-2 
1.4.4-2+deb8u1
2017-04-02 09:19:46 upgrade gstreamer1.0-plugins-good:amd64 
1.4.4-2+deb8u2 1.4.4-2+deb8u3
2017-04-02 09:19:48 upgrade gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:amd64 1.4.4-2+b1 
1.4.4-2+deb8u1

2017-04-02 09:19:50 upgrade gstreamer1.0-x:amd64 1.4.4-2 1.4.4-2+deb8u1


One idea -- for each of the above files:

1.  Find the previous version.

2.  'apt-get install package=version' it.

3.  Test wallpaper.


David

system drive encryption question

[FHDATA]

hello,

I am not currently using debian as linux OS but
considering it ...


If I clean install debian (latest of course) and during
the install process have  its / (system drive)
encrypted with pass-phrase 

then later on, can I add a key, residing on
a usb flash drive,  to that encryption?

if yes, is there a step-by-step method one can follow  to do that?



thank you,
F-

Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 05 April 2017 21:26:16 Erwan David wrote:
> Le 04/05/17 à 21:59, Tom Dial a écrit :
> > On 04/05/2017 10:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>  I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work
>  sometime in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even
>  if the only thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a
>  "me-too!"
> >>>
> >>> I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember
> >>> what I had to do.
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> Lisi
> >
> > I know I am quite late to the party, but has
> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> >
> > been offered as a possible answer? I have used it as a guide for
> > unattended-upgrades setup on a sizable handful of systems, and with
> > uniform success. As I recall it, install defaults apply only security
> > upgrades, and of course require that /etc/apt/sources.list include the
> > version appropriate reference to security.debian.org -
> >
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> >
> > for example.
> >
> > Tom Dial
> > td...@acm.org
>
> If I recall correctly unattended-upgrades needs to be reconfigured
> (through dpkg-reconfigure) for applying upgrades.

That has also been said!

Lisi

Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 05 April 2017 20:59:02 Tom Dial wrote:
> On 04/05/2017 10:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> >>> I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work sometime
> >>> in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even if the
> >>> only thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"
> >>
> >> I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what
> >> I had to do.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Lisi
>
> I know I am quite late to the party, but has
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
>
> been offered as a possible answer?
yes, several times!!

> I have used it as a guide for 
> unattended-upgrades setup on a sizable handful of systems, and with
> uniform success. As I recall it, install defaults apply only security
> upgrades, and of course require that /etc/apt/sources.list include the
> version appropriate reference to security.debian.org -
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
>
> for example.

Yes.

Perhaps there is a recent temporary bug in it??  As I said, I had a short-term 
use for it and have moved on.  Though I might want to look again if I could 
do so quickly.

Lisi
>
> Tom Dial
> td...@acm.org

Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly)

[Martin Read]

On 05/04/17 16:02, Ric Moore wrote:

What blows my mind is why this happens so frequently and
pavucontrol is not a "depend" on pulseaudio. Your problem occurs
frequently without pavucontrol being automagically installed to use.
Glad to be of assistance! Ric


pulseaudio currently Suggests: pavucontrol.

One could reasonably argue that pulseaudio ought to Recommends: 
pavucontrol, since pavucontrol makes pulseaudio much more convenient to 
use for desktop users.


One cannot, however, argue within the bounds of Debian policy that 
pulseaudio should Depends: pavucontrol, because pulseaudio as built in 
Debian *can* be run without it.

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Martin Read]

On 05/04/17 18:25, Joshua Schaeffer wrote:

If you are looking for an exact answer of "Card /XYZ/ works in Debian
Stretch with package /ABC/" then I don't have an answer for you. Could
you provide a little more detail about your requirements, like what you
plan to use the card for. Do you do any video editing, gaming, movie
playback, multi-monitor support, etc? Also, what is your price range?
Are you sold on using AMD? Any physical size requirements of the card?


Requirements:

* Provides a decent frame rate and scroll/zoom smoothness for _Europa 
Universalis IV_ and _Stellaris_.

* Costs less than £100 absolute maximum.
* Has good software support in Debian stretch-with-nonfree

Don't care about the chipset vendor, and size is not particularly an 
issue. Going by other remarks in this thread and double-checking the 
advertised requirements of the games, it sounds like a GeForce GT 710 
might well be sufficient for my desires (and I can get one by internet 
mail order for under £50 inc. delivery e.g.
https://www.shop.bt.com/products/zotac-geforce-gt-710-2gb-ddr3-pcie-2-0-dvi-d-sub-hdmi-zt-71302-20l-CP8C.html?refs=5743 
)


Anything that *needs* more GPU than that probably also needs more CPU 
than I've got.

Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Erwan David]

Le 04/05/17 à 21:59, Tom Dial a écrit :
> 
> 
> On 04/05/2017 10:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
 I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work sometime
 in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even if the only
 thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"
>>>
>>> I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what I
>>> had to do.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Lisi
>>
> 
> I know I am quite late to the party, but has
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
> 
> been offered as a possible answer? I have used it as a guide for
> unattended-upgrades setup on a sizable handful of systems, and with
> uniform success. As I recall it, install defaults apply only security
> upgrades, and of course require that /etc/apt/sources.list include the
> version appropriate reference to security.debian.org -
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> for example.
> 
> Tom Dial
> td...@acm.org
> 

If I recall correctly unattended-upgrades needs to be reconfigured
(through dpkg-reconfigure) for applying upgrades.

Re: Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Tom Dial]

On 04/05/2017 10:22 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>>> I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work sometime
>>> in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even if the only
>>> thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"
>>
>> I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what I
>> had to do.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Lisi
> 

I know I am quite late to the party, but has

https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades

been offered as a possible answer? I have used it as a guide for
unattended-upgrades setup on a sizable handful of systems, and with
uniform success. As I recall it, install defaults apply only security
upgrades, and of course require that /etc/apt/sources.list include the
version appropriate reference to security.debian.org -

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

for example.

Tom Dial
td...@acm.org

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Nikunj Sharma]

Can you please remove siwzh...@tesla.com from mail list. He is no more with 
company and I am getting all his emails.





On 4/5/17, 11:03 AM, "deloptes"  wrote:

Martin Read wrote:

> I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
> graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
> fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:

happened to me also when upgading ubuntu 12 to ubuntu 16 and had to find out
ati had no support, which resulted in poor quality and rendered all
unusable. I had to downgrade to ubuntu 12. A stupid story. There could be
at least a warning somewhere when upgrading X & co.

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Catherine Gramze]

On Apr 05, 2017, at 01:25 PM, Joshua Schaeffer  wrote:


However, Almost any discrete, modern, mainline card (Geforce or ATI) will work. 
If you want to use proprietary drives then just check the manufacturers website 
if that particular card has a Linux driver for download. I haven't video card 
shopped in a bit, but last I checked Geforce typcially provides good drivers 
for their cards on Linux and FreeBSD. I believe ATI typically works closer with 
the opensource community and sends their changes to the appropriate groups, but 
also has drivers available for direct download.

Not true. There is a specific group of ATI cards that are relatively new but 
are not supported by the new amdgpu driver. I myself have posted in this 
mailing list not long ago about this issue in Jessie with my Radeon R9 270X, 
bought in November of 2014. 

My best advice is to look at these cards: 
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-amd-graphics
Note that my card is not included on this list, while other R9 cards are. For 
the OP's HD6530, it looks like it  depends on the exact series and microcode of 
the card, so his may well not be supported. 

cathy

Re: Likely a BUG - was [Re: Recording needed data from mate-search-tool - possible?]

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 Apr 2017 at 07:06:22 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/03/2017 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >[SNIP]
> >
> >The annoying facet of the problem is that
> >"Applications->Accessories->Search for files" retrieves exactly
> >the data I want and can sort it so that it visually groups data
> >'productively'{right word??}.
> >
> >But it can only be saved as an image. I need ASCII text.
> >[snip]
> 
> Suggested content for a bug report.
> 
> Problem Description: When right-clicking on selected item(s) and
> selecting "Save Results As..." valuable information is NOT recorded.
> 
> What is saved: ONLY the complete path to file or directory.
> What is LOST:  item's type, containing folder, date, size.
> Solution:  add option to save as CSV file
> Reasoning:
>   The existing GUI provides tools for selecting/sorting data.
>   There are multiple tools for manipulating and printing CSV data.

By all means submit a wishlist item ...

> [As a side note - all folders report "size" of 4.1 kB.
>  Likely should be reported as blank or "N/A"]

... but why censor information you just don't understand?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Laptop reboot and suspend

[solitone]

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 19:49:29 CEST Teemu Likonen wrote:
> If hibernation is like s2disk then yes, it works. I don't use it often,
> though.

Yes, it's suspend to disk. I would use it, but unfortunately in my system it 
doesn't work (screen does not turn on).

Ciao

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Michael Biebl]

Am 05.04.2017 um 20:05 schrieb Dan Ritter:
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:26:03PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 05.04.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Dan Ritter:
>>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 03:47:33PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 05:06:22AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Aside from being insulting, this is just plain untrue.  There are well 
> over
> 100,000 professional Linux sysadmins worldwide.  I'd estimate that at 
> least
> a third of them administer at least one - and probably  more than one -
> systems that work better with sysvinit than with systemd.

 That estimate sounds plucked out of the air to me.
>>>
>>> It certainly is.
>>>
>>> For example, I run on the order of a thousand servers that are
>>> running Wheezy because we haven't managed a smooth transition to
>>> Jessie yet, and systemd is a large part of that problem.
>>>
>>
>> what problems exactly do you have which are caused by systemd?
> 
> We have our own applications, built over the last 19 years, that
> are managed by sysvinit scripts which are handled by a configuration
> management system that we built and open-sourced before Chef or Puppet
> were born. Nobody wants to rewrite all of this. Initial testing of
> systemd compatibility were negative, and nothing looked so easy to fix
> that someone jumped up and said "I'll do that!"
> 

Any specifics? What problems did you run into with the sysv compat
support in systemd?


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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Dan Ritter]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:26:03PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 05.04.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Dan Ritter:
> > On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 03:47:33PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >> On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 05:06:22AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> >>> Aside from being insulting, this is just plain untrue.  There are well 
> >>> over
> >>> 100,000 professional Linux sysadmins worldwide.  I'd estimate that at 
> >>> least
> >>> a third of them administer at least one - and probably  more than one -
> >>> systems that work better with sysvinit than with systemd.
> >>
> >> That estimate sounds plucked out of the air to me.
> > 
> > It certainly is.
> > 
> > For example, I run on the order of a thousand servers that are
> > running Wheezy because we haven't managed a smooth transition to
> > Jessie yet, and systemd is a large part of that problem.
> > 
> 
> what problems exactly do you have which are caused by systemd?

We have our own applications, built over the last 19 years, that
are managed by sysvinit scripts which are handled by a configuration
management system that we built and open-sourced before Chef or Puppet
were born. Nobody wants to rewrite all of this. Initial testing of
systemd compatibility were negative, and nothing looked so easy to fix
that someone jumped up and said "I'll do that!"

Eventually we'll have to do the work, but the operations staff here has
a consensus that if we're going to do the work, we might as well go to
a system that we feel capable of understanding and trusting, something
more like daemontools. Nosh is being considered.

It's not Debian's problem, it's our problem. But we wouldn't have this
problem if Debian hadn't decided to change a fundamental part of the
infrastructure.

Now you know why I'm grumpy about systemd.

-dsr-

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[deloptes]

Martin Read wrote:

> I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
> graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
> fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:

happened to me also when upgading ubuntu 12 to ubuntu 16 and had to find out
ati had no support, which resulted in poor quality and rendered all
unusable. I had to downgrade to ubuntu 12. A stupid story. There could be
at least a warning somewhere when upgrading X & co.

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Teemu Likonen]

Martin Read [2017-04-05 13:51:46+01] wrote:

> I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm
> looking at the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics
> cards. Any recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing
> all-dancing thing with seventeen fans, just something that - with the
> drivers available for stretch - will get me at least as much
> performance and capability as my current chip achieves with its
> proprietary driver.

All-singing all-dancing (and powerful) Geforce GTX 1080 works well with
Strecth's nvidia-driver and related packages. I use it in Debian 8 with
backported drivers. I'd conclude that Debian's support for quite modern
Nvidia cards is good.

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Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Felix Miata]

Martin Read composed on 2017-04-05 13:51 (UTC+0100):


I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:



* The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be
available for stretch.
* The radeon free driver *still* isn't on par with fglrx on my hardware.
fglrx gave me OpenGL 4.4; radeon gives me 3.3 and visibly inferior
performance.
* The amdgpu free driver (which I'm guessing won't be in stretch except
via backports anyway) doesn't support my hardware.



I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm looking
at the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics cards.
Any recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing all-dancing thing
with seventeen fans, just something that - with the drivers available
for stretch - will get me at least as much performance and capability as
my current chip achieves with its proprietary driver.


Have you tried removing all gfxchip-specific drivers? That should result in your 
6530 using the integral modeset(0) driver, which has become the default for 
Intel gfxchips and works for most NVidia and AMD/ATI.

--
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Michael Biebl]

Am 05.04.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Dan Ritter:
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 03:47:33PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 05:06:22AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>> Aside from being insulting, this is just plain untrue.  There are well over
>>> 100,000 professional Linux sysadmins worldwide.  I'd estimate that at least
>>> a third of them administer at least one - and probably  more than one -
>>> systems that work better with sysvinit than with systemd.
>>
>> That estimate sounds plucked out of the air to me.
> 
> It certainly is.
> 
> For example, I run on the order of a thousand servers that are
> running Wheezy because we haven't managed a smooth transition to
> Jessie yet, and systemd is a large part of that problem.
> 

what problems exactly do you have which are caused by systemd?



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Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Joshua Schaeffer]

I've used the following cards over the years without any issues in my Linux
boxes. They are typically higher end (at least at the time the series was
relevant) because I buy them for my Windows gaming machine, then when I
upgrade the graphic card I put the now old card in my main Linux
workstation:

   - Geforce GTX 680
   - Radeon HD 6970
   - Radeon HD 4670

However, Almost any discrete, modern, mainline card (Geforce or ATI) will
work. If you want to use proprietary drives then just check the
manufacturers website if that particular card has a Linux driver for
download. I haven't video card shopped in a bit, but last I checked Geforce
typcially provides good drivers for their cards on Linux and FreeBSD. I
believe ATI typically works closer with the opensource community and sends
their changes to the appropriate groups, but also has drivers available for
direct download.

There are also a lot of sites that offer compatibility databases. One of
these might be useful to you:

   - https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware
   - http://www.linux-drivers.org/

If you are looking for an exact answer of "Card *XYZ* works in Debian
Stretch with package *ABC*" then I don't have an answer for you. Could you
provide a little more detail about your requirements, like what you plan to
use the card for. Do you do any video editing, gaming, movie playback,
multi-monitor support, etc? Also, what is your price range? Are you sold on
using AMD? Any physical size requirements of the card?

Personally, right now, I use Geforce, not because they are necessarily
better or worst then ATI, but mostly for their shadow play technology, and
I feel their Linux support is better. There was a time when ATI was better
at multi-monitor support, but I think Geforce is pretty adequate at the
moment for up to 4 monitors.

Anyway, without more information I would recommend one of the following:

   - Radeon R7 250
   - Radeon R7 350 or 360
   - GTX 950 or 960

In my limited searching I also saw the Radeon 7750 come up, but disclaimer,
I know nothing about this card, so can't really recommend it. Looked decent
though. Once you find a card then perhaps somebody can tell you if that
exact card has any issue with Debian Stretch.

Thanks,
Joshua Schaeffer

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Martin Read  wrote:

> I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
> graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
> fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:
>
> * The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be
> available for stretch.
> * The radeon free driver *still* isn't on par with fglrx on my hardware.
> fglrx gave me OpenGL 4.4; radeon gives me 3.3 and visibly inferior
> performance.
> * The amdgpu free driver (which I'm guessing won't be in stretch except
> via backports anyway) doesn't support my hardware.
>
> I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm looking at
> the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics cards. Any
> recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing all-dancing thing with
> seventeen fans, just something that - with the drivers available for
> stretch - will get me at least as much performance and capability as my
> current chip achieves with its proprietary driver.
>
>

Re: Laptop reboot and suspend

[Teemu Likonen]

solit...@mail.com [2017-04-05 12:35:42+02] wrote:

> On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 11:24:12 CEST Teemu Likonen wrote:
>> My laptop's (Apple Macbook Air) suspend-resume works
>> well with Debian 8 
>
> Does hibernation work as well? I have a MacBook Pro 12,1 with Debian 9
> and while suspend does work, I didn't manage to have hibernate working
> reliably.

If hibernation is like s2disk then yes, it works. I don't use it often,
though.

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Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 05 April 2017 15:46:53 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work sometime
> > in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even if the only
> > thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"
>
> I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what I
> had to do.

Thank you!

Lisi

Re: Likely a BUG - was [Re: Recording needed data from mate-search-tool - possible?]

[songbird]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/05/2017 08:28 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:06:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2017 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
 [SNIP]

 The annoying facet of the problem is that
 "Applications->Accessories->Search for files" retrieves exactly
 the data I want and can sort it so that it visually groups data
 'productively'{right word??}.

 But it can only be saved as an image. I need ASCII text.
 [snip]
>>>
>>> Suggested content for a bug report.
>>>
>>> Problem Description: When right-clicking on selected item(s) and selecting
>>> "Save Results As..." valuable information is NOT recorded.
>>>
>>> What is saved: ONLY the complete path to file or directory.
>>> What is LOST:  item's type, containing folder, date, size.
>>> Solution:  add option to save as CSV file
>>> Reasoning:
>>>   The existing GUI provides tools for selecting/sorting data.
>>>   There are multiple tools for manipulating and printing CSV data.
>>>
>>> [As a side note - all folders report "size" of 4.1 kB.
>>>  Likely should be reported as blank or "N/A"]
>>>
>>
>> Why not make the bug report yourself? No one else is likely to do it for
>> you.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
> Of course ;)
> The reason I posted was to get preliminary feedback, particularly from 
> songbird, on how reasonable my analysis was.

  i really think this is better done as a text
thing to begin with (as i've said before...)
using find, awk, sed, file, etc.

  gui stuff is just too limited IMO for what 
special cases you may wish to add (more flexibility
for getting deeper info, like that which file 
might provide).


> Also, based on a brief off 
> list discussion, I wanted to get his opinion on how well it matched the 
> direction he was trying to lead my thought process.

  Richard, my sympathies for this issue, but to be
realistic, filing a Debian bug for this is going to
result in little IMO.  the Debian MATE team needs
help (like most Debian packaging teams).

  what would likely get a response is a check of 
the MATE team upstream site and sign up there and
post your issue to them:

  http://mate-desktop.org/
especially note: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/roadmap

  better yet would be a source code patch...:
(against current repo is always best, but even against 
the mate you have installed may be a good start for 
someone else to adapt):

  apt-get build-dep mate-utils-common
  apt-get source mate-utils-common

  happy hacking,  ;)

  but really, text is so much easier...


  songbird

Re: where is usb.h?

[Mark Copper]

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Dominique Dumont  wrote:
> On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:00:28 CEST songbird wrote:
>> Can't locate object method "nNumInterfaces" via package
>>
>> > "Device::USB::DevConfig" at ./read_usb.pl line 26,  line 1.
>
> Looks like a typo in Device::USB::DevConfig synopsis: nNumInterfaces is 
> referenced only there.
>
> On the other hand bNumInterfaces is documented later in the man page and used 
> in the test files:
>
> $ ack bNumInterfaces
> t/15-usb_dev_configuration.t
> 32:qw/wTotalLength bNumInterfaces interfaces bConfigurationValue
> 48:is( $cfg->bNumInterfaces(), scalar @{$cfg->interfaces()}, 
> "$filename:$cfgno: interface count" );
>
> USB.pm
> 918:hashStoreInt( hash, "bNumInterfaces", cfg->bNumInterfaces );
> 924:list_interfaces( cfg->interface, cfg->bNumInterfaces )
>
> lib/Device/USB/DevConfig.pm
> 79:=item bNumInterfaces
> 123:_make_descr_accessor( 'bNumInterfaces' );
>
> lib/Device/USB.pm
> 918:hashStoreInt( hash, "bNumInterfaces", cfg->bNumInterfaces );
> 924:list_interfaces( cfg->interface, cfg->bNumInterfaces )
>
> Please log a bug upstream [1] for this issue
>
> All the best
>
> [1] https://rt.cpan.org/Dist/Display.html?Name=Device-USB

Yeah, it looks as if that module was never really more than proof of
concept and suggests a road map
   device --> hidapi --> scripting glue (e.g. Perl XS) --> HTTP server

Mark

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Michael Fothergill]

On 5 April 2017 at 12:27, Darac Marjal  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 01:29:07AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Tom Browder  wrote:
>>
>> But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good
>>> cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Indeed:
>> The main thing I personally have a problem with in systemd that I did not
>> have a problem with in sysvinit is that the documentation for how to do
>> things “the systemd way” is hard to find and opaque once you do find it.
>> In contrast, anyone who can read and write simple shell scripts has little
>> need for documentation to do things “the sysvinit way”, though
>> documentation is available if you want it.  Any working sysvinit system has
>> dozens of self-documenting examples right there in /etc/init.d/ .
>>
>
> Corollary: This is why systemd is needed. So many bad habits have been
> "copied" from other scripts. How many sysv scripts' reload functions
> consist of "$0 stop; sleep 5; $0 start"? What's that sleep for? A proper
> init script should not really be returning from "stop" unless the
> daemon has stopped. But many daemons are writted such that it's
> difficult to tell - meaning that if you do "$0 stop; $0 start", it's not
> reliable.
>
> Systemd deliberately restricts what can be done in order to encourage
> better-written init-scripts resulting in a more reliable, more
> performant system.
>

​So systemd was designed to make spamming the boot up process with an array
of Heath Robinson style non standard scripts difficult in practice.

Thus systemd is about spam reduction ie moving from
Spam, egg, Spam, Spam, bacon and Spam to Kimchi Fried Rice and low entropy
self assembling alphabet spam.

I feel suitably edified by this discussion.

Regards

MF

 ​


>
> At least, that's the theory.
>
>
>
>> Pointers to any tutorials as mentioned above by Tom, will be greatly
>> appreciated!!!
>>
>> Enjoy
>> Rick
>>
>
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>
>

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Dan Ritter]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 03:47:33PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 05:06:22AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > Aside from being insulting, this is just plain untrue.  There are well over
> > 100,000 professional Linux sysadmins worldwide.  I'd estimate that at least
> > a third of them administer at least one - and probably  more than one -
> > systems that work better with sysvinit than with systemd.
> 
> That estimate sounds plucked out of the air to me.

It certainly is.

For example, I run on the order of a thousand servers that are
running Wheezy because we haven't managed a smooth transition to
Jessie yet, and systemd is a large part of that problem.

We also have about a half-dozen desktops which have no
particular problems with systemd.

So our ratio is roughly 200:1. But I have no idea of other
people and places.

-dsr-

Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly)

[Ric Moore]

On 04/01/2017 05:41 AM, Sharon Kimble wrote:

Ric Moore  writes:


On 03/31/2017 02:56 PM, Sharon Kimble wrote:


How can I get sound continuously with mpd and mpv without the card being
seemingly dropped please?


Are you using pulseaudio and have you installed pavucontrol?? Run alsamixer, 
make sure your
soundcard is not muted and the sound level up to 80% or better. What are you 
using to provide
speakers? Switched on/plugged in?? Desktop or Laptop? Speakers external 
(powered or not powered) or
internal? Unless you have some speaker-out/audio-out issue, where it doesn't 
sense/switch correctly
when you have only one audio jack. you >should< have audio. If we can't get it 
fixed, get a USB
sound device. But, let's try to fix first. Ric


Thanks for replying Ric.

And thank you, thank you, thank you! I hadn't got 'pavucontrol'
installed, soon remedied, but I've now got sound back through it!

I'd always thought that I was using ALSA, but apparently not. But
'pavucontrol' is the missing link in my sound setup.

But to answer your general questions, *all* sound goes through my
headphones, and its a desktop machine, even though the machine is
actually sitting under my desk :). And the only speakers are my
headphones.


Great! The deal is that pulse sits on top of alsa. If alsa not workie, 
pulse is dead in the water. So, as a general rule, use alsamixer first 
to see if something is muted. If so, unmute it and set sound to about 80%.
THEN use pavucontrol to finish your sound setup. That was all you 
needed. What blows my mind is why this happens so frequently and 
pavucontrol is not a "depend" on pulseaudio. Your problem occurs 
frequently without pavucontrol being automagically installed to use. 
Glad to be of assistance! Ric



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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 05:06:22AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Aside from being insulting, this is just plain untrue.  There are well over
> 100,000 professional Linux sysadmins worldwide.  I'd estimate that at least
> a third of them administer at least one - and probably  more than one -
> systems that work better with sysvinit than with systemd.

That estimate sounds plucked out of the air to me.

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Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 10:26:18PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work sometime 
> in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even if the only 
> thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"

I have a working unattended-upgrades setup, I will try and remember what I
had to do.

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Re: Likely a BUG - was [Re: Recording needed data from mate-search-tool - possible?]

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 08:28 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:06:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/03/2017 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

[SNIP]

The annoying facet of the problem is that
"Applications->Accessories->Search for files" retrieves exactly
the data I want and can sort it so that it visually groups data
'productively'{right word??}.

But it can only be saved as an image. I need ASCII text.
[snip]


Suggested content for a bug report.

Problem Description: When right-clicking on selected item(s) and selecting
"Save Results As..." valuable information is NOT recorded.

What is saved: ONLY the complete path to file or directory.
What is LOST:  item's type, containing folder, date, size.
Solution:  add option to save as CSV file
Reasoning:
  The existing GUI provides tools for selecting/sorting data.
  There are multiple tools for manipulating and printing CSV data.

[As a side note - all folders report "size" of 4.1 kB.
 Likely should be reported as blank or "N/A"]



Why not make the bug report yourself? No one else is likely to do it for
you.

Mark



Of course ;)
The reason I posted was to get preliminary feedback, particularly from 
songbird, on how reasonable my analysis was. Also, based on a brief off 
list discussion, I wanted to get his opinion on how well it matched the 
direction he was trying to lead my thought process.

Re: Thanks Thomas!

[songbird]

Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>songbird wrote:
...
>>   ok, looks like the two versions are the same in
>> the first sector (netinst for i386 and amd64) so
>> the fix should work...
>
> The fix should apply to all Debian i386 and amd64 ISOs which were made
> with isohybrid functionality. The bug was introduced in may 2009. Steve
> McIntyre announced the new capability of Debian testing ISOs in january
> 2011. Debian 6 came out in february.
> I have a debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso which already is isohybrid.
>
> One possible drawback is that it does not preserve the Apple Partition
> Map of the EFI-capable Debian ISOs.
> I am not aware of any machine which would boot Debian ISOs with APM
> and would not if APM is missing. To my understanding it is necessary
> to anounce HFS+ boot images to certain old Macs. But Debian ISOs do
> not provide HFS+ images.

...

  i just realised this morning that for the new
machine i should not need to apply this fix to
get it to boot from a USB stick.  heh...


  songbird

Re: Likely a BUG - was [Re: Recording needed data from mate-search-tool - possible?]

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:06:22AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/03/2017 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >[SNIP]
> >
> >The annoying facet of the problem is that
> >"Applications->Accessories->Search for files" retrieves exactly
> >the data I want and can sort it so that it visually groups data
> >'productively'{right word??}.
> >
> >But it can only be saved as an image. I need ASCII text.
> >[snip]
> 
> Suggested content for a bug report.
> 
> Problem Description: When right-clicking on selected item(s) and selecting
> "Save Results As..." valuable information is NOT recorded.
> 
> What is saved: ONLY the complete path to file or directory.
> What is LOST:  item's type, containing folder, date, size.
> Solution:  add option to save as CSV file
> Reasoning:
>   The existing GUI provides tools for selecting/sorting data.
>   There are multiple tools for manipulating and printing CSV data.
> 
> [As a side note - all folders report "size" of 4.1 kB.
>  Likely should be reported as blank or "N/A"]
> 

Why not make the bug report yourself? No one else is likely to do it for 
you.

Mark

Re: unattended upgrades does not do anything

[Mark Fletcher]

I'm going to break my own self-imposed rule on top-posting to make sure 
you see my exhortation not to cc me as I am subscribed to the list

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 01:20:56AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2017 20:29:26 Gregor Zattler wrote:
> > Hi Mark, debian users,
> >
> > * Mark Fletcher  [2017-04-03; 21:08]:
> > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 06:04:16PM +0200, Gregor Zattler wrote:
> > > There's another thread recently (during March, I think) on this mailing
> > > list about the same subject. The gyst is you need to do a
> > > dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades after installation to create some
> > > config files needed to make the upgrades actually happen.
> >
> > Yupp, I read this then and I did the dpkg-reconfigure to no
> > avail.  On April 2nd at 11:19 local time I purged and reinstalled
> > unattended-upgrades.  According to the log file
> > unattended-upgrade run on April, 2nd at 11:20 local time but did
> > not find anything to upgrade.  But actually there was a security
> > announcement on March, 28th and when I do apt-get update; apt-get
> > upgrade manually apt proposes to upgrade the eject package.  And:
> > unattended upgrades did not run yesterday or today.
> >
> > This is all very strange.
> >
> > Ciao; Gregor
> 
> As the OP of the above mentioned earlier thread I should point out that I 
> have 
> not got unattended-upgrades working either.  But I only wanted it as a 
> temporary solution, so I have given up.
> 

I am going to have a go at getting unattended-upgrades to work sometime 
in the next few days, I will post back what my results, even if the only 
thing that results is sympathy for your situation and a "me-too!"

Mark

GPU advice for Debian stretch?

[Martin Read]

I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D 
graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works 
fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:


* The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be 
available for stretch.
* The radeon free driver *still* isn't on par with fglrx on my hardware. 
fglrx gave me OpenGL 4.4; radeon gives me 3.3 and visibly inferior 
performance.
* The amdgpu free driver (which I'm guessing won't be in stretch except 
via backports anyway) doesn't support my hardware.


I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm looking 
at the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics cards. 
Any recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing all-dancing thing 
with seventeen fans, just something that - with the drivers available 
for stretch - will get me at least as much performance and capability as 
my current chip achieves with its proprietary driver.

Likely a BUG - was [Re: Recording needed data from mate-search-tool - possible?]

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/03/2017 12:59 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

[SNIP]

The annoying facet of the problem is that
"Applications->Accessories->Search for files" retrieves exactly
the data I want and can sort it so that it visually groups data
'productively'{right word??}.

But it can only be saved as an image. I need ASCII text.
[snip]


Suggested content for a bug report.

Problem Description: When right-clicking on selected item(s) and 
selecting "Save Results As..." valuable information is NOT recorded.


What is saved: ONLY the complete path to file or directory.
What is LOST:  item's type, containing folder, date, size.
Solution:  add option to save as CSV file
Reasoning:
  The existing GUI provides tools for selecting/sorting data.
  There are multiple tools for manipulating and printing CSV data.

[As a side note - all folders report "size" of 4.1 kB.
 Likely should be reported as blank or "N/A"]

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 01:29:07AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:


On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Tom Browder  wrote:


But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good
cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process.


+1

Indeed:
The main thing I personally have a problem with in systemd that I did not have 
a problem with in sysvinit is that the documentation for how to do things “the 
systemd way” is hard to find and opaque once you do find it.  In contrast, 
anyone who can read and write simple shell scripts has little need for 
documentation to do things “the sysvinit way”, though documentation is 
available if you want it.  Any working sysvinit system has dozens of 
self-documenting examples right there in /etc/init.d/ .


Corollary: This is why systemd is needed. So many bad habits have been
"copied" from other scripts. How many sysv scripts' reload functions
consist of "$0 stop; sleep 5; $0 start"? What's that sleep for? A proper
init script should not really be returning from "stop" unless the
daemon has stopped. But many daemons are writted such that it's
difficult to tell - meaning that if you do "$0 stop; $0 start", it's not
reliable.

Systemd deliberately restricts what can be done in order to encourage
better-written init-scripts resulting in a more reliable, more
performant system.

At least, that's the theory.



Pointers to any tutorials as mentioned above by Tom, will be greatly 
appreciated!!!

Enjoy
Rick


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Re: Laptop reboot and suspend

[solitone]

On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 11:24:12 CEST Teemu Likonen wrote:
> My laptop's (Apple Macbook Air) suspend-resume works
> well with Debian 8 

Does hibernation work as well? I have a MacBook Pro 12,1 with Debian 9 and 
while suspend does work, I didn't manage to have hibernate working reliably.

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 07:47:19AM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> (Not that I am an Apple fan by any means, but Apple have for decades 
> been highly successful making zero effort at backwards compatibility.

Zero?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)

And before that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_68k_emulator


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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Rick Thomas]

On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Tom Browder  wrote:

> But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good
> cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process.

+1

Indeed: 
The main thing I personally have a problem with in systemd that I did not have 
a problem with in sysvinit is that the documentation for how to do things “the 
systemd way” is hard to find and opaque once you do find it.  In contrast, 
anyone who can read and write simple shell scripts has little need for 
documentation to do things “the sysvinit way”, though documentation is 
available if you want it.  Any working sysvinit system has dozens of 
self-documenting examples right there in /etc/init.d/ .

Pointers to any tutorials as mentioned above by Tom, will be greatly 
appreciated!!!

Enjoy
Rick

Laptop reboot and suspend

[Teemu Likonen]

Florian Lohoff [2017-04-05 07:55:29+02] wrote:

> I have a very different perception - It is so rare that i reboot my
> notebook which travels with me all day that everytime i do i have
> troubles remembering the 30+ character Luks passphrase. I
> suspend/resume multiple times a day and thats my current uptime:
>
>  07:49:26 up 22 days, 20:04,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.17

That also means that you have had your encrypted LUKS partitions open
for almost 23 days. My laptop's (Apple Macbook Air) suspend-resume works
well with Debian 8 but I shut it down when traveling through risky
places because I want to have my data encrypted (can't use gpg
separately for all valuable data).

I suggest posting follow-ups to debian-user list (Cc'd) and dropping
-devel.

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Re: Thin Client

[Curt]

On 2017-04-04, Brian  wrote:
>
> Commas before the conjunction "and"? Not here. Rewrite the sentence should
> there be any ambiguity.

Or or. Exempt from overtime pay in a dairy company in Portland, Me:

  The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing,
  storing, packing for shipment or distribution of:
  
  (three things)

"...packing for shipment or distribution of," or packing for shipment,
or distribution of...?

The ten million dollar question.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/oxford-comma-lawsuit.html?_r=0


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the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

Re: where is usb.h?

[Dominique Dumont]

On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:00:28 CEST songbird wrote:
> Can't locate object method "nNumInterfaces" via package
> 
> > "Device::USB::DevConfig" at ./read_usb.pl line 26,  line 1.

Looks like a typo in Device::USB::DevConfig synopsis: nNumInterfaces is 
referenced only there.

On the other hand bNumInterfaces is documented later in the man page and used 
in the test files:

$ ack bNumInterfaces
t/15-usb_dev_configuration.t
32:qw/wTotalLength bNumInterfaces interfaces bConfigurationValue
48:is( $cfg->bNumInterfaces(), scalar @{$cfg->interfaces()}, 
"$filename:$cfgno: interface count" );

USB.pm
918:hashStoreInt( hash, "bNumInterfaces", cfg->bNumInterfaces );
924:list_interfaces( cfg->interface, cfg->bNumInterfaces )

lib/Device/USB/DevConfig.pm
79:=item bNumInterfaces
123:_make_descr_accessor( 'bNumInterfaces' );

lib/Device/USB.pm
918:hashStoreInt( hash, "bNumInterfaces", cfg->bNumInterfaces );
924:list_interfaces( cfg->interface, cfg->bNumInterfaces )

Please log a bug upstream [1] for this issue

All the best

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Re: Thanks Thomas!

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > (It would be embarrassing if a different Thomas was meant.)

songbird wrote:
>   context is good...  i dislike posting last names to usenet/mailing lists.

Well, germany is full of baby-boomer Thomases. :))


> >   http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~ams/tmp/isohdpfx.bin.170324

> i hope the author released it as open source/bytes!  :)

The bug fix is not worth an own copyright.
So it is provided under the BSD-ish license of isohdpfx.S by H. Peter
Anvin and Intel Corporation:
  http://git.zytor.com/syslinux/syslinux.git/tree/mbr/isohdpfx.S


> i'm not sure what else i can do.

Nothing more for now. We have to wait for a decision of debian-cd
how to handle this not-so-exotic-any-more bug.


>   ok, looks like the two versions are the same in
> the first sector (netinst for i386 and amd64) so
> the fix should work...

The fix should apply to all Debian i386 and amd64 ISOs which were made
with isohybrid functionality. The bug was introduced in may 2009. Steve
McIntyre announced the new capability of Debian testing ISOs in january
2011. Debian 6 came out in february.
I have a debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso which already is isohybrid.

One possible drawback is that it does not preserve the Apple Partition
Map of the EFI-capable Debian ISOs.
I am not aware of any machine which would boot Debian ISOs with APM
and would not if APM is missing. To my understanding it is necessary
to anounce HFS+ boot images to certain old Macs. But Debian ISOs do
not provide HFS+ images.


> diff new amd
> < 000   3 355 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220
> < 020 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220
> ---
> > 000   E   R  \b  \0  \0  \0 220 220  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
> > 020  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0

Upper without APM signature, lower with APM signature.
Both groups of 32 bytes are supposed to do nothing harmful when executed
as x86 machine code (which PC-BIOS does).

The other differences are due to the new instructions of the fixed version.
They change positions of older instructions and cause changes in relative
memory addresses.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas