Display does not resume after hibernation

[Kamil Jońca]

I have strange thing with my laptop.
After hibernation display does not start.
In logs I can see:
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2017-09-29T06:30:16.830765+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.182895] atomic remove_fb 
failed with -22
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830780+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.182944] [ 
cut here ]
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830781+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.182965] WARNING: CPU: 0 
PID: 395 at 
/build/linux-VIJNLT/linux-4.12.13/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_framebuffer.c:912 
drm_framebuffer_remove+0x2d7/0x3e0 [drm]
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830783+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.182966] Modules linked 
in: arc4 nls_utf8 cifs ccm dns_resolver fscache tun btrfs xor raid6_pq ufs qnx4 
hfsplus hfs minix ntfs vfat msdos fat jfs xfs xt_nat rfcomm twofish_generic 
twofish_avx_x86_64 twofish_x86_64_3way twofish_x86_64 twofish_common 
serpent_avx_x86_64 serpent_sse2_x86_64 serpent_generic blowfish_generic 
blowfish_x86_64 blowfish_common cast5_avx_x86_64 cast5_generic cast_common ctr 
des_generic cbc algif_skcipher camellia_generic camellia_aesni_avx_x86_64 
ablk_helper camellia_x86_64 xts lrw gf128mul xcbc sha512_ssse3 sha512_generic 
md4 algif_hash af_alg xfrm_user xfrm4_tunnel tunnel4 ipcomp xfrm_ipcomp 
pci_stub esp4 vboxpci(O) ah4 vboxnetadp(O) af_key xfrm_algo vboxnetflt(O) 
vboxdrv(O) fuse bnep ip6table_filter ip6_tables nf_log_ipv4 nf_log_common 
xt_LOG xt_tcpudp xt_policy xt_addrtype
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830784+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183001]  xt_conntrack 
iptable_filter iptable_nat nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 nf_nat_ipv4 nf_nat 
nf_conntrack libcrc32c uvcvideo videobuf2_vmalloc videobuf2_memops 
videobuf2_v4l2 btusb btrtl binfmt_misc videobuf2_core videodev btbcm btintel 
bluetooth cdc_mbim cdc_ncm usbnet media ecdh_generic cdc_wdm cdc_acm mii wl(PO) 
intel_rapl x86_pkg_temp_thermal intel_powerclamp coretemp kvm_intel kvm 
irqbypass crct10dif_pclmul crc32_pclmul ghash_clmulni_intel hp_wmi cfg80211 
intel_cstate sparse_keymap intel_uncore snd_hda_codec_hdmi iTCO_wdt 
iTCO_vendor_support snd_hda_cod
ec_idt snd_hda_codec_generic intel_rapl_perf snd_hda_intel joydev evdev 
snd_hda_codec rfkill serio_raw i915 snd_hda_core snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_timer 
snd soundcore pcspkr wmi sg hp_accel shpchp drm_kms_helper drm mei_me video ac 
lpc_ich
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830785+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183034]  tpm_infineon 
lis3lv02d hp_wireless i2c_algo_bit mei mfd_core battery button input_polldev 
dummy loop firewire_sbp2 parport_pc ppdev lp parport ip_tables x_tables autofs4 
ext4 crc16 jbd2 crc32c_generic fscrypto ecb mbcache dm_mod sr_mod cdrom sd_mod 
crc32c_intel aesni_intel aes_x86_64 crypto_simd cryptd glue_helper psmouse ahci 
libahci libata scsi_mod sdhci_pci sdhci mmc_core firewire_ohci ehci_pci 
ehci_hcd firewire_core crc_itu_t xhci_pci xhci_hcd e1000e ptp usbcore pps_core 
usb_common thermal
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830786+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183067] CPU: 0 PID: 395 
Comm: kworker/0:4 Tainted: P   O4.12.0-2-amd64 #1 Debian 4.12.13-1
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830787+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183068] Hardware name: 
Hewlett-Packard HP ProBook 6570b/17AB, BIOS 68ICE Ver. F.45 10/07/2013
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830787+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183080] Workqueue: 
events drm_mode_rmfb_work_fn [drm]
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830788+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183081] task: 
8bc6bf6a2000 task.stack: b9a385b94000
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830789+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183091] RIP: 
0010:drm_framebuffer_remove+0x2d7/0x3e0 [drm]
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830790+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183092] RSP: 
0018:b9a385b97dc0 EFLAGS: 00010282
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830790+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183094] RAX: 
0020 RBX: 8bc96ab20330 RCX: 
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830791+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183094] RDX: 
 RSI: 8bc97fa0dee8 RDI: 8bc97fa0dee8
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830792+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183095] RBP: 
8bc95fa8fc00 R08: 0001 R09: 0e2f
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830793+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183096] R10: 
0007 R11: 0e2f R12: ffea
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830793+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183097] R13: 
8bc96ab20328 R14: 0008 R15: 8bc8404c7300
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830794+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183099] FS:  
() GS:8bc97fa0() knlGS:
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830795+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183100] CS:  0010 DS: 
 ES:  CR0: 80050033
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830796+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183100] CR2: 
7f219ac576a0 CR3: 00036c5a9000 CR4: 001406f0
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830796+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183101] Call Trace:
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830797+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183115]  ? 
drm_mode_rmfb_work_fn+0x4f/0x60 [drm]
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830798+02:00 bambus kernel: [83141.183118]  ? 
process_one_work+0x181/0x370
2017-09-29T06:30:16.830798+02:00 bambus

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Doug]

On 10/07/2017 10:59 PM, Weaver wrote:

On 2017-10-08 13:36, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 07 October 2017 22:09:43 Zenaan Harkness wrote:


On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
an indefinite number of processes in the background”.

But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart
characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way
to school etc etc.

2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...


You could easily have come and taken a few trainloads that winter, 1941
IIRC, and we would have been thankful. I did ride an old mare about
halfway, when it was blizzarding but had to walk the last mile because
that was where the only barn I could leave her in for the day when it
went below zero F.  One thing we always did on the farm in central Iowa
was take care of our work animals, and this barn was nice & tight. I
don't recall now that I ever noticed the manure was frozen. The little
boy got cold, but never frostbit, so we survived.  Out on vacation, I
took my present wife back down those roads about 20 years back, finding
grandpa's house, but all the land around it had been sold & all the farm
outbuildings burned, so it was just a 4 room clapboard being rented now.
Even found the schoolhouse I went to, but it was just a rubble walled
shell by then. Thatched roof long gone, but the big "Warm Morning"
heating stove was still there. I was amazed to see those 2+ foot thick
cemented rubble walls had stood the test of time.

I also took the missus over some of the covered "Bridges of Madison
County" that Eastwood and Streep made the movie about, and I've been
twice in the little cottage in Winterset where a movie actor named
Marion Morrison was born.  You might know him as John Wayne.

Its been a long, and interesting ride so far.

Had the odd winter like that. Somehow it would work out to every third
or fifth.
We'd know when it was coming, because all the farm animals would start
making their way in under their house: they knew when it was on the way.

All the rest were pretty easy, and we'd walk down to the road in bare
feet, stopping to step in fresh cow-pats for a while to warm feet up we
couldn't feel any more, then catch the bus to school, where we'd drive
ourselves mad with the chilblains once we got inside.

I thought _I_ was old...I'll be 80 in a few days...but you must be 
around 90! God go with you!


--doug

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Weaver]

On 2017-10-08 13:36, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 October 2017 22:09:43 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> > > Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
>> > > background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
>> > > an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
>> >
>> > But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart
>> > characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way
>> > to school etc etc.
>>
>> 2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...
>>
> You could easily have come and taken a few trainloads that winter, 1941 
> IIRC, and we would have been thankful. I did ride an old mare about 
> halfway, when it was blizzarding but had to walk the last mile because 
> that was where the only barn I could leave her in for the day when it 
> went below zero F.  One thing we always did on the farm in central Iowa 
> was take care of our work animals, and this barn was nice & tight. I 
> don't recall now that I ever noticed the manure was frozen. The little 
> boy got cold, but never frostbit, so we survived.  Out on vacation, I 
> took my present wife back down those roads about 20 years back, finding 
> grandpa's house, but all the land around it had been sold & all the farm 
> outbuildings burned, so it was just a 4 room clapboard being rented now.  
> Even found the schoolhouse I went to, but it was just a rubble walled 
> shell by then. Thatched roof long gone, but the big "Warm Morning" 
> heating stove was still there. I was amazed to see those 2+ foot thick 
> cemented rubble walls had stood the test of time.
> 
> I also took the missus over some of the covered "Bridges of Madison 
> County" that Eastwood and Streep made the movie about, and I've been 
> twice in the little cottage in Winterset where a movie actor named 
> Marion Morrison was born.  You might know him as John Wayne.
> 
> Its been a long, and interesting ride so far.

Had the odd winter like that. Somehow it would work out to every third
or fifth.
We'd know when it was coming, because all the farm animals would start
making their way in under their house: they knew when it was on the way.

All the rest were pretty easy, and we'd walk down to the road in bare
feet, stopping to step in fresh cow-pats for a while to warm feet up we
couldn't feel any more, then catch the bus to school, where we'd drive
ourselves mad with the chilblains once we got inside.

-- 
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its 
government."
 -- Thomas Paine

Registered Linux User: 554515

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 07 October 2017 22:09:43 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
> > > background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
> > > an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
> >
> > But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart
> > characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way
> > to school etc etc.
>
> 2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...
>
You could easily have come and taken a few trainloads that winter, 1941 
IIRC, and we would have been thankful. I did ride an old mare about 
halfway, when it was blizzarding but had to walk the last mile because 
that was where the only barn I could leave her in for the day when it 
went below zero F.  One thing we always did on the farm in central Iowa 
was take care of our work animals, and this barn was nice & tight. I 
don't recall now that I ever noticed the manure was frozen. The little 
boy got cold, but never frostbit, so we survived.  Out on vacation, I 
took my present wife back down those roads about 20 years back, finding 
grandpa's house, but all the land around it had been sold & all the farm 
outbuildings burned, so it was just a 4 room clapboard being rented now.  
Even found the schoolhouse I went to, but it was just a rubble walled 
shell by then. Thatched roof long gone, but the big "Warm Morning" 
heating stove was still there. I was amazed to see those 2+ foot thick 
cemented rubble walls had stood the test of time.

I also took the missus over some of the covered "Bridges of Madison 
County" that Eastwood and Streep made the movie about, and I've been 
twice in the little cottage in Winterset where a movie actor named 
Marion Morrison was born.  You might know him as John Wayne.

Its been a long, and interesting ride so far.

> > Generally speaking, I'm the real thing, turned 83 this
> > past Wednesday. There is one thing about advanced age, you get to
> > chuckle and grin when you realize you've out-lived the last of your
> > shoot on sight enemies. ;-)
>
> 'Tis a monoply I tell ya, a monocley :)
>
> Indeed, you're nearly twice me age - I best be thankful I kin tie me
> shoe laces I better... I's gettin rooly old :)


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable?

[Mostafa Shahverdy]

> It is not exactly clear what "while ago" means. For example if you were
> using unstable=stretch when stable=jessie and then switched to stable, when
> stable=stretch it sounds reasonable.
> If it is not the case, which is not very likely as you still get updates,
> the versions of the packages will be higher than the one available in the
> repository, so it is strange that you even get updates. I would not expect
> such to be offered.
> 
I believe unstable was `buster` and my current installed packages are
from `buster`. I know that most my packages are ahead, but what about
like 10 month from now that `buster` becomes stable? 
-- 
Regards,
Mostafa Shahverdy 


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Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable?

[Mostafa Shahverdy]

> Yes. I am assuming you made a new stable installation, you have not
> just changed the repository from unstable to stable. That will most
> definitely not work.
> 
> Are you asking why only a few packages are upgraded, compared to
> unstable?
> 
> Stable should not need many upgrades. In unstable, package versions are
> frequently upgraded, most of the software has bugs, and sometimes the
> entire architecture of a linked group of programs is changed.
> 
> In general, software versions in stable do not change, except for web
> browsers and anti-virus software. Security bugs are fixed, though not
> normally functional bugs. Debian stable is often used in servers, where
> a change of behaviour due to a bug being fixed may cause worse problems
> than the bug did. 
> 
> The whole purpose of stable is to be an unchanging platform, as far as
> is possible. That means that the software versions are largely frozen
> months before release, and will never change. If you need fairly
> up-to-date software all the time, then stable is not the correct
> distribution to use, either testing or unstable are more appropriate.
> 
I know that my packages are ahead at the moment, but what about the
future?  My question is can I get updates in the future? For example the time
that the `buster` becomes stable, can I securely update/upgrade? 
This is my personal PC.
-- 
Regards,
Mostafa Shahverdy 


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Re: x : keyboard not working

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:18:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
> > background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
> > an indefinite number of processes in the background”.
> 
> But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart 
> characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way to 
> school etc etc.

2 miles of snow? We were -lucky- to have snow ...


> Generally speaking, I'm the real thing, turned 83 this 
> past Wednesday. There is one thing about advanced age, you get to 
> chuckle and grin when you realize you've out-lived the last of your 
> shoot on sight enemies. ;-)

'Tis a monoply I tell ya, a monocley :)

Indeed, you're nearly twice me age - I best be thankful I kin tie me
shoe laces I better... I's gettin rooly old :)

Re: Debian packages for Sparc

[Sven Hartge]

Fred  wrote:

> I have a Sun Ultra 5 that needs to continue running Wheezy for a
> while.  I tried to apt-update but binary_sparc is no longer at
> http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release.  What do I
> need to change the sources list to?

Debian Wheezy LTS is only available for i386 and amd64. Official support
for Debian Wheezy for Sparc endet in April 2016. 

So you are out of luck with official packages, but since the sources are
all available you are perfectly able to recompile packages where updates
have been released yourself.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Debian packages for Sparc

[Fred]

Hello,

I have a Sun Ultra 5 that needs to continue running Wheezy for a while.  
I tried to apt-update but binary_sparc is no longer at 
http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release.  What do I need 
to change the sources list to?


Best regards,
Fred

Trying to understand keymaps in virtual console.

[aprekates]

Trying to examine why i cant insert acute accent diacritic over greek  vowels i 
come upon the console-common package. 
Trying to install it i get prompted:

-Select keymap from arch-list   
  // select one of the predefined keymaps specific for your architecture.
   // (recommended for non usb keyboards)
-Dont touch keymap
   // Dont overwrite the keymap in /etc/console
   // which is maintained manually with install keymap
-Keep kernel keymap
   // prevent from any keymap being loaded the next time system boots
-Select keymap from full list
   // list all predefined keymaps. Recommended when using
   // cross architecture (often USB) keyboards

So i wonder.. will that keymap mess with my X server or not?
How come that package was not installed ? Was my virtual console
working with another keymap and if so then do i need console data?

Re: HD device name assignments (was: Log files: location and description)

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2017-10-07 15:01 (UTC-0500):

> it might be worth pointing out that it has been reported here that
> a USB3 stick inserted at boot can demote the internal disk to
> /dev/sdb. 

It need not be v3 of USB, and it's one of the prime reasons alternatives to
booting by device name were developed in the first place. Assignments are
typically BIOS dependent at least to some extent. The push isn't always to sdb
either. I've seen sda moved to sdf, sdg and sdh at times with some kernels over
time. Ultimately, device names come down to kernel version and whether the ATA
bus(es) are enumerated and initialized prior to USB(s) or not.
-- 
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get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Log files: location and description

[David Wright]

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 09:36:37 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm looking for a comprehensive catalog of log files giving
> location, name, and one line description. I've Googled and found
> bits and pieces that are too narrowly focused. To paraphrase my
> situation, I'm not only not seeing the forest for the trees -- I'm
> also not seeing the forest for the leaves.
> 
> My current problem is finding the appropriate logs to document the
> details behind my addendum to Bug 852323.
> 
> The BIOS of the test machine can select whether to boot from the
> primary HDD or from a particular flash drive. There are multiple
> instances of Debian installed. Grub was installed to the MBR of that
> drive when Debian was installed to the drive's first partition.
> 
> I have a hypothesis, but I need to have facts to back it up.
> Specifically:
> 1. During the installation process I need to inventory when and
>"as what" various USB devices are recognized. The installation
>target is a USB drive and Grub is being installed to its MBR.

It's all in /var/log/installer, specifically syslog.
partman has the partitioning, and hardware-summary gives
both that and related software summaries. That's all after
the event, of course. While the d-i is running, syslog
is under /var/log as normal.

> 2. Under particular circumstances it will fail to boot. I need
>to compare that log to that written when it successfully boots.

With expert install, the splash/menu screen goes away and boot
messages come out on the console in my experience.

> 3. I need to know what happens during update-grub run from the HDD.
> 4. I need to repeat [2] but for the case that the the Grub menu is
>on the HDD.

update-grub runs grub-mkconfig which is a script, so I suppose
you could add set -x to make it print all its expanded commands
(as I do in .xsession).

Without getting into the specifics of that bug, ie UUID stuff,
it might be worth pointing out that it has been reported here that
a USB3 stick inserted at boot can demote the internal disk to
/dev/sdb. No idea if that's relevant here unless you're using
/dev/sdX without actually checking the by-id values that d-i
displays in the relevant places.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Loosing my mind with sending an E-Mail...

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Saturday, 7 October 2017 00:22:19 -03 Markus Grunwald wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> > I'm loosing my mind. Why is that email disappearing?
> 
> Well, lost my mind. Thunderbird treated it as spam (doh!)
So Thunderbird is actually expecting sentences in German language to make 
sense?
SCNR
-- 
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

Hay potentes, impotentes y prepotentes.

Re: 9.1.0 : netinst : installs well, but useless after firstboot

[Brian]

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 14:01:13 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 11:11:19 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 21:39:28 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 23:49:01 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 17:27:57 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> 
> > > > > There is a fairly good example how to do it here:
> > > > > https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/34
> > > > > 
> > > > > It is definitely a better setup than /e/n/i.
> > > > 
> > > > Does it handle wireless roaming? ifupdown + wpa_supplicant does.
> > > 
> > > What does one do when staying in, say, a new hotel?
> > 
> > Networks are managed by a file in /etc/wpa_supplicant. The file can be
> > edited by hand or a network added with wpagui,
> 
> So that's either being root or running X?
> 
> Whereas wicd has a TUI.

Running X. The user is in the netdev group.

-- 
Brian.

Re: 9.1.0 : netinst : installs well, but useless after firstboot

[David Wright]

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 11:11:19 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 21:39:28 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 23:49:01 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 17:27:57 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:

> > > > There is a fairly good example how to do it here:
> > > > https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/34
> > > > 
> > > > It is definitely a better setup than /e/n/i.
> > > 
> > > Does it handle wireless roaming? ifupdown + wpa_supplicant does.
> > 
> > What does one do when staying in, say, a new hotel?
> 
> Networks are managed by a file in /etc/wpa_supplicant. The file can be
> edited by hand or a network added with wpagui,

So that's either being root or running X?

Whereas wicd has a TUI.

Cheers,
David.

Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable?

[deloptes]

Mostafa Shahverdy wrote:

> Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my
> packages successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following
> only stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it
> successfully upgrades few packages.
> 
> Is this a safe way to stick with stable?
> 

It is not exactly clear what "while ago" means. For example if you were
using unstable=stretch when stable=jessie and then switched to stable, when
stable=stretch it sounds reasonable.
If it is not the case, which is not very likely as you still get updates,
the versions of the packages will be higher than the one available in the
repository, so it is strange that you even get updates. I would not expect
such to be offered.

We usually do for regular updating

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

not dist-upgrade

With stable doing so you can be 99.9% sure that it will work. At least
from my experience from the past 10+y. Note however that if you work on
production environment in case libc and friends get updated reboot or
restart of services is required to load newer libc ... 

You've got the response by Joe, where is explained what the purpose of
stable is.

regards

Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable?

[Joe]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 19:55:22 +0330
Mostafa Shahverdy  wrote:

> Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my
> packages successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am
> following only stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get
> dist-upgrade` it successfully upgrades few packages. 
> 
> Is this a safe way to stick with stable?
> 

Yes. I am assuming you made a new stable installation, you have not
just changed the repository from unstable to stable. That will most
definitely not work.

Are you asking why only a few packages are upgraded, compared to
unstable?

Stable should not need many upgrades. In unstable, package versions are
frequently upgraded, most of the software has bugs, and sometimes the
entire architecture of a linked group of programs is changed.

In general, software versions in stable do not change, except for web
browsers and anti-virus software. Security bugs are fixed, though not
normally functional bugs. Debian stable is often used in servers, where
a change of behaviour due to a bug being fixed may cause worse problems
than the bug did. 

The whole purpose of stable is to be an unchanging platform, as far as
is possible. That means that the software versions are largely frozen
months before release, and will never change. If you need fairly
up-to-date software all the time, then stable is not the correct
distribution to use, either testing or unstable are more appropriate.

-- 
Joe

Re: What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable?

[Mostafa Shahverdy]

Any kind of help is already appreciated :)

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 07:55:21PM +0330, Mostafa Shahverdy wrote:
> Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my packages
> successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following only
> stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it
> successfully upgrades few packages. 
> 
> Is this a safe way to stick with stable?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Mostafa Shahverdy 



-- 
Regards,
Mostafa Shahverdy 


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What happen if I start following stable after upgrading to unstable?

[Mostafa Shahverdy]

Few while ago I tried upgrading to unstable and I could update all my packages
successfully. Now I'm going to use stable version. I am following only
stable repository and each time I hit `apt-get dist-upgrade` it
successfully upgrades few packages. 

Is this a safe way to stick with stable?

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Mostafa Shahverdy 


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Re: Root Privilege Issue

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 09:12:25PM +0530, ARAVIND B KUMAR wrote:
> Yes But Not Changed

Sorry. I don't understand what you mean by that.

Again -- if you start a terminal as a normal user, what is the output
of the commands "id -G" and "id -Gn" (those print the groups that user
is member of: the first by number, the second by name)

Cheers
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Re: Root Privilege Issue

[ARAVIND B KUMAR]

Yes But Not Changed

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:09 PM,  wrote:

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> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 08:51:01PM +0530, ARAVIND B KUMAR wrote:
> > First Of All Thanks For The Replay And We Change The Normal User To
> > Administrator Using User Admin Tool Which I Attach The Screen Shot Of It
> > And Before I Change The User To Administrator While Mount The Hard drive
> It
> > Ask For Root Password But Now It Ask For User Password  And I Attach The
> > Screen Shot And We Didn't Use The Command To Change And We Didn't Mean
> > About Adding User To Group Sudoers
>
> I'm sorry I don't know very much about desktop environments, but if I
> interpret your description correctly, what this button ("Administrator")
> seems to be doing is adding the user to the sudoers group.
>
> That suspicion is reinforced by the fact that formerly you were asked
> the root password and now the user's password. BUT... desktop environments
> have sometimes their very own funny ways of doing things.
>
> Perhaps someone with more clues on desktop environments can chime in.
>
> Have you tried the "Advanced" settings?
>
> Again -- if you start a terminal as a normal user, what is the output
> of the commands "id -G" and "id -Gn" (those print the groups that user
> is member of: the first by number, the second by name)
>
> Cheers
> - -- tomás
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Re: Root Privilege Issue

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 08:51:01PM +0530, ARAVIND B KUMAR wrote:
> First Of All Thanks For The Replay And We Change The Normal User To
> Administrator Using User Admin Tool Which I Attach The Screen Shot Of It
> And Before I Change The User To Administrator While Mount The Hard drive It
> Ask For Root Password But Now It Ask For User Password  And I Attach The
> Screen Shot And We Didn't Use The Command To Change And We Didn't Mean
> About Adding User To Group Sudoers

I'm sorry I don't know very much about desktop environments, but if I
interpret your description correctly, what this button ("Administrator")
seems to be doing is adding the user to the sudoers group.

That suspicion is reinforced by the fact that formerly you were asked
the root password and now the user's password. BUT... desktop environments
have sometimes their very own funny ways of doing things.

Perhaps someone with more clues on desktop environments can chime in.

Have you tried the "Advanced" settings?

Again -- if you start a terminal as a normal user, what is the output
of the commands "id -G" and "id -Gn" (those print the groups that user
is member of: the first by number, the second by name)

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Log files: location and description

[Richard Owlett]

I'm looking for a comprehensive catalog of log files giving location, 
name, and one line description. I've Googled and found bits and pieces 
that are too narrowly focused. To paraphrase my situation, I'm not only 
not seeing the forest for the trees -- I'm also not seeing the forest 
for the leaves.


My current problem is finding the appropriate logs to document the 
details behind my addendum to Bug 852323.


The BIOS of the test machine can select whether to boot from the primary 
HDD or from a particular flash drive. There are multiple instances of 
Debian installed. Grub was installed to the MBR of that drive when 
Debian was installed to the drive's first partition.


I have a hypothesis, but I need to have facts to back it up.
Specifically:
1. During the installation process I need to inventory when and
   "as what" various USB devices are recognized. The installation
   target is a USB drive and Grub is being installed to its MBR.
2. Under particular circumstances it will fail to boot. I need
   to compare that log to that written when it successfully boots.
3. I need to know what happens during update-grub run from the HDD.
4. I need to repeat [2] but for the case that the the Grub menu is
   on the HDD.

TIA

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 07 October 2017 07:33:17 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 09:27:50AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.
> >
> > Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an
> > exercise for the reader ;-)
>
> Man, some years back, after years of marketing and business meetings,
> I was in a sub-sub-sub-sub-directory containing may be half a dozen
> PDF files, but there was a subdirectory which had a couple I wanted
> open too, so I mosies right along with my fabulous Unix commands and
> does something like this:
>
>  find ./ -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&
>
>
> but, unfortunately, as in, very very unfortunately, I was so fast at
> typing and didn't double check and I wrote the line like so:
>
>  find / -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&
>
>
> (Notice the (sadly, as in, very sadly) missing period before the
>  slash!)
>
>
> Welp, ye olde Pentium 90 with 128Megabytes (‼‼!! - no such thing as
> ISO standard Mibibytes in those days, it was all completely diffident
> you see), and dang! did that computer crawl, and slow down, and
> basically came to a halt after a while as X window after X window
> steadily, slowly, then really slowly, opened up, one after another
> (now listen all you whippasnapperas, no laughing matter ok, we didn't
> have kernel mode setting, process groups and CPU affinities - just
> getting enough affinity between the graphics card and the mother
> bored was challenge enough I tells ya!)
>
I've seen w95/w98 machines do that from an overload of viri. Tain't purty 
I tell yah.

> Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
> background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
> an indefinite number of processes in the background”.

But yer poking around in my stomping grounds with yur old fart 
characterizations. Uphill 2 miles in several feet of snow each way to 
school etc etc. Generally speaking, I'm the real thing, turned 83 this 
past Wednesday. There is one thing about advanced age, you get to 
chuckle and grin when you realize you've out-lived the last of your 
shoot on sight enemies. ;-)

> > Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind
> > of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> > disgress...
> >
> > Cheers
> > -- t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: 9.1.0 : netinst : installs well, but useless after firstboot

[Brian]

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 12:04:10 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 06:13:44 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> 
> > Any way what method you are using it depends on wpa_supplicant.
> > The config file can have multiple network definitions in it.
> > What differs is how you add a new stanza into that file and where the file
> > is located.
> 
> Thank you for the expansion.
> 
> I own up to not even glancing at the page given by the link; put it down
> to the lateness of the hour! Having taken a look at its content (and
> other pages elsewhere) the ideas seem worth pursuing for an hour or two
> today. But there will have to be a GUI way of editing the wpa_supplicant
> file, otherwise the troops here will rebel. wpagui is a user interface
> for wpa_supplicant so it should be possible to hook it in.

You know how it is. You start to go through something and gradually
realise you had done a review of the capabilities of ifupdown, connman
and systemd-networkd two or three years ago! The conclusion being to
keep ifupdown and guessnet on the laptop because they are generally
reliable and it is too much work to change.

Either of the other two would also be suitable but I'd go for connman
as a preference. Actually, systemd-networkd shares code with connman.
How systemd-networkd sees itself:

 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-November/014146.html

 > To clarify this: systemd-networkd is supposed to cover the initrd,
 > container, server and (some) embedded usecases. However, use NM or
 > connman for the interactive stuff (like wlans and suchlike) you need
 > on laptops/desktops and mobile.

ifupdown and wikd don't really get a look-in.

-- 
Brian.

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 09:27:50AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.
> 
> Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an exercise
> for the reader ;-)

Man, some years back, after years of marketing and business meetings,
I was in a sub-sub-sub-sub-directory containing may be half a dozen
PDF files, but there was a subdirectory which had a couple I wanted
open too, so I mosies right along with my fabulous Unix commands and
does something like this:

 find ./ -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&


but, unfortunately, as in, very very unfortunately, I was so fast at
typing and didn't double check and I wrote the line like so:

 find / -name '*pdf' | xargs -n 1 -I "{}" eval evince "{}" \&


(Notice the (sadly, as in, very sadly) missing period before the
 slash!)


Welp, ye olde Pentium 90 with 128Megabytes (‼‼!! - no such thing as
ISO standard Mibibytes in those days, it was all completely diffident
you see), and dang! did that computer crawl, and slow down, and
basically came to a halt after a while as X window after X window
steadily, slowly, then really slowly, opened up, one after another
(now listen all you whippasnapperas, no laughing matter ok, we didn't
have kernel mode setting, process groups and CPU affinities - just
getting enough affinity between the graphics card and the mother
bored was challenge enough I tells ya!)

Well I had to reboot that computer with cackling hyenas in the
background saying things like “well you should know not to launch
an indefinite number of processes in the background”.


> Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind of
> stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> disgress...
> 
> Cheers
> -- t
> 

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 01:11:18AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2017-10-06 20:25 (UTC-0500):
> 
> > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 18:57:31 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >> Brian composed on 2017-10-06 23:31 (UTC+0100):
> ...
> >> > 'setxbdmap -option "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"' in ~/.xsession is less
> >> > typing and more user-friendly. 
> 
> >> 1-That was an "as-is" copy from Fedora on a multiboot system, much easier 
> >> than
> >> typing in an ~/.xsession file that didn't exist. I have no idea whether the
> >> match or layout lines would be necessary in Debian.
> 
> >> 2-Keyword: "user-friendly". /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf is global
> >> configuration, vs. user-specific ~/.xsession.
> 
> > I don't understand why you want to do it this way. Debian unified
> > /etc/default/keyboard so that the values specified there are used
> > in both the VCs and X.
> 
> 1-I was responding to the sole thread focus on user-specific configuration,
> pointing out global configuration as an alternative.
> 
> 2-xorg.conf came first, thus, familiarity with configuration via
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf*. Most of the time I need to use it anyway for things
> other than keyboard in Xorg. No need to fix what ain't broke.
> 
> 3-man page for /etc/default/keyboard is a redirect to the keyboard man page,
> which like most man pages I find thin on examples.
> 
> 4-aversion to that directory name. To me, defaults are things shipped by the
> distro provider. /etc/sysconfig/keyboard would make more sense for something
> globally managed by the admin, along with keeping shipped defaults in /usr.
> 
> Alternatives in Gnu/Linux can be a double-edged sword. :-)

:) Indeed.

Great to hear you have a (relatively ?) stable setup, and, thanks for
sharing of course :)

Myself, I never heard of /etc/default/keyboard until about a month
ago, and only ever did the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d thing before that
(and it feels like just a year or so ago we were still doing X11.conf
or something similar... these young whippaschnappas, changing things
every month it seems... get used to the new change and BAM it's
changed agin' - when I wuz yur age, we just made do we did... we were
LUCKY to have a working keyboard ... sometimes had to solder serial
lines together just to make the Shift key work!)

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:37:16PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 23:54:36 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 09:24:01 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 11:11:52PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 08:30:09 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:37:44PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 21:19:28 +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > for that matter, even "ctrl+alt+backspace" doesn't work to 
> > > > > > > shutdown the
> > > > > > > x server. :(
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This disappeared from xorg many, many years ago. But it can be 
> > > > > > re-enabled
> > > > > > in Debian. An XKBOPTIONS options is what you look for if you really 
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I edit /etc/default/keyboard to read as follows (also, lv3 level 3
> > > > > (& 4) shift rocks!):
> > > > > 
> > > > > XKBMODEL="microsoft4000"
> > > > > XKBLAYOUT="libsh"
> > > > > XKBVARIANT="basic"
> > > > > XKBOPTIONS="lv3:lwin_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
> > > > > BACKSPACE="guess"
> > > > 
> > > > A neat, simple edit of a basic file. But, by itself, insufficient to
> > > > resurrect ctrl+alt+backspace.
> > > 
> > > Oh¡ Well that's good to know. I must have the required change (I'm
> > > guessing your xorg.conf.d suggestion) somewhere else in that case,
> 
> That's possible, but unlikely because you seem to be aware that
> /etc/default/keyboard is the best location to set these parameters.
> Let's hope the OP, a VC user, picks up on this.

Yes I too like to have console work as well as x/gui terms (which I
mostly live in TBH).

I've now done this over a dozen times in the last month, and
consistently, this works, to get the extra symbols I'm after - and
yes, the Ctrl-Alt-Bksp to terminate X, but, running this afterwards:

  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data keyboard-configuration

Perhaps this is the bit that some folks might have missed...

And finally, from a straight Linux console, I also run this:

  sudo setupcon

Voi la.


Now the funky bit is the line you see above in my
/etc/default/keyboard as follows:

  XKBLAYOUT="libsh"

which means “use custom keyboard layout file named as follows:
  /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/libsh
”

which file is a file I created by copying
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us

and modifying to taste - taste some juicy Unicode characters not
otherwise readily accessible, like love hearts ♥ for example :)

Happy frollicking,

Re: 9.1.0 : netinst : installs well, but useless after firstboot

[Brian]

On Sat 07 Oct 2017 at 06:13:44 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 17:27:57 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:08:42PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 11:59:17 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > 
> > > Sorry to interrupt here.
> > > In case of no NM and the /e/n/i issues might I suggest systemd-networkd?
> > > It is really reliable in bringing up any connection.
> > 
> > You certainly can suggest it. I am sure it would fit the bill; as would
> > connman. (The Debian approach of leaving a user with no connectivity
> > after an installation which requires it must be a first in Linux, so
> > anything which restores connectivity cannot be bad).
> > 
> > > There is a fairly good example how to do it here:
> > > https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/34
> > > 
> > > It is definitely a better setup than /e/n/i.
> > 
> > Does it handle wireless roaming? ifupdown + wpa_supplicant does.
> 
> Any way what method you are using it depends on wpa_supplicant.
> The config file can have multiple network definitions in it.
> What differs is how you add a new stanza into that file and where the file
> is located.

Thank you for the expansion.

I own up to not even glancing at the page given by the link; put it down
to the lateness of the hour! Having taken a look at its content (and
other pages elsewhere) the ideas seem worth pursuing for an hour or two
today. But there will have to be a GUI way of editing the wpa_supplicant
file, otherwise the troops here will rebel. wpagui is a user interface
for wpa_supplicant so it should be possible to hook it in.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Root Privilege Issue

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:29:19AM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 11:21:39 +0530
> ARAVIND B KUMAR  wrote:
> 
> > Hello Sir
> > 
> > We Are Using Debian 9 With Gnome And We Have 2 Account One Is Root And
> > Other One Is User Account Recently We Change The User Account To
> > Administrator And After That We Cant Change The Administrator To Root
> > And While We Mount The Drive Its Ask For User Account Password Not
> > Root Password And We Change The User Privilege But Still It Ask For
> > User Password And UID/GID 1000 And We Also Remove The User Line In
> > Sudoers But Still It Ask User Password Only And Please Help Us.
> > 
> > We Are Looking Forward From You.
> > 
> 
> Can you say what it is you want to achieve?
> 
> Debian will assign the UID and GID 1000 to the first normal user
> account created. This user account will never have root privileges
> except through su or sudo, or one of the variants of them. There is
> only one root account, with UID/GID 0.
> 
> No user account can be turned into root, this is not Windows. If you
> want a particular user to have root privileges, you either give him the
> root password and let him use su, or assign some or all privileges
> using sudo and he can use his own password for these occasions. The
> latter is recommended, as any log entries will show his user name. If
> more than one person is using root through su, it is often impossible
> to say which user did what.
> 
> Does any of this cover what you want to do? If not, please explain
> further.

Perhaps, just perhaps Mr. Kumar is describing the difference
between the "normal" user (id 1000) being in the sudo group
or not. ("change user account to administrator" may just mean
"adding the user to group sudo").

Hello, Mr. Kumar: could you describe *how* you changed the user
account to administrator?

Could you issue the following two commands in a shell (as the
"normal" user) and show us the results?

  id -G
  id -Gn

Cheers & thanks
- -- tomás
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Re: 9.1.0 : netinst : installs well, but useless after firstboot

[Henning Follmann]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 17:27:57 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:08:42PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 11:59:17 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > 
> > Sorry to interrupt here.
> > In case of no NM and the /e/n/i issues might I suggest systemd-networkd?
> > It is really reliable in bringing up any connection.
> 
> You certainly can suggest it. I am sure it would fit the bill; as would
> connman. (The Debian approach of leaving a user with no connectivity
> after an installation which requires it must be a first in Linux, so
> anything which restores connectivity cannot be bad).
> 
> > There is a fairly good example how to do it here:
> > https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/34
> > 
> > It is definitely a better setup than /e/n/i.
> 
> Does it handle wireless roaming? ifupdown + wpa_supplicant does.

Any way what method you are using it depends on wpa_supplicant.
The config file can have multiple network definitions in it.
What differs is how you add a new stanza into that file and where the file
is located.

-H


-- 
Henning Follmann 

Re: 9.1.0 : netinst : installs well, but useless after firstboot

[Brian]

On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 21:39:28 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 23:49:01 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 17:27:57 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:08:42PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Fri 06 Oct 2017 at 11:59:17 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > 
> > > Sorry to interrupt here.
> > > In case of no NM and the /e/n/i issues might I suggest systemd-networkd?
> > > It is really reliable in bringing up any connection.
> > 
> > You certainly can suggest it. I am sure it would fit the bill; as would
> > connman. (The Debian approach of leaving a user with no connectivity
> > after an installation which requires it must be a first in Linux, so
> > anything which restores connectivity cannot be bad).
> 
> Another question to be posed by the debian-installer?

My recollection is of a short disscussion along those lines. But nothing
came of it.

Establishing connectivity on a machine with no other OS available can be
done with ifupdown and the stanza deleted by the installation restored.
Someone has a sense of humour.

> > > There is a fairly good example how to do it here:
> > > https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/34
> > > 
> > > It is definitely a better setup than /e/n/i.
> > 
> > Does it handle wireless roaming? ifupdown + wpa_supplicant does.
> 
> What does one do when staying in, say, a new hotel?

Networks are managed by a file in /etc/wpa_supplicant. The file can be
edited by hand or a network added with wpagui,

-- 
Brian.

Re: hkps settings

[mlnl]

Hi,

>> could you explain & tell me if i should need configure gpg.conf and
>> if it should be an error to set 2 keyserver hkps like i did.
>> doublon ?


keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
hkp-cacert /usr/share/gnupg/sks-keyservers.netCA.pem


nothing

(you can add keyserver related options, e. g.:
keyserver-options list of options
sig-keyserver-url hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
default-keyserver-url hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
)

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 07 October 2017 05:18:24 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 05:05:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 07 October 2017 03:27:50 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago,
> > > ain't it?
> >
> > Iiyyuupp. But only sorta. I ditched Amigados3.9. I've only ever
> > owned one windows machine.
>
> Well, Amiga... that was something quite a bit different.
>
> You say xp? "My" last Windows was 3.1 (programming in C, as a job).
> Since then just watching Microsoft's shenanigans from the side lines.
>
> [...]
>
> > Actually, my fav reader for such tomfoolery is less.  More can't
> > scroll backwards.  Ya gotta love the *nix sense of humor. Less has
> > everything More doesn't. :)
>
> Then try this:
>
>less -p 'keyboard-configuration'
> /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian
>
> (hey, I just solved a quarter of the reader's exercise ;-)
>
> > > Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that
> > > kind of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each
> > > hit. But I disgress...
> >
> > Thats not an editor, its an os competing with linux!
>
> It's more. It's the dream of the Lisp Machine. But I disgress.
>
We had lisp on the amiga, bur I never really got on a first name basis 
with it. My biggest dissapointment was losing ARexx when the amigas last 
hd died. I'll never forgive those two clowns that destroyed the amiga.  
They conned William Hawes into doing ARexx, and never paid him a dime.
Now that was an os looking like a language and I was blown away when I 
found that Rexx/Regina wasn't even a castrated version of ARexx.  The 
amiga didn't have a cron, so Jim and I wrote one, in ARexx.  It didn't 
have a heyu, so we wrote one, in ARexx, called it EZHome since we'ed 
called the cron EZCron.  We were I think, the first tv station to put 
the news on our web page, and we, Jim Hines and I wrote the web server 
in ARexx with some help from the still in diapers back then php.

But like you, I digress.

> Cheers
> -- tomás


Cheers tomás, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

xlsclients doesn't list all clients

[Robert Latest]

Hello,

how is it possible that xlsclients doesn't "see" all X clients? Here's
my output from xlsclients:

me@dotcom:~$ xlsclients -a
dotcom  xfce4-terminal
dotcom  xfce4-notifyd
dotcom  firefox-esr
dotcom  /usr/lib/firefox-esr/plugin-container
dotcom  claws-mail
me@dotcom:~$

What's missing here is the instance of Digikam on the same desktop.
Here's the output feom xwininfo on that window:

me@dotcom:~$ xwininfo

xwininfo: Please select the window about which you
  would like information by clicking the
  mouse in that window.

xwininfo: Window id: 0xad "digiKam"

  Absolute upper-left X:  552
  Absolute upper-left Y:  220
  Relative upper-left X:  552
  Relative upper-left Y:  220
  Width: 1012
  Height: 533
  Depth: 24
  Visual: 0x74
  Visual Class: TrueColor
  Border width: 1
  Class: InputOutput
  Colormap: 0xac (not installed)
  Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
  Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
  Backing Store State: NotUseful
  Save Under State: no
  Map State: IsViewable
  Override Redirect State: no
  Corners:  +552+220  --286+220  --286-269  +552-269
  -geometry 1012x533+552+220

me@dotcom:~$

I'm running dwm. Same behavior on versions 5.7 and 6.1. But that
shouldn't matter anyway, a window's a window, right?

robert

Re: Root Privilege Issue

[Joe]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 11:21:39 +0530
ARAVIND B KUMAR  wrote:

> Hello Sir
> 
> We Are Using Debian 9 With Gnome And We Have 2 Account One Is Root And
> Other One Is User Account Recently We Change The User Account To
> Administrator And After That We Cant Change The Administrator To Root
> And While We Mount The Drive Its Ask For User Account Password Not
> Root Password And We Change The User Privilege But Still It Ask For
> User Password And UID/GID 1000 And We Also Remove The User Line In
> Sudoers But Still It Ask User Password Only And Please Help Us.
> 
> We Are Looking Forward From You.
> 

Can you say what it is you want to achieve?

Debian will assign the UID and GID 1000 to the first normal user
account created. This user account will never have root privileges
except through su or sudo, or one of the variants of them. There is
only one root account, with UID/GID 0.

No user account can be turned into root, this is not Windows. If you
want a particular user to have root privileges, you either give him the
root password and let him use su, or assign some or all privileges
using sudo and he can use his own password for these occasions. The
latter is recommended, as any log entries will show his user name. If
more than one person is using root through su, it is often impossible
to say which user did what.

Does any of this cover what you want to do? If not, please explain
further.

-- 
Joe

Re: x : keyboard not working

[Floris]

the 'gui' works on executing 'startx' at the command prompt.
and the system "looks" beautiful (in a minimalistic way).
but, the keyboard isn't working under x, no input accepted.
mouse pointer works just fine.

any help and/or pointers in the right direction would be most
welcome.

thanks,

~mayuresh



Debian as two xserver-xorg-input packages. The "old"  
xserver-xorg-input-evdev and the "new" xserver-xorg-input-libinput. You  
can try to remove one package and install the other.


Floris

Re: x : keyboard not working

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 05:05:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 07 October 2017 03:27:50 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago, ain't
> > it?
> 
> Iiyyuupp. But only sorta. I ditched Amigados3.9. I've only ever owned one 
> windows machine.

Well, Amiga... that was something quite a bit different.

You say xp? "My" last Windows was 3.1 (programming in C, as a job).
Since then just watching Microsoft's shenanigans from the side lines.

[...]

> Actually, my fav reader for such tomfoolery is less.  More can't scroll 
> backwards.  Ya gotta love the *nix sense of humor. Less has everything 
> More doesn't. :)

Then try this:

   less -p 'keyboard-configuration' 
/usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian

(hey, I just solved a quarter of the reader's exercise ;-)

> > Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind
> > of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> > disgress...
> 
> Thats not an editor, its an os competing with linux!

It's more. It's the dream of the Lisp Machine. But I disgress.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: x : keyboard not working

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 07 October 2017 03:27:50 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 12:14:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Thanks for asking.  To find the clue, install locate, updatedb, then
> > look for README.Debian, and out of the 40 or 50 that spits out, read
> > the one with keyboard-config in its locate output line.
>
> Or let the computer do the legwork:
>
>   tomas@rasputin:~$ locate README.Debian | xargs zgrep -il keyboard
>   /home/tomas/bluez-src/bluez-5.23/debian/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/aplus-fsf-el/README.Debian.gz
>   /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian.gz
>   /usr/share/doc/kbd/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/libbluetooth3/README.Debian.gz
>   /usr/share/doc/xkb-data/README.Debian
>   /usr/share/doc/xterm/README.Debian
>
That does strip it down, but one could have just used a second piped grep 
to find the one for keyboard -configuration.
pi@picnc:~/kernel-rt-preempt/linux-rpi-4.9.y $ locate README.Debian|grep 
keyboard- -
/usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian

> After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago, ain't
> it?

Iiyyuupp. But only sorta. I ditched Amigados3.9. I've only ever owned one 
windows machine. I needed a lappy for when I was half-way across the 
country playing visiting fireman at the KREX complex in Grand Junction 
CO, or at WDHS in Iron Mountain MI.  Circuit City would not sell it to 
me with a clean hard drive so I was stuck with an OEM xp install. 
Buggier than a 10 day old road kill in August too. And by the time I 
loaded it to go to the airport, it had a ManDrake install on it. And the 
xp partition got nuked 2 weeks later when I found the windows drivers 
for its radio couldn't make it work either.  That thing has a pcmcia 
card with a bcm4318 on it in it, back when bcm was suffering from the 
winders only virus.  I called bcm, and they hung up when they heard the 
word linux, we don't support it, click. That blacklisted bcm in my book 
for over a decade. The only way to fix jerks like that is to cost them 
sales until such time as the sales dept gets the message.
>
> Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.
>
> Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an
> exercise for the reader ;-)
>
Actually, my fav reader for such tomfoolery is less.  More can't scroll 
backwards.  Ya gotta love the *nix sense of humor. Less has everything 
More doesn't. :)

> Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind
> of stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
> disgress...

Thats not an editor, its an os competing with linux!

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

hkps settings

[malakit]

(GnuPG) 2.1.18 stretch/stable gnome

my config are these one :

dirmngr.conf
keyserver hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443
keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443
hkp-cacert /home/***user***/.gnupg/sks-keyservers.netCA.pem

gpg.conf
keyserver hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443
keyserver hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443

seahorse
hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net


could you explain & tell me if i should need configure gpg.conf and if it
should be an error to set 2 keyserver hkps like i did.
doublon ?



(i did not yet tried gnupg-us...@gnupg.org).

Re: Root Privilege Issue

[Tapio Lehtonen]

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 11:21:39AM +0530, ARAVIND B KUMAR wrote:
> Hello Sir
> 
> We Are Using Debian 9 With Gnome And We Have 2 Account One Is Root And
> Other One Is User Account Recently We Change The User Account To
> Administrator And After That We Cant Change The Administrator To Root And
> While We Mount The Drive Its Ask For User Account Password Not Root
> Password And We Change The User Privilege But Still It Ask For User
> Password And UID/GID 1000 And We Also Remove The User Line In Sudoers But
> Still It Ask User Password Only And Please Help Us.
> 
> We Are Looking Forward From You.
> 
> Thanks You
> 
> Best Regards
> Aravind Kumar

I do not understand the problem. Can You Maybe write the commands You
are issuing and what error messages You get? Or maybe use a
debian-user mailing list in Your own language, there are several lists
available:
https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html
Look for debian-user- and language name. 

-- 
Tapio Lehtonen
tapio.lehto...@iki.fi
http://www.iki.fi/tapio.lehtonen


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Re: x : keyboard not working

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 12:14:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> Thanks for asking.  To find the clue, install locate, updatedb, then look 
> for README.Debian, and out of the 40 or 50 that spits out, read the one 
> with keyboard-config in its locate output line.

Or let the computer do the legwork:

  tomas@rasputin:~$ locate README.Debian | xargs zgrep -il keyboard
  /home/tomas/bluez-src/bluez-5.23/debian/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/aplus-fsf-el/README.Debian.gz
  /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian.gz
  /usr/share/doc/kbd/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/libbluetooth3/README.Debian.gz
  /usr/share/doc/xkb-data/README.Debian
  /usr/share/doc/xterm/README.Debian

After all, that's why we all ditched windows twenty years ago, ain't it?

Gene: I agree: locate is really cool.

Popping up your favorite editor window for each hit is left as an exercise
for the reader ;-)

Of course, if your editor is called Emacs, you can pull of that kind of
stunt from within Emacs, with clickable links for each hit. But I
disgress...

Cheers
- -- t
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