Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Charlie S]

On Thu, 31 May 2018 10:42:17 +1200 Richard Hector sent:

> On 30/05/18 11:12, Charlie S wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 + (UTC) Curt sent:
> >   
> >> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S  wrote:  
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed
> >>> on this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
> >>> installed that way.
> >>
> >>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> >>
> >> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
> >> file manager on my machine.
> >>
> >> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
> >> pcmanfm.desktop
> >>
> >> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
> >> answer I'm giving.  
> > 
> > 
> > After contemplation, my reply is:
> > 
> > Thanks Curt,
> > 
> > Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my
> > file manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.
> > 
> > It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small
> > how did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
> > directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
> > would do it? Maybe?  
> 
> You can click anywhere on the Name header to switch the order, so you
> don't have to be able to see the indicator. I often click on those
> things by mistake.
> 
> Richard

Thank you Richard. As you described, I must have changed it in the
first place. I did wonder. I must have done what you did and clicked
into that space, not noticed and then discovered it later.

You never stop learning. Till they screw down the lid on the coffin, and
even that is a lesson I suppose.

Thank you,
Charlie

After contemplation, my reply is:

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Re: exim4 and TLS Once Again

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 06:22:49PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

AIUI 587 is the standard email submission port and 465 is now
deprecated but often still in use. I think they differ in the
details of how they handle encrypting the session.


From a protocol standpoint 587/tcp is identical to 25/tcp, with the 
distinction that it is designated for a end-users to submit messages for 
delivery rather than accepting mail for delivery from external mail 
relays. The expectation is that there is authentication of the 
submission, either via allowed IPs, SMTP AUTH, or some other mechanism.  
Networks can block port 25 to reduce spam originating from the network, 
but allow 587 for visitors to submit email to their provider for 
delivery. Encryption is activated with STARTTLS.


465/tcp was at one time assigned to SMTP over TLS; that is, it is an 
alway-encrypted channel like 443/tcp rather than a clear text channel 
with encryption upgrade via STARTTLS. 465/tcp has been reassigned to 
another protocol (a stupid decision, but that's water under the bridge) 
and really shouldn't be used anymore. It would be a very old or odd 
installation that supported only 465/tcp and not 587/tcp.


Mike Stone

Re: package won't configure, stuck in queue

[Charles Zeitler]

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 05:39:58PM -0500, Charles Zeitler wrote:
>> sudo dpkg --dry-run -r initramfs-tools
>> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of initramfs-tools:
>>  linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 depends on initramfs-tools (>=
>> 0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool; however:
>
> To be honest I'd probably be comfortable letting it remove it by
> ignoring dependencies. As long as it's installable again right
> after, nothing is going to break.
>
> # dpkg --force-depends -r initramfs-tools
> # apt install initramfs-tools
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
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worked! thank you
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Re: Paquet Sane

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -

> De: "MENGUAL Jean-Philippe" 
> À: "Debian debian-user-french" 
> Envoyé: Jeudi 31 Mai 2018 00:28:47
> Objet: Paquet Sane

> Bonjour à tous,

> Historiquement je mets mon firmware dans /usr/share/sane. Mais ce
> dossier semble avoir disparu sous buster. Quelqu'un sait ce qu'il
> s'est passé? Et surtout, où est-on censé mettre les firmwares
> maintenant, quelle est la bonne pratique?

> Merci de votre aide

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bonjour, 

l'emplacement des firmwares a changer : /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane/ 

merci 

slt 
bernard 

Re: Get the external IP address from a Linux box

[Joel Rees]

(Erk. Sorry, Joe.)

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Joe  wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 08:13:54 +0100
> André Rodier  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2018-05-24 at 09:07 +0200, Alberto Luaces wrote:
>> > Joe writes:
>> >
>> > > On the assumption that you are using a router of some kind, your
>> > > public
>> > > IP address will be that of the router WAN port (cable, ADSL, etc.)
>> > > and
>> > > there will be a method of determining that by connecting to the
>> > > router
>> > > as an administrator. That method will depend entirely on the
>> > > router.
>> >
>> > If the router supports upnp and it is activated, you can check the
>> > external IP in an device-independent way with
>> >
>> > upnpc -l | grep ExternalIPAddress
>> >
>>
>> Thank you, finally an answer that make sense and is not pedantic.

Two people have already tried to point out that UPNP is vulnerable by design.

If you have any interest in your local security, your router to the
outside should simply not respond to UPNP at all.

Block/ignore UPNP at every interface, internal and external, on your
external router, at bare minimum.

This is not pedantry, this is trying to save you from being attacked
from your inside.

> How is it possible to avoid being pedantic? You told us nothing about
> your Internet connection, or Debian version, so we had to guess at what
> information you actually wanted and which device to ask.
>
>> I tried this, but it is not 100% reliable. For instance, with the
>> firewall / router I use, upnp id not activated. I suppose I will have
>> to write a custom python script.
>
> So presumably it isn't your computer's external address that you want,
> but that of your router. I was a bit surprised to see upnp mentioned, I
> thought it was only game-players who were willing to run that, and
> Debian would not be their OS of choice.
>
> From (not recent) experience of talking to routers, you may have telnet
> or ssh available, otherwise it's an http admin login, followed by one or
> two router-specific commands. You might be lucky, and the default
> router status page without login may contain the WAN address.
>
> A couple of lines of bash should do it: use curl, and you'll probably
> have to provide the admin password, so the script should probably be
> stored in /root. My routers in years gone by used to need an occasional
> reboot, so I had a script running every ten minutes to check multiple
> websites for connectivity, and if none were found, to issue a reboot
> command.

What Joe says here.

I had ten or twenty lines of moderately careful code in a two
hundred-line perl script I used to update my dyndns.com domain name
back before dyn.com decided they had to kick all the freeloaders like
me off.

Resolution to *some* domain name really ought to be part of an ISP's
basic package, but the Internet got taken over by the poachers.


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Re: exim4 and TLS Once Again

[David Wright]

On Tue 29 May 2018 at 12:25:03 (-0500), Martin McCormick wrote:
> 
> David Wright  writes:
> > My previous post posed two posers. Port?
> 
> It is supposed to be port 465.  That's what the
> conf.autogenerated file showed it should be but it could be doing
> something contrary like port 25-- anything but the right one.

Perhaps my earlier attachment got lost, so here's the text:

--✁

Enter Outgoing Server Settings information and click Create.

SMTP Server: smtp.suddenlink.net
User Name: Your Suddenlink email address
Password: The password for your Suddenlink email account
Outgoing Mail Port: 25 or 587

--✃

>   I have joined the exim-users mailing list as of a few
> hours ago and if I find anything useful, I will let the list,
> here, know as I suspect that something changed and the fix is
> non-intuitive but probably not difficult if one knows what to
> tweak.  The server at our internet service provider is fairly
> standards-based so we shouldn't have to boil the ocean to make it
> work again.

AIUI 587 is the standard email submission port and 465 is now
deprecated but often still in use. I think they differ in the
details of how they handle encrypting the session.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 02:08:59 PM Pétùr wrote:
> I don't use aptitude. I use only apt and apt-get but I believe apt is
> just a shortcut for apt-get. `apt update` is equivalent for me to
> `apt-get update` and `apt dist-upgrade` to `apt-get dist-upgrade`
> (correct me if I am wrong).

   * [[https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/][Difference Between 
apt and apt-get Explained]]

> 
> My question was if apt (or apt-get) dist-upgrade was equivalent of apt
> (or apt-get) full-upgrade?

   * [[https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/][Difference Between 
apt and apt-get Explained]]

Re: package won't configure, stuck in queue

[David Wright]

On Wed 30 May 2018 at 09:24:44 (-0500), Charles Zeitler wrote:
> recently synaptic pulled in initramfs-tools, as a dependency.
> 
> it froze before fully configured, and i killed apt.
> now I get the message to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
> whenever i use apt/synaptic.
> 
> when I try "sudo dpkg --configure -a", however, it also freezes before
> finishing configuration.
> 
> is there some way to remove initramfs-tools from the queue?

You could look at   dpkg -l   or   apt-get check
and see whether the problem lies with just the one package.

If there are several, you could trydpkg --configure
one by one rather than en masse.

You could try reinstalling initramfs-tools with   dpkg -i
(might need force as it's partly done).

One of the configuration steps isupdate-initramfs -u
so it might be worth checking if there's a damaged
initrd.img that's causing it to stall.

Cheers,
David.

Re: package won't configure, stuck in queue

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 05:39:58PM -0500, Charles Zeitler wrote:
> sudo dpkg --dry-run -r initramfs-tools
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of initramfs-tools:
>  linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 depends on initramfs-tools (>=
> 0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool; however:

To be honest I'd probably be comfortable letting it remove it by
ignoring dependencies. As long as it's installable again right
after, nothing is going to break.

# dpkg --force-depends -r initramfs-tools
# apt install initramfs-tools

Cheers,
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Re: File managers show files and directories in reverse order.........

[Richard Hector]

On 30/05/18 11:12, Charlie S wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:22:08 + (UTC) Curt sent:
> 
>> On 2018-05-29, Charlie S  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder how one discovers what file managers there are installed on
>>> this system. I suppose have to name each one and see which are
>>> installed that way.  
>>
>>  xdg-mime query default inode/directory
>>
>> works here (xdg-mime is part of xdg-utils) to discover the default
>> file manager on my machine.
>>
>> curty@einstein:~$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
>> pcmanfm.desktop
>>
>> Of course that wasn't the question you were asking, but it's the
>> answer I'm giving.
> 
> 
>   After contemplation, my reply is:
> 
> Thanks Curt,
> 
> Siard had the thing right. There was a spin tiller, but because my file
> manager window was too small, it wasn't in the picture.
> 
> It does beg the question, if that window has always been so small how
> did I change the order of the way the file manager presented the
> directories and files? There must be a key combination shortcut that
> would do it? Maybe?

You can click anywhere on the Name header to switch the order, so you
don't have to be able to see the indicator. I often click on those
things by mistake.

Richard




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Re: package won't configure, stuck in queue

[Charles Zeitler]

thanks.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 09:24:44AM -0500, Charles Zeitler wrote:
>> it froze before fully configured, and i killed apt.
>> now I get the message to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
>> whenever i use apt/synaptic.
>>
>> when I try "sudo dpkg --configure -a", however, it also freezes before
>> finishing configuration.
>
> What happens if you use dpkg -r to remove initramfs-tools and try
> installing it again with apt?

sudo dpkg --dry-run -r initramfs-tools
dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of initramfs-tools:
 linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 depends on initramfs-tools (>=
0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool; however:
  Package initramfs-tools is to be removed.
  Package linux-initramfs-tool is not installed.
  Package initramfs-tools which provides linux-initramfs-tool is to be removed.
 linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 depends on initramfs-tools (>=
0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool; however:
  Package initramfs-tools is to be removed.
  Package linux-initramfs-tool is not installed.
  Package initramfs-tools which provides linux-initramfs-tool is to be removed.

dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--remove):
 dependency problems - not removing
Errors were encountered while processing:
 initramfs-tools


>
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> Andy
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Sane backends

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Originally, I placed my firmware file in /usr/share/sane. But in Buster
this dir seems to have disappeared. Could someone tell me what are the
new standard location? guideline? Where should be this kind of file
(firmware for a scanner, here snapscan)? Or is there a new installation
method for such external resources?

Thanks for your help

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Paquet Sane

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Bonjour à tous,

Historiquement je mets mon firmware dans /usr/share/sane. Mais ce
dossier semble avoir disparu sous buster. Quelqu'un sait ce qu'il s'est
passé? Et surtout, où est-on censé metre les firmwares maintenant,
quelle est la bonne pratique?

Merci de votre aide

Cordialement,

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Re: package won't configure, stuck in queue

[Andy Smith]

Hi Charles,

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 09:24:44AM -0500, Charles Zeitler wrote:
> it froze before fully configured, and i killed apt.
> now I get the message to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
> whenever i use apt/synaptic.
> 
> when I try "sudo dpkg --configure -a", however, it also freezes before
> finishing configuration.

What happens if you use dpkg -r to remove initramfs-tools and try
installing it again with apt?

Cheers,
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Re: appropriate package for bug report about qualcomm atheros attansic l1

[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 30 May 2018, Υπάτιος Μ. Μωυσιάδης wrote:
> i want to send through email a bug report, for a bug that i think my pc has.
> My problem/bug, is that i have a network card qualcomm atheros attansic l1
> gigabit ethernet (revb0) [1969:1048], that can't connect to the internet,
> through ethernet which is the only option. From some commands that i found
> in the internet i show in my pc a message [1.456178] atl1 probe of
> :02:00.0 failed with error -5.

This bug has already been reported:
https://bugs.debian.org/779329

Your best bet is to try to reproduce it with a more modern kernel (or
perhaps see if a backported kernel still shows the issue), and mail
that bug report with details on how to reproduce it.

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neatly away so that they don't upset people. Nature, in fact, abhors a
lot of things, including vacuums, ships called the Marie Celeste, and
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Re: Retour d'expérience avec un clavier Qwerty International

[C. Mourad Jaber]

Le 15/05/2018 à 18:35, Olivier a écrit :

Hello,

Un fil sur cette liste détaillant un pb de configuration du clavier me décide à poser 
des questions qui me trottent dans le tête depuis quelque temps.



1. Je pianote depuis toujours, sur un PC avec un clavier Azerty.
Je lis ici ou là qu'un clavier Qwerty International facilite la saisie de code.
Quelqu'un a-t-il sauté le pas en passant  au Qwerty International ?
Au bout de combien de temps s'est-il habitué ?
Et pour la bureautique ?

2. Peut-on les yeux fermés espérer qu'un clavier Qwerty International fonctionne avec 
des distributions spécialisées comme Knoppix, ou autre ciblée dépannage ?


Slts

Bonjour,

Personnellement, je suis passé au Qwertz (clavier suisse), pour le code et la bureautique, 
je trouve que c'est un bon compromis...


Le changement de clavier est toujours un vrai effort (1 mois ou 2 pour retrouver sa 
vélocité de frappe)...


Mes 2 cents

Mourad

Re: Tea4CUPS: TEABILLING reports error

[Rainer Dorsch]

On Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 16:44:42 CEST Brian Potkin wrote:
> On Wed 30 May 2018 at 12:40:35 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> > I have tea4cups configured to power on my printer before printing. In
> > order to do this, I prepended tea4cups:/ to the DeviceURI in
> > printers.conf (if I remove this and power on the
> > printer manually before printing, everything works as expected):
> I suppose this should work ok if done when cupsd is not running. I'd be
> inclined to modify the existing queue or set up a new one. A virtual
> queue would allow testing Tea4CUPS without wrapping the backend.

I do the modification after a systemd stop cups.service

> The printer is being powered on by some type of electronic switch?

Yes, this one: http://energenie.com/item.aspx?id=7415=en

Works well with the sispmctl package.

> > /etc/cups/printers.conf:
> > DeviceURI tea4cups:/http://hpljwlan:631/ipp/
> 
> http:// is a symlink the ipp backend. It's always useful to know what
> model of printer is being used.

I was not aware of that, I need to dig into more detail here in the next days.

The printer is a HP CP1525NW.

> > I configured the printer power on script:
> > 
> > /etc/cups/tea4cups.conf:
> > 
> > 
> > but I get unfortunately an error in /var/log/cups/error_log
> > 
> > 
> > E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : Traceback
> > (most recent call last):
> > 
> > Is seems something goes wrong while setting the TEABILLING environement
> > variable.
> > 
> > Has anybody an idea why that could be?
> 
> tea4cups.conf is the configuration file for Tea4CUPS. I guess you are
> using a prehook or posthook to activate the printer; we really need to
> know what you have for it (including any associated script). What part
> does TEABILLING play in the process?

Yes, a prehook and the TEABILLING shows in the stack trace, I am not using it 
intentionally at all...

Aaah...now I see what went wrong: My orignal post contained the information, 
but it seems only in the HTML view, not sure why kmail decided to leave out 
this information in the text representation  :-/ Avoided HTML view now in this 
mail, sorry for that.


For easier reference I append the previous post:

I have tea4cups configured to power on my printer before printing. In order to 
do this, I prepended tea4cups:/ to the DeviceURI in printers.conf (if I remove 
this and power on the printer manually before printing, everything works as 
expected):
 
/etc/cups/printers.conf:
DeviceURI tea4cups:/http://hpljwlan:631/ipp/
I configured the printer power on script:
 
/etc/cups/tea4cups.conf:
prehook_sispmctl : /usr/local/bin/printeron
 
but I get unfortunately an error in /var/log/cups/error_log
with every print job and the job is stopped.
 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : Traceback (most 
recent call last): 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) :   File \"/usr/
lib/cups/backend/tea4cups\", line 1502, in  
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : 
wrapper.exportAttributes() 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) :   File \"/usr/
lib/cups/backend/tea4cups\", line 1214, in exportAttributes 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : 
os.environ[\"TEABILLING\"] = self.JobBilling or \"\" 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) :   File \"/usr/
lib/python2.7/os.py\", line 473, in __setitem__ 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : putenv(key, 
item) 
E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : TypeError: 
putenv() argument 2 must be string, not int

Is seems something goes wrong while setting the TEABILLING environment 
variable. 

Many thank
Rainer

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Re: OT: editar pagina en html

[Germán Avendaño Ramírez]

> Les puedo asegurar que lo mejorcito para LINUX en edición de video es el 
> Kdenlive, los otros quedan muy detrás, se pueden editar videos pero de uso 
> familiar doméstico.
> 
> Editores con capacidades similares al  Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere o Final Cut 
> (para WIN o MAC) NO existen en LINUX.
> 

Por qué adobe saca sus productos para Win y Mac solamente? Debiera
hacerse la crítica justamente a esta empresas.
Falta desarrollo de buenos editores para Gnu/Linux, cierto, entonces que
hacemos?

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Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[Dan Norton]

On Wed, 30 May 2018 18:53:54 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Wed 30 May 2018 at 00:31:25 +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 29 May 2018 20:39:28 +0100 Brian said:
> >   
> > > If a package is upgraded, surely a user would want any new
> > > packages to be installed if they are required to satisfy
> > > dependencies. apt's designed behaviour looks more sensible than
> > > apt-get's.  
> > 
> > Then removal of blocking packages are equally (if not more)
> > sensible than installing new ones. There is a well designed clear
> > cut distinction between apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade. "upgrade"
> > upgrades the system  
> 
> As there is between apt upgrade and apt full-upgrade.
> 
> > non-intrusively, while "dist-upgrade" does that intrusively as its
> > name suggests. OTOH apt upgrade's behavior is in-between,
> > semi-intrusive, and spoils that clear-cut distinction. Therefore I
> > think apt-get works more sensible than apt in this regard.  
> 
> I'm sorry, the "intrusive/non-intrusive" aspect doesn't seem that
> useful to me. After an update, apt can tell you which packages are
> upgradable. That aspect strikes me as being very informative.
> 

This discussion led me to use apt-get again, instead of apt, which I
used to keep stretch installations up to date. The occasion was a
security update notification for the git package.

apt-get update printed 30 lines or so (sorry, I did not save the
output) but mentioned nothing about the need to upgrade.

apt-get upgrade produced no output.

There is nothing in /var/log/apt/term.log or /var/log/apt/history.log
to indicate that apt-get was used.

apt update mentioned 3 packages needing upgrade
apt upgrade processed the 3 packages and /var/log/apt/term.log
and /var/log/apt/history.log show this.

Is the above to be expected and is there some configuration change
needed if I want to use apt-get again?

 -Dan

Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[Curt]

On 2018-05-30, Brian  wrote:
>
> I'm at a loss to understand the argument here. 'apt update/upgrade'
> also provides information that the user can act on. If a package on
> your system acquires a new dependency X, 'apt-get upgrade' will not
> upgrade it (is that really an upgrade? :) ) but apt upgrade will (if
> it does require the removal of an existing package).
>
> The question becomes: do you really want the system to be upgraded or
> only half-upgraded?
>

They want to be sophisticated.

Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[Brian]

On Wed 30 May 2018 at 10:37:32 -0400, John Cunningham wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 5:37 PM Brian  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 29 May 2018 at 15:52:12 -0400, John Cunningham wrote:
> >
> > > Not necessarily. Sometimes the dependencies get out of hand, like when a
> > > big project adopts a small utility and then decides that the entire
> > project
> > > is a dependency for the tiny utility.  It doesn't happen often, but it
> > has
> > > happened to me. I like that apt-get upgrade updates everything else. If I
> > > decide I can stomach the other packages, I can always do a apt-get
> > > dist-upgrade and install them.
> >
> > Your unfortunate (and undetailed) experience has to be balanced against
> > the benefits which accrue to most users in having an up-to-date Debian.
> 
> In my belief, it is right in the sweet spot in that regard.  It provides
> information and lets the user make the decision. It's much easier to do a
> dist-upgrade than to find and remove unwanted packages.

I'm at a loss to understand the argument here. 'apt update/upgrade'
also provides information that the user can act on. If a package on
your system acquires a new dependency X, 'apt-get upgrade' will not
upgrade it (is that really an upgrade? :) ) but apt upgrade will (if
it does require the removal of an existing package).

The question becomes: do you really want the system to be upgraded or
only half-upgraded?

-- 
Brian.

Re: Very light "private" cloud

[deloptes]

Michelle Konzack wrote:

> It has something to do with it, because normally I would code things
> I need myself!  Since my house is not ready and I have move out on
> 31th from my provisory flat and continue living in my Sprinter, I have
> not the possibility to code anythin currently!

I don't know how excellent developer you are, but when I hear "I can code it
myself" many red lights flash.

Anyone could code anything - it is just matter of time - to learn coding, to
develop skills and to code. But this is not the end, after coding you need
testing and so on. So if you sit down to code something from scratch that
means that you have found a niche.
I don't know if this logic applies to your case, but it would be wise to use
some kind of collaboration framework ... and well about the database - I am
even not sure if what you state is true. But I leave it here. I heard about
your background, but it is going OT.
I just wonder why you choose Estonia, but it is also OT - I have a friend
that offers server space - hosts located in EU and he admins his own
servers - so everything is under our control there (more or less) - I have
one free domain slot/IP - for about 40€/y with all you need - let me know
if interested. It uses Installatron with tons of tools to install and some
kind of cloud should be there too, though I have not looked for long time
at the software list, but it could be that you find something useful.
contact me off list 

regards

Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[Brian]

On Wed 30 May 2018 at 00:31:25 +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote:

> On Tue, 29 May 2018 20:39:28 +0100 Brian said:
> 
> > If a package is upgraded, surely a user would want any new packages
> > to be installed if they are required to satisfy dependencies. apt's
> > designed behaviour looks more sensible than apt-get's.
> 
> Then removal of blocking packages are equally (if not more) sensible than
> installing new ones. There is a well designed clear cut distinction between
> apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade. "upgrade" upgrades the system

As there is between apt upgrade and apt full-upgrade.

> non-intrusively, while "dist-upgrade" does that intrusively as its name
> suggests. OTOH apt upgrade's behavior is in-between, semi-intrusive, and 
> spoils
> that clear-cut distinction. Therefore I think apt-get works more sensible than
> apt in this regard.

I'm sorry, the "intrusive/non-intrusive" aspect doesn't seem that useful
to me. After an update, apt can tell you which packages are upgradable.
That aspect strikes me as being very informative.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[Brian]

On Wed 30 May 2018 at 08:59:31 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 08:39:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > If a package is upgraded, surely a user would want any new packages
> > to be installed if they are required to satisfy dependencies. apt's
> > designed behaviour looks more sensible than apt-get's.
> 
> False dichotomy. More "newbie friendly" maybe. And that is what it
> was made for. For an experienced user, perhaps apt-get's behavior
> makes more sense.

True, experienced users have to adjust to the change in behaviour
(unless they were previously using --with-new-pkgs with apt-get),
but it is hardly a seismic event. The unification of apt-get and
apt-cache (some common directives only) is also beneficial to all
users (the target group for apt usage).
 
> Of course, it seems somewhat unfortunate that both apt and apt-get
> use the same subcommand name for slightly different things.

I agree, slightly inconvenient and takes some getting used to. We
could now argue about when is an "upgrade" not an "upgrade"? :).

-- 
Brian.

Re: Very light "private" cloud

[Mart van de Wege]

Stefan Monnier  writes:

>> I used it at my previous job, and it works fine. Bonus: it has Debian
>> packages, and it is Free Software.
>
> I only see packages for the client side.

Eh. You're right.

The Seafile site has a download for the server though.

Regards,

Mart

-- 
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

Re: upgrade to X 1.20.0 broken

[Stephen Huysman]

I had the same issue after an update yesterday on my Thinkpad T410 with 
a GeForce 9100M running Debian Sid using Nouveau display drivers.  The 
problem seemed to be caused by the Xfce compositor as disabling it let 
me log in normally.  Other window managers also seemed to work 
(WindowMaker in my case)



On 05/29/2018 08:38 PM, rog...@onlinenw.com wrote:

Hello,

I am running sid, and updated to X.org 1.20.0. Since then I cannot login.

I am running lightdm with xfce. lightdm comes up just fine, but when I login,
after a second or two, it comes back to the lightdm login screen. I have
an old
graphics card (EVGA 6600GT) and monitor (NEC 1970GX) from 2005. They use the
nouveau display driver.

Has anyone else run into this problem? I am not sure if this is an
xserver-xorg-core problem or an nouveau problem. The only change for nouveau
that I am aware of is that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau was rebuilt against
xserver 1.20.

Below are the error messages that I could find. I'm not sure how to interpret
the backtrace.


from /home/myhome/.xsession-errors:

dbus-update-activation-environment: setting
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
/usr/bin/x-session-manager: X server already running on display :0
xfce4-session-Message: 14:51:48.954: SSH authentication agent is already
running
gpg-agent[1243]: WARNING: "--write-env-file" is an obsolete option - it
has no effect
gpg-agent: a gpg-agent is already running - not starting a new one

(xfce4-session:1226): xfce4-session-WARNING **: 14:51:48.958: gpg-agent
returned no PID in the variables
Thunar: Cannot open display:
xfwm4: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xfce4-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X
server :0.


from /var/log/Xorg.0.log:

[  7878.421] (EE)
[  7878.421] (EE) Backtrace:
[  7878.422] (EE) 0: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (xorg_backtrace+0x4d)
[0x5571771ab6fd]
[  7878.422] (EE) 1: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x1b73b9)
[0x5571771af3b9]
[  7878.422] (EE) 2: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
(0x7fdff872+0x11f50) [0x7fdff8731f50]
[  7878.422] (EE) 3: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (miRenderColorToPixel+0xe)
[0x55717711fa9e]
[  7878.422] (EE) 4: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so
(0x7fdff519+0xf12b) [0x7fdff519f12b]
[  7878.422] (EE) 5: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x13a786)
[0x557177132786]
[  7878.422] (EE) 6: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x12eaec)
[0x557177126aec]
[  7878.422] (EE) 7: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x5b008)
[0x557177053008]
[  7878.422] (EE) 8: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x5f008)
[0x557177057008]
[  7878.422] (EE) 9: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
(__libc_start_main+0xe7) [0x7fdff8381a87]
[  7878.422] (EE) 10: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (_start+0x2a) [0x557177040d0a]
[  7878.422] (EE)
[  7878.422] (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x8
[  7878.422] (EE)
Fatal server error:
[  7878.422] (EE) Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[  7878.422] (EE)
[  7878.422] (EE)
Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
 at http://wiki.x.org
  for help.
[  7878.422] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
for additional information.
[  7878.422] (EE)
[  7878.422] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
[  7878.422] (II) NOUVEAU(0): NVLeaveVT is called.
[  7878.423] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.


Thanks for any help.
Roger

Re: KVM/Qemu : 100% CPU sur Jessie depuis le 14 mai 2018

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le mardi 22 mai 2018, 13:24:02 CEST Olivier a écrit :
> @Gilles:
> Bonjour,

Bonjour,

Désolé, j'étais en vacances (yes !).
 
> 1. Chez moi, j'ai toujours une CPU qui grimpe à 100% au démarrage de chaque
> VM, avant même l'affichage des premiers écrans.
> Est-ce aussi le cas chez toi ?

Oui !

> 2. As-tu identifié la modification (mise à jour ?) qui pourrait avoir
> provoqué cette anomalie ?

Et non...

> 3. Quelle architecture (i686 ? amd64 ? ...) sur la machine concernée ?

amd64
 
Par contre, j'ai créé une VM de zéro avec un CD d'install Ubuntu, et je n'ai 
pas eu le problème.

Je n'ai le problème qu'avec des VM lancées par vagrant via libvirt 
(environnement de test du projet ceph-ansible).
Ce sont peut-être leurs images qui ne sont pas bonnes, ou la conf "matérielle" 
générée par vagrant...

En attendant, je suis passé sous VirtualBox. Dommage, pour une fois qu'un 
projet proposait d'utiliser KVM en virtualisation via vagrant, ça me plaisait 
!

appropriate package for bug report about qualcomm atheros attansic l1

[Υπάτιος Μ . Μωυσιάδης]

Hello,

i want to send through email a bug report, for a bug that i think my pc 
has. My problem/bug, is that i have a network card qualcomm atheros 
attansic l1 gigabit ethernet (revb0) [1969:1048], that can't connect to 
the internet, through ethernet which is the only option. From some 
commands that i found in the internet i show in my pc a message 
[1.456178] atl1 probe of :02:00.0 failed with error -5.


Which package should i use in my report? In the "How to report a bug in 
Debian using emai" that i found here 
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#filedalready , says that these is 
the first step, but i have no idea what the package is.


Also i can't use reportbug program, because my debian 9.4 machine 
doesn't have internet access and i'm writing from a windows machine.


Thanks

Re: Tea4CUPS: TEABILLING reports error

[Brian Potkin]

On Wed 30 May 2018 at 12:40:35 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:

> I have tea4cups configured to power on my printer before printing. In order 
> to do this, I 
> prepended tea4cups:/ to the DeviceURI in printers.conf (if I remove this and 
> power on the 
> printer manually before printing, everything works as expected):

I suppose this should work ok if done when cupsd is not running. I'd be
inclined to modify the existing queue or set up a new one. A virtual
queue would allow testing Tea4CUPS without wrapping the backend.

The printer is being powered on by some type of electronic switch?
 
> /etc/cups/printers.conf:
> DeviceURI tea4cups:/http://hpljwlan:631/ipp/

http:// is a symlink the ipp backend. It's always useful to know what
model of printer is being used.

> I configured the printer power on script:
> 
> /etc/cups/tea4cups.conf:
> 
> 
> but I get unfortunately an error in /var/log/cups/error_log
> 
> 
> E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : Traceback (most 
> recent call 
> last): 
> 
> Is seems something goes wrong while setting the TEABILLING environement 
> variable. 
> 
> Has anybody an idea why that could be?

tea4cups.conf is the configuration file for Tea4CUPS. I guess you are
using a prehook or posthook to activate the printer; we really need to
know what you have for it (including any associated script). What part
does TEABILLING play in the process?

-- 
Brian.

Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[John Cunningham]

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 5:37 PM Brian  wrote:

> On Tue 29 May 2018 at 15:52:12 -0400, John Cunningham wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:39 PM Brian  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue 29 May 2018 at 21:57:31 +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 13:18:16 -0500 David Wright said:
> > > > > On Tue 29 May 2018 at 18:38:40 (+0300), Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 09:14:12 -0400 Greg Wooledge said:
> > > > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 09:31:14PM +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --✁
> > > > > > > > I never use apt, so I am relying on the man page.
> > > > > --✃
> > > > >
> > > > > (That got snipped.)
> > > > >
> > > > > > > That's incorrect.  One of the differences between apt and
> apt-get
> > > is
> > > > > > > that apt WILL install new packages when doing "apt upgrade"
> (but it
> > > > > > > will not remove existing packages).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another difference is that apt will remove all of the .deb
> files
> > > from
> > > > > > > /var/cache/apt/archives that were downloaded for the CURRENT
> apt
> > > command
> > > > > > > session (but will not remove any that were already there).
> (This
> > > > > > > behavior can be changed in a config file.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmm yes, apt upgrade do install new packages. I didn't look at
> the
> > > man page
> > > > > > for apt and assumed that -at least- the same keywords would work
> the
> > > same
> > > > > > in both apt and apt-get. I was wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mmm.
> > > >
> > > > I think I owe an explanation regarding whether I referred to the man
> > > page or
> > > > not. :)
> > > >
> > > > For different operations and keywords like full-upgrade vs.
> dist-upgrade
> > > I did
> > > > refer to the man page, but it didn't occur to me that the exact same
> > > keyword
> > > > (upgrade) would behave different in apt, so I didn't cross check
> > > behavior of
> > > > "upgrade" in respective man pages. I simply assumed apt upgrade would
> > > behave
> > > > ditto apt-get upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > This is how I both do and don't look up at the man pages at the same
> > > time.
> > >
> > > If a package is upgraded, surely a user would want any new packages
> > > to be installed if they are required to satisfy dependencies. apt's
> > > designed behaviour looks more sensible than apt-get's.
> >
> > Not necessarily. Sometimes the dependencies get out of hand, like when a
> > big project adopts a small utility and then decides that the entire
> project
> > is a dependency for the tiny utility.  It doesn't happen often, but it
> has
> > happened to me. I like that apt-get upgrade updates everything else. If I
> > decide I can stomach the other packages, I can always do a apt-get
> > dist-upgrade and install them.
>
> Your unfortunate (and undetailed) experience has to be balanced against
> the benefits which accrue to most users in having an up-to-date Debian.
>

In my belief, it is right in the sweet spot in that regard.  It provides
information and lets the user make the decision. It's much easier to do a
dist-upgrade than to find and remove unwanted packages.

--John

package won't configure, stuck in queue

[Charles Zeitler]

recently synaptic pulled in initramfs-tools, as a dependency.

it froze before fully configured, and i killed apt.
now I get the message to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
whenever i use apt/synaptic.

when I try "sudo dpkg --configure -a", however, it also freezes before
finishing configuration.

is there some way to remove initramfs-tools from the queue?

thank you
charles zeitler

-- 
 The Perfect Is The Enemy Of
 The Good Enough

Re: Very light "private" cloud

[Stefan Monnier]

> I used it at my previous job, and it works fine. Bonus: it has Debian
> packages, and it is Free Software.

I only see packages for the client side.
Is there a Debian package for the server side (like there used to be
for owncloud)?


Stefan

Re: Dell inspiron mini v1012

[Galvatorix Torixgalva]

Hola,

una instalacion no es perfecta, puede fallar.

Por lo que cuentas, podrias probar a iniciar desde algun LiveCD que te
permita eliminar todas las particiones, crearlas de nuevo y formatearlas.
Tras ese paso, prueba a instalar.

Un saludo

Re: Re: Lenovo Yoga 920 - debian installer goes black

[Frederik Vanrenterghem]

Hi Greg,

> I had a similar problem some time ago (getting a blank screen in the
> Debian 9.3 installer), also with a Lenovo laptop. I was able to solve
> the problem by going into the BIOS and under startup options changing
> the "UEFI/Legacy Boot" setting to "Both."

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, no such option appears available in
my BIOS version. I tried setting an administrator password, which does
unlock a few more options - for instance to disable Intel SGX, but that
didn't help.

It's working in Ubuntu, but that seems to be using a different way to
install altogether. I'm wondering if I could replace the kernel d-i uses
with the one from the Ubuntu installer for instance, or if there are any
options I should add to the vmlinuz line in Grub.

Cheers,
Frederik

Re: Very light "private" cloud

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi,

Am 2018-05-30 hackte to...@tuxteam.de in die Tasten:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 08:13:22AM +0300, Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> Tell the bookkeeper to download all those pfd invoices and whatelse
>> per SFTP?  --  Sounds funny except if there is a Linux Geek!  ;-)
>
> Your bookkeeper's browser most probably talks sftp -- so you just send
> her this funny URL starting with sftp://.
>
> Most probably (s)he won't even notice :-)

1:0 for you...
Most of this office peoples are just stupid!

> Cheers

-- 
Michelle KonzackMiila ITSystems @ TDnet
GNU/Linux Developer 00372-54541400

Re: Very light "private" cloud

[Mart van de Wege]

"Michelle Konzack"  writes:

> Good day,
>
> I am searching vor a OwnCloud/NextCloud replacement, because I use
> exclusively and can not use MySQL.  Also the updates drive me nuts
> and its resurce conumption.
>
> Is there something MUCH MORE simplier and lighter?
>
> Preferable without ANY databases and written in PHP5 for possibel
> extensions?
>
> I need only access for maybe 10 (active) users and a bunch of users
> which have to get read access zu certain files/directories
>
> I want to use a seperated host like 
>
> Any suggestions?

Seafile.

I used it at my previous job, and it works fine. Bonus: it has Debian
packages, and it is Free Software.

Mart
-- 
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

Re: chaîner des applications au démarrage

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 29/05/18 à 16:44, Daniel Caillibaud  a écrit :
DC> J'ai finalement crée un 2e scrip, ça donne dans l'autostart
DC> 
DC>   Exec=/path/to/scriptChained.sh
DC> 
DC> et dans ce script
DC> 
DC>   if sudo /path/to/script.sh
DC>   then
DC> nohup /usr/bin/keepassxc /path/to/passlist.kdbx > /dev/null &
DC>   else
DC> echo "mount KO => keypass pas lancé :-/"
DC>   fi
DC> 
DC> et ça marche enfin…

Ça a fonctionné quand je l'ai testé, mais pas ce matin :-/
Je lâche l'affaire… (et fait un clic de plus à chaque boot pour lancer
keepassxc manuellement après montage)

-- 
Daniel

Révolution française, Un Corse la finira.
Alphonse Allais, Anagrammes

Re: Question on HA configuration.

[Dan Ritter]

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 02:01:05PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> Dear Sir,
> 
> As you have mentioned earlier below.
> 
> wtprd0X (search for ‘wtprd0’) - these are front end web server nodes for an
> HA cluster (uses HAProxy in pfSense)
> wtsqlprd01-3 (search for wtsql) - these are 3 MySQL servers for the backend
> of a site in HA
> 
> I can understand the purpose of 3 frontends but how 3 Mysqls are designed
> are they replicating to each other get updated or or is this a enterprise
> cluster.
> Cluster in a sense where you are running multple nodes of MYSQL but
> application sees only one and if any of the instance goes down the other
> stands for backup. is it like.
> 
>  how does the 3 MYsql stack works. ?
> 

There's lots of information here:

https://mariadb.com/blog-tags/high-availability

The basic options for databases are:

- single write master, multiple read-only replicas

- single write which is also single read, with a standby replica
  that can be substituted in case of a disaster

- multiple read/write replicas available simultaneously, but
  performance is often slower because they all need to
  coordinate potential conflicts

- multiple read/write replicas with "sharding", so conflicts are
  less likely

- and then there are combinations of the above.

The information you have given is insufficient to tell which
scenario is happening.

-dsr-

Re: cannot raise the limit of max open files for other users than root

[davidson]

On Wed, 30 May 2018, s7r wrote:


Hello,

Running Debian Stretch here.

I modified /etc/security/limits.conf with limits for soft/hard nofile to
1 for * (any user), root and my username. Also added session
requried to /etc/pam.d/common-session* files.

Only for root ulimit -Hn or -Sn shown the correct number. For my
username it did not work until I edited /etc/systemd/user.conf and
/etc/systemd/system.conf with the number of max open files I am willing
to allow for this user.


If you had begun this non-root session *before* editing
/etc/security/limits.conf, then you should not have expected

 $ ulimit -Sn

(for example) *in that session* to reflect your edits:

 | $ man 5 limits.conf
 | [...]

 | Also, please note that all limit settings are set per login. They
 | are not global, nor are they permanent; existing only for the
 | duration of the session.

To see the new limits take effect in a session, you would have needed
to log in to that session in *after* making the changes.

For the record, on stretch, here, in tty3:

 $ ulimit -Sn
 1024

And then, in tty2

 # echo '* soft nofile 1025' >> /etc/security/limits.conf

And then again, back in tty3 (without logging out), as documented
above:

 $ ulimit -Sn # No change, no surprise.
 1024

But then, logging out of tty3...

 $ exit

...and logging back in again on tty3 as same regular user:

 $ ulimit -Sn # Change reflected.
 1025

As expected.


Is this a bug or expected behavior? Why doesn't it work from editing
/etc/security/limits.conf?


Maybe it did work exactly as expected. Or maybe it didn't. We need
more information on the sequence of your logins, relative to the
changes to limits.conf, to tell whether the behavior that surprised
you in your non-root session was inconsistent with the documented
behavior.


Thank you.


--

[Redacted] Arrested for [Redacted] Outside [Redacted]: Leeds Crown Court Issues 
Media Ban

https://archive.is/6Dk1o

Tea4CUPS: TEABILLING reports error

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi,

I have tea4cups configured to power on my printer before printing. In order to 
do this, I 
prepended tea4cups:/ to the DeviceURI in printers.conf (if I remove this and 
power on the 
printer manually before printing, everything works as expected):

/etc/cups/printers.conf:
DeviceURI tea4cups:/http://hpljwlan:631/ipp/

I configured the printer power on script:

/etc/cups/tea4cups.conf:


but I get unfortunately an error in /var/log/cups/error_log


E [30/May/2018:08:51:40 +0200] [Job 16] Tea4CUPS (PID 9689) : Traceback (most 
recent call 
last): 

Is seems something goes wrong while setting the TEABILLING environement 
variable. 

Has anybody an idea why that could be?

Many thanks
Rainer


-- 
Rainer Dorsch
http://bokomoko.de/

Re: upgrade to X 1.20.0 broken

[Sven Joachim]

On 2018-05-29 17:38 -0700, rog...@onlinenw.com wrote:

> I am running sid, and updated to X.org 1.20.0. Since then I cannot login.
>
> I am running lightdm with xfce. lightdm comes up just fine, but when I login,
> after a second or two, it comes back to the lightdm login screen. I have
> an old
> graphics card (EVGA 6600GT) and monitor (NEC 1970GX) from 2005. They use the
> nouveau display driver.
>
> Has anyone else run into this problem?

With my old GT 8500 GT, xserver 1.20 runs fine with the nouveau driver.

> I am not sure if this is an xserver-xorg-core problem or an nouveau
> problem. The only change for nouveau that I am aware of is that
> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau was rebuilt against xserver 1.20.

That's true.

> Below are the error messages that I could find. I'm not sure how to interpret
> the backtrace.

"Segmentation fault at address 0x8" looks like a null pointer
dereference, but otherwise it's difficult for me to tell what is going
on.

> from /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
>
> [  7878.421] (EE)
> [  7878.421] (EE) Backtrace:
> [  7878.422] (EE) 0: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (xorg_backtrace+0x4d)
> [0x5571771ab6fd]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 1: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x1b73b9)
> [0x5571771af3b9]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 2: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
> (0x7fdff872+0x11f50) [0x7fdff8731f50]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 3: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (miRenderColorToPixel+0xe)
> [0x55717711fa9e]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 4: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so
> (0x7fdff519+0xf12b) [0x7fdff519f12b]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 5: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x13a786)
> [0x557177132786]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 6: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x12eaec)
> [0x557177126aec]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 7: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x5b008)
> [0x557177053008]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 8: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (0x557176ff8000+0x5f008)
> [0x557177057008]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 9: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
> (__libc_start_main+0xe7) [0x7fdff8381a87]
> [  7878.422] (EE) 10: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (_start+0x2a) [0x557177040d0a]
> [  7878.422] (EE)
> [  7878.422] (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x8
> [  7878.422] (EE)
> Fatal server error:
> [  7878.422] (EE) Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
> [  7878.422] (EE)
> [  7878.422] (EE)
> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
>at http://wiki.x.org
>  for help.
> [  7878.422] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
> for additional information.
> [  7878.422] (EE)
> [  7878.422] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
> [  7878.422] (II) NOUVEAU(0): NVLeaveVT is called.
> [  7878.423] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
>
>
> Thanks for any help.

Enable the unstable-debug repository[1] in your sources.list, if not
already present, and install xserver-xorg-core-dbgsym and
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-dbgsym from there.  Also useful might be
libdrm2-dbgsym, libdrm-nouveau2-dbgsym and libc6-dbg.

For getting better backtraces with gdb, see [2] and [3].

Good luck,
Sven


1. https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages
2. https://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging
3. https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/ServerDebugging/

Question on HA configuration.

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

Dear Sir,

As you have mentioned earlier below.

wtprd0X (search for ‘wtprd0’) - these are front end web server nodes for an
HA cluster (uses HAProxy in pfSense)
wtsqlprd01-3 (search for wtsql) - these are 3 MySQL servers for the backend
of a site in HA

I can understand the purpose of 3 frontends but how 3 Mysqls are designed
are they replicating to each other get updated or or is this a enterprise
cluster.
Cluster in a sense where you are running multple nodes of MYSQL but
application sees only one and if any of the instance goes down the other
stands for backup. is it like.

 how does the 3 MYsql stack works. ?

Thanks,
yousuf

Re: upgrade to X 1.20.0 broken

[Pétùr]

On 29/05/18 17:38, rog...@onlinenw.com wrote:

Hello,

I am running sid, and updated to X.org 1.20.0. Since then I cannot login.

I am running lightdm with xfce. lightdm comes up just fine, but when I login,
after a second or two, it comes back to the lightdm login screen. I have
an old
graphics card (EVGA 6600GT) and monitor (NEC 1970GX) from 2005. They use the
nouveau display driver.


Same problem here. I have an old graphical card (Quadro FX 880M), the
nvidia driver 340xx is now out of the sid repository (EOL I suppose)
and I tried the nouveau driver. Impossible to log in. I had to go
back to the stable version of nvidia-driver (340) with aptitude.

Re: Majuscules dans le nom d'un paquet Debian ?

[Dominique Dumont]

Bonjour Charles

On Tuesday, 29 May 2018 14:13:02 CEST Charles Plessy wrote:
> > La politique Debian (ma traduction douteuse de "Debian Policy")
>
> c'est « la charte Debian ».

C'est effectivement bien mieux.

Merci :-)

Re: Very light "private" cloud

[tomas]

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> Good morning,

[...]

> Tell the bookkeeper to download all those pfd invoices and whatelse
> per SFTP?  --  Sounds funny except if there is a Linux Geek!  ;-)

Your bookkeeper's browser most probably talks sftp -- so you just send
her this funny URL starting with sftp://.

Most probably (s)he won't even notice :-)

Cheers
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Re: Very light "private" cloud

[tomas]

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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:47:48PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:

[...]

> > (we have since 3 weeks between 24°C and 30°C and no rain in sight)
> 
> How this does contribute to the original question. If everybody starts
> writing here his/her daily business or life stories, it will finish the
> list.

FWIW, to me, your rant was far more disturbing than the lines you
objected to. I guess you can't please everyone :-/

Cheers
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Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

[tomas]

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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 08:39:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> If a package is upgraded, surely a user would want any new packages
> to be installed if they are required to satisfy dependencies. apt's
> designed behaviour looks more sensible than apt-get's.

False dichotomy. More "newbie friendly" maybe. And that is what it
was made for. For an experienced user, perhaps apt-get's behavior
makes more sense.

Of course, it seems somewhat unfortunate that both apt and apt-get
use the same subcommand name for slightly different things.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: Lenovo Yoga 920 - debian installer goes black

[Greg Marks]

Dear Mr. Vanrenterghem, 

I had a similar problem some time ago (getting a blank screen in the
Debian 9.3 installer), also with a Lenovo laptop.  I was able to solve
the problem by going into the BIOS and under startup options changing
the "UEFI/Legacy Boot" setting to "Both."

Sincerely,
Greg Marks


> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 10:23:44 +0800
> From: Frederik Vanrenterghem 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Lenovo Yoga 920 - debian installer goes black
> 
> I'm trying to install the latest weekly build debian-installer netinstall
> image on a Lenovo Yoga 920 (with the non-free drivers - same result as the
> official build). I also tried the latest stable for good measure.
> The initial screen (Debian UEFI installer menu) displays. It's possible to
> go to Grub too.
> As soon as I select either graphical install or install, the screen
> backlight seems to go off / the screen goes black.
> The Ubuntu installer does not have this problem. Is there a way to modify
> the ubuntu installer to initiate the debian installer for instance? (I've
> seen reports of Fedora installing on this laptop too.)
> Best regards,
> Frederik


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