Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:03:14 -0400 Celejar wrote: > Hi, > > I've been bedeviled by this question for a while, but have been unable > to figure out a clean, non-hackish solution. It may be an XY problem ... > > I have a system (laptop, running Debian) that is sometimes connected > directly to my LAN, and sometimes connected via VPN (wireguard, to the > local router, running OpenWrt). The LAN is 192.168.0.0/24, with the > laptop having a fixed, static address in that range (although I'm > certainly open to using DHCP, possibly with a fixed address > reservation). The VPN is 10.0.0.0/24, with the laptop getting a fixed, > static address in that range (and wireguard apparently doesn't work > with dhcp). > > I currently have an entry in /etc/hosts on the various LAN hosts > assigning a hostname to the laptop's fixed local address, and the LAN > hosts can access the laptop via that hostname. [I could alternatively > use dnsmasq, which is running on the router regardless.] This obviously > doesn't work when the laptop is connected via VPN. [The laptop can > access the LAN hosts fine via their hostnames, so I seem to have the > routing correctly configured on the laptop and the router.] > > What I seem to want (but maybe XY?) is some way to adjust the host > files (or dnsmasq's information) so that the hostname will resolve to > the LAN address when the laptop is connected to the LAN, and the VPN > address when it's connected via VPN. If everything was using DHCP, this > would be straightforward enough, but as I said, the VPN apparently > needs to be configured statically, and not via DHCP. I could obviously > use some custom script (using, say, ageas, to modify host files) but > this seems hackish. What is a standard, 'correct' way to do this, or > more generally, to enable the LAN hosts to access the laptop > seamlessly regardless of its IP address and connection type? > > Celejar We had a long thread about this back in April [0], but no good solution was presented, so I decided to design a framework to address this problem. It's probably overkill, but it was a good opportunity to practice my Perl in general, and learn how to write a web application in particular. So FWIW, I give you 'dynhosts': https://github.com/tmo1/dynhosts [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/04/msg00725.html Celejar
Re: Script does not do what it is told to do
On 2019-10-24 at 18:37, Ken Heard wrote: > Whenever I run this script -- or several others like it > it returns the following: > > ken@Turing:~$ tarkbrowsers > tar (child): /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot open: No such > file or directory How are you invoking the script? What does $ type tarkbrowsers report? Does running the script with its full path, rather than by the bare name, make any difference? I'm wondering whether there might somehow be another script with this same name, which is in your PATH ahead (and therefore getting invoked instead) of the one you quoted for us. No idea how that might have gotten to be the case, if so, but it's at least worth explicitly ruling out. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Firefox Seems to Have a Mind of It's Own
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Spelling error in the title. 'Its' as a possessive adjective does not have an apostrophe. "It's" with the apostrophe is only used as a contraction of 'it is' or 'it has'. Regards, Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iF0EARECAB0WIQR9YFyM2lJAhDprmoOU2UnM6QmZNwUCXbJkzwAKCRCU2UnM6QmZ N/RLAJ9qwCulXA35j0dR5BBckI679sBiNwCfUZiwY/8tWEgIXz6iN6JfMGgZPVg= =0IuP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Script does not do what it is told to do
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2019-10-24 8:40 p.m., deloptes wrote: > Ken Heard wrote: > >> Whenever I run this script -- or several others like it >> >> #!/bin/bash # Script to back up all browser files in directory >> /home/ken/mozilla. STARTDIR=$PWD cd /home/ken tar -czf >> /media/fde/backups/kbrowsers.tgz --exclude-caches \ --wildcards >> -T docs/tarlists/kbrowsers.lst cd "$STARTDIR" >> >> it returns the following: >> > > this is not possible because in the script you tell tar to create > archive in /media/fde/backups/ Yes, that is the location where I want the archive kbrowsers.tgz to be put. >> ken@Turing:~$ tarkbrowsers tar (child): >> /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot open: No such file or >> directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: >> /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot write: Broken pipe tar: >> Child returned status 2 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting >> now >> > > and here you are failing to write > /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz /media/ssda/ .. does not exist, neither as a directory or in /etc/fstab >> It is trying to save the tarball to a different portable storage >> device, ssda, which had failed and consequently is no longer in >> /etc/fstab. How could such a thing happen? >> > > obviously it is another script or whatever But how? >> However, if I pull the line with the tar command out of the >> script and running it independently it does what it is told. If >> there is something wrong with the script I can't find it. >> >> I also tried the script with the second line reading >> STARTDIR="$PWD"; but that change made no difference, the result >> was the same. >> > > The question is where do you want to write the data - if on media > attached then create entry in /etc/fstab so that you can mount it > in consistent way, change the script and the problem will be gone. /media/fde is the mount point for the device to which will be written the archive. It is properly mounted, and I can write files to it and read those files. As I said in my original post I am able to write the archive successfully to /media/fde/backups/ by copying the tar command line to a console and read the contents of the tarball. > I have seen all kind of stupid and ugly admin scripts, where the > author himself does not know how or why it is or it is not working > at the end. > > regards Regards, Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iF0EARECAB0WIQR9YFyM2lJAhDprmoOU2UnM6QmZNwUCXbJjwQAKCRCU2UnM6QmZ NzIJAJ9Ng8JazKDR52yEBcyEoatQBu7PQACcCT5xNctrkAiobqpPGG1Soj9lmCI= =fv+M -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Script does not do what it is told to do
Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 2019-10-24 7:12 p.m., Anuradha Weeraman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 06:37:08PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: >>> tar -czf /media/fde/backups/kbrowsers.tgz --exclude-caches \ - >>> --wildcards -T docs/tarlists/kbrowsers.lst >> >> Try removing the single '-' at the beginning of the second line... > > In this instance it does not matter whether that '-' is there or not. > Pulling that line out of the script and running it independently > works both with and without it. > In the original post I did not see any dash screenshot attached
Re: Script does not do what it is told to do
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2019-10-24 7:12 p.m., Anuradha Weeraman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 06:37:08PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: >> tar -czf /media/fde/backups/kbrowsers.tgz --exclude-caches \ - >> --wildcards -T docs/tarlists/kbrowsers.lst > > Try removing the single '-' at the beginning of the second line... In this instance it does not matter whether that '-' is there or not. Pulling that line out of the script and running it independently works both with and without it. Regards, Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iF0EARECAB0WIQR9YFyM2lJAhDprmoOU2UnM6QmZNwUCXbJHlQAKCRCU2UnM6QmZ N9CyAJ0V2UNi7X6qEj+oTe24JWYyksnm/gCff2SSNSfy8oFTt6wS9R+8f5HupZY= =nMke -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Script does not do what it is told to do
Ken Heard wrote: > Whenever I run this script -- or several others like it > > #!/bin/bash > # Script to back up all browser files in directory /home/ken/mozilla. > STARTDIR=$PWD > cd /home/ken > tar -czf /media/fde/backups/kbrowsers.tgz --exclude-caches \ > --wildcards -T docs/tarlists/kbrowsers.lst > cd "$STARTDIR" > > it returns the following: > this is not possible because in the script you tell tar to create archive in /media/fde/backups/ > ken@Turing:~$ tarkbrowsers > tar (child): /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot open: No such > file or directory > tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now > tar: /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot write: Broken pipe > tar: Child returned status 2 > tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > and here you are failing to write /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz > It is trying to save the tarball to a different portable storage > device, ssda, which had failed and consequently is no longer in > /etc/fstab. How could such a thing happen? > obviously it is another script or whatever > However, if I pull the line with the tar command out of the script and > running it independently it does what it is told. If there is > something wrong with the script I can't find it. > > I also tried the script with the second line reading STARTDIR="$PWD"; > but that change made no difference, the result was the same. > The question is where do you want to write the data - if on media attached then create entry in /etc/fstab so that you can mount it in consistent way, change the script and the problem will be gone. I have seen all kind of stupid and ugly admin scripts, where the author himself does not know how or why it is or it is not working at the end. regards
Re: What every programmer should know about memory, in 2019?
Boyan Penkov wrote: > Ulrich Drepper's piece on on-chip memory architectures is a fantastic > read, and I recently had the chance to revisit it -- > https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf > > I am writing to ask more knowledgeable folks if the last 13 years have > seen sufficient changes that render parts of this out of date or > misleading on 2019 hardware. 114 pages! Really :) I am not an expert but let me ask you a question - did something change in the past 13y regarding memory in context of programming? I think no. Only "developers" became dumber.
Re: Script does not do what it is told to do
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 06:37:08PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > tar -czf /media/fde/backups/kbrowsers.tgz --exclude-caches \ > - --wildcards -T docs/tarlists/kbrowsers.lst Try removing the single '-' at the beginning of the second line... -- Regards Anuradha
Script does not do what it is told to do
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Whenever I run this script -- or several others like it #!/bin/bash # Script to back up all browser files in directory /home/ken/mozilla. STARTDIR=$PWD cd /home/ken tar -czf /media/fde/backups/kbrowsers.tgz --exclude-caches \ - --wildcards -T docs/tarlists/kbrowsers.lst cd "$STARTDIR" it returns the following: ken@Turing:~$ tarkbrowsers tar (child): /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: /media/ssda/backups/kbrowsers.tgz: Cannot write: Broken pipe tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now It is trying to save the tarball to a different portable storage device, ssda, which had failed and consequently is no longer in /etc/fstab. How could such a thing happen? However, if I pull the line with the tar command out of the script and running it independently it does what it is told. If there is something wrong with the script I can't find it. I also tried the script with the second line reading STARTDIR="$PWD"; but that change made no difference, the result was the same. Help please! Regards, Ken -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iF0EARECAB0WIQR9YFyM2lJAhDprmoOU2UnM6QmZNwUCXbInjgAKCRCU2UnM6QmZ N4QyAJkBqb+i4+4VRA38OWfWHV1GE15AmQCffAk/LjD8QAk48ElZPDk2ReI5RJc= =tfcB -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
Hi, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > "Sie" or "xie" or similar German-derived words just sound ridiculous > > and made-up, at least to those of us who don't speak German. Dan Ritter wrote: > We have enough German-speakers on this list to chime in as to > how ridiculous "sie" is -- but I will note that it means "they". > Or "she", but not "he". One needs to know the background in order to acknowledge the cultural effort behind Siezen: An old method of germanic warriors to avoid untimely losses at the eve of the battle was not to address each other directly. Rather they spoke like the other guy was not there. This is called "Erzen" (german "er" = english "he"). Like many european languages, german later aquired the addressing mode of "Ihrzen" (german "ihr", english "you", french "vous"), which talks to a single person like to multiple ones. Pluralis maiestatis. "Siezen" is a mix of "Erzen" and "Ihrzen". It addresses the other person as being multiple people not present. I.e. indeed like english "they". Not ridiculous at all, but rather the modern way to speak to those who you do not address intimately or patronizing by "Duzen" (german "du", english "thou", french "tu"). Polite and secure. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On 24/10/2019 07:51, David wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User wrote: Guys, [...] Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. Hi, I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood as excluding valued members of this community. Get a grip. --
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >>> Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a > > >>> gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves > > >>> as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them > > >>> choose between doing that or feeling excluded. > [...] > > This should be on the wiki and on the guidelines for the Debian's > > mailing list. > > For non-native English speakers those subtlety are hard to comprehend! :) > > There's no consensus for how to handle gender neutrality, even among > native speakers. The English language isn't built for it. Every > single approach is wrong, so basically you have to choose which > wrongness you can tolerate. One of the awesome and annoying things about English is that there is no English Language Authority -- French has L'Académie français to opine on what Is and Is Not French, but English doesn't. It's not just "which wrongness you can tolerate" but "which code will be interpreted the way I want it to be interpreted". > "It" is considered offensive, because it implies that the antecedent > is not a person. This is generally true, although there are probably people who prefer it. > "They" is grammatically horrible because it's clearly a plural pronoun, > not a singular pronoun. Oooch, no, sorry. That's probably what you were taught and what you believe, but consider: user...@randomstring.org has a problem. They told us that it itches in all the diodes down their left side. When you don't know a singular person's gender, they and their is acceptable. It's been that way since the 1300s, according to Merriam-Webster's article. > "He/She" or "him/her" is just clumsy and awkward. Definitely clumsy. > "Sie" or "xie" or similar German-derived words just sound ridiculous > and made-up, at least to those of us who don't speak German. We have enough German-speakers on this list to chime in as to how ridiculous "sie" is -- but I will note that it means "they". Or "she", but not "he". > Just try to do the best you can. Nobody has any good answers yet. ... and when someone corrects you about themselves, it's polite to go with what they indicated. Same way it's polite to call me "Dan" or "dsr" but not "Daniel". -dsr- (the hyphens, I assure you, are purely decorative)
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
> >>> Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a > >>> gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves > >>> as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them > >>> choose between doing that or feeling excluded. [...] > This should be on the wiki and on the guidelines for the Debian's > mailing list. > For non-native English speakers those subtlety are hard to comprehend! :) There's no consensus for how to handle gender neutrality, even among native speakers. The English language isn't built for it. Every single approach is wrong, so basically you have to choose which wrongness you can tolerate. "It" is considered offensive, because it implies that the antecedent is not a person. "They" is grammatically horrible because it's clearly a plural pronoun, not a singular pronoun. "He/She" or "him/her" is just clumsy and awkward. "Sie" or "xie" or similar German-derived words just sound ridiculous and made-up, at least to those of us who don't speak German. Just try to do the best you can. Nobody has any good answers yet.
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On 10/24/2019 8:59 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > Doug McGarrett wrote: >> >> >> On 10/24/2019 02:51 AM, David wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User >>> wrote: >>> Guys, [...] Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. >>> >>> Hi, >>> I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try >>> to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood >>> as excluding valued members of this community. >>> >>> Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a >>> gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves >>> as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them >>> choose between doing that or feeling excluded. >>> >>> >> I first heard some young women use the word "guys" for a group of themselves >> back around 1956. So it's not a neologism! > > Neither is singular "they". Nevertheless, it's rude to assume > that everyone worth having their feelings considered is male. > > "Folks", "People", "Fellow users", or in the examples above, > just starting with "I have a problem" and "Thanks" all work > pretty well. There are also fun neologisms like addressing > people by common characteristics -- e.g., calling the > inhabitants of debian-user "Debians". > > "Thanks, Debians." > This should be on the wiki and on the guidelines for the Debian's mailing list. For non-native English speakers those subtlety are hard to comprehend! :) -- John Doe
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
Doug McGarrett wrote: > > > On 10/24/2019 02:51 AM, David wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guys, [...] > > > > > > Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. > > > > Hi, > > I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try > > to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood > > as excluding valued members of this community. > > > > Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a > > gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves > > as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them > > choose between doing that or feeling excluded. > > > > > I first heard some young women use the word "guys" for a group of themselves > back around 1956. So it's not a neologism! Neither is singular "they". Nevertheless, it's rude to assume that everyone worth having their feelings considered is male. "Folks", "People", "Fellow users", or in the examples above, just starting with "I have a problem" and "Thanks" all work pretty well. There are also fun neologisms like addressing people by common characteristics -- e.g., calling the inhabitants of debian-user "Debians". "Thanks, Debians." -dsr-
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On 10/24/2019 02:51 AM, David wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User wrote: Guys, [...] Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. Hi, I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood as excluding valued members of this community. Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them choose between doing that or feeling excluded. I first heard some young women use the word "guys" for a group of themselves back around 1956. So it's not a neologism! --doug
Re: The state of IPSec in Debian
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 02:01:25PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > StrongSwan used to be the best supported, but LibreSwan is now. > Things change. Thanks! This is the kind of information I was hoping for. > If you need solid VPN support and control all the endpoints, > Wireguard may be an even better choice -- if for no other reason > than debugging is much, much simpler. IPsec would be great if > it weren't for the need to debug connections... Yes, very much so, but unfortunately I do not have control of the opposite endpoint. I absolutely love Wireguard, it is by magnitudes simpler, without missing anything important to me. Thanks! /ralph -- - https://aisg.at ausserirdische sind gesund
Re: The state of IPSec in Debian
Ralph Aichinger wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 05:32:51PM +0200, deb...@jherrero.org wrote: > > El jue, 24-10-2019 a las 16:27 +0200, Ralph Aichinger escribió: > > > Or am I completely wrong and should I use some other implementation? > > > > from > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#noteworthy-obsolete-packages > > > | Users are encouraged to migrate to libreswan, which has broader > > | protocol compatibility and is being actively maintained upstream. > > Thanks! > > This could be interpreted as: Who uses these obsoleted packages > is best served with libreswan, but does this also hold for new > installations starting from scratch with buster? > > I have e.g. looked at popcon stats and unless I am missing something > StrongSwan is much more popular than LibreSwan. Or did I overlook > something? > > LibreSwan has some RedHat backing(?), is there some kind of pull > towards LibreSwan from StrongSwan? StrongSwan used to be the best supported, but LibreSwan is now. Things change. If you need solid VPN support and control all the endpoints, Wireguard may be an even better choice -- if for no other reason than debugging is much, much simpler. IPsec would be great if it weren't for the need to debug connections... -dsr-
Re: Hiding apps
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:54 PM Peter Ehlert wrote: > On 10/24/19 8:38 AM, Frank McCormick wrote: > > > > I am running Debian Sid with Mate. I would like to run tzclock at > > startup, but it appears in the taskbar as a regular program. > I am not familiar with tzclock ... I don't believe it is the same as the > clock in the Mate panel. I'm curious: Why did you then answer, for a completely different program? > > Is there a way to hide it from the taskbar ? > The clock in the Mate panel can be removed by right clicking on it. > First "unlock" and then select. "remove from panel" Ok, but this would remove the clock. The user wants a clock. A specific clock, even.
Re: Firefox Seems to Have a Mind of It's Own
On 10/24/19 9:14 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > Firefox Quantum 70.0(64-bit) on Buster Wants > > The browser always to use Bing for searches even though I've removed it > from the list of search engines and selected Google as the default.. > > Has anyone else noticed this behavior? No. Mine is set to DDG, and always goes there. You might grep the Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird folder(s) for 'Bing' and try replacing that with something civilized. (Copying the folder to .saf first, in case it trashes your browser...) Or maybe listen to others on this list who know what they're doing. -- Glenn English
Re: Hiding apps
On 10/24/19 8:38 AM, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running Debian Sid with Mate. I would like to run tzclock at startup, but it appears in the taskbar as a regular program. I am not familiar with tzclock ... I don't believe it is the same as the clock in the Mate panel. Is there a way to hide it from the taskbar ? The clock in the Mate panel can be removed by right clicking on it. First "unlock" and then select. "remove from panel"
Re: buster, ekiga.
From: Robin Krahl , Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:12:58 +0200 > Ekiga has been removed as the last upstream release was in 2013, see: > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ekiga > https://tracker.debian.org/news/1004860/removed-401-9-from-unstable/ > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911593 > Most likely it wont come back to Debian. You might want to have a > look > at alternatives, for example empathy. OK, thanks. Empathy is installed in Debian 10 here but still fails to recognize the contact list. Also https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Empathy has this sentence. "Empathy is currently no longer in development (see also Attic/Unmaintained)." In gnome-contacts-l...@gnome.org was a comment that Empathy is being removed from GNOME but I can't offer a reference for that. gnome-contacts-list is no longer listed in https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo . Conclusion: no VoIP application is working in Debian 10 here. New information is welcome of course. Regards, ... Peter E. -- https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Medical_Machines Tel: +1 604 670 0140Bcc: peter at easthope. ca
Re: Buster's VDR plugin epgsearch is broken.
On 21.10.2019 22.01, Brian wrote: > On Mon 21 Oct 2019 at 19:03:54 +0300, Jari Fredriksson wrote: > >> The fixed release is in Debian testing. Will we ever get it backported to >> Buster? The plugin crashes VDR when it finds a conflict in the timers. VDR >> in Buster is unusable with this plugin and my use case requires the plugin. >> >> What is Debian policy about this kind of incidents? Should I get the source >> package and patch and build it myself, or will it get ever patched to >> Buster? >> >> I had a self build VDR 2.2.0 in Jessie-Stretch but now decided to go with >> the stock version with a fresh Buster setup. >> >> What a misery. > A recourse is to file a wishlist bug asking for a backport. > Ok, thanks! Will do that.
Re: The state of IPSec in Debian
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 05:32:51PM +0200, deb...@jherrero.org wrote: > El jue, 24-10-2019 a las 16:27 +0200, Ralph Aichinger escribió: > > Or am I completely wrong and should I use some other implementation? > > from > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#noteworthy-obsolete-packages > | Users are encouraged to migrate to libreswan, which has broader > | protocol compatibility and is being actively maintained upstream. Thanks! This could be interpreted as: Who uses these obsoleted packages is best served with libreswan, but does this also hold for new installations starting from scratch with buster? I have e.g. looked at popcon stats and unless I am missing something StrongSwan is much more popular than LibreSwan. Or did I overlook something? LibreSwan has some RedHat backing(?), is there some kind of pull towards LibreSwan from StrongSwan? /ralph -- - https://aisg.at ausserirdische sind gesund
debian buster predeeding with error: no root filesystem defined
Hi, Trying to create custom lvm preseeding partitions, but it just fails with no root filesystem defined. any clues? Using this guide: https://secopsmonkey.com/custom-partioning-using-preseed.html Eero
Re: The state of IPSec in Debian
El jue, 24-10-2019 a las 16:27 +0200, Ralph Aichinger escribió: > Or am I completely wrong and should I use some other implementation? from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#noteworthy-obsolete-packages --8<- ipsec-tools and racoon have been removed from buster as their source has been lagging behind in adapting to new threats. Users are encouraged to migrate to libreswan, which has broader protocol compatibility and is being actively maintained upstream. libreswan should be fully compatible in terms of communication protocols since it implements a superset of racoon's supported protocols. -->8---
Hiding apps
I am running Debian Sid with Mate. I would like to run tzclock at startup, but it appears in the taskbar as a regular program. Is there a way to hide it from the taskbar ? -- Frank McCormick
Firefox Seems to Have a Mind of It's Own
Firefox Quantum 70.0(64-bit) on Buster Wants The browser always to use Bing for searches even though I've removed it from the list of search engines and selected Google as the default.. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. www.molecular-modeling.net 614.312.7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
The state of IPSec in Debian
Hi! I am not a completely unexperienced user of Debian, but sometimes certain subsystems and choices still puzzle me. Right now this is IPSec. There used to be several implementations, but am I right that the only sensible one right now is Strongswan? https://wiki.debian.org/IPsec goes on about the "experimental" Linux 2.5 series and "now that Sarge is released", i.e. is woefully out of date, so much that I would call it confusing. Is there some more recent documentation on setting up an ipsec tunnel on Debian in 2019 (and not in 2009 ;) or should I just go by the StrongSwan docs, e.g. https://www.strongswan.org/testing/testresults/swanctl/net2net-psk/ ? Strongswan seems to have two configuration systems, the "deprecated" stroke plugin with ipsec.conf and the "preferred" vici plugin with "swanctl.conf". Should I use the "deprecated" stuff with Debian nevertheless? Or am I completely wrong and should I use some other implementation? TIA /ralph -- - https://aisg.at ausserirdische sind gesund
What every programmer should know about memory, in 2019?
Hello, Ulrich Drepper's piece on on-chip memory architectures is a fantastic read, and I recently had the chance to revisit it -- https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf I am writing to ask more knowledgeable folks if the last 13 years have seen sufficient changes that render parts of this out of date or misleading on 2019 hardware. Cheers! -- Boyan Penkov
Re: tri des messages - thunderbird
plusieurs groupes pour un message. Sais-tu me dire le pourquoi? non. L'avais-tu déjà remarqué? jamais. Très bonne journée, ah bah merci ;) f.
Re: tri des messages - thunderbird
On 10/24/19 2:03 PM, fab wrote: 'lut, sur thunderbird, clique sur le petit icone "afficher les fils de discussion" cf PJ. Et tu verras ton fil entier. cela arrive souvent si je ne me trompe pas quand je supprime le message d'origine -- Frédéric ROBERT
Re: tri des messages - thunderbird
On 10/24/19 2:03 PM, fab wrote: 'lut, sur thunderbird, clique sur le petit icone "afficher les fils de discussion" cf PJ. Et tu verras ton fil entier. cela semble être bon, merci. J'avais déjà configuré dans View > Sort by > Date > Ascending > threaded et le petit signe pour afficher le fils de discussion mais le fils de discussion était parfois séparés en plusieurs groupes pour un message. Sais-tu me dire le pourquoi? L'avais-tu déjà remarqué? Très bonne journée, -- Frédéric ROBERT
Re: tri des messages - thunderbird
'lut, sur thunderbird, clique sur le petit icone "afficher les fils de discussion" cf PJ. Et tu verras ton fil entier. a+ f. Le 24/10/2019 à 15:59, Frederic Robert a écrit : Bonjour, Comment allez-vous? J'utilise thunderbird pour lire mes e-mails. Ils sont triés par Date > Ascending > Threaded. Je remarque que par exemple le sujet que j'avais crée "faire une sauvegarde de son home" se retrouve découpé en deux parties. Je ne sais pas si je m'explique correctement. Est-ce pareil chez vous? Très bonne journée,
tri des messages - thunderbird
Bonjour, Comment allez-vous? J'utilise thunderbird pour lire mes e-mails. Ils sont triés par Date > Ascending > Threaded. Je remarque que par exemple le sujet que j'avais crée "faire une sauvegarde de son home" se retrouve découpé en deux parties. Je ne sais pas si je m'explique correctement. Est-ce pareil chez vous? Très bonne journée, -- Frederic Robert
Re: Questions de débutant sur un annuaire LDAP
En effet, ça a l'air assez complet. Merci de l'info Le mer. 23 oct. 2019 à 19:27, ajh-valmer a écrit : > On Wednesday 23 October 2019 18:06:26 Olivier wrote: > > 1. Pourriez-vous me conseiller un annuaire LDAP avec les propriétés > > suivantes: > > - empaqueté dans Stretch et Buster > > - adapté pour gérer une liste de 1000 contacts commerciaux ou de > > collaborateurs > > - l'ajout, la modification ou la suppression des contacts peut s'opérer > via > > une appli web accessible à des non-informaticiens > > - chaque contact possède plusieurs "champs téléphoniques" (le numéro de > > ligne directe, le numéro de poste interne, le numéro mobile). > > 2. Supposons que je veuille que chaque contact de mon annuaire ait un > > champs Toto. > > Quel annuaire me permet de pouvoir étendre à la fois le schéma des > données > > conservées et l'appli d'édition des données ? > > > LDAP-Studio (ldap en mode graphique) pourrait t'aider. > > https://directory.apache.org/studio/ > > A. Valmer > >
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
>> Voilà, tu vas devenir le champion de la sauvegarde :-) > > Merci :) cp source destination # Conserver les attributs autant que possible. # -a # --archive # Effectuer des sauvegardes des fichiers sur le point d'être écrasés. (?) # -b # --backup # Si le fichier est un lien symbolique, copier le lien lui-même plutôt que le fichier sur lequel il pointe. # -d # --nodereference # Forcer la suppression des fichiers cibles. # -f # --force # Dans le cas où TARGET est un fichier existant, demandez à l'utilisateur avant de le supprimer. (?) # -i # --interactive # Créer un lien physique au lieu de copier le fichier. # -l, # --link # Préserver le propriétaire, le groupe, les autorisations et l'horodatage du fichier d'origine. # -p # --preserve # Conserver le chemin du répertoire. -P, --parents # Copier récursivement tous les sous-répertoires disponibles. # -r # -R, --recursive # Dans le cas où un fichier est fragmenté, traiter la séquence fragmentée comme indiqué. Auto, toujours ou jamais. # --sparse # Créer des liens symboliques au lieu de copies réelles. # -s # --symbolic-link # Dans le cas où le fichier cible existe déjà et à une heure de mise à jour plus récente que la source, ne pas faire la copie. # -u # --update # Mode verbeux. # -v # --verbose Et, un lien complémentaire : https://wiki.visionduweb.fr/index.php?title=Sauvegarder_et_reinstaller_Linux
Re: GRUB not applying Intel Microcode?
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16:00PM -0400, Christopher David Howie wrote: > On 10/23/2019 9:16 PM, Kyle K wrote: > > In my grub.cfg I don't see anything that resembles "initrd > > /intel-ucode.img /initrd.img-4.19.0-6-amd64". > > On Debian, microcode updates are embedded in the main initrd, not put in > a secondary initrd. > > The /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/intel_microcode script is > responsible for adding the appropriate update files, scripts, and tools > to the initrd. > > > 1. Is microcode getting applied? > > If you have this package installed and have rebooted since the last > microcode update, then almost certainly. You can also verify the presence of the files in the initramfs image: wooledg:~$ lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-6-amd64 | head kernel kernel/x86 kernel/x86/microcode kernel/x86/microcode/.enuineIntel.align.0123456789abc kernel/x86/microcode/GenuineIntel.bin . bin conf conf/arch.conf conf/conf.d
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
Or all.
Have a nice day, afternoon, night.
*Sorry for poor english grammar.
Em qui, 24 de out de 2019 às 04:23, Thomas Schmitt
escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > [...] I use the formula "folks".
>
> How about "peoplers" ?
>
> "Popplers Are Peoplers Too !" - Futurama
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>
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Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
Le 24/10/2019 à 13:10, ajh.val...@free.fr a écrit : [ . . . ] > > L'option --delete, avec circonspection, > elle effacera sur la cible tout ce qui a été effacé sur la source. > Bien réfléchir avant, c'est à dire partir d'une source > bien établie avant la sauvegarde (fichiers devenus inutiles). > Sans l'option --delete, au fond rien à craindre, aucun risque. > On peut aussi utiliser --delete avec une option pour sauvegarder les fichiers effacé dans un autre répertoire: rsync -Hauro --delete --backup --backup-dir=/mnt/Poubelle /home/toto /media/cleUsb Ainsi, les fichiers effacés seront regroupés dans /mnt/Poubelle, mais pas sur la clé USB.
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
On 10/24/19 11:05 AM, ajh.val...@free.fr wrote: Voilà, tu vas devenir le champion de la sauvegarde :-) Merci :) -- Frederic Robert
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
Le jeu. 24 oct. 2019 13:05, a écrit : > On Thursday 24 October 2019 10:30:25 Frederic Robert wrote: > > j'ai formaté la clé ext3 et j'ai réussi à copier l'ensemble de mon home > > sur la clé usb. J'ai ajouté certains fichiers sur le disque et rsync à > > nouveau et cela fonctionne bien. Est-ce conseillé d'ajouter --delete à > > la ligne de commande? Et si je veux consulté certains fichiers de cette > > clé sur windows, est-ce que je dois copier les fichiers sur une autre > > clé pour windows uniquement? J'ai encore beaucoup de questions sur le > > sujet des sauvegardes. > > > tu l'as dis. Ce n'est pas facile et je semble perdu dans le sujet. Je > > cherche une solution car parfois j'aurais besoin de lire certains > > fichiers de la clé ou d'un disque dur usb sur une machine windows. > > Est-ce que je dois avoir une clé uniquement pour windows et une clé pour > > ma distribution Gnu/Linux car comme vu dans les messages précédents fat > > si j'ai bien compris ne gère pas les liens symboliques par exemple. J'ai > > entendu aussi parlé de NAS. Comme dit je suis perdu totalement car comme > > j'ai déjà expliqué dans le passé j'ai appris à utilisé mon ordinateur > > avec une distribution Gnu/Linux sans vraiment approfondir la > > connaissance et maintenant je dois aussi aider des utilisateurs windows > > je me dois de connaître les deux o.s > > Pas d'angoisse, rien à craindre, tant que l'on fait au moins > 2 sauvegardes (2 sécurités + la source). > > L'option --delete, avec circonspection, > elle effacera sur la cible tout ce qui a été effacé sur la source. > Bien réfléchir avant, c'est à dire partir d'une source > bien établie avant la sauvegarde (fichiers devenus inutiles). > Sans l'option --delete, au fond rien à craindre, aucun risque. > > Le plus simple, la clé USB doit être formatée en FAT32, > car read/write par Windows et Linux. > Mais il vaut quand même le coup de faire une sauvegarde à part sur un fs type ext si on ne veut pas perdre les droits Linux des dossiers et fichiers, et les liens, qui n'existent pas en fat32. D'où l'intérêt à mon avis de séparer les fonctions sauvegarde et synchronisation. > Sinon passer par ntfs-3g dans le fichier /etc/fstab, > si clé USB en système NTFS. > Si formatage clé EXT4, Windows ne saura la lire. > > Voilà, tu vas devenir le champion de la sauvegarde :-) > Éric Dégenètais
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
On Thursday 24 October 2019 10:30:25 Frederic Robert wrote: > j'ai formaté la clé ext3 et j'ai réussi à copier l'ensemble de mon home > sur la clé usb. J'ai ajouté certains fichiers sur le disque et rsync à > nouveau et cela fonctionne bien. Est-ce conseillé d'ajouter --delete à > la ligne de commande? Et si je veux consulté certains fichiers de cette > clé sur windows, est-ce que je dois copier les fichiers sur une autre > clé pour windows uniquement? J'ai encore beaucoup de questions sur le > sujet des sauvegardes. > tu l'as dis. Ce n'est pas facile et je semble perdu dans le sujet. Je > cherche une solution car parfois j'aurais besoin de lire certains > fichiers de la clé ou d'un disque dur usb sur une machine windows. > Est-ce que je dois avoir une clé uniquement pour windows et une clé pour > ma distribution Gnu/Linux car comme vu dans les messages précédents fat > si j'ai bien compris ne gère pas les liens symboliques par exemple. J'ai > entendu aussi parlé de NAS. Comme dit je suis perdu totalement car comme > j'ai déjà expliqué dans le passé j'ai appris à utilisé mon ordinateur > avec une distribution Gnu/Linux sans vraiment approfondir la > connaissance et maintenant je dois aussi aider des utilisateurs windows > je me dois de connaître les deux o.s Pas d'angoisse, rien à craindre, tant que l'on fait au moins 2 sauvegardes (2 sécurités + la source). L'option --delete, avec circonspection, elle effacera sur la cible tout ce qui a été effacé sur la source. Bien réfléchir avant, c'est à dire partir d'une source bien établie avant la sauvegarde (fichiers devenus inutiles). Sans l'option --delete, au fond rien à craindre, aucun risque. Le plus simple, la clé USB doit être formatée en FAT32, car read/write par Windows et Linux. Sinon passer par ntfs-3g dans le fichier /etc/fstab, si clé USB en système NTFS. Si formatage clé EXT4, Windows ne saura la lire. Voilà, tu vas devenir le champion de la sauvegarde :-)
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
On 10/24/19 8:41 AM, fab wrote: 'lut, nouveau et cela fonctionne bien. Est-ce conseillé d'ajouter --delete à la ligne de commande? Tout dépend de ce que tu veux. l'option delete supprimera de ta clé un fichier que tu as supprimer dans ton home. En gros, si tu supprimes un fichier par erreur, la suppression sera aussi répercutée sur ta clé. man rsync Et si je veux consulté certains fichiers de cette clé sur windows, alors, dans ce cas, il ne faut pas formater en ext3 mais plutôt en fat32 j'ai encore beaucoup de questions sur le sujet des sauvegardes amha, tu devrais te faire quelques lectures sur les différences entre sauvegarde et archivage, ce qui n'est pas la même chose. a+ f. Merci à tous pour vos informations, Très bonne journée, -- Frederic Robert
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On 2019-10-24 08:47, Joe wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:51:30 +1100 David wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User wrote: > >> > > Guys, [...] > > Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. Hi, I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood as excluding valued members of this community. Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them choose between doing that or feeling excluded. Oh come on, forty years ago, 'guys' was being applied indiscriminately to males and females (there wasn't anything else then) in the USA. Women used it when referring to groups of other women. to be fair calling a bunch of hairy bikers "girls" might not be well received. mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
Le jeu. 24 oct. 2019 10:30, Frederic Robert a écrit : > On 10/23/19 8:43 AM, ajh-valmer wrote: > > > cp est à éviter. > > > > rsync -avz /home// /media/cleusb/ > > ou > > rsync -avz /home/ /media/cleusb/ > > > > devrait faire mieux l'affaire. > > Bonjour ajh-valmer et à la liste, > > j'ai formaté la clé ext3 et j'ai réussi à copier l'ensemble de mon home > sur la clé usb. J'ai ajouté certains fichiers sur le disque et rsync à > nouveau et cela fonctionne bien. Est-ce conseillé d'ajouter --delete à > la ligne de commande? Non, pour les raisons précédemment expliquées. Si vous vous contentez de mettre à jour une sauvegarde unique cette option vous priverait de protection contre les effacements accidentels. > Et si je veux consulté certains fichiers de cette > clé sur windows, est-ce que je dois copier les fichiers sur une autre > clé pour windows uniquement? Windows étant ce qu'il est, oui... De toutes façons il est déconseillé d'utiliser les sauvegardes en dehors des mises à jour et des restaurations : toute autre manipulation expose la sauvegarde à des accidents. > J'ai encore beaucoup de questions sur le > sujet des sauvegardes Attention à ne pas tout confondre : sauvegarder et synchroniser ou distribuer des fichiers sont des activités différentes. En esseyant de tout faire en même temps vous rendez la sauvegarde moins sûre. > > > Très bonne journée, > > -- > Frederic Robert > >
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
On 10/23/19 6:22 PM, ajh.val...@free.fr wrote: La sauvegarde est une science, à ne pas mettre entre toutes les mains :-) tu l'as dis. Ce n'est pas facile et je semble perdu dans le sujet. Je cherche une solution car parfois j'aurais besoin de lire certains fichiers de la clé ou d'un disque dur usb sur une machine windows. Est-ce que je dois avoir une clé uniquement pour windows et une clé pour ma distribution Gnu/Linux car comme vu dans les messages précédents fat si j'ai bien compris ne gère pas les liens symboliques par exemple. J'ai entendu aussi parlé de NAS. Comme dit je suis perdu totalement car comme j'ai déjà expliqué dans le passé j'ai appris à utilisé mon ordinateur avec une distribution Gnu/Linux sans vraiment approfondir la connaissance et maintenant je dois aussi aider des utilisateurs windows je me dois de connaître les deux o.s Très bonne journée, -- Frederic Robert
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
'lut, nouveau et cela fonctionne bien. Est-ce conseillé d'ajouter --delete à la ligne de commande? Tout dépend de ce que tu veux. l'option delete supprimera de ta clé un fichier que tu as supprimer dans ton home. En gros, si tu supprimes un fichier par erreur, la suppression sera aussi répercutée sur ta clé. man rsync Et si je veux consulté certains fichiers de cette clé sur windows, alors, dans ce cas, il ne faut pas formater en ext3 mais plutôt en fat32 j'ai encore beaucoup de questions sur le sujet des sauvegardes amha, tu devrais te faire quelques lectures sur les différences entre sauvegarde et archivage, ce qui n'est pas la même chose. a+ f.
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:23:30AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] I use the formula "folks". > > How about "peoplers" ? Thanks for this one :) I think that some diversity on approaches can only help here. We're trying to solve a complex problem. As we all know from genetic programming, simulated annealing and their ilk, keeping a healthy population in the solution space is of utmost importance. Also, some sense of humour. You provide both :) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: faire une sauvegarde de son home
On 10/23/19 8:43 AM, ajh-valmer wrote: cp est à éviter. rsync -avz /home// /media/cleusb/ ou rsync -avz /home/ /media/cleusb/ devrait faire mieux l'affaire. Bonjour ajh-valmer et à la liste, j'ai formaté la clé ext3 et j'ai réussi à copier l'ensemble de mon home sur la clé usb. J'ai ajouté certains fichiers sur le disque et rsync à nouveau et cela fonctionne bien. Est-ce conseillé d'ajouter --delete à la ligne de commande? Et si je veux consulté certains fichiers de cette clé sur windows, est-ce que je dois copier les fichiers sur une autre clé pour windows uniquement? J'ai encore beaucoup de questions sur le sujet des sauvegardes Très bonne journée, -- Frederic Robert
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
Hi, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [...] I use the formula "folks". How about "peoplers" ? "Popplers Are Peoplers Too !" - Futurama Have a nice day :) Thomas
Debian 10: enable counting in faillog
Hello! I try to enable faillog at Debian 10. Till now it is installed but does not count failed logins. As far I found out I need to adjust some pam-files in /etc to enable it. I read about pam_tally, pam_tally2, auth_common, system-auth, ... So I think they are more or less do all the same but the files are different regarding the Linux distribution and version. Can anyone tell me what to set exactly for Debian 10? I do not want do lock/block users. I only want the failed-login counted. Thanks!
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 08:47:22AM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:51:30 +1100 > David wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > Guys, [...] > > > > > > Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. > > > > Hi, > > I'm sure you don't intend to offend [...] > Oh come on, forty years ago, 'guys' was being applied indiscriminately > to males and females (there wasn't anything else then) in the USA. > Women used it when referring to groups of other women. Some (yes, I've heard it too), some not. Whatever. I think what matters is (a) to accept that there may be different standpoints on that (I miss that from you two, BTW) and (b) to try to think for oneself. For me (and that's for me, only!) this thinking led to "well, OK, I can imagine, that depending on context and cultural background, some woman might perceive 'guys' as exclusive". From then on, I use the formula "folks". What's the solution for you? You find out! But be open. To Joe, for example: not all the world is the USA. For David, for example: have you thought of taking the issue off-list? Perhaps that would have been less offending to the OP and less of a flame war risk? Whatever. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:51:30 +1100 David wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User > wrote: > > > >> > > Guys, [...] > > > > Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. > > Hi, > I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try > to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood > as excluding valued members of this community. > > Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a > gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves > as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them > choose between doing that or feeling excluded. > Oh come on, forty years ago, 'guys' was being applied indiscriminately to males and females (there wasn't anything else then) in the USA. Women used it when referring to groups of other women. -- Joe
Re: [OT] replacement for SystemRescueCD
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:44, Default User wrote: > >> > > Guys, [...] > > Guys, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I will do yet. Hi, I'm sure you don't intend to offend, but in future please try to choose words that cannot accidentally be understood as excluding valued members of this community. Even though in some situations "guys" is claimed to be a gender-neutral word, I doubt that everyone thinks of themselves as a "guy". And it will be polite to those people to not make them choose between doing that or feeling excluded.
