Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra'ti]

The PHP issues were primarily involved with Wordpress plugins. I had to go 
through and find several that were not compatible with PHP 7. I _think_ I found 
and fixed all of those, but it’s certainly possible that the issue might be 
caused by a bad plugin.

But I don’t know for sure. I’ve tried digging through Apache’s error.log and 
have not found any more obvious error messages to point me at things that need 
fixing.

I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling PHP, on the theory that I may have 
confused it by making the jump not only through multiple versions of Debian, 
but also multiple versions of PHP. And yes, I have the PHP mod active in 
Apache. 

Re: getting a core dump… that’s the part I need help with. I did get the 
debugger installed but I am not experienced with how to use it in a way that’d 
let me actually get useful data. 

The big blocking problem would seem to be that I don’t actually know what’s 
causing the problem, so I can’t trigger it on purpose. So it would seem that 
I’d need to run Apache with the debugger somehow in the hope that I’d actually 
catch the problem when it happens? But I don’t know how to do that either.

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 9:12 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I'd look first into that PHP part (I'm assuming you're running
> mod_php, so it's in the Apache binary, and a crash in PHP would
> crash the server, too).
> 
> Which kind of problems did you have with PHP?
> 
> Any possibility of getting a core dump you can look into with
> the debugger?
> 
> (Sorry for not looking at your web site -- bad connectivity
> at the moment),
> 
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[tomas]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:38:18PM -0800, Angela Korra'ti wrote:
> Yes we did, we did the upgrade in two distinct stages.
> We did run into roadblocks as we went, but those were
> mostly around PHP incompatibilities that we had to
> address to bring our sites back up.

I'd look first into that PHP part (I'm assuming you're running
mod_php, so it's in the Apache binary, and a crash in PHP would
crash the server, too).

Which kind of problems did you have with PHP?

Any possibility of getting a core dump you can look into with
the debugger?

(Sorry for not looking at your web site -- bad connectivity
at the moment),

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra'ti]

P.S. Confirmed that systemctl reload apache2.service throws no errors.

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Angela Korra'ti  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes we did, we did the upgrade in two distinct stages. We did run into 
> roadblocks as we went, but those were mostly around PHP incompatibilities 
> that we had to address to bring our sites back up.
> 
> I’m _pretty_ sure we don’t have any config incompatibilities in Apache… 
> because yeah, Apache does in fact run. But I’ll doublecheck if the reload 
> command you’re asking about throws any actual errors.
> 
> And perhaps a config inspection of our Apache install is called for. We’ve 
> got not only the main config file, but several supplementary ones for the 
> various domains we host as well.
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Dan Ritter  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you upgrade to 9 in between? 
>> 
>> 8 had apache 2.2, and a bunch of config things changed from 2.2
>> to 2.4.  That usually shows up in apache failing to start,
>> though.
>> 
>> Does 
>> 
>> systemctl reload apache2.service
>> 
>> cause an error?
>> 
>> Worst case: if things are massively unstable, you might copy all the
>> data off elsewhere, re-install Debian 10 from scratch, and then bring
>> the data back in.
>> 
>> -dsr-
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.
>>   there is no justice, there is just us.
> 

Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra'ti]

Yes we did, we did the upgrade in two distinct stages. We did run into 
roadblocks as we went, but those were mostly around PHP incompatibilities that 
we had to address to bring our sites back up.

I’m _pretty_ sure we don’t have any config incompatibilities in Apache… because 
yeah, Apache does in fact run. But I’ll doublecheck if the reload command 
you’re asking about throws any actual errors.

And perhaps a config inspection of our Apache install is called for. We’ve got 
not only the main config file, but several supplementary ones for the various 
domains we host as well.

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> 
> Did you upgrade to 9 in between? 
> 
> 8 had apache 2.2, and a bunch of config things changed from 2.2
> to 2.4.  That usually shows up in apache failing to start,
> though.
> 
> Does 
> 
> systemctl reload apache2.service
> 
> cause an error?
> 
> Worst case: if things are massively unstable, you might copy all the
> data off elsewhere, re-install Debian 10 from scratch, and then bring
> the data back in.
> 
> -dsr-
> 
> 
> -- 
> https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.
>there is no justice, there is just us.

Re: only for debian?

[Ralph Katz]

On 1/17/20 7:29 PM, Ralph Katz wrote:
> On 1/17/20 6:54 PM, kaye n wrote:

...
>> I'm asking because I can't find what I'm looking for elsewhere. It's
>> about VLC player.

I missed that in my earlier reply!  So I'd refer you to:

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#Can_I_ask_a_question_about_foo.3F

Can I ask a question about foo?

Don't ask to ask, just go ahead and post your question, but see also the
question about offtopic.

Regards,
Ralph



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Re: Graphical indicators for Caps Lock and similar keys

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 20:55 Jape Person  wrote:

> On 1/17/20 7:27 PM, Tom Browder wrote:
> > Is there any way to get a graphical indicator on a docking bar to show
> > their status?
> >
> I don't know whether or not gkrellm-leds would work for you.


That looks like a good possibility, thanks, Jape!

-Tom

Re: Graphical indicators for Caps Lock and similar keys

[Jape Person]

On 1/17/20 7:27 PM, Tom Browder wrote:

I have a laptop, running Debian 10 (Buste) with the Mate desktop.

Unfortunately the laptop doesn't have light indicators on the keyboard for
keys such as: CapLock, NumLock, Insert, etc.

Is there any way to get a graphical indicator on a docking bar to show
their status?

Thanks,

-Tom

I don't know whether or not gkrellm-leds would work for you. Last time I tried it I found it to look 
at little out of place on my Xfce4 desktop, but it did perform some of the functions you're looking 
for. (I don't think it had an insert indicator, but my memory could be wonky.)

Re: only for debian?

[Ralph Katz]

On 1/17/20 6:54 PM, kaye n wrote:
> Hello guys, I just want to ask if this email list is strictly for
> Debian? Or can one ask just about anything as long as it's related to
> GNU/Linux, free software, etc?
> 
> I'm asking because I can't find what I'm looking for elsewhere. It's
> about VLC player.
> 
> No worries if this is for Debian only.
> 
> Thank you!

Thanks for asking, kaye n.

Quoting from below links:

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

The mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Debian.
Non-constructive or off-topic messages, along with other abuses, are not
welcome.

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-offtopic

Generally anything that has no relation to Debian is offtopic on
debian-user. If you really, really want to post about it:

consider posting to the offtopic list instead

do mention [OT] in the subject so that subscribers not interested
can ignore your message


Regards,
Ralph



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Re: only for debian?

[황병희]

> It's about VLC player.

Both Debian and Ubuntu have VLC player as package so your concern is no
off-topic. By the way i don't use VLC player soorry ;;; 

Sincerely, off-topic guy Byung-Hee

-- 
^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

only for debian?

[kaye n]

Hello guys, I just want to ask if this email list is strictly for Debian?
Or can one ask just about anything as long as it's related to GNU/Linux,
free software, etc?

I'm asking because I can't find what I'm looking for elsewhere. It's about
VLC player.

No worries if this is for Debian only.

Thank you!

Re: Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Dan Ritter]

Angela Korra???ti wrote: 
> However, as of when we updated to Debian 10.2, we started having recurring 
> issues with Apache throwing segmentation faults that resulted in all 
> PHP-based sites (notably, the Wordpress ones) throwing 503 errors from 
> varnish.
> 
> https://angelahighland.info/2020/01/12/need-help-with-debian-web-server-debugging/
> 
> To what I wrote in that post, I can add that we???ve also kept the server up 
> to date with security and other updates, and it???s been rebooted a couple of 
> times since the big upgrade to Debian 10. (We were previously on version 8.)

Did you upgrade to 9 in between? 

8 had apache 2.2, and a bunch of config things changed from 2.2
to 2.4.  That usually shows up in apache failing to start,
though.

Does 

systemctl reload apache2.service

cause an error?

Worst case: if things are massively unstable, you might copy all the
data off elsewhere, re-install Debian 10 from scratch, and then bring
the data back in.

-dsr-


-- 
https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.
there is no justice, there is just us.

Graphical indicators for Caps Lock and similar keys

[Tom Browder]

I have a laptop, running Debian 10 (Buste) with the Mate desktop.

Unfortunately the laptop doesn't have light indicators on the keyboard for
keys such as: CapLock, NumLock, Insert, etc.

Is there any way to get a graphical indicator on a docking bar to show
their status?

Thanks,

-Tom

Need help with debugging Apache on Debian 10.2

[Angela Korra’ti]

Hi Debian users list,

My name is Angela and I run Debian 10.2 on my home web server. On that server, 
my wife and I are hosting several Wordpress sites as well as a small number of 
non-Wordpress ones.

However, as of when we updated to Debian 10.2, we started having recurring 
issues with Apache throwing segmentation faults that resulted in all PHP-based 
sites (notably, the Wordpress ones) throwing 503 errors from varnish.

And I am at my wit’s end as to how to fix this problem, because I do not have 
enough debugging experience with a Linux environment to know how to proceed.

I have written up the problem in detail here:

https://angelahighland.info/2020/01/12/need-help-with-debian-web-server-debugging/

That post (which is external to my home web server, since my home web server is 
unstable) includes:

* Behavior observed when the seg fault occurs
* What I’ve done to try to fix the problem so far
* Details on what we have installed on the system at this time

To what I wrote in that post, I can add that we’ve also kept the server up to 
date with security and other updates, and it’s been rebooted a couple of times 
since the big upgrade to Debian 10. (We were previously on version 8.)

Can anyone advise on best steps to get enough information to diagnose the 
problem? As I said in my post, I do have gdb and the Apache debug symbols 
package installed, but I don’t have experience with them so I don’t know how to 
effectively _use_ them.

Many thanks in advance to anyone who can assist!

Angela

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Re: Erro: iTCO_wdt iTCO_wdt: can't request region for resource [mem 0x00c5fffc-0x00c5ffff]

[China]

Tá com defeito na mídia física.

Em sex, 17 de jan de 2020 17:07, Junior Stringari 
escreveu:

> Boa tarde.
>
> Ao tentar inicializar pelo live tenho como retorno a mensagem na tela:
> iTCO_wdt iTCO_wdt: can't request region for resource [mem
> 0x00c5fffc-0x00c5]
>
> E o debian não inicia.
>
> Em seguida vai para a tela:
> hdaudio hdaudioCOD2: Unable to bind the codec
>
>
>
>
> Placa mãe: Gigabyte C246M-WU4
> Processador: Intel Core I7 9TH GEN i7-9700 LGA1151
>
>
>
> Att
> Junior
>
>

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

songbird wrote:
>  ata-ASUS_DVD-E818AAT_a
> it will sit there with the tray open all day

A DVD-ROM drive of 2007.


> when booting up it closes it.

Gene Heskett wrote:
> When the bios needs to know if it is supposed to boot from a cd, since it
> can, it has to close the tray and see if theres a cd/dvd there to read.

It seems to be the drives' firmware which as first decides to pull in on
power-up.

I made a little experiment with my ASUS BW-16D1HT which sits in an USB box.
Tray out, power off, data cable off, power on: Immediately pulls the tray.
The computer's firmware has no say in this setup.
At most the firmware of the USB-SATA bridge in the box could talk to the
drive. But i assume that it has no knowledge about DVD drive trays.

Even if the drive firmware would keep the tray out, any read attempts by
the computer firmware would probably cause an automatic pull-in.
It might be, though, that the computer firmware inquires the drive state,
learns that no medium is loaded, and decides not to try reading from the
drive.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Erro: iTCO_wdt iTCO_wdt: can't request region for resource [mem 0x00c5fffc-0x00c5ffff]

[Junior Stringari]

Boa tarde.

Ao tentar inicializar pelo live tenho como retorno a mensagem na tela:
iTCO_wdt iTCO_wdt: can't request region for resource [mem 
0x00c5fffc-0x00c5]


E o debian não inicia.

Em seguida vai para a tela:
hdaudio hdaudioCOD2: Unable to bind the codec




Placa mãe: Gigabyte C246M-WU4
Processador: Intel Core I7 9TH GEN i7-9700 LGA1151



Att
Junior

Re: Choix du système Debian

[yamo']

Salut,

ajh-valmer a tapoté le 17/01/2020 15:00:
> On Friday 17 January 2020 14:37:46 hamster wrote:
>> Des bureaux comme XFCE ou LXDE sont tout a fait comparables 
>> au niveau consommation de mémoire.
> 
> Je ne peux que conseiller le bureau TDE-Trinity,
> (KDE-3 entièrement remanié),
> léger, convivial, esthétique et très riche.

D'après ce que j'ai vu, il faut un dépôt spécifique :


Je vais tester ça sur un vieil eepc afin de voir si je peux le
conseiller à un cousin qui a un vieux netbook avec windows 7.

Je n'ai jamais été fan de KDE mais je regarderai.



-- 
Stéphane

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 16 January 2020 22:58:03 songbird wrote:

> Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > songbird wrote:
> >>  it will sit there until i do something to it.
> >
> > Which vendor and model ?
> >
> >> i'm not actually sure if it will close when i shut down the system
> >> but i think it will close when i boot up.
> >
> > Closing at power up is normal. I'm not sure whether its the firmware
> > of the drive or of the main board which orders this.
> >
> >>   i hate it when machines do things i don't want them to do.
> >
> > It is a strange feature. If i only could find any tangible
> > description. Best would be to find a (proprietary) SCSI command
> > which disables or enables it.
>
>   ata-ASUS_DVD-E818AAT_a
>
>   i tried things this morning to verify that my intuitions
> above were correct and they were.
>
>   it will sit there with the tray open all day and when i
> shut down the machine.
>
>   when booting up it closes it.

When the bios needs to know if it is supposed to boot from a cd, since it 
can, it has to close the tray and see if theres a cd/dvd there to read. 
100% normal IOW.

>   i have no autorun stuff going on and no polling of
> cdrom/dvd devices that i know of.
>
>
>   songbird  (not sure this will go through with gmane
> change i made today

Seems to have worked just fine.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Genes Web page 

Re: Re : Re: Choix du système Debian

[Frederic Zulian]

Tu cliques sur l'un des liens ci-dessous. Tu récupéres ainsi l'image .iso
Tu graves  le .iso sur un CD et il te suffit de booter sur le CD.

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.2.0-i386-xfce.iso
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.2.0-i386-lxde.iso

Si tu rencontres des difficultés tu postes sur la liste. Il y aura
toujours une ame charitable pour t'aider :-)

PS : Google c'est Mal.  Soutenons l'Europe en utilisant  Qwant.

-
Frédéric ZULIAN

Le ven. 17 janv. 2020 à 15:31, bas...@starynkevitch.net
 a écrit :
>
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2020 15:10 CET, François LE GAD 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Le 17/01/2020 à 12:54, bas...@starynkevitch.net a écrit :
> > es resources informationnelles disponibles sur le Web sont immenses, et
> > notammanet sur la question dont on débat ici même.
>
> Donne-lui des adresses, à la portée des profanes bien sûr.
>
> On utilise un moteur de recherches. Par exemple https://google.com/ ou 
> https://www.exalead.com/
> ensuite, on y tape une succession de mots en rapport avec la question. Par 
> exemple quel linux pour asus EEE
>
>
> On peut aussi utiliser Wikipedia. Par exemple 
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux renvoie en un clic de souris à 
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_distributions_GNU/Linux
>
> Et ma réponse initiale citait LaTeX.
>
> Pour la petite histoire, ma fille Marie (aujourd'hui agée de plus de 33 ans, 
> et agrégée de Russe, aprèes être passée par l'ENS Ulm en lettres classiques) 
> a su taper un document LaTeX à l'âge de 11 ans (si j'ai bonne mémoire, un 
> discours de Malraux). Elle n'a jamais été informaticienne. Elle a juste su 
> lire un bouquin en français sur LaTeX que j'avais acheté à l'époque pour un 
> prix modique.
>
> Librement

Re: Re : Re: Choix du système Debian

[basile]

On Friday, January 17, 2020 15:31 CET, bas...@starynkevitch.net 
 wrote:
  
On Friday, January 17, 2020 15:10 CET, François LE GAD 
 wrote:
 Le 17/01/2020 à 12:54, bas...@starynkevitch.net a écrit :
> es resources informationnelles disponibles sur le Web sont immenses, et
> notammanet sur la question dont on débat ici même.

Donne-lui des adresses, à la portée des profanes bien sûr.On utilise un moteur 
de recherches. Par exemple https://google.com/ ou https://www.exalead.com/
ensuite, on y tape une succession de mots en rapport avec la question. Par 
exemple quel linux pour asus EEE


On peut aussi utiliser Wikipedia. Par exemple 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux renvoie en un clic de souris à 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_distributions_GNU/Linux

Et ma réponse initiale citait LaTeX.

Pour la petite histoire, ma fille Marie (aujourd'hui agée de plus de 33 ans, et 
agrégée de Russe, aprèes être passée par l'ENS Ulm en lettres classiques) a su 
taper un document LaTeX à l'âge de 11 ans (si j'ai bonne mémoire, un discours 
de Malraux). Elle n'a jamais été informaticienne. Elle a juste su lire un 
bouquin en français sur LaTeX que j'avais acheté à l'époque pour un prix 
modique.


On peut en 2020 commander de bon bouquins, écrits en français, sur LaTeX comme 
sur Linux via https://www.lmet.fr/ et bien evidemment à la FNAC, chez Eyrolles, 
etc

On peut googler pour trouver des ressources en français sur LaTeX comme sur 
Linux.

On peut contacter des associations comme APRIL ou AFUL ou Parinux.

On peut surtout trouver facilement un étudiant féru d'informatique, qui, pour 
le prix d'un cours de math, installerait Linux et guiderait sur le choix de la 
distribution Linux à installer.

Librement
--
Basile Starynkevitch (informaticien libriste et fier de l'être)

 

Re: Re : Re: Choix du système Debian

[basile]

On Friday, January 17, 2020 15:10 CET, François LE GAD 
 wrote:
 Le 17/01/2020 à 12:54, bas...@starynkevitch.net a écrit :
> es resources informationnelles disponibles sur le Web sont immenses, et
> notammanet sur la question dont on débat ici même.

Donne-lui des adresses, à la portée des profanes bien sûr.On utilise un moteur 
de recherches. Par exemple https://google.com/ ou https://www.exalead.com/
ensuite, on y tape une succession de mots en rapport avec la question. Par 
exemple quel linux pour asus EEE


On peut aussi utiliser Wikipedia. Par exemple 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux renvoie en un clic de souris à 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_distributions_GNU/Linux

Et ma réponse initiale citait LaTeX.

Pour la petite histoire, ma fille Marie (aujourd'hui agée de plus de 33 ans, et 
agrégée de Russe, aprèes être passée par l'ENS Ulm en lettres classiques) a su 
taper un document LaTeX à l'âge de 11 ans (si j'ai bonne mémoire, un discours 
de Malraux). Elle n'a jamais été informaticienne. Elle a juste su lire un 
bouquin en français sur LaTeX que j'avais acheté à l'époque pour un prix 
modique.

Librement

Re: Re : Re: Choix du système Debian

[François LE GAD]

Le 17/01/2020 à 12:54, bas...@starynkevitch.net a écrit :
es resources informationnelles disponibles sur le Web sont immenses, et 
notammanet sur la question dont on débat ici même.


Donne-lui des adresses, à la portée des profanes bien sûr.

--
François

Re: Choix du système Debian

[François LE GAD]

Le 16/01/2020 à 18:35, d cyrille a écrit :

Pouvez-vous m'orienter pour le choix du système Debian le mieux adapté ?


 Si tu débutes, il vaut mieux choisir une solution simple à mettre en 
œuvre. Le bureau XFCE4, fourni avec un environnement léger, me paraît 
adapté. Je l'ai utilisé sur un Eeepc avec 1 Go de ram.


On pourrait envisager un bureau plus léger, comme LXDE, voire même un 
simple gestionnaire de fenêtre, mais tu n'auras alors aucun 
environnement de bureau. Il te faudra installer un à un tous les 
utilitaires nécessaires.


Rien n'empêche d'utiliser une solution plus légère par la suite, sans 
réinstallation. Il est possible de faire coexister plusieurs bureaux et 
de choisir en fonction de l'humeur du moment.


--
François

Proper way to configure smbspool_krb5_wrapper backend

[Yvan Masson]

Hi list,

I need to configure printing on Debian desktops in an Active Directory 
environment.


I understand I have to use 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/smbspool_krb5_wrapper instead of the 
usual /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb (the former seems broken in stable but I 
hope a fix will come, see 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=948900).


However, I can't figure out the proper way to add this backend to CUPS:
- if I replace /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb with a link to 
smbspool_krb5_wrapper, it will be overridden by a future smbclient 
upgrade (and I can't use "normal" smb backend anymore),
- if I try to add a new backend by creating a link, say 
/usr/lib/cups/backend/smbkrb5, that points at smbspool_krb5_wrapper, it 
is not recognized by "lpinfo -v", even after restarting CUPS.


In your opinion, what is the proper way to use smbspool_krb5_wrapper?

Regards,
Yvan

Re: Choix du système Debian

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original - 

> De: "d cyrille" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Jeudi 16 Janvier 2020 18:35:39
> Objet: Choix du système Debian

> Bonjour,

> Je possède un Eeepc Asus 1001PXD avec windows 7 aujourd'hui abandonné
> par Microsoft.
> Je voudrai redonner vie à ce petit ordinateur pour des applications
> bureautique et musique principalement. Internet en consultation.

> Pouvez-vous m'orienter pour le choix du système Debian le mieux
> adapté ?

> Caractéristiques
> Asus Eeepc 1001 PXD
> Intel Atom N455
> Ram 2Go
> Système d'exploitation 32 bits
> Graphique : Intel graphics media Accelerator 3150

> Dans l'attente de votre retour.

> Cordialement


bonjour,


j'ai fait quelques essais sur une machine très ancienne 
et voici mon choix qui pourras vous aider :

https://antixlinux.com/

descriptif :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX_Linux

le seul point négatif provient du fait que la documentation
soit écrite en Anglais pour la majeure partie des choses, mais
ce n'est pas rédhibitoire et ça vaut le coup d'essayer ...

merci en tout cas d'avoir bien voulu essayer de tenter de 
faire le premier pas qui coûte et de "s'avanturer vers 
l'inconnu plus libre"

bien à toi
bernard

Re: Choix du système Debian

[ajh-valmer]

On Friday 17 January 2020 14:37:46 hamster wrote:
> Des bureaux comme XFCE ou LXDE sont tout a fait comparables 
> au niveau consommation de mémoire.

Je ne peux que conseiller le bureau TDE-Trinity,
(KDE-3 entièrement remanié),
léger, convivial, esthétique et très riche.

Re: Choix du système Debian pour la musique

[hamster]

Le 16/01/2020 à 18:35, d cyrille a écrit :
> Je voudrai redonner vie à ce petit ordinateur pour des applications
> bureautique et musique principalement. Internet en consultation.

Je ne sais pas ce que vous voulez faire en musique. Si vous voulez juste
lire de la musique et faire un peu de montage audio simple, ou écrire
des partitions, la debian standard fera très bien l'affaire avec des
logiciels comme VLC et audacity.

Si vous avez des besoins un peu plus avancés en musique, en particulier
si vous voulez travailler en temps réel (par exemple l'ordinateur qui
joue une bande son dans votre casque en meme temps qu'il enregistre ce
que vous faites) je vous conseille plutot une distribution spéciale pour
la musique, avec un noyau temps réel. Par exemple librazik
http://linuxmao.org/LibraZiK
et de facon plus générale, pour la musique sous linux, le site linuxmao
est votre ami
http://linuxmao.org

Mais pour de tels usages, vous risquez un peu plus de vous heurter aux
limites de puissance de cet ordinateur.

Re: Apache2/PHP7 fails in Buster

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:50:25AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 16 ian 20, 12:59:23, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > 
> > My concern here is that the files in question are under /etc which
> > means they may be marked as conffiles.  Reinstalling a package whose
> > conffiles have gone missing will NOT restore the conffiles -- because
> > dpkg assumes the local sysadmin deleted them for a Good Reason.
> > 
> > The workarounds for that are to purge and then reinstall, or to use
> > special apt/dpkg options to force missing conffiles to be reinstalled.
> > I'd have to look up how those options are spelled, because they're
> > long and weird.  "Purge" is really easy to remember.
> 
> That would be '--force-confmiss'.
> 
> '--force-confask' might do it as well, the man page mentions it triggers 
> in case a conffile has been "modified".

Those are the options for dpkg.  If you're doing it through apt or
apt-get, then there's another layer of option wrapping that goes
around them and makes them even harder to remember or type.  I'd
have to ask the bots in #debian for the magic incantations.  I do
know that it involves CamelCase and ::double::colons:: because of
Object Oriented Poisoning.  (And naturally, NONE of this is in the man
pages, because why would they bother documenting it in a place people
can actually find it.)

Of course, breaking the problem into separate steps so that you
can use the human-rememberable dpkg options is also a viable solution. ;-)

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[songbird]

Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>>  it will sit there until i do something to it.
>
> Which vendor and model ?
>
>> i'm not actually sure if it will close when i shut down the system
>> but i think it will close when i boot up.
>
> Closing at power up is normal. I'm not sure whether its the firmware of
> the drive or of the main board which orders this.
>
>
>>   i hate it when machines do things i don't want them to do.
>
> It is a strange feature. If i only could find any tangible description.
> Best would be to find a (proprietary) SCSI command which disables or
> enables it.

  ata-ASUS_DVD-E818AAT_a

  i tried things this morning to verify that my intuitions
above were correct and they were.

  it will sit there with the tray open all day and when i
shut down the machine.

  when booting up it closes it.

  i have no autorun stuff going on and no polling of
cdrom/dvd devices that i know of.


  songbird  (not sure this will go through with gmane
change i made today

Re: Choix du système Debian

[hamster]

Le 16/01/2020 à 19:42, max...@mxgo.fr a écrit :
>
> Voici une réponse simple Monsieur d cyrille: Installez Debian avec
> l'environnement de bureau Mate et votre machine vous remerciera.
>

Tout a fait d'accord. J'utilise aussi debian avec le bureau mate sur des
ordis pas très puissants et ca marche très bien avec 2 Go de mémoire.
Des bureaux comme XFCE ou LXDE sont tout a fait comparables au niveau
consommation de mémoire.

Pour moi le minimum pour faire tourner debian avec un bureau léger a
l'heure actuelle, c'est 1 Go. Bien sur il faut s'attendre a ce que ca
rame un peu et il ne faut pas espérer faire plein de choses en meme
temps (50 onglets ouverts dans firefox par exemple, ca coince).

Je vous déconseille très fortement d'installer des vieilles versions de
debian qui ne sont plus supportées. Si il y a un réel besoin de grande
légèreté, il vaut beaucoup mieux installer une distribution spécialement
faite pour ca. Mais avec 2 Go de mémoire vous n'etes pas dans ce cas.

Je vous déconseille aussi les distributions basées sur débian mais plus
lourdes comme ubuntu ou pire linux mint, meme avec un bureau léger comme
mate, xfce ou lxde.

Si vous etes débutant en linux, abstenez vous tout simplement de lire
les messages qui vous parlent de ligne de commande ou de latex.

Pour finir je vous recommande moi aussi de prendre contact avec des
linuxiens proches de chez vous.
https://aful.org/gul/liste
Bien sur, vous pouvez toujours revenir demander de l'aide sur cette
liste aussi. Comme vous pouvez le voir, vous risquez plus d'avoir trop
de réponses que pas assez.

Re: Choix du système Debian

[Fabien R]

On 16/01/2020 18:35, d cyrille wrote:
> Pouvez-vous m'orienter pour le choix du système Debian le mieux adapté ?
> CaractéristiquesAsus Eeepc 1001 PXDIntel Atom N455Ram 2GoSystème 
> d'exploitation 32 bitsGraphique : Intel graphics media Accelerator 3150
J'utilise quasiment la même config (samsung NC10) sous stretch pour la même 
utilisation.
Ca marche très bien. Je regarde même les chaines freebox (mode standard) via 
vlc sans souci.
--
Fabien

Re: Re : Re: Choix du système Debian

[basile]

On Friday, January 17, 2020 11:20 CET, Klaus Becker  wrote:
 

Le 17/01/2020 à 03:54, k6dedi...@free.fr a écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
> OUI, certains sont dans leur sphère informaticienne et ne se mettent pas 
> facilement à la portée d'un utilisateur lambda.
 
Je me sens visé, mais je peux retourner le compliment.

Certains utilisateurs lamda ne prennent même pas le temps de s'informer par eux 
mêmes, et pourtant les resources informationnelles disponibles sur le Web sont 
immenses, et notammanet sur la question dont on débat ici même.

(et pour info, j'avais un AsusEEE sur lequel j'avais installé une Debian)

Cordialement

--
Basile Starynkevitch, informaticien libriste et fier de l'être
http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/
 

Re: Apache2/PHP7 fails in Buster

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 16/01/2020 17:48, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:43:17PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:


Well, it seems it's failing because it tries to enable the php7.3
module -- which it can't do, because the module's not THERE.

If it were me, I would attempt to purge this package (not just remove),
and then reinstall it.



The --reinstall should have handled that.


If purging fails because of a2enmod being unable to find the module
and manipulate it in various ways, then it might be necessary to
short-circuit the prerm/postinst/etc. scripts so that they do nothing,
just so you can purge everything.

The normal way to do that with a prerm or postinst script is to stick
"exit 0" near the top of it.



That would be a good approach.


Thanks to all, and especially Roberto, for pointing me in the right 
direction.
I did ~# dpkg -P libapache2-mod-php7.3 libapache2-mod-php, because it 
reported a dependency on libapache2-mod-php, which went smoothly. I than 
did apt-get install libapache2-mod-php, and systemctl restart apache2.


It now runs phpinfo() without problem.

I'm now stuck with my php script in my home being commented out by 
Apache, but I'm sure that's just a configuration issue.


Thanks again chaps


--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: dhclient and ipv6 DNS Servers

[Curt]

On 2020-01-16, Rainer Dorsch  wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 15. Januar 2020, 00:09:16 CET schrieb Pascal Hambourg:
>> Le 14/01/2020 à 21:14, Rainer Dorsch a écrit :
>> > prepend dhcp6.name-servers 2001:4860:4860::, 2001:4860:4860::8844;
>> > 
>> > avoids the error message, but has no visible effect I can see. The IPv6
>> > DNS
>> > servers still do not show in resolv.conf.
>> 
>> You may receive IPv6 DNS information from IPv6 Router Advertisements
>> (RA) with rdnssd, not DHCPv6.
>
> Many thanks, Pascal, that explains the obervations :-)
>
> I have in /etc/network/interfaces
>
> iface eth0.1 inet6 auto
>   dhcp 1
>   request_prefix 1
>
> I could not find a way to overwrite the DNS server for rdnssd, does anybody 
> know if that is possible?
>
>

All above and way beyond me, but from a cursory online examination of
this affair it appears that beyond disabling rdnssd entirely, it's
necessary to modify or patch the /etc/rdnssd/merge-hook script to
prevent rdnssd from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767071

 /etc/resolv.conf is handled by a configurable /etc/rdnssd/merge-hook
 script that users can modify to suit their needs. The stock version
 upstream has been modified to do what you want for ages:

 
http://git.remlab.net/gitweb/?p=ndisc6.git;a=blob_plain;f=rdnssd/merge-hook.in;hb=f7bd3662d2292e248173721d4760c03df39df666

Good luck.

-- 
"J'ai pour me guérir du jugement des autres toute la distance qui me sépare de
moi." Antonin Artaud

Re: Re : Re: Choix du système Debian

[Klaus Becker]

Le 17/01/2020 à 03:54, k6dedi...@free.fr a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,
OUI, certains sont dans leur sphère informaticienne et ne se mettent pas 
facilement à la portée d'un utilisateur lambda.

La RAM me semble un peu faible, voyez si vous pouvez la faire augmenter.
Mais si Windows tourne, Linux tournera.
J'ai installé une Kubuntu 16.04 sur un PC avec un Pentium II et 2 Go de RAM à 
la demande d'un utilisateur. C'est un peu lent, mais ça fonctionne.
Rapprochez-vous d'un GUL (groupe d'utilisateur du libre) près de chez vous, il 
vous guideront et, peut-être, il vous installerons une distribution 
correspondant à vos besoins.



voir par ex

http://parrains.linux.free.fr/

Klaus



Bon courage
Cassis

Re: Choix du système Debian

[Jean Bernon]

J'ai installé un vieux portable 64bits avec 2Gb de RAM et CPU 1,7 Ghz il y a 15 
jours. J'utilise Debian 10 LXDE et Midori comme navigateur (Firefox trop 
gourmand). Ça fonctionne correctement. Libre Office, qui est assez lourd, 
fonctionne aussi correctement. Côté musique, ça dépend des applications que tu 
utilises : Brasero, SoundJuicer et un gestionnaire de bibliothèque musicale 
devraient fonctionner sans probème. Des applications plus complexes comme 
Audacity, Musescore, Rosegarden peuvent ramer. 


> > Je possède un Eeepc Asus 1001PXD avec windows 7 aujourd'hui
> > abandonné par
> > Microsoft.
> > Je voudrai redonner vie à ce petit ordinateur pour des applications
> > bureautique
> > et musique principalement. Internet en consultation.
> >
> >
> > Pouvez-vous m'orienter pour le choix du système Debian le mieux
> > adapté ?
> >
> > Caractéristiques
> > Asus Eeepc 1001 PXD
> > Intel Atom N455
> > Ram 2Go
> > Système d'exploitation 32 bits
> > Graphique : Intel graphics media Accelerator 3150
> >
> >
> > Dans l'attente de votre retour.
> >
> > Cordialement
> >

Re: Apache2/PHP7 fails in Buster

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 ian 20, 12:59:23, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> My concern here is that the files in question are under /etc which
> means they may be marked as conffiles.  Reinstalling a package whose
> conffiles have gone missing will NOT restore the conffiles -- because
> dpkg assumes the local sysadmin deleted them for a Good Reason.
> 
> The workarounds for that are to purge and then reinstall, or to use
> special apt/dpkg options to force missing conffiles to be reinstalled.
> I'd have to look up how those options are spelled, because they're
> long and weird.  "Purge" is really easy to remember.

That would be '--force-confmiss'.

'--force-confask' might do it as well, the man page mentions it triggers 
in case a conffile has been "modified".

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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