Re: How to set Gedit left margin to 80 characters

[Default User]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 15:55 Curt  wrote:

> On 2020-02-05, Default User  wrote:
> >
> > Andrei, thank you for the information about "cream". Unfortunately, I
> just
> > can not "do" modal editing. It just doesn't work for me.
>
> Then keep it turned off.
>
>  (Cream does not use Vim's modal editing unless turned on from the
>  Preferences menu.)
>
> http://cream.sourceforge.net/featurelist.html




Thanks, Curt. I did not know that. I'll check it out.

a question / soru

[Semih Özlem]

Hi
My name is Semih Ozlem I am trying to install debian 10 to a usb on a laptop
Live usb works ubuntu works on my machine and has been installed to a usb
flash drive
I would like to do the same with debian 10
I tried doing this last morning and I ran into difficulty for some reason
the machine when trying to form the gpt partition on drive with some swap
space
the menu just returned back to beginning

Do you have any idea about why this may happen and do you have any other
frequently asked questions on installation or forum on installations where
this question may be better addressed

Thanks ahead of time

Merhaba Ben semih ozlem ve debian 10 kurmaya calisiyorum debian 10 live
calisiyor ve ubuntu 18 04 u daha once kurdum
ancak kurulum sirasinda partition olusturmaya calisirken kurulum aniden
sonlanmakta sebebini bulmama ve sorunu gidermeme yardimci olacak birisi var
mi

Simdiden tesekkurler

Re: package versions on the mirrors

[Felix Miata]

Michael Stone composed on 2020-02-05 22:56 (UTC-0500):

> On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 08:30:17PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

>>How does one discover package versions on the mirrors? I know linux-image-* is
>>there. How does one search for the versions of it hosted there? 
>>apt-show-versions
>>linux-image-amd64 shows only one, and not which repo it comes from. Where does
>>4.19+105+deb10u1 kernel come from?
>>https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Searching has no example. Which man 
>>page
>>covers this?

> Is there some specific problem you're trying to solve? There are so many 
> potential answers to that question, it would help a lot if you were more 
> clear about what you want to accomplish.

It's a recurring problem. I want to compare currently installed version to newer
available version that may or may not be in a standard repo. Then once I know 
if I
need it and where to find it, I want to be able to install it, mostly or 
entirely
without a running X or extra PC to access the internet.

This week's exercise is migrating a virtually blind person's HD to new PC 
because
his old one died, and I didn't recommend an old enough CPU to be supported by 
pure
Stable. On openSUSE I needed all (or at least most of) the following packages 
that
came from an optional repo:

S  | Name | Type| Version  | Arch   | Repository
---+--+-+--++---
i  | libLLVM9 | package | 9.0.1-lp151.41.1 | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i  | xorg-x11-server-Xvfb | package | 1.20.7+0-lp151.601.1 | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-demo-x  | package | 8.4.0-lp151.59.2 | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-dri | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-gallium | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-libEGL1 | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-libGL1  | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-libd3d  | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-libglapi0   | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | Mesa-libva   | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | libdrm-tools | package | 2.4.100-lp151.264.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | libdrm2  | package | 2.4.100-lp151.264.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | libdrm_amdgpu1   | package | 2.4.100-lp151.264.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | libgbm1  | package | 19.3.3-lp151.1067.1  | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | llvm9-opt-viewer | package | 9.0.1-lp151.41.1 | noarch | X11XOrg
i+ | xf86-video-amdgpu| package | 19.1.0-lp151.64.2| x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | xf86-video-fbdev | package | 0.5.0-lp151.29.6 | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | xf86-video-vesa  | package | 2.4.0-lp151.37.5 | x86_64 | X11XOrg
i+ | xorg-x11-server  | package | 1.20.7+0-lp151.601.1 | x86_64 | X11XOrg
(plus new enough kernel)

I need whatever will produce equivalent results for Buster, apparently from
backports. CPU is 3200G Ryzen 3 Vega 8, released July 2019.

Audio is also a problem, 1002:15de and 1022:15e3 Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang.
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Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 07:33:38PM -0600, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 15:59:27 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 01:43:37PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 09:00:41 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 07:04:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > While I'm sure this can be managed by explicitly setting UUIDs, I've
> > > found it much more pleasant to manage explicit names (I personally
> > > prefer LVM names over filesystem labels, but filesystem labels work well
> > > for those filesystems I don't put under LVM).  Not only I can pronounce
> > > them and they carry meaning, but they tend to be much more visible (and
> > > hence easier to manipulate).
> >
> > I dislike using names becaues it's *much* more common to find name
> > collisions than UUID collisions. (E.g., a bunch of disks with
> > filesystems all labeled with easy to remember names like "root" or
> > "home".) Reboot with a couple of those in your system on a
> > label-oriented configuration and you may have a very bad day.
>
> Rather a strawman argument there. There's no reason not to choose
> sensible LABELs, unlike the examples you've given there, which fail
> for at least two reasons: they're unlikely to be unique and they're
> too overloaded with meaning.

What does "sensible" mean in this context? On a static system all of
this is a complete waste of time because nothing changes. If you start
upgrading disks, using external drives, moving things around, etc., it
may very well be that the same "sensible" label applies to a
filesystem found on more than one disk.


To make that argument, you have to put scare quotes round sensible
because common sense would lead you to use different LABELs for
partitions that you intend to distinguish by LABEL. To do otherwise
would be like suggesting that two teams who play in red should do
so without a change of shirt for one team.


You seem to just be stuck in this mindset where you think that it's 
somehow weird or unusual to name a root filesystem "root" instead of 
"kumquat" or some other meaningless string. I don't really have a 
response to that except to note that in my experience your naming 
conventions are an outlier and that it's a waste of time making 
assertions about what people should use as names instead of simply 
acknowledging what people actually use as names.



Can problems be avoided
through careful attention to detail?


I'd call the LABEL problem's solution blindingly obvious. Ironically,
one has to be more careful with *certain* operations when using UUIDs
because one is less likely to spot a duplication. I'm thinking of,
say, copying partitions.


Again, asserting that using labels in a fashion that avoids potential 
collisions is "blindlingly obvious" implies that the problems I've seen 
people have with label-based schemes must mean that they're too ignorant 
to do the "obviously" correct thing. That seems presumptuous at least.


OTOH, following best practices when copying raw partitions (including 
changing the UUID) seems to be something to be glossed over (presumably 
because only changing the label in that exact case is "obvious"?)



Stefan and I were posting why we like names. The uniqueness of UUIDs
is a given. (Ironically, it's in the name.)


Perhaps (although the fact that they won't be unique if you copy the raw 
filesystem is a recurring theme) but the argument at the top of the 
thread seems to be that they somehow change unexpectedly and can't be 
relied upon--which would seem to be an even more serious problem (if it 
existed).



And it's a different
argument from the one you appeared to make, 


Yes, I argued against the proposition that actually started the thread, 
which seemed to be that UUIDs are somehow unreliable--in particular,
as compared to labels. For some reason talking about why that isn't 
actually the case makes you start talking about straw men, as though you 
either didn't read or couldn't remember posts from a couple of days ago.



which was that you dislike
using names because other people (presumably) misuse them. 


And you've explained that anybody who uses them other than in the 
(extremely idiosyncratic) manner you prescribe is just doing them wrong 
and its their own fault if there are problems because they must be dumb. 
I'm glad we've managed to so succinctly summarize each other's position.


If I were to summarize my own position it would simply be that I 
encourage people to be aware of potential issues that arise when labels 
collide, and that UUIDs are a (not unreliable) alternative that may work 
better in some circumstances.



OK, perhaps
you run a helpdesk.


The closest I come to that is this mailing list.


Just because you personally use a
feature in a particular way doesn't mean everyone else does. Sometimes
a standard install of an OS can default to labeling schemes that cause
conflicts if you put the drive from one machine into another

Re: package versions on the mirrors

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 08:30:17PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

How does one discover package versions on the mirrors? I know linux-image-* is
there. How does one search for the versions of it hosted there? 
apt-show-versions
linux-image-amd64 shows only one, and not which repo it comes from. Where does
4.19+105+deb10u1 kernel come from?
https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Searching has no example. Which man 
page
covers this?


Is there some specific problem you're trying to solve? There are so many 
potential answers to that question, it would help a lot if you were more 
clear about what you want to accomplish.

Re: package versions on the mirrors

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2020-02-05 20:36 (UTC-0600):

> On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 20:30:17 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:

>> How does one discover package versions on the mirrors? I know linux-image-* 
>> is
>> there. How does one search for the versions of it hosted there? 
>> apt-show-versions
>> linux-image-amd64 shows only one, and not which repo it comes from. Where 
>> does
>> 4.19+105+deb10u1 kernel come from?
>> https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Searching has no example. Which 
>> man page
>> covers this?
 
> I browse to the Debian Packages page and pick a package (almost any),
> search, and follow the links down as far as the Mirrors page (links to
> the actual files). I copy the address and paste it into the address
> bar, but without the filename at the end. Then I just browse the
> directories in the pool.

I'm looking for something that doesn't involve web browsers, something I
can use when X doesn't work, or always.

I used that page to find one package I want:


What I haven't found is anything to explain how to translate it into any
apt* command.

Worse, I haven't found anything that makes it clear to me whether a Buster
user needs to configure

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster-backports main
or
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main

in sources.list.

> If, however, you start with a package that happens to have a security
> update, you might get stuck in the security website, where you can't
> see all the general packages but only the security updates.
 
> Don't know if that's what you meant.

What I'm looking for is the closest approximation of openSUSE. Assuming
appropriate repo is configured, I get everything I want there this way:

# zypper se -s amdg | egrep -iv 'debug|32bit|src|i586'
...
S  | Name   | Type   | Version | Arch   
| Repository
---+++-++---
i  | libdrm_amdgpu1 | package| 2.4.100-lp151.264.1 | x86_64 
| X11XOrg
v  | libdrm_amdgpu1 | package| 2.4.97-lp151.2.3.1  | x86_64 
| Update
v  | libdrm_amdgpu1 | package| 2.4.97-lp151.1.1| x86_64 
| OSS
i  | xf86-video-amdgpu  | package| 19.1.0-lp151.64.2   | x86_64 
| X11XOrg
v  | xf86-video-amdgpu  | package| 18.1.0-lp151.1.3| x86_64 
| OSS

To replace the standard package with the newer one in the configured
optional repo, this is the way that comes to mind:

# zypper in xf86-video-amdgpu-19.1.0

Surely Debian has something roughly or even closely similar. I'm just
short of Google-fu discovering it.
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Re: package versions on the mirrors

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 20:30:17 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:
> How does one discover package versions on the mirrors? I know linux-image-* is
> there. How does one search for the versions of it hosted there? 
> apt-show-versions
> linux-image-amd64 shows only one, and not which repo it comes from. Where does
> 4.19+105+deb10u1 kernel come from?
> https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Searching has no example. Which man 
> page
> covers this?

I browse to the Debian Packages page and pick a package (almost any),
search, and follow the links down as far as the Mirrors page (links to
the actual files). I copy the address and paste it into the address
bar, but without the filename at the end. Then I just browse the
directories in the pool.

If, however, you start with a package that happens to have a security
update, you might get stuck in the security website, where you can't
see all the general packages but only the security updates.

Don't know if that's what you meant.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 16:47:13 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 01:43:37PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > I don't suppose either of us will meet a UUID collision in our
> > lifetimes, and it's obviously a sensible scheme to use where there
> > are large numbers of commoditised objects to name.
> 
> Usually a UUID collision is a result of a subtle mistake, like cloning
> a disk and then trying to mount a file system by UUID while the clone
> is still attached.  At least, that's the first scenario I can think of.

There are versions of UUIDs that aren't quite what they seem;
IOW there are predictable ones. There are means of placing strings
into positions where UUIDs are expected, eg tune2fs -U. There's a
vanishingly small probability that a human will spot a deliberately
altered UUID. My assumption in writing the above was that we are
honest brokers, generating UUIDs in a random manner.

In the absence of a RNG of any quality whatsoever, I think the
cryptographic vulnerability of the system will exceed the likelihood
of UUID collisions occurring. I have no information to back that up :)

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/02/msg5.html

Cheers,
David.

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 15:59:27 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 01:43:37PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 09:00:41 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 07:04:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > While I'm sure this can be managed by explicitly setting UUIDs, I've
> > > > found it much more pleasant to manage explicit names (I personally
> > > > prefer LVM names over filesystem labels, but filesystem labels work well
> > > > for those filesystems I don't put under LVM).  Not only I can pronounce
> > > > them and they carry meaning, but they tend to be much more visible (and
> > > > hence easier to manipulate).
> > > 
> > > I dislike using names becaues it's *much* more common to find name
> > > collisions than UUID collisions. (E.g., a bunch of disks with
> > > filesystems all labeled with easy to remember names like "root" or
> > > "home".) Reboot with a couple of those in your system on a
> > > label-oriented configuration and you may have a very bad day.
> > 
> > Rather a strawman argument there. There's no reason not to choose
> > sensible LABELs, unlike the examples you've given there, which fail
> > for at least two reasons: they're unlikely to be unique and they're
> > too overloaded with meaning.
> 
> What does "sensible" mean in this context? On a static system all of
> this is a complete waste of time because nothing changes. If you start
> upgrading disks, using external drives, moving things around, etc., it
> may very well be that the same "sensible" label applies to a
> filesystem found on more than one disk.

To make that argument, you have to put scare quotes round sensible
because common sense would lead you to use different LABELs for
partitions that you intend to distinguish by LABEL. To do otherwise
would be like suggesting that two teams who play in red should do
so without a change of shirt for one team.

> Can problems be avoided
> through careful attention to detail?

I'd call the LABEL problem's solution blindingly obvious. Ironically,
one has to be more careful with *certain* operations when using UUIDs
because one is less likely to spot a duplication. I'm thinking of,
say, copying partitions.

> Sure--but the same is true of
> many other systems. I submit that labels are not inherently "better",
> but merely a matter of preference.

I haven't said one is better than the other, but have just pointed out
why I like LABELs, which you said you dislike.

> If you like them, great! Have fun!
> If giving every thumbdrive its own label and mountpoint makes you
> happy, go for it. I generally expect thumbdrives to be consumables,
> mount them at generic points, and call it a day. YMMV.

And I supported you there, but you snipped it; I wrote of UUIDs:

"it's obviously a sensible scheme to use where there are
large numbers of commoditised objects to name."

> And FWIW, those aren't "strawman arguments", those are based on things
> I've found in the real world.

Stefan and I were posting why we like names. The uniqueness of UUIDs
is a given. (Ironically, it's in the name.) And it's a different
argument from the one you appeared to make, which was that you dislike
using names because other people (presumably) misuse them. OK, perhaps
you run a helpdesk.

> Just because you personally use a
> feature in a particular way doesn't mean everyone else does. Sometimes
> a standard install of an OS can default to labeling schemes that cause
> conflicts if you put the drive from one machine into another
> machine--so this really isn't something I'm making up out of thin air
> that never happens in real life.

IIRC you're describing Debian in the early days, when partitions were
configured only by their kernel names, rather like some people prefer
their network interfaces to be named.

> > > LVM is
> > > more resistant to that as long as you keep the vg names unique. (Call
> > > everything vg0 and you're back to having a bad day.)
> > 
> > It seems that saying "keep the vg names unique" is not very different
> > from saying to keep filesystem LABELs unique.
> 
> It's pretty much exactly the same. If you have multiple logical
> entities addressed by the same name, you might not get the entity you
> expected to get. This isn't always obvious to someone starting out who
> reads something like "labels prevent problems" and hasn't yet run into
> cases where that isn't true and thus hasn't adopted strategies to
> avoid those problems.

That's another strawman argument: I haven't suggested that, you bring
it up, then knock it down: isn't that the definition of a strawman
argument?

LABELs are a tool, as are UUIDs. I like both. UUIDs are great for
creating a nonce name; so good, we wonder how we got by without them.
But LABELs have some advantages (like brevity, memorability, meaning)
which persuades some people to use them without abusing them.

Where I might part company with Stefan is in adopting names with too
much meaning, 

package versions on the mirrors

[Felix Miata]

How does one discover package versions on the mirrors? I know linux-image-* is
there. How does one search for the versions of it hosted there? 
apt-show-versions
linux-image-amd64 shows only one, and not which repo it comes from. Where does
4.19+105+deb10u1 kernel come from?
https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Searching has no example. Which man 
page
covers this?
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Does "apt-get install" follow "recommends" links recursively?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Rich Morin (2020-02-06 01:02:07)
> Debian's "apt-get install" command is documented as following 
> "recommends" links by default. It also follows "depends" links, 
> presumably in a recursive fashion. However, I haven't been able to 
> find out if it also follows recommends links recursively.
> 
> For example, let's say that I run "apt-get install foo" and that foo 
> depends on or recommends bar. I would expect apt-get to install bar 
> and all of its dependencies. However, I don't know whether it would 
> also install bar's recommended packages, etc. Can someone please 
> clarify this?

Should be simple to test yourself:

Try install package ghostscript, which transitively recommends 
fonts-droid-fallback, which recommends fonts-noto-mono.

Or try install package junior-games-net, which recommends minetest, 
which tranisitvely recommends fonts-droid-fallback, which recommends 
fonts-noto-mono.

Or try install package games-all, which recommends games-finest, which 
recommends minetest, which tranisitvely recommends fonts-droid-fallback, 
which recommends fonts-noto-mono.


In all cases, you need not actually install, but can check the 
information from apt/apt-get/aptitude about what they intent to install 
- but cancel the actual install.


 - Jonas

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Re: Virtualbox error rc 1908

[Deiby Herrera]

Faltan dependencias observa bien

El dom., 2 feb. 2020 7:03 p. m., Ricardo Delgado <
ricardodelgad...@yahoo.com.ar> escribió:

> Buenas,
>
> Hoy al actualizar mi testing me doy con la novedad que no me
> funciona virtualbox, baje el mismo desde la pagina de Virtualbox, la
> version 5.2.34, la carpeta de instalacion es /opt/
>
> Cuando trato de lanzar la VM me da el error RC 1908.
>
> Probe las soluciones "habituales" (ej.
> https://www.archecode.org/es/blog/solucion-a-kernel-driver-not-installed-rc-1908-virtualbox/)(https://www.elpeladogeek.com/error-virtual-box-rc-1908-en-debian/
> )
>
>
>
>  Pero no me funciona.
>
>   Por favor si me pueden orientar en alguna solucion, les
> agradezco.
>
>

Re: Does “apt-get install” follow “recommends” links recursively?

[Daryl]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:02:07 -0800
Rich Morin  wrote:

> Debian's "apt-get install" command is documented as following
> "recommends" links by default. It also follows "depends" links,
> presumably in a recursive fashion. However, I haven't been able to
> find out if it also follows recommends links recursively.
> 
> For example, let's say that I run "apt-get install foo" and that foo
> depends on or recommends bar. I would expect apt-get to install bar
> and all of its dependencies. However, I don't know whether it would
> also install bar's recommended packages, etc. Can someone please
> clarify this?
> 
> -r
> 

Pick something and look at what it recommends, use apt-get -s to
simulate. Then do the same with one of the recommends. Do you see any
of that package recommends in the initial list?

Or, install something and look at aptitude:

aptitude why bar
aptitude why foo

etc...

Does “apt-get install” follow “recommends” links recursively?

[Rich Morin]

Debian's "apt-get install" command is documented as following "recommends" 
links by default. It also follows "depends" links, presumably in a recursive 
fashion. However, I haven't been able to find out if it also follows recommends 
links recursively.

For example, let's say that I run "apt-get install foo" and that foo depends on 
or recommends bar. I would expect apt-get to install bar and all of its 
dependencies. However, I don't know whether it would also install bar's 
recommended packages, etc. Can someone please clarify this?

-r

Re: Targeta wifi a Debian 10 Buster

[Antoni Villalonga]

On 5 February 2020 22:18:35 UTC, Guillem Canals  wrote:
>Bona nit!Vaig instal.lar el Debian 10 Buster en una laptop que ja té
>bastants anys. El problema que tinc és que no trobo la manera de
>configurar el wifi ja que el xipset que porta és Broadcom model
>BCM4312.
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Hola, 

Sembla que instalant aquest paquet hauria de funcionar.

"For devices with a BCM4312 LP-PHY chip (PCI ID 14E4:4315), install 
firmware-b43-installer:

apt-get install firmware-b43-installer"

Pots comprovar el PCI ID amb la comanda: lspci -nn

Requereix activar els repositoris 'contrib'
Les instruccions completes i més detalls: 
https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43_and_b43legacy

Salut!

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[0...@caiway.net]

On Tue, 04 Feb 2020 22:19:25 -0500
Stefan Monnier  wrote:
> > How painful is it to dd a live cd, boot from it and rename?
> 
> Very.  It's called "downtime".
> Every time you have to reboot, it means your OS has somewhat failed
> you.
> 
> 
> Stefan
> 

You are absolutely right!

Re: Thunderbird reageert soms niet

[Koen Wybo]

Op 5/02/2020 om 21:45 schreef Geert Stappers:

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 05:17:18PM +0100, Gijs Hillenius wrote:

On  5 February 2020 15:55 Paul van der Vlis, wrote:


Hoi,

Heb sinds een paar dagen een raar probleem met Thunderbird. Het
reageert soms enige tijd niet. De machine heeft dan een hoge load,
Thunderbird op 100%. Andere applicaties reageren gewoon. Na een paar
minuten werkt alles weer goed en snel.

zijstraatjes:

- relatie met een of andere recente update (da's bij mij meestal het
   geval)?

- IPv6 IPv4 timeout?

- Laat TB iets nuttigs zien als je het vanaf de commandline start?

- Iets te zien in de log van de mail server?

- Wellicht de cache dir en of dirs opzij zetten?


Nog eentje:  Agenda synchronisatie?

  
Groeten

Geert Stappers



Je werkt niet op Stable/Buster maar op Testing /Sid? Dan is er onlangs 
een nieuwe versie van thunderbird geïnstalleerd (van versie 60 naar 68).


Resultaat: heel wat plugins werken gewoon niet meer en moet je 
uitschakelen of verwijderen.


Agenda met Gmail: oude plugin verwijderen in thunderbird of 
calendar-google-provider via apt verwijderen. Nieuwe plugin manueel 
installeren: 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/using-lightning-google-calendar



Groeten,


Koen Wybo

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Stefan Monnier]

> Usually a UUID collision is a result of a subtle mistake, like cloning
> a disk and then trying to mount a file system by UUID while the clone
> is still attached.  At least, that's the first scenario I can think of.

I wouldn't call it a "subtle mistake".  Instead it's what *always*
happens when I make a clone: I always mount it right afterwards to
perform some checks and/or tweaks, and I never have any reason to
unmount the original before doing that.

Of course, that doesn't bother me: the clone's LV has a different name,
so whether the UUID is the same or not doesn't affect it.


Stefan

Targeta wifi a Debian 10 Buster

[Guillem Canals]

Bona nit!Vaig instal.lar el Debian 10 Buster en una laptop que ja té bastants 
anys. El problema que tinc és que no trobo la manera de configurar el wifi ja 
que el xipset que porta és Broadcom model BCM4312.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 01:43:37PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> I don't suppose either of us will meet a UUID collision in our
> lifetimes, and it's obviously a sensible scheme to use where there
> are large numbers of commoditised objects to name.

Usually a UUID collision is a result of a subtle mistake, like cloning
a disk and then trying to mount a file system by UUID while the clone
is still attached.  At least, that's the first scenario I can think of.

Re: Chipsets graphiques les mieux supportés par les pilotes libres ?

[ajh-valmer]

On Wednesday 05 February 2020 20:14:40 benoit...@ouvaton.org wrote:
> Je voudrais m’acheter une carte graphique, j’envisage d’en
> acheter une d’occase, il y en a plein sur les sites de seconde main.
> Quels sont les chipsets graphiques les mieux supportés par les
> pilotes libres ET sans qu’il soit nécessaire d’ajouter un
> firmware propriétaire ?
> Je ferai ma recherche en fonction de ce critère…

Nvidia, très facilement reconnu par Linux.
Choix pilotes proprio ou Libres.

Re: [epilogue] cpu frequence

[Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 11:57:18AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > in fact when I restarted my laptop the problem returned.
> > By reading the link  https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling more 
> > carefully
> 
> Note that this page is pretty old/outdated.  AFAIK nowadays the better
> option is to just throw away most of those tools and configs and just
> use the default (unless your needs are unusual and you know what you're
> doing).

Then please someone with knowledge about the topic update the wiki.

Cheers, Oli

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 01:43:37PM -0600, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 09:00:41 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:

On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 07:04:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> While I'm sure this can be managed by explicitly setting UUIDs, I've
> found it much more pleasant to manage explicit names (I personally
> prefer LVM names over filesystem labels, but filesystem labels work well
> for those filesystems I don't put under LVM).  Not only I can pronounce
> them and they carry meaning, but they tend to be much more visible (and
> hence easier to manipulate).

I dislike using names becaues it's *much* more common to find name
collisions than UUID collisions. (E.g., a bunch of disks with
filesystems all labeled with easy to remember names like "root" or
"home".) Reboot with a couple of those in your system on a
label-oriented configuration and you may have a very bad day.


Rather a strawman argument there. There's no reason not to choose
sensible LABELs, unlike the examples you've given there, which fail
for at least two reasons: they're unlikely to be unique and they're
too overloaded with meaning.


What does "sensible" mean in this context? On a static system all of 
this is a complete waste of time because nothing changes. If you start 
upgrading disks, using external drives, moving things around, etc., it 
may very well be that the same "sensible" label applies to a filesystem 
found on more than one disk. Can problems be avoided through careful 
attention to detail? Sure--but the same is true of many other systems. I 
submit that labels are not inherently "better", but merely a matter of 
preference. If you like them, great! Have fun! If giving every 
thumbdrive its own label and mountpoint makes you happy, go for it. I 
generally expect thumbdrives to be consumables, mount them at generic 
points, and call it a day. YMMV.


And FWIW, those aren't "strawman arguments", those are based on things 
I've found in the real world. Just because you personally use a feature 
in a particular way doesn't mean everyone else does. Sometimes a 
standard install of an OS can default to labeling schemes that cause 
conflicts if you put the drive from one machine into another machine--so 
this really isn't something I'm making up out of thin air that never 
happens in real life.



LVM is
more resistant to that as long as you keep the vg names unique. (Call
everything vg0 and you're back to having a bad day.)


It seems that saying "keep the vg names unique" is not very different
from saying to keep filesystem LABELs unique.


It's pretty much exactly the same. If you have multiple logical entities 
addressed by the same name, you might not get the entity you expected to 
get. This isn't always obvious to someone starting out who reads 
something like "labels prevent problems" and hasn't yet run into cases 
where that isn't true and thus hasn't adopted strategies to avoid those 
problems.

Re: How to set Gedit left margin to 80 characters

[Curt]

On 2020-02-05, Default User  wrote:
>
> Andrei, thank you for the information about "cream". Unfortunately, I just
> can not "do" modal editing. It just doesn't work for me.

Then keep it turned off.

 (Cream does not use Vim's modal editing unless turned on from the
 Preferences menu.)

http://cream.sourceforge.net/featurelist.html

Re: Thunderbird reageert soms niet

[Geert Stappers]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 05:17:18PM +0100, Gijs Hillenius wrote:
> On  5 February 2020 15:55 Paul van der Vlis, wrote:
> 
> > Hoi,
> >
> > Heb sinds een paar dagen een raar probleem met Thunderbird. Het
> > reageert soms enige tijd niet. De machine heeft dan een hoge load,
> > Thunderbird op 100%. Andere applicaties reageren gewoon. Na een paar
> > minuten werkt alles weer goed en snel.
> 
> zijstraatjes:
> 
> - relatie met een of andere recente update (da's bij mij meestal het
>   geval)?
> 
> - IPv6 IPv4 timeout?
> 
> - Laat TB iets nuttigs zien als je het vanaf de commandline start?
> 
> - Iets te zien in de log van de mail server?
> 
> - Wellicht de cache dir en of dirs opzij zetten?
> 

Nog eentje:  Agenda synchronisatie?

 
Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven

Re: Boot path sur HP

[Jean Bernon]

> C'est sur que si l'un est en UEFI et l'autre en légacy il ne peut y
> avoir que des soucis de détection.
> En UEFI il y a grub-efi qui qui cherche les autres OS mentionnés dans
> la
> partoche EFI, en légacy il y a grup-pc qui cherche des systèmes
> bootables sur les autres partoches.

> Donc logiquement, si linux est en UEFI, son grub-efi ne va pas
> trouver
> un windows installé en légacy vu qu'il n'est pas mentionné dans la
> partoche EFI. Et si tu le rajoute a la main, ca ne permettra pas de
> le
> booter puisqu'il est installé en légacy donc pas fait pour booter en
> UEFI.

Oui bien sûr, mais comment expliquer que lorsque je bascule le BIOS en legacy 
il ne trouve pas plus l'image de boot de Windows. C'est comme si le MBR avait 
été écrasé par gparted lors de la création des partitions linux. J'hésite donc 
à réinstaller en legacy. Pour l'instant je boote sur linux et je peux monter 
les partitions Windows et voir tous les fichiers (beaucoup de photos) depuis 
linux. J'ai peur de ne plus accéder à rien en réinstallant en legacy. C'est 
pourquoi ma question initiale était seulement comment faire prendre en compte 
le chemin du boot linux. Pour l'instant si je boote normalemnt (= sans F9 
etc...), même en legacy, le boot s'interrompt immédiatement avec un message 
disant qu'il n'y a pas d'OS installé.
Merci de ton attention !

Jean

Re: diagramme de gantt

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Benoit B" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Cc: "Debian user french" 
> Envoyé: Mercredi 5 Février 2020 19:55:29
> Objet: Re: diagramme de gantt
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Je ne comprends pas bien ta demande, est-ce que tu veux développer ta
> propre solution web modifiable en ligne :
> 
> J’ai testé ceci avec Ruby et PostgreSql il y a longtemps, ça a
> très bien fonctionné, ils ont un bon tuto ROR.
> 
> https://dhtmlx.com/blog/using-dhtmlxgantt-with-ruby-on-rails/
> 
> Mais la librairie js n’est pas libre… :(
> Du coup, même s’il suffit de remettre le javascript lisible,
> c’est un problème par principe :
> 
> https://dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtmlxGantt/
> 
> Il y a ca aussi (pas testé).
> jsgantt.com/jsgantt_Minutes.html
> https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineGantt
> https://gantt.twproject.com/
> https://github.com/robicch/jQueryGantt
> https://jsganttimproved.github.io/jsgantt-improved/
> 
> 
> Ou est-ce que tu veux utiliser des logiciels de bureau et juste
> exporter les diagrammes en html statiques sans pouvoir les modifier
> en
> ligne ?

bonjour, 

je vous remercie tous de vous être décarcassés autant et vous avoir
donné autant de peine sur un sujet insignifiant ...

J'ai consulté les différentes possibilités et il s'avère que 
c'est Kanboard qui est mis en avant sur Younohost et chez Framasoft 


merci pour votre aimable attention

bien à vous
bernard

Re: HS: logiciel devis/facturation compatible M14

[David Pinson]

Le 05/02/2020 à 19:27, NoSpam a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> connaitriez vous un ou des logiciels de devis/facturation sous Linux
> permettant de faire l'intégration vers une comptabilité M14 utilisé par
> les collectivités locales ?
> 
> Merci pour tout retour
> 


Dolibarr

Linuxement vôtre,
David

Re: How to debug hibernate

[Joe]

On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:47:35 +0100
kjo...@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) wrote:

> Fresh installation of debian 10, immediately "upgraded" to sid.
> 
> HIbernation does not work - after issuing "systemctl hibernate"
> computer hangs and nothing happens.
> 
> Only hard reset helps.
> How can I check what is going on?
> 

If you want suspend/hibernate to work reasonably well, stick to stable.
I gave up trying to fix suspend (I don't need hibernate) in sid years
ago. If I got it working, it didn't last more than a month. 

By working, I mean not just waking up, but with working sound,
networking, USB, mounted drives etc. It seems to be a supremely
difficult task.

-- 
Joe

How to debug hibernate

[Kamil Jońca]

Fresh installation of debian 10, immediately "upgraded" to sid.

HIbernation does not work - after issuing "systemctl hibernate" computer
hangs and nothing happens.

Only hard reset helps.
How can I check what is going on?

KJ

-- 
http://wolnelektury.pl/wesprzyj/teraz/

Re: HS: logiciel devis/facturation compatible M14

[Sébastien Dinot]

NoSpam a écrit :
> connaitriez vous un ou des logiciels de devis/facturation sous Linux
> permettant de faire l'intégration vers une comptabilité M14 utilisé
> par les collectivités locales ?

Je ne suis pas un spécialiste du sujet, mais un bon endroit pour une
telle question est la liste « comptabil...@april.org » à laquelle sont
abonnés tout à la fois des développeurs spécialisés et des comptables ou
autres experts du domaine :

https://listes.april.org/wws/info/comptabilite

Sébastien

-- 
Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr
http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Trilinos build from source code

[Gary L. Roach]

I know that this is not a main stream debian question but I have not 
been able to get any response from the Trilinos (sandia labs) mailing 
list. I am desparate.


I am running a Debian Buster KDE system and am trying to set up Elmer 
with Trilinos. In short, a setup for some heavy duty computer modeling. 
Because of several factors, I chose to download the latest source code 
from GitHub. The CMake file (without MPI support) worked fine and the 
make file ran fine. But when I included MPI into the CMake file, (see 
below) the CMake still ran fine.


*__
*

*#!/bin/bash

# Set this to the root of your Trilinos source directory.
TRILINOS_PATH=/opt/trilinos/Trilinos

#
# You can invoke this shell script with additional command-line
# arguments.  They will be passed directly to CMake.
#
EXTRA_ARGS=$@

#
# Each invocation of CMake caches the values of build options in a
# CMakeCache.txt file.  If you run CMake again without deleting the
# CMakeCache.txt file, CMake won't notice any build options that have
# changed, because it found their original values in the cache file.
# Deleting the CMakeCache.txt file before invoking CMake will insure
# that CMake learns about any build options you may have changed.
# Experience will teach you when you may omit this step.

#
rm -f CMakeCache.txt

#
# Enable all primary stable Trilinos packages.
#
cmake \
  -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:FILEPATH="/opt/trilinos/build" \
  -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING=RELEASE \
  -D TPL_ENABLE_MPI:BOOL=ON \
  -D MPI_BASE_DIR:FILEPATH="/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu" \
  -D MPI_EXEC:FILEPATH="/usr/bin/mpiexec" \
  -D Trilinos_ENABLE_ALL_PACKAGES:BOOL=ON \
$EXTRA_ARGS \
$TRILINOS_PATH*

**

But when I tried to run make I got the following errors:



*[ 17%] Built target suplib
[ 21%] Built target plt[ 17%] Built target suplib
[ 21%] Built target plt
[ 21%] Linking CXX executable exo2mat
[ 21%] Linking CXX executable conjoin
[ 21%] Linking CXX executable epu
[ 21%] Linking CXX executable exodiff
/usr/bin/ld: ..//.usr.//binlibraries//ldexodus:/ 
libexodus.a.(.ex_utils.c.o//)usr:/. .undefined reference/ 
binlibraries/toexodus /symbollibexodus.a/ 
ld':(H5get_libversionex_utils.c.o@)@:HDF5_SERIAL_1.8.7 . ./'undefined
/usr ..//binreference /to ldsymbol: 
'/H5get_libversion/@usr@/HDF5_SERIAL_1.8.7lib'/
x86_64/-usrlinux/-bingnu//ldlibhdf5_serial.so.103::  /error/ usradding/ 
libsymbols/:x86_64 -DSOlinux -missinggnu /fromlibhdf5_serial.so.103 
:command  errorline

adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
libraries/exoduscollect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
/libexodus.a(ex_utils.c.o): undefined reference to symbol 
'H5get_libversion@@HDF5_SERIAL_1.8.7'
/usr/bin/ld: //usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhdf5_serial.so.103: error 
adding symbols: DSO missing from command line

collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** 
[packages/seacas/applications/epu/CMakeFiles/epu.dir/build.make:148: 
packages/seacas/applications/epu/epu] Error 1
make[2]: *** 
[packages/seacas/applications/conjoin/CMakeFiles/conjoin.dir/build.make:133: 
packages/seacas/applications/conjoin/conjoin] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:4: 
packages/seacas/applications/epu/CMakeFiles/epu.dir/all] Error 2

make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:10982: 
packages/seacas/applications/conjoin/CMakeFiles/conjoin.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: *** 
[packages/seacas/applications/exo2mat/CMakeFiles/exo2mat.dir/build.make:89: 
packages/seacas/applications/exo2mat/exo2mat] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:11171: 
packages/seacas/applications/exo2mat/CMakeFiles/exo2mat.dir/all] Error 2
/usr/bin/ld: ../../libraries/exodus/libexodus.a(ex_utils.c.o): undefined 
reference to symbol 'H5get_libversion@@HDF5_SERIAL_1.8.7'
/usr/bin/ld: //usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhdf5_serial.so.103: error 
adding symbols: DSO missing from command line

collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** 
[packages/seacas/applications/exodiff/CMakeFiles/exodiff.dir/build.make:298: 
packages/seacas/applications/exodiff/exodiff] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:11228: 
packages/seacas/applications/exodiff/CMakeFiles/exodiff.dir/all] Error 2

make: *** [Makefile:163: all] Error 2
gary@ctech:/opt/trilinos/build$
*

*__*
**

If anyone familiar with this software could help it will be sincerely 
appreciated.



Gary R

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 Feb 2020 at 09:00:41 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 07:04:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > Me too, so I usually label the permanent stuff at least. UUID's can and
> > > > will change for no detectable reason.
> > > For those reading along or finding this in search results: no, filesystem
> > > UUIDs don't change for no detectable reason. Don't implement anything 
> > > based
> > > on this theory.
> > 
> > What he meant is that filesystem UUIDs are (re)created automatically
> > based on a heuristic of what it means for a filesystem to be "the same".
> 
> You understand that he didn't actually say that, right? This seems
> like your own personal bugaboo instead.

Yes, what he wrote is elaborated in postings like
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/01/msg00787.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/01/msg00791.html

> > While I'm sure this can be managed by explicitly setting UUIDs, I've
> > found it much more pleasant to manage explicit names (I personally
> > prefer LVM names over filesystem labels, but filesystem labels work well
> > for those filesystems I don't put under LVM).  Not only I can pronounce
> > them and they carry meaning, but they tend to be much more visible (and
> > hence easier to manipulate).
> 
> I dislike using names becaues it's *much* more common to find name
> collisions than UUID collisions. (E.g., a bunch of disks with
> filesystems all labeled with easy to remember names like "root" or
> "home".) Reboot with a couple of those in your system on a
> label-oriented configuration and you may have a very bad day.

Rather a strawman argument there. There's no reason not to choose
sensible LABELs, unlike the examples you've given there, which fail
for at least two reasons: they're unlikely to be unique and they're
too overloaded with meaning.

I don't suppose either of us will meet a UUID collision in our
lifetimes, and it's obviously a sensible scheme to use where there
are large numbers of commoditised objects to name. Look at cars.
For practical purposes, a VIN is a (U)UID: great for computers,
but totally impractical for human use, hence licence plates,
whose numbers are chosen to be unique only within a juridiction.

My jurisdiction is Home, so every host gets a short memorable
name, and each disk, stick and card does too. Their filesystem
LABELs relate to those names. All are marked with those names,
and I couldn't manage that with UUIDs. None of the names carry
any functional meaning, because functions necessarily change.

Other people will choose LABELs in different ways, but the fact
that some people will choose unwisely does not condemn the method.

> LVM is
> more resistant to that as long as you keep the vg names unique. (Call
> everything vg0 and you're back to having a bad day.)

It seems that saying "keep the vg names unique" is not very different
from saying to keep filesystem LABELs unique.

> On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 10:19:25PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > PS: The only problem with LVM names is that Linux doesn't let you
> > > > rename a volume group while it's active (at least last time I tried),
> > > > which makes it painful to rename the volume group in which lives your
> > > > root partition.
> > > How painful is it to dd a live cd, boot from it and rename?
> > 
> > Very.  It's called "downtime".
> > Every time you have to reboot, it means your OS has somewhat failed you.
> 
> I'm trying to think of a reason to rename the root partition that
> doesn't involve downtime and coming up empty.

I don't know what the implications of LVM are because I've not used
them. Consequently I don't know why Stefan wrote 'The root partition
is always called "root"', or whether "called" even refers here to a
filesystem LABEL or something else. Some of the posts seem to conflate
the terms partition, VG, LV and LVM.

Cheers,
David.

Chipsets graphiques les mieux supportés par les pilotes libres ?

[benoitlst]

Bonjour,

Je voudrais m’acheter une carte graphique, j’envisage d’en
acheter une d’occase, il y en a plein sur les sites de seconde main.

Quels sont les chipsets graphiques les mieux supportés par les
pilotes libres ET sans qu’il soit nécessaire d’ajouter un
firmware propriétaire ?

Je ferai ma recherche en fonction de ce critère…

Merci d’avance.

–
Benoit

Re: How to set Gedit left margin to 80 characters

[Default User]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 03:18 Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

> On Mi, 29 ian 20, 09:52:29, Default User wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 02:17 Andrei POPESCU 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you take suggestions for editors you might as well look into (g)vim,
> > > or cream if you find the learning curve too steep.
> >
> > Andrei, thank you for the suggestions.
> >
> > I don't know anything about cream, but I'll look it up.
> >
> > As for *vi* . . .  I have tried to use that, but I just can't seem to
> "get"
> > modal editing. To me it is just too difficult and non-intuitive. Which
> is a
> > shame, because otherwise it seems to have a lot of good points.
>
> 'cream' is just some macros on top of vim to make it easier to use. It
> can also be an entry point to vim "proper" (it was for me).
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser



Sorry, I've been away for a few days.

Andrei, thank you for the information about "cream". Unfortunately, I just
can not "do" modal editing. It just doesn't work for me.

Just a note: Gedit DOES word-wrap at the screen edge after all. But only
seems to wrap at a space following a word.

On my computer, I have "enable text wrapping" and "do not split words over
two lines" selected in "Preferences". At the beginning of a line, if I hold
down the "x" key, and let it auto-type "x's", it will reach the display
right edge and just keep going (not wrap).

But, at line beginning, if I type "asdf asdf asdf . . . " repeatedly, it
will wrap after column 80 (soft-wrap, I assume).

With "do not split words over two lines" unselected, it wraps after column
82, splitting an "asdf ".

Thanks to the Emacs documentation for hinting at this.

Still no obvious way to set the wrap at another column, for example, column
70 or 72 in Gedit.

Why this behavior? Perhaps, as Gene pointed out, Gedit may be considered a
"text editor", not a "word processor". And as someone suggested online,
developers might be concerned that "newbies" might mess up configuration
files, maybe not even be able to reboot correctly, if word-wrap was enabled
in an "editor" like Gedit.

So they shamelessly and unapologetically pander to the lowest common
denominator.

Re: diagramme de gantt

[Benoit B]

Bonjour,

Je ne comprends pas bien ta demande, est-ce que tu veux développer ta
propre solution web modifiable en ligne :

J’ai testé ceci avec Ruby et PostgreSql il y a longtemps, ça a
très bien fonctionné, ils ont un bon tuto ROR.

https://dhtmlx.com/blog/using-dhtmlxgantt-with-ruby-on-rails/

Mais la librairie js n’est pas libre… :(
Du coup, même s’il suffit de remettre le javascript lisible,
c’est un problème par principe :

https://dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtmlxGantt/

Il y a ca aussi (pas testé).
jsgantt.com/jsgantt_Minutes.html
https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineGantt
https://gantt.twproject.com/
https://github.com/robicch/jQueryGantt
https://jsganttimproved.github.io/jsgantt-improved/


Ou est-ce que tu veux utiliser des logiciels de bureau et juste
exporter les diagrammes en html statiques sans pouvoir les modifier en
ligne ?

http://www.projectlibre.com/
https://www.ganttproject.biz/
https://packages.debian.org/buster/planner

Sans interface WYSIWYG
https://packages.debian.org/buster/tj3

Pour LaTeX
https://ctan.org/topic/gantt

--
Benoit

Le lun. 3 févr. 2020 à 07:00, Bernard Schoenacker
 a écrit :
>
> bonjour,
>
> je recherche une solution pour employer des diagrammes
> de gantt en version web et je n'arrive pas à trouver
> la solution sachant que je part d'une base sur younohost
>
> qui pourrait simplement me donner un début de solution
> pour éclairer ma lanterne
>
>
> merci pour votre aimable attention
>
> bien à vous
> bernard
>

Re: diagramme de gantt

[benoitlst]

Le 2020-02-03 07:00, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :

bonjour,

je recherche une solution pour employer des diagrammes
de gantt en version web et je n'arrive pas à trouver
la solution sachant que je part d'une base sur younohost

qui pourrait simplement me donner un début de solution
pour éclairer ma lanterne



Bonjour,

Je ne comprends pas bien ta demande, est-ce que tu veux développer ta
propre solution web modifiable en ligne ?

J’ai testé ceci avec Ruby et PostgreSql il y a longtemps, ça a
très bien fonctionné, ils ont un bon tuto ROR :

https://dhtmlx.com/blog/using-dhtmlxgantt-with-ruby-on-rails/

Mais la librairie js n’est pas libre… :(
Du coup, même s’il suffit de remettre le javascript lisible,
c’est rédhibitoire par principe.

https://dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtmlxGantt/

Il y a ca aussi (pas testé).
jsgantt.com/jsgantt_Minutes.html
https://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineGantt
https://gantt.twproject.com/
https://github.com/robicch/jQueryGantt
https://jsganttimproved.github.io/jsgantt-improved/


Ou est-ce que tu veux utiliser des logiciels de bureau et juste
exporter les diagrammes en html statiques sans pouvoir les modifier en
ligne ?

http://www.projectlibre.com/
https://www.ganttproject.biz/
https://packages.debian.org/buster/planner

Sans interface WYSIWYG
https://packages.debian.org/buster/tj3

Pour LaTeX
https://ctan.org/topic/gantt

--
Benoit

Debian 9, Xfce, Network Manager, strongSwan and UniFi VPN

[David Christensen]

debian-user:

I have an AT residential gateway that provides the DMZ 192.168.1.0/24. 
 The gateway has DMZ address 192.168.1.254.



I have a Ubiquiti Networks UniFi Security Gateway (USG) whose upstream 
port is connected to the DMZ and has address 192.168.1.133.  The USG 
provides the LAN 192.168.5.0/24 and has address 192.158.5.1.



I have created a RADIUS account 'dpchrist' in the UniFi Controller.


I have configured a VPN network in the UniFi Controller:

Nameremote-access
VPN TypeL2TP Server
Pre-Shared Key  
Gateway/Subnet  172.16.5.1/29
Name Server Auto
WINS Server unchecked
Site-to-Site VPNunchecked

RADIUS Profile  Default
MS-CHAP v2  Require MS-CHAP v2


I have a Debian 9 laptop with Xfce.  I have attached the laptop to the 
DMZ at address 192.168.1.144.  The laptop can ping the AT gateway, can 
ping the USG, and can connect to the Internet via the AT gateway.



I would like to connect the laptop on the DMZ to the LAN using Network 
Manager and strongSwan VPN.



STFW I found:


https://www.bestvpnz.com/tutorials/how-to-set-up-l2tp-ipsec-vpn-on-linux-networkmanager-strongswan/


I have installed the following packages on the laptop:

openvpn
network-manager-openvpn-gnome
network-manager-strongswan
xl2tpd
strongswan


I have put the pre-shared key into a file in my home directory in the 
laptop:


l2tp-key


I have created a VPN connection in the laptop:

Xfce Applications Menu -> Settings -> Network Connections -> Add:

  Choose a Connection Type  IPsec/IKEv2 (strongswan)
  Create...

Connection Name 192.168.1.133

VPN
  Gateway
Address 192.168.1.133
Certificate l2tp-key
  Client
Authentication  Pre-shared key
Usernamedpchrist
Password
  -> Store the password only for this user


  Options
Request an inner IP address checked
Enforce UDP encapsulation   checked
Use IP compression  checked


When I select Xfce Panel -> Notification Area -> NetworkManager Applet 
-> VPN Connections -> 192.168.1.133, I get a pop-up that says:


VPN Connection Failed

The VPN connection "192.168.1.133" failed because the VPN
service failed to start.


There are clues in the messages log:

2020-02-04 20:44:30 root@tinkywinky ~
# tail -n 4 /var/log/messages
Feb  4 20:43:42 tinkywinky NetworkManager[537]:  
[1580877822.3516] audit: op="connection-activate" 
uuid="4f2c0009-5392-4001-a090-adb11d5977a8" name="192.168.1.133" 
pid=1210 uid=13250 result="success"
Feb  4 20:43:42 tinkywinky NetworkManager[537]:  
[1580877822.3549] 
vpn-connection[0x563d18544800,4f2c0009-5392-4001-a090-adb11d5977a8,"192.168.1.133",0]: 
Saw the service appear; activating connection
Feb  4 20:43:42 tinkywinky NetworkManager[537]:  
[1580877822.4545] 
vpn-connection[0x563d18544800,4f2c0009-5392-4001-a090-adb11d5977a8,"192.168.1.133",0]: 
VPN connection: (ConnectInteractive) reply received
Feb  4 20:43:42 tinkywinky NetworkManager[537]:  
[1580877822.4593] 
vpn-connection[0x563d18544800,4f2c0009-5392-4001-a090-adb11d5977a8,"192.168.1.133",0]: 
VPN connection: failed to connect: 'Loading gateway certificate failed.'



STFW I found my own posts from ~6 months ago with these same issues.  I 
fumbled around and eventually got it working, but have no recollection 
or understanding of how or why.  I have not touched the UniFi settings 
since then.  The laptop has a fresh install of Debian 9.



Suggestions?


David

HS: logiciel devis/facturation compatible M14

[NoSpam]

Bonjour,

connaitriez vous un ou des logiciels de devis/facturation sous Linux 
permettant de faire l'intégration vers une comptabilité M14 utilisé par 
les collectivités locales ?


Merci pour tout retour

--

Daniel

Re: Boot path sur HP

[hamster]

Le 05/02/2020 à 18:10, Jean Bernon a écrit :
> Sauf erreur de ma part c'est au moment de partitionner le disque, donc
> avant l'installation, que linux décèle ou non les autres OS.

Non, c'est au moment d'installer (en fait configurer) GRUB.

> J'ai installé une bonne dizaine de Linux Mint et habituellement il
> décèle bien la présence de Windows. Les deux exceptions, dont celle
> d'aujourd'hui, concerne des HP (coïncidence ?). 

C'est sur que si l'un est en UEFI et l'autre en légacy il ne peut y
avoir que des soucis de détection.
En UEFI il y a grub-efi qui qui cherche les autres OS mentionnés dans la
partoche EFI, en légacy il y a grup-pc qui cherche des systèmes
bootables sur les autres partoches.

Donc logiquement, si linux est en UEFI, son grub-efi ne va pas trouver
un windows installé en légacy vu qu'il n'est pas mentionné dans la
partoche EFI. Et si tu le rajoute a la main, ca ne permettra pas de le
booter puisqu'il est installé en légacy donc pas fait pour booter en UEFI.

Re: Boot path sur HP

[Jean Bernon]

Merci de répondre. Je reprends sur la liste...

- Mail original - 

> De: "djomentunes" 
> À: "Jean Bernon" 
> Envoyé: Mercredi 5 Février 2020 17:13:50
> Objet: RE: Boot path sur HP

> Bonjour Jean,

> Bizarre, normalement l'installation aurait dû déceler le système
> d'exploitation Windows et vous proposez l'installation de Linux Mint
> sur les partitions disponibles. La proposition du dual boot se fait
> à la fin de l'installation du système. Je connais pas Linux Mint,
> mais je pense que toutes installations à base Linux doivent être
> similaire.

Sauf erreur de ma part c'est au moment de partitionner le disque, donc avant 
l'installation, que linux décèle ou non les autres OS. J'ai installé une bonne 
dizaine de Linux Mint et habituellement il décèle bien la présence de Windows. 
Les deux exceptions, dont celle d'aujourd'hui, concerne des HP (coïncidence ?). 

> - comment avez-vous formater la partition, normalement Fat32.

C'est gparted qui a configuré les partitions : choix de ext4 pour la partition 
principale, de esp pour la partition efi (sans doute fat32 ?) et de swap pour 
la partition swap

> - avez-vous pris la bonne .iso (32/64bits) ?

j'utilise un iso 64bits UEFI. Le processeur est un I3 2370m et c'est bien un 64 
bits.

> https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
> Une seule partition en Fat32 derrière Windows serait peut-être plus
> simple pour le système à identifier les partitions existantes et les
> systèmes présents.
> La touche raccourcie sur le clavier pour déterminer quel type de
> système est installé sur Windows est : touche symbole Windows +
> touche pause, si touche FN l'ajouter à la combinaison.
> Bien entendu l'installation devra se faire en legacy comme Windows en
> 32 ou 64bits.

je ne peux plus booter Windows. Donc Windows+pause ne m'est d'aucun secours.
Il est possible que mon problème vienne plutôt du choix d'UEFI, comme le 
suggère aussi @hamster. Mais j'ai un doute, car le BIOS propose bien 3 choix 
(legacy, UEFI+CSM, UEFI pur) et je suis passé de legacy à UEFI+CSM pour 
installer. D'ailleurs dans l'installation Windows que je vois depuis linux, il 
y a bien des répertoires \EFI et dans celui qui est dans le répertoire Windows, 
je trouve bien un EFI/Microsoft.
La commande efibootmgr donne un résultat curieux
BootCurrent: 
Timeout: 0 seconds
No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery



> En souhaitant avoir pu vous aider.

> Cordialement,

> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.

>  Message d'origine 
> De : Jean Bernon 
> Date : 05/02/2020 14:55 (GMT+01:00)
> À : Liste Debian 
> Objet : Boot path sur HP

> Bonjour,

> Dans le cadre d'un atelier "logiciels libres", j'ai installé pour
> quelqu'un Linux Mint en dual boot (pas tout à fait, voir la suite)
> sur un ancien HP Probook 4740s. L'installateur ne détectait pas
> Windows et voulait occuper tout le disque. J'ai donc créé avec
> gparted des partitions pour Linux dans l'espace réellement libre.
> L'installation s'est déroulée normalement et les partitions Windows
> sont accessibles depuis Linux. Mais le boot est HS pour Windows et
> très compliqué pour Linux (F9,Boot EFI,...). Précision : Windows est
> installé en legacy et linux en UEFI.

> J'aimerais livrer au propriétaire du HP un système qui démarre
> normalement. Il existe dans le BIOS un choix "customized boot" qui
> permet d'entrer un boot path customisé. Ce chemin est
> \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi sur la partition /dev/sda7 et c'est celui
> qui démarre linux via la suite F9 etc... Mais quelle que soit la
> manière dont j'entre ce boot path, "\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi" ou
> "fs7:\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi" (j'ai même tenté "ACPI(PNP0A03"
> rejeté parce que trop long), l'image de boot n'est pas trouvée.

> J'ai beaucoup cherché et même vu un message signalant exactement le
> même problème, mais resté sans réponse. L'un d'entre vous aurait-il
> une suggestion ?

> Cordialement
> Jean

Re: XSane et Canon i-SENSYS MF643Cdw

[NoSpam]

Le 05/02/2020 à 16:11, Bruno Volpi a écrit :

Bonjour,

Bonjour


j'ai toujours eu des imprimantes HP et je me demande encore pourquoi 
j'ai voulu changer pour une Canon ( prix des consommables ?? ) et là 
je regrette.


Impossible de voir cette imprimante dans XSane .

la réponse du support Canon ->  installer les pilotes , comme si je 
n'avais pas commencer par là .


pour UFR II/UFRII LT Printer Driver for Linux V5.10  pas de problème,  
mais aucun changement


et pour CQue  4.0.5  .deb  :

localhost [127.0.0.1] 631 (ipp) opendpkg: erreur de traitement du 
paquet cque-fr (--install) :
 installed cque-fr package post-installation script subprocess 
returned error exit status 127

Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 cque-fr

et en plus il me pourri apt-get donc obliger de faire

sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq cque-fr

sinon impossible d'installer quoique ce soit d'autre.

Si quelqu'un à une idée géniale et qui fonctionne , sinon je vais 
devoir acheter une autre MFP .


J'avais pris contact avec les développeurs de cque (Suisse FR) ils ont 
été réactifs


--

Daniel

Re: Thunderbird reageert soms niet

[Gijs Hillenius]

On  5 February 2020 15:55 Paul van der Vlis, wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> Heb sinds een paar dagen een raar probleem met Thunderbird. Het
> reageert soms enige tijd niet. De machine heeft dan een hoge load,
> Thunderbird op 100%. Andere applicaties reageren gewoon. Na een paar
> minuten werkt alles weer goed en snel.

zijstraatjes:

- relatie met een of andere recente update (da's bij mij meestal het
  geval)?

- IPv6 IPv4 timeout?

- Laat TB iets nuttigs zien als je het vanaf de commandline start?

- Iets te zien in de log van de mail server?

- Wellicht de cache dir en of dirs opzij zetten?

Re: XSane et Canon i-SENSYS MF643Cdw

[Michel]

Le 05/02/2020 à 16:20, Bruno Volpi a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> j'ai toujours eu des imprimantes HP et je me demande encore pourquoi 
> j'ai voulu changer pour une Canon ( prix des consommables ?? ) et là je 
> regrette.
> 
> Impossible de voir cette imprimante dans XSane .
> 
> la réponse du support Canon ->  installer les pilotes , comme si je 
> n'avais pas commencer par là .
> 
> pour UFR II/UFRII LT Printer Driver for Linux V5.10  pas de problème,  
> mais aucun changement
> 
> et pour CQue  4.0.5  .deb  :
> 
> localhost [127.0.0.1] 631 (ipp) opendpkg: erreur de traitement du paquet 
> cque-fr (--install) :
>   installed cque-fr package post-installation script subprocess returned 
> error exit status 127
> Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
>   cque-fr
> 
> et en plus il me pourri apt-get donc obliger de faire
> 
> sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq cque-fr
> 
> sinon impossible d'installer quoique ce soit d'autre.
> 
> Si quelqu'un à une idée géniale et qui fonctionne , sinon je vais devoir 
> acheter une autre MFP .
> 
> Merci à vous
> 
> 
> Bruno
> 

J'ai toujours eu des HP aussi, mais j'ai eu aussi des problèmes avec une
Laserjet Pro M28a. Pour l'impression, pas de problème, mais impossible
de scanner, que ce soit en installant depuis les dépôts ou depuis les
fichiers fournis par HP.

J'arrive désormais a scanner ( parfois, mais pas toujours ) depuis une
VM avec une xubuntu et toute une installation des pilotes de chez HP!

XSane et Canon i-SENSYS MF643Cdw

[Bruno Volpi]

Bonjour,

j'ai toujours eu des imprimantes HP et je me demande encore pourquoi 
j'ai voulu changer pour une Canon ( prix des consommables ?? ) et là je 
regrette.


Impossible de voir cette imprimante dans XSane .

la réponse du support Canon ->  installer les pilotes , comme si je 
n'avais pas commencer par là .


pour UFR II/UFRII LT Printer Driver for Linux V5.10  pas de problème,  
mais aucun changement


et pour CQue  4.0.5  .deb  :

localhost [127.0.0.1] 631 (ipp) opendpkg: erreur de traitement du paquet 
cque-fr (--install) :
 installed cque-fr package post-installation script subprocess returned 
error exit status 127

Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 cque-fr

et en plus il me pourri apt-get donc obliger de faire

sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq cque-fr

sinon impossible d'installer quoique ce soit d'autre.

Si quelqu'un à une idée géniale et qui fonctionne , sinon je vais devoir 
acheter une autre MFP .


Merci à vous


Bruno

Thunderbird reageert soms niet

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hoi,

Heb sinds een paar dagen een raar probleem met Thunderbird. Het reageert 
soms enige tijd niet. De machine heeft dan een hoge load, Thunderbird op 
100%. Andere applicaties reageren gewoon. Na een paar minuten werkt 
alles weer goed en snel.


Ik heb al een restart van Thunderbird gedaan met alle add-ons disabled, 
maar heb het probleem dan nog steeds.


Heb de machine gereboot maar helpt niet

Heb het checken van de IMAP elke 10 minuten uitgezet, maar helpt niet.

Heb wat dingen uitgezet die misschien van invloed kunnen zijn, zoals het 
automatisch wissen van oude berichten uit een grote mailbox.


In de activity manager zie ik soms "deleted one message from Drafts", 
geen idee wat dat is. Ik heb niets gewist uit de prullenbak, en er is 
volgens mij ook geen instelling die berichten uit Drafts wist.


Iemand een idee wat er aan de hand is, of hoe ik het probleem debug?

Groeten,
Paul




--
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Stefan Monnier]

>>What he meant is that filesystem UUIDs are (re)created automatically
>>based on a heuristic of what it means for a filesystem to be "the same".
> You understand that he didn't actually say that, right? This seems like your
> own personal bugaboo instead.

Definitely.

> I dislike using names becaues it's *much* more common to find name
> collisions than UUID collisions. (E.g., a bunch of disks with 
> filesystems all labeled with easy to remember names like "root" or "home".)

Yes, that happens frequently with filesystem labels, which is why I much
prefer LVM names.

> LVM is more resistant to that as long as you keep the vg names unique.

Indeed, my VG names are always unique and descriptive.

> I'm trying to think of a reason to rename the root partition that doesn't
> involve downtime and coming up empty. 

The root partition is always called "root", which is why I was talking
about renaming the VGs rather the LVs.

Yes, it usually involves downtime for some other related reason, but
every time I've had to change a VG's name it would have been *much* more
convenient to do it while the system is up (e.g. would have shortened
the downtime and the administration time noticeably).

Renaming the root VG is really the only case where I find LVM names to
be a point of friction.


Stefan

Re: OT red por cable con portal captivo sin trafico interno.

[Ramses]

El 5 de febrero de 2020 14:12:23 CET, Antonio Trujillo Carmona 
 escribió:
>El 28/1/20 a las 8:42, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:
>>     En nuestro hospital tenemos una VLan de gracia para los equipos
>no
>> identificados.
>> Debido al abuso que se hace de esa vlan nos estamos planteando poner
>un
>> portal de validación y anular el trafico interno.
>> No se trata tanto de bloquear o filtrar usuarios como de evitar que
>se
>> puedan conectar dispositivos electromédicos u OT a la red, por lo que
>no
>> es importante el nivel de seguridad, cualquier elección haría que un
>> dispositivo automático fallara en adquirir red, que es lo que
>buscamos.
>> Los conmutadores (HP procurbe) solo admiten 2 de 3 posibles formas de
>> acceso y tienen activado el filtrado 802.1x y por MAC, por lo que no
>se
>> puede activar el acceso web.
>> ¿Alguna idea?
>>
>Al final hemos decidido que la solución es muy compleja y puede
>probocar
>fallos en el sistema, por lo que vamos a eliminar la VLAN y quien lo
>necesite que se conecte por WIFI.
>
>Muchas gracias por los apuntes.

Buenas... 

¿Y lo de que no se vean entre los equipos? 


Saludos, 

Ramsés

Re: 3200G Ryzen 3 / Vega 8 for Buster?

[Felix Miata]

Sven Joachim composed on 2020-02-05 11:51 (UTC+0100):

> On 2020-02-05 02:55 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

>> Is it enough to upgrade to buster-backports kernel and AMD firmware to run 
>> Xorg on
>> the 3200G CPU/APU?

> That should be enough, at least to get a picture on the screen and run
> X.  I am not sure about 3D acceleration, this might need a newer Mesa
> version than in buster, and there is no backport yet.

>> The R7 Kaveri motherboard/APU of a friend who is virtually
>> blind fried. When he has hardware trouble, it's me gets to figure out howto 
>> and
>> fix it. He bought the new goodies on assumption they are enough for support 
>> from
>> Stable, but apparently that's not the case. X is not able to run, as 
>> Xorg.0.log
>> reports there is no framebuffer device or /dev/dri/card0.

> Support for the 3200G was added in Linux 4.20 and buster uses 4.19, so
> this is to be expected.
I have also openSUSE 15.1 and 15.2alpha on the same PC. 15.2 works fine. 15.1
differs little in behavior from Buster, and 15.2's 5.3.18 kernel doesn't help
booted to 15.1.

Is Bullseye due this year? All I could find says no release date set. :(
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Boot path sur HP

[hamster]

Le 05/02/2020 à 14:55, Jean Bernon a écrit :
> Précision : Windows est installé en legacy et linux en UEFI.

Voila la source de ton problème.

Si windaube est en légacy, alors installe linux en légacy aussi et ca
marchera tout seul.

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Michael Stone]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 07:04:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:

Me too, so I usually label the permanent stuff at least. UUID's can and
will change for no detectable reason.

For those reading along or finding this in search results: no, filesystem
UUIDs don't change for no detectable reason. Don't implement anything based
on this theory.


What he meant is that filesystem UUIDs are (re)created automatically
based on a heuristic of what it means for a filesystem to be "the same".


You understand that he didn't actually say that, right? This seems like 
your own personal bugaboo instead. 


While I'm sure this can be managed by explicitly setting UUIDs, I've
found it much more pleasant to manage explicit names (I personally
prefer LVM names over filesystem labels, but filesystem labels work well
for those filesystems I don't put under LVM).  Not only I can pronounce
them and they carry meaning, but they tend to be much more visible (and
hence easier to manipulate).


I dislike using names becaues it's *much* more common to find name 
collisions than UUID collisions. (E.g., a bunch of disks with 
filesystems all labeled with easy to remember names like "root" or 
"home".) Reboot with a couple of those in your system on a 
label-oriented configuration and you may have a very bad day. LVM is 
more resistant to that as long as you keep the vg names unique. (Call 
everything vg0 and you're back to having a bad day.)


On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 10:19:25PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:

PS: The only problem with LVM names is that Linux doesn't let you
rename a volume group while it's active (at least last time I tried),
which makes it painful to rename the volume group in which lives your
root partition.

How painful is it to dd a live cd, boot from it and rename?


Very.  It's called "downtime".
Every time you have to reboot, it means your OS has somewhat failed you.


I'm trying to think of a reason to rename the root partition that 
doesn't involve downtime and coming up empty. 

Boot path sur HP

[Jean Bernon]

Bonjour,

Dans le cadre d'un atelier "logiciels libres", j'ai installé pour quelqu'un 
Linux Mint en dual boot (pas tout à fait, voir la suite) sur un ancien HP 
Probook 4740s. L'installateur ne détectait pas Windows et voulait occuper tout 
le disque. J'ai donc créé avec gparted des partitions pour Linux dans l'espace 
réellement libre. L'installation s'est déroulée normalement et les partitions 
Windows sont accessibles depuis Linux. Mais le boot est HS pour Windows et très 
compliqué pour Linux (F9,Boot EFI,...). Précision : Windows est installé en 
legacy et linux en UEFI.

J'aimerais livrer au propriétaire du HP un système qui démarre normalement. Il 
existe dans le BIOS un choix "customized boot" qui permet d'entrer un boot path 
customisé. Ce chemin est \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi sur la partition /dev/sda7 et 
c'est celui qui démarre linux via la suite F9 etc... Mais quelle que soit la 
manière dont j'entre ce boot path, "\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi" ou 
"fs7:\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi" (j'ai même tenté "ACPI(PNP0A03" rejeté parce 
que trop long), l'image de boot n'est pas trouvée.

J'ai beaucoup cherché et même vu un message signalant exactement le même 
problème, mais resté sans réponse. L'un d'entre vous aurait-il une suggestion ?

Cordialement
Jean

Re: Several issues with Xorg in debian/testing

[James Daldry]

Hi, Hans
I've had similar problems for the past couple years with 2 laptops
with Intel graphics. The problem is that someone on the kernel team
was jealous of the pretty Windows startup screens so they HAD to bring
them to Linux. So they put graphic mode setting in the kernel. So now
the graphic situation in Linux is like - if you consider your graphic
driver as Rembrandt painting pretty pictures on your screen, the
kernel is now like an 8 year old boy with attention deficit disorder
and a paintbrush, putting splotches and stripes on the canvas. You can
reduce the effects by modifying the /etc/default/grub file. Before you
modify the file, be sure you are familiar with logging in as root in
tty1 thru tty6 and re-editing the file with vi or nano to get X back.
Look at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 and
https://askubuntu.com/questions/618169.

Good luck
Jim Daldry
Raleigh NC


On 2/5/20, Hans  wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> since almost 3 months I am noticing several issues, with xserver based
> applications.
>
> Please notice, that all the following described issues appeared all at once
>
> and all on different systems. Please also note, that the different systems I
> am
> mentioning are 32-bit as well as 64-bit and got different graphic cards.
>
> And please note, that on all systems the same package versions are running.
>
> The issues:
>
> 1. On my EEEPC,  X is running rather unstable. When hovering the mouse over
>
> the taskbar, then the window manager is flickering and sometimes
> reinitialises
> within a second. This is mostly seen in plasma (which of course needs most
> performance), but also appears in LXDE (but quite seldom).
>
> 2. On my other notebook, which is using a Nvidia graphics card, it appears,
>
> when plasma is starting while I am in another console (i.e. tty 2), and the
>
> switch to console 7 (where X is started), then it appears, that letters from
>
> the description of the icons or in the taskbar are disappeared. But not all,
>
> only a few. So for example there is not the word "wireshark", but the word
> "w r s har ". Also the numbers for the different virtual desktops are gone.
>
> This issue is not only related to the icon names, but to all text.
>
> When starting plasma while switched to tty7 this issue never happens.
>
> You may think, this is a plasma problem, however, I believe, it appears
> especially in plasma, because plasma needs the most ressources.
>
> I would file a bugreport, but I am not exatly sure, which package is
> responsible for these issues. Is it X? Plasma? Libs? They all play together,
>
> but maybe someone did notice these things also.
>
> Last but not least, it looks like a system problem, as both computers got
> very
> different hardware - the EEEPC is 32-bit and has a i915 graphics chip,
> whilst
> the Acer is 64-bit and has a Nvidia GF8600 card.
>
> Both are running debian/testing.
>
> Thank you for reading this, and if someone discovered these things, too, I
> would be happy this to be confirmed.
>
> Best regards
>
> Hans

Re: CVE : Vulnérabilités signalées par mail dans mbox

[Sébastien NOBILI]

31 janvier 2020 19:08 "TScholler"  a écrit:

> Je ne sais pas trop quel est le problème mais je crois comprendre qu'il me 
> signale des
> vulnérabilités sur des paquets obsolètes mais je ne sais pas quoi faire.

[...]

> Malheureusement rien n'a changé, j'ai toujours le même contenu dans mbox même 
> après un reboot.
> Quelqu'un-e aurait-il-elle une idée svp?

C'est un état des vulnérabilités connues (et pas encore corrigées) sur Buster.
C'est le paquet `debsecan` qui prépare cette liste et te l'envoie.

apt purge debsecan

Et tu seras tranquille.

Sébastien

Re: OT red por cable con portal captivo sin trafico interno.

[Antonio Trujillo Carmona]

El 28/1/20 a las 8:42, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:
>     En nuestro hospital tenemos una VLan de gracia para los equipos no
> identificados.
> Debido al abuso que se hace de esa vlan nos estamos planteando poner un
> portal de validación y anular el trafico interno.
> No se trata tanto de bloquear o filtrar usuarios como de evitar que se
> puedan conectar dispositivos electromédicos u OT a la red, por lo que no
> es importante el nivel de seguridad, cualquier elección haría que un
> dispositivo automático fallara en adquirir red, que es lo que buscamos.
> Los conmutadores (HP procurbe) solo admiten 2 de 3 posibles formas de
> acceso y tienen activado el filtrado 802.1x y por MAC, por lo que no se
> puede activar el acceso web.
> ¿Alguna idea?
>
Al final hemos decidido que la solución es muy compleja y puede probocar
fallos en el sistema, por lo que vamos a eliminar la VLAN y quien lo
necesite que se conecte por WIFI.

Muchas gracias por los apuntes.





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Re: Cuda sdk for Debian?

[An Liu]

Linux-Fan，Mark

Thanks for the sharing，I‘ll check it out in non-free repo，and dive into
chroot as a backup.

cheers



On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 13:35 Mark Allums  wrote:

>
>
> On 2/5/2020 2:37 AM, An Liu wrote:
> > Hi，
> >
> > As there is no Cuda offical support for debian from NVIDIA，anyone
> > could share any Cuda experience.
> >
> >
> It's in non-free.  Enable non-free in sources.list and apt update.
>
> --
Liu An

Re: Actualizaciones en Buster

[Andrés Benevento]

Gracias Deiby voy a intentarlo y cualquier cosa escribiré nuevamente. Saludos!

On feb. 5 2020, at 10:01 am, Deiby Herrera  wrote:
> Intenta un sudo apt update luego upgrade al parecer tienes algun error, con 
> los.modulos del.kernel pero.saber.cual? Y el sistema lo toma como un update 
> critico y.por ello.te.pide reiniciar prueba reinstalando el kernel
>
> El mié., 5 feb. 2020 6:34 a. m., Andrés Benevento  (mailto:ahbeneve...@gmail.com)> escribió:
> > Hola, gracias por contestar. La instalación la hice desde un live. Ahí van 
> > los datos que me pides:
> >
> > OS: Debian 10 buster
> > Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-6-amd64
> > Shell: zsh 5.7.1
> > Resolution: 2732x768
> > DE: GNOME
> > WM: GNOME Shell
> > WM Theme:
> > GTK Theme: Adwaita [GTK2/3]
> > Icon Theme: Adwaita
> > Font: Cantarell 11
> >
> > Gracias!
> > On feb. 5 2020, at 9:29 am, Deiby Herrera  > (mailto:vjrd...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > Extrañoprueba apt-get update o aptitude y que imagen de debian usó 
> > > para la instalación? live o el primer dvd/iso y que version de kernel 
> > > tienes y cual escritorio? No deberia hacsr eso
> > >
> > > El mié., 5 feb. 2020 6:22 a. m., Andrés Benevento  > > (mailto:ahbeneve...@gmail.com)> escribió:
> > > > Hola gente, estoy usando Buster y cada vez que ejecuto sudo apt update 
> > > > o simplemente hay nuevas actualizaciones, la aplicación Software me 
> > > > informa que es necesario reiniciar. Este funcionamiento es siempre así? 
> > > > Me ha pasdo siempre, hoy actualizando Chrome o incluso QOwnNotes.
> > > >
> > > > Saludos!!!
> > > > Andrés.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [1/2HS] Mysql et le symbole Euro €

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Bonjour,

4 février 2020 17:40 ajh.val...@free.fr a écrit:

> Lorsque je fais un update ou insert sql,
> cotisation='30 ' qui devient sous phpmyadmin : 30¤

Les entités HTML (les codes "&...;") sont des codes purement ASCII permettant
de représenter un caractère non-ASCII. Si "" ne s'affiche pas bien,
c'est que tu es confronté à un problème d'affichage et non pas d'interprétation
'encodage) du caractère.

> Serait-ce phpmyadmin ?

Étant donné le point précédent, tu peux exclure la responsabilité de MySQL.

Ça peut venir :

- de phpmyadmin
- du serveur Web
- de ton navigateur
- de la police utilisée par ton système

Personnellement, je commencerais par :

- vérifier que le symbole s'affiche bien dans le navigateur
  https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/20ac/browsertest.htm
- vérifier que la page est bien transmise en UTF8
  dans le code source de la page : 
- vérifier que le serveur Web indique bien que la page est en UTF8
  dans un terminal : curl -I 
  vérifier que : content-type: text/html;charset=utf-8

Si tout ça est OK, alors c'est un problème de police.
Si l'un des deux derniers points indique un encodage ISO, alors corriger la 
conf.
pour tout passer en UTF8 (on est au 21ème siècle quand-même !)

Sébastien

Re: Actualizaciones en Buster

[Deiby Herrera]

Intenta un sudo apt update luego upgrade al parecer tienes algun error, con
los.modulos del.kernel pero.saber.cual? Y el sistema lo toma como un update
critico y.por ello.te.pide reiniciar prueba reinstalando el kernel

El mié., 5 feb. 2020 6:34 a. m., Andrés Benevento 
escribió:

> Hola, gracias por contestar. La instalación la hice desde un live. Ahí van
> los datos que me pides:
>
> OS: Debian 10 buster
> Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-6-amd64
> Shell: zsh 5.7.1
> Resolution: 2732x768
> DE: GNOME
> WM: GNOME Shell
> WM Theme:
> GTK Theme: Adwaita [GTK2/3]
> Icon Theme: Adwaita
> Font: Cantarell 11
>
> Gracias!
>
> On feb. 5 2020, at 9:29 am, Deiby Herrera  wrote:
>
> Extrañoprueba apt-get update o aptitude y que imagen de debian usó
> para la instalación? live o el primer dvd/iso y que version de kernel
> tienes y cual escritorio? No deberia hacsr eso
>
> El mié., 5 feb. 2020 6:22 a. m., Andrés Benevento 
> escribió:
>
> Hola gente, estoy usando Buster y cada vez que ejecuto sudo apt update o
> simplemente hay nuevas actualizaciones, la aplicación Software me informa
> que es necesario reiniciar. Este funcionamiento es siempre así? Me ha pasdo
> siempre, hoy actualizando Chrome o incluso QOwnNotes.
>
> Saludos!!!
> Andrés.
>
>

Re: Cuda sdk for Debian?

[Mark Allums]

On 2/5/2020 2:37 AM, An Liu wrote:

Hi，

As there is no Cuda offical support for debian from NVIDIA，anyone 
could share any Cuda experience.




It's in non-free.  Enable non-free in sources.list and apt update.

Re: Actualizaciones en Buster

[Andrés Benevento]

Hola, gracias por contestar. La instalación la hice desde un live. Ahí van los 
datos que me pides:

OS: Debian 10 buster
Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-6-amd64
Shell: zsh 5.7.1
Resolution: 2732x768
DE: GNOME
WM: GNOME Shell
WM Theme:
GTK Theme: Adwaita [GTK2/3]
Icon Theme: Adwaita
Font: Cantarell 11

Gracias!
On feb. 5 2020, at 9:29 am, Deiby Herrera  wrote:
> Extrañoprueba apt-get update o aptitude y que imagen de debian usó para 
> la instalación? live o el primer dvd/iso y que version de kernel tienes y 
> cual escritorio? No deberia hacsr eso
>
> El mié., 5 feb. 2020 6:22 a. m., Andrés Benevento  (mailto:ahbeneve...@gmail.com)> escribió:
> > Hola gente, estoy usando Buster y cada vez que ejecuto sudo apt update o 
> > simplemente hay nuevas actualizaciones, la aplicación Software me informa 
> > que es necesario reiniciar. Este funcionamiento es siempre así? Me ha pasdo 
> > siempre, hoy actualizando Chrome o incluso QOwnNotes.
> >
> > Saludos!!!
> > Andrés.
>
>
>

Re: Actualizaciones en Buster

[Deiby Herrera]

Extrañoprueba apt-get update o aptitude y que imagen de debian usó para
la instalación? live o el primer dvd/iso y que version de kernel tienes y
cual escritorio? No deberia hacsr eso

El mié., 5 feb. 2020 6:22 a. m., Andrés Benevento 
escribió:

> Hola gente, estoy usando Buster y cada vez que ejecuto sudo apt update o
> simplemente hay nuevas actualizaciones, la aplicación Software me informa
> que es necesario reiniciar. Este funcionamiento es siempre así? Me ha pasdo
> siempre, hoy actualizando Chrome o incluso QOwnNotes.
>
> Saludos!!!
> Andrés.
>

Actualizaciones en Buster

[Andrés Benevento]

Hola gente, estoy usando Buster y cada vez que ejecuto sudo apt update o 
simplemente hay nuevas actualizaciones, la aplicación Software me informa que 
es necesario reiniciar. Este funcionamiento es siempre así? Me ha pasdo 
siempre, hoy actualizando Chrome o incluso QOwnNotes.

Saludos!!!
Andrés.

Several issues with Xorg in debian/testing

[Hans]

Dear list, 

since almost 3 months I am noticing several issues, with xserver based 
applications. 

Please notice, that all the following described issues appeared all at once 
and all on different systems. Please also note, that the different systems I am 
mentioning are 32-bit as well as 64-bit and got different graphic cards.

And please note, that on all systems the same package versions are running.

The issues:

1. On my EEEPC,  X is running rather unstable. When hovering the mouse over 
the taskbar, then the window manager is flickering and sometimes reinitialises 
within a second. This is mostly seen in plasma (which of course needs most 
performance), but also appears in LXDE (but quite seldom).

2. On my other notebook, which is using a Nvidia graphics card, it appears, 
when plasma is starting while I am in another console (i.e. tty 2), and the 
switch to console 7 (where X is started), then it appears, that letters from 
the description of the icons or in the taskbar are disappeared. But not all, 
only a few. So for example there is not the word "wireshark", but the word 
"w r s har ". Also the numbers for the different virtual desktops are gone. 
This issue is not only related to the icon names, but to all text.

When starting plasma while switched to tty7 this issue never happens.

You may think, this is a plasma problem, however, I believe, it appears 
especially in plasma, because plasma needs the most ressources.

I would file a bugreport, but I am not exatly sure, which package is 
responsible for these issues. Is it X? Plasma? Libs? They all play together, 
but maybe someone did notice these things also.

Last but not least, it looks like a system problem, as both computers got very 
different hardware - the EEEPC is 32-bit and has a i915 graphics chip, whilst 
the Acer is 64-bit and has a Nvidia GF8600 card. 

Both are running debian/testing.

Thank you for reading this, and if someone discovered these things, too, I 
would be happy this to be confirmed.

Best regards

Hans  

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Re: Cuda sdk for Debian?

[Linux-Fan]

An Liu writes:


Hi，

As there is no Cuda offical support for debian from NVIDIA，anyone could share  
any Cuda experience.


Or does install media for Ubuntu work for Debian


[...]

Hello,

last time I used CUDA was in 2016 so this knowledge might be outdated.

Back then, I ran the CUDA SDK in a chroot and that worked well. Note that I  
only ever ran the tools and compiler, not the actual applications because  
these were sent to a cluster for computation.


Unfortunately, I cannot recall, if it was an Ubuntu or Debian chroot, but  
Debian is quite likely.


The other thing is: As it seems, (today) CUDA is also packaged in the non- 
free section of Debian, so you might try out installing this package first:

nvidia-cuda-toolkit.

HTH
Linux-Fan 


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Re: 3200G Ryzen 3 / Vega 8 for Buster?

[Dan Ritter]

Felix Miata wrote: 
> Is it enough to upgrade to buster-backports kernel and AMD firmware to run 
> Xorg on
> the 3200G CPU/APU? The R7 Kaveri motherboard/APU of a friend who is virtually
> blind fried. When he has hardware trouble, it's me gets to figure out howto 
> and
> fix it. He bought the new goodies on assumption they are enough for support 
> from
> Stable, but apparently that's not the case. X is not able to run, as 
> Xorg.0.log
> reports there is no framebuffer device or /dev/dri/card0.

Running a 3400G with buster. 

linux-image-amd64: buster-backports
libdrm-amdgpu1: buster
xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu: buster
firmware-amd-gpu: buster-backports

in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "amdgpu"
BusID   "PCI:4:0:0"

I think that's all the important bits.

-dsr-

Re: 3200G Ryzen 3 / Vega 8 for Buster?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2020-02-05 02:55 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

> Is it enough to upgrade to buster-backports kernel and AMD firmware to run 
> Xorg on
> the 3200G CPU/APU?

That should be enough, at least to get a picture on the screen and run
X.  I am not sure about 3D acceleration, this might need a newer Mesa
version than in buster, and there is no backport yet.

> The R7 Kaveri motherboard/APU of a friend who is virtually
> blind fried. When he has hardware trouble, it's me gets to figure out howto 
> and
> fix it. He bought the new goodies on assumption they are enough for support 
> from
> Stable, but apparently that's not the case. X is not able to run, as 
> Xorg.0.log
> reports there is no framebuffer device or /dev/dri/card0.

Support for the 3200G was added in Linux 4.20 and buster uses 4.19, so
this is to be expected.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Why I don't like UUIDs (Re: can't mount sdf1 in stretch, gparted claims its fat32)

[Curt]

>>> Me too, so I usually label the permanent stuff at least. UUID's can and
>>> will change for no detectable reason.
>> For those reading along or finding this in search results: no, filesystem
>> UUIDs don't change for no detectable reason. Don't implement anything based
>> on this theory.
>
> What he meant is that filesystem UUIDs are (re)created automatically

Your "analysis" appears to be more like what you want to mean than
what Gene was meaning.

> based on a heuristic of what it means for a filesystem to be "the same".

> This heuristic can be wrong in both directions: sometimes you delete and
>create a new filesystem which is supposed to "be" the same filesystem as

This seems like an eminently detectable reason for a UUID change to me.

-- 
"J'ai pour me guérir du jugement des autres toute la distance qui me sépare de
moi." Antonin Artaud

Re: 3200G Ryzen 3 / Vega 8 for Buster?

[Andrea Borgia]

Il 05/02/20 08:55, Felix Miata ha scritto:


Is it enough to upgrade to buster-backports kernel and AMD firmware to run Xorg 
on
the 3200G CPU/APU? The R7 Kaveri motherboard/APU of a friend who is virtually
blind fried. When he has hardware trouble, it's me gets to figure out howto and
fix it. He bought the new goodies on assumption they are enough for support from
Stable, but apparently that's not the case. X is not able to run, as Xorg.0.log
reports there is no framebuffer device or /dev/dri/card0.


Haven't tried Stable because I moved to Testing before I upgraded the hw 
about a year ago but you might have some luck with these kernels and 
firmware: https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries


Nowadays I'm on the standard kernel from Testing and all is well.

Regards,
Andrea.

Re: Can I restore grub in this scenario

[Hans]

Am Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2020, 10:18:01 CET schrieb Klaus Singvogel:
Try the "Supergrub"-Disk. Or you can also use "Trinity Rescue Kit", on which 
is also a good desription, how to restore grub or lilo.

If you get the Trinity-Livesystem started with its own grub (there is an 
option in its boot menu), and you have set the correct root device (i.e. grub 
command "root=/dev/sda1"), then you can just do an "update-grub" in the 
started debian and you are gone.

I suppose, there are many more ways, to restore grub, but these arer mine.

Best regards

Hans 

> Hello,
> 
> depending on your hardware, and how you installed it: GRUB in MBR or as
> active partition.
> 
> At my desktop PC, I've to configure the (UEFI-)Bios that Debian is again to
> be choosen as first booted system.
> 
> On my Laptop... well, there is no windows. :-)
> 
> Regards,
>   Klaus.
> 
> kaye n wrote:
> > Hello Friends!
> > 
> > Suppose I installed Debian first followed by Windows 10.   The GRUB will
> > be
> > overwritten, correct?
> > 
> > How do I get it back? Do I boot a Debian live USB?  Does a Debian live USB
> > have a tool where I can easily install GRUB in the mbr?  (then it would
> > detect the windows os, if not then I execute sudo update-grub)
> > 
> > Thank you for your time.
> > kaye



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Re: Can I restore grub in this scenario

[Klaus Singvogel]

Hello,

depending on your hardware, and how you installed it: GRUB in MBR or as
active partition.

At my desktop PC, I've to configure the (UEFI-)Bios that Debian is again to
be choosen as first booted system.

On my Laptop... well, there is no windows. :-)

Regards,
Klaus.

kaye n wrote:
> Hello Friends!
> 
> Suppose I installed Debian first followed by Windows 10.   The GRUB will be
> overwritten, correct?
> 
> How do I get it back? Do I boot a Debian live USB?  Does a Debian live USB
> have a tool where I can easily install GRUB in the mbr?  (then it would
> detect the windows os, if not then I execute sudo update-grub)
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> kaye

-- 
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Can I restore grub in this scenario

[kaye n]

Hello Friends!

Suppose I installed Debian first followed by Windows 10.   The GRUB will be
overwritten, correct?

How do I get it back? Do I boot a Debian live USB?  Does a Debian live USB
have a tool where I can easily install GRUB in the mbr?  (then it would
detect the windows os, if not then I execute sudo update-grub)

Thank you for your time.
kaye

Cuda sdk for Debian?

[An Liu]

Hi，

As there is no Cuda offical support for debian from NVIDIA，anyone could
share any Cuda experience.

Or does install media for Ubuntu work for Debian

Thanks



-- 
Liu An