[?]Last Mile problem enabling Bluetooth Device on Lenovo Laptop

[Susmita/Rajib]

To,
The Team Debian-User,
debian-user@lists.debian.org,
Debian.org

My dear illustrious Team Leaders,

Good morning.

Model (India): Lenovo IdeaPad 320-15ISK 80XH01FKIN 15.6-inch Laptop
(6th Gen Core i3-6006U/4GB/2TB/Integrated Graphics), Platinum Grey
The OSes are Debian (Stretch) 9.11.0 Lxde and Knoppix 8.6.0, in 64-bit
operation.

All details/specifications of my used Lenovo laptop are also in the
Debian Forums post (to
avoid clutter and maintain centralised notes).

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7=146606=722991

I assure you that, as always, I shall post a [Solved] reply in the
Debian Forums at the end of this experience for future users.

Regards,
Rajib Bandopadhyay
A dedicated Debian and Knoppix user

Re: new camera

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 27 June 2020 20:26:33 songbird wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> ...
>
> > Thanks songbird.  Stay well and safe now.
>
>   thanks to you too.  i'm doing ok but life here just
> got stirred up a bit and so i'll have to do twice the
> work i had to do before.  luckily, we are planted and
> into a more reasonable time where the really hard work
> is just getting some things weeded and mowed.
>
>   normally i am a near hermit and don't get out much.
> that will be changing as i have to run errands now and
> then.
>
>   as for linux/debian stuff, heh, i won't have the
> concentration or energy for it any time soon other
> than very easy stuff i can figure out in a few minutes.
>
>   i have a few bugs to poke at but i'm not making
> progress as i'm so out of practice with C and this is
> old code i've mostly ignored for a few years.
>
I hear that, L & C. I did a lot of stuff in C and ARexx, on the Amiga 
25-30 years ago.  Rusty doesn't even come close to describing me now.  
It wasn't any help to my thinker when I had a pulmonary embolism 6 years 
back. I don't recommend that as a way to die. Survival rate is about 2%.

But, I'm still here...  Pace yourself.
>   songbird


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Miles Fidelman]

On 6/27/20 11:56 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:



On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 8:08 PM Fred > wrote:


On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more
of them
> and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster.
> https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when
it comes
> to configuring & assembling Supermicro components (and suggesting
> specific configurations).  You might also look into Ganeti as a
cluster
> management package (open source, originated at google for internal
> use).  Same horsepower & quality as a Dell or HP server, at a
> considerably lower price.
>
> I've been running Debian this way, in a data center, for at least a
> decade. (Note:  I'm seriously considering migrating from Debian
for our
> next refresh - I really don't like systemd - might go all the
way to BSD
> or an OpenSolaris distro.)
>
> One other alternative:   A lot of people seem to swear by Mac
Minis as
> servers.  They're already BSD under the hood, and I've run all
kinds of
> Linux distros on Macs, under virtualization.  You should be able
to run
> Debian directly, though I've never tried it.
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
>
> On 6/26/2020 1:34 PM, echo test wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to
use aws
>>> or gcp.
>>>
>>> Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for
hosting
>>> a web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy
>>> some hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in
order to
>>> compare them but it seems that hardware vendors never want to
talk
>>> about Debian on their websites.
>>>
>>> Seriously, I prefer using my money for donating to the Debian
>>> foundation than having to pay for Ubuntu or Red Hat Enterprise
>>> because I love Debian and ...
>>>
>>> So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an
>>> enterprise context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or
Lenovo
>>> ThinkCenter which seems to never mention that they support
Debian.
>>> What kind of issues can I encounter with such hardwares except
simple
>>> cases like having to install missing drivers with some already
>>> available firmwares.
>>>
>>> Can you give me some alternative hardwares in case this idea
may take
>>> me to much time to solve ?
>>>
>>> Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft.
>>>
>>> Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my mother language
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>
To Miles Fidelman:
Devuan Linux is Debian with all traces of systemd removed.


+1

I run, both Devuan and Debian, on my multiple systems in my Apartment, 
with the idea of being conversant on both Technologies.


Best regards,
Fred


Kenneth Parker


Yes... but what ARE those systems, and how do they apply to the original 
poster's question?


Miles



--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Kenneth Parker]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 8:08 PM Fred  wrote:

> On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them
> > and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster.
> > https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when it comes
> > to configuring & assembling Supermicro components (and suggesting
> > specific configurations).  You might also look into Ganeti as a cluster
> > management package (open source, originated at google for internal
> > use).  Same horsepower & quality as a Dell or HP server, at a
> > considerably lower price.
> >
> > I've been running Debian this way, in a data center, for at least a
> > decade. (Note:  I'm seriously considering migrating from Debian for our
> > next refresh - I really don't like systemd - might go all the way to BSD
> > or an OpenSolaris distro.)
> >
> > One other alternative:   A lot of people seem to swear by Mac Minis as
> > servers.  They're already BSD under the hood, and I've run all kinds of
> > Linux distros on Macs, under virtualization.  You should be able to run
> > Debian directly, though I've never tried it.
> >
> > Miles Fidelman
> >
> >
> > On 6/26/2020 1:34 PM, echo test wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws
> >>> or gcp.
> >>>
> >>> Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting
> >>> a web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy
> >>> some hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to
> >>> compare them but it seems that hardware vendors never want to talk
> >>> about Debian on their websites.
> >>>
> >>> Seriously, I prefer using my money for donating to the Debian
> >>> foundation than having to pay for Ubuntu or Red Hat Enterprise
> >>> because I love Debian and ...
> >>>
> >>> So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an
> >>> enterprise context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo
> >>> ThinkCenter which seems to never mention that they support Debian.
> >>> What kind of issues can I encounter with such hardwares except simple
> >>> cases like having to install missing drivers with some already
> >>> available firmwares.
> >>>
> >>> Can you give me some alternative hardwares in case this idea may take
> >>> me to much time to solve ?
> >>>
> >>> Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my mother language
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >
> To Miles Fidelman:
> Devuan Linux is Debian with all traces of systemd removed.
>

+1

I run, both Devuan and Debian, on my multiple systems in my Apartment, with
the idea of being conversant on both Technologies.

Best regards,
> Fred
>

Kenneth Parker

>

Re: new camera

[songbird]

Gene Heskett wrote:
...
> Thanks songbird.  Stay well and safe now.

  thanks to you too.  i'm doing ok but life here just
got stirred up a bit and so i'll have to do twice the
work i had to do before.  luckily, we are planted and
into a more reasonable time where the really hard work
is just getting some things weeded and mowed.

  normally i am a near hermit and don't get out much.
that will be changing as i have to run errands now and
then.

  as for linux/debian stuff, heh, i won't have the 
concentration or energy for it any time soon other 
than very easy stuff i can figure out in a few minutes.

  i have a few bugs to poke at but i'm not making
progress as i'm so out of practice with C and this is
old code i've mostly ignored for a few years.


  songbird

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Fred]

On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them 
and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster. 
https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when it comes 
to configuring & assembling Supermicro components (and suggesting 
specific configurations).  You might also look into Ganeti as a cluster 
management package (open source, originated at google for internal 
use).  Same horsepower & quality as a Dell or HP server, at a 
considerably lower price.


I've been running Debian this way, in a data center, for at least a 
decade. (Note:  I'm seriously considering migrating from Debian for our 
next refresh - I really don't like systemd - might go all the way to BSD 
or an OpenSolaris distro.)


One other alternative:   A lot of people seem to swear by Mac Minis as 
servers.  They're already BSD under the hood, and I've run all kinds of 
Linux distros on Macs, under virtualization.  You should be able to run 
Debian directly, though I've never tried it.


Miles Fidelman


On 6/26/2020 1:34 PM, echo test wrote:

Hello,

First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws 
or gcp.


Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting 
a web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy 
some hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to 
compare them but it seems that hardware vendors never want to talk 
about Debian on their websites.


Seriously, I prefer using my money for donating to the Debian 
foundation than having to pay for Ubuntu or Red Hat Enterprise 
because I love Debian and ...


So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an 
enterprise context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo 
ThinkCenter which seems to never mention that they support Debian. 
What kind of issues can I encounter with such hardwares except simple 
cases like having to install missing drivers with some already 
available firmwares.


Can you give me some alternative hardwares in case this idea may take 
me to much time to solve ?


Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft.

Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my mother language

Thank you.



To Miles Fidelman:
Devuan Linux is Debian with all traces of systemd removed.
Best regards,
Fred

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Dan Ritter]

Miles Fidelman wrote: 
> One other alternative: A lot of people seem to swear by Mac Minis as
> servers.?? They're already BSD under the hood, and I've run all kinds of
> Linux distros on Macs, under virtualization.?? You should be able to run
> Debian directly, though I've never tried it.

I don't recommend them.

They are not designed for good airflow. They use laptop CPUs. In
the last few generations, they have no replaceable parts -- no
RAM changes, no SSD replacements.

(Technically you can replace the RAM on a 2018 or 2020. It's a
20-step procedure to get to "take the RAM out" and then the same
in reverse, all the while dealing with several sizes of tiny
screws and fragile components. If you already have one, it might 
be worthwhile, but I wouldn't want to plan on it.)

-dsr-

Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Dan Ritter]

Nicolas George wrote: 
> Dan Ritter (12020-06-27):
> > No problems with this, or the 3400G (4-core sibling) or the
> > 2700x, or the 3600, or any of the EPYC series (Ryzen for
> > servers).
> 
> Thank you. Just to be sure: GPU too?

Yes. You'll need the amd firmware package and the amdgpu Xorg
server.

> My rule of thumb for when to stop asking "will this work" is: when the
> information is easily found on the web. With the counterpart: if I have
> the info, I try to remember to make it available.

Now it's in this message, which is archived and searchable!

-dsr-

Re: new camera

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 27 June 2020 14:50:09 Reco wrote:

>   Hi.
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 04:20:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > [598962.015764] uvcvideo 1-12.4.4.4:1.0: Entity type for entity
> > Camera 1 was not initialized!
>
> This, combined with [1], gives us the probable answer.
> Another possible answer is that "quirks" parameter of uvcvideo.
>
> > Anybody have an idea of what driver this camera needs?
>
> A *driver*? You already have one, it's uvcvideo. It says so in your
> dmesg, plain and clear as a day.
> Much better question is - what *userspace* part the thing needs? And
> the answer to that is:
>
> apt-get install uvcdynctrl
>
On the machine it must function with:

gene@GO704:~$ sudo apt-get install uvcdynctrl
[sudo] password for gene:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
uvcdynctrl is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Running it with sudo, asking for a -l returns: From an old camera still 
plugged in:

gene@GO704:~$ sudo uvcdynctrl -l
Listing available devices:
  video0   USB 2.0 PC Camera
Media controller device: /dev/media0
Entity 1: USB 2.0 PC Camera. Type: 65537, Revision: 0, Flags: 0, 
Group-id: 0, Pads: 1, Links: 0
  Device node
  Entity: 1, Pad 0, Flags: 1
Entity 2: Extension 6. Type: 131072, Revision: 0, Flags: 0, Group-id: 
0, Pads: 2, Links: 1
  Subdevice:   Entity: 2, Pad 0, Flags: 1
  Entity: 2, Pad 1, Flags: 2
  Out link: Source pad { Entity: 2, Index: 1, Flags: 2 } => Sink pad 
{ Entity: 1, Index: 0, Flags: 1 }
Entity 3: Processing 5. Type: 131072, Revision: 0, Flags: 0, 
Group-id: 0, Pads: 2, Links: 1
  Subdevice:   Entity: 3, Pad 0, Flags: 1
  Entity: 3, Pad 1, Flags: 2
  Out link: Source pad { Entity: 3, Index: 1, Flags: 2 } => Sink pad 
{ Entity: 2, Index: 0, Flags: 1 }
Entity 4: Selector 4. Type: 131072, Revision: 0, Flags: 0, Group-id: 
0, Pads: 2, Links: 1
  Subdevice:   Entity: 4, Pad 0, Flags: 1
  Entity: 4, Pad 1, Flags: 2
  Out link: Source pad { Entity: 4, Index: 1, Flags: 2 } => Sink pad 
{ Entity: 3, Index: 0, Flags: 1 }
Entity 5: Camera 1. Type: 131072, Revision: 0, Flags: 0, Group-id: 0, 
Pads: 1, Links: 1
  Subdevice:   Entity: 5, Pad 0, Flags: 2
  Out link: Source pad { Entity: 5, Index: 0, Flags: 2 } => Sink pad 
{ Entity: 4, Index: 0, Flags: 1 }

And that camera crashes when resized. I need to pick up an 80kg tool off 
the stepladder I'll use to access the rear usb-2 sockets and change to 
the newer camera on that machine. But I've been busy with 2 other 
projects today. Not done yet, my lathe is makeing a hub for a 3d printed 
timeing belt sprocket & has hours to go yet.

And I've rx'd a message from one of my sons who will arrive with his main 
squeeze tomorrow, so I may be busy tomorrow too. No clue how long they 
will stay, but I know he's up to his gonads with a large car, pulling a 
triple dump powder wagon full of Portland Cement for his states highway 
maint. dept.  Haven't seen them in about 5 years, so there will be some 
catchup to do.  He bought a whole town in Kansas from Fanny Mae, who 
wanted shed of it for an off key song, so there'll be pix to look at, at 
length etc.

> If stretch's uvcdynctrl won't cut it - that means you'll need buster's
> one, or maybe even bullseye's. And that will require upgrading your
> OS, of course.
>
> Reco
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111291


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: mails tagged as spam with alpine

[Karen Lewellen]

I imagine others have asked this.  still, your edition of Alpine is the 
most up to date?

It was just changed earlier this week.
Karen



On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:


all mails I send using alpine are tagged as spam.
As you can see, this doesn't occur with thunderbird
Is there a  way to get rid of this tagging?
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: new camera

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 27 June 2020 14:28:20 songbird wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Just got a new camera, fawcny endoscope, I intend to use for
> > machine.
> >
> > Moderately high priced, 5 Megapixel, autofocus.
> >
> > But this stretch machine can't find it amongst all the other usb
> > stuff. It doesn't have cheese, and vlc doesn't recognize it.
>
>   usually new devices lag drivers in linux enough that if
> you are not running a more recent kernel you may not get
> it to work.
>
>   might be worth trying with a newer kernel or a more
> recent distribution.
>
That won't happen until the developers get all the kinks worked out of a 
new 5.x.x kernel and RTAI.  But they are busting ass trying to make it 
work for buster as I write this...  Wheezy's semi-original 3.4.9 kernel 
was the last time it was stable. Even that claimed it was PAE capable, 
but never was, so its best with only 2 gigs of dram in a machine if you 
want to keep it out of swap.

And thats the sort of machine this camera has to work in.



>   that's all i can suggest.  :)  gl...
>
>
Thanks songbird.  Stay well and safe now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

[David Christensen]

On 2020-06-27 01:46, Andrei POPESCU wrote:


The latest recommendation I saw for "cheap flash based" storage is 4MiB
in order to align with erase block sizes, so now I'm starting all my
partitions at 4MiB instead of 1MiB.



Interesting subject -- thanks for bringing it up.  :-)


STFW there does not appear to be a "one size fits all" solution -- the 
"best" answer depends upon the specific storage device/ controller/ 
firmware version and specific OS/ kernel/ version.



Given my solid-state system drives are 16+ GB, losing 3 MiB by aligning 
the partitions at 4 MiB boundaries instead of 1 MiB boundaries is a 
small sacrifice; just in case it really does matter (now or in the future).



David

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

[David Christensen]

On 2020-06-27 12:47, David Christensen wrote:

The ATA secure erase command is 
designed to erase all blocks, both host-accessible and hidden.


STFW, "secure erase" (aka "security erase") is an older feature and may 
not erase all NAND blocks, just the "mapping table".  (When I have done 
this on my Intel SSD 520 Series devices and then dumped the entire drive 
with hexdump(1), the host reported all zeroes.  But, I have not 
disassembled a drive, removed the NAND chips, and put them into a NAND 
chip reader.)



There is a newer feature "sanitize' that is supposed to erase both the 
mapping table and all data storage NAND blocks:


https://www.micron.com/about/blog/2017/march/how-to-securely-erase-micron-sata-ssds

https://www.diskpart.com/articles/sanitize-or-secure-erase-ssd-4125.html

https://www.microcontrollertips.com/ssds-secure-erase-sanitize-faq/


David

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Miles Fidelman]

I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them 
and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster. 
https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when it comes 
to configuring & assembling Supermicro components (and suggesting 
specific configurations).  You might also look into Ganeti as a cluster 
management package (open source, originated at google for internal 
use).  Same horsepower & quality as a Dell or HP server, at a 
considerably lower price.


I've been running Debian this way, in a data center, for at least a 
decade. (Note:  I'm seriously considering migrating from Debian for our 
next refresh - I really don't like systemd - might go all the way to BSD 
or an OpenSolaris distro.)


One other alternative:   A lot of people seem to swear by Mac Minis as 
servers.  They're already BSD under the hood, and I've run all kinds of 
Linux distros on Macs, under virtualization.  You should be able to run 
Debian directly, though I've never tried it.


Miles Fidelman


On 6/26/2020 1:34 PM, echo test wrote:

Hello,

First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws 
or gcp.


Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting 
a web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy 
some hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to 
compare them but it seems that hardware vendors never want to talk 
about Debian on their websites.


Seriously, I prefer using my money for donating to the Debian 
foundation than having to pay for Ubuntu or Red Hat Enterprise 
because I love Debian and ...


So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an 
enterprise context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo 
ThinkCenter which seems to never mention that they support Debian. 
What kind of issues can I encounter with such hardwares except simple 
cases like having to install missing drivers with some already 
available firmwares.


Can you give me some alternative hardwares in case this idea may take 
me to much time to solve ?


Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft.

Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my mother language

Thank you.


--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown

Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Nicolas George]

Hi.

Georgi Naplatanov (12020-06-27):
> to be sure that you won't have problems with the mainboard and different
> controllers on it I would recommend you to test with live distribution
> on USB flash drive if this is possible.

I kind of hoped to make sure before getting my hands on the computer, to
avoid wasting time and shipping costs if it does not work.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

[David Christensen]

On 6/27/20 6:00 AM, David Christensen wrote:

On 2020-06-26 18:25, David Wright wrote:


There's still the problem of what one does about sensitive data if
one has been rash enough to write it unencrypted onto an SSD. Would
shred -n 1   be preferable? Not really, because that doesn't hit the
ex-file areas. What then?


The best option is to command the SSD firmware to do a "secure
delete". Some SSD manufacturers provide utilities for doing this.
Alternatively, it can be done from the command line with Linux.



On 2020-06-27 01:05, Admin4 wrote:
> 1) backup your data to external usb drive
>
> 2) reinstall with encrypted enabled
>
> 3) restore data

That process is likely to leave both host-accessible and hidden 
unencrypted blocks from the prior installation on the device.



> = a lot of unencrypted data get's overwritten (if user does not have a
> lot of data, generate some X-D)

"a lot" is not the same as "all".  The ATA secure erase command is 
designed to erase all blocks, both host-accessible and hidden.



David

Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 6/27/20 9:37 PM, Nicolas George wrote:
> Dan Ritter (12020-06-27):
>> No problems with this, or the 3400G (4-core sibling) or the
>> 2700x, or the 3600, or any of the EPYC series (Ryzen for
>> servers).
> 
> Thank you. Just to be sure: GPU too?

Hi Nicolas,

to be sure that you won't have problems with the mainboard and different
controllers on it I would recommend you to test with live distribution
on USB flash drive if this is possible.

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: new camera

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 04:20:03PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> [598962.015764] uvcvideo 1-12.4.4.4:1.0: Entity type for entity Camera 1 was 
> not initialized!

This, combined with [1], gives us the probable answer.
Another possible answer is that "quirks" parameter of uvcvideo.

> Anybody have an idea of what driver this camera needs?

A *driver*? You already have one, it's uvcvideo. It says so in your
dmesg, plain and clear as a day.
Much better question is - what *userspace* part the thing needs? And the
answer to that is:

apt-get install uvcdynctrl

If stretch's uvcdynctrl won't cut it - that means you'll need buster's
one, or maybe even bullseye's. And that will require upgrading your OS,
of course.

Reco

[1] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111291

Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Nicolas George]

Dan Ritter (12020-06-27):
> No problems with this, or the 3400G (4-core sibling) or the
> 2700x, or the 3600, or any of the EPYC series (Ryzen for
> servers).

Thank you. Just to be sure: GPU too?

> At this point, people should stop asking "Is this Ryzen going to
> work with Debian" unless it has been introduced within the last 6 months.

My rule of thumb for when to stop asking "will this work" is: when the
information is easily found on the web. With the counterpart: if I have
the info, I try to remember to make it available.

Regards,

-- 
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Re: new camera

[songbird]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> Just got a new camera, fawcny endoscope, I intend to use for machine.
>
> Moderately high priced, 5 Megapixel, autofocus.
>
> But this stretch machine can't find it amongst all the other usb stuff.
> It doesn't have cheese, and vlc doesn't recognize it.

  usually new devices lag drivers in linux enough that if
you are not running a more recent kernel you may not get
it to work.

  might be worth trying with a newer kernel or a more
recent distribution.

  that's all i can suggest.  :)  gl...


  songbird

Re: How long will this take?

[rhkramer]

On Friday, June 26, 2020 09:41:26 PM Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:
> On 6/27/20 3:20 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > This (the above) subject line is not very good, but at least it gives a
> > hint that it  probably is, or at least could be, computer related.
> 
> Would you please explain the computer related "hint" in "How long will
> this take?"

I'm reallly not inclined to do so.  It really doesn't matter if you used a 
poor subject line and somebody else did also -- no point arguing over which is 
worse.

I will say apparently others also were able to see a hint in "how long will 
this take"?

To make a feeble attempt at explaining the hint I saw -- computers require 
time to perform tasks, so that was a hint to me.

"Have you seen this inside" provides no hint to me.

I would suggest that you take the criticism in stride and try to make better 
subjects in the future.  And, if you can suggest better subjects to someone 
else, that can be acceptable as long as you do it with good will.

> For starters, I could end that sentence in so many ways, just use your
> imagination.
> 
> In much the same way I could end,  'have you seen this inside...'
> 
> We can drop the subjective statements and look objectively at things.

Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Dan Ritter]

Nicolas George wrote: 
> Hi.
> 
> I need to buy a new computer. I am considering one based on the
> AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, more precisely the ZOTAC ZBOX CA621 Nano.
> 
> From what I read on the web, it seems I would be able to get it working
> with Debian Testing.
> 
> Can somebody confirm firsthand, for this processor or even better for
> this specific computer?
> 

No problems with this, or the 3400G (4-core sibling) or the
2700x, or the 3600, or any of the EPYC series (Ryzen for
servers).

At this point, people should stop asking "Is this Ryzen going to
work with Debian" unless it has been introduced within the last 6 months.
The worst case scenario is that you will need a backport kernel
or amdgpu driver.

The 3200U is now 18 months old.

-dsr-

Re: [HS] L'Etat choisit Microsoft pour ses données de santé

[didier . gaumet]

Le samedi 27 juin 2020 12:50:02 UTC+2, Mathieu ROSSI (R4M) a écrit :
> Merci de ton éclairage, Didier,
> 
> Ce qui me revient en mémoire, c'est:
> - que le contrat d'hébergement (si hébergement explicitement demandé en 
> Europe) est conforme (en tous les cas déclaré comme tel) aux directives de 
> protection 2010/87/EU.
> - et que Microsoft, en tant qu'entreprise américaine, est soumise au Patriot 
> Act, quel que soit le lieu d'hébergement.
> 
> Je n'ai pas la compétence juridique pour "dire" quel est, des deux, 
> l'engagement légal qui prévaut.
> 
> Matteo

Hello,

ce que je comprends (mais je ne suis pas du tout qualifié dans le domaine, 
seulement curieux) c'est que la directive (non-contraignante) que tu cites est 
l'amendement de la directive (non-contraignante) 95/46/EC qui a été rendue 
caduque par le règlement (contraignant) RGPD qui la remplace. Et que le Patriot 
Act de 2001 a été amendé par le Freedom Act de 2015 et le Cloud Act de 2018.

Et que comme dit précédemment, l'UE considère que le RGPD s'applique même en 
cas de conflit avec un règlement ou une loi étrangère (ici américaine), sauf en 
cas d'accord international auquel elle a souscrit et statuant sur les modalités 
de transfert d'information dans certaines circonstances.

Les pénalités s'appliquant à des entreprises étrangères enfreignant le RGPD 
pourraient monter à 4% de leur chiffre d'affaire de l'année fiscale précédentes 
(si j'ai bien compris). 

Interprétation personnelle: la propension actuelle des USA à se retirer des 
institutions internationales et des accords multilatéraux n'incite pas 
forcément à leur accorder une confiance aveugle pour respecter des accords 
internationaux dans le cadre d'une enquête sur le terrorisme. On pourrait 
imaginer qu'une firme US coincée entre les obligations américaines et 
européennes choisisse au cas par cas en fonction du contexte l'attitude à 
adopter, suivant les sanctions qui lui seraient imposées par les USA et l'UE.
Pour l'exploitation commerciale des données des citoyens européens, à moins 
d'une guerre commerciale USA/UE de plus en plus ouverte à l'image de ce qui se 
passe entre la Chine et les USA, j'ai tendance à croire que ces données sont 
assez efficacement protégées par le RGPD.
Rappel: c'est une interprétation personnelle et je ne suis pas expert.
  

Re: On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?]

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 04:36:03PM +0200, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:

[...]

Thanks for your kind words.

> To learn is a personal effort. I've learnt from this and you have too. I
> hope others have as well. The community will be better of it.

Let's hope so, yes :-)

Cheers
-- t


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Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[manish tripathi]

Thank you Nate. That is quite informative. In my case there is no need to
share files over a network, though some data may be required to be stored
in the local machine.

Trips



On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 6:27 PM Nate Bargmann  wrote:

> * On 2020 27 Jun 05:48 -0500, manish tripathi wrote:
> > Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose
> > solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the
> same
> > may not be guaranteed with use of WINE.
>
> IME, Qemu has various issues with Windows guests, such things as the
> mouse cursor not being able to go to certain desktop edges after a time
> of running.  I found VirtualBox was much better suited for Windows
> guests but VB is not a part of Buster or Bullseye in the main
> repositories so I had to install the packages made available by Lucas
> Nussbaum for Buster: https://people.debian.org/~lucas/virtualbox-buster/
>
> > Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster,
> in
> > case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise
> > such impact.
>
> Someone may have better information, but it seems to me that the VM is
> rather well sandboxed whether Qemu or VB.  If there are shared folders
> then malware could have access to those files and the network.
> Certainly, anything/everything in the VM could be compromised.
> VirtualBox has the feature of snapshots so that a VM could be rolled
> back to a known (suspected?) good state.
>
> - Nate
>
> --
>
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>
> Web: https://www.n0nb.us
> Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
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>
>

Re: dpms control?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 27 June 2020 11:26:32 davidson wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 26 June 2020 15:46:15 davidson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 20 June 2020 20:57:38 David Wright wrote:
>  On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 20:37:09 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 20 June 2020 20:13:08 davidson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 20 June 2020 18:22:56 davidson wrote:
>  On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> > I am running an app that gets messed up if the screen
> > blanker kicks in, so I used xset to shut off dpms. Has no
> > effect.  So how do I shut the screen blanker down for the
> > jobs duration?
>
>  ^^^ ^^^  
>
> Mark that goal post.
>
> > [... davidson wrote:]
> >
> >> Since we seem to be troubleshooting, what is the output of
> >>
> >>   $ xset q
> >
> > gene@coyote:/media$ xset q
>
> [snip]
>
> > DPMS (Energy Star):
> >   Standby: 450Suspend: 600Off: 900
> >   DPMS is Disabled
> >
> > But if I repeat that query half san hour later, something has
> > re-enabled dpms.  Murphy?
> >>>
> >>> [... David Wright wrote:]
> >>>
>  If the system insists on setting dpms, can you change those three
>  numbers with   dpms 1 2 3   only using some *very* large numbers.
> 
>  (DE stuff is beyond me.)
> 
>  Cheers,
>  David.
> >>
> >> [... Gene Heskett wrote:]
> >>
> >>> I just gave that a try, with 3000 6000 and 9000
> >>
> >> How did that go?
> >
> > I can turn it off, once,
>
>   ^^ ^^^  
>
> What does this mean, exactly?
>
> Are you telling us that yes, the requested setting is *obeyed* for the
> duration of that particular X session? (I cannot figure out anything
> else it might mean.)
>
> Like, did you (in that desktop session) get 50 minutes of not-blank
> screentime before standby mode kicked in after you issued
>
>   $ xset dpms 3000 6000 9000
>
> ?
No but it was a couple minutes longer than its carved in stone 7.5 minute 
default.

> If so, then David's method does precisely what you asked for in your
> original post, and it would be helpful --for the sake of people
> reading the list archives at least-- for you to confirm that
> unambiguously.
>
> How about it? Yes or No?
>
> > then its back to the 7.5 minute defaults.
> > I've given up. I cannot force it on for more than 7.5 minutes by
> > anything but a mouse wiggler.
>
> I might just come over there and mouse wiggle *you* if you don't drop
> the damn Rodney Dangerfield routine.

Hey, at my age, 85, I've earned that right. ;-) Then too, this IS 2nd 
Amendment country.
>
> Put on your big boy technician pants and properly exchange
> troubleshooting information with your interested peers.

> > And I'm now alone, they finally found a rest home for my missus, but
> > she is quarantined for 2 weeks. At nearly 8g's a month.  Out in the
> > sticks, at least a 1:20 drive from here.  And getting sick of my own
> > cooking, but I've been doing all that since she fell and broke a hip
> > nearly 4 years ago.
>
> New occassions teach new duties. Saw that inscribed in granite
> once. Guess it must be true.

So it seems, TANSTAAFL is a law you cannot break. She is my third, had 
her 30 years now. Good woman.

> But take care of yourself, whatever else you do.

I'm trying. My card case, with its spare parts installed list is getting 
fat though.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: dpms control?

[davidson]

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 26 June 2020 15:46:15 davidson wrote:


On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 20 June 2020 20:57:38 David Wright wrote:

On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 20:37:09 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 20 June 2020 20:13:08 davidson wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 20 June 2020 18:22:56 davidson wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;
I am running an app that gets messed up if the screen blanker
kicks in, so I used xset to shut off dpms. Has no effect.  So
how do I shut the screen blanker down for the jobs duration?

^^^ ^^^  

Mark that goal post.


[... davidson wrote:]


Since we seem to be troubleshooting, what is the output of

  $ xset q


gene@coyote:/media$ xset q

[snip]

DPMS (Energy Star):
  Standby: 450Suspend: 600Off: 900
  DPMS is Disabled

But if I repeat that query half san hour later, something has
re-enabled dpms.  Murphy?

[... David Wright wrote:]


If the system insists on setting dpms, can you change those three
numbers with   dpms 1 2 3   only using some *very* large numbers.

(DE stuff is beyond me.)

Cheers,
David.

[... Gene Heskett wrote:]


I just gave that a try, with 3000 6000 and 9000


How did that go?


I can turn it off, once,

 ^^ ^^^  

What does this mean, exactly?

Are you telling us that yes, the requested setting is *obeyed* for the
duration of that particular X session? (I cannot figure out anything
else it might mean.)

Like, did you (in that desktop session) get 50 minutes of not-blank
screentime before standby mode kicked in after you issued

 $ xset dpms 3000 6000 9000

?

If so, then David's method does precisely what you asked for in your
original post, and it would be helpful --for the sake of people
reading the list archives at least-- for you to confirm that
unambiguously.

How about it? Yes or No?


then its back to the 7.5 minute defaults.
I've given up. I cannot force it on for more than 7.5 minutes by
anything but a mouse wiggler.


I might just come over there and mouse wiggle *you* if you don't drop
the damn Rodney Dangerfield routine.

Put on your big boy technician pants and properly exchange
troubleshooting information with your interested peers.


And I'm now alone, they finally found a rest home for my missus, but
she is quarantined for 2 weeks. At nearly 8g's a month.  Out in the
sticks, at least a 1:20 drive from here.  And getting sick of my own
cooking, but I've been doing all that since she fell and broke a hip
nearly 4 years ago.


New occassions teach new duties. Saw that inscribed in granite
once. Guess it must be true.

But take care of yourself, whatever else you do.

--
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You were wearing a +0 robe.  The frost giant turns to flee.

Re: Echo on Realtek ALC662 soundcard

[Nicolas George]

Seeds Notoneofmy (12020-06-27):
> I'm only trying to bump this!

For a message like that, bumping once after 5-7 days would have been
reasonable, I think.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Echo on Realtek ALC662 soundcard

[Seeds Notoneofmy]

On 6/27/20 3:44 AM, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:


Thanks for your help.

I've looked into alsamixer and nothing I do there has fixed the echo I
get on Debian buster with this card.

 0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
  HDA Intel at 0xfdefc000 irq 28
I got the  Realtek ALC662 rev1   from Alsamixer

Thanks for your considered response.


I'm only trying to bump this!

Thanks.

Best wishes

Re: On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?]

[Seeds Notoneofmy]

On 6/27/20 10:51 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


I'll take your question face value. While there are big similarities
between both, I still see at least two (small!) differences.

1) The subject "how long will this take" at least gives a hint
   at something performance-related. The subject "have you seen
   this inside..." doesn't give any hint.

2) In the current example, the subjet was (somewhat, see (1) for
   the limitations) appropriate in the initial mail and slowly
   lost relevance as the thread drifted away (it still has a bit
   of relevance, since the speed of /dev/urandom is somewhere around
   there).

As to why they merit different treatment -- I don't know. I don't
think so. Human behaviour is messy, more so in big groups. If you
still feel you've been treated unjustly, my apologies are still
up for the part I took in that.

You can always mail me personally if you think there's something
I can/should learn from all that.

Cheers
-- t


With such a well considered response, I will be foolish, if not stupid,
to press this point further.

And I want to thank you, very much, Tomas, for it. And you're right, I
do feel treated unjustly.

But we can drop all that now. I'm responding primarily to share with you
how much of a man I think you're, based on your response. Thank you.

And you're right too, where ever humans meet, you can expect some mess.
This is not a perfect system here. And I do not wish it so.

My hope is that your handling of it, my bringing it up, would contribute
towards making this 'community' a welcoming place for all.

To learn is a personal effort. I've learnt from this and you have too. I
hope others have as well. The community will be better of it.

Cheers

Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U

[Nicolas George]

Hi.

I need to buy a new computer. I am considering one based on the
AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, more precisely the ZOTAC ZBOX CA621 Nano.

From what I read on the web, it seems I would be able to get it working
with Debian Testing.

Can somebody confirm firsthand, for this processor or even better for
this specific computer?

Thanks.

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2020 27 Jun 05:48 -0500, manish tripathi wrote:
> Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose
> solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the same
> may not be guaranteed with use of WINE.

IME, Qemu has various issues with Windows guests, such things as the
mouse cursor not being able to go to certain desktop edges after a time
of running.  I found VirtualBox was much better suited for Windows
guests but VB is not a part of Buster or Bullseye in the main
repositories so I had to install the packages made available by Lucas
Nussbaum for Buster: https://people.debian.org/~lucas/virtualbox-buster/

> Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, in
> case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise
> such impact.

Someone may have better information, but it seems to me that the VM is
rather well sandboxed whether Qemu or VB.  If there are shared folders
then malware could have access to those files and the network.
Certainly, anything/everything in the VM could be compromised.
VirtualBox has the feature of snapshots so that a VM could be rolled
back to a known (suspected?) good state.

- Nate

-- 

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Re: [HS] L'Etat choisit Microsoft pour ses données de santé

[benoit]

Bonjour Sylvie,

Si mais, j'ai oublié qu'en tant qu'abonné,je peux tout lire,les autres n'ont 
pas la suite de l'article.

--
Benoit



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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
Le jeudi 25 juin 2020 19:11, Bureau LxVx  a écrit 
:

> Bonjour Benoît,
>
> Le lien n'aboutit pas à l'article dont tu parles :-(
>
> Librement,
>
> Sylvie
>
> Le 25/06/2020 à 18:40, benoit a écrit :
>
> > Citation d'un article du monde diplomatique :
> > « Petit détail : cette plate-forme, qui contient à la fois les dossiers de 
> > l’assurance-maladie, des facturations hospitalières, des causes médicales 
> > de décès, des données médico-sociales des personnes handicapées et un 
> > échantillon de factures de remboursement des organismes complémentaires, 
> > est hébergée sur le cloud (le « nuage », lieu de stockage des données 
> > informatiques) de Microsoft, entreprise américaine qui a été certifiée « 
> > hébergeur de données » en France, fin 2018. En vertu du Cloud Act (« loi 
> > sur le nuage »), les forces de l’ordre ou les agences de renseignement des 
> > États-Unis pourront donc avoir accès aux informations contenues sur le 
> > serveur »
> > https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2020/06/BRYGO/61870
> > :-(
> > --
> > Benoit
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > Le mercredi 17 juin 2020 09:11, Jean Bernon jber...@free.fr a écrit :
> >
> > > https://lists.riseup.net/www/info/interhop
> > >
> > > > Y a-t-il une initiative pour protester contre cette forfaiture ?

Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[manish tripathi]

Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose
solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the same
may not be guaranteed with use of WINE.

Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, in
case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise
such impact.

Many thanks.

Trips




On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 3:26 PM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 27 juin 2020 à 10:58 de manishtr...@gmail.com:
>
> > Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a
> application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions
> as well.
> >
> Nate's already given the gist but I think you should clarify whether your
> question is general (any Windows-compatible application) or not (specific
> application).
>
> Clearly, if your question is general there is no definitive answer. You
> won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors
> and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience. The cost (Windows
> guest OS licence) and security (compartmentalization) aspects are not the
> same as well!
>
> If your question is rather specific, so you have an application in mind
> and you should tell us about its name at least so investigation/user
> feedbacks could be possible.
> Here is a good start regarding Wine compatibility:
> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=Browse
> Applications=appName=true
>
> Best regards,
> l0f4r0
>
>

RE: [HS] L'Etat choisit Microsoft pour ses données de santé

[Mathieu ROSSI (R4M)]

Merci de ton éclairage, Didier,

Ce qui me revient en mémoire, c'est:
- que le contrat d'hébergement (si hébergement explicitement demandé en Europe) 
est conforme (en tous les cas déclaré comme tel) aux directives de protection 
2010/87/EU.
- et que Microsoft, en tant qu'entreprise américaine, est soumise au Patriot 
Act, quel que soit le lieu d'hébergement.

Je n'ai pas la compétence juridique pour "dire" quel est, des deux, 
l'engagement légal qui prévaut.

Matteo

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Objet : Re: [HS] L'Etat choisit Microsoft pour ses données de santé

Le vendredi 26 juin 2020 09:00:03 UTC+2, Mathieu Rossi a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> Il me semble - mais je n'ai plus les références sous les yeux - que la 
> situation est différente selon que le serveur est hébergé en Europe ou aux US.

je connais très mal le sujet mais de ce que je comprends, ce que tu décris 
était le fonctionnement sous le Stored Communication Act de 1986 et la 
promulgation aux USA en 2018 du Cloud Act avait justement pour but de corriger 
cet état de fait. Ceci concernant les citoyens des USA.

Concernant les citoyens des pays membres de l'UE, de ce que je comprends 
(mal?), pour que leur données soient communiquées à la justice américaine, 
celles-ci étant protégées par le RPGD même aux USA, il faudrait que la demande 
américaine soit conforme aux standards européens pour être recevable.

D'où l'intérêt de ne pas beugler à la "forfaiture" avant d'en avoir établi 
l'existence. Je ne suis pas pro-américain, je ne suis pas ultra-libéral. 
J'aimerais juste qu'on me présente des éléments factuels, en posant la question 
des risques perçus associés à ces faits, ceci d'une manière non-tendancieuse.

cf (les articles wikipedia en anglais):  
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation#Third_countries

Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[l0f4r0]

27 juin 2020 à 11:55 de l0f...@tuta.io:

> You won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of 
> factors and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience.
>
Of course I was speaking about Wine here ;)
I don't think you could possibly have any  issue on a  VM as most (all?)   
Windows softwares can run under a virtual environment (the only 
counter-examples I'm aware of are some malwares that detect they are running 
inside a VM so they can adapt their behavior)...

l0f4r0

Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

27 juin 2020 à 10:58 de manishtr...@gmail.com:

> Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a 
> application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions 
> as well. 
>
Nate's already given the gist but I think you should clarify whether your 
question is general (any Windows-compatible application) or not (specific 
application).

Clearly, if your question is general there is no definitive answer. You won't 
have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors and on 
your expectations/tolerance about your experience. The cost (Windows guest OS 
licence) and security (compartmentalization) aspects are not the same as well!

If your question is rather specific, so you have an application in mind and you 
should tell us about its name at least so investigation/user feedbacks could be 
possible.
Here is a good start regarding Wine compatibility:  
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=Browse 
Applications=appName=true

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Re: mails tagged as spam with alpine

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:49:50AM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> all mails I send using alpine are tagged as spam.

Any recent examples? Headers would be enough.

Reco

Re: On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?]

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

27 juin 2020 à 10:51 de to...@tuxteam.de:

> I'll take your question face value. While there are big similarities
> between both, I still see at least two (small!) differences.
>
> 1) The subject "how long will this take" at least gives a hint
>  at something performance-related. The subject "have you seen
>  this inside..." doesn't give any hint.
>
> 2) In the current example, the subjet was (somewhat, see (1) for
>  the limitations) appropriate in the initial mail and slowly
>  lost relevance as the thread drifted away (it still has a bit
>  of relevance, since the speed of /dev/urandom is somewhere around
>  there).
>
People can try to find any justification they want, "How long will this take?" 
was not a "meaningful, specific subject header" either (see 
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#bespecific that has been 
recommended multiple times on this list).

> As to why they merit different treatment -- I don't know. I don't
> think so. Human behaviour is messy, more so in big groups.
>
I think this is definitely the real reason ;)

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2020 27 Jun 03:59 -0500, manish tripathi wrote:
> Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a
> application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions
> as well.

My experience is that it depends on the application and what Windows
calls it makes and what libraries it depends on.  I try an old Windows
program named Morse Runner on occasion in Wine and the sound is
generally distorted and broken whereas it works fine on a real Windows
OS.  I also used another program named N1MM+ that will play .WAV files
in Wine and its audio is smooth.  N1MM+ is a .Net application and that
is troublesome in Wine but it can be made to work.  I have tried
programs that rely on later versions of .Net and given up.

Try Wine and if it's satisfactory, stick with it.  All you lose is a bit
of time and you can gain some "experience"!

- Nate

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Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 27 iun 20, 12:00:58, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 26 iun 20, 20:34:07, echo test wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp.
> > 
> > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web
> > app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware
> > for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to compare them but it
> > seems that hardware vendors never want to talk about Debian on their
> > websites.
> 
> "small" could be anything from 10 to 1000 users. Mentioning some numbers 
> could get you more useful recommendations.
> 
> In any case, some interesting hardware not mentioned so far (don't 
> forget about the power consumption).
> 
> https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200616
> https://www.pine64.org/2020/06/05/rockpro64-cluster-move-june-5-10/

Forgot to mention these
http://macchiatobin.net/product/macchiatobin-single-shot/
http://macchiatobin.net/product/macchiatobin-double-shot/

Kind regards,
Andrei
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mails tagged as spam with alpine

[Pierre Frenkiel]

all mails I send using alpine are tagged as spam.
As you can see, this doesn't occur with thunderbird
Is there a  way to get rid of this tagging?
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 26 iun 20, 20:34:07, echo test wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp.
> 
> Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web
> app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware
> for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to compare them but it
> seems that hardware vendors never want to talk about Debian on their
> websites.

"small" could be anything from 10 to 1000 users. Mentioning some numbers 
could get you more useful recommendations.

In any case, some interesting hardware not mentioned so far (don't 
forget about the power consumption).

https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200616
https://www.pine64.org/2020/06/05/rockpro64-cluster-move-june-5-10/

Kind regards,
Andrei
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WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster

[manish tripathi]

Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a
application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions
as well.

Thanks

Trips

On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?]

[tomas]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 01:37:57AM +0200, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:

[...]

> Recently I posted here with the subject line: "have you seen this inside..."
>
> And I was lectured by no fewer than three people.

As someone of those who did the "lecturing", I somehow feel urged
to respond ;-)

> The subject line in this thread is: "How long will this take?"

Yes. The original subject wasn't very informative. Then, the thread
drifted away (not the subject, as I promised above in the Subject,
alas). This happens, often one small nudge at a time (you may notice
that you just contributed to that yourself ;-)

Sometimes people try to straighten the mess a bit (I tried in this
mail) by adjusting the subject. As a human endeavour, this, too, is
bound to fail alarmingly often.

> I struggle to understand the difference between the two subject lines
> that merits their different treatment.

I'll take your question face value. While there are big similarities
between both, I still see at least two (small!) differences.

1) The subject "how long will this take" at least gives a hint
  at something performance-related. The subject "have you seen
  this inside..." doesn't give any hint.

2) In the current example, the subjet was (somewhat, see (1) for
  the limitations) appropriate in the initial mail and slowly
  lost relevance as the thread drifted away (it still has a bit
  of relevance, since the speed of /dev/urandom is somewhere around
  there).

As to why they merit different treatment -- I don't know. I don't
think so. Human behaviour is messy, more so in big groups. If you
still feel you've been treated unjustly, my apologies are still
up for the part I took in that.

You can always mail me personally if you think there's something
I can/should learn from all that.

Cheers
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Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 26 iun 20, 20:25:32, David Wright wrote:
> 
> Ironically, 2048 is neither cargo cult nor magic, but *is* the default
> used by LUKS when the kernel does not supply one, as documented two
> paragraphs earlier. Are you suggesting a 1MB alignment might be
> insufficient? If one were to specify NxMB, LUKS will still use 1MB
> (again as documented).

The latest recommendation I saw for "cheap flash based" storage is 4MiB 
in order to align with erase block sizes, so now I'm starting all my 
partitions at 4MiB instead of 1MiB.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: How long will this take?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 27 iun 20, 01:37:57, Seeds Notoneofmy wrote:
> 
> Recently I posted here with the subject line: "have you seen this inside..."
> 
> And I was lectured by no fewer than three people.
> 
> The subject line in this thread is: "How long will this take?"
> 
> I struggle to understand the difference between the two subject lines
> that merits their different treatment.

It seems to me you are complaining that the OP of this thread was not 
lectured as well.

Was this your intention?

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

[Admin4]

1) backup your data to external usb drive

2) reinstall with encrypted enabled

3) restore data

= a lot of unencrypted data get's overwritten (if user does not have a
lot of data, generate some X-D)

On 6/27/20 6:00 AM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-06-26 18:25, David Wright wrote:
>
>> There's still the problem of what one does about sensitive data if
>> one has been rash enough to write it unencrypted onto an SSD. Would
>> shred -n 1   be preferable? Not really, because that doesn't hit the
>> ex-file areas. What then?
>
> The best option is to command the SSD firmware to do a "secure
> delete". Some SSD manufacturers provide utilities for doing this. 
> Alternatively, it can be done from the command line with Linux.
>
>
> David 

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

[Leslie Rhorer]

	Your English is excellent.  I think Debian is a very good choice for a 
small enterprise server.  With a very limited set of servers as you 
mention here, I would not expect many issues, and stability is a 
hallmark of Debian.  Personally, I would go with a quality HBA from 
Areca or LSI in JBOD mode and then create and manage the array with 
mdadm.  I have been burned more than once with hardware RAID solutions.


On 6/26/2020 1:34 PM, echo test wrote:

Hello,

First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp.

Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a 
web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some 
hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to compare 
them but it seems that hardware vendors never want to talk about Debian 
on their websites.


Seriously, I prefer using my money for donating to the Debian foundation 
than having to pay for Ubuntu or Red Hat Enterprise because I love 
Debian and ...


So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an 
enterprise context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo 
ThinkCenter which seems to never mention that they support Debian. What 
kind of issues can I encounter with such hardwares except simple cases 
like having to install missing drivers with some already available 
firmwares.


Can you give me some alternative hardwares in case this idea may take me 
to much time to solve ?


Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft.

Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my mother language

Thank you.

Re: Advice on encrypted filesystem

[David Christensen]

On 2020-06-26 21:00, David Christensen wrote:

On 2020-06-26 18:25, David Wright wrote:


There's still the problem of what one does about sensitive data if
one has been rash enough to write it unencrypted onto an SSD. Would
shred -n 1   be preferable? Not really, because that doesn't hit the
ex-file areas. What then?


The best option is to command the SSD firmware to do a "secure delete". 
Some SSD manufacturers provide utilities for doing this.  Alternatively, 
it can be done from the command line with Linux.


Correction "ATA Secure Erase command":

https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase


David

Re: new camera

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 27 June 2020 02:38:31 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I'll give that a try, but it really has to run on a wheezy install,
> > using camview, which has the target structure for precision point
> > location built in.
>
> I understand you very well - it might be this one liner is from the
> time of wheeze as I used back then (wheezy jessie) a dvb tuner and
> webcam scanner a lot. I was also looking recently and found out some
> of it was not working on the newer hardware and came to the above
> solution which I put in another script. IT might be it depends on the
> video driver (for the hardware) in use.
> Unfortunately I am not a VLC user and can't tell you how to do it in
> vlc :(
>
> regards

Neither am I, and whatever version of vlc I have here on stretch, does 
not recognize it, won't even open an output window.

Thanks deloptes.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: new camera

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> I'll give that a try, but it really has to run on a wheezy install, using
> camview, which has the target structure for precision point location
> built in.

I understand you very well - it might be this one liner is from the time of
wheeze as I used back then (wheezy jessie) a dvb tuner and webcam scanner a
lot. I was also looking recently and found out some of it was not working
on the newer hardware and came to the above solution which I put in another
script. IT might be it depends on the video driver (for the hardware) in
use.
Unfortunately I am not a VLC user and can't tell you how to do it in vlc :(

regards

Re: new camera

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 27 June 2020 01:46:10 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 26 June 2020 18:51:04 deloptes wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > Doesn't have a card, usb only, and worthless as machine vision if
> >> > you can't see what the machine is doing in very close to real
> >> > time.
> >>
> >> Do you have /dev/video
> >>
> >> ls -al /dev/video*
> >> crw-rw+ 1 root video 81, 0 May 30 10:38 /dev/video0
> >> crw-rw+ 1 root video 81, 1 May 30 10:38 /dev/video1
> >
> > yes
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> this is what I use from time to time
>
> mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=768:height=576:device=/dev/video0
> -vo xv

I'll give that a try, but it really has to run on a wheezy install, using 
camview, which has the target structure for precision point location 
built in.

Thank you.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
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