Re: [OT] Remote SSH (dynamic IP) without third-party server
On 2020-07-31 19:03, riveravaldez wrote: Is this possible? Hi, to clarify: I would like to connect to a remote home-machine (dynamic IP) through SSH session but without using a third-party server (free or paid), just with software running in both machines. Tox and Jami protocols seem to be able to stablish a quick p2p connection in a decentralized fashion (without the need of a central server) and I understand that this means that both protocols allow each client to find the other one, that is, to know their present IPs at all time, no matter how dynamic they are. Is this correct? If so, would be possible to use a similar mechanism to obtain at any moment the counterpart's IP and then make a SSH login using such information? If there's any other simpler way (that doesn't imply the use of any third party) please let me know, I could use anything that works. Thanks a lot! The particulars of your home Internet connection will determine what alternatives you have available. I have residential VDSL service from AT&T. Fortunately, AT&T does not block port 22, AT&T assigned an IPv4 address for my WAN connection, and the address has never changed. So, added an entry to the /etc/hosts file on my laptop, configured the residential gateway to allow incoming WAN SSH packets, and configured the gateway to forward those packets to the SSH server on the LAN. I can take my laptop remote, connect to the Internet, and log in to my server with SSH. David
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
Hello, On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:24:03PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > https://www.mailop.org/ > > Now this is the list that I want to be on. But, I am getting SSL errors trying > to connect to https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop Yes; unfortunately it is in a transition period between admin teams as the old administrators haven't had time to maintain things like renewal of the TLS cert¹. As far as I understand the new admin team is ready to take over but are waiting on the old admins to do some things. For what it's worth I know it is simply a case of an expired TLS cert and it is safe in this case to proceed anyway. Cheers, Andy ¹ Obviously quite embarrassing for a list of / catering to professional email admins. There are employees of Google. Yahoo! and Microsoft on this list. -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Signature not working
On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 12:07:14 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-07-31 at 11:29, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 16:07:29 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote: > > >> The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would > >> have done. > > > > That might be because The Wanderer was responding to some information > > in Reco's post. It was much more informative than "It doesn't work." > > I think that he might have been referring to another of my replies - > most likely either the one timestamped 07:24 EST, or the one timestamped > 07:17 EST, both from today. > > The "that" he was referring to, from context, appears to be Tomas' reply > which boiled down to "no, I won't stop doing this", and to which my > 07:17 mail was a reply. You're probably right. But by then I'd read other responses, and "It doesn't work" was the shortest, and as uninformative as any. On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 12:03:56 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-07-31 at 11:30, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> I can read everything fine. Nothing gets trashed, but things that > >> one expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig > >> separator) because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't > >> occur. > > > > I don't see any text following his `-- t`. What text do you see after > > `-- t` that you think should be hidden? > > In a properly compliant situation, the '-- t' itself would be omitted > when replying to the message, because it is (part or all of) the > signature block and not actually anything that will need to be > responded to. > > To be honest, I rather suspect you already understood that. I was perplexed by two things. The first was that anyone would think -- t was a sig-sep, because a sig-sep is "Hyphen Hyphen Space Newline", and the second was that I couldn't think of any particularly bad effects that the -- t would cause. After all, if it's *not* recognised as a sig-sep, then -- t becomes merely the last line of the message (wasn't that its intention?), and if it *is* misinterpreted as a sig-sep, then anything after it gets treated as a signature. Is that terrible? IDK. We're just told it's "broken", "doesn't work", and "fails completely", rather than being informed of which client produces what symptoms. Cheers, David.
Re: Signature not working
On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 14:51:13 (-0700), Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Fri Jul 31 14:39:39 2020 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >>> Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid > >> > >> No, I'm not confused. '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator. > > > > Indeed it's not, and that's OK because Tomas doesn't use it as > > a "signature separator" (the thing that should be `-- \n`), but > > just as the last line of text in his email, which stands more or > > less for his name. > > > > There are 3 separate notions of signature here at play: > > A) the `-- \n` notion of signature taken from ~/.signature. > > B) the non-computer-related notion of someone adding his name > > at the end of his text > > C) the cryptographic data meant to prove authenticity. > > > > Tomas means his `-- t` to be of the (B) category (just like my > > `-nStefan` below), and according to the RFCs with which I'm familiar > > it does indeed correctly fall into the (B) category. > > > > IIUC you think it was meant to be in the (A) category, but I have no > > idea what makes you think so. > > Compounding the confusion, even the signatures from The Wanderer and > Brad Rogers don't come out properly on my machine. I read this list > through the newsgroup linux.debian.user, using slrn - and the "--\n" > from these two people comes through as --=20, hence is not recognized. > This probably has something to do with the fact that their messages > contain a "Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable", which I've > always thought to be a nasty format. It might. I see (without the slashes) /--=20 / Regards _ … and /--=20 / The Wanderer … in the raw messages, but mutt displays them as signatures (in yellow here). I notice that your post has Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed in the header. Might you be using flowed to read posts too, and does that interact with their quoted-printable in some way? I certainly haven't yet understood the full implications of RFC 3676 for posts that are all of signed, signatured, and quoted-printable. Cheers, David.
[OT] Remote SSH (dynamic IP) without third-party server
Is this possible? Hi, to clarify: I would like to connect to a remote home-machine (dynamic IP) through SSH session but without using a third-party server (free or paid), just with software running in both machines. Tox and Jami protocols seem to be able to stablish a quick p2p connection in a decentralized fashion (without the need of a central server) and I understand that this means that both protocols allow each client to find the other one, that is, to know their present IPs at all time, no matter how dynamic they are. Is this correct? If so, would be possible to use a similar mechanism to obtain at any moment the counterpart's IP and then make a SSH login using such information? If there's any other simpler way (that doesn't imply the use of any third party) please let me know, I could use anything that works. Thanks a lot!
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
> Good for you, but, I guess you are using mailgun for outgoing. Yes, it is real good for me. $ cat /etc/postfix/sender_relay (Postfix in Google Compute Engine) soyeo...@yw.doraji.xyz [smtp.mailgun.org]:2525 soyeo...@bullseye.yw.doraji.xyz [email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]:2587 soyeo...@red-october.yw.doraji.xyz [email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com]:2587 Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//
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Exactly, but the problem Cannot find serial number of Apple device 0x05ac and don't recognize the device. -- Forwarded message - From: john doe Date: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:41 PM Subject: Re: To: On 7/31/2020 8:07 PM, William Torrez Corea wrote: > How to mount an iPod Shuffle 4G?. > > I have this script. > https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=mount-iphone.sh > If I understand your question correctly, the below command should help you: $ wget ' https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mount-iphone.sh ' $ sh ./iPhone*.sh -- John Doe -- With kindest regards, William. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: VMs on external storage CPU overloading
Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have and have had no such problems. > I strongly suspect that there's something else at play. > E.g. its VM is performing a lot of disk IO. You mean you can run a VM from USB2.0 smoothly?
Re: grub update and reinstallation
Thanks for the information. Your questions are probably rhetorical, but I've responded anyway, below :) On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:38 AM Brian wrote: > On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 11:21:06 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > > > When I did the upgrade the terminal showed > > - > > Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ... > > Installing for i386-pc platform. > > Installation finished. No error reported. > > Generating grub configuration file ... > > > > The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear. > > It is abundantly clear. What else could be meant? > That a debian package has been installed. The grub.cfg was updated. That some files somewhere other than my boot sector have been updated. > > In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location. > > Why should it? > So I can tell what has been updated, having more than one disk. If I interpret the script and config options correctly, it might even be possible to have it update more than one location automatically. Also, giving the installation location would lessen the ambiguity referred to above. I think the problem is that the messages (I'm guessing lines 2 and 3 in my excerpt above are from grub-install) are designed in the context of invoking grub-install from the command line, in which case further information would be pointless. But when it's invoked in the context of a Debian package upgrade, the context is less evident. Ross
Re: Signature not working
On Fri Jul 31 14:39:39 2020 Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid >> >> No, I'm not confused. '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator. > > Indeed it's not, and that's OK because Tomas doesn't use it as > a "signature separator" (the thing that should be `-- \n`), but > just as the last line of text in his email, which stands more or > less for his name. > > There are 3 separate notions of signature here at play: > A) the `-- \n` notion of signature taken from ~/.signature. > B) the non-computer-related notion of someone adding his name > at the end of his text > C) the cryptographic data meant to prove authenticity. > > Tomas means his `-- t` to be of the (B) category (just like my > `-nStefan` below), and according to the RFCs with which I'm familiar > it does indeed correctly fall into the (B) category. > > IIUC you think it was meant to be in the (A) category, but I have no > idea what makes you think so. Compounding the confusion, even the signatures from The Wanderer and Brad Rogers don't come out properly on my machine. I read this list through the newsgroup linux.debian.user, using slrn - and the "--\n" from these two people comes through as --=20, hence is not recognized. This probably has something to do with the fact that their messages contain a "Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable", which I've always thought to be a nasty format. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ /| Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On 7/31/20 3:08 PM, Celejar wrote: "No Support Linux Hosting" only offers web hosting, not VPSs, so port blocking isn't applicable. For VPS hosting, they send you to their "sister company" "No Support VPS Hosting", whose price ($15 per month) is hardly rock-bottom (Digital Ocean starts at $5 per month): http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/VPSHosting.html http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php I haven't used the service in almost 10 years. It seems that they might have changed things. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations!
Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 20:27:30 +0100 Brian wrote: > > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would > > set off such a monster thread :-) > > You've not been in these parts for very long, have you? -user has a > habit of generating discussion on trivilities like these. :) Yes, it does. Which tends to drive off people who don't like watching the discussion wander off into the weeds. Or the bike shed. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:27:30PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 21:04:32 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an > > > extra space or other character in the first two columns? > > > > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would > > set off such a monster thread :-) > > You've not been in these parts for very long, have you? -user has a > habit of generating discussion on trivilities like these. :) To be honest, I do know the bikeshed pattern -- but it still surprises me sometimes. Cheers (trying now The Wanderer's suggestion. Feels awkward, I can't spot yet why) --t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On 7/31/2020 8:07 PM, William Torrez Corea wrote: How to mount an iPod Shuffle 4G?. I have this script. https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=mount-iphone.sh If I understand your question correctly, the below command should help you: $ wget 'https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mount-iphone.sh' $ sh ./iPhone*.sh -- John Doe
Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 15:28:41 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-07-31 at 15:04, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > >> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an > >> extra space or other character in the first two columns? > > > > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would > > set off such a monster thread :-) > > To be honest, after your last sign-off reply, I wasn't sure you were > even reading the remainder of the thread. I'd fallen asleep, in spite of reading every post. -- Brian.
Re: grub update and reinstallation
In addition - this is booting in legacy/BIOS mode not in UEFI - otherwise it would have mentioned grub-efi On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:38 PM Brian wrote: > On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 11:21:06 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > > > The recent security updates to grub inspire two questions: > > 1) Do the changes require updating the info put in the boot sector? > > Yes. > > > 2) Does the upgrade do that installation automatically? > > Yes. > > > I couldn't find documentation that addressed either issue, though I think > > the answer to 2) for my system is yes. > > > > When I did the upgrade the terminal showed > > - > > Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ... > > Installing for i386-pc platform. > > Installation finished. No error reported. > > Generating grub configuration file ... > > > > The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear. > > It is abundantly clear. What else could be meant? > > > In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location. > > Why should it? > > -- > Brian. > >
Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
On 2020-07-31 at 15:04, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > >> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > >> Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an >> extra space or other character in the first two columns? > > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would > set off such a monster thread :-) To be honest, after your last sign-off reply, I wasn't sure you were even reading the remainder of the thread. >> -- t # Looks nice, almost the same > > Good idea. > >> - - t # A little weird, but very distinctive > > Also a good one. > I'll try for a while No. 2. Can't vouch for my muscle memory, though. > > Cheers > - -t That could be an improvement, yes. If I might suggest another possibility? To whatever hard-to-pin-down part of me finds any of this objectionable, I think something like --t would be even less of a problem than any of the above, while still being just as easy to type. Removing the separation between the dashes and the initial, as well as placing extra indentation before the dashes, helps make clear to my subconscious that the dashes are a lead-in to the initial, rather than being a form of the standard-specified delimiter. (I've used something similar to that form, with my own three initials rather than just one, in various spots in my workplace in the past.) Whether that would hold for anyone else, including Brad, I of course can't say. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 21:04:32 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an > > extra space or other character in the first two columns? > > Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would > set off such a monster thread :-) You've not been in these parts for very long, have you? -user has a habit of generating discussion on trivilities like these. :) -- Brian.
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:25:42 -0400 Carl Fink wrote: ... > I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS > providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is > with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports. > The most economical one I have heard of > (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will > find it hard to beat the price. "No Support Linux Hosting" only offers web hosting, not VPSs, so port blocking isn't applicable. For VPS hosting, they send you to their "sister company" "No Support VPS Hosting", whose price ($15 per month) is hardly rock-bottom (Digital Ocean starts at $5 per month): http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/VPSHosting.html http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php Celejar
Re: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an > extra space or other character in the first two columns? Thanks for the list. I didn't expect that this humble thing would set off such a monster thread :-) > -- t # Looks nice, almost the same Good idea. > - - t # A little weird, but very distinctive Also a good one. > ++t # That looks like it could be a classic Hm. I happen to like C (weird, I know), but not in this spot. > ==t # Implies that you are your message Needs shift on my keyboard (yes, I do it manually!). > +=t # The joke gets weirder See ==t > ..t # Maybe three would be better? Nice, actually. Might trigger a WordStar dot command. There seem to be weird MUAs out there. Better not tempt destiny. > ...t# Too much trouble Even more WordStar danger. > t # Authoritative, but not self-important Visually not very distinctive. Brad may have missed this one. > [t] # A stamp of approval, like a chop AltGr key. Even worse than ==t > 't # LISP is back Shift key. See ==t. Although I'd *love* this one. > It is apparently driving some people crazy because their MUAs > are slightly broken. See [1]. > If not, well, I certainly understand. I'll try for a while No. 2. Can't vouch for my muscle memory, though. Cheers - -t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 09:51:57PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: [...] > > I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical > > machine with a couple (~4) of friends. > > > > Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail". > > But not much. > > Sounds like a cool setup. If you and your friends are open to host another VM > then we can talk specifics off-list. Hm. They host customer stuff there: I don't think they'd be open. But I'd let you know in that case... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On 7/31/20 12:31 PM, Didar Hossain wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:25:42AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote: I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports. The most economical one I have heard of (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will find it hard to beat the price. Ahh, RimuHosting is indeed on my option list. The other guys are providing CPanel/WHM preconfigured instances; I want to fully customize my minimal Buster instance. You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India, but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has made no detectable difference. Hosting in India is a preference, not a hard requirement. I am happy to know that Rimu are not blocking ports. For whatever it is worth, my Debian VPS on Rimuhosting is currently serving four low-traffic domains, for web and mail, including three WordPress instances. Postfix for MTA, Dovecot for IMAP, RoundCube for webmail. I don't bother hosting my own DNS at the moment. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations!
Re: grub update and reinstallation
On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 11:21:06 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > The recent security updates to grub inspire two questions: > 1) Do the changes require updating the info put in the boot sector? Yes. > 2) Does the upgrade do that installation automatically? Yes. > I couldn't find documentation that addressed either issue, though I think > the answer to 2) for my system is yes. > > When I did the upgrade the terminal showed > - > Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ... > Installing for i386-pc platform. > Installation finished. No error reported. > Generating grub configuration file ... > > The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear. It is abundantly clear. What else could be meant? > In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location. Why should it? -- Brian.
grub update and reinstallation
The recent security updates to grub inspire two questions: 1) Do the changes require updating the info put in the boot sector? 2) Does the upgrade do that installation automatically? I couldn't find documentation that addressed either issue, though I think the answer to 2) for my system is yes. When I did the upgrade the terminal showed - Setting up grub-pc (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) ... Installing for i386-pc platform. Installation finished. No error reported. Generating grub configuration file ... The second line suggests an installation happened, though it's not clear. In particular, it doesn't mention any particular installation location. Mucking around in the scripts, /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst includes if grub-install --target=i386-pc --force --no-floppy $real_device ; then and grub-pc/install-devices is set to a plausible value in /var/cache/debconf/config.data. So my guess is it is installed there. But I'm not sure the actual execution hits that code path. It is perhaps reassuring that "Installing for" does not occur in the postinst script, so that it seems likely to have come from the invocation of grub-install. Thanks. Ross Boylan
Re: aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?
Also dpkg has the following options to check files, dpkg -V packagename for verifying, dpkg -C packagename for auditing -V, --verify [package-name...] Verifies the integrity of package-name or all packages if omitted, by comparing information from the files installed by a package with the files metadata information stored in the dpkg database (since dpkg 1.17.2). The origin of the files metadata information in the database is the binary packages themselves. That metadata gets collected at package unpack time during the installation process. Currently the only functional check performed is an md5sum verification of the file contents against the stored value in the files database. It will only get checked if the database contains the file md5sum. To check for any missing metadata in the database, the --audit command can be used. The output format is selectable with the --verify-format option, which by default uses the rpm format, but that might change in the future, and as such, programs parsing this command output should be explicit about the format they expect. -C, --audit [package-name...] Performs database sanity and consistency checks for package-name or all packages if omitted (per package checks since dpkg 1.17.10). For example, searches for packages that have been installed only partially on your system or that have missing, wrong or obsolete control data or files. dpkg will suggest what to do with them to get them fixed. Sven Joachim , 31 Tem 2020 Cum, 19:43 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > On 2020-07-31 15:10 +0200, local10 wrote: > > > Am looking for a way to reinstall a package and all "subpackages" the > > package depends on. Normally I use aptitude to install packages. > > Something like this should do the trick: > > # aptitude reinstall mypackage '~i~Rmypackage' > > See the "Search term reference" in the aptitude user manual[1]. > I haven't found a way to that recursively. > > Cheers, >Sven > > > 1. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html > >
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Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:40:48 -0500 David Wright wrote: > . Boot with the installation flash drive, where the kbd/mouse work, > and use it as your rescue system to effect the repair as outlined > in the reference above. Note that edits to /lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules will be overwritten on the next upgrade to whatever package generates that file. The solution to that problem is to copy the file 97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ and edit it there. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:08:09PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:00:32AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or > > > any > > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my > > > email. > > > > > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP > > > ports > > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their > > > network. > > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my > > > design has > > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > > > > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > > > > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS > > > providers > > > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. > > > > > > > I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is > > more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually > > run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up > > SPF and DKIM. > > Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This > > is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host. > > Cheap US$5 cloud instances are super attractive propositions for spammers who > have absolutely abused these providers and made it difficult for legitimate > senders to host on them. > > I have DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC under control. But, IP/ASN reputation is > something that I have to factor in because a lot of my counter party receivers > are on Office365 and G Suite who would block ill reputed networks. > > > One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam > > originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you > > some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never > > ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates. > > True, I remember seeing some statistics about spam originating from them and > that is why they have recently started blocking ports 25 throughout. > > > I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used > > A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island > > and were very "linux friendly" at that time. > > Does your AWS instance receive and send over port 25? > Yes, AWS requires to "register" your mailserver. They allow for a small amount of out traffic without that, but if you intend to use this as a proper mail server, you have to tell them. I've never been on any dns-blocklist so far and I do check regularly for all my server. -H -- Henning Follmann | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com
Re: Signature not working
> In a properly compliant situation, the '-- t' itself would be omitted > when replying to the message, because it is (part or all of) the > signature block and not actually anything that will need to be > responded to. Just like the `\tStefan` at the end of this email, the `-- t` is *not* meant to be part of the signature block. It'd need a `-- \n` before that to be discounted as such. So, if my `\tStefan` is not a problem, then his `-- t` shouldn't be a problem either. So, is my `\tStefan` a problem as well for you? Stefan
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service > reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have > issues. > > Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience > significant difficulties getting large email service providers like > gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a > network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner > and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification. Exactly my fear and that is why I am on the hunt for a reputable IP/ASN space. > If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the > real world best practices for sending email: > > https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/ That is a comprehensive list and I intend to implement at least MTA-STS/TLSRPT and consider SPF/DKIM/DMARC as standard stuff. > I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting > company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member > of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people > complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail. > > https://www.mailop.org/ Now this is the list that I want to be on. But, I am getting SSL errors trying to connect to https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting Added for consideration. Kind regards, Didar -- "Virtual" means never knowing where your next byte is coming from.
Re: setting up Apache2 to execute cgi-bin perl scripts [SOLVED]
On 2020-07-31 11:32, Henning Follmann wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:12:53AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: My server is running Debian/Stable on an AMD64 system. I'm trying to set up its local Apache2 service to execute cgi-bin scripts but I'm having some problems getting it to work. I note that /etc/apache2/conf-enabled contains a link to /etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf so I'm assuming that cgi-bin is enabled. The .conf contains a ScriptAlias directive which I believe redirects /cgi-bin/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ but that's as far as I can get. I don't want to tamper with the conf-available scripts so I went along with their settings. First I tried to link the script I want executed to the file in the site's public_html/cgi-bin/ folder but that didn't work. Next I tried copying the file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but got the same results. Even when I changed the ownership of the directory and its files from root:root to www-data:www-data, the script still doesn't execute. Instead when I click on the page's submit button, I get a dialog box asking me what program I want to use to open the file (which gives me the option of Kate). To be clear, the perl script is marked a+x and it does work on the external web server that I use to host the live site. Also, I have restarted the apache2 service multiple times even though the config has not changed. Can anyone figure out what I'm missing? Did you enable it? sudo a2enmod cgi -H That did the trick. Thanks.
Re: aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?
On 2020-07-31 15:10 +0200, local10 wrote: > Am looking for a way to reinstall a package and all "subpackages" the > package depends on. Normally I use aptitude to install packages. Something like this should do the trick: # aptitude reinstall mypackage '~i~Rmypackage' See the "Search term reference" in the aptitude user manual[1]. I haven't found a way to that recursively. Cheers, Sven 1. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:36:46PM +0900, 황병희 wrote: > Didar Hossain writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or > > any > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP > > ports > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their > > network. > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my > > design has > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS > > providers > > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. > > If you intrested in Google Compute Engine, this is useful: > https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/tutorials/sending-mail/using-mailgun?hl=en I don't want to use mailgun/sendgrid/mandrill to send emails, I just want to take control of my email. > Also we can open (ingress) port 25 for MX at there Google Compute > Engine. Personally i'm using Google Compute Engine -- Ubuntu > 18.04. And running MTA is Postfix. Good for you, but, I guess you are using mailgun for outgoing. Kind regards, Didar -- NO OPIUM-SMOKING IN THE ELEVATORS -- sign in the Rand Hotel, New York, 1907
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:00:32AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or > > any > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP > > ports > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their > > network. > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my > > design has > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS > > providers > > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. > > > > I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is > more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually > run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up > SPF and DKIM. > Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This > is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host. Cheap US$5 cloud instances are super attractive propositions for spammers who have absolutely abused these providers and made it difficult for legitimate senders to host on them. I have DNS, SPF, DKIM and DMARC under control. But, IP/ASN reputation is something that I have to factor in because a lot of my counter party receivers are on Office365 and G Suite who would block ill reputed networks. > One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam > originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you > some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never > ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates. True, I remember seeing some statistics about spam originating from them and that is why they have recently started blocking ports 25 throughout. > I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used > A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island > and were very "linux friendly" at that time. Does your AWS instance receive and send over port 25? Kind regards, Didar -- Sun in the night, everyone is together, Ascending into the heavens, life is forever. -- Brand X, "Moroccan Roll/Sun in the Night"
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:25:42AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote: > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP > > ports > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their > > network. > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my > > design has > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS > providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is > with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports. > The most economical one I have heard of > (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will > find it hard to beat the price. Ahh, RimuHosting is indeed on my option list. The other guys are providing CPanel/WHM preconfigured instances; I want to fully customize my minimal Buster instance. > You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India, > but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy > traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS > has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost > of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km > away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has > made no detectable difference. Hosting in India is a preference, not a hard requirement. I am happy to know that Rimu are not blocking ports. Kind regards, Didar -- *snipsnip* oh dear, is that the sound of fortune-database editing? uh oh Yes =>
Re: [OT] Lisp is back
* 2020-07-31 18:53:58+03, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >> 't # LISP is back > > It's not a LISP unless it features round braces! That statement is not quite true but there are actually hidden parentheses in 't. There is reader macro ' and expression 't is expanded to (quote t). -- /// Teemu Likonen - .-.. http://www.iki.fi/tlikonen/ // OpenPGP: 4E1055DC84E9DFF613D78557719D69D324539450 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:05:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:59:06 +0530 > Didar Hossain wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or > > any > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP > > ports > > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their > > network. > > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my > > design has > > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS > > providers > > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. > > Have you seen Ars Technica's series on self-hosting email? It > may be a bit dated (it's from 2014), but they're pretty good on such > topics. They mention a couple of VPS providers (A Small Orange, > Lithium Hosting), but I took a quick look, and they somewhat pricey: > > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/ Yes, those hosting providers to seem a little pricey, but if I am able send and receive emails without *much* problems I can consider them. Kind regards, Didar -- One can search the brain with a microscope and not find the mind, and can search the stars with a telescope and not find God. -- J. Gustav White
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or > > any > > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical > machine with a couple (~4) of friends. > > Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail". > But not much. Sounds like a cool setup. If you and your friends are open to host another VM then we can talk specifics off-list. Kind regards, Didar -- Q: How does the Polish Constitution differ from the American? A: Under the Polish Constitution citizens are guaranteed freedom of speech, but under the United States constitution they are guaranteed freedom after speech. -- being told in Poland, 1987
Re: aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?
Jul 31, 2020, 15:28 by semihozlemlinuxu...@gmail.com: > ... > Also I did not put any license agreement on this, and did not think about it > commercially. I am assuming that this wont be used for commercial purposes, > but educational purposes, or for the purpose of making open source more > available. I do not consider it a major improvement over aptitude or the > whole debian and linux project. But should you consider using it for > commercial purposes, or outside open-source goals and aims, I would like to > know, and ask to discuss such use. > > Semih Ozlem > Thanks for the detailed response, I'll look into it. My need for this is just a personal one-time use. I have a package that started to behave a bit strange so I want to reinstall it with all its dependencies just to be sure that nothing got corrupted over time. I was hoping there would be a simple, easy way to do it but if not my plan was to purge the package and its dependences with aptitude's --purge-unused option and then just install it again as if it was new. I think this may be a simpler option for me. Regards,
Re: Signature not working
On 2020-07-31 at 11:29, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 16:07:29 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote: >> The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would >> have done. > > That might be because The Wanderer was responding to some information > in Reco's post. It was much more informative than "It doesn't work." I think that he might have been referring to another of my replies - most likely either the one timestamped 07:24 EST, or the one timestamped 07:17 EST, both from today. The "that" he was referring to, from context, appears to be Tomas' reply which boiled down to "no, I won't stop doing this", and to which my 07:17 mail was a reply. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Signature not working
On 2020-07-31 at 11:30, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I can read everything fine. Nothing gets trashed, but things that >> one expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig >> separator) because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't >> occur. > > I don't see any text following his `-- t`. What text do you see after > `-- t` that you think should be hidden? In a properly compliant situation, the '-- t' itself would be omitted when replying to the message, because it is (part or all of) the signature block and not actually anything that will need to be responded to. To be honest, I rather suspect you already understood that. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On 2020-07-31 at 10:58, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:47:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote: >> > It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected. >> >> Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific, > > kmail apparently mistakes '-- t' for the MIME-separator. > > The "offending" e-mail actually look like this: > > == cut == > > -- t > > --gKMricLos+KVdGMg > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > Content-Description: Digital signature > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > == cut == > > Where "-- t" is a signature and is contained inside of a MIME-part, and > "--gKMricLos+KVdGMg" is an actual RFC2045-compilant separator. > > >> and B: what behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are >> relevant here? > > The lack of aforementioned confusion. The signature shows as the > author intended, gpg validation happens as expected. That does indeed look like a kmail bug, as you say. But it's not what I understand the problem being discussed to be. >> I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what >> I understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my >> understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance >> with a particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be >> basically universal across all compliant mail clients. > > RFC2045 is a standard, but we all know that certain proprietary MUA > which deliberately violates almost all standards if it comes to > e-mail. Apparently both KDE and Mozilla consider more important to be > compatible with this certain MUA than to follow actual standards > closely. As indicated in another mail, I consider the relevant RFC to be RFC3676, specifically section 4.3. RFC2045 had not entered my scope here, never mind the proprietary MUA you're probably referring to (which, for all I know, may not actually respect RFC3676 either - I should probably test that, actually, next time I have some downtime while on-shift). The original objector has also said that GPG/PGP has nothing to do with his objection, so I suspect that this kmail bug is an unrelated side issue. For what it may be worth, in defense of Mozilla and the people who inherited Thunderbird from them, Tomas' mails validate fine in Thunderbird for me. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Lisp is back (was: Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:47:22AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > [Hey everybody, stand back, I'm going to try something new.] > > Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an > extra space or other character in the first two columns? All these displayed perfectly: > -- t # Looks nice, almost the same > - - t # A little weird, but very distinctive > ++t # That looks like it could be a classic > ==t # Implies that you are your message > +=t # The joke gets weirder > ..t # Maybe three would be better? > ...t# Too much trouble > t # Authoritative, but not self-important > [t] # A stamp of approval, like a chop But this - this is an abomination: > 't # LISP is back It's not a LISP unless it features round braces! ( Reco )
Re: Signature not working
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:29:56 -0500 David Wright wrote: Hello David, >kmail's alleged bug. But surely, if kmail has a bug, then isn't the >correct path to report it? Indeed. BUT: I don't use kmail. Finally (IOW, last I'm going to say on the subject); I've dealt with the problem. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Success defined by acquisition stinks Money is Not Our God - Killing Joke pgpsbuD8gbf5F.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Tomas has a signature which isn't a .sig
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:55:22AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Jo, 30 iul 20, 17:13:18, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:58:10 +0200 > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > > > > > *PLEASE* fix your sig separator. > > > > What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")? > > (Thanks, Andrei :-) > > And to the OP... > > I know, I know. My signature is minimalistic: officially there SHOULD > be a newline after the space after the dash after the --uh-- dash. > > -- t Tomas -- [Hey everybody, stand back, I'm going to try something new.] Would you please consider changing your customary signoff to include an extra space or other character in the first two columns? -- t # Looks nice, almost the same - - t # A little weird, but very distinctive ++t # That looks like it could be a classic ==t # Implies that you are your message +=t # The joke gets weirder ..t # Maybe three would be better? ...t# Too much trouble t # Authoritative, but not self-important [t] # A stamp of approval, like a chop 't # LISP is back It is apparently driving some people crazy because their MUAs are slightly broken. If not, well, I certainly understand. -dsr- -- https://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference. there is no justice, there is just us
Re: Signature not working
> I can read everything fine. Nothing gets trashed, but things that one > expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig separator) > because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't occur. I don't see any text following his `-- t`. What text do you see after `-- t` that you think should be hidden? Stefan
Re: setting up Apache2 to execute cgi-bin perl scripts
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:12:53AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > My server is running Debian/Stable on an AMD64 system. > > I'm trying to set up its local Apache2 service to execute cgi-bin scripts > but I'm having some problems getting it to work. > > I note that /etc/apache2/conf-enabled contains a link to > /etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf so I'm assuming that cgi-bin > is enabled. The .conf contains a ScriptAlias directive which I believe > redirects /cgi-bin/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ but that's as far as I can get. > > I don't want to tamper with the conf-available scripts so I went along with > their settings. First I tried to link the script I want executed to the file > in the site's public_html/cgi-bin/ folder but that didn't work. Next I tried > copying the file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but got the same results. Even when I > changed the ownership of the directory and its files from root:root to > www-data:www-data, the script still doesn't execute. > > Instead when I click on the page's submit button, I get a dialog box asking > me what program I want to use to open the file (which gives me the option of > Kate). > > To be clear, the perl script is marked a+x and it does work on the external > web server that I use to host the live site. Also, I have restarted the > apache2 service multiple times even though the config has not changed. > > Can anyone figure out what I'm missing? > Did you enable it? sudo a2enmod cgi -H -- Henning Follmann | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com
Re: Signature not working
On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 16:07:29 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:00:03 +0300 Reco wrote: > > >I agree. But it's a valid part of a e-mail body, and any MUA that > >mishandles that is broken in this regard. > > I can read everything fine. Nothing gets trashed, but things that one > expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig separator) > because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't occur. When asked to > correct the problem, Tomas' answer boiled down to "No". I'm not really sure what the implications are of Reco's post about kmail's alleged bug. But surely, if kmail has a bug, then isn't the correct path to report it? > The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would > have done. That might be because The Wanderer was responding to some information in Reco's post. It was much more informative than "It doesn't work." > Since Tomas refuses to play nice, I've dealt with the issue in my own > way. I like to clean out all the salutations and valedictions from material I quote, so a one-line signature like -- t's is more helpful to me than long rambling signatures. (It sometimes transpires that people don't even stand by the quotations their own signatures contain.) Cheers, David.
Re: Signature not working
>>Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as > No, I'm not confused. '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator. Indeed it's not, and that's OK because Tomas doesn't use it as a "signature separator" (the thing that should be `-- \n`), but just as the last line of text in his email, which stands more or less for his name. There are 3 separate notions of signature here at play: A) the `-- \n` notion of signature taken from ~/.signature. B) the non-computer-related notion of someone adding his name at the end of his text C) the cryptographic data meant to prove authenticity. Tomas means his `-- t` to be of the (B) category (just like my `-nStefan` below), and according to the RFCs with which I'm familiar it does indeed correctly fall into the (B) category. IIUC you think it was meant to be in the (A) category, but I have no idea what makes you think so. Stefan
setting up Apache2 to execute cgi-bin perl scripts
My server is running Debian/Stable on an AMD64 system. I'm trying to set up its local Apache2 service to execute cgi-bin scripts but I'm having some problems getting it to work. I note that /etc/apache2/conf-enabled contains a link to /etc/apache2/conf-available/serve-cgi-bin.conf so I'm assuming that cgi-bin is enabled. The .conf contains a ScriptAlias directive which I believe redirects /cgi-bin/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ but that's as far as I can get. I don't want to tamper with the conf-available scripts so I went along with their settings. First I tried to link the script I want executed to the file in the site's public_html/cgi-bin/ folder but that didn't work. Next I tried copying the file to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but got the same results. Even when I changed the ownership of the directory and its files from root:root to www-data:www-data, the script still doesn't execute. Instead when I click on the page's submit button, I get a dialog box asking me what program I want to use to open the file (which gives me the option of Kate). To be clear, the perl script is marked a+x and it does work on the external web server that I use to host the live site. Also, I have restarted the apache2 service multiple times even though the config has not changed. Can anyone figure out what I'm missing? Thanks.
Re: Signature not working
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:00:03 +0300 Reco wrote: Hello Reco, >I agree. But it's a valid part of a e-mail body, and any MUA that >mishandles that is broken in this regard. I can read everything fine. Nothing gets trashed, but things that one expects to happen (non quoting of text after a valid sig separator) because Tomas has DELIBERATELY, broken his, don't occur. When asked to correct the problem, Tomas' answer boiled down to "No". The Wanderer couched his response to that far more politely than I would have done. Since Tomas refuses to play nice, I've dealt with the issue in my own way. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Watching the people get lairy I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs pgpETKR8kUI2f.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Signature not working
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 02:50:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > >Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as > > No, I'm not confused. '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator. I agree. But it's a valid part of a e-mail body, and any MUA that mishandles that is broken in this regard. Reco
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:47:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote: > >>> Quirks are fine, when things continue to work. Your sig > >>> separator fails completely. > >> > >> "Fails" in what way? He doesn't actually have a "signature file". > >> He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a > >> signature message. He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each > >> email. > >> > >> You're not missing out on any content. > > > > It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected. > > Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific, kmail apparently mistakes '-- t' for the MIME-separator. The "offending" e-mail actually look like this: == cut == -- t --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- == cut == Where "-- t" is a signature and is contained inside of a MIME-part, and "--gKMricLos+KVdGMg" is an actual RFC2045-compilant separator. > and B: what behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are > relevant here? The lack of aforementioned confusion. The signature shows as the author intended, gpg validation happens as expected. > I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what I > understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my > understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance with a > particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be basically > universal across all compliant mail clients. RFC2045 is a standard, but we all know that certain proprietary MUA which deliberately violates almost all standards if it comes to e-mail. Apparently both KDE and Mozilla consider more important to be compatible with this certain MUA than to follow actual standards closely. Reco
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:52:30PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service > reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have > issues. > > Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience > significant difficulties getting large email service providers like > gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a > network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner > and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification. > > If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the > real world best practices for sending email: > > https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/ > > I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting > company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member > of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people > complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail. > When it comes to Linode I wonder how much of what you have observed results from Linode as a service provider in general and how much from the individuals running the actual services. In my case, I have used Linode exclusively for more than 4 years for both inbound and outbound mail. Apart from one of the IPs I was initially assigned being on some blacklists (a situation which was easily corrected), I have not experienced any problems with major providers (GMail, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc.) rejecting or blocking my mail servers. If Linode had systemic problems of the nature you describe I would have expected to have actually experienced difficulty with mail from my servers to those major providers. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
Re: Signature not working
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:59:35 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: Hello Stefan, >Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as No, I'm not confused. '-- t' is NOT a valid sig separator. Unfortunately, I forgot to change the Subject header, and when somebody else did, they used a misleading term. >the PGP authentication of messages and is unrelated to the `-- \n` PGP/GPG is irrelevant for this. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Just coz they do it in the movies, doesn't mean to say that it's cool Keep It Clean - The Vibrators pgpV_0cHq185_.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
Hello, On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? You will be fine almost anywhere (as long as you find the service reliable) for inbound email, but it's sending where you will have issues. Most cheap VM providers are a spam sewer and you will experience significant difficulties getting large email service providers like gmail to consistently accept your email if you send from such a network neighbourhood. I would include Linode, DigitalOcean, Hetzner and OVH in the "spam sewer" classification. If you're determined to do it, at least make sure you abide by the real world best practices for sending email: https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/ I have to declare an interest because I operate a VM hosting company, but I speak on this as a recipient of email and as a member of the mailop mailing list where every month we see people complaining they can't get mail out of a spam sewer and into gmail. https://www.mailop.org/ Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500
> On Thu 30 Jul 2020 at 17:56:21 (+), David wrote: > > […] Now, when I 1st downloaded your ISO and put it on a Flash > > Drive all was going great. Booted up[,] lo[w] and behold my > > Logitech worked that is until I installed/restarted. No more Logitech. On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 02:06:08 (-0700), didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote: > perhaps the solutions detailed here will work in your case: > > https://askubuntu.com/questions/237051/undetected-logitech-mx-5500-keyboard-and-mouse On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 06:31:52 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:05:50 + David wrote: > > > Oh, the problem is having to find a wired kybd/mouse to even look. > > As said wireless no longer works. It looks as though you have two choices. Either: . Boot with the installation flash drive, where the kbd/mouse work, and use it as your rescue system to effect the repair as outlined in the reference above. Or: . Boot with the installation flash drive and repeat the installation. Before it terminates, effect the repair as outlined above, but with one important change: Repair the file /target/lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules rather than the file /lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules because /target is where your new installation is being built. "Before it terminates"—when is a good time? With expert non-graphical installation, there are several opportunities: - Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk - Finish the installation (clock setting) - Finish the installation (remove installation media) There may be fewer occasions when using non-expert/other methods. At the chosen opportune time, type Alt-F2 and press Return to get a shell. Effect the repair. Type Alt-F1 (or Alt-←) to return to the installation screen. Cheers, David.
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
Didar Hossain writes: > Hi, > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design > has > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. If you intrested in Google Compute Engine, this is useful: https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/tutorials/sending-mail/using-mailgun?hl=en Also we can open (ingress) port 25 for MX at there Google Compute Engine. Personally i'm using Google Compute Engine -- Ubuntu 18.04. And running MTA is Postfix. Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//
Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 01:56:10PM +0200, Albretch Mueller wrote: > OK, I will studz and try the manz options you have explain to me. > > > Your posts are sometimes nearly... whimsical. > > Many of you have tell me such things, "you should know that ... " > "why do you even ask if it is so easz to find the answer on the > Internet?" ... Don't take it personally. It was just a short form of "I'm unsure whether I have managed to interpret your meaning correctly, so please watch out for the possibility that I got that totally wrong" or something like that. So please understand that rather as "I'm not sure I've managed to decode you correctly, so watch out and help, please". > Posts are not "whimsical" per se, what makes it so if the impedance > in the assumptions framed by your background and someone else s > conditions/reality. Like right now i have to type using two keyboards > ... Definitely. I was just stating my impression, which has as much to do with me as with you as with the medium in-between. That said, of course "Your posts are ... whimsical" sounds much more absolute than it was meant to. > I am in Germany right now living in a half way house without access > to the Internet ... (you donät want to know more ;-)) Ah, that sound äxciting :) > Also, the kinds of problems I work on (corpora research of free text) > are kind of demanding, zou cant "solve" such problems nicely with OOP > and such paradigms, because zou cant model text with DAGs . That sounds even more exciting. Confusion networks? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
aptitude: a way to reinstall a package and all its dependents?
Am looking for a way to reinstall a package and all "subpackages" the package depends on. Normally I use aptitude to install packages. Any ideas? Thanks
Re: grub broke boot of debian stable: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found
Reco wrote: > Hi. > >On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:05:56AM +0200, Christoph K. wrote: >> Please let me know if you're interested in further investigation and >> let me know what to do or what information you need. > >They've released an updated version of grub already, >2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2. Upgrade again, and you trouble should go away. No, the only change there was a fix for EFI chainloading. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane
Re: Signature not working
>>Do you mean that his -- t > > Of course I do. Then you're confused: his `-- t` is perfectly normal and valid (just as much as my `\tStefan` below which I occasionally change to `-- Stefan` depending on the indentation of the previous text). The signature problem you're apparently seeing in your MUA is linked to the PGP authentication of messages and is unrelated to the `-- \n` convention used to separate the message's main content from some extra text traditionally taken from `~/.signature`. Stefan
Re: VMs on external storage CPU overloading
> IMO, allthose question as irrelevant - the problem is the IO. You can try it > easily. get USB 2.0 and put a VM on it - I have and have had no such problems. I strongly suspect that there's something else at play. E.g. its VM is performing a lot of disk IO. Stefan
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On 2020-07-31 at 08:37, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:45:57AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> Quirks are fine, when things continue to work. Your sig >>> separator fails completely. >> >> "Fails" in what way? He doesn't actually have a "signature file". >> He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a >> signature message. He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each >> email. >> >> You're not missing out on any content. > > It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected. Can you clarify both A: in what way this is kmail-specific, and B: what behaviors you're seeing in respect to mutt that are relevant here? I see failure on my end, with Thunderbird, which is similar to what I understand the problem being complained about to be. It is my understanding that the problem is rooted in (lack of) compliance with a particular RFC, such that the resulting behavior will be basically universal across all compliant mail clients. If mutt is somehow managing to produce the behavior which I would would be called for by the compliant delimiter, despite not seeing such a delimiter, then I'm curious as to how. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
Hi. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:45:57AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:28:21 +0200 > > wrote: > > > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > > > >I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of > > > > Quirks are fine, when things continue to work. Your sig separator fails > > completely. > > "Fails" in what way? He doesn't actually have a "signature file". > He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a signature > message. He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each email. > > You're not missing out on any content. It's a kmail thing. mutt, being a superior MUA, is not affected. Reco
Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:05:50 + David wrote: > Oh, the problem is having to find a wired kybd/mouse to even look. > As said wireless > no longer works. Please reply to the list so that others can see and possibly benefit from the exchange. Try booting to an old Linux. If you don't have one handy, finnix (command line only) does an excellent job for this sort of thing. Knoppix (GUI) should also. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > Hi, > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design > has > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. > I think all ISP should be fine. I sometime feel for a mailserver it is more important to have a decent DNS provider than where you actually run your mailserver. Because as a minimum you want to set up SPF and DKIM. Most ISP require to register an outgoing mail server with them. This is also important that they set up a reverse ptr for your host. One note on Digital Ocean. In my experience there is a lot of spam originating from Digital Ocean. This potentially could cause you some trouble. But this might be just my personal "feeling". I never ran the numbers on ISP spam submission rates. I currently use AWS for my mailservers. In the past I used A1flexus for dedicated servers. They are on Long Island and were very "linux friendly" at that time. -H -- Henning Follmann | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com
Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...
OK, I will studz and try the manz options you have explain to me. > Your posts are sometimes nearly... whimsical. Many of you have tell me such things, "you should know that ... " "why do you even ask if it is so easz to find the answer on the Internet?" ... Posts are not "whimsical" per se, what makes it so if the impedance in the assumptions framed by your background and someone else s conditions/reality. Like right now i have to type using two keyboards ... I am in Germany right now living in a half way house without access to the Internet ... (you donät want to know more ;-)) Also, the kinds of problems I work on (corpora research of free text) are kind of demanding, zou cant "solve" such problems nicely with OOP and such paradigms, because zou cant model text with DAGs . lbrtchx
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:52:57AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:28:21 +0200 > wrote: > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > >I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of > > Quirks are fine, when things continue to work. Your sig separator fails > completely. "Fails" in what way? He doesn't actually have a "signature file". He doesn't have a signature separator ("-- \n") followed by a signature message. He simply uses "-- t\n\n" at the end of each email. You're not missing out on any content.
Re: Signature not working
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:15:40 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Hello rhkra...@gmail.com, >Do you mean that his -- t Of course I do. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Drums quite good, bass is too loud, and I can't hear the words Sound Of The Suburbs - Members pgplFOHZWEz4_.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On 7/31/20 3:29 AM, Didar Hossain wrote: I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. I have never heard that. Many home ISPs block those ports, but VPS providers generally are serving a business market. My own VPS is with RimuHosting (https://rimuhosting.com) and they block no ports. The most economical one I have heard of (https://nosupportlinuxhosting.com/) certainly does not, and you will find it hard to beat the price. You mentioned wanting your host to be physically based in India, but I'm not sure that's important unless you expect very heavy traffic and need very short response times. My Rimuhosting VPS has moved from New Zealand to Long Island, New York (east cost of the USA) to Dallas, Texas (southwestern USA, about 2400 km away) and for what I do (web hosting and mail, mostly) it has made no detectable difference. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations!
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > Hi, > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design > has > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. > I persoally use Linode for the last four years. You can easily host a not very busy MX on the smallest Linode (a Nanode) and the don't block any ports. They also make it trivially easy to go between different "sizes" of Linodes. The only problem I have is that when I first started, the IP of one my MXs had previously been used by a spammer and so was on some blacklists. I had to request the removal from the lists. However, the same thing happened to me nearly 20 years ago when I set up my first MX on a hard wired on-premesis server with a static IP, so that phenomenon is not unique to cloud hosting. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
Re: Signature not working
On 2020-07-31 at 07:15, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 31, 2020 05:49:14 AM Brad Rogers wrote: > >> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300 Andrei POPESCU >> wrote: >> >> Hello Andrei, >> >>> What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")? >> >> It doesn't work. > > From left field (I learned that I probably shouldn't say "from the > peanut gallery" as its origins may be racist): What doesn't work? > Ah, or maybe I see now -- when I reply to you, your signature (as > above) is not copied into my reply, when I reply to t, his -- t does > show up in the reply? In properly-compliant mail (etc.) software, when replying to a message which contains the '-- [newline]' signature delimiter, that delimiter and everything that appears after it will be automatically omitted from the quoted text. Among possibly other things, this makes the process of properly quoting when replying both simpler and easier to work with, except for the rare case where you actually want to reply to something that's contained in the signature. There may or may not also be clients which (can be configured to) hide the signature when displaying a message for reading. I've never noticed one, but there might be people who would want that. A nonstandard signature delimiter is not detected by such software, and so this behavior does not happen. The signature lines have to be deleted by hand on replies. In this case, there's pre-signature-delimiter boilerplate which is being used anyway, and so would have to be deleted by hand regardless, so the effect is minimal. It's still a bit of a pain, and the principle (whatever it may be if spelled out in words) is still no less important. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Support for AMD Ryzen 3 3200U
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 30 iul 20, 23:31:01, Nicolas George wrote: > > > > The ZOTAC ZBOX CA621 Nano, based on AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, works, including > > GPU, with Debian stable but kernel 5.7.0-1-amd64 and firmwares from > > testing. > > Is the processor powerful enough to decode 4K video in software? Probably, but it has a GPU built in which works perfectly well with the AMDGPU driver. -dsr-
Re: Signature not working
On Friday, July 31, 2020 07:15:40 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 31, 2020 05:49:14 AM Brad Rogers wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 07:15:40 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Or the PGP signatures don't work? I meant to say that both his messages and your messages show up with the "End of signed message." line in kmail. They both also start with the "Not enough information to check signature validity." line, but that is because I don't have (either of) your public keys.
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
(There is a non-negligible chance that I will be so nervous about the possible contents of replies to this mail that I will not end up ever reading them. I am occasionally subject to bouts of unreasoning terror about such things.) On 2020-07-31 at 05:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I know, I know. My signature is minimalistic: officially there > SHOULD be a newline after the space after the dash after the --uh-- > dash. > > I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of > Postel's Principle [1] applied to me as I grant it to everyone else. > [1] I know... again. There are people who don't really like Postel's > Principle. I do. I do not want to discuss with you. I too like Postel's Principle [1], and I generally apply it to scopes within my control (including this one), or at least try to do so. However, that principle has two halves, and the "send" side is no less important than the "receive" side. I have never heard of, much less am in a position to use, any mail / etc. software which supports detecting and reacting appropriately to the variant of signature delimiter which you are apparently choosing to use. Not all of the software which I use, and potentially not any of it, is something whose behavior is within my scope of control to change in this regard. (Plus, this delimiter is something which is considerably more likely to appear in an actual message body than is the standard [2] delimiter, such that adding support for it would be likely to break things.) By choosing to use such a variant rather than the standard form, you are (apparently deliberately) choosing to not be interoperable with existing software. To me, that does not appear to be consistent with Postel's Principle; you are not being conservative in what you emit. I find it hard to see how "personal idiosyncrasy" (i.e., "quirk") can be enough to excuse this. The effect is very minor in this case, and no worse than the (numerous) people who - whether by choice, by ignorance, or by software limitation - do not use a signature delimiter at all (especially since part of the boilerplate which should be considered the signature - the word "Cheers" - is being placed *before* the delimiter, and so would have to be deleted by hand from a reply anyway). Both the principle and the minor real-world effect, however, remain. I am posting not so much because of your signature delimiter itself or because I can't "be liberal in what I accept" in this regard as because I am genuinely startled by your position on this, and even more by your apparent position in regard to discussing it and the whys of it and so forth. Of all the people whom I have seen more than briefly active on this mailing list in the last several years, you would have been literally the *last* I would have expected to see behave like an asshole other than by accident - even behind myself. (And now I'm nervous about the possibility that this will somehow escalate to the point of mods shutting down the subthread for being offtopic and pushing the Code of Conduct, with the use of that word as part of the reason meaning specific consequences - even if only a reprimand - directed at me. This is probably overreaction, but it's still true.) > (And please: take this all with a grain of salt). I'm honestly not sure what you mean by this, in this context. To take something with a grain of salt is to keep in mind the possibility that it might not actually be true, and in this context, that reads to me as "don't take this seriously, I don't necessarily actually mean it" - but everything else you're saying here seems to indicate that you *do* mean it, so discounting it on that basis would seem inapplicable. I've had to check the calendar at least twice in the course of writing this mail, just to make sure that this wasn't somehow April Fool's Day or some other joke-based reason why you might be doing this without actually being serious about it, since that's the only reason I can think of why you would advise to not believe what you're saying while still bothering to actually stick with the position in this way. If you genuinely are serious about this, then I have lost a level of the respect I had for you. [1] "Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle [2] "Standard" in this context as in, defined by RFC. In this case, that's RFC 3676: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block#Standard_delimiter https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3 -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Signature not working
On Friday, July 31, 2020 05:49:14 AM Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Hello Andrei, > > >What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")? > > It doesn't work. From left field (I learned that I probably shouldn't say "from the peanut gallery" as its origins may be racist): What doesn't work? Do you mean that his -- t (or your: / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Give me a reason for living Call Me Up - Gang of Four ... is not visible? Or the PGP signatures don't work? Of maybe some people have email clients that hide the signature (like -- t) so it doesn't catch my eye and I read (or start to read) it each time I read an email (boy would I love that -- maybe I write a filter in kmail to strip or hide those -- for me, that is a worthy goal). Ah, or maybe I see now -- when I reply to you, your signature (as above) is not copied into my reply, when I reply to t, his -- t does show up in the reply?
Re: Homebuilt NAS Advice
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:21:00 -0600 Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:40:29 -0700 > Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > This whole conversation is a bit over my head. > > I suggest you look into Syncthing. > > > > It's not in the Debian repos, but it is open source and it just works. > > https://syncthing.net/ > > Actually, it is in Buster. However, the version in buster is > 1.0.0~ds1-1+b11. The version in the syncthing repo is 1.7.1. FWIW, the version in Sid is 1.1.4~ds1-5. Still behind, but slightly less behind ;) Celejar
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:59:06 +0530 Didar Hossain wrote: > Hi, > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. > > I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports > (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. > This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design > has > separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. > > I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of > datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? > > Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers > who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. Have you seen Ars Technica's series on self-hosting email? It may be a bit dated (it's from 2014), but they're pretty good on such topics. They mention a couple of VPS providers (A Small Orange, Lithium Hosting), but I took a quick look, and they somewhat pricey: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/ > Kind regards, > Didar > > -- > Fortune finishes the great quotations, #6 > > "But, soft! What light through yonder window breaks?" > It's nothing, honey. Go back to sleep. > Celejar
Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:49:14AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Hello Andrei, > > >What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")? > > It doesn't work. I won't discuss that further. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:28:21 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of Quirks are fine, when things continue to work. Your sig separator fails completely. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" It couldn't adapt so it couldn't survive The Great British Mistake - The Adverts pgprJ0shLXTW2.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:55:22 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: Hello Andrei, >What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")? It doesn't work. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Give me a reason for living Call Me Up - Gang of Four pgpw7gN49xARf.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:59:06PM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > Hi, > > I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any > other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. I just have a virtual machine "out there" on a hoster. I share the physical machine with a couple (~4) of friends. Bandwidth is great, uptime is great, it's just a bit pricier than "gmail". But not much. Always sunny, never cloudy :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Signature [was: BIOS time fine, Linux/Debian's isn't! ...]
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 08:55:22AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 30 iul 20, 17:13:18, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:58:10 +0200 > > wrote: > > > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > > > *PLEASE* fix your sig separator. > > What difference does it make for a signature like his ("-- t")? (Thanks, Andrei :-) And to the OP... I know, I know. My signature is minimalistic: officially there SHOULD be a newline after the space after the dash after the --uh-- dash. I skip this newline. It's a quirk. I expect a teaspoon or two of Postel's Principle [1] applied to me as I grant it to everyone else. By the way, OP: "WHY DIDN'T YOU CHANGE THE MAIL'S SUBJECT LINE, HEIN?" Phew. Feels better now ;-P (And please: take this all with a grain of salt). Cheers [1] I know... again. There are people who don't really like Postel's Principle. I do. I do not want to discuss with you. -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 10.4
Hello, perhaps the solutions detailed here will work in your case: https://askubuntu.com/questions/237051/undetected-logitech-mx-5500-keyboard-and-mouse
Re: VMs on external storage CPU overloading
Answering here to Stefanand Deloptes. On 7/31/2020 7:54 AM, deloptes wrote: Stefan Monnier wrote: What makes you think so? Does it overheat? Is the "load average" too high? Where is the CPU time spent (i.e. e.g. what does `top` say, is it mostly in "wait"? "kernel"? "user"?)? Load avrage as shown by 'uptime' and my CPU was at full speed when using the usbkey ('lscpu'). Have you tried to install a similar (tho probably smaller) VM on your internal storage just in order to see if the problem comes from the external storage or from the VM itself? I can confirm that the issue is only when using the usbkey (external storage). IMO, allthose question as irrelevant - the problem is the IO. You can try it easily. get USB 2.0 and put a VM on it - try to start it - you will know what OP means. Obviously also USB3 are not always USB3 :D Thanks to DSR, I know that I have a slow device (lacking 'UASP' support) and this is most likely the issue as everything works fine when using internal storage. As uptime takes IO into consideration, what's the best way to demonstrate that fact? In other words, what command can I use to ensure that it is a IO issue. To Deloptes, I have a single board with only USB 3.0 but thanks for your thoughts. -- John Doe
Re: grub broke boot of debian stable: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found
Hi. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:05:56AM +0200, Christoph K. wrote: > Please let me know if you're interested in further investigation and > let me know what to do or what information you need. They've released an updated version of grub already, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2. Upgrade again, and you trouble should go away. Reco
grub broke boot of debian stable: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found
Dear all, this morning my desktop computer (HP Z220) running debian stable, instead of booting, gave me a bad surprise. It read something like this: error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found I was able to fix it by booting from cd into rescue mode and re-install grub. As far as I remember I didn't do any "suspicious" things to my computer yesterday. First investigations: Check the update log: # tail -20 /var/log/apt/history.log Start-Date: 2020-07-30 12:50:35 Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade Upgrade: grub-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub-xen-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub2-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub-pc:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub-pc-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1), grub-xen-host:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1) End-Date: 2020-07-30 12:50:47 Start-Date: 2020-07-30 12:50:52 Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade Upgrade: firefox-esr-l10n-de:amd64 (68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1, 68.11.0esr-1~deb10u1), firefox-esr:amd64 (68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1, 68.11.0esr-1~deb10u1) End-Date: 2020-07-30 12:50:58 Start-Date: 2020-07-31 09:30:07 Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade Upgrade: grub-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-xen-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub2-common:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-pc:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-pc-bin:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2), grub-xen-host:amd64 (2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u1, 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2) End-Date: 2020-07-31 09:30:21 Start-Date: 2020-07-31 09:44:40 Commandline: apt-get remove unattended-upgrades Remove: unattended-upgrades:amd64 (1.11.2) End-Date: 2020-07-31 09:44:41 # uname -a Linux -Debian 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux Ok, there's the unattended-upgrade (which I honestly wasn't even aware of) and it did some upgrade to grub which apparently broke the boot process. I guess there's something wrong with a recent grub update, as I'm not the only one facing this problem during the past days: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966575 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1263125/how-to-fix-a-grub-boot-error-symbol-grub-calloc-not-found I didn't expect this to happen with a debian stable. Please let me know if you're interested in further investigation and let me know what to do or what information you need. Best regards, Christoph
[OT] Requesting feedback for VPS/Cloud for email (MX) server?
Hi, I want to host my own email on the cloud - I don't want to use G Suite or any other commercial service because I would like to have control over my email. I read around a little and it seems that most cloud providers block SMTP ports (25,587,465) from/t the internet as well sometimes from within their network. This poses a real problem for my deployment plans. Also, note that my design has separate MSA (submission), Mailstore (IMAP) and MTA (MX) nodes. I have shortlisted Digital Ocean and Linode for my use because both of datacenters in India. Is anyone using either of them for MX service? Any and all feedback is most welcome including specialist/small VPS providers who I can consider to host the MX node for my domain at least. Kind regards, Didar -- Fortune finishes the great quotations, #6 "But, soft! What light through yonder window breaks?" It's nothing, honey. Go back to sleep.