Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]

[Brian]

On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 16:28:56 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:

> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> > > with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
> > > advertised. Yes, I know - if a site search is conducted, a better
> > > (non-free) image will be located. Jumping through hoops comes to
> > > mind!
> > 
> > No easy solution to that, sigh.
> 
> Sure there is -- add a link directly underneath it saying "if
> you require wireless connectivity during the installation, you
> may need to use this [link: alternate installer]."

"if you require wireless connectivity during the installation, we
have a much better installer for you. [link: alternate installer]."

(Don't ask ask why the inferior installer is prominent :).)

-- 
Brian.

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Darac Marjal]

On 26/02/2021 21:27, Dan Ritter wrote:
> D&P Dimov wrote: 
>>  
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021, 3:16:03 PM EST, Dan Ritter 
>>  wrote: 
>> D&P Dimov wrote: 
>>> Hello,
>>> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will work on 
>>> Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian. Has anyone 
>>> tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my question).
>> What protocol is the Mozilla VPN? Most common ones are supported
>> in Debian.
>>
>> Dan, they use WireGuard. 
>>
>> These are the installation instructions they provide:
>> Install commands:
>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillacorp/mozillavpn
>> sudo apt-get update
>> sudo apt-get install mozillavpn
>>
>> Run command:
>> mozillavpn
>> If I try to install it, is there a chance it will screw up my system? If 
>> not, I can try it. If it doesn't work, should 
>> apt-get remove mozillavpndo be able to uninstall/remove it?
> Maybe. add-apt-repository won't work, that's for sure. You could
> look it up and add it in /etc/apt/sources.d/ and then run

Why not?

❯ dpkg -S add-apt-repository
software-properties-common: /usr/bin/add-apt-repository
software-properties-common: /usr/share/man/man1/add-apt-repository.1.gz

❯ apt policy software-properties-common
software-properties-common:
  Installed: 0.96.20.2-2.1
  Candidate: 0.96.20.2-2.1
  Version table:
 *** 0.96.20.2-2.1 990
    990 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
    990 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages
    100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 0.96.20.2-2 500
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages

So add-apt-repository is in debian. The man page even mentions that it
handles "ppa:/" repositories, so I don't see what's so
"for sure" about it not working.


>
> apt update
> apt show mozillavpn
>
> and look at what it Depends on. If it's self-contained, it will
> probably work. If it drags in new versions of libraries, you
> could potentially trash your system. The term is FrankenDebian,
> to suggest Frankenstein's monster bolted together from spare
> parts.
>
> But wireguard is directly supported by Debian; it's in
> buster-backports. One option would be to get an Ubuntu system
> long enough to acquire the wireguard key -- perhaps in a VM --
> and then use the key in a normal /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf setup.
>
> -dsr-
>



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Re: need to run the windows version of cura for amd64

[David]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 at 00:33, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Friday 26 February 2021 05:42:22 David wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 21:25, David  wrote:
> > > On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 06:51, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> > > > I may have made a mistake, but I bought a dremel digilab 3d45 FDM
> > > > printer, aka a 3d printer.

> > > > the
> > > > dremel apparently considers the right rear of the plate as home,
> > > > whereas the ender3 I also have uses the left front corner as home.

After reading your messages, I gather that this is the root problem
that you are attempting to fix, and it is the only issue that I am
attempting to assist you with.

> > > I would have thought that would be a reconfigurable setting of the
> > > machine's G-code interpreter, regardless of whatever software
> > > you choose to drive it with.

> > > If that interpreter is 'Grbl' for example, the documentation is here:
> > > https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#3--direction-port-invert-mask
> > > https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#23---homing-dir-invert-mask

> > More explanation of $23 is here:
> > https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Set-up-the-Homing-Cycle#homing-direction

> They have put a toucjscreen gui in front of everything and I've not found
> anyplace to override its automatic calibrations

Disclaimer: I don't know 3D printers, but I have been using Gcode
for CNC every day for months.

I would expect that you just need to establish a serial connection to
it and then send $23=whatever. Any software that sends Gcode
can do this, or even just a terminal emulator connected to the serial
port, for example 'screen -r '.

[...]

> Conncted to a usb extension cable, udev does find it but bitches because
> the extension cable is usb2.

Surely usb2 is adequate for the amount of data being transferred.

[...]

> But the cura AppImage 4.8.0 can't find it, and they did admit that it
> could not have files dumped to it over the usb connection.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but I would expect a 3d printer to accept
Gcode over USB.

[...]

> So thats
> twice I've been denied access to an $1800 printer.

I think you're focussing on imaginary, wrong solutions.

> That leaves
> sneakernet using a supplied 16Gigabyte usb key.  But the cura AppImage,
> while having access to serveral hundred printers so it can drive them,
> this printer is not in that list.

> What I'd like to do is take that .exe apart, find that printers profile
> in it, and move it to the AppImage.

I think you're focussing on imaginary, wrong solutions.

[...]

> That, and other side effects of 86
> years now has me hat in hand, humbly asking for help.

And I'm still trying to offer it. :)
My apologies if I am misunderstanding the situation.

I think you just need to send the Gcode over the USB port. I expect it
only needs to be done once to permanently reconfigure the machine homing.

Or ask in some 3D printer forum where folks are familiar with
your machine, or search the web for 3D printer homing configuration
guidance.

Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]

[Dan Ritter]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: 
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> > with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
> > advertised. Yes, I know - if a site search is conducted, a better
> > (non-free) image will be located. Jumping through hoops comes to
> > mind!
> 
> No easy solution to that, sigh.

Sure there is -- add a link directly underneath it saying "if
you require wireless connectivity during the installation, you
may need to use this [link: alternate installer]."

-dsr-

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Dan Ritter]

D&P Dimov wrote: 
>  
> On Friday, February 26, 2021, 3:16:03 PM EST, Dan Ritter 
>  wrote: 
> D&P Dimov wrote: 
> > Hello,
> > Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will work on 
> > Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian. Has anyone 
> > tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my question).
> 
> What protocol is the Mozilla VPN? Most common ones are supported
> in Debian.
> 
> Dan, they use WireGuard. 
> 
> These are the installation instructions they provide:
> Install commands:
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillacorp/mozillavpn
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install mozillavpn
> 
> Run command:
> mozillavpn
> If I try to install it, is there a chance it will screw up my system? If not, 
> I can try it. If it doesn't work, should 
> apt-get remove mozillavpndo be able to uninstall/remove it?

Maybe. add-apt-repository won't work, that's for sure. You could
look it up and add it in /etc/apt/sources.d/ and then run

apt update
apt show mozillavpn

and look at what it Depends on. If it's self-contained, it will
probably work. If it drags in new versions of libraries, you
could potentially trash your system. The term is FrankenDebian,
to suggest Frankenstein's monster bolted together from spare
parts.

But wireguard is directly supported by Debian; it's in
buster-backports. One option would be to get an Ubuntu system
long enough to acquire the wireguard key -- perhaps in a VM --
and then use the key in a normal /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf setup.

-dsr-

Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]

[Brian]

On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 21:15:31 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> > problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> > with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
> > advertised. Yes, I know - if a site search is conducted, a better
> > (non-free) image will be located. Jumping through hoops comes to
> > mind!
> 
> No easy solution to that, sigh.

Indeed.

But now we impel users to start using the non-free archive or a
so-called unofficial ISO to get their hardware working. non-free
in sources.list becomes obligatory. It is difficult to see how
this helps Debian's focus on creating a free software ecosystem.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Dan Ritter]

D&P Dimov wrote: 
> Hello,
> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will work on 
> Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian. Has anyone tried? 
> (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my question).

What protocol is the Mozilla VPN? Most common ones are supported
in Debian.

-dsr-

Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]

[tomas]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 06:41:40PM +, Brian wrote:

[...]

> A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
> problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
> with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
> advertised. Yes, I know - if a site search is conducted, a better
> (non-free) image will be located. Jumping through hoops comes to
> mind!

No easy solution to that, sigh.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Brian]

On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 18:04:28 +, D&P Dimov wrote:

> Hello,
> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will
> work on Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian.
> Has anyone tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my
> question).

Nothing to do with Debian. How about signing up for the service and
giving us a review of it?

-- 
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Re: Custom mariadb installation

[The Wanderer]

On 2021-02-26 at 13:44, Bill wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> So I'd like to install mariadb on Debian 10 with the 
> --basedir=/usr/local/mariadb and --datadir=/data/mariadb. I've tried
> to add these options to the "apt install mariadb-server" command line
> but I get error messages saying the options aren't recognized.
> 
> So what then is the correct way to install mariadb using unique, 
> non-standard root and data directories?

Download the source package, adjust the configuration options in the
debian/ directory (and give it a new package version which will never be
used by the official maintainers), and build the package(s) locally.

Or else download the source from upstream and configure/build it
yourself, then install from there, bypassing the Debian packages entirely.

-- 
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Custom mariadb installation

[Bill]

Hi guys,

So I'd like to install mariadb on Debian 10 with the 
--basedir=/usr/local/mariadb and --datadir=/data/mariadb. I've tried to 
add these options to the "apt install mariadb-server" command line but I 
get error messages saying the options aren't recognized.


So what then is the correct way to install mariadb using unique, 
non-standard root and data directories?


Thanks much,

Bill
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Re: Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]

[Brian]

On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 13:59:38 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:08:26PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 25 feb 21, 11:53:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > 
> > > No worries. Things happen -- and in this case you happened to step
> > > onto a sticky issue which has no "nice" solution. The two extremes
> > > 
> > >  (a) Debian should be a free distribution. If you're holding a
> > >Debian "CD" [1] on your hands, you should be safe trusting
> > >that all the stuff in there is free to use, study, modify
> > >and give to others
> > > 
> > >  (b) Debian should be welcoming to newbies, it should be easy
> > >to install
> > > 
> > > This is a point of conflict, and won't be solved as long as there
> > > are hardware companies out there saying "my firmware is MINE and
> > > you are not allowed to redistribute it" while at the same time
> ~~
> > > spreading this oh-too-valuable-stuff all over the Internets.
> > 
> > It's more complicated than this. Debian is allowed distribute the 
> > firmware (otherwise it wouldn't be included in non-free or in the 
> > image), but the firmware doesn't satisfy one or more of the requirements 
> > in the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG)[1].
> 
> You're right. This was a too-abbreviated version. So much as
> to be wrong.

AFAIAC, it was in the right ballpark. For various reasons, many firmware
blobs are seen by Debian as non-free. Debian, and Debian users, have to
live with this. Hardware vendors suddenly seeing the light is unlikely,
as is some skilled user devising a tool chain to produce free versions.

> There are those cases -- where the end user is supposed to
> download the stuff directly; there, the Debian package is
> just a wrapper which does the download and marks the package
> as installed. But this isn't typical for firmware, it happens
> rather with video drivers et al.
> 
> For firmware, you might encounter other nasties, like (as
> you stated) no source, perhaps some form of prohibition
> of reverse engineering (legally void in many jurisdictions
> anyway)... lots of stuff contradicting DFSG.
> 
> Whether that's progress or not depends on your goals, of course.
> That's why Debian tries hard to keep things separate.

A 64-bit netinstall is prominent on the Debian main page. The
problem with that image is that it is unlikely to suit many users
with wireless-only connectivity. No obvious escape route is
advertised. Yes, I know - if a site search is conducted, a better
(non-free) image will be located. Jumping through hoops comes to
mind!

-- 
Brian.

Re: is it possible to add a secondary disk to an existing debian systems and install programs to the secondary disk

[Greg Wooledge]

Charles Curley (charlescur...@charlescurley.com) wrote:
> I also made the mistake of figuring that getting lvs installed would
> help solve the problem. I later realized that getting lvs installed
> would be irrelevant: the fact that it is not installed tells us what
> we needed to know: M. Ozlem isn't running LVM, so the solution to the
> problem is not simply to expand the current volume group (VG) onto the
> new hard drive. There is no current VG to expand.
> 
> So where do we go from here?

Yes, all of that is true and useful.

The real problem, though, is that the OP apparently *does not have* a
Debian installation at all.  They're just sticking a Live USB thingy
into a computer and running Debian from that.  Debian is not installed
on their computer, and they've stated that they have no intention of
installing it on their computer -- at least not on the current hard
drive which is dedicated to Microsoft Windows.

Once we learned that, I pretty much stopped paying attention to anything
else they said.

I'm guessing that their goal is to keep booting from their Live USB
thingy, but to use a second hard drive (which does not exist yet) as
some sort of auxiliary storage that will magically hold whatever they
want to install.

I might suggest that a *better* goal would be to install Debian on the
new hard drive (once it exists), and stop booting the Live system.

Re: is it possible to add a secondary disk to an existing debian systems and install programs to the secondary disk

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:56:34 +1100
David  wrote:

> However I am unsure why this was asked for.
> If you are not already using LVM [1] on your system
> then I would expect the 'lvs' command output to be blank.

M. Ozlem's original questions was, could one add another disk to a
debian system. Someone suggested using LVM. Someone else asked for the
output of the command

sudo lvs

M. Ozlem has had problems finding lvs in order to run it.

My guess is that M. Ozlem is fairly new at Linux/Unix, and missed
several cues most of us would have picked up on. One of them is that if
the lvm2 package isn't installed, M. Ozlem would get a complaint that
his OS couldn't find it. That complaint would tell most of us that he
didn't have LVM installed, and therefore using LVM to expand his system
would be problematic, probably requiring re-installation.

M. Ozlem didn't report this complaint, but instead asked which package
it was in, which started this side-line of emails. I replied with the
output of apt-file indicating the package M. Ozlem would have to
install in order to get the program lvs. I made the mistake of figuring
that M. Ozlem would read closely the output I provided.

I also made the mistake of figuring that getting lvs installed would
help solve the problem. I later realized that getting lvs installed
would be irrelevant: the fact that it is not installed tells us what
we needed to know: M. Ozlem isn't running LVM, so the solution to the
problem is not simply to expand the current volume group (VG) onto the
new hard drive. There is no current VG to expand.

So where do we go from here?

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Re: Debian install Question

[Anssi Saari]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> Try installing in expert mode (if the image boots), as far as I recall 
> there was an option to enable and use backports.

Thanks. Well, the referenced LWN discussion mentioned tethering and
indeed, plugging in my phone and enabling USB tethering resulted in a
detected network connection.

Re: clamav installation question

[Patrick Bartek]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:19:56 +0300
Semih Ozlem  wrote:

> Sorry, stopping and restarting the service seems to have solved the
> problem.

Does it work after a cold system restart without restarting it manually?
If not, my guess is some clamav or clamav-daemon dependency is not
getting loaded.  I'm not running the daemon and clamav run manually
works fine. Clamav-freshclam works fine, too, without manually starting
it.  But I'm not running a standard desktop set up. Just a window
manager and a panel.

B



> Semih Ozlem , 26 Şub 2021 Cum, 10:18
> tarihinde şunu yazdı:
> 
> > user@debian:~$ sudo systemctl status clamav-daemon.service
> > ● clamav-daemon.service - Clam AntiVirus userspace daemon
> >Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/clamav-daemon.service;
> > enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
> >   Drop-In: /etc/systemd/system/clamav-daemon.service.d
> >└─extend.conf
> >Active: inactive (dead)
> > Condition: start condition failed at Fri 2021-02-26 10:15:57 +03;
> > 1min 30s ago
> >└─
> > ConditionPathExistsGlob=/var/lib/clamav/daily.{c[vl]d,inc} was not
> > met Docs: man:clamd(8)
> >man:clamd.conf(5)
> >https://www.clamav.net/documents/
> >
> > Feb 26 10:15:57 debian systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Clam
> > AntiVirus userspace daemon being skipped.
> >
> > Charles Curley , 26 Şub 2021 Cum,
> > 09:54 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
> >  
> >> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:58:06 +0300
> >> Semih Ozlem  wrote:
> >>  
> >> > I am able to install clamav and clamav-daemon. It appears in
> >> > dpkg -l results. The problem is it is not functioning properly.
> >> > So I am wondering if anyone else had similar issues or not.  
> >>
> >> Can you be a bit more explicit? What did you get, and what were you
> >> expecting?

Re: Looking for a "text mode browser" (good description????)

[rhkramer]

(Aside (Ignore): I (my email system) apparently never received the "On Jo, 25 
feb 21, 17:43:49, Felix Miata wrote:" post -- not in (the kmail) trash 
(folder), not in my debian folder -- I suspect this happens every so often.  I 
should consider looking in gmail's trash folder -- maybe they filtered it out 
for some reason.)

On Friday, February 26, 2021 07:22:48 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 25 feb 21, 17:43:49, Felix Miata wrote:
> > 2.02 is where I'm from. Are there any email apps that will hunt down an
> > open web browser window and open an email link in a new tab in that open
> > window instead of some new window? The guarantee that that's what will
> > happen is one reason I've never considered migrating from SeaMonkey.

Works for me in Wheezy using the (then current) versions of KDE (kmail) and 
Firefox -- not sure about later versions.


> Works for me with (neo)mutt + urlview and Firefox[1].
> 
> Unfortunately Firefox insist to steal the focus then, so it's relegated
> to its own virtual desktop.
> 
> [1] it's unclear to me how Firefox chooses which window to use (last
> window with focus?), as I typically have several open.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Re: need to run the windows version of cura for amd64

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 26 February 2021 05:42:22 David wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 21:25, David  wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 06:51, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > > I may have made a mistake, but I bought a dremel digilab 3d45 FDM
> > > printer, aka a 3d printer.
> > >
> > > the
> > > dremel apparently considers the right rear of the plate as home,
> > > whereas the ender3 I also have uses the left front corner as home.
> >
> > I would have thought that would be a reconfigurable setting of the
> > machine's G-code interpreter, regardless of whatever software
> > you choose to drive it with.
> >
> > If that interpreter is 'Grbl' for example, the documentation is
> > here:
> > https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#3--directi
> >on-port-invert-mask
> > https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#23---homin
> >g-dir-invert-mask
>
> More explanation of $23 is here:
> https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Set-up-the-Homing-Cycle#homing-direc
>tion

They have put a toucjscreen gui in front of everything and I've not found 
anyplace to override its automatic calibrations, somethig its very easy 
to do to an ender 3 pro.  And its readily apparent that its firmware is 
not gpl'd altho the license tab scrolls thru all the gpl contributions 
in it including busybox. And they denied any connection between the lack 
of networking and my acceptance of a hidden eula. They promised to get 
back to me yesterday about its total lack of network connection with the 
exact same style of static settings that just works for 6 other machines 
here. But the day passed without a peep from them. At the price of it, 
I'd expect them to be giving my problems with it a MUCH higher priority.

Conncted to a usb extension cable, udev does find it but bitches because 
the extension cable is usb2.

[750334.478243] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=0
[750334.478249] usb 1-3: Product: Standard USB Hub
[750334.479881] hub 1-3:1.0: USB hub found
[750334.480012] hub 1-3:1.0: 4 ports detected
[750334.765533] usb 1-3.4: new full-speed USB device number 37 using 
xhci_hcd

Thats the 10 meter extension cable, which is not capable of usb3 speeds.

[750334.867767] usb 1-3.4: not running at top speed; connect to a high 
speed hub
[750334.868693] usb 1-3.4: New USB device found, idVendor=2a89, 
idProduct=888d, bcdDevice= 0.02
[750334.868704] usb 1-3.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=3
[750334.868710] usb 1-3.4: Product: BOSCH Dremel 3D Printer
[750334.868714] usb 1-3.4: Manufacturer: BOSCH
[750334.868719] usb 1-3.4: SerialNumber: 030077301

But the cura AppImage 4.8.0 can't find it, and they did admit that it 
could not have files dumped to it over the usb connection. So thats 
twice I've been denied access to an $1800 printer. That leaves 
sneakernet using a supplied 16Gigabyte usb key.  But the cura AppImage, 
while having access to serveral hundred printers so it can drive them, 
this printer is not in that list.

What I'd like to do is take that .exe apart, find that printers profile 
in it, and move it to the AppImage. But a pulmonary embolism I did 
manage to survive 7 years ago, something less than 2% survive those, has 
taken that ability away from me. That, and other side effects of 86 
years now has me hat in hand, humbly asking for help.

Thank you David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

[Brian]

On Thu 25 Feb 2021 at 14:32:49 +, Brian wrote:

> On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 22:47:59 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > On Thu 25 Feb 2021 at 10:36:40 (+0800), Robbi Nespu wrote:
> > 
> > > > 5. Create /lib/firmware: mkdir /lib/firmware and transfer the
> > > >firmware there.
> > > > 
> > > > 6. ALT-F1 to go back to d-i. d-i should now find the firmware.
> > 
> > Note that on most systems, steps 3 through 6 are unnecessary as
> > the installer will find the firmware itself anyway.
> 
> That's the advice given in Section 6.4.1 if the Installer Guide and,
> if it works, it works. However, I would not like to guarantee that it
> does, just as, in the case of the OP, the non-free installer ISO does
> not come up with installing the firmware.
> 
> Transferring the firmware files directly to where the installer kernel
> can find them seems more assured of success. If it doesn't, there is a
> big problem for the system both during and after installation.

Inspired by David Wright's and Robbi Nespu's contributions I adapted
my six-step advice to take advantage of preseeding. The needed firmware
files are assumed to be available in a directory named firmware on a
USB stick partition labelled FIRMWARE.

The following addition is made to the installer's kernel command line.
Press TAB when theinstallation choice is highlighted to make the line
visible. 

(The line is broken for readability).

   preseed/early_command="modprobe vfat ; sleep 2 ; \
   mount /dev/disk/by-label/FIRMWARE /media ;   \
   cp -a /media/firmware /lib"

Firmware blob location and loading is put with the installer kernel
rather than have the installer, sometimes unreliably, locating and
dealing with the files.

-- 
Brian.

Non-free firmware [was: Debian install Question]

[tomas]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:08:26PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 25 feb 21, 11:53:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > No worries. Things happen -- and in this case you happened to step
> > onto a sticky issue which has no "nice" solution. The two extremes
> > 
> >  (a) Debian should be a free distribution. If you're holding a
> >Debian "CD" [1] on your hands, you should be safe trusting
> >that all the stuff in there is free to use, study, modify
> >and give to others
> > 
> >  (b) Debian should be welcoming to newbies, it should be easy
> >to install
> > 
> > This is a point of conflict, and won't be solved as long as there
> > are hardware companies out there saying "my firmware is MINE and
> > you are not allowed to redistribute it" while at the same time
~~
> > spreading this oh-too-valuable-stuff all over the Internets.
> 
> It's more complicated than this. Debian is allowed distribute the 
> firmware (otherwise it wouldn't be included in non-free or in the 
> image), but the firmware doesn't satisfy one or more of the requirements 
> in the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG)[1].

You're right. This was a too-abbreviated version. So much as
to be wrong.

There are those cases -- where the end user is supposed to
download the stuff directly; there, the Debian package is
just a wrapper which does the download and marks the package
as installed. But this isn't typical for firmware, it happens
rather with video drivers et al.

For firmware, you might encounter other nasties, like (as
you stated) no source, perhaps some form of prohibition
of reverse engineering (legally void in many jurisdictions
anyway)... lots of stuff contradicting DFSG.

Whether that's progress or not depends on your goals, of course.
That's why Debian tries hard to keep things separate.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: is it possible to add a secondary disk to an existing debian systems and install programs to the secondary disk

[Greg Wooledge]

Semih Ozlem (semihozlemlinuxu...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Is lvs linux virtual server?
> 
> I am not able to find a command or a file with the name lvs...

Here, I found it for you:

> Charles Curley , 26 Şub 2021 Cum, 09:53
> tarihinde şunu yazdı:
> > charles@hawk:~$ apt-file search /lvs | grep lvs$
> > bash-completion: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/lvs
> > lvm2: /sbin/lvs
> > charles@hawk:~$

It was right there in the email to which you replied.

Maybe if you tried reading from top to bottom instead of writing from
bottom to top and ignoring the part you replied to...?

As you can see from Charles's email, the command is in the /sbin/
directory and is part of the lvm2 package.  If you don't have that
package installed, then you won't have that command.

If you want to know what the command does, without installing it, you
can look up the man page online, at .

Re: Looking for a "text mode browser" (good description????)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 25 feb 21, 17:43:49, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> 2.02 is where I'm from. Are there any email apps that will hunt down an open 
> web
> browser window and open an email link in a new tab in that open window 
> instead of
> some new window? The guarantee that that's what will happen is one reason I've
> never considered migrating from SeaMonkey.

Works for me with (neo)mutt + urlview and Firefox[1].

Unfortunately Firefox insist to steal the focus then, so it's relegated 
to its own virtual desktop.

[1] it's unclear to me how Firefox chooses which window to use (last 
window with focus?), as I typically have several open.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Debian install Question

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 25 feb 21, 18:30:55, Anssi Saari wrote:
> 
> But what if someone needs a newer kernel than 4.19 too? My chosen HW
> needs kernel 5.1 for wifi and 5.9 for ethernet plus FW from Intel and
> Realtek. And no, I don't want to install testing or unstable. Or Ubuntu.
> 
> I figured I'll install from a USB stick and I have the debs from
> buster-backports for a 5.10 kernel and firmware and hope I can install
> those from a USB stick too.
 
Try installing in expert mode (if the image boots), as far as I recall 
there was an option to enable and use backports.

Hope this helps,
Andrei
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Re: Debian install Question

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 25 feb 21, 11:53:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> No worries. Things happen -- and in this case you happened to step
> onto a sticky issue which has no "nice" solution. The two extremes
> 
>  (a) Debian should be a free distribution. If you're holding a
>Debian "CD" [1] on your hands, you should be safe trusting
>that all the stuff in there is free to use, study, modify
>and give to others
> 
>  (b) Debian should be welcoming to newbies, it should be easy
>to install
> 
> This is a point of conflict, and won't be solved as long as there
> are hardware companies out there saying "my firmware is MINE and
> you are not allowed to redistribute it" while at the same time
> spreading this oh-too-valuable-stuff all over the Internets.

It's more complicated than this. Debian is allowed distribute the 
firmware (otherwise it wouldn't be included in non-free or in the 
image), but the firmware doesn't satisfy one or more of the requirements 
in the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG)[1].

Apparently some firmwares even would satisfy the DFSG (in theory), but 
the hardware accepts only firmware signed by the manufacturer, so Debian 
can't rebuild it from source.

I'd say this is still progress (compared to not having the source at 
all).

[1] https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: need to run the windows version of cura for amd64

[David]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 21:25, David  wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 06:51, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> > I may have made a mistake, but I bought a dremel digilab 3d45 FDM
> > printer, aka a 3d printer.

> > the
> > dremel apparently considers the right rear of the plate as home, whereas
> > the ender3 I also have uses the left front corner as home.

> I would have thought that would be a reconfigurable setting of the
> machine's G-code interpreter, regardless of whatever software
> you choose to drive it with.

> If that interpreter is 'Grbl' for example, the documentation is here:
> https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#3--direction-port-invert-mask
> https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#23---homing-dir-invert-mask

More explanation of $23 is here:
https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Set-up-the-Homing-Cycle#homing-direction

Re: need to run the windows version of cura for amd64

[David]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 06:51, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> I may have made a mistake, but I bought a dremel digilab 3d45 FDM
> printer, aka a 3d printer.

> the
> dremel apparently considers the right rear of the plate as home, whereas
> the ender3 I also have uses the left front corner as home.

I would have thought that would be a reconfigurable setting of the
machine's G-code interpreter, regardless of whatever software
you choose to drive it with.

If that interpreter is 'Grbl' for example, the documentation is here:
https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#3--direction-port-invert-mask
https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration#23---homing-dir-invert-mask

Re: is it possible to add a secondary disk to an existing debian systems and install programs to the secondary disk

[David]

[I re-arranged this to correct the top-posting]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 16:54, Semih Ozlem  wrote:
> martin f krafft , 23 Şub 2021 Sal, 13:30 tarihinde şunu 
> yazdı:

>> Maybe I can provide a quick and easy solution, depending on what happens 
>> when you type
>> $ sudo lvs
>> into a terminal. Could you let us know what that spits out?

> lvs is in which package?

My guess is that the 'lvs' mentioned is intended to be the
'lvs' in the 'lvm2' package, as shown below.

root@kablamm:~# type lvs
lvs is /sbin/lvs
root@kablamm:~# dpkg -S /sbin/lvs
lvm2: /sbin/lvs

However I am unsure why this was asked for.
If you are not already using LVM [1] on your system
then I would expect the 'lvs' command output to be blank.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)