Re: disco hot swap

[Camaleón]

El 2021-10-19 a las 20:26 -0600, Rick Gutierrez escribió:

> hola lista , posteo una duda que no he logrado de quitar , al dia de
> hoy en linux no se puede tener hot swap , estoy queriendo armar una
> cabina de discos hot swap y poder quitar y meter discos en caliente.
> 
> alguien con mas experiencia en este tema.

Se puede (hay soporte) pero que funcione correctamente es distinto. Yo 
por desconexión en caliente entiendo poder quitar el disco sata sin más 
pasos, es decir, sin tener que ejecutar órdenes previas.
El problema es que para que eso fucnione debe de existir una armoniosa 
sucesión de circunstancias y eventos que no siempre se dan:

1. Que el disco duro sata admita hotswap (y lo aplique correctamente)
2. Que la controladora sata admita hotswap (y lo aplique correctamente)
3. Que el cable sata admita hotswap (y lo aplique correctamente)
4. Que el chasis (la cabina de discos) admita hotswap (y lo aplique 
correctamente)
5. Que el kernel admita hotwsap
6. Que el epacio del usuario admita hotwasp
n. Etc...

Mi experiencia personal es que no funciona bien, al menos directamente, 
es decir, como sucede con una conexión USB, sin hacer nada (o pocas 
cosas) de manera previa. 

En mi equipo de trabajo, con discos que «supuestamente» admiten 
hotswap, si extraigo el disco de su cabina sin más, el kernel se 
queja.

En los servidores, con controladora hardware raid y niveles 1 y 5 
definidos, cuando un disco se cae de la matriz, el sistema sigue 
funcionando y el volumen de datos sigue disponible pero el kernel se 
queja como un cochinillo, el registro se vuelve muy verboso alertando 
de que falta un miembro de la matriz y el sistema se ralentiza en 
exceso. Es mejor reconstruir el raid cuanto antes.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón 

Re: grub2 uefi et raid

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le mardi 19 octobre 2021, Kohler Gerard a écrit...


> Le problème : je ne me rappelle plus quel est le Debian qui gère le Grub, ni
> sur quel disque et quelle partition il est installé.
> 
> comment faire pour avoir ces réponses ?

Avec `fdisk -l` ou au menu de grub lors du boot (commande `find` de grub).

> habituellement pour installer une nouvelle version je clone ma partition
> système et je fais un upgrade. comment faire pour réinstaller Grub et sur
> quelle partition/DD ?

Avec grub-install, je pense.

-- 
jm

disco hot swap

[Rick Gutierrez]

hola lista , posteo una duda que no he logrado de quitar , al dia de
hoy en linux no se puede tener hot swap , estoy queriendo armar una
cabina de discos hot swap y poder quitar y meter discos en caliente.

alguien con mas experiencia en este tema.

-- 
rickygm

http://gnuforever.homelinux.com

Re: users-admin qui plante sur debian 11

[Th.A.C]

Le 19/10/2021 à 23:38, hamster a écrit :

Ca marche impeccable. Merci beaucoup. J'avoue que sur un site en russe, 
j'aurais zappé direct sans meme aller voir les bouts de code.




Nickel

Sinon, les sites en russe avec un bon traducteur, on trouve des trucs 
vraiment sympas.

J'ai dépanné plusieurs clé USB pour de amis grâce aux sites russes.

KDE Plasma não inicia após atualização

[Cráudio]

Olá, pessoal!

Após simplesmente uma atualização de pacotes, o KDE Plasma passou a congelar 
após efetuar o login no início do sistema, no modo gráfico.

O log em anexo foi produzido por meio do comando: grep erro /var/log/syslog

Alguém conseguiria me indicar algum caminho?

Agradeço desde já pela atenção.

Cráudio (vulgo Cláudio Brandão)

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email.aa5720 error:0 in libkdecorations2.so.5.23.0[7fd9245f7000+f000]
Oct 17 21:05:09 debian-xps sddm[2219]: Authentication error: "Process crashed"
Oct 17 21:05:09 debian-xps sddm[2219]: Authentication error: "Process crashed"
Oct 17 21:05:09 debian-xps kactivitymanagerd[4406]: The X11 connection broke 
(error 1). Did the X11 server die?
Oct 17 21:05:09 debian-xps kglobalaccel5[4412]: The X11 connection broke (error 
1). Did the X11 server die?
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps alsactl[1604]: alsa-lib parser.c:242:(error_node) 
UCM is not supported for this HDA model (HDA Intel HDMI at 0xf7a14000 irq 37)
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps alsactl[1604]: alsa-lib 
main.c:1405:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:0 use case 
configuration -6
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps alsactl[1604]: alsa-lib parser.c:242:(error_node) 
UCM is not supported for this HDA model (HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7a1 irq 36)
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps alsactl[1604]: alsa-lib 
main.c:1405:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:1 use case 
configuration -6
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps alsactl[1604]: alsa-lib parser.c:242:(error_node) 
UCM is not supported for this HDA model (HDA NVidia at 0xf708 irq 17)
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps alsactl[1604]: alsa-lib 
main.c:1405:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:2 use case 
configuration -6
Oct 17 21:05:45 debian-xps kernel: [   14.110346] EXT4-fs (dm-1): re-mounted. 
Opts: errors=remount-ro. Quota mode: none.
Oct 17 21:05:47 debian-xps systemd[4450]: gpgconf: error running 
'/usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon': probably not installed
Oct 17 21:05:48 debian-xps kernel: [   18.064072] nouveau :01:00.0: Direct 
firmware load for nouveau/nv108_fuc084 failed with error -2
Oct 17 21:05:48 debian-xps kernel: [   18.064080] nouveau :01:00.0: Direct 
firmware load for nouveau/nv108_fuc084d failed with error -2
Oct 17 21:05:56 debian-xps systemd[4595]: gpgconf: error running 
'/usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon': probably not installed
Oct 17 21:05:56 debian-xps systemd-xdg-autostart-generator[4612]: Not 
generating service for XDG autostart 
app-org.kde.latte\x2ddock@autostart.service, error parsing Exec= line: No such 
file or directory
Oct 17 21:05:57 debian-xps kernel: [   26.984133] nouveau :01:00.0: Direct 
firmware load for nouveau/nv108_fuc084 failed with error -2
Oct 17 21:05:57 debian-xps kernel: [   26.984142] nouveau :01:00.0: Direct 
firmware load for nouveau/nv108_fuc084d failed with error -2
root@debian-xps:/home/craudio# 

Re: users-admin qui plante sur debian 11

[hamster]

Le 19/10/2021 à 00:42, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :

Serait-il possible de lancer l'application via le terminal en utilisant
sudo ?


Meme comportement, meme message d'erreur.

Le 19/10/2021 à 00:56, Th.A.C a écrit :
> et sinon, là ca ressemble bien à ton problème:
> https://vk.com/@linux_windows_net-linux-mint-oshibka
>
> voir surtout les 2 encadrés avec des commandes shell

Ca marche impeccable. Merci beaucoup. J'avoue que sur un site en russe, 
j'aurais zappé direct sans meme aller voir les bouts de code.

Re: Keyboard prevents screensaver & scrolling terminal window

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Jeff wrote:
> KeyPress event, [...]
>   keycode 248

Seems to be considered a firmware bug of the keyboard which might become
repairable in the future:
  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=267365


> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=105326

Such old wisdom will probably fade away with the demise of X.
I wonder if the udev rule in above bbs.archlinux.org thread will survive
longer.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian's branches and release model

[Brian]

On Tue 19 Oct 2021 at 11:09:04 -0400, Peter Hoist wrote:

> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals
> >
> 
> Great list, contains a lot of what I have to say.

Almost all from 10+ years ago. Things have moved on during that time.
Maybe the annonynous author has too. Don't expect that page's comtent
to necessarily influence the future of Debian.

> The fact that debian is laser focused on stable, and does not officially
> encourage using testing as a rolling release (as evidenced from a couple
> replies to this email chain), yet there are still people doing it, is a
> testament of how good debian is. Just don't abandon us:)

You will not be abandonned but your desires, whatever they are, will
not be catered for in the way you want. CUT was tried; it failed.

Stick with what you are doing if it keeps you happy.

-- 
Brian.

Re: PCSX2 GPU hang

[piorunz]

On 19/10/2021 03:58, Matthew McAllister wrote:

Hi folks,

I've discovered that PCSX2 causes an Intel GPU hang on bullseye.



-- System Information:
Debian Release: 11.1
   APT prefers stable-security
   APT policy: (500, 'stable-security'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 5.12.0 (SMP w/4 CPU threads)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_OOT_MODULE,
TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE


You are using non-bullseye kernel, bullseye is on 5.10.0-9-amd64. Where
is that from?

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
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Re: Pb lancement firefox depuis Thunderbird

[Billard François-Marie]

Bonsoir

merci pour cette précision technique que je ne connaissait pas.

François-Marie

Le 19/10/2021 à 20:21, Th.A.C a écrit :



Le 19/10/2021 à 20:18, Th.A.C a écrit :




Un moyen de vérifier rapidement est d'arrêter apparmor:
sudo systemctl start apparmor

   . stop  

houps...

grub2 uefi et raid

[Kohler Gerard]

bonjour,

voulant installer la version testing je me heurte à un problème bête :

Ma machine est dotée d'UEFI.

j'ai 3 DD dont les deux premiers sont montés en RAID1 (/dev/sda et 
/dev/sdb) et ils contiennent mes données, le troisième (/dev/sdc) est 
mon disque système.


sur mon disque système j'ai plusieurs partitions avec des versions de 
Debian différentes .


Au démarrage Grub me permet de choisir entre les différents systèmes 
Debian (j'ai 5 Debian différents, des versions historiques ...).


Le problème : je ne me rappelle plus quel est le Debian qui gère le 
Grub, ni sur quel disque et quelle partition il est installé.


comment faire pour avoir ces réponses ?

autre question :

habituellement pour installer une nouvelle version je clone ma partition 
système et je fais un upgrade. comment faire pour réinstaller Grub et 
sur quelle partition/DD ?


merci de votre aide

Gérard

Re: Keyboard prevents screensaver & scrolling terminal window

[Jeff]

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your suggestion.

On 17/10/2021 13:53, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

If your suspicion is right, xev should show lots of such Key* events
as soon as its receiver window gets the focus, without you pressing any
key at the keyboard. In that case, end xev and look at the messages
on the terminal window or in file  /tmp/xev.log .


Yup:

KeyPress event, serial 68, synthetic NO, window 0x661,
 root 0x238, subw 0x0, time 3095352, (168,-22), root:(1030,437),
 state 0x110, keycode 248 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
 XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
 XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
 XFilterEvent returns: False

Which sent me here:

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=105326

In my case, there were multiple devices called "Cherry Keyboard", so I 
used the following to disable the one sending the spurious events:


Section "InputClass"
Identifier "disable cherry key"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event4"
Option "Ignore" "on"
EndSection

Thanks for the help!

Regards

Jeff



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Re: Where is a list of kernel messages ?

[Darac Marjal]

On 18/10/2021 22:16, C.T.F. Jansen wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Where is there a list of linux kernel messages ?
> So far not found on :
>
>  - google
>  - Debian linux or kernel documentation, specifically linux-doc etc.
>  - not seem in /usr/share/doc
>
>  - www.kernel.org
>
> If they are there then it's time for the discovery process to be
> shortened.
I think the best place to look IS in the kernel source itself.
>
> Two messages that I'm interested in are :
>
>    kernel: [ 6997.564065] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] tag#3 data cmplt err -71
> uas-tag 4 inflight: CMD
This appears to be generated at
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/uas.c?h=v5.14.13#n424
>
>    kernel: [ 6997.564108] usb 2-1.4: stat urb: status -71
This appears to be generated at
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/uas.c?h=v5.14.13#n320
>
> The machine currently has  Debian 9 and a new disk dock and new
> internal hard disk set to go in the disk dock.
> The messages may be a result of the OS being too back level for the
> newer hardware. A Debian 11 implementation is in process.
>
> Thanks.
>
> frank.jan...@actrix.gen.nz, ZL2TTS
>



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Re: Pb lancement firefox depuis Thunderbird

[Th.A.C]

Le 19/10/2021 à 20:18, Th.A.C a écrit :




Un moyen de vérifier rapidement est d'arrêter apparmor:
sudo systemctl start apparmor

   . stop  

houps...

Re: Pb lancement firefox depuis Thunderbird

[Th.A.C]

Le 19/10/2021 à 13:59, Billard François-Marie a écrit :

Bonjour

je suis sous Debian 11 avec installés : Firefox 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1 et 
à coté dans le répertoire /opt/firefox la version 93.0 (64 bits).


Cette dernière version est dans un répertoire dont les groupe et 
propriétaire sont "root"


Quand je tente d'ouvrir un lien contenu dans un mail depuis thunderbird 
je peux choisir avec quelle application et si je choisi la version 93.0 
rien ne se passe. Un essai en lançant thunderbid depuis un terminal ne 
donne pas plus d'informations.


Même en réglant les droits de /opt/firefox à 777 je n'obtiens rien de plus.

Je poste ici car je me demande si ce n'est pas un histoire de droit ou 
un truc du genre.


Merci par avance pour votre aide

François-Marie



ce n'est pas une histoire de propriétaire, mais de protection.

C'est très probablement lié au logiciel apparmor qui surveille qui lance 
quoi et si un executable ou un fichier n'est pas autorisé il est bloqué.


Le problème est que les fichiers de configuration de apparmor bloquent 
une grosse partie de ce qui est dans /opt.


J'avais essayé de débloquer firefox installé comme toi dans/opt/firefox, 
mais ca  m'obligeait à modifier des fichiers de configuration installés 
et très probablement mis à jour par le paquet apparmor.


J'ai abandonné au vu de la complexité et du risque de mal reconfigurer 
apparmor.


Tu peux déja avoir une idée de ce qui se passe avec une commande comme 
celle-ci:

sudo dmesg |grep -i "apparmor"

ou

sudo dmesg |grep -i "apparmor=\"denied\""

pour voir ce que apparmor a bloqué


Un moyen de vérifier rapidement est d'arrêter apparmor:
sudo systemctl start apparmor

puis tu regardes si firefox se lance depuis thunderbird

n'oublie pas de relancer apparmor ensuite:
sudo systemctl start apparmor

Re: Debian

[Dan Ritter]

David Wright wrote: 
> On Tue 19 Oct 2021 at 06:41:14 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:
> > On 10/19/21 6:08 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > It's getting towards off-topic, but I can confirm that just
> > > because a person is working on a CS master's degree, that
> > > doesn't mean they have any degree of competence.
> > > 
> > > There is a major university here in the Boston area where the CS
> > > undergrads are consistently better than the graduate students.
> > > My company gets many of both interviewing for temporary positions.
> > > The undergrads tend to be clever, curious, and ready to learn;
> > > the grad students are frequently (not always) prone to making up
> > > fantasy answers rather than admitting that they don't know
> > > something.
> 
> That can be caused by selection bias: you're offering something
> attractive to the brighter students at undergraduate level; by the
> time those brighter students have graduated, they may already be
> networking with a wider geographical range of institutions offering
> something more permanent.

I actually fear that the selection bias is in a different place:
the undergrads are the product of a competitive academic
process; the grad students appear to have been selected for
ability to pay.

-dsr-

Re: Debian

[piorunz]

On 19/10/2021 16:29, David Wright wrote:

I suspect "courtneyxshort" is not in a local[e] that is native English speaking

That seems unlikely, seeing as they post in British Summer Time
through an IP address owned by BSKYB-BROADBAND (Sky UK Limited)
that geolocates around Northolt/Uxbridge, near the east end of
the so-called Silicon Corridor.


Yep. Nailed it. "Courtney" is in the UK, has got @btinternet.com e-mail
address which is for BT Group plc (trading as BT and formerly British
Telecom) customers only.

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Re: Debian

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:11:56PM +0100, courtneyxshort wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves me
> downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I have
> been unsuccessful.  I've watched Youtube videos/ read the information on
> your website and I am still unable to do this.
> 
> Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.
> 
> Courtney

Hi Courtney,

If you mean downloading the Debian install media - that's one thing.

If you mean installing Debian so as to dual boot natively into Debian/MacOS - 
that's something different and a fair bit harder. It will also only
work on a Mac which has Intel chips inside - not the later ARM M1 Macs.

If you mean installing Debian into a virtual machine under MacOS: that's 
another thing again. You might well need a commercial program - 
Parallels / VMWare Fusion or whatever.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

CalyxOS

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Re: Debian

[Curt]

On 2021-10-19, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 08:10:02AM -0400, lou wrote:
>> On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:
>> > > > I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
>> > > > me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and 
>> > > > I
>> > > > have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
>> > > > information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
>> > > > Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so 
>> > > > grateful.
>> > > > Courtney
>> > > 
>> > 
>> 
>> Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian on 
>> Mac??
>> it's quite unbelievable.
>
> No, that's fully believable.  It's a fairly specialized knowledge set,
> which a Computer Science student may not possess.
>
> What's more worrying is the vagueness of the help request.  You'd think
> such a student would provide at least a modicum of detail, like which
> model computer they're using, which version of Debian they tried to
> download (and install??) and what the error message said.
>
>

Computer "Sigh"ence, I guess.

Re: Debian

[David Wright]

On Tue 19 Oct 2021 at 06:41:14 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote:
> On 10/19/21 6:08 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > piorunz wrote:
> > > On 19/10/2021 13:10, lou wrote:
> > > > On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:
> > > > > > > I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree 
> > > > > > > involves
> > > > > > > me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times
> > > > > > > and I
> > > > > > > have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
> > > > > > > information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
> > > > > > > Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so
> > > > > > > grateful.
> > > > > > > Courtney
> > > > Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian
> > > > on Mac??
> > > > it's quite unbelievable.
> > > > 
> > > Yep, sounds fishy.
> > It's getting towards off-topic, but I can confirm that just
> > because a person is working on a CS master's degree, that
> > doesn't mean they have any degree of competence.
> > 
> > There is a major university here in the Boston area where the CS
> > undergrads are consistently better than the graduate students.
> > My company gets many of both interviewing for temporary positions.
> > The undergrads tend to be clever, curious, and ready to learn;
> > the grad students are frequently (not always) prone to making up
> > fantasy answers rather than admitting that they don't know
> > something.

That can be caused by selection bias: you're offering something
attractive to the brighter students at undergraduate level; by the
time those brighter students have graduated, they may already be
networking with a wider geographical range of institutions offering
something more permanent.

> that is an interesting observation, similar to mine interviewing for
> civil engineering and land surveying positions
> 
> I suspect "courtneyxshort" is not in a local[e] that is native English 
> speaking

That seems unlikely, seeing as they post in British Summer Time
through an IP address owned by BSKYB-BROADBAND (Sky UK Limited)
that geolocates around Northolt/Uxbridge, near the east end of
the so-called Silicon Corridor.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian's branches and release model

[Peter Hoist]

>
> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals
>

Great list, contains a lot of what I have to say.

The fact that debian is laser focused on stable, and does not officially
encourage using testing as a rolling release (as evidenced from a couple
replies to this email chain), yet there are still people doing it, is a
testament of how good debian is. Just don't abandon us:)

If testing is part of QA, then popularizing it should benefit. Staying
closer to upstream releases gets my vote. Quote from the page, "Looks like
it's time for action! Somebody (maybe the Debian project leader) should
pick up the hot potato and compile a list of the proposals which are going
to be adopted. Flame wars ensue. Then Debian emerges renewed, as a phoenix
from the ashes."

cheers,
P

Re: [Sid] Firefox problem

[Grzesiek]

On 10/18/21 5:35 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 10:55:45 +0200
Grzesiek  wrote:


Hi there,

On some of machines I use, after opening of Firefox I get empty browser
window (with menus, decorations etc) but nothing else is displayed. Its
impossible to open menu, type address, etc. The only thing you can do is
to close the window. After changing display configuration (rotate to
portrait, adding external monitor..) it starts to work as expected. You
do not even need to reopen. Moreover, it looks that Firefox was running
ok all the time but nothing was displayed.
After recent updates on some machines I get the same problem using
firefox-esr.
The only error mesg I get is:
###!!! [Parent][RunMessage] Error: Channel closing: too late to
send/recv, messages will be lost


I don't know what that message means, but I frequently get a similar
message from Firefox, despite the fact that the program is (mostly)
functional.

###!!! [Child][RunMessage] Error: Channel closing: too late to send/recv, 
messages will be lost


So the message is not related to the problem

Re: [Sid] Firefox problem

[Grzesiek]

On 10/17/21 8:40 PM, harrywea...@tutanota.com wrote:



17 Oct 2021, 18:55 by p...@sojka.co:


Hi there,

On some of machines I use, after opening of Firefox I get empty browser window 
(with menus, decorations etc) but nothing else is displayed. Its impossible to 
open menu, type address, etc. The only thing you can do is to close the window. 
After changing display configuration (rotate to portrait, adding external 
monitor..) it starts to work as expected. You do not even need to reopen. 
Moreover, it looks that Firefox was running ok all the time but nothing was 
displayed.
After recent updates on some machines I get the same problem using firefox-esr.
The only error mesg I get is:
###!!! [Parent][RunMessage] Error: Channel closing: too late to send/recv, 
messages will be lost


I'm running 91.2.0 esr on SID and I'm not seeing any of this.
I find it performs better on some sites than others, so use Falkon as well, but 
general performance is good without these symptoms.


Well, I have 7 machines running Sid and on 4 of it Firefox is running 
ok. Thus I'm perfectly aware that on some configuration there are no 
(significant) issues with Firefox.


Regards
Greg

Re: Disk partitioning phase of installation

[Brian]

On Mon 18 Oct 2021 at 11:07:05 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 16 Oct 2021 at 18:47:25 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 16 Oct 2021 at 10:12:34 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >
> > [Lots of snipping]
> >
> > > If you want to see a blow-by-blow example of the partitioner, you
> > > could revisit this post from a while back. IIRC the thread exercises
> > > most of the wrinkles that could occur if the user interface is
> > > misunderstood.
> > >
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00153.html
> > >
> > > It's difficult to envisage a time when each and every d-i screen would
> > > be documented at this sort of level. I've no idea what the "limits" are
> > > of which you speak.
> >
> > The Installer Guide dots many i's and crosses many t's. However,
> > you yourself have  sent many fine text screeshots of the installer
> > in action to -user.(I have never found out how they were produced).
> >
> > One picture is worth..., etc. I wonder whether the Guide would
> > benefit from an appendix showing something similar.
>
> Expert install, step 1¹ is:
>
>   ┌┤ [?] Load installer components from CD 
> ├┐
>   │   
>   │
>   │ All components of the installer needed to complete the install will be 
> loaded   │
>   │ automatically and are not listed here. Some other (optional) installer
>   │
>   │ components are shown below. They are probably not necessary, but may be   
>   │
>   │ interesting to some users.
>   │
>   │   
>   │
>   │ Note that if you select a component that requires others, those 
> components  │
>   │ will also be loaded.  
>   │
>   │   
>   │
>   │ Installer components to load: 
>   │
>   │………………………………   
>   │
>   │[*] network-console: Continue installation remotely using SSH  
>▒  │
>   │………………………………   
>   │
>   │   
>   │
>   │ 
>  │
>   │   
>   │
>   
> └─┘
>
> When you see the opportunity to execute this command, step 2 is:
>
>   ┌┤ [?] Debian installer main menu ├┐
>   │  │
>   │ Choose the next step in the install process: │
>   │  │
>   │  ………………………   │
>   │  Detect network hardware │
>   │  Configure the network   │
>   │  Continue installation remotely using SSH ← I faked this line ²  │
>   │  Set up users and passwords  │
>   │  ………………………   │
>   │  │
>   └──┘
>
>   ┌┤ [!!] Continue installation remotely using SSH 
> ├┐
>   │   
>   │
>   │ You need to set a password for remote access to the Debian installer. A   
>   │
>   │ malicious or unqualified user with access to the installer can have 
> disastrous  │
>   │ results, so you should take care to choose a password that is not easy to 
>   │
>   │ guess. It should not be a word found in the dictionary, or a word that 
> could be │
>   │ easily associated with you, like your middle name.
>   │
>   │   
>   │
>   │ This password is only used by the Debian installer, and will be discarded 
> once  │
>   │ you finish the installation.  
>   │
>   │   
>   │
>   │ Remote installation password: 
>   │
>   │   
>   │
>   │ _  

[Sid] csync2 startup scripts

[Grzesiek Sójka]

I think there is something wrong with scync2 startup scripts:

# systemctl status csync2.service
○ csync2.service - LSB: Cluster file synchronization daemon
 Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/csync2; generated)
 Active: inactive (dead) since Tue 2021-10-19 15:44:16 CEST; 7min ago
   Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
Process: 1220 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/csync2 start (code=exited, 
status=0/SUCCESS)
Process: 1859 ExecStop=/etc/init.d/csync2 stop (code=exited, 
status=0/SUCCESS)

CPU: 28ms

Oct 19 15:08:42 Artemis systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Cluster file 
synchronization daemon...
Oct 19 15:08:42 Artemis csync2[1220]: Starting Cluster file 
synchronization daemon: csync2
Oct 19 15:08:42 Artemis systemd[1]: Started LSB: Cluster file 
synchronization daemon.
Oct 19 15:44:16 Artemis systemd[1]: Stopping LSB: Cluster file 
synchronization daemon...
Oct 19 15:44:16 Artemis csync2[1864]: start-stop-daemon: 
--remove-pidfile requires --pidfile
Oct 19 15:44:16 Artemis csync2[1864]: Try 'start-stop-daemon --help' for 
more information.
Oct 19 15:44:16 Artemis systemd[1]: csync2.service: Deactivated 
successfully.
Oct 19 15:44:16 Artemis systemd[1]: Stopped LSB: Cluster file 
synchronization daemon.

Re: Debian

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 10/19/2021 09:08 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

piorunz wrote:

On 19/10/2021 13:10, lou wrote:

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:

I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times
and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so
grateful.
Courtney

Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian
on Mac??
it's quite unbelievable.


Yep, sounds fishy.

It's getting towards off-topic, but I can confirm that just
because a person is working on a CS master's degree, that
doesn't mean they have any degree of competence.

There is a major university here in the Boston area where the CS
undergrads are consistently better than the graduate students.
My company gets many of both interviewing for temporary positions.
The undergrads tend to be clever, curious, and ready to learn;
the grad students are frequently (not always) prone to making up
fantasy answers rather than admitting that they don't know
something.

-dsr-


I will agree that this thread is approaching 0ff-topic, but I find some 
of the replies rather amusing.


--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
www.molecular-modeling.net
614.312.7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Debian

[Peter Ehlert]

On 10/19/21 6:08 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

piorunz wrote:

On 19/10/2021 13:10, lou wrote:

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:

I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times
and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so
grateful.
Courtney

Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian
on Mac??
it's quite unbelievable.


Yep, sounds fishy.

It's getting towards off-topic, but I can confirm that just
because a person is working on a CS master's degree, that
doesn't mean they have any degree of competence.

There is a major university here in the Boston area where the CS
undergrads are consistently better than the graduate students.
My company gets many of both interviewing for temporary positions.
The undergrads tend to be clever, curious, and ready to learn;
the grad students are frequently (not always) prone to making up
fantasy answers rather than admitting that they don't know
something.

-dsr-

that is an interesting observation, similar to mine interviewing for 
civil engineering and land surveying positions


I suspect "courtneyxshort" is not in a local that is native English speaking

Re: Debian

[Dan Ritter]

piorunz wrote: 
> On 19/10/2021 13:10, lou wrote:
> > On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:
> > > > > I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
> > > > > me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times
> > > > > and I
> > > > > have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
> > > > > information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
> > > > > Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so
> > > > > grateful.
> > > > > Courtney
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian
> > on Mac??
> > it's quite unbelievable.
> > 
> Yep, sounds fishy.

It's getting towards off-topic, but I can confirm that just
because a person is working on a CS master's degree, that
doesn't mean they have any degree of competence.

There is a major university here in the Boston area where the CS
undergrads are consistently better than the graduate students.
My company gets many of both interviewing for temporary positions.
The undergrads tend to be clever, curious, and ready to learn;
the grad students are frequently (not always) prone to making up
fantasy answers rather than admitting that they don't know
something.

-dsr-

Re: Debian

[piorunz]

On 19/10/2021 13:10, lou wrote:

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:

I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times
and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so
grateful.
Courtney






Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian
on Mac??
it's quite unbelievable.


Yep, sounds fishy.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄

Re: Recommended KVM box: HDMI (video), USB (mouse+kb+periferal), 4-port

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 06:21:34 AM Tom Browder wrote:
> Thanks! I forget about ebay—I only used it once many years ago. And the
> Belkin products I’ve used in the past have worked fine.

You're welcome!

I buy quite a few things off ebay (for some definition of quite a few) -- some 
used things, mostly new, from the far east, with very few bad experiences (and 
all but two of those resolved by the ebay or PayPal money back policies. 

ebay has extended the (money back) gurantee period to longer than 30 days 
(maybe 60 days now?), and they start the period when you receive your order 
(or it should have been received) so the long shipping times from the far east 
are no longer the same issue.  And PayPal now has a 6-month guarantee period, 
so if you pay with PayPal and miss the ebay guarantee, you can use the PayPal 
guarantee.  (Obviously, those guarantees don't cover everything -- I have 
mainly used them for the few cases of non-delivery I've had.)

(Aside: When I look at my ebay account, I see "(356)" behind my name -- I 
don't know if that means I made 356 transactions (almost all purchanses) on 
ebay since I started using them (at least since 2012, maybe before that)

One of the aggravating ones was some seller of NiMH cells (AAA) (a vendor 
using the trade name "hot-rc".  

I ordered 24 AAA cells rated at 1800 maHr.  I tested a few, and wrote to tell 
him the cells were not holding anywhere near the 1800 maHr charge (much less 
than 100 maHr) he asked me to test them all.  I wrote back to tell him it 
would take me a while to do that.

When I finished testing them and wrote back to him, he essentially laughed at 
me because it was past the 30-day (iirc, at the time) money back period.

I'd like to find (or start) a hall of shame for ebay sellers -- I have one or 
two others I'd add to the list.  

Oh, the other bad thing about that was that I couldn't give him a bad rating 
because the same 30-day period (or something like it) applied to giving 
feedback.

Re: Debian

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

courtneyxshort wrote:
> I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves me
> downloading Debian on my Mac.

In normal times i would advise you to seek contact to local Linux users
at your university or school.

Nomenclature:
I guess you are supposed to "install" a Debian GNU/Linux operating
system. "Downloading" an installation disk-or-filesystem image is one of
the early steps of installing.

The general procedure is:

- Get a machine where the existing operating system shall be overwritten.
  In your case i would propose to create a virtual machine on your Mac,
  if this is acceptable to your teachers.
  (There is the possibility to add an operating system as neighbor of
   the existing ones. But such coexistence as boot alternatives can be
   tricky.)

- Identify the Debian architecture which would match your machine.
  This is mainly about the CPU type. Most popular is "amd64" for 64 bit
  x86 CPUs, which should match a Mac that is not too old (PowerPC) or
  too young (M1).
  So if you use a virtual machine, let it emulate 64 bit x86.

- Download the matching installation medium. Given that you use a Mac
  i propose you offer it an ISO with all non-free firmware that you can
  get from Debian:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-11.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
  (With a virtual machine it might be feasible to use purely free

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
  )

- Offer the downloaded .iso image file to your virtual machine either as
  virtual CD-ROM or as virtual hard disk.
  If you install on a real machine, burn the .iso onto a DVD
https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-mac
  or copy it flatly onto a USB stick
https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb

- When the machine starts up, check for the offer to boot from that
  virtual or real medium. (I have no experience with the firmware of
  Macs. You will have to find out yourself.)

- When you have managed to start the Debian installer system from the
  medium, it will offer you the option to install Debian on the virtual
  or real hard disk of the machine.

If you get that far and have questions, then ask here for more info.
If you get stuck at some step, provide more info about your Mac and
ask here. (I guess MacOS can list you the hardware components of your
machine somehow.)


If you ask again, better subscribe to the list at
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
Some answers to your mail will only go to the list and not to your
mail address directly. (I conclude that you are not subscribed from
the "X-Spam-Status:" header, which the list server added to your mail
before sending it out to all subscribers.)

Alternatively you may watch the follow-ups of your message
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00799.html
and their follow-ups, or look for the thread "Debian courtneyxshort" at
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/thrd2.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian

[lou]

On 10/19/21 8:13 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
No, that's fully believable. It's a fairly specialized knowledge 
set,which a Computer Science student may not possess.

What's more worrying is the vagueness of the help request.  You'd think
such a student would provide at least a modicum of detail, like which
model computer they're using, which version of Debian they tried to
download (and install??) and what the error message said.



i think he/she is CS student pursuing Master degree

deian/linux is mature product, documentation/howto abounds on Internet

Re: Debian

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 08:10:02AM -0400, lou wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:
> > > > I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
> > > > me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I
> > > > have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
> > > > information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
> > > > Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.
> > > > Courtney
> > > 
> > 
> 
> Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian on 
> Mac??
> it's quite unbelievable.

No, that's fully believable.  It's a fairly specialized knowledge set,
which a Computer Science student may not possess.

What's more worrying is the vagueness of the help request.  You'd think
such a student would provide at least a modicum of detail, like which
model computer they're using, which version of Debian they tried to
download (and install??) and what the error message said.

Re: Debian

[Dan Ritter]

courtneyxshort wrote: 
> 
> I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves me
> downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I have
> been unsuccessful.  I've watched Youtube videos/ read the information on
> your website and I am still unable to do this.
> 
> Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.


Debian is an operating system, not an application. It wants to
run your computer the same way that MacOS does.

Assuming that you want to keep running MacOS day-to-day, your
best bet is to install Debian in a virtual machine.

You can use the netinst image to install Debian into a VM:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso

or you can get a live VM image from

https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/bullseye/20211011-792/

and run under any of the following virtualization systems:

Parallels
VirtualBox
VMWare
and the free QEMU:
https://wiki.qemu.org/Hosts/Mac

In either case, you should read through

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/

Note that if you have a very recent Mac -- one with an M1 CPU --
support is going to be more limited.

It might be to your advantage to just pay ($5-$10/month) for a VM in the cloud;
talk to your instructors.

It is also likely that your university has resources to offer
here.


-dsr-

Re: Debian

[lou]

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:

I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.
Courtney






Computer Science Masters student don't know how to download (use) debian on 
Mac??
it's quite unbelievable.

Re: Debian

[Jerome BENOIT]

On 19/10/2021 13:50, courtneyxshort wrote:

So there is no possible way to support Debian?


Currently there is no easy way to install Debian (or any Linux based 
distribution) on recent Macs.
People are working on porting the Linux kernel on them, but it is not a one-day 
job.
As noticed on the Debian-User list, you must be more specific on what you 
really want to do:
technical terms are here important.
Best, Jerome






-- Original Message --
From: "Jerome BENOIT" 
To: "courtneyxshort" ; 
debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, 19 Oct, 21 At 12:45
Subject: Re: Debian

Hi Courtney,
latest Mac are not well, if not at all, supported by Linux.
You may try to install Debian on a PC (or an old supported mac) instead.
hth,
Jerome

On 19/10/2021 13:11, courtneyxshort wrote:
Hello,


I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves me 
downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I have been 
unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the information on your website 
and I am still unable to do this.


Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.


Courtney

Re: Debian

[piorunz]

On 19/10/2021 12:58, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:46:41PM +0100, piorunz wrote:

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:


I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.
Courtney



Hi Courtney.

You have been unsuccessful in what? Downloading Debian? Can you
elaborate what exactly went wrong? We will be happy to assist once we
know what have failed.


I'm guessing she meant "installing" Debian, but who knows.

If she's actually going to attempt an installation, it would be helpful
to know which model Mac she's using.


Yes, who knows. I won't write essays and jump to conclusions. One who
seeks help must know what they need help with, first.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄

Re: Debian

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hi Courtney,
latest Mac are not well, if not at all, supported by Linux.
You may try to install Debian on a PC (or an old supported mac) instead.
hth,
Jerome

On 19/10/2021 13:11, courtneyxshort wrote:

Hello,


I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves me 
downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I have been 
unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the information on your website 
and I am still unable to do this.


Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.


Courtney

Pb lancement firefox depuis Thunderbird

[Billard François-Marie]

Bonjour

je suis sous Debian 11 avec installés : Firefox 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1 et 
à coté dans le répertoire /opt/firefox la version 93.0 (64 bits).


Cette dernière version est dans un répertoire dont les groupe et 
propriétaire sont "root"


Quand je tente d'ouvrir un lien contenu dans un mail depuis thunderbird 
je peux choisir avec quelle application et si je choisi la version 93.0 
rien ne se passe. Un essai en lançant thunderbid depuis un terminal ne 
donne pas plus d'informations.


Même en réglant les droits de /opt/firefox à 777 je n'obtiens rien de plus.

Je poste ici car je me demande si ce n'est pas un histoire de droit ou 
un truc du genre.


Merci par avance pour votre aide

François-Marie

Re: Debian

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:46:41PM +0100, piorunz wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:
> 
> > I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
> > me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I
> > have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
> > information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
> > Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.
> > Courtney
> 
> 
> Hi Courtney.
> 
> You have been unsuccessful in what? Downloading Debian? Can you
> elaborate what exactly went wrong? We will be happy to assist once we
> know what have failed.

I'm guessing she meant "installing" Debian, but who knows.

If she's actually going to attempt an installation, it would be helpful
to know which model Mac she's using.

Re: Debian

[piorunz]

On 19/10/2021 12:11, courtneyxshort wrote:


I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I
have been unsuccessful. I've watched Youtube videos/ read the
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.
Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.
Courtney



Hi Courtney.

You have been unsuccessful in what? Downloading Debian? Can you
elaborate what exactly went wrong? We will be happy to assist once we
know what have failed.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄

Debian

[courtneyxshort]

Hello,

I am a Computer Science Masters student and part of my degree involves 
me downloading Debian on my Mac. I have tried this countless times and I 
have been unsuccessful.  I've watched Youtube videos/ read the 
information on your website and I am still unable to do this.


Is this something you could please help me with? I would be so grateful.

Courtney

Re: Cannot install vlc on bullseye

[Dan Ritter]

R. Ramesh wrote: 
> Thanks for everyone's help. I systematically went through every package and
> moved them to debian version if apt allowed me to do so. At the end I only
> have acroread from dmo and everything else is from debian. I removed mythtv
> also to get to this point. Since this is my desktop, I do not need to
> install mythtv and will keep it as close to debian as possible.
> 
> I do not have the same freedom for three other (debian based) machines I
> have (2 frontend and one backend) and it is going to be a bit of struggle to
> get it right. However, fixing my desktop helped me to understand
> dependencies better.  So... hopefully, I will find the right combo of
> packages to keep it close enough to debian.

dpkg-query -W 'dmo1*'

should, I think, show you all the packages installed from
deb-multimedia.org sources.

On my mythtv machine, this produces 228 packages -- some of
which are supporting vlc or other media-related software.

-dsr-

Re: Recommended KVM box: HDMI (video), USB (mouse+kb+periferal), 4-port

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 20:29  wrote:
…

> I am using a Belkin SOHO 4-Port KVM Switch Box F1DS104J, bought used off
> ebay
>
in January, 2020 for under $20.


Thanks! I forget about ebay—I only used it once many years ago. And the
Belkin products I’ve used in the past have worked fine.

-Tom

Re: Cannot install vlc on bullseye

[didier gaumet]

Le lundi 18 octobre 2021 à 20:43 -0500, R. Ramesh a écrit 
[...]
> I only have acroread from dmo and everything else is from debian. I 
> removed mythtv also to get to this point.
[...]
> I do not have the same freedom for three other (debian based)
> machines 
[...]

Hello,

- Acroread from deb-multimedia is version 9.0 from 2008 with last
security fixes from 2013.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Acrobat_version_history
 I would suggest trying linux compatible alternatives to read
(https://packages.debian.org/stable/virtual/pdf-viewer) or modify pdf
documents. If these alternatives still are not satifying in your
usecase, I would then suggest trying the last free-of-charge Acroread
(DC) with Wine, which seems to work well with Wine:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=847
(Acroread 9.0 was free-of-charge and allowed its users to create/modify
pdf documents while it seems present free-of-charge Adobe solutions
only allow viewing pdf documents)

- I do not know it it can be of interest to you (I do not use Mythtv or
Kodi), but while Mythtv is not packaged in Debian, a Kodi Mythtv plugin
is:
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/kodi-pvr-mythtv
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/kodi
Aleternatively, the Mythtv has a tutorial to install Mtyhtv on Debian:
https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Debian

Re: Debian's branches and release model

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 18 oct 21, 12:29:55, Peter Hoist wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am enjoying Debian's testing branch as a reasonably stable and up-to-date
> 'rolling' release, and I have to say it satisfies all my desires, almost.
> The one thing that bothers me is that every two years, the unstable/testing
> branches are frozen to certain extent because of the stable releases. This
> means the testing branch can be quite lagged behind upstream releases. One
> example is gcc, with gcc-11 released almost 6 months ago, and it is still
> not default in debian testing - I know it is being worked on right now and
> probably only a couple days away, but still...
> 
> So the question is, why not cut a release branch every two years, and at
> the same time keep the unstable/testing alive? Is it because debian
> developers think it's too much work to reconcile the differences later, so
> they prefer freezing?
> 
> Some ppl recommend arch for this reason, but I am already familiar with
> apt's way of things, and would hold off switching before I have a better
> understanding of the bigger picture.
> 
> I am certainly not qualified to make recommendations here, just wondering
> what is the reason behind it and if there is some proposal to make testing
> a better/closer 'rolling' release that ppl like me can enjoy better:)

https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Cannot install vlc on bullseye

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 18 oct 21, 20:43:45, R. Ramesh wrote:
> > The best expert opinion is fairly well summed up on the Debian wiki at
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian  
> >   . The advice given above is 
> > fairly
> > blunt and matter of fact because the users and developers on this list have
> > seen this sort of thing lots of times before.
> > 
> > > Regards
> > > Ramesh
> > >
> > 
> > With every good wish, as ever,
> > 
> > Andy Cater
> > 
> 
> Thanks for everyone's help. I systematically went through every package and
> moved them to debian version if apt allowed me to do so. At the end I only
> have acroread from dmo and everything else is from debian. I removed mythtv
> also to get to this point. Since this is my desktop, I do not need to
> install mythtv and will keep it as close to debian as possible.
 
For such a system pinning dmo to 100 would probably work better. 
Installing acroread will just work (because it doesn't exist in Debian), 
other packages might need some massaging though.

Updates will also work, because 100 is the priority of installed 
packages and APT will upgrade to the higher version when it becomes 
available.

> I do not have the same freedom for three other (debian based) machines I
> have (2 frontend and one backend) and it is going to be a bit of struggle to
> get it right. However, fixing my desktop helped me to understand
> dependencies better.  So... hopefully, I will find the right combo of
> packages to keep it close enough to debian.

The strategy above might work also for complex packages / dependencies. 
Unfortunately the -t switch for `apt` and friends won't work because dmo 
is not a different 'release'.

If a package exists in both dmo and Debian you would have to install its 
dependencies one by one forcing the dmo version, before installing the 
actual package. Upgrades of the same set of packages should work[1], 
upgrades adding new packages might need to be dealt with manually.

[1] unless APT will prefer a higher priority package from Debian, 
instead of upgrading to a higher version from dmo.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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