Re: Starting Debian

[tomas]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 02:10:03AM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > I  have heard good things said about XXX (XXX),
> > from several YouTubers.
> 
> This seems like a paid advertisement, or am I misunderstanding
> something?

Dunno whether it's paid, but (1) it has nothing to do with the
original post (which would be rude, to say the least) and (2)
the touted "product" is one of a commercial entity.

So yes, at least a strange post.

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: Intel X540-AT2 and Debian: intermittent connection

[David Christensen]

On 11/18/22 06:35, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:25 AM hw  wrote:


I have an X540-AT2 network card in my backup server and it worked when I was
running Fedora on the server.

I installed Debian on it and wanted to make backups with rsync, but the
connection via this network card is now intermittent where it used to be stable
with Fedora.


Fedora uses the latest version of a package that's available at the
release date. Maybe Fedora was using a newer driver than Debian?

It looks like there's several updated Linux drivers at
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/60020/intel-ethernet-controller-x540at2/downloads.html
. Maybe you can try one of the newer drivers on the Debian machine?



Thank you for the link.  A newer device driver could very well be the 
answer to the OP's intermittent connection problems.



This Intel web page has a link to download the latest driver source code 
tarball:


https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/14302/intel-network-adapter-driver-for-pcie-intel-10-gigabit-ethernet-network-connections-under-linux.html


"Detailed Description
Overview
This is the most current release of the ixgbe driver for Linux, 
which supports kernel versions 2.6.18 up through 5.18. ...

...
This download is valid for the product(s) listed below.
...
Intel® Ethernet Controller X540-AT2
..."


(There is a similar link for FreeBSD; which may be another option for 
the OP.)



Searching Debian packages for ixgbe, I see packages for "Data Plane 
Development Kit (librte-pmd-ixgbe runtime library)", but not device 
drivers (?).  Similarly so for Debian backports.



The Linux kernel 5.10 includes the ixgbe driver, but I am unable to 
determine a version number:


https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/networking/device_drivers/ethernet/intel/ixgbe.html

"Linux Base Driver for the Intel(R) Ethernet 10 Gigabit PCI Express 
Adapters

...
Identifying Your Adapter
The driver is compatible with devices based on the following:
...
Intel(R) Ethernet Controller X540
..."


This web page has a HOWTO for updating the Linux ixgbe driver using 
Intel source code:


https://www.xmodulo.com/download-install-ixgbe-driver-ubuntu-debian.html


David

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 19:16, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 18:29:24 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:

X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean

X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0



--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64





--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64



PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u

dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG


AFAICT the MUA is displaying the message correctly if it's been asked
to display the text version rather than the HTML, which is how mine
is set.


same here.


If you remove these three lines:


--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


your MUA should display the HTML instead.


But there is no html content. Just the double spaced mime-boundary's. 
I've removed the extra junk, but now tbird is insisting on a zip file to 
import, so how do I import this saved, edited file back into tbird as if 
it was incoming mail?


Cheers,
David.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:




On 18 Nov 2022, at 23:29, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:

On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:
On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:


I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.

What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.

bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.


Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

.

This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.

Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
Thunderbird is strict in that regard.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
Return-Path: 

Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;

Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800

Received: from [115.124.28.121] (port=37128 helo=out28-121.mail.aliyun.com)

by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-018.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384

(Exim 4.94.2)

(envelope-from )

id 1ovrT7-000c7v-2g

for ghesk...@shentel.net; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:51:05 +

X-Alimail-AntiSpam:AC=PASS;BC=-1|-1;BR=01201311R211e2;CH=green;DM=||false|;DS=||;FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1;HT=ay29a033018047194;MF=c...@omc-stepperonline.com;NM=1;PH=DS;RN=1;RT=1;SR=0;TI=SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861;

Received: from iZuf677iw3xihpZ(mailfrom:c...@omc-stepperonline.com 
fp:SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861)

  by smtp.aliyun-inc.com;

  Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800 (CST)

From: c...@omc-stepperonline.com

To: gene heskett 

Message-ID: <288312227.165.1668739861266@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>

Subject: Re:Re: STEPPERONLINE - Enquiry from ghesk...@shentel.net

MIME-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264"

X-mailer: javamail@rebee

X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown

X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown

x-ctasd: uncategorized

x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized

X-CTCH-Flags: 0

X-CTCH-RefID: 
str=0001.0A742F21.6376F319.001D:SCFSTAT68748618,ss=1,re=-4.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0

X-CTASD-IP: 115.124.28.121

X-CTASD-Sender: c...@omc-stepperonline.com

X-OpenTrafficX: clean

X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean

X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0



--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64





--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64



PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u

dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 



Are the blank lines between the headers verbatim from the source?

iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
boundaries/blocks begin, so that may be part of the problem.  Do the headers of 
other base64 messages look like this?

Thanks
Gareth


You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a 
geany session on the saved message, so all that double line spacing was 
part of the incoming message. So their copy of javamail, whatever the 
heck that is, is sending bogus emails. That double spaced mime-boundary 
is sick bird. I had forgotten that. Thank you for reminding me.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 18:44, Porter Smith wrote:

You could try doing a sudo apt --fix-broken install. I know that this trick 
works for me then again I am using a fully patched  installation of Debian 11 
Bullseye.

So do I. The only thing that did was have me do an autoremove of an old 
python3-distro-info file.



This being said I also have both the application spacifoc repositories for 
Googlechrome and Oracle Virtual Box.


I don't have those, the less google, the better IMO.


Thanks.
Chip


[...]

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Seamonkey

[Richard Jones]

Thanks for this, also for other replies.

On 19/11/22 01:06, Richmond wrote:

David Wright wrote:

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 19:37:24 (+0800), Richard Jones wrote:

There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I
mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?

I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but
want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security,
whatever

https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey
may help.

Cheers,
David.


That looks out of date to me. You can download an official build. And it
updates itself.

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#official

Although I put it into /usr/local/seamonkey and protect it from
self-updating using permissions.

Re: Intel X540-AT2 and Debian: intermittent connection

[Porter Smith]

Userslly it is considered best practice to use nics from a known comparable 
vendor for example Intel dual port nics can be found on sites like Amazon or 
neerhg for a reasonable amount of $.

On November 18, 2022 8:02:43 PM EST, David Christensen 
 wrote:
>On 11/18/22 05:23, hw wrote:
>> On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 16:42 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 11/15/22 07:15, hw wrote:
 On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 12:38 +0100, hw wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 13:21 +0100, hw wrote:
>
> Any ideas?  Backups over an 1GB link are excruciatingly slow ...
> 
 
 Update: I booted a Fedora live system and the connection is also
 intermittent.
 So it's not a Debian issue.  It's still an issue, though ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What is the cable type?  Length?  Factory or home made?
>> 
>> I got a new cable today which is rated as cat 8.1.  It's only 1.5 meters 
>> long.
>> I have tried 3 different cables now, two of them about 1.5 and another 10 
>> meters
>> long.  Before I got the new cable, I tried the other port on the nic, and it
>> made no difference.
>> 
>> Even with the new cable, the connection is intermittent :(
>
>
>Different category cables have different characteristic impedance, and the 
>NIC's are designed for specific cables.  The EE buzzword is "transmission 
>line".  You want to use the cables that Intel designed for -- Category 6A or 
>Category 6, 100 meters or 55 meters maximum (respectively):
>
>https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/07404/ethernet-products.html
>
>
>I do not see a specification for minimum length; either on Intel or STFW.  
>Back in the day of 10BASE-*, I seem to recall hearing, reading, and/or 
>learning 2 meters minimum.
>
>
>So, I suggest trying a Category 6A factory patch cable at least 2 meters long.
>
>
>>> What is connected to the other end of the cable?  If it is a NIC in
>>> another server, what happens if you swap the two NIC's?
>> 
>> It's connected to a Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM57810 in another server.  The 
>> other
>> server has an identical mainboard and CPU in it, and the other port on the
>> Broadcom is connected to a client with the same card, and that connection 
>> works
>> fine.  So I'm assuming that the Broadcom card is ok.
>
>
>What OS's for the various machines?
>
>
>Do you compile your own kernels and/or NIC drivers?
>
>
>> I'm about to move the client into a new case in a couple days and then I 
>> might
>> swap the Broadcom from the client into the backup server.
>
>
>If you have another Broadcom NIC, what happens if you swap it with the Intel 
>NIC in the backup server?
>
>
>> Maybe I can reseat the heat sink on the card with new thermal paste.
>> Overheating might explain why the connection is intermittent.
>
>
>Do you have any diagnostic information that indicates the Intel NIC is 
>overheating?
>
>
>David
>

Re: Starting Debian

[debian-user]

> I  have heard good things said about Private Internet Access (PIA),
> from several YouTubers.

This seems like a paid advertisement, or am I misunderstanding
something?

> Thanks, 
> Chip
> 
> On November 17, 2022 2:12:20 PM EST, Larry Rodgers
>  wrote:
> >Dear Debian.org  Personnel:
> > I’ve unsuccessfully tried to use Ubuntu on my Linux-based
> > computer for quite some time.  The problems seem to be
> > related to security issues and hacking.  I’ve made progress,
> > but I notice that the only commands that work well are the
> > commands that are entered through the Terminal. I am
> > interested in purchasing Debian if I could find a good
> > eraser, good security through a VPN, and information on
> > using Debian.
> > Respectfully submitted,
> >  Larry Rodgers  

Re: Intel X540-AT2 and Debian: intermittent connection

[David Christensen]

On 11/18/22 05:23, hw wrote:

On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 16:42 -0800, David Christensen wrote:

On 11/15/22 07:15, hw wrote:

On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 12:38 +0100, hw wrote:

On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 13:21 +0100, hw wrote:



Any ideas?  Backups over an 1GB link are excruciatingly slow ...



Update: I booted a Fedora live system and the connection is also
intermittent.
So it's not a Debian issue.  It's still an issue, though ...



What is the cable type?  Length?  Factory or home made?


I got a new cable today which is rated as cat 8.1.  It's only 1.5 meters long.
I have tried 3 different cables now, two of them about 1.5 and another 10 meters
long.  Before I got the new cable, I tried the other port on the nic, and it
made no difference.

Even with the new cable, the connection is intermittent :(



Different category cables have different characteristic impedance, and 
the NIC's are designed for specific cables.  The EE buzzword is 
"transmission line".  You want to use the cables that Intel designed for 
-- Category 6A or Category 6, 100 meters or 55 meters maximum 
(respectively):


https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/07404/ethernet-products.html


I do not see a specification for minimum length; either on Intel or 
STFW.  Back in the day of 10BASE-*, I seem to recall hearing, reading, 
and/or learning 2 meters minimum.



So, I suggest trying a Category 6A factory patch cable at least 2 meters 
long.




What is connected to the other end of the cable?  If it is a NIC in
another server, what happens if you swap the two NIC's?


It's connected to a Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM57810 in another server.  The other
server has an identical mainboard and CPU in it, and the other port on the
Broadcom is connected to a client with the same card, and that connection works
fine.  So I'm assuming that the Broadcom card is ok.



What OS's for the various machines?


Do you compile your own kernels and/or NIC drivers?



I'm about to move the client into a new case in a couple days and then I might
swap the Broadcom from the client into the backup server.



If you have another Broadcom NIC, what happens if you swap it with the 
Intel NIC in the backup server?




Maybe I can reseat the heat sink on the card with new thermal paste.
Overheating might explain why the connection is intermittent.



Do you have any diagnostic information that indicates the Intel NIC is 
overheating?



David

Re: tbird broken

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 18:29:24 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u
> 
> dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG

AFAICT the MUA is displaying the message correctly if it's been asked
to display the text version rather than the HTML, which is how mine
is set.

If you remove these three lines:

> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

your MUA should display the HTML instead.

Cheers,
David.

Re: tbird broken

[Michael Stone]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 06:14:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
Since when does a total lack of html content, disable MIME handling?? 
That seems like a whopper of a bug to me since MIME was around and 
working quite well in the later '80's.


MIME was standardized in 1992 and wasn't particularly well supported 
until the late 90s.

Re: tbird broken

[Gareth Evans]

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 23:29, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:
>>> On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.
> 
> What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
> the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
> 
> bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.
 
 Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?
 
 .
>>> This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are
>>> reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
>>> appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.
>> Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
>> Thunderbird is strict in that regard.
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> 
> here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
> Return-Path: 
> 
> Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
> mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;
> 
>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800
> 
> Received: from [115.124.28.121] (port=37128 helo=out28-121.mail.aliyun.com)
> 
>by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-018.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
> TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
> 
>(Exim 4.94.2)
> 
>(envelope-from )
> 
>id 1ovrT7-000c7v-2g
> 
>for ghesk...@shentel.net; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:51:05 +
> 
> X-Alimail-AntiSpam:AC=PASS;BC=-1|-1;BR=01201311R211e2;CH=green;DM=||false|;DS=||;FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1;HT=ay29a033018047194;MF=c...@omc-stepperonline.com;NM=1;PH=DS;RN=1;RT=1;SR=0;TI=SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861;
> 
> Received: from iZuf677iw3xihpZ(mailfrom:c...@omc-stepperonline.com 
> fp:SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861)
> 
>  by smtp.aliyun-inc.com;
> 
>  Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800
> 
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800 (CST)
> 
> From: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
> 
> To: gene heskett 
> 
> Message-ID: <288312227.165.1668739861266@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>
> 
> Subject: Re:Re: STEPPERONLINE - Enquiry from ghesk...@shentel.net
> 
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 
>boundary="=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264"
> 
> X-mailer: javamail@rebee
> 
> X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown
> 
> X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown
> 
> x-ctasd: uncategorized
> 
> x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized
> 
> X-CTCH-Flags: 0
> 
> X-CTCH-RefID: 
> str=0001.0A742F21.6376F319.001D:SCFSTAT68748618,ss=1,re=-4.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0
> 
> X-CTASD-IP: 115.124.28.121
> 
> X-CTASD-Sender: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX: clean
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u
> 
> dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG
>> .
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Are the blank lines between the headers verbatim from the source?

iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
boundaries/blocks begin, so that may be part of the problem.  Do the headers of 
other base64 messages look like this?

Thanks
Gareth

Re: tbird broken

[Porter Smith]

You could try doing a sudo apt --fix-broken install. I know that this trick 
works for me then again I am using a fully patched  installation of Debian 11 
Bullseye.  

This being said I also have both the application spacifoc repositories for 
Googlechrome and Oracle Virtual Box.

Thanks. 
Chip

On November 18, 2022 5:55:08 PM EST, gene heskett  wrote:
>On 11/18/22 13:06, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:03 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird,
>>> as shipped for bullseye, use?
>>> 
>>> Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended
>>> dependencies.
>> 
>> Below is from Ubuntu (not Debian), but I believe it works with Denian, too.
>> 
>
>No mention of anything base64 related, in your output, or mine. But mine is 
>considerably older than yours. I get:
>Version: 1:91.13.0-1~deb11u1
>
>> $ apt-cache show thunderbird
>> Package: thunderbird
>> Architecture: amd64
>> Version: 1:102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
>> Priority: optional
>> Section: mail
>> Origin: Ubuntu
>> Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
>> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
>> Installed-Size: 234663
>> Provides: mail-reader
>> Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>=
>> 2.30), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0),
>> libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1
>> (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3),
>> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0
>> (>= 3.13.7), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
>> libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
>> libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
>> 1:0.4.5), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
>> libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.4.0), libxrender1, libxtst6
>> Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
>> libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
>> Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx, libotr5
>> Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
>> Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.2), jsunit (<< 0.2.2-2ubuntu1),
>> thunderbird-gnome-support (<= 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3), tinyjsd (<<
>> 1.2+git1-1ubuntu1)
>> Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
>> 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
>> Filename: 
>> pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1_amd64.deb
>> Size: 57647748
>> MD5sum: 36fce2a754957d44ff9463f43091f457
>> SHA1: f252d1668816cd6d82d48e8e89b6180ad62c375d
>> SHA256: 27980be5e8756f4a781688031e261bea2c99a2a11b28e7a0747cd0ded2ba7570
>> SHA512: 
>> 23f71e605377fd5af88022a2b2bee2fba41ce0fe41c13009afd8b3037a0f7c953f9eb548ef6027f5b137837e1e41b46cf699556e8aeb93d753e94297a98a
>> Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
>>   Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup client that makes
>>   emailing safer, faster and easier than ever before. It supports different 
>> mail
>>   accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has a simple mail account setup wizard, one-
>>   click address book, tabbed interface, an integrated learning spam filter,
>>   advanced search and indexing capabilities, and offers easy organization
>>   of mails with tagging and virtual folders. It also features unrivalled
>>   extensibility.
>> Description-md5: 68ed1001b79d708ad48956a0c129114d
>> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full,
>> xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop
>> 
>> Package: thunderbird
>> Architecture: amd64
>> Version: 1:68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2
>> Priority: optional
>> Section: mail
>> Origin: Ubuntu
>> Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
>> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
>> Installed-Size: 174096
>> Provides: mail-reader
>> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.30), libcairo-gobject2
>> (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14),
>> libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
>> (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0),
>> libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.4), libharfbuzz0b (>=
>> 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
>> libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.14.0),
>> libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
>> libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
>> 1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
>> libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrender1, libxt6
>> Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
>> libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
>> Suggests: thu

Re: Starting Debian

[Porter Smith]

I  have heard good things said about Private Internet Access (PIA), from 
several YouTubers.

Thanks, 
Chip

On November 17, 2022 2:12:20 PM EST, Larry Rodgers  
wrote:
>Dear Debian.org  Personnel:
>   I’ve unsuccessfully tried to use Ubuntu on my Linux-based computer for 
> quite some time.  The problems seem to be related to security issues and 
> hacking.  I’ve made progress, but I notice that the only commands that work 
> well are the commands that are entered through the Terminal.
>   I am interested in purchasing Debian if I could find a good eraser, 
> good security through a VPN, and information on using Debian.
> Respectfully submitted,
>Larry Rodgers

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:

On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:


I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.

What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.

bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.


Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

.

This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
Thunderbird is strict in that regard.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.




here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
Return-Path: 

Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;


Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800

Received: from [115.124.28.121] (port=37128 helo=out28-121.mail.aliyun.com)

	by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-018.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384


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Message-ID: <288312227.165.1668739861266@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>

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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 14:05, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:

On 11/18/22 12:09, gene heskett wrote:
... But this is imap email, and no errors are reported, it simply does 
not decode and display base64'd content that appears to be properly 
MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Thunderbird has Error console. Open it with Ctrl+Shift+J or
Tools > Dev. Tools > Error Console. There might be some error info there.

And that leads to the conclusion tha there is not aDOCTYPE because there 
 is no html just the mime boundary triggers.


Since when does a total lack of html content, disable MIME handling?? 
That seems like a whopper of a bug to me since MIME was around and 
working quite well in the later '80's.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 13:06, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:03 PM gene heskett  wrote:

...
Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird,
as shipped for bullseye, use?

Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended
dependencies.


Below is from Ubuntu (not Debian), but I believe it works with Denian, too.



No mention of anything base64 related, in your output, or mine. But mine 
is considerably older than yours. I get:

Version: 1:91.13.0-1~deb11u1


$ apt-cache show thunderbird
Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 234663
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>=
2.30), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0),
libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1
(>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3),
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0
(>= 3.13.7), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.4.5), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.4.0), libxrender1, libxtst6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx, libotr5
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.2), jsunit (<< 0.2.2-2ubuntu1),
thunderbird-gnome-support (<= 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3), tinyjsd (<<
1.2+git1-1ubuntu1)
Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Filename: 
pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1_amd64.deb
Size: 57647748
MD5sum: 36fce2a754957d44ff9463f43091f457
SHA1: f252d1668816cd6d82d48e8e89b6180ad62c375d
SHA256: 27980be5e8756f4a781688031e261bea2c99a2a11b28e7a0747cd0ded2ba7570
SHA512: 
23f71e605377fd5af88022a2b2bee2fba41ce0fe41c13009afd8b3037a0f7c953f9eb548ef6027f5b137837e1e41b46cf699556e8aeb93d753e94297a98a
Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
  Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup client that makes
  emailing safer, faster and easier than ever before. It supports different mail
  accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has a simple mail account setup wizard, one-
  click address book, tabbed interface, an integrated learning spam filter,
  advanced search and indexing capabilities, and offers easy organization
  of mails with tagging and virtual folders. It also features unrivalled
  extensibility.
Description-md5: 68ed1001b79d708ad48956a0c129114d
Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full,
xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop

Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 174096
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.30), libcairo-gobject2
(>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14),
libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
(>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0),
libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.4), libharfbuzz0b (>=
0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.14.0),
libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrender1, libxt6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: thunderbird-couchdb, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Filename: pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
Size: 42635092
MD5sum: 6c12e8622f1bfedc293b6a3f0bfdbb4d
SHA1: b32efdcab208a497786a50a27914283708c607a7
SHA256: ffaf21ddab679b367d0975f24a4fcbfc32a27e6f5b1cce0679748645d3537992
Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
  Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup clien

Re: tbird broken

[Curt]

On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:
> On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
>>> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.
>>>
>>> What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
>>> the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
>>>
>>> bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.
>> 
>> Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?
>> 
>> .
> This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are 
> reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that 
> appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.

Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
Thunderbird is strict in that regard.

> Cheers, Gene Heskett.


- 

Re: tbird broken

[Anssi Saari]

gene heskett  writes:

> Mail only, no newsgroup involved. It simply ignores a base64, several
> times from a business that would like to sell me some stepper motors I 
> need. Is there a library its missing? Or something equally accidental?

I don't think there's a separate base64 library for Thunderbird and if
there was, it'd be a dependency of Thunderbird.

Some messages on this debian-user mailing list are base64, with a quick
search there's one from David Wright on your "general squawk about
unattended-upgrade" thread from Yesterday (Nov 17th). Do you have
trouble displaying those?

Re: tbird broken

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 12:03:03 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 11/18/22 03:00, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> > gene heskett  writes:
> > 
> > > I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> > > whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded
> > > content.
> > 
> > In NNTP or mail?
> > If nntp, you probably hit by
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
> > and
> > user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
> > might help
> > 
> Mail only, no newsgroup involved. It simply ignores a base64, several
> times from a business that would like to sell me some stepper motors I
> need. Is there a library its missing? Or something equally accidental?
> 
> Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does
> tbird, as shipped for bullseye, use?
> 
> Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of
> recommended dependencies.

The (Debian) Recommends just look like spelling dictionaries.
I see that mutt depends on media-types and mailcap, but TB
seems to handle things differently.

Anyway, workaround: save the email as a text file and run
uudeview on it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: tbird broken

[Sarunas Burdulis]

On 11/18/22 12:09, gene heskett wrote:
... But this is imap email, and no errors are 
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that 
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Thunderbird has Error console. Open it with Ctrl+Shift+J or
Tools > Dev. Tools > Error Console. There might be some error info there.

--
Sarunas Burdulis
Dartmouth Mathematics
math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas

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[Luna Jernberg]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Russ Allbery 
Date: Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Put a package back
To: Luna Jernberg 
Cc: 


Luna Jernberg  writes:

> Our system is relying on an older version of this package
> libnet-ssleay-perl.

> Its left us in a bad position with clients as we are blocked from
> releasing a hotfix. Can this package get put back temporarily?

> https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libn/libnet-ssleay-perl/libnet-ssleay-perl_1.85-2+b1_amd64.deb

You can download older versions of any Debian package from
snapshot.debian.org.  See, for example:

https://snapshot.debian.org/binary/libnet-ssleay-perl/

You can then manually install that package with dpkg -i or the equivalent,
and then pin it with apt-mark hold libnet-ssleay-perl until you're ready
to upgrade it.

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Put a package back

[Mark Killeen]

Hello,
Our system is relying on an older version of this package libnet-ssleay-perl.
Its left us in a bad position with clients as we are blocked from releasing a 
hotfix. Can this package get put back temporarily?
https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libn/libnet-ssleay-perl/libnet-ssleay-perl_1.85-2+b1_amd64.deb

Thanks,
Mark


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Re: tbird broken

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:03 PM gene heskett  wrote:
> ...
> Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird,
> as shipped for bullseye, use?
>
> Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended
> dependencies.

Below is from Ubuntu (not Debian), but I believe it works with Denian, too.

$ apt-cache show thunderbird
Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 234663
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>=
2.30), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0),
libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1
(>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3),
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0
(>= 3.13.7), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.4.5), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.4.0), libxrender1, libxtst6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx, libotr5
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.2), jsunit (<< 0.2.2-2ubuntu1),
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Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
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Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
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 click address book, ta

Re: Seamonkey

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 17:06:30 (+), Richmond wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 19:37:24 (+0800), Richard Jones wrote:
> >> There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I
> >> mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?
> >>
> >> I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but
> >> want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security,
> >> whatever
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey
> > may help.
> >
> That looks out of date to me. You can download an official build. And it
> updates itself.
> 
> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#official
> 
> Although I put it into /usr/local/seamonkey and protect it from
> self-updating using permissions.

With two posts from more experienced users of Seamonkey, perhaps
someone reading this will update the wiki.

(I've only heard of Seamonkey through rowlett's posts here, and only
posted because no one had mentioned the wiki during three hours.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:


I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.

What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.

bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.


Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

.
This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are 
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that 
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Seamonkey

[Richmond]

David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 19:37:24 (+0800), Richard Jones wrote:
>> There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I
>> mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?
>>
>> I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but
>> want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security,
>> whatever
> https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey
> may help.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
That looks out of date to me. You can download an official build. And it
updates itself.

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#official

Although I put it into /usr/local/seamonkey and protect it from
self-updating using permissions.

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 03:00, Kamil Jońca wrote:

gene heskett  writes:


Greetings all;

I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded
content.


In NNTP or mail?
If nntp, you probably hit by
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
and
user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
might help
KJ


Mail only, no newsgroup involved. It simply ignores a base64, several 
times from a business that would like to sell me some stepper motors I 
need. Is there a library its missing? Or something equally accidental?


Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird, 
as shipped for bullseye, use?


Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended 
dependencies.


Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Seamonkey

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 19:37:24 (+0800), Richard Jones wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I
> mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?
> 
> I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but
> want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security,
> whatever

https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey
may help.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Seamonkey

[Felix Miata]

Richard Jones composed on 2022-11-18 19:37 (UTC+0800):

> There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I 
> mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?

> I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but 
> want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security, 
> whatever

It's been my primary browser for the entirety of its existence, as was the 
Mozilla
Suite before it, since the alphas & betas before its original 1.0 release 20 
years
ago. I get it from here:

-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

Re: Intel X540-AT2 and Debian: intermittent connection

[hw]

On Fri, 2022-11-18 at 09:35 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:25 AM hw  wrote:
> > 
> > I have an X540-AT2 network card in my backup server and it worked when I was
> > running Fedora on the server.
> > 
> > I installed Debian on it and wanted to make backups with rsync, but the
> > connection via this network card is now intermittent where it used to be
> > stable
> > with Fedora.
> 
> Fedora uses the latest version of a package that's available at the
> release date. Maybe Fedora was using a newer driver than Debian?

Then it should have worked when I booted a Fedora live from an USB stick ...

> It looks like there's several updated Linux drivers at
> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/60020/intel-ethernet-controller-x540at2/downloads.html
> . Maybe you can try one of the newer drivers on the Debian machine?

Yep, thanks, I tried that and it didn't make a difference.

I've never had a broken network card and I think it's strange that the
connection is intermittent.  If it was broken, would it have a connection at
all?  I guess my best chance is reseating the heatsink.

Re: Intel X540-AT2 and Debian: intermittent connection

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:25 AM hw  wrote:
>
> I have an X540-AT2 network card in my backup server and it worked when I was
> running Fedora on the server.
>
> I installed Debian on it and wanted to make backups with rsync, but the
> connection via this network card is now intermittent where it used to be 
> stable
> with Fedora.

Fedora uses the latest version of a package that's available at the
release date. Maybe Fedora was using a newer driver than Debian?

It looks like there's several updated Linux drivers at
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/60020/intel-ethernet-controller-x540at2/downloads.html
. Maybe you can try one of the newer drivers on the Debian machine?

Jeff

parallel installation of yelp and khelpcenter curiosity

[Dieter Faulbaum]

I use KDE and Gnome (or GKT) based programs (under cinnamon).

If I install both 'yelp' and 'khelpcenter' (under sid) and call 
the "Help" (or F1),
always the khelpcenter is used both for Gnome or GTK programs and 
for KDE programs.


That's not nice, because the kdehelpcenter shows "Documentation 
not Found" for

Gnome or GTK programs.
But if I remove the kdehelpcenter, I can't read any documentation 
for KDE-programs.


Can anyone encourage me a solution for this (little) problem?

Re: blacklist mei_me?

[hw]

On Wed, 2022-11-16 at 13:23 +, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-11-15, hw  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > this module causes delays when booting and I'm finding this in dmesg:
> > 
> > 
> > [   14.889003] mei_me :00:16.0: hw_reset failed ret = -62
> 
> Aren't you 'hw' yourself? Or is that a mere coincidence I would've done
> well to ignore? (Or is the machine trying to tell you something more
> personal? That would be frightening.)
> 

At least it hasn't resetted me yet ... well, maybe I wouldn't know about it.  A
reset is kinda severe.

Re: Intel X540-AT2 and Debian: intermittent connection

[hw]

On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 16:42 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/15/22 07:15, hw wrote:
> > On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 12:38 +0100, hw wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 13:21 +0100, hw wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 12:28 +0100, stefano gozzi wrote:
> > > > > Please loot at this:
> > > > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/intel-x540-t2-network-card-installed-but-only-at-100mbit-cant-change-or-improve-4175686736/
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems that you need a 8x pcie slot to work fine
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, the card is in an 8x slot and has been working fine with
> > > > Fedora.  I
> > > > didn't change anything but using Debian instead of Fedora.
> > > 
> > > Ok I pulled the server from the rack and put another fan to blow directly
> > > on
> > > the
> > > card in case it might overheat.
> > > 
> > > And I have to correct myself.  The card is in an 8x slot and according to
> > > the
> > > manual of the mainboard it's supposed to be 8x and not 4x.  I pulled it
> > > and
> > > put
> > > it back in.
> > > 
> > > However, lspci says "LnkSta: Speed 5GT/s (ok), Width x4 (downgraded)".
> > > 
> > > Usually cards in PCI slots with 4 instead of 8 lanes still work fine, and
> > > the
> > > card did work in that slot with Fedora.
> > > 
> > > I found that I had to unplug the network cable and to plug it back in
> > > before I
> > > could send/receive pings.  I already tried a different network cable and
> > > it
> > > didn't make a difference.
> > > 
> > > I suspect that Debian might be doing something differently or not doing
> > > that
> > > Fedora does which causes the intermittent connections.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?  Backups over an 1GB link are excruciatingly slow ...
> > > 
> > 
> > Update: I booted a Fedora live system and the connection is also
> > intermittent.
> > So it's not a Debian issue.  It's still an issue, though ...
> 
> 
> What is the cable type?  Length?  Factory or home made?

I got a new cable today which is rated as cat 8.1.  It's only 1.5 meters long. 
I have tried 3 different cables now, two of them about 1.5 and another 10 meters
long.  Before I got the new cable, I tried the other port on the nic, and it
made no difference.

Even with the new cable, the connection is intermittent :(

> What is connected to the other end of the cable?  If it is a NIC in 
> another server, what happens if you swap the two NIC's?

It's connected to a Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM57810 in another server.  The other
server has an identical mainboard and CPU in it, and the other port on the
Broadcom is connected to a client with the same card, and that connection works
fine.  So I'm assuming that the Broadcom card is ok.

I'm about to move the client into a new case in a couple days and then I might
swap the Broadcom from the client into the backup server.

Maybe I can reseat the heat sink on the card with new thermal paste. 
Overheating might explain why the connection is intermittent.

Re: tbird broken

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>
> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.
>
> What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
> the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
>
> bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.

Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

With bookworm's kernel, QEMU-KVM EFI cannot see virtio partitions

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto]

Windows-10-Jorge.xml
Description: XML document
Hi!  After I upgraded to bookworm, my QEMU-KVM VM fails to boot the
guest OS; instead it drops to the EFI shell.  If I boot the physical
host into bullseye's kernel (Linux 5.10) then the VM boots normally.

This VM has two virtual disks, each backed by a physical partition---one
partition in my NVMe SSD and the other on my HDD.  The interface for
both virtual disks is virtio.  I have attached the XML.

Is this a known problem?  Is there a workaround, other than booting the
physical host into an older kernel?  Should I report this as a bug?

Regards

-- 
- Many people hate injustice but few check the facts; this causes more
  injustice.  Ask me about 
- I am Brazilian.  I hope my English is correct and I welcome feedback.
- https://www.defectivebydesign.org
- https://www.gnu.org

Re: Seamonkey

[Luna Jernberg]

Nope you are correct

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 1:06 PM Richard Jones  wrote:
>
> There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I
> mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?
>
> I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but
> want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security,
> whatever
>
> Richard
>

Seamonkey

[Richard Jones]

There doesn't seem to be a seamonkey package for Debian stable. Am I 
mistaken? or is there a reason for it to not be supported?


I'm presuming I can download and install from the seamonkey site but 
want to check whether that is a bad idea--compatibility, security, 
whatever


Richard

Re: tbird broken

[Kamil Jońca]

gene heskett  writes:

> Greetings all;
>
> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded
> content.

In NNTP or mail?
If nntp, you probably hit by
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
and
user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
might help
KJ


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