Re: Learning resources and material-wise, which distro has an easier learning curve - Debian or Arch?

[Susmita/Rajib]

From: Byung-Hee HWANG 
Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 15:00:00 +0900
Message-id: <[🔎] 87r0rbzgnz.fsf@penguin>
[   ...   ]
Go with Gnome Desktop. Gnome is easy and friendly.

Also i am using Gnome Desktop under Debian 11 Bullseye.
[   ...   ]

Thank you, Mr. Hwang, for responding to my query. I had tried Gnome
Desktop earlier. I don't like the Wayland Interface. I like the
StartMenu/Programs system of LXDE or any other DE that uses this kind
of menu driven interface that allows a bird's eye view of all
programs. I think I would stick to OpenBox.

My query was different: whether I would shift out of Debian to Arch?
Perhaps you missed out my core message. May be my email could be read
once more please, Mr. Hwang.

Best wishes

Re: CUPS on Bullseye and Bookworm

[john doe]

On 5/17/23 21:56, Charles Curley wrote:

On Wed, 17 May 2023 19:21:23 +0200
john doe  wrote:


A few things, that I spotted while reading this thread and Im' not
sure if you got everything working!


Thank you. No, I don't have everything working.



- MDNS is using .local
- .localdomain should be moved to .home.arpa (see RFC)! :)


.home.arpa ? I had never heard of it until you mentioned it. You are
suggesting that I change every reference to localdomain to .home.arpa?
Implementing that change is going to be a major pain in the arse.


My idea was that .local and .localdomain could be an issue for the
autodetection of the printer.
That was simply a suggestion if you were not getting anywhere.

Granted, I should have phrased that in a better way (sorry about that).

I also want to point out that you have a domain name, I would use that
instead of .home.arpa!

Brian has done abetter job in trying to help you out than what I could
have done!

--
John Doe

Re: Learning resources and material-wise, which distro has an easier learning curve - Debian or Arch?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Dear Rajib,

"Susmita/Rajib"  writes:

> My dear illustrious leaders and senior list members of debian-user ML,
>
> I hope I will have a clear reply on the matter by the end of the
> inputs received for this query.
>
> For example, in Debian https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE has almost
> nothing. Whereas Arch has at least a better wiki documentation on
> LXDE. Also, as described in the earlier post:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00792.html, the native
> wiki website of LXDE is non-existent.
>
> ArchLinux LXDE is not Debian LXDE. The corresponding packages
> available in any one of the two isn't compatible with the other
> (.tar.bz2 vs .deb). Debian installation via synaptic (or apt) is very
> organised and simple for me.
>
> So this query also: is .deb packages a better alternative than
> .tar.bz2? What are the pros and cons if the two are compared?

.tar.bz2 is not easy to install.

> I tried to add a menu item to the right click, drop down menu in LXDE,
> but failed to find any information on this.
>
> I moved away from LXDE as a result and have begun using OpenBox.
>
> So my question becomes all the more pertinent.

Go with Gnome Desktop. Gnome is easy and friendly.

Also i am using Gnome Desktop under Debian 11 Bullseye.


Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Learning resources and material-wise, which distro has an easier learning curve - Debian or Arch?

[Susmita/Rajib]

My dear illustrious leaders and senior list members of debian-user ML,

I hope I will have a clear reply on the matter by the end of the
inputs received for this query.

For example, in Debian https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE has almost
nothing. Whereas Arch has at least a better wiki documentation on
LXDE. Also, as described in the earlier post:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00792.html, the native
wiki website of LXDE is non-existent.

ArchLinux LXDE is not Debian LXDE. The corresponding packages
available in any one of the two isn't compatible with the other
(.tar.bz2 vs .deb). Debian installation via synaptic (or apt) is very
organised and simple for me.

So this query also: is .deb packages a better alternative than
.tar.bz2? What are the pros and cons if the two are compared?

I tried to add a menu item to the right click, drop down menu in LXDE,
but failed to find any information on this.

I moved away from LXDE as a result and have begun using OpenBox.

So my question becomes all the more pertinent.

Best wishes,
Rajib B
Etc.

laptop stopped getting to desktop after latest updates

[Gary Dale]

I'm running Debian/Bookworm on an ASUS FA506IC laptop. It's got an AMD 
Ryzen processor but an NVidia graphics card that provides me with great 
evidence for why I had previously avoided NVidia cards. I'm running 
Bookworm because I couldn't get it work on Bullseye.


It'd been running OK with the proprietary drivers (but not the Nouveau) 
until earlier today. I don't use it very often so it was probably a few 
weeks since I last updated it. I had trouble the previous time I'd 
updated it too, but that was the move to the non-free-firmware section 
that messed it up. Once I added the new section to the sources, things 
worked again.


The symptoms I'm getting are the same as what it used to display when I 
tried to use sddm to start the desktop. Gdm3 and lightdm both worked in 
the past but now I'm getting the same symptom with all of them - a blank 
screen with a cursor flashing in the top-left corner. At that point I 
can't even bring up a text console, but I can reboot (ctrl-alt-del still 
works).


I can boot to a recovery mode and start the network, but not sure how to 
track this down. Removing and reinstalling the NVidia driver didn't 
help. Trying to start the desktop without the NVidia driver (and 
firmware) installed also didn't work. I still get the system booting to 
a blank screen with a flashing cursor in the top let corner.


Any ideas?

Thanks.

Re: How to use OpenBox WM from Debian LXDE installation without LXDE?

[Susmita/Rajib]

From: Pierre Tomon 
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 23:08:09 +0200
Message-id: <[🔎] 4qnkf54bcpz...@smtp-3-.mail.infomaniak.ch>
In-reply-to: <[🔎]
CAEG4cZWKF3bkkc97c0b3C7b6OM6Le=DLtRQbrRh+Or6R=cd...@mail.gmail.com>

[   ...   ]
Not sure I understood your question correctly.
You can select Openbox when you see your display manager.
https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox#Running_Openbox
[   ...   ]

Thank you, Mr. Tomon, for responding to my thread.

Actually, I thought that I would need support to learn using openbox,
but eventually figured the matter out by intuitive exploration and a
little reading.

It is an immense good coincidence that I didn't read the Debian link
https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox#Running_Openbox. I would then
definitely have not even used openbox.

For a first time learner, the material isn't apt. The material should
quickly remove the impediments to have a feel of the GUI environment
by a quick immersion first. Do this and that, have a first feel and
then proceed to learn the finer aspects more and more over time.

Logging on to an OpenBox session from LXDE set up isn't discussed in
the beginning, whereas OpenBox is installed from Live DVD ISOs by
default.

When there wasn't a GUI environment, we were compelled to remain stuck
in CUI. Not now.

Us humans are tuned to learn visually, aurally, tactile, olfaction,
gustatorily the most. Reading, more abstract, comes much later.

I have learnt the first steps. So this thread could be closed.

Best wishes,
Rajib

Re: Bookworm CUPS Printing Revisited

[Charles Curley]

On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:10:21 -0600
Charles Curley  wrote:

> Thanks to Brian  on the thread "Re: CUPS on
> Bullseye and Bookworm" I now have CUPS working on dragon, my bookworm
> i386 architecture laptop.

Dragon being an i386 arch machine, I booted ideapc (AMD 64) to the
Bookworm RC1 XFCE live CD.
(https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/bookworm_di_rc1-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/)
I installed nothing. I ran several tests on that.

Using the automagical instant printer: nothing worked, not even using
"lp -d ".

Using the IP address queue, Netscape, Libreoffice and "lp -d" all
worked. At one point the system even told me the printer was out of
paper.

-- 
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https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: How to use OpenBox WM from Debian LXDE installation without LXDE?

[Pierre Tomon]

Le Fri, 19 May 2023 22:51:56 +0530,
"Susmita/Rajib"  a écrit :

> Have since installed tint2 to have a taskbar. Presently using OpenBox
> without much trouble.
> Thank you and best,
> Rajib
> Etc.
> 

Not sure I understood your question correctly.
You can select Openbox when you see your display manager.
https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox#Running_Openbox

Re: how to create bootable usb stick from iso file

[hlyg]

On 5/19/23 19:03, Joe wrote:


I don't think so. I've just downloaded it here

https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/releases/tag/v1.0.91

without being asked for any information. The author *asks* for
contributions, like many do, but there's no compulsion.

Really? i visit link you list, no automatically popup download dialog,  
i can't find download link on this web page,



or it is blocked here??

Re: Bookworm CUPS Printing Revisited

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 16:07:56 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Thu 18 May 2023 at 14:26:13 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> 
>  [...]  
> 
> [...]
> 
>  [...]  
>  [...]  
> 
> The PDF queue is not part of the printing system.

|snarky comment omitted.|

> 
> > Firefox also allows printing from the system printer dialog. When I
> > selected that, it showed the same three queues. The two printer
> > queues had error messages.
> > 
> > For HP_Laserjet_MFP_m234sdw_C0FB67, "No destination host name
> > supplied by cups-browserd for printer "HP_Las..."  
> 
> cups-browserd uses mDNS to get the destination host name. OK, it can
> come off the rails at times, but ideapc is happy enough with it.
> 
> I'll again mention that neiher cups-browserd nor a manual queue is
> required for printing; I gave a test of this in another post.
> CUPS should form a temporary queue.

I ran "apt purge cups-browsed", then:

root@dragon:~# lpstat -l -e
HP_LaserJet_MFP_M234sdw_C0FB67 network none 
ipps://HP%20LaserJet%20MFP%20M234sdw%20(C0FB67)._ipps._tcp.local/
M234ip permanent ipp://localhost/printers/M234ip ipp://192.168.100.134/ipp/print
root@dragon:~# lpadmin -x M234ip
root@dragon:~# lpadmin -x HP_LaserJet_MFP_M234sdw_C0FB67
root@dragon:~# lpstat -l -e
HP_LaserJet_MFP_M234sdw_C0FB67 network none 
ipps://HP%20LaserJet%20MFP%20M234sdw%20(C0FB67)._ipps._tcp.local/
root@dragon:~# lp /usr/share/cups/data/form_english.pdf
lp: Error - No default destination.
root@dragon:~# lp -d HP_LaserJet_MFP_M234sdw_C0FB67 
/usr/share/cups/data/form_english.pdf
request id is HP_LaserJet_MFP_M234sdw_C0FB67-24 (1 file(s))
root@dragon:~# 

And nothing happened on the printer.

I then opened a PDF document in evince, opened the print dialog, and
selected that printer. I got a short-lived message, "rejecting jobs". I
turned the printer off. The printer went away in the print dialog. I
turned it back on. The printer re-appeared, along with the same
short-lived "rejecting jobs" message.

I went to Netscape. That printed.

I begin to think the problem is with GTK's printer dialog.

> 
> > For HP_Laserjet_MFP_m234sdw_C0FB67@hpbm234ethernet.local, I got an
> > error message, which disappeared before I could write it down. There
> > is now no error message. I tried printing to that, and this time the
> > printer came up, showed its "busy" indicator, and did nothing.  
> 
> This is often an indication that the dialog is unable to query the
> printer. It shouldn't happen on bookworm.
>   
> > > An alternative URI for M234 is
> > > 
> > >   ipp://192.168.100.134/ipp/print
> > > 
> > > and the previous lpadmin command could be run with this. It's OK
> > > as long as the IP does not change and it also cuts out the moving
> > > part of DNS-SD resolution.  
> > 
> > That worked:
> > 
> > root@dragon:~# lpadmin -p M234ip -v
> > "ipp://192.168.100.134/ipp/print" -E -m everywhere root@dragon:~#
> > lp -d M234ip /usr/share/cups/data/form_english.pdf request id is
> > M234ip-20 (1 file(s)) root@dragon:~# 
> > 
> > It also showed up in Firefox's system printer dialog. I printed to
> > it. Nothing. I then printed from Firefox's internal printer
> > dialog. That worked.  
> 
> The difference between M234 and M234ip is that the latter does not
> need to use resolving to get the IP of the ptinter. The queue should
> work in Abiword too.

I re-installed the M234ip queue. It did not work from abiword.

> 
> > > The problem with the GTK dialog is that it never handled its
> > > relationship with CUUPS correctly before bullseye (APIs and all
> > > that). However, it *always* got along with manually set up queues,
> > > which M234 is.
> > >   
> > 
> > That isn't what I see here.  
> 
> Maybe not, but it is still the case that it was GTK's handling of
> printer discovery that was the issue.
> 
> > John Doe seems to think MDNS doesn't like my network
> > setup. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00767.html  
> 
> I queried hpm234ethernet.localdomain but you seemed happy with it, so
> I let it go.
> 

You asked where it came from, and I replied my DHCP and DNS servers. Is
there a problem with it?

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: How to use OpenBox WM from Debian LXDE installation without LXDE?

[Susmita/Rajib]

Have since installed tint2 to have a taskbar. Presently using OpenBox
without much trouble.
Thank you and best,
Rajib
Etc.

Re: video issue following latest bullseye update

[Felix Miata]

D. R. Evans composed on 2023-05-18 14:17 (UTC-0600):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Try using the (default) modesetting DIX display driver instead of Nouveau. 
>> Remove
>> package

>>  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

>> and reboot to see if it makes a difference.

> I did this, and when I rebooted I was in the Linux console instead of Light 
> DM 
> (which is my display manager). Hitting ctrl-alt-F7 to go to the X screen did 
> not show me the LDM login screen, or any other X screen, but instead another 
> non-graphical screen.

How much time did you allow the login screen to show up? I've lately seen on
various hardware of various ages a need to restart the DM after booting because 
it
fails to come up before something times out. When it happens, either from
Ctrl-Alt-F[2-6] login or remote login, running

systemctl restart 

will bring it up like it normally should have.

> I reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from the console, and (fortunately) 
> when I rebooted LDM came up as usual and I was able to log in as I normally 
> do. Obviously, the original issue still exists, but at least I got a 
> graphical 
> display back.

If by that you mean back to 640x480 or 800x600 instead of your display's native
resolution, please provide input/output from inxi -SGaz, and a fresh Xorg.0.log,
in the current condition. Please also provide Xorg.0.log from attempting to use
modesetting (having removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau; or [1]) instead of 
nouveau
display driver.

[1] Instead of driver removal/reinstallation, create file, or add following
content to existing file:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-device.conf

Section "Device"
  Identifier "DDX"
Driver "modesetting"
#   Driver "nouveau"
EndSection

By simply moving the # to the other driver line, you can easily switch between
using the two display drivers by restarting your DM or rebooting.

My GF108 simply works, with the modesetting DIX, and two displays:
# inxi -GSaz --vs --zl --hostname
inxi 3.3.27-00 (2023-05-07)
System:
  Host: gb970 Kernel: 5.10.0-23-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 10.2.1 parameters: root=LABEL= ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0
plymouth.enable=0 noresume consoleblank=0 mitigations=none preempt=full
  Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.0 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau
v: kernel non-free: series: 390.xx+ status: legacy-active (EOL~late 2022)
arch: Fermi code: GF1xx process: 40/28nm built: 2010-16 pcie: gen: 1
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1
bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0f00 class-ID: 0300 temp: 42.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x254mm (30.00x10.00")
s-diag: 803mm (31.62")
  Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213 serial: 
built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2
size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM
serial:  built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2
size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
  API: OpenGL v: 4.3 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: NVC1 direct-render: Yes
#
-- 
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based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

Re: PANIC Debian 11 LXDE After update no booting is possible

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/19/23, Cindy Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 5/19/23, Schwibinger Michael  wrote:
>> Good afternoon
>>
>> I did the update and
>> when doing new start:
>> Crash
>
< snipped for relevance >
>
>
> And they're perping it in a different way. Adobe had gone straight
> down the line and changed everything directly under "/" to a third
> party username. No root, no 1001 for that one back then.


After thinking about it again, I take that back. I THINK Adobe
affected only the directories it touched, not all "/" directories,
which would partially match how whatever changed mine didn't change
all the child directories.

It still doesn't explain how e.g. /root became "root 1001" instead of
"root root" permissions. My impression as someone who reported this
years ago is that someone has figured out how to take the damage to a
new level.

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: PANIC Debian 11 LXDE After update no booting is possible

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/19/23, Schwibinger Michael  wrote:
> Good afternoon
>
> I did the update and
> when doing new start:
> Crash


Hi, Sophie.. While you're waiting for others to respond, am typing to
say I just went through this a couple days ago. Our situations are all
so different so this is a recap of what happened for me.

In *my* case, something unknown changed a BUNCH of (but not all) top
level root directory permissions. I found out by accident while trying
to mitigate the first errors I encountered.

At some point, systemd was referenced and was freaking out that it had
lost permissions. That's when I ran "ls -ld /*" and received e.g.:

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root  7 Feb 11 14:26 /bin -> usr/bin
drwxr-xr-x   4 1001 1001  4096 May 17 05:47 /boot
drwxr-xr-x  11 root  root  36864 Feb 12 14:17 /dev
drwxr-xr-x 125 1001 1001 12288 May 16 22:12 /etc
drwxr-xr-x   5 1001 1001  4096 Apr 14 02:39 /home
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root  7 Feb 11 14:26 /lib -> usr/lib
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root  9 Feb 11 14:26 /lib32 -> usr/lib32
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root  9 Feb 11 14:26 /lib64 -> usr/lib64
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root  root 10 Feb 11 14:26 /libx32 -> usr/libx32
drwx--   2 1001 1001 16384 Feb  9 20:57 /lost+found
drwxr-xr-x   4 1001 1001  4096 Apr 21 20:52 /media
drwxr-xr-x  10 1001 1001  4096 May 16 16:27 /mnt
drwxr-xr-x   3 1001 1001  4096 Feb 26 16:44 /opt
drwxr-xr-x   2 root  root   4096 Oct  3  2022 /proc
drwx--   8 root  1001  4096 May 16 22:19 /root

1001 is the username I was on when the incident occurred. That /root
change is odd because it only changed one of them. Even odder is how
whatever did this made only partial permission changes instead of
altering all child directories under the top level parent "/"
directory.

First sign something was wrong was that I suddenly couldn't log onto
the Internet. Prior to that, everything else worked as expected.

Then I rebooted and landed at an "sh" prompt. A second or third reboot
landed at that dreaded kernel panic screen that only shuts down for me
by punching the hardware ON/OFF button.

I had also done an update/upgrade a few hours before. Newest program
added was Einstein after a different Debian-User thread reminded me it
exists.

In case it helps narrow down a culprit, the last four apt-get actions
I performed between 2023.05.15 and 2023.05.16 are:


 START SNIPPETS FROM /var/log/apt/history.log 

Upgrade: libgsl27:amd64 (2.7.1+dfsg-3+b1, 2.7.1+dfsg-4),
libgslcblas0:amd64 (2.7.1+dfsg-3+b1, 2.7.1+dfsg-4)

Install: libsdl-mixer1.2:amd64 (1.2.12-17+b3, automatic),
libsdl-ttf2.0-0:amd64 (2.0.11-6, automatic), einstein:amd64
(2.0.dfsg.2-10+b1), libmikmod3:amd64 (3.3.11.1-7, automatic)

Upgrade: libcap2-bin:amd64 (1:2.66-3, 1:2.66-4), grub-pc-bin:amd64
(2.06-12, 2.06-13), libcap2:amd64 (1:2.66-3, 1:2.66-4),
grub-efi-amd64-bin:amd64 (2.06-12, 2.06-13), grub2-common:amd64
(2.06-12, 2.06-13), grub-common:amd64 (2.06-12, 2.06-13),
grub-pc:amd64 (2.06-12, 2.06-13)

Upgrade: google-chrome-stable:amd64 (113.0.5672.92-1,
113.0.5672.126-1), libtbbbind-2-5:amd64 (2021.8.0-1, 2021.8.0-2),
libtbbmalloc2:amd64 (2021.8.0-1, 2021.8.0-2), libtbb12:amd64
(2021.8.0-1, 2021.8.0-2)

 END SNIPPETS FROM /var/log/apt/history.log 

The affected partition is still here, but I didn't have time for
fighting with it. I debootstrap'ed onto another partition, installed a
ton of favorite programs (not Einstein), ran "ls -ld /*" on the new
partition, and all has been well...

So far.

PS I reported this exact kind of thing to Debian Security a number of
years ago. I was "blown off", shown the cyber door. The PRIVATE email
I sent them had explained the situation two different ways to help
expedite their receiving end's grasp of the repeatedly reproducible
direness of what happened.

In last year or so, someone else got credit for reporting a part of
the same thing I reported years ago. I don't remember what was left
out, but whatever it was, someone else has possibly figured it out...
so that it's not just Adobe perping it this time.

And they're perping it in a different way. Adobe had gone straight
down the line and changed everything directly under "/" to a third
party username. No root, no 1001 for that one back then.

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Bookworm CUPS Printing Revisited

[Brian]

On Thu 18 May 2023 at 14:26:13 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Thu, 18 May 2023 15:09:00 +0100
> Brian  wrote:

[...]

> > I haven't any idea why M234 does not work from the dialog. It might be
> > an issue with the GTK version. Personally, I would prefer that Firefox
> > was uused to confirm or not.
> 
> I installed xfce and firefox, and ran firefox on the computer (rather
> than over ssh to another computer). Firefox showed three queues: PDF,
> and two printer queues. The PDF one worked. The other two failed
> silently. The printer never woke up for either.

The PDF queue is not part of the printing system.

> Firefox also allows printing from the system printer dialog. When I
> selected that, it showed the same three queues. The two printer queues
> had error messages.
> 
> For HP_Laserjet_MFP_m234sdw_C0FB67, "No destination host name supplied
> by cups-browserd for printer "HP_Las..."

cups-browserd uses mDNS to get the destination host name. OK, it can
come off the rails at times, but ideapc is happy enough with it.

I'll again mention that neiher cups-browserd nor a manual queue is
required for printing; I gave a test of this in another post.
CUPS should form a temporary queue.

> For HP_Laserjet_MFP_m234sdw_C0FB67@hpbm234ethernet.local, I got an
> error message, which disappeared before I could write it down. There
> is now no error message. I tried printing to that, and this time the
> printer came up, showed its "busy" indicator, and did nothing.

This is often an indication that the dialog is unable to query the
printer. It shouldn't happen on bookworm.
  
> > An alternative URI for M234 is
> > 
> >   ipp://192.168.100.134/ipp/print
> > 
> > and the previous lpadmin command could be run with this. It's OK as
> > long as the IP does not change and it also cuts out the moving part
> > of DNS-SD resolution.
> 
> That worked:
> 
> root@dragon:~# lpadmin -p M234ip -v "ipp://192.168.100.134/ipp/print"
> -E -m everywhere root@dragon:~# lp -d M234ip
> /usr/share/cups/data/form_english.pdf request id is M234ip-20 (1
> file(s)) root@dragon:~# 
> 
> It also showed up in Firefox's system printer dialog. I printed to
> it. Nothing. I then printed from Firefox's internal printer
> dialog. That worked.

The difference between M234 and M234ip is that the latter does not
need to use resolving to get the IP of the ptinter. The queue should
work in Abiword too.

> > The problem with the GTK dialog is that it never handled its
> > relationship with CUUPS correctly before bullseye (APIs and all
> > that). However, it *always* got along with manually set up queues,
> > which M234 is.
> > 
> 
> That isn't what I see here.

Maybe not, but it is still the case that it was GTK's handling of
printer discovery that was the issue.

> John Doe seems to think MDNS doesn't like my network
> setup. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00767.html

I queried hpm234ethernet.localdomain but you seemed happy with it, so
I let it go.

-- 
Brian.

PANIC Debian 11 LXDE After update no booting is possible

[Schwibinger Michael]

Good afternoon

I did the update and
when doing new start:
Crash
Regards
Sophie



Von: CL 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2023 08:34
An: Schwibinger Michael ; Andrew M.A. Cater 
; debian-user@lists.debian.org 

Betreff: Re: NEW problem PANIC AW: SOLUTION AW: EPSON ...

Hello,

first I have to apologies for being a little bit rude within the next
sentences.

BUT STOP this stupid conversation.

It is quite clear that this is one of following things

1. Stupid freaking AI
2. Psycho test
3. Troll

So

@Sophie or Michal Schwibinger or what ever your name is
please stop this

It is far away from being funny or helpful

It is boring, stupid and annoying

One reason of this community is to help each other. But what you make is
questioning our all intelligence and also competences. And this freaks
me out a little bit.

Again please stop this

Thank you in advance




--
mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards

**Christian Lorenz**

mailto:cl.debian.mail...@t-online.de
--

Am 18.05.23 um 09:48 schrieb Schwibinger Michael:
> Good morning
> Thank You.
>
> Sorry for bad asking.
>
> I wanted to say:
> Shall I delete in my mailbox the unanswered EPSON emails?
> I think YES.
>
> The new problem.
> Debian 11 LXDE is not booting.
>
> ,,panic,,
>
> What did I do ?
> I did the update to Debian 11.
>
> How to repair?
> What did I do wrong?
>
> Regards Sophie
>
> 
> *Von:* Andrew M.A. Cater 
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2023 19:47
> *An:* debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> *Betreff:* Re: SOLUTION AW: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read
> this, you are using the wrong driver
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 06:27:55PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
>> Good evening
>>
>> This did work.
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>>
> Hi Sophie,
>
> I'm really very pleased that it all worked for you eventually.
>
> There were some false starts and some misunderstandings but the main
> thing is that IT WORKS :)
>
> We don't normally delete emails from the mailing lists - they are there
> to explain how things happened and how solutions were found.
>
> These emails also led to people explaining various facts about
> how to use the mailing list - maybe these will help other people.
>
> Herzlichen Gluckwuenshen
>
> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards Sope
>>
>> I ll send 2nd email with topoic   Delete Printer Emails.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Von: Jeremy Ardley 
>> Gesendet: Montag, 8. Mai 2023 00:47
>> An: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
>> Betreff: Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are 
>> using the wrong driver
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/23 08:12, Will Mengarini wrote:
>> > * Brian  [23-05/08=Mo 00:27 +0100]:
>> >>
>> >> https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753
>  \
>> >> cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
>> > That includes a literal space in the middle of that hash
>> > (because the space before the backslash is taken literally).
>> >
>> > However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":
>>
>> The driver is already included in the standard debian distribution
>>
>> sudo apt-get install printer-driver-escpr
>>
>> Then the usual cups administration to attach driver to printer using lpadmin 
>> or  http://localhost:631 
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy
>> (Lists)
>>
>

Re: How to use OpenBox WM from Debian LXDE installation without LXDE?

[Susmita/Rajib]

Dear leaders and senior members of OpenBox mailing list,

Please ignore the earlier post. I figured out how to log on to openbox
session. I will now try to implement the portion:
"...
To have a taskbar on screen, install and use a panel program like
gnome-panel, pypanel, perlpanel or fbpanel.
..."

Panel. If possible, LXDE panel.

Advice on this would help.

Best wishes,
Rajib B

How to use OpenBox WM from Debian LXDE installation without LXDE?

[Susmita/Rajib]

Dear leaders and senior members of OpenBox mailing list,

I used Debian GNU/Linux Live 11.6.0 lxde 2022-12-17T11:46]/ bullseye
ISO to install Debian. I also use Knoppix 8.6.1.

With this Debian iso LXDE is installed.

My questions are: could xsession be run without a DE, in my case,
LXDE? Without my installing any other DE?

Can the xsession be run without a DE? If it can be, how? Is OpenBox
such an implementation of WM?

I read the webpage
http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started#Using_Openbox_without_a_desktop_environment_.28The_lightweight_approach.29

I quote from the said webpage:
"...
 a third "Openbox" option ... Session Type menu when logging in
graphically, ... This option will run a more lightweight Openbox
session without any desktop environment or session manager.
..."

and

"...
Most likely if you are not using a graphical log in, then you are
using startx to begin an X session. In that case you need to run
Openbox from your ~/.xinitrc file. Rather than just running openbox
however, you should choose from one of the three programs listed
below:

openbox-session
..."

So how could I configure my Debian installed system so that I could
use  openbox without LXDE DM? How to configure autostart and other set
up?

There are some comments which indicate that I would need to install
init packages. Which init packages should I install? Will the
initscripts package be required?

I have checked the list of Debian ISOs. All are with DE.

Your competent advice would be welcome.

Best wishes,
Rajib B
Etc.

Re: how to create bootable usb stick from iso file

[Joe]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:22:36 +0800
hlyg  wrote:

> On 5/18/23 19:33, Bret Busby wrote:
> > You might want to read
> > https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/friday_foss_fest/
> >
> >  
> Thank Bret Busby! downloading ventoy requires subscription, it's very 
> bad it publish message digest without message
>

I don't think so. I've just downloaded it here

https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/releases/tag/v1.0.91

without being asked for any information. The author *asks* for
contributions, like many do, but there's no compulsion.

-- 
Joe

RE: bind9 and dns forward

[Bonno Bloksma]

Hi,

Been a few busy week, that is why I only respond now, sory.
Also as there is a lot of sensitive info in this mail, like a complete lost 
to domain controllers to be hacked, ;-) I am sending it direct. I will send a 
redacted version to the list

>> What does +cd do? I was unable to find it in the man page.
> it disable dnssec checks, was just in case of real dnssec problem

Aha, ok clear.

> can you give full /etc/resolv.conf
> from your result you should have 127.0.0.1 in it but just to be sure


beheerdertio@linbobo:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf 
domain bobo.xs4all.nl
search bobo.xs4all.nl
search tio.nl
search staf.tio.nl
search student.tio.nl
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver 8.8.8.8


When booting if the internal bind is not up and running yet some services might 
need a resolver so I have 8.8.8.8 in there as well as a second dns entry.

> and also :
> dig tio.nl NS
> dig @172.16.208.10 tio.nl NS


linbobo:~# dig tio.nl NS

; <<>> DiG 9.16.37-Debian <<>> tio.nl NS ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 34517 ;; flags: qr rd ra; 
QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
; COOKIE: bfc026467d702f7d01006467377dffdb068b3e9c0a69 (good) ;; QUESTION 
SECTION:
;tio.nl.IN  NS

;; Query time: 32 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Fri May 19 10:46:53 CEST 2023
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 63

linbobo:~# dig @172.16.208.10 tio.nl NS

; <<>> DiG 9.16.37-Debian <<>> @172.16.208.10 tio.nl NS ; (1 server found) ;; 
global options: +cmd ;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13283 ;; flags: qr aa rd 
ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 18, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 19

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4000
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;tio.nl.IN  NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
tio.nl. 3600IN  NS  hgltiodc-04.tio.nl.
[]
tio.nl. 3600IN  NS  amsstuddc-04.student.tio.nl.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
hgltiodc-04.tio.nl. 3600IN  A   172.16.128.40
[...]
amsstuddc-04.student.tio.nl. 1200 INA   172.16.196.11

;; Query time: 20 msec
;; SERVER: 172.16.208.10#53(172.16.208.10) ;; WHEN: Fri May 19 10:48:07 CEST 
2023 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 816



Bonno Bloksma

RE: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye

[Bonno Bloksma]

Hi David,

Skipping to quote most of the mail you wrote, I read it a few more times. :-)
[]

> In the listing above, you have removed versions 7 through 16, and then purged 
> 7, as quoted above. The remaining 8 through 16 contain no modules, and the 
> evidence is shown in your listing
> above: there can be no kernel/ directory in any of them.
>
> Debian has put in place some protections for kernels to try to prevent users 
> from making the system unbootable. What Debian isn't going to do is change 
> entirely the APT policy just to suit your reluctance to purge kernels rather 
> than just remove them; viz:

Clear.

> remove: removes the files in the package, but not configuration (or other) 
> files that it or you might have installed.
> 
> purge: removes both the files in the package and the configuration files, 
> including those in the package and those generated at installation time. 
> (In addition, it makes enquiries when files designated as configuration files 
> are detected as having been changed from what was supplied in the package.)

Weird I have never noticed this. I have been using Linux for over 20 years and 
Debian since Etch. I have never noticed or read that I need to purge a kernel 
as well.
Well, that just shows that even after all those years I can learn something new 
about Debian, something at the basic level of simple package management. ;-)

Thanks for the explanations, I hope I am not the only user that learned 
something and that you were able to educate a few more users as well.

Bonno Bloksma