Re: Debian:12.4/stable [amd64] ...

2024-01-27 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 1/27/24, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
> I am consistently *puzzled* by what you are trying to do: I think that
> that is just effectively recording the repository that the package comes
> from. What does your /etc/sources.list consist of - and if it references
> bookworm, in what way does 12.4 surprise you? (Hint: That will change
> in about two weeks to 12.5 ...)

 Thank you! I didn't know what it meant.

> Your approach to all of this is best described as idiosyncratic - if
> you really don't trust Debian and apt and the way we do things

 Debian and apt and the way things are done within this OS cultural
ecosystem are fine, except for the assumption of using the Internet as
a trusted medium to any extent ("except", right? ;-)). I just got some
retribution from the Internet AI Gods, it seems. No internet access
for a week ...

> what
> *do* you trust?

 Well, let me just say that it somehow makes me feel somewhat
satisfied. As some sort of conservation law I think when they give me
sh!t you are not getting it ...

 lbrtchx



Re: Do I have to worry about system zsh config files getting wiped out?

2024-01-27 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:31:07PM -0500, Dotfiles wrote:
> > 
> > Debian always does this with configuration files.
> > 
> 
> OK, thanks. I’ve seen those prompts before with other config files but I 
> wasn’t sure if it also happened with zsh. But it sounds like this is standard 
> behavior for all config files. Good to know. 

The packager has to mark them as so-called conffiles. Files
going to /etc are these days, by default, conffiles (so the
packager would have to go out of their way for it to not be
so).

Cheers
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Re: Do I have to worry about system zsh config files getting wiped out?

2024-01-27 Thread Dotfiles
> 
> Debian always does this with configuration files.
> 

OK, thanks. I’ve seen those prompts before with other config files but I wasn’t 
sure if it also happened with zsh. But it sounds like this is standard behavior 
for all config files. Good to know. 



Re: Do I have to worry about system zsh config files getting wiped out?

2024-01-27 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 01:56:57PM -0500, Dotfiles wrote:
> If I make changes to the config files in /etc/zsh, do I have to worry about 
> them getting overwritten if I do an upgrade to the next major Debian release? 

If that release comes with a new config file, you will be
asked at installation time whether you want to keep your
old config file or install the new one. You'll be offered
to see a diff between your version and the new one, and
in any case, the "other" file (your old, modified file or
the new one) is kept under a different name.

Debian always does this with configuration files.

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Do I have to worry about system zsh config files getting wiped out?

2024-01-27 Thread Dotfiles
If I make changes to the config files in /etc/zsh, do I have to worry about 
them getting overwritten if I do an upgrade to the next major Debian release? 


Request about Boot Repair Disk

2024-01-27 Thread frantal
I have installed Windows 10 on a notebook Asus F552M. Then I installed Debian 
12, but no Grub at reboot only Windows. If I use SuperGrub cd by manual booting 
I can access to debian and boot it. So I used Boort Repair Disk 64 to try to 
repair, but it gave me a report advicing me to ask online with that report here 
under: (it is a long report)

< boot-repair-4ppa125 [20240127_1537]
 
== Boot Info Summary ===
 
=> Grub2 (v2.00) is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda and looks at sector
567169024 of the same hard drive for core.img. core.img is at this
location and looks for (,gpt6)/boot/grub. It also embeds following
components:

modules
---
fshelp ext2 part_gpt biosdisk
---
 
sda1: __
 
File system: vfat
Boot sector type: Windows 8/2012: FAT32
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files: /efi/Boot/bootx64.efi /efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgr.efi
/efi/Microsoft/Boot/memtest.efi
 
sda2: __
 
File system:
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
 
sda3: __
 
File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows 8/2012: NTFS
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System: Windows 10
Boot files: /Windows/System32/winload.exe
 
sda4: __
 
File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows 8/2012: NTFS
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files:
 
sda5: __
 
File system: BIOS Boot partition
Boot sector type: Grub2's core.img
Boot sector info:
 
sda6: __
 
File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Boot files: /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/fstab /etc/default/grub
/boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img
 
sda7: __
 
File system: swap
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
 
sda8: __
 
File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:
 

 2 OS detected =
 
OS#1: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) on sda6
OS#2: Windows 10 on sda3
 
 Architecture/Host Info 
 
CPU architecture: 64-bit
Live-session OS is Ubuntu 64-bit (Boot-Repair-Disk 64bit 20200604, bionic, 
x86_64)
 

= UEFI =
 
BIOS is EFI-compatible, and is setup in EFI-mode for this live-session.
 
efibootmgr -v
No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery
 
df480f092e56b632513b4616bdeade95 sda1/Boot/bootx64.efi
df480f092e56b632513b4616bdeade95 sda1/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
0a70ebdfe73694eb6188f70e81b47a79 sda1/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgr.efi
 

= Drive/Partition Info =
 
Disks info: 
 
sda : is-GPT, hasBIOSboot, has---ESP, not-usb, not-mmc, has-os, 2048 sectors * 
512 bytes
 
Partitions info (1/3): _
 
sda1 : no-os, 32, nopakmgr, no-docgrub, nogrub, nogrubinstall, no-grubenv, 
noupdategrub, not-far
sda3 : is-os, 32, nopakmgr, no-docgrub, nogrub, nogrubinstall, no-grubenv, 
noupdategrub, farbios
sda4 : no-os, 32, nopakmgr, no-docgrub, nogrub, nogrubinstall, no-grubenv, 
noupdategrub, farbios
sda6 : is-os, 64, apt-get, grub-pc , grub2, grub-install, grubenv-ok, 
update-grub, farbios
sda8 : no-os, 32, nopakmgr, no-docgrub, nogrub, nogrubinstall, no-grubenv, 
noupdategrub, farbios
 
Partitions info (2/3): _
 
sda1 : is---ESP, part-has-no-fstab, no-nt, no-winload, no-recov-nor-hid, 
no-bmgr, notwinboot
sda3 : isnotESP, part-has-no-fstab, no-nt, haswinload, no-recov-nor-hid, 
no-bmgr, notwinboot
sda4 : isnotESP, part-has-no-fstab, no-nt, no-winload, recovery-or-hidden, 
no-bmgr, notwinboot
sda6 : isnotESP, fstab-without-efi, no-nt, no-winload, no-recov-nor-hid, 
no-bmgr, notwinboot
sda8 : isnotESP, part-has-no-fstab, no-nt, no-winload, no-recov-nor-hid, 
no-bmgr, notwinboot
 
Partitions info (3/3): _
 
sda1 : not-sepboot, no-boot, part-has-no-fstab, not-sep-usr, no---usr, 
part-has-no-fstab, std-grub.d, sda
sda3 : n

Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-27 Thread Nicolas George
David Wright (12024-01-26):
> It looks as if the root directory is decrypted by
> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/cryptroot
> and, from its prereqs, that this script makes sure it
> is the last to run from scripts/local-top, by actually
> being run from scripts/local-block/cryptroot.
> (Correct me if I'm wrong: I'm a tyro in here.)
> 
> I notice that there is a slew of empty directories in
> /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/, and I can only assume
> that anything you drop into these gets merged with
> those in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ when
> the initramfs is built.
> 
> There is no scripts/local-block/ directory under /etc/,
> possibly because it's not intended that you interfere
> with the "ordering trick" mentioned above.

Thanks for pulling on this plate of spaghetti for me.

> So I would try dropping a logging/printing script into
> /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ in order to see
> whether it runs, and at the right time. The script
> could also look and see what support is already
> available for making noises.

That would run the script just before cryptsetup is called. That is
almost what I want, but the small gap is blocking: cryptsetup might ask
for the password several times (if the user types it wrong), and the
sound must be played again too in that case.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George



Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-27 Thread Nicolas George
Curt (12024-01-27):
> (Anyway, this is what my personal robot explained to me and may be subject to
> imperfection and error.)

I started explaining all the ways this answer is obviously nonsensical,
but I got fed up and deleted it.

If I wanted the answers from a stupid AI, I could have asked directly. I
wrote to this list in the small hope of having an answer from somebody
competent who knows what about the issue.

-- 
  Nicolas George, starting a list



Re: Debian:12.4/stable [amd64] ...

2024-01-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:32:57PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> apt-get installation logs (in --dry-run mode) show lines like:
> ...
> Inst libvncclient1 (0.9.14+dfsg-1 Debian:12.4/stable [amd64])
> Inst vlc-bin (3.0.20-0+deb12u1 Debian:12.4/stable [amd64])
> Inst vlc-plugin-qt (3.0.20-0+deb12u1 Debian:12.4/stable [amd64])
> ...
> you can get most parts of the suffix: "Debian:12.4/stable [amd64]", in
> various way except the ".4" and the "stable" parts.
> 
> How could you get, list those ".4" and "stable" attributes prior to
> running apt-get?
> 
> lbrtchx
>
Hi Albretch (and every time I see that I want to write Albrecht, sorry)

I am consistently *puzzled* by what you are trying to do: I think that
that is just effectively recording the repository that the package comes
from. What does your /etc/sources.list consist of - and if it references
bookworm, in what way does 12.4 surprise you? (Hint: That will change
in about two weeks to 12.5 ...)

Your approach to all of this is best described as idiosyncratic - if
you really don't trust Debian and apt and the way we do things, what
*do* you trust?

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org)



Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-27 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 05:07:37PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2024-01-26, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Curt (12024-01-26):
> >> A play-sound.timer unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/initrd
> >> directory.
> >
> > I see no mention of this directory on the web. Where did yo find the
> > idea of using it, I want to check the doc.
> 
> I guess that path should've been /usr/local/lib/systemd/system-generators/*.

Emphasing "guess"

 
> https://manpages.debian.org/testing/systemd/systemd.generator.7.en.html

Text from that URL:

  Generators are small executables placed in
  /lib/systemd/system-generators/ and other directories listed
  above. systemd(1) will execute these binaries very early at bootup and
  at configuration reload time — before unit files are loaded. Their
  main purpose is to convert configuration and execution context
  parameters that are not native to the service manager into dynamically
  generated unit files, symlinks or unit file drop-ins, so that they
  can extend the unit file hierarchy the service manager subsequently
  loads and operates on.
 
> > And what should I put in the timer file to express “when a password is
> > asked”?
> 
> > In fact, what relation do you see between a timer and cryptsetup asking
> > for a password?
> >
> 

} Harmfull text

 
> 
> (Anyway, this is what my personal robot explained to me

Do mankind a favor and next time start with expressing that.


> and may be subject to imperfection and error.)
 
I'm fairly sure it is an error.
And the first two laws of Clarke say I should not have sent this email.

 
Groeten
Geert Stappers
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-- 
Silence is hard to parse



Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-27 Thread Curt
On 2024-01-26, Nicolas George  wrote:
> Curt (12024-01-26):
>> A play-sound.timer unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/initrd
>> directory.
>
> I see no mention of this directory on the web. Where did yo find the
> idea of using it, I want to check the doc.

I guess that path should've been /usr/local/lib/systemd/system-generators/*.

https://manpages.debian.org/testing/systemd/systemd.generator.7.en.html

> And what should I put in the timer file to express “when a password is
> asked”?

> In fact, what relation do you see between a timer and cryptsetup asking
> for a password?
>


**Step 1: Create the Timer Unit File**

1. Create a timer unit file named `play-sound-cryptsetup.timer` in the
`/usr/local/lib/systemd/system-generators/initrd` directory.

2. Add the following content to the `play-sound-cryptsetup.timer` file:

```
[Unit]
Description=Play sound when cryptsetup prompts for a password

[Timer]
OnBootSec=0

[Install]
WantedBy=initrd.target
```
This timer will be triggered immediately after the initrd is loaded, ensuring
the sound is played at the very beginning of the boot process.

**Step 2: Create the Service Unit File**

1. Create a service unit file named `play-sound-cryptsetup.service` in the same
directory as the timer unit file 
(`/usr/local/lib/systemd/system-generators/initrd`).

2. Add the following content to the `play-sound-cryptsetup.service` file:

```
[Unit]
Description=Play sound when cryptsetup prompts for a password

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/usr/bin/cryptsetup --key-file /dev/null open-dialog cryptluks
ExecStartPost=/bin/play -q /path/to/your/sound.wav
```

Replace `cryptluks` with the actual device name of your encrypted partition.

**Step 3: Create the Initrd Image**

1. Build the initrd image using the `mkinitrd` tool:

```
mkinitrd -f /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img -v
```

2. Update the initrd image to be used by systemd:

```
sudo update-initramfs -u
```

**Step 4: Enable and Start the Timer**

1. Enable the timer to ensure it runs every time the system boots:

```
sudo systemctl enable play-sound-cryptsetup.timer
```

2. Start the timer to play the sound immediately:

```
sudo systemctl start play-sound-cryptsetup.timer
```

Now, every time you boot your system and cryptsetup prompts for a password, the
specified sound file (`/path/to/your/sound.wav`) will play. 

(Anyway, this is what my personal robot explained to me and may be subject to
imperfection and error.)



Re: Monospace fonts, Re: Changing The PSI Definition

2024-01-27 Thread Michael Stone

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 01:50:38PM -0600, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 26 Jan 2024 at 07:25:13 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 07:32:38PM -0500, Thomas George wrote:
> > The current PSI works perfectly but I don't like the pale green prompt.
> >
> > Tried editing .bashrd , /ext/fprofile and /ext/bash.bashrc but no changes to
> > the PSI definition had any effect
>
> You appear to be asking about the shell prompt.
>
> In bash, the shell prompt is defined in the PS1 variable, which stands
> for "Prompt String One (1)".  The last character is the numeral 1, not
> the capital letter I.

Might be time for a new font. I like Inconsolata, but l1I!
should never look similar, nor O0@ or S$.


I'll give a shout-out for Hack,¹ which I can't fault for use in
xterms. Comparingxterm -geometry 80x25+0+0 -fa hack -fs 16
with   xterm -geometry 80x25+0+0 -fa inconsolata -fs 18
(to make the sizes roughly the same), I find the inconsolata
stroke width on the basic Roman alphabet is a little spindly.


I've been pretty happy with the Intel One Mono font lately, it seems to 
incorporate the lessons learned from previous attempts at a highly 
readable mono font and I find it extremely legible. There are complaints 
about certain features being "ugly", but I'm well into a stage of life 
where I care more about being able to easily read the text without 
eyestrain than what it looks like on a sample sheet.




Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

2024-01-27 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 1/19/24, David Wright  wrote:
> On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 22:19:21 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote:
>>  Package dependencies to me are just DAGs,
> Are they? No circular dependencies?

 The way I see them, "circular dependencies" are "cultural".
"organizational" issues not essentially technical ones. circular
dependencies happen in packages which should be part of the same node.
Show me examples in which it is not the case.

>> [ … ] I haven’t found a book yet, explaining it all.
>> At times I have found great explanations about single aspects.
> What sales figures would you expect to see with such a book?

 ... and since that sounds to me like ransom money aren't you the one
who would determine the amount yourself?

 lbrtchx



Debian:12.4/stable [amd64] ...

2024-01-27 Thread Albretch Mueller
apt-get installation logs (in --dry-run mode) show lines like:
...
Inst libvncclient1 (0.9.14+dfsg-1 Debian:12.4/stable [amd64])
Inst vlc-bin (3.0.20-0+deb12u1 Debian:12.4/stable [amd64])
Inst vlc-plugin-qt (3.0.20-0+deb12u1 Debian:12.4/stable [amd64])
...
you can get most parts of the suffix: "Debian:12.4/stable [amd64]", in
various way except the ".4" and the "stable" parts.

How could you get, list those ".4" and "stable" attributes prior to
running apt-get?

lbrtchx



AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-27 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good afternoon
Thank You

There is only one password.
The problem was created until
the update to DEBIAN 11 created panic.
Before
sudo
su
su -

did work.

Regards
Sophie



Von: Gareth Evans 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Januar 2024 04:31
An: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Betreff: Re: su su- sudo dont work



> On 23 Jan 2024, at 18:30, Hans  wrote:
>
> Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 13:54:25 CET schrieb Schwibinger Michael:
> For gvetting root as normal user, best is use "su -".
>
> Note: It is not "su-", but "su -", with a space between su and the minus sign.

Also su requires root's password, not the user's, just in case that's worth 
mentioning...


Re: Postponed publickey before Accepted publickey - what's happening there then?

2024-01-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi,

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 09:55:16AM +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 27 Jan 2024 08:12 +, from a...@strugglers.net (Andy Smith):
> > This only happens when I log in as root using a public key, i.e.
> > 
> > ssh -i /path/to/pubkey r...@t.example.com
> 
> According to https://access.redhat.com/solutions/20057 this can happen
> in cases where multiple authentication methods are tried. You should
> be able to confirm this by adding -v to your ssh command line and
> looking for authentication methods that are not your presumably
> intended publickey.

The only authentication methods that are tried are publickey, it's
just that it seems it tries several public keys that won't work
first:

debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/andy/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Offering ED25519 public key: andy@jameson
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/andy/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/andy/.ssh/foo_rsa
debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg rsa-sha2-512 blen 535
debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey).
Authenticated to t.example.com ([2001:db8:0:1f1::13]:922).

(/home/andy/.ssh/foo_rsa being what was specified on the ssh command
line with -i)

Presumably if there WERE no working public keys then it would get
around to trying another method, but publickey is offered first.

If I do:

$ ssh -o IdentitiesOnly=yes -i ~/.ssh/foo_rsa r...@t.example.com

then only that single public key is offered and there is no message
about publickey being postponed, so that must be it.

Though I still wonder why it bopthers to log anything about
publickey being postponed in the first place.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after

2024-01-27 Thread Ralph Aichinger
On Fri, 2024-01-26 at 16:11 +0100, hw wrote:
> I've never had issues with any UPS due to self tests.  The batteries
> need to be replaced when they are worn out.  How often that is
> required depends on the UPS and the conditions it is working in,
> usually every 3--5 years.

It was with some small to mid APC model, I think. We had about 1 to 2kW
worth of servers on it, so it was not that small, definitely no
consumer type. When I took over maintenance somebody had configured
some sort of weekly or biweekly self-test, that switched over to 
battery, was supposed to run the battery down to 25% or similar, and
then return to mains power/charging.

Except once what the UPS considered 25% charge seemingly was not, and
everything shut down instantly.

> I rather spend the money on new batteries (EUR 40 last time after 5
> years) every couple years rather than spending thousands on replacing
> the hardware when a power surge damages it which could have been
> prevented by the UPS, and it's better to have the machines shut down
> properly rather taking risks with potential data loss, regardless of
> file systems and RAID setups in use.

I think having hardware for "thousands" and having a UPS with that
cheap batteries is not that common. In above company we certainly had 
hardware for thousands, but changing batteries cost hundreds of Euros,
even with off-brand aftermarket parts. It also was complicated to order
the right parts etc.

> RAID isn't as complicated as you think.  Hardware RAID is most
> simple,
> followed by btrfs, followed by mdadm.

I have to disagree with that too. Some hardware RAIDs might be simple,
but others are not. Tracking down the rebrandings of Adaptec,
aquisitions and mergers, is a science by itself. As is finding and
installing their Firmware and utilites. Are they still calles Avago, 
or something new again?

Or all that BBU stuff: Tracking the state of battery backup units
on the controller, and ordering and replacing the correct battery
is also not really easy. Clearly enterprise IT type of stuff, keeping
even knowledgeable people busy for hours, if you don't do it at scale 
and regularily.

Also often Linux support is problematic. Yes, it will work, but
sometimes certain utilities are not available or work as good as
with Windows.

On the other hand mdadm software RAID is well documented and painless.

> 
> With hardware RAID I can instruct someone who has no idea what
> they're
> doing to replace a failed disk remotely.  Same goes for btrfs and
> mdadm, though it better be someone who isn't entirely clueless

In fact this was my job for some time: Administering hardware RAID 
equipped servers, and instructing "remote hands" or customers to 
swap harddisks. It was not always easy, not always were the correct
disks pulled, even though it was correctly labelled. Sometimes 
clueless people tried swapping by themselves, mixing stuff up. We
also had one server with wrong labelling, for whatever reason. That 
was no fun ;) 

Now I won't dispute that RAID has its place in data centers and many
other applications. I just doubt that it is the correct choice for many
home users.

> More importantly, the hassle involved in trying to recover from a
> failed disk is ridiculously enormous without RAID and can get
> expensive when hours of work were lost.  With RAID, you don't even
> notice unless you keep an eye on it, and when a disk has failed, you
> simply order a replacement and plug it in.

Yes, that can happen. But more often than not the scenario is like it 
is with most notebooks today. You send your notebook in for repair, and
have to reinstall anyway. Happened to me. I backed up my Debian system,
sent the device in for hardware repair, got it back with Windows 10 ;)
And no, it was not the disk that was broken, but the touchpad.

> 
> It's not like you could go to a hardware store around the corner and
> get a new disk same or next day.  Even if you have a store around,
> they will need to order the disk, and that can, these days, take
> weeks
> or months or longer if it's a small store. 

For consumer hard disks? I just go to my favourite shop if I need
a replacement, and they've got maybe 20 or 30 types of hard disk 
in stock, to be bought right away. Even more with SSDs. And I am
in a smallish city, pop. 250.000.


> That is simply wrong.  RAID doesn't protect you from malware, and
> nothing protects you from user error.  If you have data losses from
> malware and/or user error more often than from failed disks, you're
> doing something majorly wrong.

In my experience user error is the main source of data loss. By far.

> This shows that you have no experience with RAID and is not an
> argument.

I've got years of experience with RAID, both in my personal use and
with employers doing stuff on RAID for customers and internal services.
In my experience RAID is a nice solution for data center type setups.
RAID often is problematic for home users or even small offices.

> Making backups 

Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hello,

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 11:05:30AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Andy Smith wrote:
> > It is hard to understand how what Michael/Sophie/Tobias does can in
> > any way be "fun" for them, though maybe that is just our lack of
> > understanding.
> 
> I expressed my suspicion of a "Hurz" performance in
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00100.html

Okay, but it seems to me that watching an audience try to take a
nonsense opera seriously is a bit more sophisticated and has scope
for amusement, unlike for example an endless stream of mispastes and
misunderstandings about "sudo" and "su".

But I guess what one finds amusing can have a very wide variability…

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: Changing The PSI Definition

2024-01-27 Thread Karl Vogel
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 07:42:30AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Might be time for a new font. I like Inconsolata, but l1I!
> should never look similar, nor O0@ or S$. 

  My eyesight sucks like a black hole with daddy issues, so I like fonts
  that are a bit larger than most.  My favorites on xterm:

  * xft:Menlo-Regular:pixelsize=20:bold
  * xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=21:bold
  * xft:Cascadia:pixelsize=22:bold
  * xft:FiraMono-Regular:pixelsize=22

  Your examples above are very readable with Menlo.  These aren't bad:

  * xft:Edlo:pixelsize=21:bold
  * xft:Inconsolata-Bold:pixelsize=25:bold
  * xft:Meslo LG S:pixelsize=20:bold
  * xft:Meslo LG S:pixelsize=21:bold
  * xft:UbuntuMono-B:pixelsize=25:bold

  I run two xterms side-by-side on a 23-inch monitor:

/usr/local/bin/xterm -geometry 80x40-0+0 -j -b 10 -sb \
  -si -sk -ls -u8 -sl 4000 -cr blue -bd black -bg white \
  -fa xft:Menlo-Regular:pixelsize=20:bold -title Remote

  For browsing (Firefox), my "prefs.js" file holds:

user_pref("browser.display.use_document_fonts", 0);
user_pref("font.default.x-western", "sans-serif");
user_pref("font.internaluseonly.changed", false);
user_pref("font.minimum-size.x-western", 18);
user_pref("font.name.monospace.x-western", "DejaVu Sans");
user_pref("font.name.sans-serif.x-western", "sans-serif");
user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "DejaVu Serif");
user_pref("font.size.fixed.x-western", 18);
user_pref("font.size.variable.x-western", 18);

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Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Andy Smith wrote:
> It is hard to understand how what Michael/Sophie/Tobias does can in
> any way be "fun" for them, though maybe that is just our lack of
> understanding.

I expressed my suspicion of a "Hurz" performance in
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/05/msg00100.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: Postponed publickey before Accepted publickey - what's happening there then?

2024-01-27 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 27 Jan 2024 08:12 +, from a...@strugglers.net (Andy Smith):
> 2024-01-27T07:59:42.003881+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]: Postponed 
> publickey for root from 2001:db8:1f1:f0c2::2 port 37032 ssh2 [preauth]
> 2024-01-27T07:59:42.01+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]: Accepted 
> publickey for root from 2001:db8:1f1:f0c2::2 port 37032 ssh2: RSA 
> SHA256:iC8C78UYVJdr+bsqV1hbtBFuft6KHi0b8i308Zn0C9o
> 2024-01-27T07:59:42.020718+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]: 
> pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
> 2024-01-27T07:59:42.033599+00:00 t.example.com systemd-logind[1729]: New 
> session 18604 of user root.

Thank you for using 2001:db8::/32 and example.com instead of some
random made-up prefix and domain name. :-)


> This only happens when I log in as root using a public key, i.e.
> 
> ssh -i /path/to/pubkey r...@t.example.com

According to https://access.redhat.com/solutions/20057 this can happen
in cases where multiple authentication methods are tried. You should
be able to confirm this by adding -v to your ssh command line and
looking for authentication methods that are not your presumably
intended publickey.

According to https://forums.centos.org/viewtopic.php?t=52896 and
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46525629/ssh-failing-after-postponed-publickey-and-single-attempt
it can also happen if there is a problem with accessing the secret
key, but it looks like in those cases authentication ultimately fails,
which is not the case for you, so that cause seems less likely.

So I would first try adding to your ssh command: -o 
PreferredAuthentications=publickey

If that causes the message to go away on the server side, then update
your SSH client configuration accordingly.

You can also try disabling all unwanted authentication methods as
suggested on the Red Hat page, and maybe enabling them on a
host-by-host and as-needed basis.

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Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

2024-01-27 Thread Roger Price

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 26 Jan 2024 at 19:03:33 (+0100), Roger Price wrote:

I currently have two Eaton Ellipse ECO 1600's. ... The four screws are deeply 
recessed and difficult to see.  They have different heads: some are Torx 10, 
others are a star.



20/20 hindsight might suggest that you were only intended
to remove the star, if by that you mean Philips/Pozidrive.


What I called "star" is probably a Quadrex.

Roger



Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Hans,

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 10:23:09AM +0100, Hans wrote:
> I see this exactly as you and are watching this list for may years.

I'm not sure who you're replying to as you've removed those details,
though I may guess from your In-Reply-To header which doesn't point
to a list message. You haven't replied to an off-list (personal)
mail back onto the list have you? Be careful there!

> But since the beginning, I had the suspicion, that someone just
> wants to make fun with us.

It is hard to understand how what Michael/Sophie/Tobias does can in
any way be "fun" for them, though maybe that is just our lack of
understanding.

Either they are incredibly confused by Linux or they are pretending
to be for reasons beyond my understanding. Whatever the case, I
don't think I have ever seen one of their threads result in a
positive resolution.

It's probably best to not assume that what we don't understand is
hostile and/or an AI experiment. Even so, that doesn't mean it is
possible to help.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-27 Thread Hans
I see this exactly as you and are watching this list for may years.

However, I wanted not to be so directly because I want not to blame anyone on 
this list.

But since the beginning, I had the suspicion, that someone just wants to make 
fun with us.

Aleady from the beginning I checked after the mail adress (please note, I am 
German myself) and found some theater group behind the mailadress. 

So I personally(!) believe, the group is making fun with us, but even then I 
gave him a chance. 

And again I personally(!) (and this is my very personal opinion), I think, 
nobody is so stupid, that he/she can not do a su or install a package. NOT 
after 2 years!!!

For me, I will get no help here for this person, just ignore it. This is my 
very personal decision!

Sorry to say it, but for me personally it looks like fake! Like a morone, like 
a troll.

And those I can not support, sorry.

Please excuse, I do not want to hurt anyone, just tell, what I think.

Best regards

Hans  

> I see very similar posts in the German language list from the last two
> years but as Tobias Schwibingerr or similar - also signed by a Sophie
> 
> When I asked this question some time ago, it seems that the German language
> list had concluded that this person might be a troll (or even a psychology
> experiment / AI) :(
> 
> Like you, I have attempted to engage - but I think none of us will see
> any change - I think the German list pays no attention / may have blocked
> this user.
> 





Postponed publickey before Accepted publickey - what's happening there then?

2024-01-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi,

I typically have logcheck send me anomalous logs. In the last week,
all Debian 10 machines (I know, I know, upgrade needed) started
logging this whenever I logged in from a particular other host by
SSH:

2024-01-27T07:59:42.003881+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]: Postponed publickey 
for root from 2001:db8:1f1:f0c2::2 port 37032 ssh2 [preauth]
2024-01-27T07:59:42.01+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]: Accepted publickey 
for root from 2001:db8:1f1:f0c2::2 port 37032 ssh2: RSA 
SHA256:iC8C78UYVJdr+bsqV1hbtBFuft6KHi0b8i308Zn0C9o
2024-01-27T07:59:42.020718+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]: 
pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
2024-01-27T07:59:42.033599+00:00 t.example.com systemd-logind[1729]: New 
session 18604 of user root.

(host names and IPv6 addresses are made up as not relevant here)

As you can see, this login was successful. What I had not seen
before was the line:

2024-01-27T07:59:42.003881+00:00 t.example.com sshd[12319]:
Postponed publickey for root from 2001:db8:1f1:f0c2::2 port
37032 ssh2 [preauth]

This only happens when I log in as root using a public key, i.e.

ssh -i /path/to/pubkey r...@t.example.com

(though in reality a script doing this, but I can replicate the same
when doing it manually). The "postponed" line doesn't happen when I
log in by key as my own user.

What is actually happening there to cause that line to be logged
then?

Is it possibly something to do with my ssh-agent having another key
that would allow that to work, but it waits to use the key
specified on the ssh command line?

I am not aware of any change made in the last week or two that would
cause this to start happening, although I did reboot the client host
(2001:db8:1f1:f0c2::2 here) in that time frame so possibly my
ssh-agent environment has changed in some way.

Thanks,
]Andy

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