Fonts in GNOME badly broken!
I helped a friend install Debian today. My friend is new to Linux so I decided to install KDE and GNOME, plus a few window managers, and showed him how to use KDM to switch between them. To make a long story short, GNOME does not function properly. I'm a KDE user myself, and haven't tried GNOME in over a year before today, and thus do not know how to set it up properly. He's running Woody, XFree86 4, and 2.4.18 kernel. The problem? GNOME starts just fine, but anywhere there is supposed to be a text, it shows funny boxes. KDE and WindowMaker work fine. I have both 75dpi and 100dpi fonts installed, as well as the msttfcorefonts package. I can't mess with the configuration dialog, because I get no text there as well. The text for the window title-bars works (using Sawfish). GNOME apps, such as the GIMP, also exhibit this behavior when running under non-GNOME environments. What did I do wrong? Did I leave out a package? --Aaron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNOME font wierdness
I helped a friend install Debian today. My friend is new to Linux so I decided to install KDE and GNOME, plus a few window managers, and showed him how to use KDM to switch between them. To make a long story short, GNOME does not function properly. I'm a KDE user myself, and haven't tried GNOME in over a year before today, and thus do not know how to set it up properly. He's running Woody, XFree86 4, and 2.4.18 kernel. The problem? GNOME starts just fine, but anywhere there is supposed to be a text, it shows funny boxes. KDE and WindowMaker work fine. I have both 75dpi and 100dpi fonts installed, as well as the msttfcorefonts package. I can't mess with the configuration dialog, because I get no text there as well. The text for the window title-bars works (using Sawfish). GNOME apps, such as the GIMP, also exhibit this behavior when running under non-GNOME environments. What did I do wrong? Did I leave out a package? --Aaron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux-friendliest video card mfg?
Depends what you mean by friendly. NVIDIA pays employees to write their own high-quality Linux/X11 drivers, but they are closed source. Matrox and ATI provide some assistance to the open source community in writing drivers. If you want high 3D performance, go NVIDIA. If you want solid 2D performance, go Matrox. --Aaron Traas Kent West wrote: Which video card brand is the friendliest to Linux? I figure to vote with my $. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with kdevelop....
I can't seem to get kdevelop 2.0 (woody, kernel 2.4.17) to generate a project with CVS support. It normally generates projects just fine, but when I try to make it with CVS support, it bails, complaining that Makefile.dist doesn't exist or something. Anyone know what's going on?? --Aaron Traas
Help! NFS Wierdness...
I'm having a really strange problem with mounting NFS partitions on my Debian box. I have another box running an NFS server on the same network, and am trying to mount an NFS share on my client PC. I type: mount 10.1.1.40:/home/cvs -t nfs /home/cvs And the terminal in which I do this completely hangs. I can close it if it's an xterm. Sometimes it actually mounts the partition... but still hangs the terminal. Whether or not it mounts the partition, mount becomes an unkillable process (kill -9 does nothing). umount similarly locks the terminal. What am I doing wrong? FYI: I'm running Woody w/ 2.4.17 custom compiled kernel. Yes, I did compile in NFS support. What am I doing wrong?
Re: a modest proposal - Debian needs more $
I have an interesting counter-proposal. Everyone on this list probably uses debian in one way or another. A few of us, myself included, have a little extra cash which we could give the project. Why don't we borrow an old tradition: voluntary tithe. For Debian users, a suggested donation schedule could be made, such as $2.00 USD per month, per Debian box if apt-get (or deselect, etc.) was used in that month. We could make an application called tithe-manageter or titheman or something, and enable you to set it up on any/all of your debian boxen, that keeps track of things like dist-upgrades. It would allow the user to set his/her own tithe amounts per whatever common action the user wishes to tithe, and optionally store the user's credit card numbers for automated/manual uploads to tithe.debian.org, so it will be easy and seamless to donate. This would also need to be a centrally managed app, such that the lightweight tithe-server is run on all the debian boxen (8 of them) on my local area network, and one of them would be designated as the tithe=anager client, that would centrally gather all of the data for the month and either report to me or optionally automagically send a donation by credit card at the end of the month. This would make it simple/automatic to periodically donate small amounts of cash, for anyone who is too forgetful to do so on a regular basis. At the same time, it would be an entirely opt-in thing, so people who do not have the money/do not wish to donate/put in 80 hours a week maintaining packages are not forced to do so. --Aaron Traas
Re: a modest proposal - Debian needs more $
martin f krafft wrote: This would make it simple/automatic to periodically donate small amounts of cash, for anyone who is too forgetful to do so on a regular basis. At the same time, it would be an entirely opt-in thing, so people who do not have the money/do not wish to donate/put in 80 hours a week maintaining packages are not forced to do so. this is the only good aspect, but why do it that way. people need to get over the herde mentality. if you have money around and you appreciate debian, send a check to one of the main people. The reason I propose this is for people like me who really don't think of it much. I'm terrible at remembering to do regular things, while at the same time, I'd like to give, say, $200 or so a year to Debian. I just never thought of it until this thread, and will probably forget about it next year. Maybe the method I proposed was a bit complicated, but a structured method of suggested donations is what people like myself need. if you don't have cash to spare (like me), then donate time. employment = time = money = donation. unemployed = time = donation. why take the extra step ;). What is entailed in being a Debian developer or package maintainer? I'm good at coding high level stuff, with rich API's like Java/Swing or C++/Qt, but really rusty at the low-level C stuff. Where can I help? (NOTE: I may not be able to do anything until the summer; juggling classes and consulting work, including my CS senior project.) --Aaron Traas
Re: installing Woody on new box - best way to go about it?
Rachel Andrew wrote: I have a CD with Potato on it, given that I am on a single band ISDN dial-up here am I best to install Potato and upgrade or is there somewhere I can download a CD image of Woody? (If so I could get my other half to download that at work on their DSL) Most of the Woody ISO's and install scripts are really buggy. If I were you, I'd do a super-minimal Potato install, get networking up, edit apt-sources, and upgrade to Woody, install packages as needed. Is KDE 2.2 still only available in Sid? I have done this process before so I can get the packages from 2 places, however if it has made it into Woody then I needn't bother. KDE 2.2.1 for the most part is in Woody. Kmail in Woody is unfortunately still the 2.1 version, and thus does not support IMAP. ARG! I'm waiting to be able to replace Netscape mail with KMail, as I don't use Netscape for browsing any more... Konq is good enough for me. --Aaron
Re: Amount of RAM L1 cache on a processor will support
I don't know how to answer the question you asked, but there is something you need to consider. Assuming you have an Athlon of the Thunderbird core or later, you have: 128K of L1 cache 256K of L2 cache Most CPU's use an inclusive cache mechanism. What this means is that all data stored in the L1 cache is also mirrored in L2. This makes it easier to do a fetch; when data is fetched into cache, it is placed into L2. When a smaller subset is requested, it goes from L2 into L1, leaving a copy in L2. With the Thunderbird core, AMD switched over to using an exclusive cache mechanism. I.E., the data in L1 is NOT mirrored in L2. Thus, you have 384K of usable cache, and the differentiation of L1 and L2 is just for speed. Things get swapped between L1 and L2 as needed, but you really have 384K of cache to work with. That gives you more cacheable mem than you would with an inclusive system. Now, with a mere 512MB of RAM on a very modern system, you should be fine. Most modern systems can handle 1GB without having caching problems. There are some speed issues to worry about, however; Most larger DIMMs are slower than smaller DIMMs. For instance, most 512MB DIMMs are registered, which is slower than unbuffered. Most 512MB DIMMs have a CAS latency of 3 (CAS = Column Access Strobe), while many smaller DIMMs are rated at CAS 2. There are also signal integrigty issues with having 3 or more double-sided DIMMs on the same Mobo (case in point, the nForce chipset goes into SuperStability Mode if there is a double-sided DIMM in the third slot, which turns down performance a great deal to keep from becoming unstable.) I'm sorry if this answer was more than you bargained for, but I'm known among friends for not being able to give simple answers :) --Aaron David Teague wrote: If you put more RAM in a computer system than the caching system will suppport, the system will run more slowly than it would with less RAM. IF I understand correctly, the amount of RAM depends on the amount of tag RAM. I have 512 MB on my Abit MoBo with a 1GHz Athlon. How do I determine how much RAM the L1 cache in a 1GHz Athlon will support? --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I hope this is all of the above.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partial APT mirroring...
There is a package that sorta does what you want... it's called apt-proxy. You set up a box as your apt-proxy, and point all of your machines to that box. Every time someone downloads a package, it is cached on the apt-proxy; thus the first time you download, it will be slow, but subsequent downloads are done over the local network. I don't know a whole lot about the packacge, other than it mostly works. It uses RSYNC rather than HTTP or FTP to get the package from other Debian servers... not sure why this is. It also is a little flaky; It often gets to 99% when downloading a package, and then freezes. At that point I have to ^C and restart the apt-get upgrade/install/whatever and it works fine. I highly recommend the package. --Aaron Traas Don Werve wrote: I hope I'm not asking for something that has been re-hashed a few dozen times, but a Google search hasn't turned much up, and this is a bit of an irritant. How would one go about setting up a local partial APT mirror? One that mirrors only specific trees (such as stable and testing), and can exclude arbitrary types of packages (such as source or PA-RISC binaries)? I've looked at Absurd's scripts, but they seem designed for the older APT structure, and aren't happy with the pool at all. I'd like to set up a machine at my place-of-Ork that I can throw this partial mirror on, and then have all the Debian boxen we use point to it instead of at the Debian servers, thus using less of our (and the Debian Project's) available bandwidth. Thanks-in-advance! -- Don Werve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix System Administrator Plus je vois les hommes, plus j'admire les chiens. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD player
Peter Good wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:15, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: Video RAM is nearly irrelevant. Anything with 2MB can do 1024x768/16-bit which is what you want for DVD. This might be a silly question, but why then, do they sell video cards now, with at least 8mb standard, with 32mb in a lot, and in my case 64mb? Just wondering. Peter. The Linux kernel only requires like 4 MB of main memory, why do you install more? Like is said above, 2MB is required for 1024x768 @ 16bit color. Anything more will require more RAM. The difference between 16 bit and 24 bit color is very noticeable. On larger monitors, and higher end laptpops, you want a res higher than 1024x768. 8MB is all that is needed for simple 2D stuff. If you want to do anything fancy (dual-head display, 3D accelleration, etc.) you need more memory. This is particularly useful in 3D accelleration as in order to render a scene, all the textures must be loaded into video memory. Also, more video RAM means effects in 2D like double and triple buffering can work. In short, the more RAM, the more stuff you can do. --Aaron
Re: BIG xwindow apps
Craig Dickson wrote: nate wrote: in my 5 years of running X windows my experience is X is unusable for the most part with anything below 1024x768. 800x600 is just too painful. i would reccomend using a virtual desktop of 1024x768 or higher if your using 800x600. see the X docs on how to do this, its not too hard. been a while since i had to do it though. I have never tried to use X on anything less than 1024x768, but why should it be any worse than running MS Windows at the same resolution? (Purely considered as a graphical display -- ignore the issue of MS Windows crashing left and right.) Windows apps, particularly older ones, were designed to be usable at 640x480. I believe X started on Solaris, or at least first caught on there, and I believe the default then was 1152x864, because at 8BPP, it fit in 1 MB of video RAM. The first Windows 3.x machines ran almost exclusively at 640x480, as PC graphics cards really couldn't stand up to workstation frame buffer devices back then. X apps *are* generally bigger, and even those that are resizable do not take into consideration the way the layout shrinks at really small screen sizes. Most of the WM's use very thick titlebars, KDE and GNOME by default have very thick panels at the bottom, etc. X at less than 1024x768 is extremely painful. --Aaron
Re: New User. Hello
Raphael Bustin wrote: Hello All. Debian Newbie here. Welcome! You've chosen the right distro! I'm curious why there's no deb package for the latest (4.10 ?) version of XFree86. Or at least, I haven't found it on debian.org. Are there issues running 4.10 of XFree86 on potato? Well, Potato does not contain XFree86 4.1.x... Potato is rather outdated. XFree86 4.x, 2.4.x kernel, GCC 3.x, KDE 2.x, etc. all represent significant architectural changes, and can't just be added willy-nilly to a system that is called stable. Woody (testing) and Sid (unstable) are much more up to date, but often have major changes on a weekly basis. If I were running a production server and and apt-get upgrade changed a significant portion of my installed services, I'd be worried. Very little gets updated in Potato/stable... small, incremental upgrades occasionally, but mostly bug-fixes and security updates. In fact, when a bug gets fixed in a newer version of a given piece of software, the Debian developers often will back-port the bugfix to the version currently in stable, rather than putting a version of the software with newer, unknown bugs in. It seems my video card (the one I want to use, a Matrox G450) is only supported under V4.10 of XFree86. Never used a G450, but I do know that the G200 and G400 both worked in XFree86 3.x. You won't necessarily get some of the advanced features (DualHead, 3D accelleration, etc.), but it probably can be coaxed to work with the Matrox driver. I'd prefer the simplest possible acquire/install procedure, so I figured a deb package was the thing, right? If it's just a personal desktop system, I'd recommend editing your apt-sources and dist-upgrading to Woody/testing. Woody is damn stable; I have it installed on 7 machines in this room. After I got everything set up properly (read: advanced stuff in X), I haven't had a single crash (well, a couple of applications crashed, but they were in beta, or apps that I wrote that weren't debugged yet, etc., but no X locking up or OS failures). Can anyone recommend a serious tutorial on using dselect, or an X-based alternative to dselect? I just don't seem to grok it yet... The 'man' pages aren't helping. I invariably end up doing something wrong while in Select mode and end up Xing out of that for fear of messing things up. rafe b. I personally hate dselect. I use apt-get to do everything. I either look up the packages I need on the web site, or use apt-cache to search. You really only need to know apt-get install, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade for 99% of the stuff you will be doing. --Aaron
Re: GeForce3: X won't start!!!!
Yes, just now, but I'm not sure how it applies... I don't fully understand it, and does not mention the NVIDIA drivers. X worked before I upgraded my video card (from Matrox G200). --Aaron Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:45:05PM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: I just got a new GeForce3, and am having problems getting X working at all. I'm using an AMD 760 based motherboard with a 1ghz Athlon and SB Live!. I compiled a new kernel, and the NVIDIA kernel module and GLX package. I modified XF86Config-4 as the instructions said. When I type startx, I get the cool NVIDIA splash screen, and then X just exits. The real annoyance is there is NO error message given in the log. I'm using Woody, the newest version (1541) of the NVIDIA drivers, and the 2.4.9 kernel. This is really bugging me! Help! Have you read Branden Robinson's recent post to this list, with the subject line XFree86 news; users of TESTING or UNSTABLE, PLEASE READ? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce3: X won't start!!!!
Thanks! I must have missed that part. Worked like a charm! --Aaron Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:40:31AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: Yes, just now, but I'm not sure how it applies... I don't fully understand it, and does not mention the NVIDIA drivers. X worked before I upgraded my video card (from Matrox G200). If you are running xfree86-common 4.1.0-7, it may apply to you. It doesn't matter what video card you have. Edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start and replace 'exec $REALSTARTUP' with 'exec $REALSTARTUP'. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GeForce3: X won't start!!!!
I just got a new GeForce3, and am having problems getting X working at all. I'm using an AMD 760 based motherboard with a 1ghz Athlon and SB Live!. I compiled a new kernel, and the NVIDIA kernel module and GLX package. I modified XF86Config-4 as the instructions said. When I type startx, I get the cool NVIDIA splash screen, and then X just exits. The real annoyance is there is NO error message given in the log. I'm using Woody, the newest version (1541) of the NVIDIA drivers, and the 2.4.9 kernel. This is really bugging me! Help!
GeForce3: X won't start!!!!
I just got a new GeForce3, and am having problems getting X working at all. I'm using an AMD 760 based motherboard with a 1ghz Athlon and SB Live!. I compiled a new kernel, and the NVIDIA kernel module and GLX package. I modified XF86Config-4 as the instructions said. When I type startx, I get the cool NVIDIA splash screen, and then X just exits. The real annoyance is there is NO error message given in the log. I'm using Woody, the newest version (1541) of the NVIDIA drivers, and the 2.4.9 kernel. This is really bugging me! Help!
libterm-stool-perl ????
OK... I'm running a new Woody machine, and someone, somewhere along the line told me to use Slang for the default configuration interface. Unfortunately, this is not working. Everything that wants to use slang gives me errors about not having stool-perl installed. libterm-stool-perl is listed on the web site as a suggested option when installing libterm-slang-perl, but is also listed as NOT AVAILABLE, and has no page of its own. What the hell am I supposed to do? I'd like to configure debconf to use Dialog instead of Slang to get out of this mess, but don't know how... can someone please help me? --Aarn
802.11b reccommendation requested...
Hi... my campus just added a bunch of 802.11b base stations for wireless access by students. I'm running Woody with a 2.4.7 kernel on a Dell Inspiron 7500. Does anyone have any experience with an 802.11b wireless adapter that works with Debian out-of-the-box? My current network adapter is an Intel PRO/100 and modem combo card that takes up both slots, and offers a real RJ45 and RJ11 ports, as opposed to X-jacks or dongles. If I can get an 802.11b adapter that also has this feature, so I don't have to swap all the time, that would be a huge plus. Thanks! --Aaron
Emacs/X problems...
I'm using Woody/testing, and XFree86 4.x. I'm using emacsen flavor of Emacs20. When I start emacs, using my trusty old .emacs file I've been keeping and maintaining for years, The colors I've selected aren't quite working right. Basically, I set the background color to black, and that works, except or where there's text. Each character taken up by something other than whitespace has a white background. I've determined it's something to do with X, as the same .emacs file works beautifully when I export the display to my Solaris box. Does anyone know how to either: A) Have emacs override X's configuration -or- B) What *global* file I'm supposed to edit to make X behave nicely? Thanks! --Aaron Traas
Re: Emacs/X problems...
Yes, I am running KDE 2.1.1, and that was the problem! Everything works now. I did have to restart X to get this to work, however... Thanks for your help!! --Aaron Daniel Katz wrote: Aaron == Aaron Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aaron I'm using Woody/testing, and XFree86 4.x. I'm using emacsen Aaron flavor of Emacs20. Aaron Basically, I set the background color to black, and that works, Aaron except or where there's text. Each character taken up by Aaron something other than whitespace has a white background. Are you running KDE? I saw behavior like this under KDE until I unset the Apply fonts and colors to non-KDE apps checkbox in the control center. On my system, it's in the ControlCenter-LookFeel-Style frame. I run KDE 2.2, when I run KDE. :-)
Re: XFree86 4.x RENDER extension...
William Leese wrote: Oddly enough, at home I have debian unstable running on a machine with an Ati Rage Pro, which ofcourse is Mach64 based, _with_ the RENDER extension. Although before XFree86 4.1 there didn't seem to be support for it (atleast, i never got it work), but now RENDER simply works. Not that I use it though... because when i turn on anitaliasing in KDE only the ugliest fonts seem to be available to all X applications. I'd rather have everything in a good font (lucida, helvetica) than have to look at an ugly one that is antialiased. Aren't True Type Fonts Antialiasable? If so, the msttcorefonts package will (upon installation) log on to MS's web site and download all of the free (as in beer) Microsoft Core Fonts including Arial, Comic Sans, Times New Roman, Tahoma (my personal favortite) and Verdana. --Aaron
Re: Help! telnetd not working!
I'm very well aware that telnet is not a secure protocol, and would never install it on a machine that is directly accessible to the outside world. It's on a fileserver on an internal network behind a firewall. I do know what I'm doing from this respect. I'm a newbie to Debian, not to *NIX and networking. --Aaron Karsten M. Self wrote: I'll issue the standard advisory: telnetd is an insecure protocol and it's very strongly recommended that you *not* install or activate telnetd on your system. SSH is an encrypted, authenticated drop-in replacement, with clients available for all significant computing platforms. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA!http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hirehttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
XFree86 4.x RENDER extension...
I'm running Woody with Xfree86 4, and am wondering what I have to do to get the RENDER extension to work, and thus get KDE to anti-alias fonts. Can someone point me in the right direction? BTW: My graphics adapter is an ATI Rage Mobility Pro, and the system is a Dell Inspiron 7500. --Aaron
Help! telnetd not working!
I just installed debian on a new system today. Everything is working beautifully, except telnetd. I'm using xinetd (also tried inetd), and when I attempt to telnet to the machine, it sends me the contents of /etc/issue.net, and then eats up 99% CPU and just hangs. I don't know what to do. Any help would be appreciated. --Aaron Traas
Re: Speedo font?
You could try editing your XF86Config-4 file and removing the line that includes those fonts... Don't know if this will make X work, but at least it will fix this error. (I am assuming that since you are running woody, you are also running XFree86 4.0x) --Aaron Jeff Maxson wrote: I got my rage 128 video card today, fired up xf86config, went through that, and did the startx thing. Tadah! There was the grey screen and an X in the middle...for about half-a-second. The thing then quits, and spits me back out to console (on cntl-alt-F7, whatever you call that). I hit cntl-alt-F1 (the thing I was running when I typed startx), and the last line says Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, removing from list! and that's all she wrote. I've got all the standard font pkgs installed, and I updated all my stuff dealing with X last night (I'm running woody). Any help getting past that and into X desktop? I installed gdm, and it looks fine, and if you try to log in, it pops you right back to the login screen...hmmm... TIA Jeff -- Jeff Maxson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt and Gnome both on system?
Not quite... if you are using GNOME or KDE apps, you at least have to have the libraries installed. Feel free to use the apps in another window manager, but if the base libraries aren't installed, the apps won't run. In the case of most KDE apps, Qt isn't enough. The KDE folks extended Qt quite a bit, and thus still need some of the KDE libraries to run. --Aaron Matthew Garman wrote: On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:38:45AM -0700, Geoffrey Romer wrote: Your question is sort of unclear. First of all, I should clarify something- Qt is just a GUI toolkit- a library which programs can, if they chose, link against in order to provide the widgets which Qt provides. Since it's just a library, no 'switching' is involved- just run a program which uses Qt, and it will use Qt. All of the same applies to another toolkit, GTK/GTK+, which might be what you're referring to when you say 'Gnome.' In that case, you don't need to worry about switching- Qt and GTK apps can coexist with no problems whatsoever. Does this imply that you don't need GNOME or KDE in order to run programs that were written for one of those desktop environments? For example, the GNOME terminal, or some other program that has 'gnome' in its title? How about Konqueror, or other KDE apps? Can I run these programs with only GTK and QT installed? Stated another way, are there any programs that *require* any part of the GNOME or KDE desktop environments to be installed? I ask because I've been running GNOME for a while. But I don't really use any of the features it provides over a standalone window manager, so I don't see any reason to keep it. I can free up some space and install QT for some KDE apps that I've been wanting to look into for a while :) Thanks, Matt -- Matt Garman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around, Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday, Then I'll get on my knees and pray... -- Pete Townshend/The Who, Won't Get Fooled Again -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux on less than 8MByes of Memory
You're right, I did mean to send to the list. You must be looking in the wrong places for RAM... Crucial.com has 32MB EDO SIMMs for $42, and 16MB SIMMs for $24, with free UPS 2-day shipping. So in the case that you want 48MB, that's only $68, and if you want to go with 32MB, that's $48 US. You are probably right, however, that you can get a full system for this price... -- Aaron dman wrote: [ You probably meant to send this to the list ] On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 10:06:03AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: | Another solution is tospend a couple of bucks on more RAM. RAM is really | cheap today. The only memory that is cheap nowadays requires a modern mobo as well. I have looked into getting more RAM for that 486 -- it uses 72 pin EDO or Fast Page (I'm not really sure which) SIMMS. It also only has 2 slots. Presently it has 2 4MB SIMMS in it and to get a 32MB SIMM and a 16MB SIMM (it can only handle 48MB, I tested it at a couple of local shops) would cost close to $100 US. I could get a whole new system for that price. (Like a used 486/Pentium with memory, hard disk, case, NIC, sound) | If, by some strange chance, you use DIMMs, your in even better shape. | 128MB DIMM can be had for $25, and you only need one. Yeah, my new Duron box has 256MB PC133 RAM in it because the (new) memory was so cheap. Most of it is used for buffers/cache now and I never even hit swap! -D
Questions about XFree86 4.x
I'm running Woody and Xfree86 4.03 on a couple systems, and have a couple minor problems. Some questions on how to do a few things: 1) I installed a bunch of font packages in Woody, but X does not load them by default. I found them in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, and proceeded to add them via 'xset fp+' and 'xset fp rehash'. Though this worked, I find myself having to do this with each X login session. Is there any way to tell X, globally, to always load them? 2) Speaking of fonts, I can't get AA fonts working under KDE. Is there a package I need to install? Is it related to the following error I get when I run most KDE apps from the console: Xlib: extension RENDER missing on display localhost:0.0. _IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root 3) When I start emacs, using my trusty old .emacs file I've been keeping and maintaining for years, The colors I've selected aren't quite working right. Basically, I set the background color to black, and that works, except or where there's text. Each character taken up by something other than whitespace has a white background. I've determined it's something to do with X, as the same .emacs file works beautifully when I export the display to my Solaris box. 4) in my /etc/profile, I add the line: alias ls='ls --color -F' This works very nicely at the console, but for some reason, when I'm in X, this doesn't work in Konsole or Xterm. I have to do an: exec bash --login Each time I open up a terminal to get this working correctly. This also happens when I use 'su'. Is there any way to guarentee consistent behavior despite login method??
X won't allow display export...
I am unable to successfully export the display from one of my Debian boxen to another. I tried the following on the box I was using X on: xhost + and the following on the box I was trying to export the display from: export DISPLAY=10.1.1.33:0.0 Normally, this has worked under other distros and Unices (I have a Mandrake box and two SPARC's running Solaris 8 here), but I can't get it to work under Debian. Is there some package I've forgotten to install?? --Aaron Traas
PCMCIA Ethernet card in 2.4.6 kernel
I recently installed Potato (2.2r2) on my laptop, re-pointed my apt-sources to the 'testing' branch, and did an apt-get dist-upgrade. Everything worked 100% perfectly (after some tweaking to get X running, that is :). ANYway, there were a few features I needed that weren't compiled into the stock kernel (like APM and such), so I decided to download the latest kernel source in Woody's tree (2.4.6) and compile it. Everything seems to work now except my ethernet card. I did compile in all of the PCMCIA stuff as modules, as I don't know which driver I should use. My card is an Intel EtherExpress PRO 10/100 PCMCIA card. I really don't know what to do next. I did look at the Debian install manual, and even tried to download the pcmcia-source package (although it looks like these directions were meant exclusively for the 2.2 series kernels), and the make-kpkg modules_image failed. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to modprobe a module (no modules are running under the 2.4.6 kernel I compiled)? If so, which one? Thanks. --Aaron Traas
CD-RW Question...
I have a question... Could someone please recommend a reliable IDE/ATAPI CD-RW that works out-of-the-box with Debian? Like, something I could just plug in and start burning. Also, I'd like one that isn't too picky about different brands of media. The Ricoh in my Win98 box isn't that reliable, and doesn't like Memorex and other common brands of CD-R blanks. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. --Aaron
MySQL question
I currently have a database-driven web site up, with a PHP front end and MySQL back-end. The problem I'm having is that the login for the database is root and my root password. How do I change this? Also, I plan on having multiple web sites and thus multiple databases. Can I tie a user and password to one specific database (or set of databases) rather than giving said user access to all databases? Thanks in advance. --Aaron
Re: MySQL question
I'd like to thank everyone for answering so quickly. You guys gave me great places to start looking, and I think I have a solution. --Aaron
PhpMyAdmin and PHP4...
OK, I'd like to run PhpMyAdmin, but it seems to require PHP3 to be installed, and satisfying this dependency also requires removing PHP4. Is it safe to install and ignore the dependencies? If so, how do I tell apt-get to ignore the dependencies? Thanks! --Aaron
Question: PHP4 and Apache on Woody
Hi, I just apt-get installed Apache, and it seems to work just fine. I then installed PHP4, and apache did not seem to recognize PHP files. I've tried several extensions: .phtml, .php, ,php3, php4... none of them work. The first three act really odd... when I click on them in my browser on another machine, it treats them like a downloadable file, and prompts me to specify a download location. The 4th (.php4), however, acts totally different. It instead is just displayed in the browser as plain, preformatted text... the tags and such are visible as well. I instpected httpd.conf, and there are mentions of libph4.so, but they are all commented out. I could remove the comments and configure Apache myself the old fashioned way, but is this the correct way of doing things? Will it get stomped by future installing of software? One last question: do apache and apache-ssl use identical httpd.conf file formats? If so, would it be prudent for me to symlink them both to a common httpd.conf? Thanks in advance! --Aaron
Quick Lilo question...
I've finally got Lilo set up just how I want it, almost. I'd like a boot option that sends me straight into single user mode. Yes, I know I can just enter Linux single at the boot prompt (or something similar... I don't quite remember), but I'm lazy, and would like a boot option I can select from the boot menu. Thanks! --Aaron
Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the situation: I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions of the driver included (ng_tulip, old_tulip, tulip) in various ways. Most recently, I got one of the variants of the tulip to work by installing a clean system, and entering the following commands: insmod tulip ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 ifconfig eth0 up ping 10.1.1.1 And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the system, and configure everything I wanted. I selected the tulip driver, and it loaded. I entered the same information above, along with a default gateway and DNS server address. The install finished, and I tried to ping the same address. It timed out. I tried various things, including rmmoding the driver, and insmoding it, and redoing everything with ifconfig, but nothing works. I'd like to know what is going on here. I know for the fact the card was working just a few minutes ago. I also know that all of the cards I have work well under both Red Hat and Mandrake, which I used prior to Debian and got sick of. Also, what driver am I supposed to use for the Netgear FA311? In other distros, it uses natsemi.o, which is not present in Debian 2.2r2. Can someone tell me what is going on? Debian is an incredibly robust OS, but if it can't work with the same ethernet cards that other distros use with ease, I'm going to have to switch back. I have 4 machines I want to install Debian on, all of which are currently running Mandrake and have Tulip cards in them (one of them has 4 such cards and is being used as a router), and I can't afford to just buy 7 new NICs. Does anyone have a solution for me?
Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
I can't upgrade to the new kernel because I can't get the new kernel because I don't have a network connection. I tried downloading the network stuff from Scyld, but was unsuccessful in compiling them. I think I need the kernel-header package which is not included on my potato CD. Does Woody ship with 2.4 kernel? If so, can I just download the install floppy and try that way? Otherwise, does anyone sell Woody CD's? Thanks for your response. --Aaron Edward Kear wrote: natsemi is included in kernel 2.4.x. If you can upgrade to that, that would be best. You can download the driver for kernel 2.2.x from www.scyld.com/network/ethecard.html read www.scyld.com/network/updates.html for compiling/installation instructions. good luck On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:42:19AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the situation: I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions of the driver included (ng_tulip, old_tulip, tulip) in various ways. Most recently, I got one of the variants of the tulip to work by installing a clean system, and entering the following commands: insmod tulip ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 ifconfig eth0 up ping 10.1.1.1 And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the system, and configure everything I wanted. I selected the tulip driver, and it loaded. I entered the same information above, along with a default gateway and DNS server address. The install finished, and I tried to ping the same address. It timed out. I tried various things, including rmmoding the driver, and insmoding it, and redoing everything with ifconfig, but nothing works. I'd like to know what is going on here. I know for the fact the card was working just a few minutes ago. I also know that all of the cards I have work well under both Red Hat and Mandrake, which I used prior to Debian and got sick of. Also, what driver am I supposed to use for the Netgear FA311? In other distros, it uses natsemi.o, which is not present in Debian 2.2r2. Can someone tell me what is going on? Debian is an incredibly robust OS, but if it can't work with the same ethernet cards that other distros use with ease, I'm going to have to switch back. I have 4 machines I want to install Debian on, all of which are currently running Mandrake and have Tulip cards in them (one of them has 4 such cards and is being used as a router), and I can't afford to just buy 7 new NICs. Does anyone have a solution for me? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Etherenet card problem.
Hello, I'd like some help with a problem I'm having. I've tried to install two varients of Debian: 2.2r2 and Progeny 1.0. In both of those cases I have failed to get my ethernet card working. I have two cards laying around, a Linksis LNE100TX and a Kingston KNE110TX. Both are tulip variants. Both worked under Mandrake 7.2. Niether is working under Debian. They are both detected, the tulip module is loaded (I do know how to use modprobe and lsmod :). I am not a Linux newbie, but I'm a newbie to Debian. I have played around with other Debian boxen my friends had around, and apt-get is really cool, as is the rock-hard stability. I decided I was tired of Mandrake and RedHat, as they are both flaky, and I have NEVER manually installed an RPM upgrade without having to use --FORCE. Thanks for any help you can give me. --Aaron
