disk usage utility
I have a single partition mounted at '/'. When I run the disk usage utility, it shows That I have 66 GB remaining. Which is correct. But when I scan home it shows my home folder as 100% full. Why would my home folder be full, when my there is just one huge partition and it has plenty of empty space remaining?
Re: google drive client on debian
Of course, the official linux client from google should probably drop one of these months. Really?! Last time I had a discussion on G+ they were of the mindset that they wanted 3rd parties to develop for it, after all the toolkit was released for that purpose. Do you have a cite for this claim? I got that sense from reading a lot of articles from recent years, like this one. Maybe you have got a better sense of the project straight from the horses mouth? http://www.cnet.com/news/google-drive-for-linux-patience-patience/
Re: google drive client on debian
SyncDrive is, from what little I've read, just thin wrapper of a GUI around the GRIVE project, and built specifically fro the ubuntu repos. That's what got me thinking that it might be a good fit for debian. Of course, the official linux client from google should probably drop one of these months. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 09:58:26AM -0600, ChadDavis wrote: Has anyone had any experience, recently, with Grive or SyncDrive on Debian Wheezy? Other clients would be fine too, I'm just trying to figure out what my options are for a Google Drive client on a Debian system. ---end quoted text-- I've tried GRIVE but couldn't get it working with 2 step login that is enabled on my Google account. Haven't tried SyncDrive, heck hadn't even heard of it until now. Might just check it out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140331225648.GD27590@Jessie
google drive client on debian
Has anyone had any experience, recently, with Grive or SyncDrive on Debian Wheezy? Other clients would be fine too, I'm just trying to figure out what my options are for a Google Drive client on a Debian system.
keyboard settings clobbered
Something keeps turning off my key repeater setting. I'm not sure if that's the technical term, but pressing and holding a key doesn't do anything. I have to go into System Settings and toggle the repeat checkbox, then it works again. NOTE, it will then quit working in a short time frame, i.e. several times a day. When it quits, it's still set in to repeat in the System Settings - Keyboard settings. If I toggle it off, and then back on, it resets it to repeat. Any idea what is causing this? wheezy/gnome3.4
Re: keyboard settings clobbered
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:55 PM, ChadDavis chadmichaelda...@gmail.comwrote: Something keeps turning off my key repeater setting. I'm not sure if that's the technical term, but pressing and holding a key doesn't do anything. I have to go into System Settings and toggle the repeat checkbox, then it works again. NOTE, it will then quit working in a short time frame, i.e. several times a day. When it quits, it's still set in to repeat in the System Settings - Keyboard settings. If I toggle it off, and then back on, it resets it to repeat. Any idea what is causing this? I figured out that it's caused by my interaction with a virtual machine running in VMWare Workstation (9.x). If I click into the workstation session, and then back out. The key repeater setting is lost.
fips 140 and md5 problem
Some software that I use has a functionality to automatically update itself from the web. This update process has quit working and is complaining that MD5 is not a FIPS140 compliant algorithm. I understand that this might not be a debian issue, but perhaps it is. Is there a way to replace the MD5 with a FIPS compliant algorithm?
Re: tntnet
Unless you've already removed it, you can still check the configuration file, find the files/apps it was serving, and get a good guess at the contents, enough to decide whether you want to start the server back up to look. Or whether you might want to take other measures to make sure that your box is not under control of some unauthorized 3rd party. Not to be obnoxious, but a little paranoia is healthy. Oh, I'm paranoid . . . .
Re: tntnet
And synaptic knowing about tntnet was somewhat reassuring, because it does indicate a high probability that it was installed by someone with admin-level priviledges. Bad if it wasn't you, of course, but not bad if you're sure no one not you has been logging in as you. Did you check what it was serving? I did not. Should have ;)
Re: tntnet
When I try to remove it via synaptic, it reports that, in addition to the tntnet packages, another unchanged package will be held back and not upgraded . . . that other package is google-chrome-stable. I couldn't quite figure out why it's there though. It's not listed as a dependencie of that chrome package. Anyone know what that verbiage means? For now, I just turned the service off. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Guerilla marketing? Wish I had time to check it out. Looks kinda fun. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:55 AM, ChadDavis chadmichaelda...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed the tntnet is running on my box. I'm on wheezy. I'd like to turn it off, at the least. But I wonder why it's fired up in the first place. I didn't install it, unless by accident. How might I determine if something else is using it? apt-cache rdepends doesn't seem to indicate any package dependent on tntnet. Check your install log, see if it got installed on a day you might have been asleep at the wheel? 8-( I do that a lot, unfortunately.:-|) Or if it even got installed at all. It seems to be rather small for a web server. You might try connecting to it on the port that it's listening to, to see what it's publishing to the web. But use lynx or even telnet to start with, so that, if the worst case turns out to be the case, you can at least keep the damage from spreading. If you didn't mean telnetd. -- Joel Rees -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pk7f8jJavbDB3=6cfgphb+bgkjbgrcfk4muh1su8k0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: tntnet
It means synaptic knows of a newer version of google-chrome-stable, but since you specifically asked for removal of tntnet it won't touch it. Nothing to worry about. So, there's no connection between chrome and tntnet, it's just pointing out that while I'm doing stuff, there's this other package that could be upgraded but I'm not going to . . . ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pneP-uRyo6jXeJ=DL=o9jvagst4gwhrucqxgsepn+t...@mail.gmail.com
tntnet
I've noticed the tntnet is running on my box. I'm on wheezy. I'd like to turn it off, at the least. But I wonder why it's fired up in the first place. I didn't install it, unless by accident. How might I determine if something else is using it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cabf62pm64d_ktxwpdry90obldsxssskvxrehpnqn+uob0u8...@mail.gmail.com
rpm
I'm doing some software development that uses RPM packages. I would like to have RPM installed on my debian system for trivial and development only usage. In other words, I don't really plan to manage my system with it at all; i just want to use it for my dev purposes. My question is whether this is a problem. Will it somehow corrupt my deb system to simply install RPM and use it to play with the odd rpm package?
Re: how to properly add a dns server
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: ChadDavis wrote: Why are you overriding the nameserver? If you control the dhcp server then the better option is to have it provide the desired information there instead of having clients override it. I don't want to override it. I want to add additional nameservers that know about a domain that I need to resolve. It doesn't work that way. Nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf are tried in order. The first one that can be contacted is the one used. If a contacted nameserver does not know about a name then it is a negative response. No other nameservers are contacted. The reason for listing up to three nameservers is that if one is offline then it will fall through to the next one. But when the first one answers then the answer it provides will be authoritative. See Ok. I believe you are correct on this behavior, i.e. if I have two DNS nameservers configured, the second one is purely a failover. In other words, if the first one can't resolve a given hostname, it does NOT then consult the second one. The second nameserver is only contacted if the first one is down. This is what I understand you to have said. And I do believe you. But when I try to resolve a hostname that I know isn't valid, it sure looks like the second one is consulted. Here's my output from nslookup on a invalid hostname. chadmichael@heraclitus:~$ nslookup chad-vm2 ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 10.110.199.20, trying next server Server: 10.110.200.85 Address: 10.110.200.85#53 ** server can't find chad-vm2: SERVFAIL Doesn't this mean that .20 said I can't resolve that hostname, and this caused a second attempt at my second nameserver .85? This contradicts what I thought you had explained. How does this all relate?
Re: vnc server
The vncserver and xvncviewer names use the Debian Alternatives system. You can read more about that here: That helps! And then people found that starting a server was inconvenient. Wouldn't it be better to export the current desktop? Instead of exporting a new, unique and different desktop? It is possible. Clarification. Are you saying that some vnc servers serve up a remote login to a new session, while others simply share an existing gnome session? Sorry I know nothing about vino. But I hope sharing the above about vnc in general was helpful. The package page says that vino is a vnc server for GNOME 2 and isn't available with GNOME 3. If you are using I'm using Gnome 3 on Wheezy and it DOES come with VINO by default. FYI.
vnc server
I'm a bit confused about what package is the vnc server that I need to run in order to remote desktop into my machine. Installed by default is a vino and it says that it is a VNC server for Gnome. But when I search about how to set up a vnc server on the internet, I keep finding vnc4server package referenced instead. Is vino a server?
how to properly add a dns server
I'm trying to add a dns server. I manually add the server to resolv.conf and then it get's blown away. Actually, I'm not even sure it works before it get's blown away. Can someone explain the moving parts for a noobie?
Re: how to properly add a dns server
Thanks Bob. This is quite helpful. I have comments and further questions inline below. Why are you overriding the nameserver? If you control the dhcp server then the better option is to have it provide the desired information there instead of having clients override it. I don't want to override it. I want to add additional nameservers that know about a domain that I need to resolve. My networking knowledge is kind of thin, but I suspect that this requirement for the other nameservers has something to do with the details of intranet segregation in our corporation . . . does that make sense? So, I only want to add them as additional lookup sources, coming after the nameservers that the DHCP client discovers as the ones suitable for my own host. Feel free to point out areas that seem that I really completely don't know what I'm talking about ;) Can someone explain the moving parts for a noobie? The dhclient negotiates with the dhcp server for host configuration information including the nameserver. It then writes this information into /etc/resolv.conf where the libc resolver library reads it and uses it. Because daemons only read /etc/resolv.conf once when they start if that file changes then any daemon that needs names must be restarted in order to read the new contents of the file. This is why running a local caching nameserver is nice because it provides one individual location for this and avoids needing to restart other randon daemons. So, just out of curiosity, what is the daemon that is consulted when my browser resolves a name? There are several easy options. 1. The most direct is to edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and override the nameserver option. See 'man dhclient.conf' for details. Something like this (untested): supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 192.168.1.1; What if I just want to add a couple on the tail of whatever dhclient discovers? I can read the docs myself . . . but if you know off hand that's its kind of whacky or something, that would be good to know. 2. Install resolvconf and use it to override the nameservers. This is the one I like the best. # apt-get install resolvconf Then edit /etc/network/interfaces. Add a line like this (untested): iface eth0 inet dhcp dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 192.168.1.1 Again, if possible, it would be nice to let dhclient do it's thing and then append the new ones.
Re: 32 bit binary doesn't execute on wheezy, works on squeeze
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser?highlight=%28debian-user%29#Multiarch Cool. The problem is that my binary in question hasn't been installed via dpkg, nor will be. So, I'm left to track down the missing libraries and install the 32 bit version by hand. Thus, apt-get install libstdc++6:i386 fixed my issues. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pny7fYs6ofVDP+vFkDNEZgjcysXvGkZ6==RMZ=ev2t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 32 bit binary doesn't execute on wheezy, works on squeeze
both of my systems are 64 bit amd. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, ChadDavis chadmichaelda...@gmail.com wrote: I have a binary file that I'm trying to execute. It works on my squeeze system but not on wheezy. the file commands gives me: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped And strace on the execution attempt gives: chadmichael@heraclitus: ~/dir$ sudo strace ./myApp.run execve(./myApp.run, [./myApp...], [/* 17 vars */]) = 0 [ Process PID=24457 runs in 32 bit mode. ] old_mmap(0xc6d000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0xc6d000) = 0xc6d000 readlink(/proc/self/exe, /dir/myApp.run.run, 4096) = 129 old_mmap(0x8048000, 1108297, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x8048000 mprotect(0x8048000, 1108294, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC) = 0 old_mmap(0x8157000, 42979, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0x10f000) = 0x8157000 mprotect(0x8157000, 42976, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0 old_mmap(0x8162000, 15736, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x8162000 brk(0x8166000) = 0x866e000 open(/lib/ld-linux.so.2, O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) _exit(127) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pnpMHrbbNXG2=ogvd2su+-zf_euo2dsyjl2cxc4fze...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 32 bit binary doesn't execute on wheezy, works on squeeze
I have a binary file that I'm trying to execute. It works on my squeeze system but not on wheezy. What is the error message? I don't see any error message. Is there a system level log that would capture something? execve(./myApp.run, [./myApp...], [/* 17 vars */]) = 0 [ Process PID=24457 runs in 32 bit mode. ] old_mmap(0xc6d000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0xc6d000) = 0xc6d000 readlink(/proc/self/exe, /dir/myApp.run.run, 4096) = 129 old_mmap(0x8048000, 1108297, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x8048000 mprotect(0x8048000, 1108294, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC) = 0 old_mmap(0x8157000, 42979, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0x10f000) = 0x8157000 mprotect(0x8157000, 42976, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0 old_mmap(0x8162000, 15736, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x8162000 brk(0x8166000) = 0x866e000 open(/lib/ld-linux.so.2, O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) _exit(127) Looks like you don't have libc6-i386 installed. However, a statically linked binary should work without it. Should that library be installed on my wheezy system? I have a vanilla install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pnOmAdx-quq1GdpU=4gsqcdzb8xutod5tvsye8rf8x...@mail.gmail.com
gnome3 broken on wheezy
After recent upgrades, my gnome3 no longer works. The system boots and I can log in to an X system, but it looks more like gnome2, than gnome3; the whole activities thing and the favorites menu is gone. Instead, I have the mutliple window changer thing in the bottom right corner. While I know many people would see this as an improvement, I actually love gnome3. So, how do I start troubleshooting this? I looked in /var/log/gdm3 logs, but couldn't see anything that lept out. There were some errors from the nvidia driver levels, but those were in older logs and, as I say, the UI works, it's just not gnome3.
Re: gnome3 broken on wheezy
So, how do I start troubleshooting this? I looked in /var/log/gdm3 logs, but couldn't see anything that lept out. There were some errors from the nvidia driver levels, but those were in older logs and, as I say, the UI works, it's just not gnome3. As you do not seem to know what has happened: You are logged into the fallback mode, also known as gnome classic. I only know of two reasons, you either (by mistake) chose this as the session in gdm when you logged in, or gnome thinks your 3D graphics support is insufficient. Excellent. I didn't know about fallback mode. It's kind of nice actually ;) I would look at the list of recently upgraded packages, anything relating to gnome or graphics drivers. Unfortunately, I do not know how to troubleshoot it. I assume it would be in some logfile, but as you did not see anything in gdm3, I do not know where you should look. Now that I know what to pursue, I can find the logs.
Re: gnome3 broken on wheezy
(EE) NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X (EE) NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If (EE) NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter problems, Please try (EE) NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. Did you reinstall the NVIDIA driver? I reinstalled and it works. But I'm not sure I understand what the issue is. Can you describe the scenario?
java alternatives
I want to see the script that installs the alternatives when the sun-java6-jdk is installed. I'm not that familiar with the .deb structure, etc. I guess it's in some lifecycle script, but I don't know where those end up. The update-alternatives man page says update-alternatives is usually called from the postinst (configure) or prerm (install) scripts in Debian packages. But where do I find those? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cabf62pkvtd_qqs0ntwswyaw2-mtebiani98jzembrp8bvrg...@mail.gmail.com
alternatives with ad hoc installation
I'm installing, by hand, a java7 distribution that doesn't exist in the repositories. Is it feasible to use the alternatives mechanism to work with ad hoc installations like this? In other words, I've installed the java 7 jdk into /usr/local/jdk1.7.0. I just want to check whether it's completely whacky, or hacky, to pursue the path of using the alternatives mechanism with something like this. For instance, maybe it only works with installed packages . . . I'm basically look for a red light or green light on the notion of investigating this solution further. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62p=irvyk7btteynetv8mbjh6hnhhsxg-mywsses73y4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: too much context switching
Anyhow, there are some good answers to the original question at http://serverfault.com/questions/14199/how-many-context-switches-is-normal-as-a-function-of-cpu-cores-or-other Thanks for the good info! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pmj1jmrdCURtxM2M2KZ-=wucvhsm8hoep827ntgg9d...@mail.gmail.com
too much context switching
I'm learning about various tools to monitor performance. I'm reading about vmstat right now, and it says that context switching, if very high, can be an indicator of misbehaving hardware . . . I'm not that interested in what it can mean, at this point, but I'm interested in what appears to be high numbers on my machine, as compared to the reading material I have. When I execute the command: vmstat 5 5 I get: procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu r b swpd free buff cache si sobibo in cs us sy id wa 2 0 0 5741808 573028 104062800 12242 53 1107 4 1 92 4 1 0 0 5747552 573036 103448800 022 14 2522 1 0 99 0 0 0 0 5747460 573060 103448800 032 18 2493 1 0 99 0 0 0 0 5747740 573096 103448800 057 72 4142 1 1 98 0 0 0 0 5747616 573144 103446800 061 20 687 1 0 99 0 Aren't those context switch number pretty high? I realize this may be all relative, but these numbers are WAY higher than I see in the reference materials, so . . . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pmUBszc6oqBG=Xc7gnNjpOBURkAO9BT_=E+=mzpvma...@mail.gmail.com
Re: too much context switching
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:02 PM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:20:18 -0600, ChadDavis wrote: I'm learning about various tools to monitor performance. I'm reading about vmstat right now, and it says that context switching, if very high, can be an indicator of misbehaving hardware Hi ChadDavis, can you post more about this vmstat and context switching please? what the material you are reading say about them? I'm interested to know. vmstat is a tool to measure computer resource usage. I'm reading about it in a book called Linux Administration Handbook. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62pnTxmG1=n77FKbZNM2NrnA=UDt5F25kXhX+eph2=yk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: too much context switching
Does the context switching means CPU switches it speed? Context switching means that the CPU has switched the process that it is executing. The context is the process's execution context, I believe, which contains it's execution stack, variables, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CABF62p=pzw6-_+soc+l-s7xw0xvfezqndyvheejuw0qeepw...@mail.gmail.com
netstat performance
I notice that the following two invocations of netstat have drastically different execution times: netstat netstat -n When you just use numerical addresses, it executes almost instantly, but with the domain names and whatever you call those logical names for the port numbers, such as 'www', it takes quite while ( 5-10 seconds). Not a big deal, but just made me think. Surely the name resolution isn't that costly is it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi==1biom+qm_ebr0jl+mmk4oaf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Request to Debian Users
There are web sites where you can purchase cd/dvd versions of the full distrobution. Google linux distros on disc. www.osdisc.com Note, if you want to download you'll have to find a good internet connection. Moreover, you'll want to download a full distrobution, not a net-install. The net install dvd image will be small, but when you run the install it will pull tons of stuff over the internet. Obviously, this won't work in a constricted bandwith. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:24 AM, ROSHAN M roshansmi...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for your mail! I have followed the link recently; the thing is I got some restriction with my net connection download and with the bandwidth. Any way thanks for your reply. Thanks Mahesh --- On *Fri, 8/20/10, Klaus Wolf kl...@linuxwolf.de* wrote: From: Klaus Wolf kl...@linuxwolf.de Subject: Re: Request to Debian Users To: ROSHAN M roshansmi...@yahoo.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 7:06 PM Hi, you may download CD-iso-file to burn your own net-installation CD with following link: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso Thanks for interesting din Debian-linux greatings and a nice day Am Freitag, den 20.08.2010, 07:42 -0700 schrieb ROSHAN M: Hi, I am Mahesh.M, like to use Debian 5.0 in my computer. I read that Debian is a Core operating system based on UNIX and also so many Linux distributions are made with the help of Debian based. I am very much interested in using Debian Operating System. Can any one help me to get a copy of Debian 5.0 for a 32 bit computer, please send me one copy to the address mentioned; Swamy Nilayam, House No: 243 Tc 27/659, Haritha Nagar, Thachakudy Line, Ambalathumuku, Vachiyoor(PO), Trivandrum, Kerala 695035 India Thank you, Mahesh -- L I N U X W O L F Klaus Wolf Dresdner Straße 3 0 8 1 3 2 Muelsen
system monitor information
I'm using the gnome-system-monitor to watch some apps and their resource usage. On the process view, it lists a %CPU column. I assume this means the percentage of the CPU that the application is currently using. THe documentation doesn't really clarify this, but seems not to contradict this interpretation. The app I'm watching frequently hits 40-60 percent CPU usage. My question is about interpreting this. I'm testing on a Core2 Duo machine. My understanding of computer architecture is not great, but not trivial. Here's what I'm thinking. If one cpu is idle, and an app gets to run, it's going to get 100% of the cpu, correct? Even if it's only executing a 100 instructions, if there's no contention for the CPU, the app will have 100% of the CPU for however small of an interval it takes to execute those instructions, correct? I'm certainly not familiar with the linux internals of my debian system enough If someone can shed some light on this, as well as pointing me towards some information and tools about how to better judge application performance, I'd appreciate it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Java lib packages
I have a why question. I'm a Java developer, and I use 100% debian for all of my development environments. I'm somewhat familiar with the debian way . . . but I'm would like some insight into the concept of java lib packages. Browsing through the lib stuff for my distribution I see that there are java lib packages for a variety of Java API/Tools ( libraries if you will ) that I am quite familiar with. For instance, the libcommons-collections-java package is something that I work with all the time. In the normal course of Java development, I just need the Jar file that contains this API in my Java classpath. When I'm using an advanced project tool, like Maven, all of these Java libraries are managed for me -- they are all kept in a local repository to eliminate all of the maintenance issues associated with managing resources that a multitude of apps might depend upon. This is my perspective on these libs. I would, then, like to understand why Debian offers a Debian package of something like the libcommons-collections-java Jar file. Any Java developers out there? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java lib packages
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 4fe4c4f50907020939v7039d33ej8056970848e03...@mail.gmail.com, ChadDavis wrote: When I'm using an advanced project tool, like Maven, all of these Java libraries are managed for me -- they are all kept in a local repository to eliminate all of the maintenance issues associated with managing resources that a multitude of apps might depend upon. This is my perspective on these libs. This is akin to having a private version of every shared library you use in your source repository that your program specifically links against. It defeats all the advantages of shared libraries, yet still has the same runtime overhead. Maybe I said something that would suggest otherwise, but this is NOT like having a private version. One of the main functions of Maven is that it keeps only a centralized copy of dependencies; truly shared libraries in other words. I understand that the Debian lib system is probably trying to achieve the same thing. What I'm not so clear on is that this is useful to a Java developer. I would be interested in hearing how people doing Java development make use of the Debian shared Java libraries. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java lib packages
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In 4fe4c4f50907021030n40b776b8h9a09ce64ecec9...@mail.gmail.com, ChadDavis wrote: I would be interested in hearing how people doing Java development make use of the Debian shared Java libraries. I don't think it is much (if any) different from a C developer making use of the Debian shared C libraries. It seems to me that one of the differences is that the C libraries are part of the linux platform, if you will, in a way that the Java libraries are not. Does that make any sense? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java lib packages
n't really favor one language over another at runtime. In any case, the lib*-java packages are not specifically for developers. They are shared dependencies of the Java applications that are part of Debian or are using the Debian build and distribution network (contrib/non- free). Java applications in main with priority optional/extra are just as much part of Debian as a C/C++ application in main with priority optional/extra. So, the lib-java stuff makes up the JRE for Java apps in Debian? So, can I say that if I install one of these libraries it will be available when I invoke java in Debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing testing from latest netinst iso
Filed an installation report...then picked up the march 1st version...it works...it realizes there is a HD attached :) I'm experiencing the same issue even with the latest nightly build of the net installer. i386, from today March 12th. When I use the Lenny installer it works fine, so I suspect it's just a bug in the installer. I will file a ticket, but I would appreciate it if someone can give me some ideas on how to get past this right now? I've tried, unsuccessfully thus far, to locate the exact info on my hard drive. I've got a Asus m70vr notebook and the specs tell me that it has a 2.5 9.5mm SATA 320GB, 5400 rpm drive. Manufacter isn't listed. Is this enough info to choose a driver from the installer's list? And, as a bonus question, is the nightly build installer the only installer that I can use to install a debian testing system? I thought there used to be a periodic release of a testing installer, and the nightly build was just an option if you needed more current hardware support. Am I imagining all of that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
bigmem kernel 2.6.24-1
When I run the bigmem version of the 2.6.24-1 kernel, my machine slows to a crawl. It does actually run, but it's shockingly slow. 5-10 minutes to boot, 5 minutes to login. Then it runs like a Windows machine after that. I don't really need to fix this because I can fall back to the normal version of the kernel, which runs great. I'm just interested in what kinds of differences there could be between the bigmem version of the kernel and the standard kernel? Is it just configuration, or is does it actually have some different parts?
Re: bigmem kernel 2.6.24-1
There was a similar email to list a few months ago. IIRC, someone had the solution. Google should find the thread. Yes. I tried to search for this. And nothing. Any search terms suggestsions, other than: debian bigmem kernel linux etc.
Re: memory recognition
I installed the bigmem kernel ( 2.6.24-1-686 ). Thought this is the same kernel version that my system has been running on, when I try to boot to the bigmem kernel, the boot process creeps along at an incredibly slow rate and appears to hang during dev assignment / configuration, though it seems that if I would have left it going for a half an hour it might have made it further. My question is simple. Am I naive to think that the bigmem version of the same kernel version would be similar enough to the standard kernel to have no issues with my hardware? On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, | Dominique H. Schramm (ML) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, ChadDavis schrieb: I have 8gb of memory, bios sees it. Lenny only sees 3.2 gb. Is there a different version of the kernel or parameter to make it see all of my memory? If you compile your kernel by hand, look at menuconfig for CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G -- Viele Grüße Dominique H. Schramm| Linux Administrator schwarz-weiss.cc| Life between PuTTy and reality ihr-linuxadmin.eu | Commercial Admin Service -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
device names
After a new lenny installation on a new motherboard, my PATA drive came up as 'sdb'. I expected hda. I don't really care, but it does lead me to wonder how these names get doled out by the system. Can someone explain, or refer me to a good explanation, of how hardware is discovered and named.
security best practice
I'd like some advice from the admins. I'm a developer who admins my own environment in a home office. I get things done, but perhaps not in the best fashion. For instance, I just installed the tomcat server via the debian repositories. By default, all of the files go in under the root ownership and group. I want my developer users to be able to access all of the various tomcat files, from logs and conf stuff to startup scripts. What is the right way of granting this access to my users?
memory recognition
I have 8gb of memory, bios sees it. Lenny only sees 3.2 gb. Is there a different version of the kernel or parameter to make it see all of my memory?
time management software
Can anybody recommend some software that tracks hours spent on tasks? I'm a software developer just looking for a simple piece of software, preferably in the debian distribution, that can do timekeeping chores for me.
bash script question
I have a simple bash scripting question. I have a tree of directories from which I would like to recursively dig into, removing source control meta-information from. In this case, the meta-data is in .svn folders. Does anyone have any elegant suggestions on how to do this?
Re: bash script question
That's great. I also saw in Unix Power Tools that you can use xargs to
similar effect?
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Martin Kraus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:27:30AM -0600, ChadDavis wrote:
I have a simple bash scripting question.
I have a tree of directories from which I would like to recursively dig
into, removing source control meta-information from. In this case, the
meta-data is in .svn folders.
Does anyone have any elegant suggestions on how to do this?
find . -name .svn -exec rm -r {} \;
Re: bash script question
Good to know. Thank. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Bob McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ChadDavis wrote: I have a simple bash scripting question. I have a tree of directories from which I would like to recursively dig into, removing source control meta-information from. In this case, the meta-data is in .svn folders. Does anyone have any elegant suggestions on how to do this? Others have mentioned the -exec rm... and pipe to xargs rm methods. These are probably the quickest way to do it. There are tools in scripting languages like Perl to accomplish similar things, but that would take more work so is only useful if you need to repeat this several times and want to be extra careful with error checking. A comment regarding -exec versus piping to xagrs is in order, though. The -exec will run the command for each instance found. So if there are 3 directories found, rm will be run 3 times. xargs tries to build up a command with as many arguments as it can fit (at least this is the case in this default use). So with the same 3 directories, you'd get one execution of rm with the three directories as arguments. For three, this is probably not significant. For hundreds or thousands, it can be a big advantage to avoid all those fork/exec calls. -- Bob McGowan
Re: bash script question
I just wonder if this is supposed to be used where 'svn export' better be. No, its the Sysdeo tomcat plugin's export WAR file feature. it doesn't, as far as I can tell, have a mechanism for filtering out things like .svn.
Re: g33 chipset support
I'm trying to figure out which version of debian I need to go with to get G33 Chipset support. I've read a couple of online things that suggest I need kernel 2.6.23, but others seem to suggest that older versions work? Does anybody have experience with this chipset and debian? In case someone else has issues . . . I think it's actually NOT the G33 chipset. I think the issue is PATA support. The G33 chipset doesn't actually support PATA itself, it's all SATA. The guys over at hardwardguys.com told me that the boards have an subsidiary chip, outside of the main chipset, to add PATA support and that this chip is the issue with Linux support. So, if you have issues, try an entirely SATA set up and give it a go.
g33 chipset support
I'm trying to figure out which version of debian I need to go with to get G33 Chipset support. I've read a couple of online things that suggest I need kernel 2.6.23, but others seem to suggest that older versions work? Does anybody have experience with this chipset and debian?
lenny net instal problem
When the kernel is uncompressing, I get an invalid compressed format (err=1) ---System halted It seems that others have had this problem due to media issues. I've tried to reburn the image and that still doesn't change anything. Does anyone have any other ideas?
Re: lenny net instal problem
I reburnt several times and finally it worked. Now I've got another issue to check out though ;) On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:39:43PM -0600, ChadDavis wrote: When the kernel is uncompressing, I get an invalid compressed format (err=1) ---System halted It seems that others have had this problem due to media issues. I've tried to reburn the image and that still doesn't change anything. Does anyone have any other ideas? Have you confirmed the checksum of the downloaded image? It could also be a hardware problem in the CD drive. some cdr's aren't reflective enough for some older players, for example. A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/9BJaIeIEqwil4YRAiAWAKCtjS0KVdxlMsLalZ3PJxHI0wCcHACg2bHe gIEIfFGi2/BNnjXxwXHxNsE= =2sk6 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
java decompiler for linux
Can any one recommend a java decompiler for linux?
Re: wrapper script issue
I'll be mulling this over, I'm sure, I can't let a good problem like this rest ;) So, hopefully sooner than later, it will get solved. I figured out the problem. To recap, I was trying to use the shebang notation to specify that ruby should be used to execute the script. Common thing. however, I had a layer of indirection, the wrapper script I had placed around ruby to set an environment variable. When the system starts it up as an interpreter to run the script in question, I think it's a fundamentally different process from the command line invocation of the wrapper script. Basically, when the system fires up the shebang specified exectuble, I don't think any params get handed in, so in this case nothing happens with my exec line - the line that fires up ruby with the file itself as the param.
Re: wrapper script issue
I'd also ask, which I forgot in my first response to your question, is this something that needs to be done for all users on your system or is it a personal script? I think the Debian policy in this case would guide you only if what you're doing is for all users of the system. If you're doing this for yourself, most UNIX/Linux users I know would create an alias or function to do it, in their own work space (~/bin, ~/.aliases, etc). I noticed that ~/bin is not on my PATH by default. Why does debian not do this? And is it a bad idea to add it to the PATH?
wrapper script issue
I've started using wrapper scripts to set environment variables that are required by individual applications, as per the debian policy manual. I've encountered a problem that seems to arise out of some difference between using the wrapper script and hitting the binary directly. It involves a ruby script, but I don't think that matters at all. Its probably just a common sense scripting thing. Here's the story. First of all, I have wrapped my ruby binary in wrapper script as just indicated. the wrapper script is called ruby1.8 and here's the contents: #!/bin/sh export RUBYOPT=rubygems exec /etc/alternatives/ruby1.8 $@ I'm trying to execute the following ruby script, matz.rb #!/usr/bin/ruby1.8 puts Hello, Matz! If I execute this script with explicit command line use of the ruby wrapper script, such as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/temp/rubyTest$ ruby1.8 matz.rb everything works fine! The problem arises when I try to take advantage of the shebang notation to invoke the ruby script with out explicit command line invocation of the ruby binary, ala: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/temp/rubyTest$ matz.rb results in: ./matz.rb: line 2: puts: command not found What am I missing here? BTW, I originally posted this to the forums.debian.net but did not receive any response. Does this count as cross posting? If so, I apologize.
Re: wrapper script issue
Then I probably am not following what you're doing. You don't show the shebang lines in this message, but I thought you wanted your application to use a custom wrapper script, and not run the packaged ruby1.8 directly. On my system /usr/bin/ruby1.8 is a binary, and not a shell script as I thought you were showing. I replaced the ruby1.8 binary, in /usr/bin, with a wrapper script that sets an environment variable and then invokes the binary, which I moved to /etc/alternatives ( perhaps not exactly the way alternatives is meant to be used, but I'm kind of a noob ) Here's the wrapper script: #!/bin/sh export RUBYOPT=rubygems exec /etc/alternatives/ruby1.8 $@ This script is at /usr/bin/ruby1.8 Let me know if I'm doing something bizarre. It's actually my effort at doing things the *right* way, so any advice would be accepted and welcomed.
Re: wrapper script issue
Putting the original executable in /etc/alternatives is not a good idea. The script you put in /usr/bin may get overwritten at some point, with a security update, but still be at version 1.8, so you'd end up without your wrapper, at least, and perhaps still running the binary you moved, without the fix. I'd also ask, which I forgot in my first response to your question, is this something that needs to be done for all users on your system or is it a personal script? I think the Debian policy in this case would guide you only if what you're doing is for all users of the system. If you're doing this for yourself, most UNIX/Linux users I know would create an alias or function to do it, in their own work space (~/bin, ~/.aliases, etc). Looks like I have more than one issue. I'd like to get this issue of the best way to create and locate the wrapper script out of the way first. From you are saying, I guess I would leave the /usr/bin/ruby1.8 alone, as installed. Then, in order to make sure that the environment variable I want set get's set every time ANYONE in the system invokes ruby, I'd make a wrapper script and place it where? In /usr/local/bin ? This seems like a great idea. I was only referring to debian policy's recommendations on how to handle the application specific environment variable with a wrapper script, not the location of the wrapper script, about which I read nothing in the policy manual. Perhaps because anyone with experience would know where to put it. Anyhow, does this scenario seem like a good idea, as far a the location of the wrapper script goes, considering i want the env variable set for all users invoking ruby?
Re: wrapper script issue
#!/bin/sh export RUBYOPT=rubygems exec /etc/alternatives/ruby1.8 $@ Do you really want to quote the argument list? I got that directly from the debian policy manual example. I didn't do it for any real reason. I'm not scripter, so I'm unaware of how this would impact stuff. I'd suggest putting your wrapper into /usr/local/bin/, or somewhere other than /usr/bin/, so that it doesn't risk colliding with packaged software. I have a /usr/bin/ruby1.8 on my system, and it's clearly not your wrapper. Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something... I did install ruby1.8 with apt, and it put the ruby1.8 binary in that location. The wrapper, as I said, is suggested by the debian policy manual as the way to set a environment variable that you want set for that application.
Re: wrapper script issue
Side bar: As i was just trying to clean up my hackish maneuvers in /usr/bin, I noticed that there are two packages installed. One is ruby and one is ruby1.8. The plain ruby seems to do little more than install a ruby link to the versioned ruby binary. Is this all it does? What do you call this kind of package? On Feb 8, 2008 4:08 PM, Bob McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob McGowan wrote: Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 02:02:30PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote: First of all, I have wrapped my ruby binary in wrapper script as just indicated. the wrapper script is called ruby1.8 and here's the elided stuff So, I guess the questions are: 1. Do you have a /usr/bin/ruby1.8 and is it a binary file (about 3336 bytes)? 2. Does /etc/alternatives/ruby1.8 exist and what type of file is it? 3. Where is your wrapper script ruby1.8 located? 4. And, if both the wrapper ruby1.8 and /usr/bin/ruby1.8 exist, in different places, and your wrapper is executable, which of the two is being found in the PATH search? So, my questions got answered, even as I was sending them. What you have, then, is this: $ matz.rb generates: /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /path/to/script/matz.rb # wrapper generates /bin/sh /usr/bin/ruby1.8 does: export variable exec /etc/alternatives/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/ruby1.8 The only place the original file gets mentioned is at the very beginning, it does not pass through to the real ruby1.8 command. So, what does ruby do when it sees a file with #!/bin/sh at the beginning, let alone the 'exec' line? I really can't say what exactly is letting things get back to the 'puts' in the original script file, what I can say is this setup looks to me like it won't work. Of course, this assumes my analysis is correct. I'll be mulling this over, I'm sure, I can't let a good problem like this rest ;) So, hopefully sooner than later, it will get solved. -- Bob McGowan Symantec, Inc.
this list is on google groups
I didn't realize that until I joined a Google Group for Rails, went to my profile page and saw that Google could quickly display every post that I'd ever made to the debian list. Kind of scarey to think that all of my posts to a list were being kept on record with out my knowing. I'm sure that the debian list had an announcement about this, but I don't read every day. Anybody else find this creepy? Makes me wonder if i should check to see if my Overly Fond of Goats list has also been made a Google Group with out me knowing. Sure wouldn't want anyone keeping tabs on those posts. BTW, this bit about goats is a complete and hopefully humorous fabrication.
Re: security concerns for home work network
You could place an old machine on the dmz port of your firewall/router (you DO have a firewall, don't you?), and copy client software to that machine, for access by your clients. I don't have a firewall software, but i have the DSL router and nothing comes through unless i port forward. I think that is just NAT, right? That works as a firewall, does it not?
security concerns for home work network
This may a bit off topic, but I am talking about a debian base network, and I sense that many of the people on this list have admin expertise. I have a small home office network. I recently set up samba and in the process realized I'm not all that honed on security issues. My concern is this, when I set up something like filesharing, I'm just doing this for the efficiency of my two person software development company; the other employee is my wife. In this environment, I generally just set things up as loose and quick as possible. My question is, am I wrong for thinking that security isn't of much concern, in regards to something like samba file sharing, for our two user network. My theory is that as long as I keep my network shutdown to outside access, everything is cool. For instance, I generally don't forward any ports from my DSL router into my local machines. On occasion I'll open 80 to let my clients do some testing. Am I right in assuming this means I don't have to tighten up something like file sharing?
Re: character encoding
Where does encoding come in to play in the handling of file names? The kernel, I assume, just sees byte sequences, right? When you interact with a terminal, or other software, you must enter a filename and hope you are matching the encoding under which the file name was created, or it won't match the byte sequence when the unterlying system call is made . . . is this an accurate description of the situation? On Dec 31, 2007 9:52 PM, Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-12-31 15:08:24 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, ChadDavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) What is the encoding of the file name? Is this a feature of the filesystem? This is also based on your locale. And this is nasty: This means that if the user changes his locales (or use different locales depending on the context), he will get buggy filenames; this is also the case with system scripts that run under the C locale. Also, different users using different locales won't easily be able to share files. Workaround 1: don't use non-ASCII characters in filenames. This may not be very user-friendly, but this is 100% compatible with everything. Workaround 2 (if ASCII isn't sufficient): always use UTF-8. But be careful about the normalization problems (NFC/NFD...). Linux can't handle that, so that you may get several files with the same name (but encoded differently) in the same directory. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
character encoding
When I run 'ls' on a given directory, some of the file names show a question mark in the place of a non-supported character. In trying to understand what is happening, I find that I don't understand a couple of fundamentals. 1) what is the default encoding of my debian system? 2) It seems that a file itself doesn't have any encoding as it is sitting on the hard drive -- its just bytes, right? when a given application picks it up, that application will try to read it as a certain encoding -- how is that determiniation made? 3) What is the encoding of the file name? Is this a feature of the filesystem? I realize these questions may not be that smart; please tell me what I'm missing if so. Also, point me to documentation if you know of some that explains all of this. I couldn't find anything on the topic searching the web or debian docs.
troubleshooting ls120 mount problems
I need some advice in troubleshooting mount problems. I've got al ls120 superdisk that I'm trying to mount. I've installed it as the secondary device on my main ide channel, behind the boot hard drive. Here's what I've got in my fstab: /dev/hdb /media/ls120 vfatrw,user,noauto 0 0 And when I try to mount, with mount /media/ls120 I get: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist So, I'm thinking the drive might be dead? Or not being recognized? How do you troubleshoot such a thing? Thanks for your help.
Re: News Flash
The actual language in the constitution states that The Congress shall have the power to ... promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; Interestingly, I've read that this legal logic here was to give the authors reason to publish their ideas. They figured that early in the birth of our country everyone was out to make money via hard work and entrepenurial sorts of endeavors. In order to prevent the arts and sciences from being neglected they tried to create a legal stance upon which they could make a living. Note, this is close on the heals of the enlightenment where most of the arts and sciences progressed at the largesse of church and monarchy. Being America, we wanted to provide a living for these artists and scientists, other wise or country would suffer. Now, its come full circle and the very thing meant to help nurture the scientific and artistic community has become soley a matter of economis and clearly hurts the communal aspect of information sharing. I actually wrote a article about this in the CACM a couple of years back. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XML editor wanted!
If you want Whizzbang, Wizard style, auto-magic crap, then why use a powerful OS? I use vim when learning a language and then usually try to find power tools ( auto-magic ) to speed up rote tasks once I know what I'm doing. From my point of view, and learning style, and obsessive compulsion to know every detail of anything I work with, I must do learning phases on tools like VIM. One of my current pet peeves are tutorials that, while introducing you to a new technology, toss in something like Maven for the build of the intorductory tutorial. However, once I know the details well, I am getting paid by the hour, so I'm not going to pass up auto-magic if I can find it. I'm quite skeptical about auto-magic in the hands of the unitiated. Which reminds me of my pique against Maven as a build in an intorduction to XXX. Maven's great for hiding the details and simplifying the build process, but you kind of need to learn the details of building most technologies if you're going to learn them. Anyhow, I vote for VIM and Eclipse+MAGIC_PLUGIN_XXX, utilized in the right manner. But that's just the way I do it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Dilbert cartoon featurng Linux
http://membres.lycos.fr/aulon/fun/dilbert.linux.gif Can someone explain the last frame? Who are those people? Has anyone seen the Unix dilbert where a crusty old, Unix guy comes up to dilbert, flips him a dime, and says,Here kid, go buy yourself a real computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: configuring? kernel and header source
Thanks for the suggestions. Actually, it was just that you have to unzip the sources after installing them. I didn't know that. Seems like the package installation would do such a thing, but I guess not. Can any C compilers work with zipped up sources; I'm a java developer so my C knowledge is a bit hazy and distant at this point. On 12/12/06, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 12:03:37 -0700, ChadDavis wrote: Hello. I'm trying to install a nvidia driver and have run into some issues with getting the installer to locate my header sources. I'm running etch if it matters. I've installed the linux-source and linux-headers packages for my kernel with apt-get. Yet, the installer still says it can't find a header file that it needs and suggest that I need to configure my source. What does this mean? Is there some configuration tasks to be done with installing source? I couldn't find any documentation of such. I have never used the nvidia installer with the Debian stock kernels, but based on my experience with my custom kernels I think that it might be sufficient to create a /usr/src/linux symlink which points to your kernel headers directory. If that does not work then you will probably have to use the --kernel-source-path option to point the installer to the correct directory. (See the nvidia README.txt and/or run the installer script with --advanced-options to get a brief explanation.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
configuring? kernel and header source
Hello. I'm trying to install a nvidia driver and have run into some issues with getting the installer to locate my header sources. I'm running etch if it matters. I've installed the linux-source and linux-headers packages for my kernel with apt-get. Yet, the installer still says it can't find a header file that it needs and suggest that I need to configure my source. What does this mean? Is there some configuration tasks to be done with installing source? I couldn't find any documentation of such. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop choice?
Don't buy an HP/Compaq. Two reasons: 1. They never perform as good as the hardware suggest. This has been my observation over several years dealing with clients who buy nothing but HP. 2. HP of late has a filthy habit of boobytrapping their notebooks to not take generic components. My nx6125, for example, will not work with any hard disc other than the 80GB Seagate (with HP firmware) that it came with. Sure you can put something else in, but it simply disables DMA making it hardly usable. This leaves you with two problems. If you run out of space, you can't put something bigger in, and b) if your disc dies after the warranty ran out, you're going to pay through your nose for a new drive. I can also not replace the wireless min-PCI card. Mine shipped with a broadcom. At the time, ndiswrapper was quite unstable, so I put an Atheros card in that I scavanged from an AP. Notebook wouln't even post - says something like Unsupported PCI device, please remove. I thought, OK, I'll buy one from HP - got an HP branded Intel 2200 card (which was listed as compatible with my notebook) - same story. Hans makes good points about the HP. However, I recently bought a nice hp laptop and installed etch without incident. Looks like, based upon Hans' insight, that I could have trouble down the road if I want to upgrade some components. Here's the main details of my machine. It was 1300$ but has a very rad processor, 2GB memory, and a 17 inch wide screen monitor. The ethernet card is didn't work with the sarge installer but worked fine with the etch net-installer. The graphics card did install but was suboptimal until I got the beta version of the driver from NVIDIA, which was a piece of cake to install. So far, the machine appears to be blazing fast and great to look at ( good monitor ). However, I am concerned about the issues that Hans raised. HP dv9000t Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo processor T7200 (2.0 GHz) 256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600 Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection intel pro 1000 ethernet card -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendation for build environment(s)
I don't know if you can use Ant. I usually work with Java but the books I've read on Ant say that there are c++ packages built for it. I do know that it is WAY faster than make. The main reason being that all of the recursive and secondary processing is done with in the JVM ( ant being java based ) while Make, at least the builds I work with, seem to start up things over and over again. It could be that my make build is horribly written ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: manual software installation
Thanks. On 11/7/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 01:47:56PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote: Well, I just found the tomcat package in debian. I didn't realize they had a current version in packages. NONETHELESS, I would still like it if someone can point me to infromation outlining the standards for software installation in the debian system. On 11/7/06, ChadDavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I want to install software that isn't in a package, what is the Debian compatible method. I mean, where do I put the executables, where do I put the installation itself, etc. To be specific, I'm installing tomcat. If someone can tell me where to find documents that specify such Debian standards, I'd appreciate it. Hi Chad, it seems you are a bit impatient. The best way to find the answers as a newbie is to at least read some of the basic documents of the distro that you are running. The debian reference is the most important as its made for Debian. If you dont spend sometime reading now, you will just need to keep asking here for every answer. One thing that builds your 'cred' in the FLOSS world is that you have at least spent some time reading /usr/share/doc, googled, read the debian reference or man page. And at that point say exactly what you read and then ask us to explain some specific point. Now for my actual answer: 1) apt-cache search SOMETHING Debian has more than 16000 pieces of software. We package everything. 2) look for un-offical debian packages. Many folks make their own debian packages even if its not in our repos. 3) look for rpms, use alien on them and then try to install them 4) look for tgz, use alien and then try to install them 5) look for source, try to compile that and then use 'checkinstall' to make a deb package. 6) look for source and hand compile it and use 'equivs'. That is a lot for understand. The main thing is that someone has to spend time gaining the info to help you. It will either be you who spends the time, it may be us who spends the time or perhapds we have spent time in the past where we learn the answer. But if you spend the time, then you learn how to find the answer, you gain the knowlege and then you ask us less. We dont mind answering questions, but prefer to be ask a question that challanges us rather then being asked a question that can be answered by reading the debian reference or looking on the debian website. Good luck on your knowlege hunt, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFUWE4v8UcC1qRZVMRAgieAJ46e7GLdycjOuCPSgOb+anbqN3caQCfc5/o YoB45DSGpfO72BCkXpAeycE= =qa5V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
manual software installation
If I want to install software that isn't in a package, what is the Debian compatible method. I mean, where do I put the executables, where do I put the installation itself, etc. To be specific, I'm installing tomcat. If someone can tell me where to find documents that specify such Debian standards, I'd appreciate it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: manual software installation
Well, I just found the tomcat package in debian. I didn't realize they had a current version in packages. NONETHELESS, I would still like it if someone can point me to infromation outlining the standards for software installation in the debian system. On 11/7/06, ChadDavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I want to install software that isn't in a package, what is the Debian compatible method. I mean, where do I put the executables, where do I put the installation itself, etc. To be specific, I'm installing tomcat. If someone can tell me where to find documents that specify such Debian standards, I'd appreciate it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
environment variables
I'm installing some software that needs the JAVA_HOME environement variables set. I read in the debian policy manual that system wide environment variables are a bad idea. I can see that. It suggests writing a wrapper script to start my program. The problem here is that you get a maintenance nightmare if you end up defining something like JAVA_HOME all over the place and then JAVA_HOME changes. Any ideas to solve this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
runlevels
Yo. I'm installing a nvidia driver, and the script says you must turn off the xserver. In order to this, since I didn't know how, I rebooted into runlevel one. Then the script complains about runlevel one not being enough. Is runlevel one more of a rescure mode than just a non-graphical mode? If so, what runlevel is non-graphical but otherwise full. OR, how do I shutdown the xserver directly? -- I could just boot into runlevel two, switch to a command line login, login and shutdown the xserver from there, couldn't I? Sort me out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel source trees
Where's my source tree? How do I get one if I don't have one? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel source trees
Thanks man. I was trying to find kernel-source, to no avail. On 11/5/06, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 10:54:31AM -0700, ChadDavis wrote: Where's my source tree? How do I get one if I don't have one? [apt-get|aptitude|whatever] install linux-source-kernelversion A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFTiUMaIeIEqwil4YRAjL0AJ4/AEU3SAoRkxuGlCxNttiEKKmXogCgrOss 48hloxphV/gugRfYR120wT0= =9FhB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what's up with all the attitude
I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around here. Have the threads I read end up in some petty bickering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xorg , xfree86?
Hey there. What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg? The docs I found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 / xorg stuff on it? Sort me out if I'm clueless. Respect.
Re: laptop install and drivers
If I go with the testing or unstable version, how unstable is the system? This is intended to be a work machine, so I can't really afford to suffer many crashes. On 11/3/06, Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On (02/11/06 13:31), ChadDavis wrote: Hey.This may be a dumb question, but . . .No :) I'm doing my first install on a laptop.I have found that I need to track down drivers for both my ethernet and wireless cards.I already found them, I think, but I am curious as to how I make them available to the install process.The install talks about inserting a floppy or something, but my laptop does .What is the standard way to make a extraneous driver available to the installer?If you have a wired ethernet connection, I wouldn't worry about thewireless card until you've completed the install.You can then have theadvantage of an x-window environment to get wireless sorted - it can be a bit tricky.If your kit is fairly recent then you may need the etch (testing) orsid(unstable) .iso.Either of those should recognise your NIC if sarge(stable) doesn't.I would use the netinst.iso which is typically less than 150Mb; once you do the basic install all the remaining packages aredownloaded off the net as you need them.Check out the fine installation manual for your architecture.RegardsClive --www.clivemenzies.co.uk ..strategies for business
laptop install and drivers
Hey. This may be a dumb question, but . . . I'm doing my first install on a laptop. I have found that I need to track down drivers for both my ethernet and wireless cards. I already found them, I think, but I am curious as to how I make them available to the install process. The install talks about inserting a floppy or something, but my laptop does not have a floppy. What is the standard way to make a extraneous driver available to the installer? Thanks,Chad
something touching my files
Hey, I am using CVS for some development work. It keeps track of whether a file has been modified by monitoring the timestamp. My time stamps keep getting renewed occasionally, which mucks up CVS. There are ZERO changes to the files at these times, but its annoying nonetheless. I wanted to check logs to find out whether I can see something happening. I know the dates of the sweeping touches of my files. What logs should I mine for activity on these dates? Also, any ideas conerning the identity of the culprit?
shared libraries
Hello, I'm installing an application, oracle's instant client actually, and I need to know where to put the shared libaries ( .so ). I'm pretty unfamiliar with development on Unix/Linux so I don't exactly know how things work. I suppose there's some sort of path variable for locating shared libariries? And I suppose there's some sort of convention for their location in the filesystem? Please inform, Chad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shared libraries
Oracle gives just gives you a zip with some executables and shared libraries in it. I guess they figure you know where to put them. I see that there's some application specific subdirectories in those shared library locations. Should I make a subdirectory, such as /usr/lib/oracleInstnatClient/, and put the shared objects in there? And then just dump the executables into /usr/bin? On 8/22/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ChadDavis wrote: Hello, I'm installing an application, oracle's instant client actually, and I need to know where to put the shared libaries ( .so ). I'm pretty unfamiliar with development on Unix/Linux so I don't exactly know how things work. I suppose there's some sort of path variable for locating shared libariries? And I suppose there's some sort of convention for their location in the filesystem? Typically, system and packaged libraries go in /usr/lib, and user installed libraries go in /usr/local/lib or /opt/lib. Certainly, though, Oracle knows this and has designed their package to put things in the proper spot. How *is* the Oracle library packaged? In a tarball (a .tar file)? A .bin file? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE64XgS9HxQb37XmcRAsIwAJwOiabnDZ4S5UnopESkwLSJIy0hfQCeI2Mk EIFqmIsN3XA+BOIHTVjYD7w= =JK/1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on board RAID chip
I have a Gigabyte mother board that has second and third IDE channels that are controlled by an onboard RAID chip. The chip is a Gigabyte deal I think. In the bios, I can configure the RAID controller to simply view the channels as IDE/ATA ( the chip only supports harddrives ). I moved my harddrive over to the second channel and tried to boot. The boot seeemed to be going okay until the root file system was mounted and then the boot hung. Here's my guesses about what is going on. 1) I assume that the bios boot processing works fine because it has nothing to do with linux, it just goes and gets the boot stuff from the harddrive. 2) the kernel is in memory becuase it was done in step one 3) when the kernel, linux itself, tries to read the harddrive ( after mounting the root file system ) it can't do it 4) my guess is that linux needs a driver to control their proprietary chip? Does this sound accurate to those more knowledgeable than myself? Please let me know if my guesses about what is happening seem on the mark. Also, please give advice on how to proceed. Chad
Re: on board RAID chip
Thanks for the info. I don't actually want to use RAID, real or otherwise, on this machine. I'm more interested in just making the system recognize the two IDE channels that the raid chip controls, and allowing me to use them for a boot harddrive. I've attached the complete output from lspci. However, I believe the following line is the one of interest: :04:06.0 Mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE 8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) On 6/12/06, Justin Piszcz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, its not a real raid, its a fake raid.Search for SATA raidlinux on google, you'll see that 95% of raid controllers are not reallyraid controllers.Certain Intel, Adataptec and 3ware are realcontrollers. All the RAID chip on the mobo does (for Windows) is make it appear as alogical volume.You're much better off using SW RAID, there may be an'ataraid' driver to support the BIOS' fakeraid chip, but I wouldn't recommend it.I'd use SW RAID1 if I were you.Also, you may want to run lspci from command line to show us what kind ofRAID you are talking about (chipset-wise).Justin.On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, ChadDavis wrote: I have a Gigabyte mother board that has second and third IDE channels that are controlled by an onboard RAID chip.The chip is a Gigabyte deal I think.In the bios, I can configure the RAID controller to simply view the channels as IDE/ATA ( the chip only supports harddrives ).I moved my harddrive over to the second channel and tried to boot.The boot seeemed to be going okay until the root file system was mounted and then the boot hung. Here's my guesses about what is going on. 1)I assume that thebios bootprocessing works fine because it has nothing to do with linux, it just goes and gets the boot stuff from the harddrive. 2)the kernel is in memory becuase it was done in step one 3)when the kernel, linux itself, tries to read the harddrive ( after mounting the root file system ) it can't do it 4)my guess is that linux needs a driver to control their proprietary chip?Does this sound accurate to those more knowledgeable than myself? Please let meknow if my guesses about what is happening seem on the mark. Also, please give advice on how to proceed. Chad On 6/12/06, Justin Piszcz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, its not a real raid, its a fake raid.Search for SATA raidlinux on google, you'll see that 95% of raid controllers are not reallyraid controllers.Certain Intel, Adataptec and 3ware are realcontrollers. All the RAID chip on the mobo does (for Windows) is make it appear as alogical volume.You're much better off using SW RAID, there may be an'ataraid' driver to support the BIOS' fakeraid chip, but I wouldn't recommend it.I'd use SW RAID1 if I were you.Also, you may want to run lspci from command line to show us what kind ofRAID you are talking about (chipset-wise).Justin.On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, ChadDavis wrote: I have a Gigabyte mother board that has second and third IDE channels that are controlled by an onboard RAID chip.The chip is a Gigabyte deal I think.In the bios, I can configure the RAID controller to simply view the channels as IDE/ATA ( the chip only supports harddrives ).I moved my harddrive over to the second channel and tried to boot.The boot seeemed to be going okay until the root file system was mounted and then the boot hung. Here's my guesses about what is going on. 1)I assume that thebios bootprocessing works fine because it has nothing to do with linux, it just goes and gets the boot stuff from the harddrive. 2)the kernel is in memory becuase it was done in step one 3)when the kernel, linux itself, tries to read the harddrive ( after mounting the root file system ) it can't do it 4)my guess is that linux needs a driver to control their proprietary chip?Does this sound accurate to those more knowledgeable than myself? Please let meknow if my guesses about what is happening seem on the mark. Also, please give advice on how to proceed. Chad :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 915G/P/GV/GL/PL/910GL Processor to I /O Controller (rev 04) :00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 915G/P/GV/GL/PL/910GL PCI Express Roo t Port (rev 04) :00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High De finition Audio Controller (rev 03) :00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) P CI Express Port 1 (rev 03) :00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) P CI Express Port 4 (rev 03) :00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Famil y) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03) :00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Famil y) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03) :00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Famil y) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03) :00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Famil y) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) :00
gnome stones
Can some one tell me how to get past the level where the green goo is spreading and there aren't enough diamonds to satisfy your requirement? This is on the atari caves.
default group ownership of a file
Hello. I need to know how the group ownership of a file is decided in debian. Also, is it the same for all linux systems?
win-axe clones
Does anyone know of an open source software that does something similar to Win-axe?
Re: email servers
GH, But there may other programs running that try to send mail, like cron, for example. You would have to take care that sending mail from such programs will work. So this means that a local MTA is a core functional part of a unix system, I mean if something like cron wants to use it? So the postfix that is set up by default on debian serves this role. Does cron talk to the MTA with the SMTP port? Chad On 4/3/06, listrcv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ChadDavis wrote: an incoming mail server and an outgoing mail server.This means that it must listen on some port to receive email from the outside world ( this is port 25?, SMTP ).And it means that it must listen on some internal port, or scan some local directories, for mail to send out to the outside world; how does this work?The MTA can also listen on the SMTP port for sending mail from the localhost to others. There are also other ways to handle that. Depending on whether you consider IMAP or POP3 daemons as part of theMTA or not, since they would listen on the appropriate ports, the MTAwould or would not. ron's text So, if you want to send emails from box to box (and, of course, internally) on your LAN, install an MTA on each machine.They will have to be configured so that LAN traffic stays on the LAN and internet mail is sent to your ISP's smtp server. /ron's text I'm kind of confused as to why there would be a MTA on each machine.This probably relates to the confusion related above though.Why couldn't I just have the one machine with postfix, which exposed its services to the rest of my machines?It depends on the capabilities of the MUAs you are planning to use. Ifthey are able to talk to a MTA via SMTP, you can set up one machine as amail server for all.There seems to be something called 'nullmailer' to provide that functionality without having to use a full-featured MTA.GH
Re: email servers
Matthew,And sendmail is an MTA? Sendmail hands it off to postfix? If so, then does Postfix, as the default MTA for the debian system, even run an SMTP port service?Chad On 4/3/06, Matthew R. Dempsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:28:58AM -0600, ChadDavis wrote: Does cron talk to the MTA with the SMTP port?No, it pipes messages to /usr/sbin/sendmail.--To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: email servers
Ron, Thanks for the clear descriptions. I have a couple of questions though. First of all, can you confirm whether the following understanding I now have is off target or not. I understand, now, that postfix is both an incoming mail server and an outgoing mail server. This means that it must listen on some port to receive email from the outside world ( this is port 25?, SMTP ). And it means that it must listen on some internal port, or scan some local directories, for mail to send out to the outside world; how does this work? I think I'm confused on the outgoing and ingoing service exposure methods. Can you please clarify this for me? ron's text So, if you want to send emails from box to box (and, of course, internally) on your LAN, install an MTA on each machine.They will have to be configured so that LAN traffic stays on the LAN and internet mail is sent to your ISP's smtp server./ron's text I'm kind of confused as to why there would be a MTA on each machine. This probably relates to the confusion related above though. Why couldn't I just have the one machine with postfix, which exposed its services to the rest of my machines? Thanks Ron, ChadOn 3/30/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 14:01 -0700, ChadDavis wrote: Hello. I'm pretty unfamiliar with email servers.I need to install a server in my local network to use for development of another application.I just need a mail server available for the appli- cation.I read some of the online documentation and became a bit confused about what constitutes a server. Postfix is on the system.What does it do?I don't think it has anything to do with my email client, correct?My email client talks to my ISP's POP server for incoming mail, and my ISP's SMTP server for outgoing mail.It seems like what I need is a SMTP server locally. Is the postfix such a thing?If not, what is an easy one to install.The MTA (Mail Transport Agent) move mail around from place toplace.Examples are:SendmailqmailpostfixeximExchange ServerMUA (Mail User Agent) is the client.Examples are: Netscape MailThunderbirdOutlook (Express)/ExchangeEvolutionPOP (Post Office Protocol) does exactly that.It emulatesPost Office Boxes: just as the postal employee puts mail in your PO Box, where it waits until you pick it up, so the MTAputs mail in your box where it waits until your MUA fetchesit.IMAP (Internet Mail Access Protocol) is a server-side alternativeto storing emails on your PC.You read the email using an MUA, but the email stays on the server.Best for companies and tra-velers.Examples are:cyrus-imapcourier-imapdovecot-imapuw-imapExchange ServerSo, if you want to send emails from box to box (and, of course, internally) on your LAN, install an MTA on each machine.Theywill have to be configured so that LAN traffic stays on the LANand internet mail is sent to your ISP's smtp server.I recommend fetchmail (a remote mail retrieval and forwarding util- ity) to get users' POP mail from the ISP and give it to your MTA,which then gives it to your IMAP server.Thus, all mail stays onone box, making Sarbanes-Oxley, your Auditors and your users (whenthey yell Find that critical email I blithely deleted last week!! very happy.---Ron Johnson, Jr.Jefferson, LA USAA man can't be too careful in the choice of his enemies.Oscar Wilde --To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
email servers
Hello. I'm pretty unfamiliar with email servers. I need to install a server in my local network to use for development of another application. I just need a mail server available for the application. I read some of the online documentation and became a bit confused about what constitutes a server. Postfix is on the system. What does it do? I don't think it has anything to do with my email client, correct? My email client talks to my ISP's POP server for incoming mail, and my ISP's SMTP server for outgoing mail. It seems like what I need is a SMTP server locally. Is the postfix such a thing? If not, what is an easy one to install. Thanks, Chad
