(Bruce's New Venture (Was Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses)
Jens, I know just the right guy to do this...our soon to be departed project leader. Didn't he mention doing something similar as part of his life-after-project-leader? Something about taking service calls and stripping out company details, then providing that back to the Debian community. Maybe he can start procticing on the Debian-user archives :-) kevin On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: > Man, this problem has come up on this list how many times now? > Hoow! (I'm not frustrated at you Marcelo.) Isn't it time we > had a decent search engine on the debian-user archives or some help > database that people could look into? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NE clone
How about joe? Don't know anything about Norton Editor, but I've heard some oldtimers say joe is like Wordstar was. Does that ring any bells? Joe seems to me to be somewhat like pico, but with more features (?). hth .kevin On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Bob Nielsen wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Pablo Ares Gastesi wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > does any one know about a clone for Norton Editor (the same way > > Midnight Commander looks like Norton Commander) ? I have a bunch of > > users who do not change to LINUX just because they are used to NE. > > Although it is somewhat different, pico is much more like NE than vi, > emacs, etc. > > > Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Where is the Local Guide to Latex?
IIRC there is a TeTeX HOWTO that says it is meant to fill in some of the information thats supposed to be in the often non-existent local guide. Of course it can't supply info on where all the files are stashed on your local system, but I, like Dale, am about to set off down the Latex path and I found it informative. kevin On 13 Nov 1997, H Huang wrote: > >>"Drake" == Drake Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Drake> On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > >> I have finally decided to learn Latex, so I bought Leslie > >> Lamport's book and started reading ... but the first suggestion > >> has been difficult to deal with. He suggests that there is a Local > >> Guide to Latex that I should read to find out how to use the local > >> implimentation, like how to go from a .tex document to the > >> printer. > > Drake>I've never seen such a file on any system with Latex. > > I saw one on our campus' workstations. The file name is local.tex. But > obviously there's no file by this name in the Debian's tetex > distribution. > > Drake>The impression I've gotten is that the sysadmin (you) has > Drake>to write it. > > Yeah. This file is usually provided by the sysadmins, based on a > sample version by Leslie Lamport. Here is what the cover page of our > local guide looks like: > >Using LaTex on the Berkeley Software Warehouse > > Ethan Munson >based on a sample verion by > Leslie Lamport > > > The document basically contains some very basic stuff, such as how to > process .tex, and create the .dvi and .ps, how to preview and print, > just as Joost said. Then there's some introduction to document styles, > fonts, etc. Obviously, it is not that important that you cannot miss > it to learn Latex. So don't worry about this if you can't find one. > > -- > > __ ___ __ > ___ / / /__ / / / > __ /_/ /__ /_/ / > _ __ / _ __ / > /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: starting xdm
Will, Don't know about KDE, but. I believe an appropriate entry in /etc/rc5.d is where the debian package of xdm installs itself (I have an S99xdm entry there). IIRC the debian package postinstall asks you if you'd like to log directly into xdm. It's a symbolic link to /etc/init.d/xdm. That seems in turn to point to a binary (/usr/bin/X11/xdm) and a config file /etc/X11/config. I lost the audit trail after that. IIRC the debian package postinstall asks you if you'd like to log directly into X. I answered yes, then had to modify that config file to not start xdm when I broke my X-server. My recommendation: don't do this if your X-server is broken :-) hth, kevin On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Will Lowe wrote: > I'd like my system to come up running xdm or kdm. What is the proper > place to do this? Right now I'm just logging in and doing "sudo kdm", > but I've a feeling that there's probably a correct runlevel or something > to do this in. > > Will > > > -- > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | > -- > | You say "Love is a temple. Love the higher law."| > | You ask me to enter, but then you make me crawl.| > | And I can't be holding on to what you got | > |When all you got is hurt. | > -- > > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Accel-X and Debian
Don't know about your card, but Accelerated X has been working well for me since v1.2. I wouldn't say I've ever stressed it either, but its done well for me on cards which weren't well supported under XFree86. kevin On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Will Lowe wrote: > I'm thinking about switching to Accelerated X, because it has better > support for my Diamond 3d 3000 4meg card. I ran the 4.1 demo and it > seemed ok (other than that I needed to install libtermcap.so.2 to get the > install process to work). > > I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience running it for a long > time, and if it's given them any trouble, etc... > > Will > > > -- > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | > -- > | You say "Love is a temple. Love the higher law."| > | You ask me to enter, but then you make me crawl.| > | And I can't be holding on to what you got | > |When all you got is hurt. | > -- > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
Dave, I can appreciate the fact that you don't like Bruce's handling of the project. I do like the job that Bruce is doing, however. I'll stick with Bruce until the normal time for succession comes, and probably even after that. But please, by all means continue with your plan to release an alternate distribution. It should be an interesting product. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape for Linux
Don't know the exact answer, but you can go to http://www.redhat.com and on their main page they have a blurb about Netscape for Linux. In that blurb they have instructions about how to get it from Netscape. If my memory serves me right, the info is not Redhat specific, and should be valid for us Debian users too. hth kevin On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Chuma Agbodike wrote: > Where can I download a free copy of Netscape Communicator or just > netscape > for LINUX ? I can't seem to find it at netscape. > > Chuma > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Upgrading ghostscript?
Since Debian maintainers are being faced with this dilemma across the board, users should probably do as has been described many times on this list and install libc6 following the mini-howto. Or become friends with alien, rpm, and RedHat's (and sunsite no doubt) contrib directory to continue updating their Debian 1.3 with RedHat libc5 compatible binaries (They seem to have a lot of newer contrib/non-free type stuff compiled for libc5, but I may be mistaken. However it is true for gs-Aladdin, though it goes by a different name in RedHat land--just gs I think). Or compile libc5 binaries from source. Still, bless you Marco! I haven't gotten around to employing any of the above options. And I do need an updated gs-Aladdin sorely. Thanks so much. On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Marco Pistore wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > > It's too bad that the libc6 upgrade is leaving users out in the cold for so > > long... --snipped-- > Hi, > > i am the maintainer of gs-aladdin. I understand that a libc5 version of > gs-aladdin 5.03 is urgently required. Unfortulnately it is quite difficult > (at least for me) to produce it working on a libc6 system. > This week-end i went home and installed Debian 1.3 on my old computer, > so i was able to obtain a libc5 gs-aladdin 5.03! (I'll upload it > this night). > > I am sorry for the delay of my answer, but i did not read the > mail since Friday. Hopefully the new version will solve your problems... > > Thank you, > > Marco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: samba security -- more info?
Just don't expect to find and update your samba package with dselect. :-(
Usde dpkg instead.
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, joost witteveen wrote:
> > Dear Folks,
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> > If you know about the samba security problem, could you please send me
> > as soon as possible a pointer to more information, or to the (source)
> > patch or fix?
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> The fixed package is in bo-updates, on a (recent) mirror near you.
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Re: making a menu with lilo
Haven't seen an answer to this one, so I'll give it a try. When you press tab during the boot process you will get a list of bootable kernels/OSes. Is that what you want? There ought to be a way to hack lilo.cfg to make it happen by default, but I don't know it. HTH Kevin On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Jason Killen wrote: > > Can anyone give me some help with setting up lilo to give the user a menu > at boot. I've never set up a machine to do more than boot linux and the > man pages haven't helped much. > -- > Jason Killen Question Stupidity >Friends of Sinn Fein, > 510 C Street, NE >Washington, DC 20002 >Tel: +1-202-547-8883 * Fax +1-202-547-7889 > > Monolith : That funny looking guy talking to himself in the back of class > PGP fingerprint = 64 71 48 14 31 AE C6 70 E4 4F 64 EB 3B AA 00 6B > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.wcu.edu/~jkillen > > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XServers and P9100 chipset
Don't know how much thos S3 cards Joost wrote about cost, but it may be more cost effective to buy AxxeleratedX from Xi Graphics ($99, www.xig.com). It does support your card/chipset and you can download a demo before buying to make sure (times out after 10 mins). Install was a piece of cake, and it works great with my Alliance ProMotion 6422 that was for the longest time unsupported by XFree and lately only somewhat supported (and I'm too clueless to be of much help to the XFree developers). One caveat. If you're using XFree 3.3 (you still need it, you just don't need the XFree Server) you will have to ungzip your font directories and then compress them (optional) as recent list traffic suggests. Xi may have directions for doing this on their website. Kevin On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Joost_Kooij wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Russ Cook wrote: > > > I'm a brand new Linux user, still installing/configuring Debian 1.3.1. > > I have a Diamond Viper SE PCI video card with the P9100 chipset. I tried > > installing the XServer_P9000 (I'm not at my machine and don't have the > > precise name) first, but couldn't get it to work. Reading the Readme, I > > found out that it does not support the P9100 chipset. > > Does anyone use the same video card I have? > > Probably not with xfree86, as the readme says. > > > What XServer have you found to work? > > The cards that are supported are mentioned in the release notes for > xfree86 3.3(.1). > > > Can you give hints to set it up? > > Yes, join the xfree86 development team ;-) > > Get a S3 trio or S3 virge card, those are cheap and well-supported. > > Good luck, > > > Joost > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
AcceleratedX and xfs
That's nice to know. Maybe I should tell Xi Graphics support about this solution. As a commercial server, I can't say for sure they'd feel bound to honor a "standard" call. Maybe I've lived too long in an M$ dominated world. All I can say is they didn't suggest it to me when I asked them how to make their product interact properly with XFree86 3.3. I had no previous knowledge of xfs. If I get brave, I'll give it a try...naah, my setup isn't broke so I'd better not try to fix it :-). On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: > > > You didn't say (and I can't figure out from your error messages) whether > > or not you are using AcceleratedX. If so, you need to go into all of > > your font directories and gunzip the fonts, then ncompress them if you > > have it, then do the mkfontdir step. AcceleratedX can't do gzipped > > fonts, but it does understand compressed fonts. If this is your problem, > > I can forward you a message from Xi Graphics support that gives you the > > step by step details. > > But that doesn't matter if you use xfs for the fonts. Just configure xfs, > set the FontPath of the X server to "tcp/localhost:7100" and you're all > set. Then xfs will handle the fonts (gzipped or not) and the X server uses > a standard protocol to ask xfs for them. > > Remco > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stable means not-changing?
Points well taken. Don't know what got into me this morning! On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > According to Civ Kevin F. Havener: > > > > You would think, at least in the case of bash, a bash 2.01 (or whatever) > > would be compiled against libc5 and put in the bo-updates tree. This > > orphaning of the 1.3 tree sorta ticks me off. Since the kernel fiasco > > (2.0.30) had already occurred for the very same reason, and since we've > > gone through the new version naming upheaval to accomodate CD > > manufacturers and otherwise promote commercialization of the > > distribution, it's disheartening to see the mad rush to release debian > > 2.0. It seems to me they ought to try to wait for 2.0 until Linus thinks a > > 2.2.x kernel is ready. (Of course, since I don't follow the kernel > > development, the debian developers probably know something I don't.) I see > > a real possibility that the stable Debian distribution is going to be > > quite unstable in the coming year+, so I'd like a rock solid 1.3 point of > > departure. > > Why not not installing libc6 coexisting with libc5, as described by Scott > Ellis´ Mini-Howto which is weekly (?) posted on this list. It proved to > be painless for me and has bash-2.01. It is a rather small step, making > my system in no way "unstable". > > I can understand the developers, that - once they decided to make the > big move to libc6 - see no possibilty to maintain two versions of the same > package. This has nothing to with "commercialization" or a "mad rush". > Are you a volunteer? If not, then please be a little more calm... > > Bye kws > > P.S. Is it safe to install slang0.99.38_0.99.38-2.6.deb from hamm > coexisting with the libc5 version? Is slang0.99.34_0.99.38-2.6.deb (from > hamm) still libc5? It should be mentioned in the Mini-Howto. > > -- > O##OO##O O##O O##O > ==The famous "Schwebebahn"AA==suspension==AA===AA===railway===AA > Dr. Karl-Wilhelm Schulte AA AA AA AA > Bergische Univ.-GH/HRZ ,__AA__AA___AA_AA___. > Gaussstr. 20 | || || || |X| |X| || || || | > D-42097 Wuppertal | || || || |X| |X| || || || | > Tel 0202/4392807,Fax -2910 |_|| ||___|| |X|_|X| ||___|| ||_| > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | |X X| | | | | >`==+=+=+=+X===X+=+=+=+==' > > > > > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
You didn't say (and I can't figure out from your error messages) whether or not you are using AcceleratedX. If so, you need to go into all of your font directories and gunzip the fonts, then ncompress them if you have it, then do the mkfontdir step. AcceleratedX can't do gzipped fonts, but it does understand compressed fonts. If this is your problem, I can forward you a message from Xi Graphics support that gives you the step by step details. Kevin On 25 Sep 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: > According to Steve Hsieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I encountered the same problem. Doing a > > > > mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* > > > > seems to fix the problem for Xfree servers; it still doesn't work after > > that for AcceleratedX though. > > Thanks a lot for the hint. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. :-( > > I still get these error messages: (this time all of them) > XFree86 Version 3.3 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > Release Date: Jun 2 1997 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > Operating System: Linux 2.0.21 i486 [ELF] > Configured drivers: > Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) > (using VT number 4) > > XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" > (**) XKB: model: "pc102" > (**) XKB: layout: "de" > (**) XKB: variant: "nodeadkeys" > (**) Mouse: type: MouseMan, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 > (**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo" > (**) Mach64: Monitor ID: "MAG-MX17S" > (**) FontPath set to "tcp/localhost:7100" > (--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 GX rev 3, Aperture @ 0xfa00, Sparse I/O @ 0x02ec > (--) Mach64: card type: PCI > (--) Mach64: Memory type: 5 > (--) Mach64: Clock type: ATI18818-1/ICS2595 > (--) Mach64: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 135.000 MHz > (**) Mach64: Mode "1152x864": mode clock = 92.000 > (**) Mach64: Mode "1024x768": mode clock = 85.000 > (**) Mach64: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 50.000 > (**) Mach64: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 31.500 > (**) Mach64: Mode "1280x1024": mode clock = 80.000 > (**) Mach64: Virtual resolution: 1280x1024 > (--) Mach64: videoram: 4096k > (--) Mach64: Using hardware cursor > (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xfa00 > (--) Mach64: Ramdac is ATI68860 Rev C > (**) Mach64: Color weight: 565 > (--) Mach64: Pixmap cache: 1 256x256 slots, 2 128x128 slots, 8 64x64 slots > (--) Mach64: Font cache: 16 fonts > > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > the full server output, not just the last messages > > _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 > giving up. > xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server > xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. > > Please, please someone help me. It is so frustrating to work on > the text console only. > > TALIA, > Andy. > > Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl > PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 > o _ _ _ > - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) > --- _`\<,__`\<,__>(_) (_)/<_\_| \ _|/' \/ > -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ > ~~~ > > Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl > PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 > o _ _ _ > - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) > --- _`\<,__`\<,__>(_) (_)/<_\_| \ _|/' \/ > -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ > ~~~ > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stable means not-changing?
You would think, at least in the case of bash, a bash 2.01 (or whatever) would be compiled against libc5 and put in the bo-updates tree. This orphaning of the 1.3 tree sorta ticks me off. Since the kernel fiasco (2.0.30) had already occurred for the very same reason, and since we've gone through the new version naming upheaval to accomodate CD manufacturers and otherwise promote commercialization of the distribution, it's disheartening to see the mad rush to release debian 2.0. It seems to me they ought to try to wait for 2.0 until Linus thinks a 2.2.x kernel is ready. (Of course, since I don't follow the kernel development, the debian developers probably know something I don't.) I see a real possibility that the stable Debian distribution is going to be quite unstable in the coming year+, so I'd like a rock solid 1.3 point of departure. On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, George Bonser wrote: > > On 25-Sep-97 Pete Harlan wrote: > >> For the most part, it means "non-changing". While it would be nice to > >> fix each package with a problem, doing so always runs the risk of breaking > >> other packages on the system. Verifying the integrity of the system as a > > > >Perhaps this has been taken a little too much to heart; I keep > >updating my system thinking one or two packages must have had some > >fixes (security being my major concern), but nothing's changed. It's > >better than having a lot of minor Foo-23.deb --> Foo-24.deb updates, > >but gives the impression that "stable" means "abandoned". > > > >E.g. bash-2.0, which was found to be buggy almost immediately > >(granted, not with a security issue, but it broke other packages). > >Under 1.1 and 1.2 these things were fixed right away, which led me to > >think that security issues would be address equally quickly; 1.3.1 > >makes a person wonder. > > I think these things ARE being fixed but the fixes are being compiled against > libc6 and the new packages are going into unstable. At this point, you are > probably closer to the truth than you know when you call 1.3 "abandoned". It > is > actually libc5 that is abandoned. > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Printer Advice: HP 870C or Epson Stylus 800
I'm contemplating buying one of the two subject printers. Has anyone out there used either of these two printers under Linux? Easy to use under Linux is the key criteria. Color printing is "nice to have" but most of my important printing needs are black and white. Will use ghostscript. Epson has optional postscript. Anyone know what this is? Appears to be software (like ghostscript) that emulates postscript. Is it OS dependent as I suspect (resides on my computer) or is it actually installed into the printer? Any clues you can give me are appreciated. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Version Numbers Was: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
I concur. The next release of the stable tree should be called 1.3 Revision 2, not 1.3.1 Revision 1. What problem has this solved for CD retailers? Will they still be bummed when 1.3 Revision X+1 is released and they just got 1.3 Revision X on the shelves? Did it make any difference that it was called 1.3 Revision X instead of 1.3.X? I think not. The whole idea of appeasing marketing types seems ill-advised. They just need to learn when to pick a release to burn for retail distribution. If I were doing it, I'd never pick an X.Y.0 version. If Debian were still using the business practice of the 1.2 release: just release the fixes whenever they're deemed suitable (and re-release them if necessary) the marketing types wouldn't have this problem. Instead, by bundling and holding the patches for further testing and releasing them as unit, we now have a meaningful minor revision number and a major headache! I still like the new practice better, I just don't think the name change is going to allow the marketeers to fool themselves for very long :-). .kevin On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Anand Kumria wrote: > > 1.3.1 != 1.3.1 Revision 1. > > > > The latter is the first revision of the former. > > That is not what I what I was saynig. > > bash$ cat /etc/debian_version > 1.3 > bash$ > > So I am running Debian version 1.3 - and yet the CD says Debian 1.3.1 . My > conclusion is that I am running Debian 1.3 Revision (PatchLevel) 1 - which > would explain why the CD says Debian 1.3.1 > > I understand the commercial reason behind wanting a slower number: but > Debian already has that -- the current version of Debian is 1.3 . I don't > understand why you want to have two revision numbers. > > Anand. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: A very simple question
I'll take a crack at this one since I've asked and received an answer to the very same question. I use a two-line prompt that tells me who I'm logged on as and at what machine on the first line and what is the full path to the current directory. Put this in your ~/.bash_profile or in /etc/profile (for system-wide default): PS1='<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n<`pwd`>\$ ' Notes: I prefer to use <...> to delineate prompt characters from the rest of the line, use what you like. The \n is a new line. Some prefer to use the \w method of getting their current directory. I don't like it for the simple fact that it truncates your home directory to ~. I like to see "$ " vice "<~/myuserid>$ " on the second line of my prompt. I also think I've experienced other trouble with \w but I forget what it was. You can try it instead of `pwd` above and see which you like best. (Pay attention to the direction of the single quotes!) On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote: > > I hate to say this but man bash and read the section about prompts. It > goes in your ~/.bash_profile > > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Could someone tell me how to setup my linux prompt to display what directory > > I am in? > > > > > > -- > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > > > > > George Bonser > > Tommy Lasorda for baseball commissioner! > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: splitting up the debian-user mailing list
Bruce, You may want to consider just arbitrarily splitting the list into (say) three. The current range of topics would remain the same but the volume may go down 1/2 or more (approaching 2/3 asymptotically :-)). Some list honcho(s) could summarize periodically and post to a debian news (one-way) list that went out to the subscribers to all three lists. Maybe over time, the lists would develop their own identity--the newbies may prefer one list or another, etc. just a thought .kevin On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > Paul, > > I agree that we've had this argument before. What has changed between then > and now is that the number of postings has become 2 to 4 times what it was > before. I'm hoping that I can bring some clarity to various lists by > splitting them up. > > Thanks > > Bruce > -- > Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? > Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html > Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: gzipped fonts..
They were previously compressed (*.Z). Now the XFree group uses the gnu compression tool (gzip/*.gz). The compress algorithm has some copyright/distribution problems--gzip doesn't. The choice is made by the XFree foundation, not debian, though it makes better sense for debian, too. Yes this did cause some problems for my commercial X-server (AX 3.1). I had to gunzip all the fonts in each directory, and since my debian system doesn't have the compress utility, I couldn't get any of the space back. Xi Graphics say they are working on a fix. On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all! > > I noticed that the majority of the X-windows fonts are gzipped. > Has this always been the case? I'd imagine that xfree86 supports > this.. but, some of the other "commercial" X-window servers may > not. Should there be some configuration option during installation > for choosing between gzipped and non-gzipped fonts? > > Richard.. > > - > Richard Dansereau > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://pobox.com/~rdanse > Electrical and Computer Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada > - > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: default fonts and the x server
Glad you were able to figure out what to do. I figured if you were reasonably competent (and I'm not) my hint may have been of some help. Just bought a copy of AX3.1. I plan to upgrade to XFree 3.3 late this week. If AX3.1 breaks I'll let you know what Xi support's official position is. :) On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Christian Balzer wrote: > Kevin wrote (edited for brevity): > > >AccelX can't do compressed fonts (.gz I think). XFree has apparently > ^^ That's true, .Z it handles well. > Not quite, I wonder if AccelX 3.1 aka AX will handle .pcf.gz files... > OK, I'm back in business now, what I had to do is: > --- > cd to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ and then to the misc, 75dpi and 100dpi subdirs > respectively. > In each subdir doing a: > gzip -d *.gz > compress *.pcf (we want _some_ compression at least ^_^) > mkfontdir > --- > > That's it. Semi-happy camper again, lost 2 hours over this... > > Dewa, > > > -- > // aka Christian Balzer, Tannenstr. 23c, D-64342 Seeheim, Germany > \X/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: +49 6257 83036, Fax/Data: +49 6257 83037 > SWB - The Software Brewery - | Team H, Germany HQ | Anime no Otaku > > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: default fonts and the x server
Guys, I've seen the answer to this recently. Don't know how current the archive is--so you may not be able to search it for the exact answer. AccelX can't do compressed fonts (.gz I think). XFree has apparently decided to start compressing them. There is a workaround and it involves something like doing 'MAKEFONTDIR' in each of the target directories. Try looking in the archives for the last two weeks of June, maybe even as recent as the first week in July--or just stand by--the poster(s) will repost. There is someone from XiGraphics on this list in fact. I assume Xi will be releasing a patch for this soon--seems to me the ball is in their court. (I'll be having the same problem soon BTW--damn, wish I'd have saved those mails) Another hint: this whole discussion I'm recalling may have occured on the caldera-users list. Check their browseable list archive at http://www.caldera.com. I know it's up to date--again check for the last three weeks. Follow the byzantine 'technical support' links till you find their search tool (search by thread). .kfh On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Christian Balzer wrote: > > Matthew wrote: > > >hello, > > > >i just updated my system (dselect) and several x-related files were > >updated, including xbase, vga & svga servers, fonts, etc. i am using > >xinside's AcceleratedX with a Matrox Mystique video card. > > > Same here, AccelX 2.1 and Matrox Millenium for the record... > > >since i updated, when i attempt startx, i get the following error > >messages: > > > >failed to set default font path (lists 4 font paths which do all exist) > > > >Fatal server error: > >could not open default font 'fixed' > > > Yup, same here, even though "fixed" exists in the alias file all nice > and well as far as I can tell... > > >any suggestions? > Yeah, I'd like to hear some, too. > I'm pretty baffled as to how it happened and pretty pissed that it did. > Using MH in the absence of exmh is a truly painfull experience. ^_^;; > > I wonder why the XFree maintainer doesn't do (eventually remote) > compatibility checks against AccelX and other add-on components, I'm sure > there a large number of users here who would be glad to help. And > equally glad to not see the symlink killed every time a new version of > XFree gets install... > > Dewa, > > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: .gz ??? what, how?
Try: zless file.name.gz (may not need the .gz) or lynx file.name.gz (not sure here either) On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, David Miles wrote: > > I need to read information in manual.txt > > when I went to the /usr/doc/lilo subdirectory, the closest filename that > resembled this was Manual.txt.gz > > This is not readable by an editor. Is there something special about the > .gz?? > > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? > e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
LILO--Dual Booting Two Linux Systems
I wnat to run a side by side comparison of two linux distributions--Debian and one other. I plan to install them on the same IDE drive under separate (monolithic) partitions. What does LILO need to recognize this set up? mbr on hda dos on hda1 swap on hda2 linux1 (/root) on hda3 linux2 (/root) on hda4 So far I can get linux to boot any number of kernels as long as they are on the same partition--the linux distro that I installed last. LILO works fine booting dos and linux, but not linux and linux. LILO doesn't recognize the hda4 partition as a place to find a valid /root. (the linux on hda3 was installed last). Pressing tab during bootup only gives me the choice of DOS and a couple of kernels on hda3 As an aside, the debian machine I'm at now has both DOS and linux partitions marked bootable. The Caldera machine (the target machine for this experiment) has only the DOS partition marked active, yet the linux installed on it boots just fine. Does it really matter? (No, I haven't tried it yet) I asked this question on the caldera list and searched using dejanews, but no luck--only some other poor schmuck like me trying to use LILO to boot two different distributions off two different SCSI drives. Is this question harder than it first appears? thanks .kfh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Any 1.3 updates yet?
I installed 1.3.0 almost as soon as it became available. I've since seen several updated packages destined for bo/stable/1.3. Yet when I point dselect at ftp.debian.org|select|update, all my packages are current. I'm reasonably sure that some of the updatated packages I've seen announced are applicable to my system, but I suppose it's possible that none of the announced updates would show up as currently installed on my system. 1. Is there some base or required package that has been updated since 1.3.0 release that should have shown up at ftp.debian.org/stable and that dselect should be picking up? 2. If so, is my dselect broke, or have the updates not been released to stable, nonfree, or contrib yet? thanks .kfh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Any 1.3 updates yet?
Thanks for the info. I think this is a good way to do business. .kfh On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: > > > > > 1. Is there some base or required package that has been updated since > > 1.3.0 release that should have shown up at ftp.debian.org/stable and that > > dselect should be picking up? > > > > 2. If so, is my dselect broke, or have the updates not been released to > > stable, nonfree, or contrib yet? > > > The packages in bo-updates are still being tested. When they have passed > the testing phase and it is time to release 1.3.1 those packages that > passed the testing phase will be moved into bo-fixed, and a new point > release will be announced. > There is nothing wrong with dselect or the ftp sites. The behavior you are > seeing is proper for the current state of the archive. > > Luck, > > Dwarf > -- > _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 > Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 > > _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bash 2.00 error in xterm
You are correct, sir!
Momentary loss of brain wave activity. It never worked under 1.14
because I just recently got a working X server. Hence I never would have
known whether it worked or not. All my VC logins *were* login
shells...duh!
Thanks to your pointers, the O'Reilly bash book, and my own /etc/profile
which I'd hacked once before I got the prompt to give me what I wanted..,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on one line and working directory on another line.
For those interested this does what I wanted: PS1='<[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>\n<`pwd`>\$'
Thanks joost (and one other helpful responder-sorry deleted your mail
before engaging my brain).
kfh
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote:
> > Question 1: since this used to work under bash 1.14, I presume it's
> > related to bash 2.00's posix compliance, but what 2.00 convention have I
> > broke? Where should I put the matching `'' to get the same functionality
> > as before?
>
> Well, I seriously doubt if this worked under bash 1.14: you're messing
> up the quotes. Eighter you want:
>
> PS1="\u\'@'\h\n\w"
>
> or you want
>
> PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>
> (I guess the latter). What you've got now is simply a unfished string.
>
> > Question 2: Why doesn't the error occur in the default xterm. After all
> > that isn't a login shell...is it?
>
> Login shells parse ~/.bash_login, non-login shells (in xterm) parse
> ~/.bash_rc.
>
>
>
> --
> joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> #!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777i $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
> lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)
> #what's this? see http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/
>
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Bash 2.00 error in xterm
I use startx to launch my xserver. A default xterm comes up with no error. However when I start a new xterm from the window manager, I get the following error: bash: /home/havenerk/.bashrc: line2: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' bash: /home/havenerk/.bashrc: line3: syntax error: unexpected end of file bash-2.00 here is my .bashrc: # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells PS1=\u\'@'\h\n\w Question 1: since this used to work under bash 1.14, I presume it's related to bash 2.00's posix compliance, but what 2.00 convention have I broke? Where should I put the matching `'' to get the same functionality as before? Question 2: Why doesn't the error occur in the default xterm. After all that isn't a login shell...is it? PS. yes I know I should read the fine manual, but it's in incomprehensible english and comprehensible english is my native language! Thanx for your quick fix suggestions kfh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Q on AccelX, does not install
I am using the (10-minute) demo on my machine until my official copy gets here. It works fine for me. Broke temporarily when I upgraded to 1.3, but a config file change put it all back in order for me. Not much help...but it may be reassuring that someone else is having some success with it. Probably some nit-noy configuration detail. Kevin P.S. I think AccelX relies on at least some XFree components being present on the system. You haven't deinstalled any XFree stuff have you? Wish my new server were here, I might be a little more help. On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: > Hi. > > I just unpacked AccelX and started Xinstall, everything works fine. > [ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/AcceleratedX/ ] > > Now when I start Xsetup or XAccel -setup it just returns to the prompt > _immediately_ - nothing's happening. > > startx says to run Xsetup... > > Did I miss anything? Is this a known problem? > > Alexander > > -- > "Video killed the radio star ... then the Shi^H^Hpice Girls killed the rest." > -- Alan Braverman > Alexander Koch - <>< - aka efraim - PGP - 0xA78FB1E9 - Munich - Germany > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
HTML in email
A sort of novice question: I read my mail with pine. Occasionally I get mail from this list and from others that has HTML markup embedded within it. What causes this? Is it the sender's mail-enabled browser's problem or is it a pine problem on the receiving end? I sometimes use a mail-enabled browser and I wouldn't want to unintentionally foist this PITA feature on anyone else. Curiously, I tried to forward a recent example of this back to this list for comment and when pine entered its edit mode--the html markup disappeared! I don't know what it would have looked like to the list recipients if I had actually forwarded it with my questions/comments. I'd appreciate anyone's insight as to what's going on. Kevin PS to Pete Templin: Lets see if this post makes it to the list--thanks for all your help by the way. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Messages window in FVWM?
I saw a potential solution to this in a two-cent tip in Linux Gazette in issue #11 or #12 I think. Check out http://www.ssc.com/lg. It may be searchable. On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, dpk wrote: > i run the command "xconsole," this is pretty much what your looking for > also... it is a read only window that displays not only my fvwm errors, > but also network errors (nis unreachable servers, etc). the path to it is: > /usr/X11R6/bin/xconsole > > i just added it to my .xinitrc so it setup automatically when i go into fvwm. > > Dennis > > = > | dpk| | > | DECS, Systems Undergrad | It is better for them to think you | > === a fool, than to open your mouth| > | work: 353.8892 | and prove it. -Mark Twain | > | page: 253.0724 | | > = > > > On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Paul J. Clegg wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone here had a quick answer as to how to set up a > > "messages" window under FVWM; this is basically a read-only xterm window > > type thing where all console messages get displayed... > > > > ...Paul > > > > ...Paul, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://megadodo.com/~cleggp/ > > 37 Briarwood Lane, Apt 4, Marlboro, MA 01752 (508) 481-2167 > >Visit the Project Galactic Guide Homepage! http://megadodo.com/ > > Check out Megadodo MUSH! telnet://megadodo.com:4242 > > > > > > -- > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux much easier to install on 68k or PPC?
I was not aware that linux ran on any apple machines. As a Mac (68040) user, I've searched around the net quite a bit. The M68k linux apparently only runs on M68k architectures except Mac (Amigas and such). I don't know if there is such a thing as an M68k apple (non-Mac). If there is, it's pretty darn old, and you're not going to get much help with it--if it even runs the M68k linux. As for PPC, Apple is supporting a port of linux to this architecture, layered over the Mach microkernel (MkLinux). The mach approach irritates linux purists to no end, but apparently MkLinux is approaching real functionality. It's at developer release 2 now, see http://www.ptf.com (Prime Time Freeware) the primary distributor of MkLinux. Can't answer the installation question, but right now intel linux, if not easier to install, will be easier to use and support--much bigger user base. In my opinion, M68k linux has just recently begun to approach intel linux functionality, and is doomed to fall behind as that architecture becomes more and more orphaned. In a nutshell, follow the advice below. Kevin On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Keith Leonard wrote: > Howdy, > > very sound advice, I'm running on an AcerAcros and you can't get much more > generic than that. with a 14" monitor and all standard IDE stuff. Nary a > problem installing Linux on this or my 'OLD' IBM laptop. Even the SB PNP16 > sound card works flawlessly ($99). Unless you absolutely need an Apple > stay away from all that high priced proprietary stuff. > > Well, that's my $0.02 worth > > On Tue, 14 Jan > 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote: > > > > "Jim" == Jim Blaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Jim> Can anyone give me non-emotional advice on whether Linux > > Jim> would install "much easier" on an apple system than on an > > Jim> intel box? > > > > Jim> If my goal is to buy a used computer that has the best shot > > Jim> of getting Linux up in a hurry, what should i get? I realize > > Jim> this could be a loaded question, but I really need to know. > > > > Since you asked for advice, here's mine: Buy an intel box consisting > > exclusively of inexpensive components. You're almost certain not to > > have any trouble. For example: standard no-name PCI motherboard with > > 256K synchronous cache, Intel or AMD Pentium-type chip (midrange Hz is > > the best bang for the buck), on-board dual port IDE controller, > > standard IDE hard drive or two (in the 1-2 Gb range, again, best bang > > for the buck), no-name S3 Trio 64 type video card with one or two Mb > > of memory, any fairly good 15" digital monitor. It's best, if you can > > hack it psychologically, to buy individual components and put your box > > together yourself. If your number one priority is to get a box up and > > running as soon as possible, this is the way to go. Don't mess with > > SCSI or any brand-name products whatsoever. If you need a CD-ROM, > > insist on an IDE/ATAPI-type, not one that connects to a special card, > > Soundblaster, SCSI bus, etc. You'll only get into trouble. You'll > > most likely get it to work eventually, but is it worth the hassle? > > > > HTH and Good Luck. > > > > -- > > Nathan L. Cutler > > Linux Enthusiast > > http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc > > > > > > -- > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Keith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Character is what you are in the dark - John Warfin > -- > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
