Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
Em 09-04-2013 11:26, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized and not taken from banana republics. I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries? The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them self. A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics". If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today, just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply speak out the truth). So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they behave in way, we call "banana republic" here. Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him? Stop spreading lies about me. I never made any claim about terrorism. Yes you did in an implicit form, like I said. You implied that muslims kill the ambassador of a foreign nation/country/society when somebody discredited their prophet. Anyone can read this. And being poor doesn't mean that there is the need to vote with bullets as it is done in those countries. I don't understand what you want to say here. Konrad Lorenz was a behavioral scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe not, He was both and I don't know which is worse when discussing human civilizations: to cite an animal behavior scientist or to cite a nazi. Much harm was already done when trying to "apply" darwinism do social sciences. but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?! I never called you a nazi. I was just pointing Konrad Lorenz's incoherence in his political life and comparing to the incoherence of your post. I know it may be painful for a german to be compared to a nazi, as may be painful to a muslin to be compared to a terrorist. It is painful to me to see the expression "banana republic" (my country was a banana republic for a long time and it still is in some sense) as a model of lack of civilization. Maybe you realize now that political correctness is important. You should respect freedom of expression This is valid for everyone, including you. I fail to see when I disregarded freedom of expression. and stop making conclusions about me or anybody else. I never took any conclusion about you. I was commenting about what you have written. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51642dec.2090...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized and not taken from banana republics. I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries? The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them self. A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics". If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today, just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply speak out the truth). So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they behave in way, we call "banana republic" here. Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/516421cf.5020...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE
Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized and not taken from banana republics. I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries? Best regards, João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5163754e.50...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: a dovecot TTY
Em 06-04-2013 12:05, Sthu Deus escreveu: Good time of the day. How do i close this feature (a dovecot TTY) for the world (got from auth. log file): localhost auth: pam_unix(dovecot:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=dovecot ruser=accounts rhost=90.177.101.18 Apparently you have dovecot imap or pop3 server installed. To confirm this, execute the command dpkg --list 'dovecot-*' If you have lines starting with ii, like ii dovecot-imapd 1:1.2.15-7secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes the corresponding package (in the case above, dovecot-imapd) is installed. If you don't need any of the dovecot services (if you don't know if you need, you don't need), then remove the packages listed above with commands like apt-get --purge remove dovecot-imapd etc. Thanks for Your time. Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5160eb09.3020...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Linking lapack and C standard library
Em 14-03-2013 08:00, Francesco Pietra escreveu: Hello May I ask how to correctly link lapack and C standard libraries with Debian amd64 wheezy? You mean how to compile a C program, linking both lapack and the standard C library to it? I suppose so in the following. Packages installed: liblapack3gf liblapack3 libblas3 libc6 libc6-dev ** You probably need liblapack-dev also, which contains the header files needed to compile our program. The code to compile makes a generic example: LIBS="-llapack -lstdc++" If it's a C program, you don't need the C++ standard library. Suppose your program is a file program.c. Try gcc -llapack -lm -o program program.c Usually you don't have to explicitly link the standard C library (because it is standard), except the math portions of it (so use the -lm switch if you are using math functions from the standard lib). thanks francesco pietra João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5141b2bf.8090...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: permissions on a Verbatim USB external drive
Em 13-03-2013 07:37, Lisi Reisz escreveu: On Tuesday 12 March 2013 18:58:16 John L. Cunningham wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 05:31:57PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: The Verbatim belongs to User, and needs to function on his box. But it cannot be written to from his box, even as root, and returns "access denied" to most files and directories that I try to copy over. What is the filesystem on the drive? Sounds like NTFS, and it's being mounted using the read-only ntfs driver. Install ntfs-3g and try mounting it with that. Thanks for the help. Sorry, I should have said. From the result of the konsole command on my desktop: /dev/sdd1 on /media/usb0 type vfat It "works" fine attached to my computer, which is running Squeeze. But it needs to work attached to its owner's computer, which is also running Squeeze. Lisi Since vfat filesystems don't hold UNIX permissions, it has to be mounted with the umask and/or uid, gid options. If it is plugged through USB and you have a mount desktop service communicating with dbus, all should be automatic. However, if User mounts it in a static configuration in fstab, at least the umask must be set. If this is the case, try an fstab line like /dev/sd?? /media/vfat vfat defaults,umask=0007,uid=User,gid=User 0 0 which grants permission for User. A more flexible configuration would be to create a special group, say fat, and add all users that need to access the disk to this group, and then configure the fstab entry with uid=root,gid=fat. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51409345.9090...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: how to give user permission to bind to a specific socket
Em 07-03-2013 05:11, Long Wind escreveu: I am writing java programs I want to bind to a socket: new DatagramSocket(95); when running it I find only root can bind that way Can I give user permission to bind that way? Usually, ports below 1024 are reserved for root use (because they are used by standard services like http, smtp, ssh etc). The linux kernel provides "posix capability" (this is the technical name) that can be given to a binary executable through the command setcap: setcap cap_net_bind_service=+ep which must be run as root, evidently. This command sets up some permissions stored in the filesystem that allow to bind to ports below 1024. Think of it as a limited form of suid bit, but giving only bind() privileges. However, you are not runing an executable binary, but bytecode in a virtual machine. I suggest that you try to set those capabilities to the java virtual machine executable. In my system, it would be setcap cap_net_bind_service=+ep /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java I don't know if the java interpreter will "drop privileges" like bash does if it is suid. It would be nice to know, though. This method has two disadvantages 1. The bind capability is not restricted to one port. 2. Any program runing in the virtual interpreter /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java will have the bind priviledges. Another way to solve this problem which does not suffer from the drawbacks above would be to make your program to bind to an unprivileged port, say, 9595, and, redirect to this port all the income in port 95. This can be done with iptables, just run as root the commands: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 95 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9595 iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 95 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9595 These commands must be rerun in each reboot, so you may want to put the in /etc/init.d/rc.local. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513866a0.7010...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Does any one know what day Wheezy will be released?
Em 05-03-2013 16:59, João Luis Meloni Assirati escreveu: Em 05-03-2013 15:30, Timothy Magee escreveu: I am about to install linux on a computer, and I want to install debian. Right now I have two computers one running Ubuntu 12 and another running Debian 4 or something. I like Debian because I can download the DVD's of the software and take it home because I don't have internet at my house. I really want a stable debian release, but I even more want Linux Kernel 3.x. I am willing to wait a few weeks but not months/years. Can anyone give me a date for when Wheezy should be released? I mostly run Wheezy on my computers now. But if you just want the kernel 3.x, you can install it from Debian backports. Just add the line deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main to your /etc/apt/sources.list and install some linux-image-3.2. Sorry, the right sources.list line is deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main Wheeze backports still does not exist of course. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5136d311.6090...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Does any one know what day Wheezy will be released?
Em 05-03-2013 15:30, Timothy Magee escreveu: I am about to install linux on a computer, and I want to install debian. Right now I have two computers one running Ubuntu 12 and another running Debian 4 or something. I like Debian because I can download the DVD's of the software and take it home because I don't have internet at my house. I really want a stable debian release, but I even more want Linux Kernel 3.x. I am willing to wait a few weeks but not months/years. Can anyone give me a date for when Wheezy should be released? I mostly run Wheezy on my computers now. But if you just want the kernel 3.x, you can install it from Debian backports. Just add the line deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main to your /etc/apt/sources.list and install some linux-image-3.2. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51364e87.80...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: debian CD repository
Em 05-03-2013 08:31, Muhammad Yousuf Khan escreveu: thanks all and specially João Luis Meloni Assirati for providing such brief instruction and advices. would please be kind enough and share me a howto for creating a mirror server for LAN. which auto sync and updates all the new packages. I have no experience in setting up a mirror, but here you can find general directions: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror.en.html João Luis.
Re: debian CD repository
Em 05-03-2013 07:27, Muhammad Yousuf Khan escreveu: i have downloaded all the Debian 6 DVDs from the repo. but as per my knowledge when i run "apt-get install" it directly go to internet how come i tell apt-get or dpkg to install it from DVDs and secondly it should ask for the correct DVD like Microsoft does. for example. if samba is placed in DVD 8 is should prompt me that insert DVD 8. same way like microsoft does. This happens because in some moment (perhaps at the installation) you configured the installation to use a network mirror for Debian packages. It is good to have network mirrors configured because they have updated software, which may not be the case for Debian or Microsoft DVDs. It may be happening two things: 1. You have both your DVDs and a network mirror configured as a source for packages, but the cdroms are outdated and apt-get prefers packages from the network as they have updated versions in relation to the packages that are in your DVDs. 2. You have only network mirrors configured as source packages. To decide which case you have, open a terminal and do the command cat /etc/apt/sources.list If this file has 6 lines starting as 'deb cdrom:', then you have situation 1. Otherwise, 2. If you have situation 1 and you want to get only packages from the DVDs, never from the network, you can do the following: first, move sources.list away: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.OLD then insert the first DVD and do the command apt-cdrom add and repeat the last command for every DVD you have. All these command mus be run as root. If you have situation 1, you can also choose to maintain the network mirrors configured as source of packages, but download newer DVDs. The newest are version 6.0.7 for Debian "stable", and then run apt-cdrom add for all of them without moving away the file sources.list. However, downloading new DVDs may not be very advantageous, because you will end up downloading a lot of packages in the DVDs that you will never use. But it can be useful if your network connection is intermittent or you will use the DVDs in a lot of computers. Situation 2 is similar. If you don't want packages from the network, then execute mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.OLD otherwise keep it. Then execute apt-cdrom add for every DVD you already have. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5135cfbd.7080...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
Em 04-03-2013 05:39, Roman V.Leon. escreveu:
On 04.03.2013 03:04, Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/3/3 4:34 PM, Roman V.Leon. wrote:
-big snip-
Why do you think you need a special driver?
Please type "/sbin/ifconfig -a" in your terminal to check whether you
have "wlan0" device or not in the list.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
/sbin/ifconfig -a
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8b:dc:30:fd
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Interrupt:18
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB) TX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB)
pan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ba:3e:86:e1:5a:91
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Well, 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9 is indeed the WiFi's NIC. So why can't I get to
the Ethernet, and why does everything I see on the Internet (when I'm in
Windows of course) say that I must obtain an Intel 3945ABG driver
because it's non-free? "...Come to me and fall on thy knees, and I will
set thee free!"
Hi again Mark,
I'm not sure why all the articles you've found require you a special
driver(though it can be a serious reason for this). But i think that
if you have wlan0 interface you do not need anything else on your
system. There are a lot of software with GUI(NetworkManager, Wicd,
...)which could help you to manage your wifi interface, but I think
you can read about it later when you find some time. To get internet
working you can use wpa_supplicant tool, it is a CLI tool, but it is
very easy. At first you should create a config-file with such content:
---
network={
ssid="home"
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
psk="very secret passphrase"
}
---
Rename this file as wpa_supplicant.conf. I think that content is more
or less clear and you can adjust these parameters according your own
needs. Then you can start your wi-fi card by command:
sudo /sbin/wpa_supplicant -cwpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0
I think the command is also easy to understand. I hope that after
these actions you'll get your wifi working till next reboot. Probably
you will need to assign an IP-address manually to your NIC.
I'd recommend you to read the man pages:
1) man wpa_supplicant
2) man wpa_supplicant.conf
And download an excellent book which you'll find here:
http://debian-handbook.info/
You can read it from time to time when you are in a public transport
and I think it will be a kind of an eye-opener for you.
Just to be recorded on the list:
There is no evidence that wireless did not work out of the box. Probably
the firmware package was not required. The network interface wlan0 was
already present and only a GUI for the wireless connection was missing.
The need to install a GUI for wireless network was probably due to the
user option to a non-standard desktop (LXDE) instead of the better
supported and more featureful Gnome and KDE. However, wireless
configuration was possible out of the box with the standard text mode
utility wpa_supplicant.
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Re: Not for me.
Em 04-03-2013 17:53, Mark Filipak escreveu: On 2013/3/4 3:44 PM, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 04-03-2013 17:09, Mark Filipak escreveu: On 2013/3/4 2:35 PM, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: So you cannot reproduce the bug, right? I didn't try, João Luis. For you, I will. No, not for me. This list is archived and new Debian users may read your postings and conclude that the GUI installer does not work or has lower quality. In fact, they may think that the whole Debian is low quality because your comments are all derogatory. After being able to install Debian with the kind and patient help of some list members, it is only fair that you contribute back giving the recipe on how to reproduce the bug or admit that it was your fault and the bug does not exist at all. It will take me an hour or two. It took much more that two man-hour to help you. This experience has brought me a realization - every problem comes with an opportunity in one of its hands, isn't that true? Oh yes, I'm sure that some people learned a lot here. Linux is not a GUI-OS. It's an X-Windows host. There's a big difference. The primary interaction with the Windows kernel is through GUIs. The primary interaction with the Linux kernel is through the command line. That's why Linux seems so hostile, and that realization should point the way to making it friendlier. Of primary importance: The first impression Linux makes during installation. How can someone who did not try the standard install tools come to that conclusion? You are simply wrong and leading others to err. João Luis. You snake. I replied to you privately and you published my reply in public. I replicated the install bug, but I'm not going to play your game. Goodbye. Just to be recorded on the list: The bug is not reproducible or does not exist. The user was able to install flawlessly a Debian system including a graphical desktop and wireless networking. Congratulations to all upstream and Debian developers, and debian-user list members. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513580dd.3030...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Not for me.
Em 04-03-2013 17:09, Mark Filipak escreveu: On 2013/3/4 2:35 PM, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: So you cannot reproduce the bug, right? I didn't try, João Luis. For you, I will. No, not for me. This list is archived and new Debian users may read your postings and conclude that the GUI installer does not work or has lower quality. In fact, they may think that the whole Debian is low quality because your comments are all derogatory. After being able to install Debian with the kind and patient help of some list members, it is only fair that you contribute back giving the recipe on how to reproduce the bug or admit that it was your fault and the bug does not exist at all. It will take me an hour or two. It took much more that two man-hour to help you. This experience has brought me a realization - every problem comes with an opportunity in one of its hands, isn't that true? Oh yes, I'm sure that some people learned a lot here. Linux is not a GUI-OS. It's an X-Windows host. There's a big difference. The primary interaction with the Windows kernel is through GUIs. The primary interaction with the Linux kernel is through the command line. That's why Linux seems so hostile, and that realization should point the way to making it friendlier. Of primary importance: The first impression Linux makes during installation. How can someone who did not try the standard install tools come to that conclusion? You are simply wrong and leading others to err. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513507c5.3020...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Not for me.
So you cannot reproduce the bug, right? Em 04-03-2013 12:59, Mark Filipak escreveu: Thank you all. I've learned a lot here. I did manage to get Debian installed, though it was through a side door that was opened by Debian Live. I'm grateful for that. I will continue to look for a Linux with which I can live. In private messages with some list members I advocated for focus testing. I now realize that this list *is* the focus test. That's too bad as I expect most of the list doesn't know or want that. Since this list is not attended by developers, I'll minimize my bandwidth load by being brief. Should anyone want my focus test conclusions regarding Debian, I'd be happy to document them, but lacking at least one request from a serious maintainer (or a developer if one should emerge), I'll not waste my time on something that doesn't have a ready and attentive audience. Also, if anyone has a suggestion on which Linux tribe I should join, I'd welcome it. I believe you all have my email address. I want a Linux system so I can remove networking from Windows XP. I don't trust Windows and when XP loses support next year, I'll be cut off. So I want to use Linux as a computer-hostable Internet appliance. Understand, that's the only use I will make of Linux, at least for the foreseeable future. I'll continue to use Windows XP for engineering and other projects, only as an isolated operating system without networking. I'd like to leave you with one reflection that may cause pause. If tomorrow Debian were to suddenly become twice as popular as it currently is, this list would be flooded by people exactly like me. Regards, Ciao, and Good Luck - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5134f76e.9070...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: OT: Fruit (was Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised)
Em 04-03-2013 09:48, albcares escreveu: that's right or almost right. The story told of a pumpkin and an acorn. And when the man lied under the oak to have a sleep, he was actually awaken by a falling acorn that made his nose bleeding. This is why the big pumpkins grow from a shaggy grass. (sorry for my basic language) Are you making this up now or this tale really exists in other countries than Brazil? Here this story is told by writer Monteiro Lobato, it is called "The world reformer". 2013/3/4, Darac Marjal: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:47:55PM -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: There is a tale in my country about an arrogant man that considered absurd that a pumpkin, being a large fruit, comes from a short plant, and the blackberry [1] comes from a tall tree although it is a tiny fruit. He kept thinking like this until he fell asleep under a blackberry tree and was awaken by a blackberry hitting his nose. Just for the record, I would consider "cherry" to be a better replacement than "blackberry" here. The Blackberry grows on a trailing bush with thorny tendrils. Although its fruit is small, it's unlikely anyone would sleep under one. A cherry, on the other hand, grows on a full-sized tree under which someone could conceivably sleep. In addition, the stone in the cherry would give added impact when falling one someone's nose :*) Yes, of course a cherry would be much better. No one would sleep under a blackberry tree also because the fallen fruit on the ground can stain the clothes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5134f333.7040...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Em 04-03-2013 08:32, Brian escreveu: On Sun 03 Mar 2013 at 23:34:23 -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Brian wrote: fdisk leaves space at the beginning of the drive because GRUB requires it to embed part of itself there. But GRUB will not go there because it thinks it is overwriting data on the disk when it detects the iso9660 signature. This is by design. This is clearly a bug, because the disk has a partition table and therefore there is no useful data before the first partition. It might be advisable to read http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2009-10/msg00207.html before tackling the GRUB maintainers. The behaviour can be overridden but not with --force. That discussion seems absurd to me. Just put a flag --no-data-check to skip all possible data overwrite check on user request. D-I uses partman for partitioning. It too leaves an embedding area which contains the iso9660 data sector. The solution is to remember to do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=65 before partitioning. But this will destroy the partition table, which is not right if you have other operating systems or partitions containing data. Maybe 'grub-install --force' would suffice? The act of writing the isohybrid destroys all data on the drive so at this point it is a bit late to worry about that. :) In the present case, yes, but in general the installer cannot simply clear the partition table even if there is an isohybrid fragment in the mbr. The isohybrid may be ancient data that was later overwrited by a partition table. Should the need arise to target the specific sector with the iso9660 data on it then something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 seek=63 count=64 could be used. Maybe this code could be placed in the installer just before calling grub-install. We are absolutely certain that this sector has no valuable data because there is a partition table. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5134f0f6.6000...@nonada.if.usp.br
