Re: bash or tcsh
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 02:21:09PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > Hi all, > > This is not a question related to debian, but... > Which are the differences between bash and tcsh (instead of scripts > :) ? > > Another question: > tcsh isn't gnu, is it ? > I used to be an avid tcsh user and now am an avid bash user. These decisions are personal really and a perfect example of a religious war, which I don't want to be involved in but here are my personal reasons for switching: 1) Installation: At the time I had just started a day job where I had accounts on several different machine architectures: HP, AIX, Solaris, etc. Refusing to use ksh, and struggling with trying to install tcsh on all those platforms, I ended up becoming a bash fan because I could install it in about 5 minutes from ftp.gnu.org. Autoconf is your friend. 2) Features: AFAIK, all the features of tcsh are in bash with slight variations which I now prefer. 3) Documentation: The documentation at www.gnu.org is IMO very, very good. 4) Scripting: I think it is a joke that csh is named because its programming is more like C than sh. This is IMO like saying that Arabic is more like Chinese than French - one might be able to find specific example where it is true but it is at best misleading. Almost all scripts I come across are written in sh (for portability reasons) so I see no need to ever fight with csh/tcsh scripting ever again. If I need to do write a tricky script I'll do it in perl. Ok, I done now. :) ksb
text screen shreenshots
Hi all, I'm doing an atricle on installing various OSs and need a way to take screenshots of the installation process. Any suggestions on how this can be done under the various Linux dists? (Debian, RedHat, etc.) Thanks, Keith
Re: Where did my disk space go?
On Sat, Jul 10, 1999 at 01:53:51PM -0500, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: > == > How does it look like: > cd ~ > du -sk . > 151081 . > du -sk * | sort -nr | head > 11447 charm I think that using `-a' instead of the `-s *' will reaveal the culprit. (probably a `.' file.) > du -ak | sort -nr | head ksb
Re: Tab Tab program/command line editing
On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 08:29:18AM -0400, Raymond A. Ingles wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Keith Beattie wrote: > > > Another invaluable NT setting is: > > > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Control Panel/Mouse/ActiveWindowTracking > > > > set to 1 - This gives you focus-follows-mouse, yea!!! > > I tried it, because I really like that feature. Sadly, I couldn't use the > bookmarks menu on Netscape 4.07 anymore... > Yea, I've reported this bug twice now. Once about two years ago and again now that it isn't fixed in 4.61. The menu pulldown bookmarks still work for me, just not the ones on the 'toolbar'. How about you report the bug to Netscape as well?! I just checked and Mozilla doesn't have a similar toolbar so I can't compare... There are other small problems with it, but IMO worth the hassle. ksb
Re: Tab Tab program/command line editing
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 10:45:48PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: > Matthew Dalton wrote: > > > > Me neither. It's a pain in the arse to have to go back to a Windows box > > and use the feature-void dos command shell. > > > > Whenever I have to navigate around in DOS, I'm always hitting tab try to > complete commands. I love the filename completion *feature* > -- Uhm, if you find yourself stuck on an NT machine, here is a litle known registry setting which enables a primative form of filename completion in a cmd.exe shell. Set HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\CompletionChar to 0x9 (the tab char). I got this from an FAQ on ntemacs I think, and it mentioned something about cmd.exe crashing ocassionally because of it, but that's nothing terribly rare with MS software. (Of course cygwin bash is the best NT solution...) Another invaluable NT setting is: HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Control Panel/Mouse/ActiveWindowTracking set to 1 - This gives you focus-follows-mouse, yea!!! ksb
Re: shell programing
On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 01:32:11PM -0500, Brian Servis wrote: > *- On 15 Jun, Keith Beattie wrote about "Re: shell programing" > > On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 06:09:12PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > >> > >> Is there any good online document for shell programing under unix (linux)? > >> i need bash and cshell. > >> Thanx > > > > My favorite reference for bash is http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash/ > > > > Isn't this the same as the info document that comes with the bash > package? i.e. 'info bash'? > I believe so. I just prefer (or rather have more familiarity with) html. ksb
Re: shell programing
On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 06:09:12PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > > Is there any good online document for shell programing under unix (linux)? > i need bash and cshell. > Thanx My favorite reference for bash is http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash/ ksb
Re: I worry...
On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 10:44:57PM -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote: > > Please tell me I am wrong! :) > Not that this is any real consolation to you, but pessimistically speaking, everyone takes the same risk when depending on any piece of technology. Unless you are the maintainer of that technology (and with free software at least that is a possibility) you are depending on the continued existence and prosperity of some other entity. What happened (or is happening) to shops which "standardized" OS/2? So, you are at least not any worse off than anyone else, in truth you (all free software users, actually) are much better off because it is far more likely for a company to go under (even MS or RedHat) than it is for a hundreds of loosely affiliated developers to all loose interest in Debian at the same time. Observe that GNU and the FSF has essentially been in existence for much longer than most software companies. If your concern is strong enough, hire or train developers and administrators, contribute to the system to help ensure its perseverance and *make* yourself right! My 2 cents, ksb
Re: email threat
On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 11:52:30AM -0700, Britton Kerin wrote: > When the leader or > representative of a group is stigmatized as a dangerous gun nut this rubs > off on the rest of the group, so please be careful what you say. Ah, but this is one of the reasons why the open source / free software movement is so interesting: there is no clear leader and there never can be. There can be (and certianlly are) those who are able to describe the movement, but none that could claim to lead it. I'm reminded of that 'herding cats' analogy to managing programmers... :) Just so long as it is still 'free' and people are willing to work on it, the loudest voice the free software community will ever have is the software itself, good or bad. This freedom gives it the tremendiously unique property of being immune to: bad press, good press, bad leaders, good leaders, bullets, monopolies, law suits, etc. ksb
Re: shell scripting
On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 03:46:27PM -0600, Craig Hancock wrote: > Hello al I was wondering if someone can tell me of some website taht > talk aboput shell scripting in great detail thanks The definitive reference for bash can be found (among other places) at: http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash-2.02/bashref.html ksb
Re: Do We Need a New Evangelist?
On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 04:40:57PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: > > > On 29 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Since Eric Raymond has expressed a desire to retire as Open Source > > evangelist, > > I've written an article "Do We Need a New Evangelist?" discussing how he > > should > > be replaced. It's at http://perens.com/Articles/Evangelist.html . > > > > Thanks > > > > Bruce Perens > > > [snip] > > Why do we even need spokespeople, why does the world need to understand > us? > I, for one, would like to hear Bruce's responce to George's question. Perhpas the fact that perens.com has been unreachable for the last 2 days has something to do with this? Is Bruce's article mirrored anywhere else? Thanks, Keith
Re: [OFFTOPIC]Gnu Utils For AIX
On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 02:18:01PM -0500, Chris Hoover wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any GNU (or other no > cost) utils that work with AIX. Specifically, I'm hoping to find > something like top. So we can find out which process is trying to > kill the machine here at work. I always go to ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/ and grab the source of what I need and then build it on what ever platform I'm on. I don't see source for top there but a script around ps may get you closer to what you need. HTH, ksb
Re: xterm font is W I D E
Kent West wrote: > > Anyone know where I can fix second and third and etc xterm windows to look > like my first one? > I believe that the "correct" way to do this is to add xterm resource settings to your ~/.Xdefaults (which some people preferr to call ~/.Xresources) file. This is a method of setting attributes for an entire category of X clients, like all xterms. IIRC, your ~/.Xdefaults is loaded by a calling xrdb in your ~/.xinitrc file. (~/.xinirc is alos sometimes called ~/.xsession if you are using xdm.) I seem to recall that Xemacs has a very well documented sample.Xdefaults file accessable under it's help menu. This won't help with xterm resource settings but it does serve a a good example of setting them. Just for kicks here is a clip of my .Xdefaults regarding xterm settings. I'm not 100% sure if this is the most correct waqy to set these but they seemed to work. --- ! File: .Xdefaults ! This is where resources are specified for X applications ! ! To Reload these setting onto the X server use: ! ! xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults ! XTerm*font: 9x15 XTerm*boldfont: 9x15bold XTerm*menufont: -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-1 XTerm*background: navy XTerm*foreground: white XTerm*cursorColor: yellow XTerm*pointerColor: yellow XTerm*pointerColorBackground: navy XTerm*color0: Black XTerm*color1: Red XTerm*color2: Green XTerm*color3: Yellow XTerm*color4: Blue XTerm*color5: Magenta XTerm*color6: Cyan XTerm*color7: White !XTerm.vt100.geometry: 79x25 XTerm*reverseWrap: true XTerm*jumpScroll: true XTerm*scrollKey:true XTerm*saveLines:2048 XTerm*scrollBar:true XTerm*charClass:33:48, 37:48, 45-47:48, 126:48 XTerm*visualBell: true --- HTH, Keith
Re: QUantifiable reasons to use debian instead of redhat...?
Marc Barnett wrote: > > What I need is a lists of reasons, logical supportable reasons, that I could > use to convice a change of standardization. Quite literally, this will decide > what the next 50-100 systems will look like. DO they run Redhat or Debian... > Did you search the mailing list archives? I seem to recall seeing this answered before. HTH, ksb
Re: Just My 2 Cents
Jens D. Baumgartner wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 08, 1998 at 11:34:29AM -0800, Keith Beattie wrote:
>
> > Well, I disagree. Personally I dislike massively integrated
> > applications like Outlook and Explorer. They are too big, too slow
> > and too complicated (to use and maintain). And I'm convinced that my
> [...]
> > Create small programs that do a single task and do it well.
> > Support a common communication mechanism so that each of these
> > small programs can be used together to solve complex tasks.
>
> Mh, Emacs is big, and IMHO pretty complicated. I don't want to say
> that Emacs is a bad application - no, I really like it. But learning
> how to use it cannot be regarded "easy". ;-)
>
Yea, I knew Emacs was going to be brought up ("but they don't know I a
big Emacs fan", I thought... :)
Honestly, Emacs straddles the fence on that rule in my opinion. It is
both an example of a set well integrated applications (if you consider
each lisp function or package as a application running within Emacs)
and a behemoth of an application. I guess it "gets away" with being a
behemoth in my mind because it is so well integrated and stable. It
could actually serve as an example of how complex tasks can be solved
via integrated components. One might make the same argument for
Excell and VB, but that doesn't appear as well organized and/or
componentized as Emacs, though I not as familiar with Excell.
Partially related thought: Wouldn't it be funny if HURD booted up to
an Emacs "*scratch*" buffer? (Funny to some... :)
I'm getting rather off topic for this thread, but I still think the
future of software engineering is in building components with
applications being the integrations of these components. Exactly
which form that will take, I'm not sure. At least I hope this is the
case, perhaps I'm just dreaming... (O-O, Corba, Tcl/Tk, etc.)
To answer the original poster's question, though, I think that the
reason why people want MS apps on Linux is because once somebody is on
a new OS, when it comes down to getting their work done, they
want/need to run the apps they are familiar with - which is why I'm
happy NTemacs exists. I think though that a Windows emulator might be
the best path for those folks, rather than learning a new app native
to Linux.
I'm done now...
ksb
Re: emacs & xemacs
Kent West wrote: > > Ever since I started with Linux I've wanted a console-based graphical web > browser, but kept running into a brick wall. Then I read that emacs could Uh, isn't "console-based graphical " an oxymoron? How could your ever expect to see graphics on a text-only display? (Unless the "graphics" are ASCII-art or some such thing.) ksb
Re: Stupid Telnet question.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I've seen this before, but don't remember what I did to make it work. > Have a remote user wanting access to a Linux system. That user used > to just telnet with no problem. > > Now they are getting: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: telnet 205.242.10.73 > Trying 205.242.10.73... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host > > But I can do a ping and a traceroute from fuller to the Linux host. > At this point I've spent so much time on it I'm getting frustrated... > > What's the short answer for where this is not working? Well, I'm not sure of the short answer but you can try pinging with larger packets sizes to see if it is the network itself. (man ping and look for the -s flag) I recall that improperly configured ATM networks can have problems with packet de/fragmentation, where small (ATM and ping size) packets get through but larger (TCP/IP size) packets don't. HTH, ksb
Re: Just My 2 Cents
Christian Lavoie wrote: > > Actually, I think more and more people are wanting Microsof-like > applications, because the Microsoft philosophy has some good ideas, > especially when you are a end-user. [...] > Let's take the Windows' IE and Office integration as an example. In the > basic, it's a great idea. You get to do everyday tasks more easily, the > appropriate tools are more handy and more and more softwares can use those > apps as subsets of themselves. You get a serie of to-be-powerful tools that > are imposed as standards, guaranteeing that your knowledge is to be > preserved from task to task. > > Now my point is: Microsoft has some great ideas, and it would be a shame to Well, I disagree. Personally I dislike massively integrated applications like Outlook and Explorer. They are too big, too slow and too complicated (to use and maintain). And I'm convinced that my knowledge of how to use Outlook will be obsolete in a few years because MS (or any molopoly) has a vested interest in *not* having standards or letting thier tools be integrated by someone else. I'd wager that the single biggest reasons that Unix has survived and prospered over the last 20+ years is not because of it's design as an OS but because of the software design philosophy of it's interface. Paraphrased, it goes something like this: Create small programs that do a single task and do it well. Support a common communication mechanism so that each of these small programs can be used together to solve complex tasks. Take 'ls' as an example. It does not have a -p flag for stopping it's output every screen - because that is not the task of a "list" program. Pipe it's output to your favorite pager which will have all the bells and whistles which a paging program can specialize in. One might argue that this works for command line interfaces but not for GUIs. I would still disagree. The communication mechanism will certainly need to be more complicated than Unix style pipes reading and writing ASCII but the payoff of having a collection of specialized, relatively easy to maintain, tools will be worth the effort. Although I never used an Amiga, I've heard that it had a scripting language for exactly this purpose. You also don't need to know ahead of time what your application will be used for. Build the walls, doors and windows separately and you can build (and change) any building in may different unpredictable ways. This is certainly the future direction of software development, once "integration" and obsfucated standards as a business model (which a monopoly will certainly want to employ) are overthrown, or more likely, crumble under it's own weight and complexity. Just *my* 2 cents... Keith
Re: Linux Tips & Tricks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Just to let you know all that i've started a project called Linux Tips and > Tricks (http://www.patoche.org/LTT) in which i'm collecting tips i find. > Since i use Debian and read this mailing-list i will put tips sent here. > In fact there are the majority of tips i already have (around 60). This looks like a good idea, though I curious to see how you will organize it when your database of tips gets very large (for example over 10K tips). A search engine will undoubtably be needed... > If someone feels it inapropriate for me to put the contents of their email > sent > to this mailing-list just let me know. (the origin of each tip is mentionned > on > the web page) I don't think people will think it inappropriate for you to publish their suggestions organized in this way (this is not dissimilar to FAQs or the FAQ-O-Matic) but I do think it is inappropriate for you to not credit the individuals who wrote the tip as well as copyrighting them in your name. I think that if you gave credit to the actual authors of the tips and removed the "(c) patoche.org" from the LTT pages which are not entirely your content I think it would be a very good resource for a lot of people. Regards, Keith
Re: Stable GUI Web Browser
David Warnock wrote: > > PS I am British and I am always sarcastic, I have been warned that US citizens > are unable to recognise sarcasm - I guess thats why so many Americans use M$ > software. > Hey, maybe that's what M$ software *is*: American sarcasm! :) Keith
Re: auto-indenting-formatting with a vi?
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: > > rick, who'd be happy as a clam in a bucket of beer if he had a classic > vi that would handle multiple buffers and color & indent his programs Being an Emacs fan myself, I believe what you asking for is an oxymoron. :) I don't use vim (obviously) but using one of the vi-modes in Emacs may be a good choice for you. Type `M-x viper-mode' and it is rather self explanatory. HTH, ksb
Re: how do I extract a 2.6 gigabyte .tar.gz file ?
Darxus wrote: > > > > Where on earth did you store this file? I could've sworn the ext2fs > > had a 2GB/file limit on it? Certainly all the file utilities do. It > > fat32 filesystem. [snip] > Well, I think more than that, the assignment of the pointer to the file > probably failed, before it even got to *try* to find the end of the file. > Hang on a second here, if the file exceeds the size limit of the file system, how did it get there in the first place? If nothing in libc can grok it, what created it? Something is amiss here. What I understand you to be saying is something like this: "I built a desk in my garage that I want to give it to a friend but I can't get it out of my garage because it is bigger than my garage!" Are you sure the size is truly over 2 Gigs? How about "od" or writing your own C or perl "cat" program to see where they fail? Keith
Re: Security.
Liran Zvibel wrote: > > I would like to do some RTFMing about security, and would like to have > some pointers. > > Thanks, > Liran. > --- > http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~liranz/ > Well, if you can understand everything the ssh man page has in it, then you'll have a much better understanding than most, I'm sure. I remember reading a very good paper on the design of kerberos. It is written as a dialog between two people discussing the creation of a secure network. I really enjoyed reading it as the characters incrementally "discover" the fundamental problems of computer security and then solve them (of course, as kerberos solves them). Even if kerberos is not the security system you plan on using (or are interested in) it is a good introduction to the topic as it very effectively lists the challenges all security systems must overcome. The paper is on the web at MIT: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/dialogue.html A more mathematical coverage is in the text book most CS students will recognize: "Introduction to Algorithms" by Cormen, Leiserson and Rivest (big white book with a red mobile on the cover). It has a section (33.7) covering the RSA public-key cryptosystem which I believe ssh and pgp are fundamentally based on. (The "R" in RSA stands for Rivest, one of the authors of the text.) This section will require a little number theory but after reading it you'll understand why if anybody figures out how to factor large numbers quickly, the technological world as we know it will change. HTH, Keith
Re: replacment for quick books
Carl Vilbrandt wrote: > > Is there a replacement for Quicken/Quickbooks ? > . . . for ACT, a contact management software ? > > without creating one in linux. > gnucash - http://www.gnucash.org/ ksb
Re: Why having the . at the end of someone's PATH is a security ?
shaul wrote: > > There shouldn't be a "." in your PATH; even at the end, it's a > > security risk. > > Why ? How it can be exploited ? > A somewhat related story: When I was taking CS classes in college there was this one student who many of us suspected of not being entirely honest about the work he turned in. Well, a friend of mine wrote a program which before exec'ing /bin/ls logged information about the caller. He named it "ls" and put it in his home dir. Well, guess who happened by? This program, of course only "caught" those who had "." ahead of /bin in their path but there were quite a few that it did catch. My friend was very nice, his program could have been much more malicious and/or sneaky. I should think that as many who had unsafe PATHs, had world readable files allowing our less than honest classmate to claim other's work as his own. Personally I'm in the habit of typing "./" when I need to execute something in the current directory. I've been burned too many times by writing programs called "test" and "a.out" and executing the wrong binary thinking the same named file in my current dir would be the one found. Regards, ksb
Re: simple password
DAVID B. TEAGUE wrote: > Horacio writes: > > > > This maybe a stupid question, but i want to change my password. When > > > putting `passwd' linux askme for the new password. I put it in, and > > > linux said it is too simple what can i do for linux dont say me > > > that? Currently i have NO password, so i dont understand why linux say > > > the new i write is `simple'. > > Other folk will have > suggestions that are perhaps better. I find that using the first letter from each word in a sentance or phrase (including a mix of capitalization and punctuation) makes for easy to remember, almost impossible to guess passowrds. Obviously, don't pick well known phrases: "Tb,ontb;", is certianly a bad choice.) Use them as timely mantras, and change them when they get out of date. Keith
Re: y2k (don't kill me!)
Stephanie A. Tomlinson wrote: > > I just gotta find out... where might i find an official bullettin or who might > i talk to in order to get an official statement concerning debian linux's > y2k compliance? > You can always looks at the source code, you'll find no other statements more "official" than those! :) A quick search of the Debian web site reveals this short statement: http://www.debian.org/news#19980104 HTH, ksb
Re: moving fvwm windows by thier "handles"
the lone gunman wrote: > Now, the handles resize the window. For instance, if I display an > image under xv that is big enough to push the title bar off the > screen, I really can't move the window. I would like to go back to my > old setup, but I do not know which fvwm2 command to use in the config > file. > > Anyone know what I need? > A modification of your ~/.xmodmaprc and ~/.fvwmrc file to allow another means to move and/or resize windows. What I do is move and resize windows by mouse 1 and mouse 3 (respectfully) pressed *anywhere* in a window, with a modifier key pressed. This I find to be much faster and much easier on my right wrist because I don't have to "find" the handles with the mouse. It is also a good use of the extra "windows" keys on those curved "natural" keyboards under X. What I did was something like the following: (I don't have access to my Linux machine at the moment so double check all this.) Add and entry to your ~/.xmodmaprc file to change a (spare) key to be a mod 4 (or some other modifier which won't conflict with applications). I can't recall exactly what those commands are but I figured it out playing with xkeycaps. I have my ~/.xinitrc source my ~/.xmodmaprc file i.e. # Set up my keyboard for a control key on the right and a mouse # modfier key... if [ -f $HOME/.xmodmaprc ]; then xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmaprc fi Then modify your ~/.fvwmrc to give meaning to the new modifier key and mouse buttons being pressed at the same time. (I do have these settings because I use FVWM on Solaris at work): # Window movement and resizing # Button Context Modifi Function Mouse 1 FSTW4 Move Mouse 2 FSTW4 Maximize 0 100 Mouse 3 FSTW4 Resize I like tall windows so I use mouse 2 for instant max height. There could be better/other ways to accomplish this, but it works for me (I'm open to suggestions). I've actually seen twm configurations to have no window decorations at all using this idea (where I stole it from...). Personally, I think that no decorations is a little extreme but this ability alone is enough reason for me to prefer X-windows as a GUI. HTH, Keith
Re: shutdown not unnmounting
David B. Teague wrote: > > The problem is that SOMETIMES, not frequently, > > shutdown -h now > > will stop before unmounting drives > > The correct answer is to upgrade, but is there anything I could > do in the interim? > > I have a draconian set of deadlines, and I don't want to do anything > that could result in this machine going down for any length of time. > Don't shutdown your machine. [ducking under desk] Ok, Ok, I have some real ideas to consider... Idea #1 - umount the drives yourself: sync;sync;sync umount -a shutdown -h now Idea #2 - have shutdown wait a period of time before actually shutting down shutdown -h +5 # Check my syntax on the +5 Idea #3 - some combination of the above ideas sync;sync;sync umount -a shutdown -h +5 etc. HTH, Keith
Re: pathchar documentation
Guenther Koerbler wrote:
>
> Who has a description or documentation about pathchar, the program from Van
> Jacobson ?
> Especially what means the last output: pipes ?
>
I don't know the answer specifically to your question but I remember
attending a talk which Van gave on pathchar last year. I've found the
slides for that talk here:
ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/pathchar/msri-talk.{pdf,ps.gz}
As I recall, the talk was quite mathematical (it was given to the
Mathematical Sciences Research Institute after all!) gave a good
background on how traceroute works and how pathchar is an extension of
those ideas. Figuring out the contents of a talk from only the slides
can be very difficult if not impossible but perhaps this might help
you figure it out.
You may also try looking at some of the other papers or talks which
have been given by members of the Network Research Group at LBL.
Links are off the groups main page: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/
Luck,
Keith
Re: gunzip - invalid compressed data?
Rich Hartman wrote: > > Is this a problem with my version of gunzip? OR did I download 38MB > worth of corrupted file? > Uhm, I hesitate to even ask this, but did you specify binary mode (typing "bin" at the ftp> prompt) when you ftp'd the file? I'm not aware of anyway to convert a binary file accidentally downloaded in ASCII mode, I think data is actually lost if Binary mode is not used on a binary file. If this is the case you will probably need to download it again. Let's hope I'm wrong! Keith
Re: scripting help
Patrick Olson wrote: > > P.S. Is there such a thing as a scripting how-to? If so, I missed it. > Either way, it would be great to know where I can read about it, either > from a how-to or something else. It might even save me the embarrassment > of asking an incredibly obvious question. I don't know of any How-Tos but I've found the O'reilly book "Learning the bash Shell" very helpfull. ksb -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: I give UP
Paul Sellers wrote: > > All I wanted was info on installilng Linus on a Win95 system. A search on > "Win95" got 18 hits, none of which (summary) mentioned Win95. > Most everything I clicked off the main page didn't load (quickly). > > I was perusing the bootDisk #15 with Linux as the main item. > > How about if I install it on a Win3.1 system ?? > Perhaps I'm wrong but it sounds to me like you might be misunderstanding what Linux is. Linux is not an application but a full fledged operating system which can take the place of Win95 or Win3.1 . You therefore do not install it "on" a Win95 system or Win3.1 system (as you would install an application) but you install it on your computer (either as an equal to, or in place of, Win95/3.1) and choose which one operating system you will run at a time. > Guess I am not enough of a hacker to wade thru all the warnings and stuff > to d/l if and when this/that crashes. Not enough hours in the day to play > computer, help the wife, play with the kids, cut the grass etc and etc. Well, I can't solve anyone's life scheduling problems (let alone my own!) but learning Linux (or any flavor of Unix) does involve climbing a rather steep learning curve. It may not be for you, but speaking for myself (and probably many others) climbing that hill is well worth my time and very rewarding. Regards, Keith -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: Xemacs help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have two questions regarding Xemacs .. There is a wealth of information in the Xemacs sample files (sample.Xdefaults and sample.emacs). These can be brought up in Xemacs via the Help->Samples pull-down or can be found in the Xemacs' etc directory (e.g. /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.4/etc/ ) > 1. My delete key is acting as backspace. What should I do to make > delete act as delete? sample.emacs has the line: (setq delete-key-deletes-forward t) which appears to do what you are looking for. > 2. My toolbar buttons come in grey. How do I make them in colors? Read through the sample.Xdefaults file, look for the colors and backgrounds section. HTH, Keith -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: good digital clock for x?
the lone gunman wrote: > > Hello -- are there any deb packages that have a digital clock that I > can swallow in an x module (specifically, FvwmButtons)? I'd prefer > one that does military time, and perhaps the date, too :) My favorite is asclock. I believe it comes with afterstep or whatever is the latest NeXT WM is these days. It'll to 24 hour time and show the date. Regards, ksb -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: Can setup a signature on elm
Keith wrote: > > Also I was wondering if I can have emacs be the program that I use > to type my letters in elm, instead of vi. > If you are using X and want to use a currently running emacs to compose messages, look into the gnuserv package of emacs. IIRC, it is as simple as adding (gnuserv-start) to your ~/.emacs and using gnuclient as the command to start your editor. (As set in the elm options menu.) I'd double check that though... Regards, Keith -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Linus Torvalds interview
fyi, http://www.bootnet.com/youaskedforit/lip_linux_manifesto.html ksb -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: Long text file to edit..
Carlos Marcos Kakihara wrote: > > I want to edit a 700MB text file. vi tells that the file is > too long, and xemacs tells that "maximum buffer size something.." :) > There is a way to view this file? > If you simply want to view the file and not edit it, I'd try something like "more" which I believe just starts reading the file from the beginning and doesn't care how big it is in total size. If you want to edit it, and it is just text, what about splitting it up into more manageable chunks using something like head or tail? This could actually get quite tricky if you don't have enough space to hold each peice, which is probably why vi and xemacs are complaining in the first place! Just some thoughts... Keith -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: Dumping Core on Purpose
C.J.LAWSON wrote: > I guess the next logical question would be how to get a program to > backtrack and reload the core file .. and then contiue executing > Here's a wild shot at it... Assuming that forking a "kamakazi" child is not an acceptable solution, is there some way of capturing the image of the process from the kernal? I don't have access to a Linux machine at the moment (a tradgedy, I know...) but I'm thinking of copying info out of something like one of FreeBSD's or Solaris' /proc entries. ksb -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: jdk-common_1.0.2-7.deb
Dennis, First, when you have this many (likely unrelated) questions, it is probably best to make separate posts so they can be handled one at a time by those who might be able to help. You risk your X questions going unanswered since the subject only mentions jdk. :) Here's my attempt tho... Dennis Dixon wrote: > I ran the command 'dpkg -i jdk-common_1.0.2-7.deb' to install the Java > libraries on my computer. The program succesfully installed I believe. When > I typed 'java' on the command line I got the message 'bash> java: command > not found'. > > Why doesn't this work? The message 'bash> java: command not found' is bash telling you it cannot find an executable file named "java" anywhere in its PATH environment variable. You need to find the executable file "java" and add the directory it is in to bash's PATH. > However, shouldn't there be 'java.class' and 'javac.class' files > somewhere that are runnable? Nope. Though there should be "java" and "javac" files somewhere that are. "java" is, AFAIK, a native executable which runs the Java VM that then interprets the byte codes in a .class file. Similarly "javac" is also native executable which compiles Java code (in a .java file) into Java byte code, producing one or more .class files. > Possibly the jdk needs to be added to the CLASSPATH for Bash to find the > file and this wasn't done automatically by dpkg. What file would this be in > Linux? Possibly 'etc/profile'? You are correct except bash uses PATH for finding executables not CLASSPATH. CLASSPATH is used by the VM (java) and the Java compiler (javac) for finding .class (or .zip, etc) files in order to do their running or compiling properly. It is probably best to make these modifications in your own ~/.profile file rather than the system wide /etc/profile file. Unless you want all users to automatically have those modifications. > Continuing on with the neverending array of questions, I just installed XF86 > on my machine. It now starts when I type 'startx', but beyond that I have > no idea what it's supposed to do. For instance I can't even change the font > size on the command prompt it displays. (Presently much too small to be > useable) Is there a config file I'm supposed to change to fix this? Yes there are several, I use ~/.xsession and ~/.Xdefaults. > Thinking what I need is a windows manager I installed 'afterstep_1.0-1.deb'. > When I type 'afterstep' on the command line I get 'afterstep: can't open > display'. If I type it on the command line inside XF86 I get 'WM already > running'. Well, my guess is that you do not have a ~/.xsession file so X will start up with a default (ugly) environment including twm as the window manager. You need to quit twm and start your window manager of choice, or better yet write a ~/.xsession which starts the WM you want in the first place. > Is afterstep supposed to replace XF86 or work in conjunction with > it? I actually have no idea what these programs are supposed to do. There > must be more than this though. afterstep (or any window manager) works in conjunction with X. WMs are "special" X apps which manage the layout (look and feel) of your GUI. Among many other things, WMs allow you to move your windows. > On the advice of previous e-mails on this mailing list I would like to try > out the windows manager 'icewm', 'gnome', and 'gmc' (Which is actually > Midnight Cowboy?). However, I can't find .deb files for these programs. > Which leads us back to the previous question as to how to install software > that's not packaged as .deb files. Well, most programmers (though not all) write pretty clear instructions in a file name something similar to "README" or "INSTALL". There is no standard for this, that's one of the reasons for .deb files in the first place! Luck, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dvorak keyboard in X?
Ian Keith Setford wrote: > > I was wondering if the current xbase has support for a "dvorak" type > keyboard. If so, is it an option within xf86config? > If your "Dvorak" type keyboard is one that was made specifically to have the Dvorak layout, then there shouldn't be any problems - the keyboard itself sends the proper codes to the machine, only the layout of the keys will be different. If you have simply re-arranged the keys of (or put stickers on) your keyboard, then using xmodmap to map the keys "back" to what you want them to be, will work, but only *within* X. Typing at the console (as in loging in!) will be challenging as you will have to remember the qwerty layout. The same problems exist for WinNT. Perhaps there is another way to compensate for a "Dvoraked" keyboard (one where the keys have been re-arranged) but my guess is that would have to happen at the device-driver level. There is plenty of information about Dvorak keyboard issues on the web (Yahoo has a category for it) including xmodmaprc and .emacs files, but after a quick venture into using the Dvorak layout (for repetitive stress injury reasons) I pretty much gave up realizing that the only complete solution I could find was to buy a "real" Dvorak keyboard so no software changes were necessary. Those keyboards are quite expensive though... Luck, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh telneting
Paul Miller wrote: > > I often telnet to my Linux box from a win95 machine. Does anyone know of > a nice win95 telnet program that supports ssh and ANSI (preferably free)? > Take a look at http://fox.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ci2/ssh/ Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: legal issues (suing debian, pine, et al.)
Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > Also, the fact of incorporation does not protect the individual who > > > causes the liability. If someone, for example, places copyrighted > > > material into the debian distribution, both the person and debian > > > are liable. > > Keith Beattie wrote: > > > Uhm, I don't mean to dump on lawyers here, but I'm pretty sure that > > becoming overly concerned with liabilities and the like, will surely > > *kill* any non-profit, volunteer-based organization like Debian. The > > chance of scaring away developers is, IMHO, quite large. > > > > We should tread very carefully here. > > I disagree. I'd be more weary of teaming up with a reckless organization > who would prefer to `not worry about it' than one like Debian that makes > careful decisions and sticks to them. > I certainly hope that that is the opinion of most developers. Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: legal issues (suing debian, pine, et al.)
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: > greq wrote, > > > On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: > > > > > It's not that simple. FIrst of all, didn't debian incorporate about two > > > years > > > ago? IIRC, it was "Software in the Public Interest" (SPI) that incorporated, not Debian. SPI was formed by Bruce Parens, former Debian President. I can find no information on the "legal" definition of the Debian organization. > > Also, the fact of incorporation does not protect the individual who > causes the liability. If someone, for example, places copyrighted > material into the debian distribution, both the person and debian > are liable. > Uhm, I don't mean to dump on lawyers here, but I'm pretty sure that becoming overly concerned with liabilities and the like, will surely *kill* any non-profit, volunteer-based organization like Debian. The chance of scaring away developers is, IMHO, quite large. We should tread very carefully here. Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout? revisited.
dobrin wrote: > Sorry about this, but I was out and missed the beginning, How do you > disable Autologout in tcsh (which I MUST use to be script compliant with the > rest of the facility). I tried login.defs and a few other things. NADA. > This is funny. I just resisted the temptation to whine about operator overloading in C++ in this thread. :) unset autologout Add it to your ~/.tcshrc or type in at the shell prompt. HTH, Keith ps -For future reference the mailing list archives are kept at http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/ although the searching capability appears to be down at the moment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?
Adam Shand wrote: > > > While there are still a few things I prefer about tcsh, I figure bash > > can you expound? i'm curious. > Oh, minor stuff really. The completion stuff mentioned earlier in this thread, prompt settings (~ when in your home dir, a shorter HH:MM time format), other little things I can't remember right now. I'm sure I could get bash to do most of it, if I sat down and figured it out... > > LocalWords: Kron > > eh? what is this? Sorry, just a typo - I mistyped "Korn" and somehow between ispell, a slow network and elm, we all got a little confused. :) Regards, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?
Adam Shand wrote: > > > > > Use bash (instead of tcsh) and ssh (for connecting to remote hosts). > > > > running a couple of days behind here but ... > > are there reasons for your personal bias? i definately agree with using > ssh for connecting to hosts (auto setting of display variable, encryption, > encrypted tunnelling of x sessions, rsa authentications etc etc). > > is is there really any advantage to using bash over tcsh? > > i use tcsh because it's what i learned first and now it's familiar... but > i've been looking for a reason to be bothered swapping over to bash. > > can you convince me? :) > How 'bout I just tell you why I prefer bash these days. (I'm not interested in starting or participating in a "religious war" :) I (only recently) have started to prefer bash over tcsh for two main reasons: 1) I find myself working on several different OSs these days: WinNT, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Linux, etc. Being able to have the same shell everywhere is nice and I have found bash to be the easiest to install on all these types of machines. (autoconf is a beautiful thing!) 2) Bash is Bourne Shell compatible. This means that if I'm in a situation where I cannot install bash, for whatever reason, I'm not strangled by being unfamiliar with sh-flavor command line behavior. (I've found that an unconfigured csh is about as friendly as unconfigured ksh - both of which are found standard on most machines, whereas bash and tcsh are usually only installed by people like me.) This point is even stronger for scripts. Very few scripts I find are written in csh, so being familiar with Bourne syntax is more productive. (csh is supposed to be more "C-like" in it's syntax - I find this very deceptive. csh is about as C-like as French is English-like. Yes, there are similarities but they are very different languages. With bash around making sh as user-friendly as tcsh, I might as well forget csh and learn sh. (This is similar to why I think Java/C can now replace C++, but I digress. :)) Of course this topic cannot be mentioned without the following reference: http://language.perl.com/versus/csh.whynot While there are still a few things I prefer about tcsh, I figure bash can probably to it all, I just need to figure it out... Reading the rest of this thread just might be what I need! Regards, Keith ps - for those unfamiliar with the history of Unix shells: sh = Bourne Shell csh = C Shell (not sh compatible, a C-like shell) ksh = Kron Shell (an extension of sh) tcsh = Tenex(?) C shell (an extension of csh) bash = Bourne Again Shell (a sh compatible extension of sh with ksh, csh and tcsh functionality influence) LocalWords: Kron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?
Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, shaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > By the way, how can I tell the aliases in my .bashrc to work only when I am
> > using X (I don't need xemacs -geometry 87x28 when I am not using X) ?
>
> Use a function such as
>
> xemacs() {
> if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
> command xemacs -geometry 87x28 "$@"
> else
> command xemacs "$@"
> fi
> }
>
I believe that this could also be accomplished (in a simpler but less
interesting way) by setting the geometry resource in your ~/.Xdefaults
file. Something like the line "emacs.geometry: 87x28", though I
double check that.
HTH,
Keith
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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?
Tristan Day wrote: > I've got xemacs installed on my stable Debian 1.3.1, and it works just fine, > but I want to use emacs for file viewing and manipulation in a normal > console because I don't like vi. I tried to install emacs in dselect but it > tells me I have to take components of xemacs out, because they conflict. Is > this a small conflict that would be OK to force using dpkg, or do I have to > choose between them? > xemacs (when run with the -nw flag) will run in a normal console as you desire. HTH, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more on emacs and version control
Ulisses Alonso Camaro wrote: > Hi all > > I would like to know if there is a way to customize emacs-vc to use by > default the master files (,v files) in other directories. I would like to > keep all master files in a / > directory > This doesn't actually answeer your question and perhaps you've already considered this, but you might be able to accomplish the same effect by making your RCS directory a soft link to where you want the master files to live. HTH, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: > Hi, > > How do I diable autologout in tcsh? The man page tells me how I can enable unset autologout > it. The problem seems to be that even under X my DISPLAY is not being set I don't see how these two problems could be related but... If your DISPLAY is not being set for local xterms make sure you are setting it using "setenv" instead of "set" in your login shell. For remote xterms, look into the REMOTEHOST environment variable. Use bash (instead of tcsh) and ssh (for connecting to remote hosts). HTH, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Threading list subjects?
Jason Costomiris wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 1998 at 01:48:48PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > : Hi, > : >>"Jason" == Jason Costomiris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : > : Jason> Indeed. However, you don't need to learn the finger-breaking > : Jason> keystrokes emacs requires (sorry guys, what was that, > : Jason> meta+alt+left shift_F9 for that function? )... > : > : You are just showing how dated your knowledge of Emacs is. > > Sure, beat up on the vi guy who makes a joke about emacs. > > Would you recognize a joke if it jumped off of your screen and kicked you? "Daddy? Why are we hiding from the police?" "Because we use vi son. They use emacs." > Besides, are there no more wacko keybindings in emacs? I think they are > still there. Oh sure, they're there. Here's one you apparently might like :) (global-set-key [(meta alt shift f9)] 'viper-mode) (Sorry, this will only work in XEmacs, which I don't believe distinguishes between left and right shift keys - either does GNU emacs for that matter.) Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .ps or .pdf editing app
David Stern wrote: > > I've tried a lot of editing apps (and conversion utilities) in hamm, > but I can't find one that edits postscript or acrobat files. Does > anyone know what package I can use to edit a ps or pdf form that uses > Times-Roman fonts in a variety of point sizes, with some lines (no > graphics)? > I think one of the possible reasons why tools like this are so rare is because postscript and pdf are *intended* to be final, read-only, printer-(not human)-friendly formats. I was looking for a postscript editor several years back and couldn't find anything (other than emacs). Months after giving up I finally understood the cryptic answer the local guru gave me: "you're asking the wrong question." The (unsatisfactory) solution is to get the source document from which the ps or pdf was generated, edit *that*, then generate your new ps or pdf in the usuall way. If all you have is the ps or pdf, perhaps that too is intentional... Luck, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: embarassing X questions
Christopher J. McNicholas wrote: > > 1) Is there somewhere I can read up on the different types of windows > managers? http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ is a pretty good site. > 2) I loaded X without a windows manager installed. I can move my > mouse around, but that's about it, no menus or anything. I switched > VCs just to make sure I wasn't locked up :-).. The question is..how > do I properly close out of X without a windows manager? The magic keystroke (for XFree86) is Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. > 3) After X loads up, my screen is shifted one character to the left, > wrapping to the right hand side of the screen...what's that all > about? I'm forced to reboot to straighten it out! Ya got me on that one. I usually just tweaked the setting on the monitor itself. HTH, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?
Brian White wrote: > > Perhaps it would be best if the transient only automatically got focus > if its parent already had focus? Perhaps this option could be tri-state: > never, always, if-parent-has-focus. ^^^ This is an excellent idea. It would solve both our problems. Perhaps this could be added to the suggestion to the fvwm maintainers? Happily identifying myself as an "elly", Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm question: can I make transients take focus?
Brian White wrote: > > Is there any way under fvwm2 to make all transient windows automatically get > focus when they appear? It would be much more convienient than having to > move the mouse to that window. > If you have any windows that pop up automatically, like calander reminders, error windows, etcetera, this can be a *very* undesirable feature. For myself, being stuck with using NT on a daily basis, such windows (like crashing applications :) pop up and steal the focus quite often. The problem is that if this happens *as* I'm typing or clicking a mouse button, the new window gets the event and just might disappear before I get a chance to read it! "Hmmm, I hope that wasn't too important..." Who knows what I just denied or agreed to! Other times, applications might be launched and I suddenly find myself in the middle of another program with no idea how I got there. At best, the machine just beeps at me several times. What I wouldn't give to have genuine sloppy focus in every GUI. (BTW, setting the ActiveWindowTracking resource in NT doesn't prevent this problem - you have to move the mouse to get the focus *back* to the window you were in once the transient appears.) My 2 cents, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatically set DISPLAY after telnet/rlogin ?
Michael Agbaglo wrote: > > is there is nice way to have the DISPLAY-Variable automatically set to > the host from where I logged in ? > Obviously ssh appears to be the preferred answer but if tcsh is available on the remote host, check for tcsh's REMOTEHOST environment variable. It should have exactly what you want. If it (tcsh) was built to support it ($version will have an "rh" in it), tcsh will attempt to set $REMOTEHOST to the name (or IP address) of the incoming machine according to getpeername() on the incoming socket connection. This of course won't do you much good if you are connecting via more than one hop, connecting through a firewall, want security, etc. HTH, Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs starting very slow
Catalin Popescu wrote: > > I have Debian Linux 1.3. running on a 486-66Mhz with 32 Mb RAM with me as > a single user. Until recently emacs was starting in about 2-3 seconds. In > the last few days I've noticed that it takes about 12--15 seconds to > start. What could possibly have happened? It seems that also other > programs (such as pine) are running more slowly. > Hmm, I have a 486-33 and I swear that thing gets slower everyday! Seriously, if it is Xemacs you are running, a quick test, for purposes of elimination, would be to try the suggestion made in a posting last December: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-user-9712/msg01641.html (summary: "touch /tmp/.sockets/audio0" before starting Xemacs.) If that is not the problem, have you made any software, network, hardware or BIOS changes lately? Keith -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian article on bootNet.com
Lindsay Allen wrote: > > Your article inspired quite a lot of traffic on this list so you do seem > to have made a significant impact and brought in some fresh blood. Well > done. Thanks! It's nice to be able to contribute! > > How did the project work out from the magazine's perspective? >From what I understand, they were quite happy with it. Most feedback was very positive, a few people complained but hey, you can't plese everybody... Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian article on bootNet.com
Hi all, I thought the list might be interested to see that my buddies at Boot Magazine finally posted my 12-Step article on the Web: http://www.bootnet.com/youaskedforit/12step_installinglinux.html This article came into existence after I had been bugging my friend who works at Boot about how they only write about software and hardware for Windoze OSs. They must of got sick of my nagging and said "Ok, if Linux is so great, how about you write the next 12-step on how to install it? We'll even put a small distribution on the Boot Disc." What could I do, say no? Of course not! So 3 days and 1800 words later I gave them my best effort. Now before anybody is tempted to nail me for any of the (small) errors or (large) omissions that exist in the article, I'd like to say that I don't claim to be a Unix, Linux or Debian expert, but I have dabbled with it for a few years. I just happened to be in the position to support Debian, Linux and the open source software movement, so I gave it my best shot. Also remember that 1800 words (50% more than usually is allotted for the 12-step) is a pretty tight squeeze for installing Unix. Finally understand that each of their 5 editors took a swipe at it (improving it, mostly :) before it went to print. Over all, I think it turned out pretty good. The few mentions of the article on this list seemed positive, so it looks like it helped the cause more than hurt it. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Thanks :)
Ossama Othman wrote: > > P.S.: I noticed alot of you use "IIRC." Since I only found out about the > Jargon file last week, I don't know what this means, and it doesn't seem > to be in the jargon file. What does it mean? IIRC = "If I Recall Correctly" Here, learn to fish :) http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym Luck, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Dvorak keybindings in X
Adam Shand wrote: > > A question on behalf of a friend. We have the dvorak key bindings working > fine in console mode but can't get them to work under X. How did you do that? > > Can anyone point me in the right direction to get this to work under X as > well? > One way is to use xmodmap, there's lots of info here: http://www.ccsi.com/~mbrooks/dvorak/unix.html Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Getting Started
Robert Smith wrote: > drive. The reason I can't install is because I can't > put anything decent on my work computer, HR thinks > that would make me less productive, and my home > computer has some propriety hardware. Also I can't cd I'd consider searching for an old 486 (or even a 386) "beater" system to learn on. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit-->Fired for Linux?
George Bonser wrote: > > > You are, of course correct, but we should give them some idea of how > many of their subscribers they have offended ;) Yea, I see what you mean but I'm a little concerned that Linux, and to a larger extent free software, will be damaged by people taking a "religious" attitude towards their software and not tolerating any criticism. I'm not accusing you (or anyone) of that, but I think that there might be presumption that us "enthusiasts" have that tendency and hence will not be taken seriously. In fairness, I think that the essence of the point he raises is quite valid: How can a business take seriously software that is not supported by a commercial entity? Given the speed at which people (managers, business, etc.) tend to point fingers when a problem arises rather than depend on their own ability to solve it, this is a legitimate concern. Of course, we all know that these concerns are being addressed (with perhaps superior solutions), so his suggestion that Linux would be a poor choice in such a situation is unfounded. Hopefully he and his editor are figuring that out by now based on all the very credible "talkbacks" submitted. (Perhaps they're just counting the hits their web site is receiving because of it. :) Overall, I think the software industry could be on the verge of some *very* big changes if freely available software successfully makes it out of it's "adolescence". Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Release names??
Ben Pfaff wrote: > >Please excues the question, but as a matter of interest, where are the >names for the Debian releases derived? i.e. bo, hamm etc?? > > Characters from _Toy Story_ by Pixar. > Does this mean there is going to be a "Mr Potato Head" release? :) Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit-->Fired for Linux?
George Bonser wrote: > > Agreed, cancel all subscriptions to ZD magazines. Badmouthing Linux > could be a career limiting move for an editor. > Well, if Linux is ever going to establish itself as more than a "hobbie OS", it (the Linux community and the free software community in general) needs to be able to gracefully withstand a lot more heat than that article dishes out. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Renaming a directory..
Bruno Simoes wrote: > > Hi all > Does somebody know if there's some command to *rename* either a file or > directory in Linux. I don't want to move them to another files/dirs. > Thank you > Bruno (Hmmm, I smell DOS.) The command: mv old new won't do what you want? (Make sure "new" doesn't already exist.) If you keep in mind that directories *are* files (just special ones containing the name of its files and sub dirs) renaming and moving become the same thing (for either files or directories) and the mv command will probably do what you expect. HTH, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Viewing bootup message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into > linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it > rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I > can re-direct it to a file for perusal? > Thanks, > Chris > You are looking for the command: dmesg Pipe it through your favoriate pager: dmesg | more dmesg | less etc. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X-win more effiecient than Win95?
Tim Thomson wrote: > > A friend of mine asked me if X-win was more efficient than Win95 on the > same system? > > I said it would probably be better for somethings, and maybe slower than > others, but I wasn't sure - so I though to ask you people. > > Anyone done any benchmarks??? > This is not a benchmark by any means but, on my 486/33 with 32M of RAM, when booted to Linux (or FreeBSD for that matter) I find X to be more responsive than Win95 with it's windowing system. By "more responsive" I mean that I find myself less distracted by the speed at which I can move, resize and open windows and better able to concentrate on the task at hand. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Thanks -- Was: Grey Screen After Starting XF86
Krio wrote: > > I got Linux of the Boot magazine CD and since I had read about it here and > there I decided to try it. It looks great but it takes a while to get the Might you (or others on the list) tell me where you heard/read about the Boot Magazine CD/Article? I'd like to see what kind of response it generated... Thanks, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: free software
Tim Sailer wrote: > I was wondering if there was any software out there that would do > the job of the microsoft ils servers that netmeeting use. We have > a very small group that wants to set up a semi-private network > and use netmeeting for documentation purposes.. > Severs? We don't need no stinkin' servers! Use multicast! Seriously though, I'm not terribly familiar with all the functionality of netmeeting but at my first glance, it appeared to have taken quite a few hints from the MBone tools that Van Jacobson's group at LBL has been working on. You may want to take a look at: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/ We used their vic (video conference), vat (audio conference), wb (whiteboard), and sdr (session directory) quite extensively (when I was at LBL). Sharing applications though, I'm not sure about. wb can be used for static images and text but I haven't seen much enabling a group to collaborate on a spreadsheet or word processor document. But one never knows... I haven't been keeping up on the latest mbone developments. A good collection of pointers on all things MBone can also be found at: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/#reflinks Luck! Keith ps - I'd be curious to know what you do decide to go with, if you could drop me a note... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mrouted?
Lawrence wrote: > what is mrouted? where to get it? > mrouted (multicast router daemon) is the daemon you run to enable your machine to be a part of the MBONE. It forwards IP multicast packets via a unicast "tunnel" past non-IP-Multicast-aware routers to another machine running mrouted or a router that can handle IP Multicast packets. The existance of the MBONE is rather ingenious: since most Internet routers can't handle IP multicast yet, the MBONE (Multicast backBONE) started out as a small (but now large) collection machines running mrouted and the unicast tunnels between them. As IP multicast becomes more common in routers, the MBONE will melt into the Internet as running mrouted will become unnecessary. I believe a similar approach will be taken for IPv6 and so on. Where you get it depends on the platform, I didn't look but there might be Debian package for it. There is a good collection of references at: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone#reflinks HTH, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DISK DEFRAGMENTER - PARTITIONS :-((
Zouave wrote: > > | To install Linux Debian 1.3.1 on my system (now running windows 95) I > have > | to do 2 things: > | 1) FORMAT my HDD and create 2 partitions, one for W95, one for Linux > | 2) Split my actual partition, without erasing anything, with the > | application FIPS.EXE > | > | I prefer the 2nd one because I CANNOT format my drive. Surely you can, you'd just rather not, correct? At the very least be prepared to re-format and re-install; as in, have everything which is irreplaceable, backed up! (There are those who re-install Win95 on a regular basis in the name of OS maintenance!) > | But to split my partition I need to do a DEFRAG of my HDD. There are > | HIDDEN-SYSTEM*-READ_ONLY files at the end of the drive, so Windows' > Defrag > | can't move this files to the begining. > | > | --Do you have any DEFRAGMENTER or utility to know WHICH is the file that > is > | annoying me at the end of the HDD, or to move it? First make sure you have "rebooted" Win95 to DOS mode to run the defrag. I seem to remember seeing something about the Win95 having unmovable lying around otherwise. The strategy that the FIPS documentation mentions (which can be found at http://www.student.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~schaefer/fips.html) is to try to figure out who (which app) has placed the hidden file there and see if you can get that app to remove it or at least not need it while you do the defrag. How this is accomplished, depends on the offending app, but the likely suspects are (I'm reading from the doc here): the Windows swapfile, and files created by using DOS' IMAGE or MIRROR program. Either way, taking a look at the name of the file with the help of the DOS attrib command might help you figure out how to proceed. > If not, any other > | solution than formatting the drive? There are commercial programs that might help, Norton utils and Partition Magic come to mind, though I've no experience in using them. Hope this help and good luck! Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Auto Responder
Be very carefull when using auto-responders when you have subscribed to a mailing list. Consider the following senerio: * A subscriber to a mailing list (call him Bill) sets up an auto-responder for his email and leaves for holiday. * The list Bill subscribes to sends out an email. * Bill's auto-responder replys to the list. * The list sends Bill's reply to all subscribers, including Bill. * Bill's auto-responder reply's *again* to the list. etc. The ensuing infinite loop of email messages has been know to bring down portions of the Internet (especially if Bill subscribes to more that one list or more than one person sets up such an auto-responder). Most mailing list administrators are aware of this and make their list's "from" and "to" addresses distinct to avaoid this problem, but I'd still check before setting up an auto-responder. I personally don't use auto-responders but I'd hope such a program would be smart enough to only send an automatic reply to the same address at most once. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Where's my mouse?
Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > > Right. And, make sure you use a kernel that has PS/2 mouse support > compiled in. Preferably, you would not compile it as a module. > Great. I'll give that a try tonight. Thanks all, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Where's my mouse?
Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > > What kind of mouse do you have? (What brand? What does is the adapter > shaped like, etc?) > Sorry, should have included those details... It's a two-button Logitech. (It has MicroSoft printed on it but I think that's just for marketing.) It's got a small round adaptor that plugs into the back of the tower. I assume this all means it's a serial device on the bus, right? Thanks, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Where's my mouse?
Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse? > > Did you try different drivers? There are some different mouse protocols > out in the pampa. E.g some LogiTech mice need "logitech", but the > TrackMan needs 'mman'. > Yea, I did. The mouse says, both Microsoft and Logitech on it (!) so I tried a whole bunch of combinations. Given though, say three possible drivers and 4 (or maybe 20) possible devices, I'm kind of overwhelmed with resultant choices. Thanks, tho Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Where's my mouse?
Hi all, I'm doing a vanilla install of Debian 1.3.1 and I'm having trouble configuring my mouse. The problem (I believe) first comes in the Install phase of dselect when gpm is being installed The gpm install uses /dev/ttyS0 as the default device for my mouse. I've tried taking stabs at all four ttyS? but no luck. What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse? Thanks, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Article on Linux and non-official dist.
Hi all, I'm in the process of writing an article about installing Linux (using Debian) and hope to have a compatible mini Debian distribution on the CD that comes with the magazine. I've looked, but can't seem to find info on the policy and details on creating non-official distributions. This isn't a review, it's a how-to article. I'm hoping that this will give Linux, Debain and the concept a freely available software some good exposure, so I'd appreciate any help on getting this to go smoothly. (It's my first article and plan to make a donation to the cause afterwards once they pay me.) Thanks, Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 1.1 X setup default: bs/del don't work with motif apps.
Yves Arrouye wrote: > > The subject says it: none of these keys work with Motif apps on a > fresh installation. I'm sure some xmodmap commands (though I'm not > sure which ones, if you can help) would do the trick, but I wonder > what neither of them is usable by default? > If this is indeed just an xmodmap fix... XKeyCaps is a wonderfull X app that will generate those ugly xmodmap commands for you a-la Macintosh. Take a look at: http://home.netscape.com/people/jwz/xkeycaps/index.html I don't think there is a .deb package for it but it compiled "out of the box" for me. (Yup, it was written by one of the netscape developers. Check out netscape's "N" icon after hitting his page. Now think about what else might be slipped into that ever-so-prevelant "client". :) :) -- // Keith Beattie Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL) \\ // SFSU Grad Student Imaging and Distributed Computing Group (ITG) \\ // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www-itg.lbl.gov/~beattie \\ // 1 Cyclotron Rd. MS: 50B-2239 Berkeley, CA 94720 (510) 486-6692 \\
Re: Rawrite on Win 95 & NT
Bruce Perens wrote: > > rawrite2 works fine on my wife's Windows 95 system. Perhaps it's a flaw > in my documentation. Did you uncompress the 1440_boot_floppy.gz file > using the gzip executable that will be self-extracted from gzip124.exe ? > You must uncompress the boot floppy, but need not uncompress the root floppy > or any of the others. I think I'll make that simpler before the release > happens. > Wow. You're dead right. Good call. I guess beta tests serve additionally to figure out what type of _stupid_ mistakes people might make. Glad I can be of help. :) Now that I think about it, I hid this from myself (in the way that I renamed the file for it's short existance in the dos world) by calling it ``boot'' instead of ``boot.gz'' - failing to remind myself that it needs to be decompressed. Perhaps renaming these files to dos friendly names or creating similar links would help the likes of myself. Thanks, Keith -- // Keith Beattie Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL) \\ // SFSU Grad Student Imaging and Distributed Computing Group (ITG) \\ // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www-itg.lbl.gov/~beattie \\ // 1 Cyclotron Rd. MS: 50B-2239 Berkeley, CA 94720 (510) 486-6692 \\
Rawrite on Win 95 & NT
I've been trying to make a boot disk using rawrite on either a Win 95 or NT machine and can't seem to get it to work. The running of rawrite works just fine (no errors) but when I try to boot with the disk - nothing. No complaining about bad system disk or anything, the machine just hangs. On the Win 95 machine I've tried it in both a DOS shell and after "rebooting to dos mode". It will boot fine when it formats the floppy itself. Any suggestions? (I'm using version 2 of rawrite) Thanks, Keith -- // Keith Beattie Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL) \\ // SFSU Grad Student Imaging and Distributed Computing Group (ITG) \\ // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www-itg.lbl.gov/~beattie \\ // 1 Cyclotron Rd. MS: 50B-2239 Berkeley, CA 94720 (510) 486-6692 \\
